new method

[RouletteMaster]

Are you serious? I thought this thread was a joke but now I'm not sure.

If you're not joking, go to this site: link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=101&L=0

These spins are realtime. Try it with your method and report the result.

Celesclif- whatever it is, but to me it's not a joke. if it is I will put it in offtopic and not main board and not waste  everyone's time. as I said it is very hard for anyone to test unless they do it themselves on the time element. even if I post something how can anyone seeing that can sure that am telling the truth. futile exercise. However am always ready to test this against some spins from date if someone can point to the dates they want to see the test on.

[RouletteMaster]

@drazen - it's upto you.  all am saying is there is no way you can test it out until u go to the casino and try it yourself. why put money, just do it on paper if you really wish to test. if it interests you i have nothing more to offer on the way to test it. Sorry!!

regarding the question that you have asked again - unless it is proven that there is no relation there is always a possibility of relation. can u prove there is no relation? if you understand what is - small causes can cause large effects and time as a dimension for cause cannot be ignored - then you will get your answer. i like to keep things simple and hence let's leave it at what i said in the start that you can play this method based on date or time and time works better

[Turner]

Clocks arnt time though. They are an attempt to measure it. We cant see time...only the effect of it on the 3D we live in. Mainly entropy
Roulette wheels demonstrate entropy over many spins.

[RouletteMaster]

Clocks arnt time though. They are an attempt to measure it. We cant see time...only the effect of it on the 3D we live in. Mainly entropy
Roulette wheels demonstrate entropy over many spins.

Amen. The thing am questioning is the definition of entropy and the subject of many spins. is entropy really a measure of randomness and will the wheel exhibit it only over many spins? Is the equation for entropy really right and should one progress towards something more than absolute entropy.  How can this be translated to the roulette wheel.  Steve already has the partial answer. But is there a different dimension missing.

going a bit off-topic. However I welcome Celtic suggestion. Am going to pick up the spins in KTF thread and post results on how this fares.  But turner very interesting discussion and am glad I could discuss with someone.

[Turner]

Amen. The thing am questioning is the definition of entropy and the subject of many spins. is entropy really a measure of randomness and will the wheel exhibit it only over many spins? Is the equation for entropy really right and should one progress towards something more than absolute entropy.  How can this be translated to the roulette wheel.  Steve already has the partial answer. But is there a different dimension missing.

going a bit off-topic. However I welcome Celtic suggestion. Am going to pick up the spins in KTF thread and post results on how this fares.  But turner very interesting discussion and am glad I could discuss with someone.

Well its your teapot Mr Russell....the burden of proof is firmly in your hands.

Entropy is a measure of how much energy there is to do work according to 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.
I think random numbers are rather like the clock. Its a representation.

The clock fools us into thinking we see time.
Probably random numbers fool us too into seeing spread and dispersal and dissipation. I havnt though about that too much

We digress.

[RouletteGhost]

You are doing it all wrong

You are supposed to count the number of people from 12 o clock to 3 o clock while looking straight ahead

If even number of people bet even
If odd number of people bet odd

The 2nd and equally effectice way is to ask the dealer his birth date. If an 1st thru the 18th bet low.  Of 18th thru 31st bet high

[RouletteMaster]

Nice one RG.  many people are still seeing it as a joke. which is nice  .  Partly my fault as I didn't explain how to play this properly. now the thing is i will start testing using spins in KTF thread and will do 2-3 sets a day to see where we land. Generally I hate testing as it doesn't prove anything really.  however before testing I want to clearly lay out the rules so that there is no confusion. Following are the rules.

Bank is 60 units. One unit is £50 or two black chips. So total bank £3000. Every day game ends when we lose 20 units or when we win 10 units or we have played for 70-80 spins. Why 70-80 and not one fixed number.  When we reach 70 spins of we are in positive we stop for the day. If in negative we play upto 80 spins and stop at any time positive or stop at 80 spins. 

Two step play

First step is on even chance.  If today's date is low numbers we play low else high. If win on low or high numbers then play one unit each on the two lines in that even chance that doesn't belong to the number that just landed. win or lose go back to even chance that we were playing with one unit. We keep on doing this either for +10 units or for -5 units or for the 70-80 spin rule. 

