playing the last 18 numbers with laBouchere

[huskerdu]

With LaBouchere system we have a total win with the half of our bets winning.
So, what if we bet always the last 18 numbers using LaBouchere ?
I think even if it'st possible that new numbers will appear more times than the last numbers, it happens for a short time, and finally it will always appear a winning series to reach a positive outcome in the end?

[RouletteGhost]

If you have the bankroll to endure losing streaks and you are willing to sit through it

Do what i would do

Test it on 185 smart live numbers from past spins on this forum

And same on zumma

See how it does

See you lowest drawdown and how fast it recovers

Everything appeals to everyone differently so see how it performs

[thelaw]

With LaBouchere system we have a total win with the half of our bets winning.
So, what if we bet always the last 18 numbers using LaBouchere ?
I think even if it'st possible that new numbers will appear more times than the last numbers, it happens for a short time, and finally it will always appear a winning series to reach a positive outcome in the end?

The Labouchere system loses due to the variance.

So it's not necessarily the large number of losses in a row that will kill it, but something like WLLLLWLLLWLLLL..............by the end, it's just a Martingale.

[huskerdu]

Thanks.
With your chart you provided,  here is the below wins - loses (we start betting after we have the first 18 unique numbers to appear) :

LLWWLLWLWLLLLLLWWLWLLWLLLLLWWLWWLWLWWLLWWWLLLWWLLLLLWWWLWLLWLLWLLLLWWWLWWLLWWWWWLWWLLLLLLLLWLWLWLLLLWLLWWWWLWLWLWWWLWLLLLLWLLLWLLWWLWLLLWWLWLLLWWWLLLWWL

What can we see:
1st note:
We have 69 wins and 91 loses. So with labouchere we win. Of course during the series we have many wins with labouchere. We can end the game whenever we are in a positive outcome, which is several times. 

to help you I divided the above W-L into chunks where in every chunk we complete the Laboucere line with win and start over again. We play labouchere starting with a stake of just 1 number (e.g bet 1, lose and the line is 1-1, bet 1+1=2 lose and the line is 1-2-3, bet 1+3 lose and the line is 1-2-3-4, bet 1+4=5, win, bet 2+3 win and over)

LLW
W
LLWLW
LLLLLLWWLWLLWLLLLLWWLWW (max unit bet:41)
LW
LW
W
LLWW
W
LLLWW
LLLLLWWW
LW
LLWLLWLLLLWWW
LW
W
LLWW
W
W
W
LW
W
LLLLLLLLWLWLWLLLLWLLWWWW  (max bet: 16)
LW
LW
LW
W
W
LW
LLLLLWLLLWLLWWLWLLLWWLW
LLLWW
W
LLLWW
L

We have overall 32 wins , 32 units won (and a lose in the end 1 unit ), max bet o complete the Laboucere line s 41, and the next max was 16 starting with 1 unit.

Second note:
We see that we have more loses than wins.
So, a question to the people: Is this a sign that playing the oposite numbers of the last 18 is better than playing the last 18 numbers? Or it just happened? Maybe on another set of numbers wins will be more than loses?

[RouletteGhost]

Thanks.
With your chart you provided,  here is the below wins - loses (we start betting after we have the first 18 unique numbers to appear) :

LLWWLLWLWLLLLLLWWLWLLWLLLLLWWLWWLWLWWLLWWWLLLWWLLLLLWWWLWLLWLLWLLLLWWWLWWLLWWWWWLWWLLLLLLLLWLWLWLLLLWLLWWWWLWLWLWWWLWLLLLLWLLLWLLWWLWLLLWWLWLLLWWWLLLWWL

What can we see:
1st note:
We have 69 wins and 91 loses. So with labouchere we win. Of course during the series we have many wins with labouchere. We can end the game whenever we are in a positive outcome, which is several times. 

to help you I divided the above W-L into chunks where in every chunk we complete the Laboucere line with win and start over again. We play labouchere starting with a stake of just 1 number (e.g bet 1, lose and the line is 1-1, bet 1+1=2 lose and the line is 1-2-3, bet 1+3 lose and the line is 1-2-3-4, bet 1+4=5, win, bet 2+3 win and over)

LLW
W
LLWLW
LLLLLLWWLWLLWLLLLLWWLWW (max unit bet:41)
LW
LW
W
LLWW
W
LLLWW
LLLLLWWW
LW
LLWLLWLLLLWWW
LW
W
LLWW
W
W
W
LW
W
LLLLLLLLWLWLWLLLLWLLWWWW  (max bet: 16)
LW
LW
LW
W
W
LW
LLLLLWLLLWLLWWLWLLLWWLW
LLLWW
W
LLLWW
L

We have overall 32 wins , 32 units won (and a lose in the end 1 unit ), max bet o complete the Laboucere line s 41, and the next max was 16 starting with 1 unit.

Second note:
We see that we have more loses than wins.
So, a question to the people: Is this a sign that playing the oposite numbers of the last 18 is better than playing the last 18 numbers? Or it just happened? Maybe on another set of numbers wins will be more than loses?

