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[RouletteGhost]

And may I ask what is the right behavior of random and in what way RNG-s dont behave correct?

I believe that a random RNG will not behave like a real wheel

rng is human made

[RouletteGhost]

I dont claim to know for sure

But its what i strongly believe

Things i do behave mjch differently on rng

[Drazen]

There are 2 types of RNG-s. Pseudo random and True random RNG-s. Or software and hardware RNG-s if you like.
In "pseudo" RNG-s numbers are generated from a certain "seed" which for example could be initialised from your PC-s clock, and they do repeat after many cycles, so they're not really random but deterministic (although they're random enough for many cases).

The other ones ( hardware RNG-s) true RNG-s, generates numbers from some natural process like radioactive decay or atmospheric noise in case of random.org for example. That is the purest randomness one can get. So I think you cant say TRNG-s cant be confronted with real roulette wheel spins.

[RouletteGhost]

Thank you for that. I was not aware

Now even a true rng how do we know it behaves like roulette

[maestro]

and next question is do you know if roulette acts like roulette and if it does know it then how roulette does not have memory...ha

[Drazen]

Thank you for that. I was not aware

Now even a true rng how do we know it behaves like roulette

There are some statistical methods which can be raised to answer this question.

Our beloved Great Grandpa worked in Huxley as wheel balancing expert. I think he would be the best person to answer this. Unfortunately he is not with us anymore 

I think some VB guys could answer this properly too. They are good with statistical analysis. Maybe Steve or General?

[MumboJumbo]

Thank you for that. I was not aware

Now even a true rng how do we know it behaves like roulette

I can give you the answer.
RNG can not behave like real roulette because Chaos is not present on rng, only real wheel and ball can be chaotic system, it can be electronic machine roulette or live roulette. 

[RouletteGhost]

I can give you the answer.
RNG can not behave like real roulette because Chaos is not present on rng, only real wheel and ball can be chaotic system, it can be electronic machine roulette or live roulette. 

I agree

Evidence. Real wheel spins columns repeat. Less unique sets. On rng we have many unique column formations. I observe this!!

[Steve]

Real wheel spins have variables that correlate to winning numbers. Rng does not. It is possible to find differences with the right wheel, if you have enough data.

[Steve]

TG, we're fixing you pet peeve so you can finish smoko break (rebet on last spin with bets)

Ive noticed a few minor issues that are being addressed too. But I can't see any significant issues now and the server copes fine. Sometimes the countdown has minor lag because it is constantly syncronizing with all players.

[TurboGenius]

TG, we're fixing you pet peeve so you can finish smoko break (rebet on last spin with bets)

Ive noticed a few minor issues that are being addressed too. But I can't see any significant issues now and the server copes fine. Sometimes the countdown has minor lag because it is constantly syncronizing with all players.

Thanks



Perhaps (ranking issue)
The group of people over 1.0 (in profit) should be ranked by bankroll balance (or have that stat weighed more heavily).
Anyone below 1.0 (not in profit) the winrate should have a more prominent value in ranking.

What's the point if player A (for example) has a positive winrate (over 1.0) and bankroll of $30,000
who can never place higher in the rank than a person who never plays and has $10,000 with a 2.87 winrate
(for example) because they don't log in and play.

When you have a group of people who are in profit - the bankroll balance should be the ranking stat out of that group that is above 1.0 winrate.
Everyone below 1.0 should be ranked by how close to 1.0 they are, without as much emphasis placed on bankroll balance.

[Steve]

We cant rely on bankroll because someone can reset and bet big, then have huge bankroll in just a few spins. So we rely on win to lose ratio, and the statistical relevance of the win rate.

If someone has a high win rate and doesnt play anymore, continued play will push then down because other peoples high win rate will be more statistically significant. That is unless their win rate is very high, with a reasonable amount of bets and spins, in which case their position is justified. But it has imperfections because it relies on other players to be active players. Theres an easy fix I have in mind.

I understand your point but the ranking algorith is designed to have highest accuracy after average members have played a larger amount of spins.

We will see how it all goes in time, then we can all discuss whether or not the long term rankings are justified. The simple fix I have in mind may be all thats needed. A stat reset wouldnt be needed.

[TurboGenius]

If someone has a high win rate and doesnt play anymore, continued play will push then down because other peoples high win rate will be more statistically significant. That is unless their win rate is very high, with a reasonable amount of bets and spins, in which case their position is justified.

Hmm. I understand your points - will wait and see how it plays out.

[TurboGenius]

I see there isn't much room on the ranking chart for another column - but.. "spins bet" would be useful.
(it would certainly point out the active players from those who don't play yet have a high ranking).
Survival over time and spins played is what roulette is all about (beating the house edge, etc - needs more data than just a few played spins).

[Steve]

We do save that data but its just not displayed. Its already a tight squeeze for some screens.

Also see with other players continued play, priyanka has been pushed down. So algoritms doesnt usually allow inactive players to rank from short term luck.