If we get -5 units then we start playing the line that belongs to today's date. If at any point in time we get a hit we assess the situation.  If it is greater than -5 units then we go back to even chances.  If it less than -5 units then we play two units in two splits covering the street that did not hit and one in the stree that got hit in the clockwise direction. We do that for 5 spins without q hit. If hit them we assess and if less than -5 continue. Greater than -5 go to even chances. 

That's it and those are the rules.

Overall on the bankroll itself we will be playing a 212345 progression.  I will be starting from the first set in KTF thread on 29tg Jan.  We will see where it takes us. 

[RouletteMaster]

it was an easy first day. first set of spins on 29.1.16 from jackpotjoy. as the date is 29th we play high numbers and when playing lines we play line 25-30.

it only took 6 spins to reach the target and it is not going to be such plain sailing every day.

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spin # Unit Total
1 9 -1 -1
2 24 1 0
3 35 4 4
4 22 1 5
5 26 4 9
6 21 1 10
7 10
8 29
9 8
10 31


so based on our bankroll rules, we are closing day 1 on £3,500 which is a £500 profit.

[tuddilue]

it was an easy first day. first set of spins on 29.1.16 from jackpotjoy. as the date is 29th we play high numbers and when playing lines we play line 25-30.

it only took 6 spins to reach the target and it is not going to be such plain sailing every day.

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spin # Unit Total
1 9 -1 -1
2 24 1 0
3 35 4 4
4 22 1 5
5 26 4 9
6 21 1 10
7 10
8 29
9 8
10 31


so based on our bankroll rules, we are closing day 1 on £3,500 which is a £500 profit.

Always good with a good start!
Will be interesting to see you testing.

A small thing I wonder about is your progression?
Shouldn't you be using the progression 212345? In that case the numbers should be:

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spin # Unit Total
1 9 2 -2
2 24 1 -1
3 35 2 3
4 22 2 7
5 26 2 11
6 21 2 14
7 10
8 29
9 8
10 31

Or am I missing something?

[RouletteGhost]

So hard to tell if someone is joking or being manipulative online.

Given the time you put in to explain and test i think you are serious

If you are indeed making money and not losing, good on you.

[Drazen]

Bets with different odds.

Each bet is made at discrete time.

There seems to be an algorithm or pattern present, which is used to decide which game to be played at each time.

This seems to me like a sketch for the famous  trick of Juan Manuel Rodríguez.

So the clock and the calendar are just attractive assistants in the performance, arent they?

Drazen

[RouletteMaster]

A small thing I wonder about is your progression?
Shouldn't you be using the progression 212345?

Indeed! The progression is onlly on the bankroll. Not on every day every spin play. I have added some more info to make every day progression clear, hopefully this clarifies the qeustion on the progression used.

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spin # units total What is happening?
1 12 -1 -1 date is 30th so bet high
2 34 1 0 bet high
3 10 -2 -2 bet lines 19-24&25-30
4 7 -1 -3 bet high
5 12 -1 -4 bet high
6 12 -1 -5 bet high. As we have reached -5 now we go for lines.
7 29 5 0 bet line 25-30. As we have reached greater than -5 we switch back to even chances.
8 14 -1 -1 bet high
9 6 -1 -2 bet high
10 21 1 -1 bet high
11 24 -2 -3 bet lines 25-30 & 31-36
12 27 1 -2 bet high
13 10 -2 -4 bet lines 19-22 & 31-36
14 30 1 -3 bet high
15 1 -2 -5 bet lines 19-22 & 31-36. less than -5 so to lines.
16 15 -1 -6 bet line 25-30
17 1 -1 -7 bet line 25-30
18 18 -1 -8 bet line 25-30
19 20 -1 -9 bet line 25-30
20 4 -1 -10 bet line 25-30
21 21 -1 -11 bet line 25-30
22 29 5 -6 bet line 25-30. still less than -5 so to splits for 5 more spins.
23 29 16 10 2 splits from 29 in clock wise direction. 29-28 and 25-26


hope this clarifies things on everyday progression.
After today's win of +10 the bankroll is going from day 1 roll of £3000 to £4000 now.

Going into 31.01.2016.

