P.A :PREACHING about HG!

[Steve]

The real benefit of PA posts is learning what doesn't work, and why. And that there's a new HG every week, that fails like the others. But not everyone recognized that what he preached was typical gambler's fallacy. I mean anyone can test the principles and seen they don't work.

[Turner]

Steve....surely roulette computers fail in their pediction often too. Neighbour bets must be the way due to betting close to NMB and in UK you have to have £5 min bet per number and 5 no. Min
In other words when I call 15 and neighbours I have to throw £25 at the racetrack.

[denzie]

Hey P.A. ,

If it's in fact your last reply here ,
Thx for everything , thx for keep your cool between the haters and thx for I could make my own system. If it's a HG I don't know...but so far it's going great. If it would fail later...well I'll stop when I lost half my profit. But that would take me a serious long time ^^
All the best...

[6th-sense]

well that was an interesting thread...i already worked out you would have broke down the ratio or avoidance into smaller segments..i did have nick do a 25 spin test...and 50 spin..test or rather sheets for me well before you posted it here...i thought that was the answer...but wasn,t on the system i used but showed some interesting stuff and a new way of ratio betting to me...all the best PA...been great having you here and made a change from the usual...

[Steve]

surely roulette computers fail in their depiction often too. Neighbor bets must be the way due to betting close to NMB and in UK you have to have £5 min bet per number and 5 no. Min
In other words when I call 15 and neighbors I have to throw £25 at the racetrack.

If they are made and applied correctly, the edge can be +120% and even above. The house edge is a small -2.7%. It'd be hard to lose with an edge like that.

If by saying 15 numbers you are referring to my public demo video, I could have easily bet 1 - 3 or so numbers, and the edge would have been even higher than 120%. But the "profit per hour" would have been less. For example, if you bet 15 numbers, then you could make $1000 in a couple of spins. But if you just bet on one number, it may take 30 spins to profit $1000. So betting more numbers gets you out of the casino quicker. You dont need to bet so many numbers, but the more professional teams use 2-3 betting players and bet large for a few spins, then leave. That way it looks more like luck to the casino, and the team can easily come back another time.
As for PA, the "haters" were not "hating" him. PA didnt have anything. There was good reason for people to be critical of him. He was posting complete nonsense which was obvious to anyone with experience. He's another CEH, John Legend etc. All hype and nothing at the end. His sermons were misleading and plain incorrect nonsense. I've explained all the details, but it appears not everyone understood. What he was saying was classic gambler's fallacy. Anyway no matter what evidence is revealed, it is often still not understood. Simply anyone who does proper testing will find out for themselves. But it is also important to understand why the approach doesn't work, so you dont just try the same thing repackaged a different way.

[ddarko]

If they are made and applied correctly, the edge can be +120% and even above. The house edge is a small -2.7%. It'd be hard to lose with an edge like that.

I've ALWAYS been interested in this, how on earth do you calculate that edge pls ?

What the maths you use pls ?

I've got a mate who's a maths teacher, I may well run this past him.....

[Steve]

There are 37 numbers on European wheel. If you bet 1 number, the payout is 35 to 1 which means you get 35 chips PLUS your original bet.

So on average, after 37 spins you are left with 36 chips. You are 1 chip down. So edge is:

-1/37 = -0.27%

Or use attached excel chart.

[ddarko]

There are 37 numbers on European wheel. If you bet 1 number, the payout is 35 to 1 which means you get 35 chips PLUS your original bet.

So on average, after 37 spins you are left with 36 chips. You are 1 chip down. So edge is:

-1/37 = -0.27%

Or use attached excel chart.

Okay thxs, I'm with that.....

What was the sum that got your computer to +120% pls ?

AS in how many spins did you test to come up to that +120% conclusion pls ?

[Steve]

In my demos I usually do about 60 spins to generate data on the jump charts (these show how far the ball is bouncing from the un-tuned prediction), then I show the charts to attendees. Then I do a further 60 spins to show the peaks are in the same place (total 120 spins for main part of demo). The purpose of this is to do two independent trials with the same result, to prove it wasn't luck.

The attached image is the chart I show to the camera after passing the phone around to people. Sorry it's blurry, I lost the original recording and only have a lower quality recording, but you can still see the obvious "high bars". The demo was around 120 spins in total and the calculations are attached.

With computers you can calculate the edge with relatively few spins because you can do the two groups of 60 spins, and see the edge and peak location between each set is much the same.

The most relevant part of the demo is at link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?t=1857&v=PUqjvSvEnX8
No I didnt use paid actors or magnets, like some people have said.
MAnyone can see demos in person but again now my partner does them, except for the hybrid version.

[Steve]

PA is now banned for editing my post.  He added rubbish saying i was needing to sell because im in need of money. PA, face it,  the rubbish you peddled didn't work, you knew you were lying to people,  and you wanted attentiion. Grow up.

[martinnng]

That stupid idiot PA didnt have anything.

Is really necessary to use words like this again and again? Is it something what should make your arguments stronger? I think that this way of presentation highly demean your credit and also your way of play.

I'm not PA's advocate, I still didn't play your method, but I think, he has quite a lot readers, he suggested repeatedly that he doesn't want any money from anyone here. He presented his opinion and attitude to the game. That was all how I feel it. I think a forum is for free decent and polite presentations of any attitudes related to subject matter.
And btw, we don't know if PA has anything or doesn't. Things are not so easy.

[Steve]

martin, i didnt say that. PA edited my post trying to discredit me. Any post creator can edit posts in their thread. Im sure he edited more.

Yes he had followers, and so did CEH, another person who deliberately misled people for ego, attention, and other selfish reasons. Many people defended CEH and we now all know what he is. I even discussed it with him, and he said he had nothing but just liked making people think. And there have been many others like this who claim to have the HG, for amusement. Why do you think he said in his first post that his preaching will drag on? He wanted devoted followers. There are many clues, and people need to not be so naive.

I received many requests from members to ban PA. And as i said, i didnt want to ban him because it would benefit members more if he was allowed to rant, then people can learn for themselves.

All i did refute his nonsense. anyone who understood my points would have seen PA for what he was. Anyway its over now. He will probably come back with a fake name. People like him usually do. He wont be the last person like him. Wait a week and see.

[RouletteGhost]

martin, i didnt say that. PA edited my post trying to discredit me. Any post creator can edit posts in their thread. Im sure he edited more.

Yes he had followers, and so did CEH, another person who deliberately misled people for ego, attention, and other selfish reasons. Many people defended CEH and we now all know what he is. I even discussed it with him, and he said he had nothing but just liked making people think. And there have been many others like this who claim to have the HG, for amusement. Why do you think he said in his first post that his preaching will drag on? He wanted devoted followers. There are many clues, and people need to not be so naive.

I received many requests from members to ban PA. And as i said, i didnt want to ban him because it would benefit members more if he was allowed to rant, then people can learn for themselves.

All i did refute his nonsense. anyone who understood my points would have seen PA for what he was. Anyway its over now. He will probably come back with a fake name. People like him usually do. He wont be the last person like him. Wait a week and see.

The fact he edited your post to say that is all i need to know about him

Side note: i suspect the law to be trotting in on his high horse any minute now 

[Steve]

He edited about 8 different posts. Very immature edits; the kind a teenager would do. Thread locked now.