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#### Anastasius

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Bet 1+2+3 etc if u get hit. Remove the repeater and keep going until u lose all 8 bets. Then repeat
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#### Blood Angel

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Yes.
You bet last nr, then 2 last nrs, then 3 last, until 8 nrs, which will cost 36u if failed to hit in 8 spins (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8)
Maths show you'll get on average a hit on or before 8 spins 65% of times.

#### Anastasius

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How many times on average will u get -36 in a row.in a large sample. And does virtual misses help
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#### Gandhi

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That's how Jun plays, vaddis only plays with 8!
Jun knows very well what he does, but he did not realize that there is a better way to do it with 8 and that it gives very good results, both are good forms!
But he can play with the one of vaddis with the form that Jun does, but playing to catch the ones that do not come out and the ones repeated !! in this way it becomes a GREAT HG !!!
100% VADDIS !!!! THE TRUE GRIAL !!
Before verifying vaddis, I had an idea that happened constantly in 8 balls and I found a form that yi designed itself and that this gave amazing results if done correctly!

I hope that all of you who have been there for as many years as me, can find the HG !!! EVERY BET FLAT !!!

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If something always happened in 8 balls wouldn't your graphs not even have dips in it?

#### Gandhi

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wait 4spins then bet those numbers and add each new number til eight, once you reach eight bet those 8 for four spins, after those four spins if no hit recycle the oldest four from your bet with the newest four for another four spins and continue the process til profit?

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wait 4spins then bet those numbers and add each new number til eight, once you reach eight bet those 8 for four spins, after those four spins if no hit recycle the oldest four from your bet with the newest four for another four spins and continue the process til profit?

Hi Gandhi,
i thought exactly the same but it think he just choses 4 number (uniques) and their pair number. Then bet these numbers 8 times. Reset/Retrack on hit or 8 following misses.

#### PassionRuleta

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If something always happened in 8 balls wouldn't your graphs not even have dips in it?
if I do everything consecutive clear that sometimes there will be downs and ups.
that's why the best is the trigger to find the balance.
El equilibrio no es un problema en la ruleta.
Es una ventaja que le da la rueda, porque la rueda ...
temporalmente perderá el equilibrio y luego volverá a balancearse .

#### Bigbroben

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How many times on average will u get -36 in a row.in a large sample. And does virtual misses help

I already had run such a test, I think.  It always comes down to the portion of the portion, or a fractal behaviour, would I say.
So if 65% on the runs are hitting on or before 8, then 35% will not.  For practical reasons let's say 2/3 and 1/3.

So to the question '' how many losses in a row'', the answer is:
2/3 will be one loss in row because after a loss odds are still 2/3 to hit
2/9 will be 2 in row (2/3 of the 1/3 left);
2/27 will be 3 in row (2/3 of the 1/9 left);
2/81 will be 4 in row (2/3 of the 1/27 left);

so on.
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Hi passion I was not expecting. But you giving good thoughts... But I not understand... How 8 or 4 numbers relationship  can be used for future prediction... Any number can  repeat in any spin.. ?

#### PassionRuleta

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Hi passion I was not expecting. But you giving good thoughts... But I not understand... How 8 or 4 numbers relationship  can be used for future prediction... Any number can  repeat in any spin.. ?
You see trying ideas, little by little, you will get new ideas, you try all the ideas and try to make sense of your ideas, if they fail, re-think and read and you will have better ideas, everything is a process, you have to check all the things.
It has to leave a bit of the idea that everyone has already had in the forum, new ideas that can be 12/4, what the pair table has to do, how and what to look at the last balls, everything is based in an imbalance that is formed (unchaining) to enter to play and balance the game ...
El equilibrio no es un problema en la ruleta.
Es una ventaja que le da la rueda, porque la rueda ...
temporalmente perderá el equilibrio y luego volverá a balancearse .

#### Irish88

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So there is this post by Vaddi

To demonstrate how deep my thinking has gone, let me ask this question?

Based on what I've said about balance and connected numbers (based on the pairs table) ...

How could you use already landed numbers to 'predict' numbers that are likely to land next?

Now, that is the kind of mad-scientist question that leads to the grail.

No, you can't precisely predict which number will land next, but there's a way to get as close as you possibly can.

Please don't try to answer this question. I'm just throwing it out there. But it has do with observing how numbers connect to each other after every 4 spins, based on the pairs table.

I have also been reading about the pigeon hole idea. So what happenes in 4 spins if there is no zero. A dozen has repeated. It is said a dozen will appear five times in 13 spins. Maybe after 4 spins, and a dozen has repeated this is where you start. You take the two hit numbers and add their pair number. You bet up to 4 pairs within that dozen. 12/4=3

Based on averages. 24 hits, 12 doubles, 13 unhits. That comes out to 8 hits per dozen and 4 unhits per dozen.

24/8 maybe you are working within 2 dozens.

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Hi passion I was not expecting. But you giving good thoughts... But I not understand... How 8 or 4 numbers relationship  can be used for future prediction... Any number can  repeat in any spin.. ?

Exactly. Past patterns are useless for predicting future ones on their own. Particularly useless are patterns of blacks and red, or dozens, or patterns based on numerical facts of the numbers eg 10 follows 9 or 5,15,25, and 35 pockets are somehow connected. Since the numbers are just tags for pockets, trying to explain their arithmetical significance is crazy.

Unless you can identify a valid physical reason why certain numbers are hit, then your prediction is doomed to fail long term.  Certain numbers ocurring together or more frequently is almost always to do with sectors on the wheel being hit

eg 15,19,4,21,2,25,17 cw ball and 26,3,35,12,28,7,28 acw ball

There are valid physical reasons why this should sometimes occur.  By all means try to jump on these patterns, but try to understand why this is happening, based on rotor speed, drop off points and scatter.

Otherwise when the pattern shifts you will not have a clue why, or where to go next, if you are not looking at the wheel and realising what is changing.

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Hi folks
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I have been working on this idea-a twist on the one to
eight stepped sequence at the beginning of Vaddi system

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-----*Last Decision Sector Stepped Sequence System*-----

Procedure: Note the newest spin-value.  Bet
that number and two neighbors on either side once.

If that bet misses bet the newest spin-value with two
neighbors on each side-and the decision before last outcome.

If win end session.  Otherwise bet the newest spin-value with two neighbors
on either side stepped sequence.  Stop on a win or after nine numbers miss.

Example:  #3 (newest spin-value) European Wheel

Bet 12,35,3,26,0 once:               1.) 14(x)-5

Bet 1,20,14,31,9,3 once:            2.) 18(x)-6

Bet 9,22,18,29,7,14,3 once:       3.) 16(x)-7

Bet 5,24,16,33,1,18,14,3 once....
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Bankroll requirement: 35 units per session

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You could then continue with the five-number
last decision sector and the newest four outcomes.

Bet 14,31,9,22,28,14,30,5,3:    1.) 15(x)-9

Bet  0,32,15,19,4,9,14,30,5:     2.) 33(x)-9

Bet 20,1,33,16,24,15,9,14,30....

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One small tweak:

Bankroll suggestion: 31 units

Procedure: Note the newest spin-value.  Bet
that number and two neighbors on either side once.

Continue to bet that sector and each
new spin-value in a stepped progression.

Stop on a win or after nine numbers miss.