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spin # units total
1 35 1 1
2 29 4 5
3 32 1 6
4 1 -2 4
5 19 1 5
6 18 -2 3
7 3 -1 2
8 11 -1 1
9 17 -1 0
10 0 -1 -1
11 12 -1 -2
12 30 1 -1
13 14 -2 -3
14 17 -1 -4
15 18 -1 -5
16 26 5 0
17 6 -1 -1
18 3 -1 -2
19 19 1 -1
20 30 4 3
21 27 1 4
22 31 4 8
23 13 -1 7
24 4 -1 6
25 29 1 7
26 15 -2 5
27 0 -1 4
28 35 1 5
29 33 -2 3
30 6 -1 2
31 22 1 3
32 3 -2 1
33 32 1 2
34 31 -2 0
35 25 1 1
36 31 4 5
37 4 -1 4
38 28 1 5
39 32 4 9
40 33 1 10



After 31.01.16, our bankroll goes to £4500.

[RouletteMaster]

01.02.16 was a very tough day. We stopped the game at the 70th spin in +2 unit profit.
Running bank roll is at £4600

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spin # units total
1 22 -1 -1
2 3 1 0
3 12 4 4
4 18 1 5
5 33 -2 3
6 26 -1 2
7 6 1 3
8 28 -2 1
9 2 1 2
10 16 4 6
11 27 -1 5
12 26 -1 4
13 36 -1 3
14 35 -1 2
15 27 -1 1
16 34 -1 0
17 2 1 1
18 5 -2 -1
19 32 -1 -2
20 24 -1 -3
21 12 1 -2
22 24 -2 -4
23 32 -1 -5
24 17 -1 -6
25 28 -1 -7
26 4 5 -2
27 14 1 -1
28 21 -2 -3
29 1 1 -2
30 5 -2 -4
31 8 1 -3
32 30 -2 -5
33 4 5 0
34 18 1 1
35 35 -2 -1
36 27 -1 -2
37 30 -1 -3
38 36 -1 -4
39 0 -1 -5
40 0 -1 -6
41 19 -1 -7
42 7 -1 -8
43 10 -1 -9
44 10 -1 -10
45 19 -1 -11
46 18 -1 -12
47 20 -1 -13
48 0 -1 -14
49 2 5 -9
50 34 -2 -11
51 7 -2 -13
52 21 -2 -15
53 17 -2 -17
54 2 16 -1
55 3 1 0
56 11 4 4
57 9 1 5
58 35 -2 3
59 26 -1 2
60 29 -1 1
61 15 1 2
62 33 -2 0
63 6 1 1
64 7 4 5
65 26 -1 4
66 20 -1 3
67 23 -1 2
68 18 1 3
69 25 -2 1
70 18 1 2


[RouletteMaster]

02.02.16 was a relatively easy day. 22 spins for the profit target. Bank roll has climbed to £5100

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spin # units total
1 7 1 1
2 21 -2 -1
3 12 1 0
4 17 4 4
5 9 1 5
6 5 4 9
7 33 -1 8
8 36 -1 7
9 8 1 8
10 36 -2 6
11 16 1 7
12 17 -2 5
13 23 -1 4
14 10 1 5
15 35 -2 3
16 19 -1 2
17 30 -1 1
18 36 -1 0
19 6 1 1
20 10 4 5
21 1 1 6
22 10 4 10



[RouletteMaster]

03.02.16 took a bit longer at 47 spins. but a good day for us. +11 unit profit takes our bankroll to £5650.

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spin # units total
1 1 1 1
2 20 -2 -1
3 35 -1 -2
4 8 1 -1
5 4 4 3
6 1 1 4
7 2 -2 2
8 28 -1 1
9 28 -1 0
10 16 1 1
11 6 4 5
12 3 1 6
13 36 -2 4
14 18 1 5
15 32 -2 3
16 20 -1 2
17 30 -1 1
18 4 1 2
19 2 -2 0
20 26 -1 -1
21 18 1 0
22 12 4 4
23 34 -1 3
24 0 -1 2
25 19 -1 1
26 27 -1 0
27 32 -1 -1
28 11 1 0
29 27 -2 -2
30 27 -1 -3
31 26 -1 -4
32 0 -1 -5
33 32 -1 -6
34 28 -1 -7
35 18 -1 -8
36 0 -1 -9
37 25 -1 -10
38 2 5 -5
39 29 -2 -7
40 4 -2 -9
41 36 -2 -11
42 12 -2 -13
43 13 -2 -15
44 3 5 -10
45 6 16 6
46 13 1 7
47 11 4 11