Thanks for thr idea. And the other thread informative as well

Good work

[thelaw]

Thanks.
With your chart you provided,  here is the below wins - loses (we start betting after we have the first 18 unique numbers to appear) :

LLWWLLWLWLLLLLLWWLWLLWLLLLLWWLWWLWLWWLLWWWLLLWWLLLLLWWWLWLLWLLWLLLLWWWLWWLLWWWWWLWWLLLLLLLLWLWLWLLLLWLLWWWWLWLWLWWWLWLLLLLWLLLWLLWWLWLLLWWLWLLLWWWLLLWWL

What can we see:
1st note:
We have 69 wins and 91 loses. So with labouchere we win. Of course during the series we have many wins with labouchere. We can end the game whenever we are in a positive outcome, which is several times. 

to help you I divided the above W-L into chunks where in every chunk we complete the Laboucere line with win and start over again. We play labouchere starting with a stake of just 1 number (e.g bet 1, lose and the line is 1-1, bet 1+1=2 lose and the line is 1-2-3, bet 1+3 lose and the line is 1-2-3-4, bet 1+4=5, win, bet 2+3 win and over)

LLW
W
LLWLW
LLLLLLWWLWLLWLLLLLWWLWW (max unit bet:41)
LW
LW
W
LLWW
W
LLLWW
LLLLLWWW
LW
LLWLLWLLLLWWW
LW
W
LLWW
W
W
W
LW
W
LLLLLLLLWLWLWLLLLWLLWWWW  (max bet: 16)
LW
LW
LW
W
W
LW
LLLLLWLLLWLLWWLWLLLWWLW
LLLWW
W
LLLWW
L

We have overall 32 wins , 32 units won (and a lose in the end 1 unit ), max bet o complete the Laboucere line s 41, and the next max was 16 starting with 1 unit.

Second note:
We see that we have more loses than wins.
So, a question to the people: Is this a sign that playing the oposite numbers of the last 18 is better than playing the last 18 numbers? Or it just happened? Maybe on another set of numbers wins will be more than loses?

First off, this is a ticking time-bomb..........just the wrong # of W to L in a short duration, and it destroys your bankroll.

Second, you can test the success of any ec with a 25% win rate (75% losses)over 200 spins, as this is the absolute worst result that you can expect.

I would suggest searching GLC's posts for a better progression.

[wiggy]

It's not the progression you need to be working on. You will be just running around in circles doing that. It's the timing of when you are going to play 'same' or 'opposite' that is the key just as it always was and always will be.

[huskerdu]

A betting compines 2 things: what to bet (bet selection) and the money management.
This kind of betting (beting the last 18 unique numbers) isn't like most EC bettings. You will often see  23 blacks in a row. But you will not see 23 new numbers in a row. That's why with this bet selection I chose labouchere as money management. 

[thelaw]

A betting compines 2 things: what to bet (bet selection) and the money management.
This kind of betting (beting the last 18 unique numbers) isn't like most EC bettings. You will often see  23 blacks in a row. But you will not see 23 new numbers in a row. That's why with this bet selection I chose labouchere as money management.

Hey Husker,

This is an interesting idea, but keep in mind, it's been tried many times before.

My suggestion is to outsource the mm side of this by providing a chart comparing say 200 spins; each column the results of an ec bet and then a fourth column for the 18 unique to compare the actual difference in results.

Then you can post them here, and ask for suggestions for an actual progression to use.

Keep in mind, that for ec betting, you're going to need to use a conservative progression with solid mm to keep your bankroll. The Labouchere is a highly volatile progression that can kill a bankroll fast!

If you can show the difference between the unique numbers, and other ec, then you'll have a great starting point for a solid method!

[huskerdu]

'thelaw' I agree with you that labouchere can kill bankroll. It's not a martingale of course but it's not also a conservative progression to make us feel safe. I've faced destruction many times with labouchere, beting on the usual EC bet selections.

But since I started testing the betting of the last 18 numbers I haven't faced so far such ''bloodbath'' situations like other times with the usual EC bettings.

What triggered me to decide to use labouchere, was the ''Law of the Third''. Thats why I said to my previous post was that, we can face a stake of 23 BLACKS but not a stake of 23 numbers that are different to the last 18 unique numbers.

Anyway,  my favorite EC bet selection is a GLC's progression:
1111111
2222222
3333333
4444444
5555555
...........
but some times it never ends and I continue with a big stake of labouchere until my bankroll is blown out

[thelaw]

'thelaw' I agree with you that labouchere can kill bankroll. It's not a martingale of course but it's not also a conservative progression to make us feel safe. I've faced destruction many times with labouchere, beting on the usual EC bet selections.

But since I started testing the betting of the last 18 numbers I haven't faced so far such ''bloodbath'' situations like other times with the usual EC bettings.

What triggered me to decide to use labouchere, was the ''Law of the Third''. Thats why I said to my previous post was that, we can face a stake of 23 BLACKS but not a stake of 23 numbers that are different to the last 18 unique numbers.

Anyway,  my favorite EC bet selection is a GLC's progression:
1111111
2222222
3333333
4444444
5555555
...........
but some times it never ends and I continue with a big stake of labouchere until my bankroll is blown out

I agree........the grinder progressions can be tough, so it depends how you handle your mm.

If your bankroll can handle multiple big losses, then the Labouchere would be the more efficient, but if you need to grind out a win long-term, then the more conservative approach is necessary.

I've tested the Labouchere (up to 65 lines) on several other threads with ec bets, but found that it eventually failed.

Since we have no evidence of anyone winning long-term without using advantage play, if a conservative bet wins with less risk, then why not play Roulette as a business.........slow and steady wins the race!

Looking forward to hearing more about your results with this method!