Should Priyanka write and publish a book on Roulette?

[Still]

There's clear proof he cheated. I already explained it, and why people would actually believe he didnt cheat.

The point i made was ignored so i'll repeat:

Does any of the data feeding the leaderboard come from the log(s)?

Yes/no?

Fact: There was a debate as to what kind of control Priyanka had over the logs. 

If the logs don't feed the leaderboard, then it does not matter how much control Priyanka had over the log(s).

Question: What is the source of the data feeding the leaderboard?

My concern: It has not yet been established how much control, if any, Priyanka had over what the next number would be coming. 

Unless Priyanka had access to the files you are using for the spins, then there is nothing here. 

Are you saying Priyanka had access to the files you are using for the spins?

[Steve]

Does any of the data feeding the leaderboard come from the log(s)?

The logs and database are separate. They dont influence each other. The logs show all actions and results, and the database stores totals like bankroll.

Question: What is the source of the data feeding the leaderboard?

It comes from the database.

My concern: It has not yet been established how much control, if any, Priyanka had over what the next number would be coming. 

No he didnt have control over that. As far as I can see there were two types of cheats. One was telling the server that he bet on a number that he didnt bet on. This was possible because the server sent the winning number to the player's pc BEFORE the pc sent the bets to the server. It was completely against how I asked the programmer to code, but he says its fixed now. The other cheat involved calculating the wins on his pc, then telling the server there was a win when there wasnt. The server didnt know any better at the time. Priyanka even explained it to me via PM, but I see no need to hide these facts from everyone. He basically says he COULD have cheated if he wanted, but didnt. The logs dont agree with him, and I can see what he did.

Are you saying Priyanka had access to the files you are using for the spins?

No the cheat simply involves changing the information sent between the player's pc and the server. Research free software called Wireshark which does that kind of thing.

[psimoes]

How about a thread where Priyanka bets in real-time like Winkel and MumboJumbo did?

[Azim]

No the cheat simply involves changing the information sent between the player's pc and the server. Research free software called Wireshark which does that kind of thing.

If you know what you doing, you don't need a third party software to do it.

The Jury is still out there for Pri to answer why was he Snipping the link: packet?  The only time someone could go through that extreme is to cheat.

[falkor2k15]

How about a thread where Priyanka bets in real-time like Winkel and MumboJumbo did?

Good idea! Or how about Priyanka vs. Winkel to see who can make the most money in 30 minutes?

[Steve]

That would prove nothing. Its short term. But if we like, maybe I can put a $1000 cash prize for the winner of the roulette game over a month. I dont earn anything from it, its just for fun. But there needs to be some conditions to ensure legal compliance. For ranking we'd use the current algorithm. Let me know on another thread if anyones interested. There needs to be enough people interested.

[Azim]

Steve,
That's nice of you. However, why not use an online casino of everyone's choice?

[Steve]

That defeats the purpose of a community game. And it wouldnt be possible to easily rank success. It could also get very messy too with faked screenshots.

[Azim]

Sure does. However, there are a few multi roulette player games that lets you see other players bets and no need for screen shots. It can be live at a certain time of the day.

It's real money. Not fun money. People can put their money where their mouth is.

[Steve]

I would need a gambling license to offer prizemoney for that. For it to be legal, it needs to be a game of skill instead of chance. It is skill, but convincing an ignorant government employee is a different story. So to offer the prize i would need to introduce deliberate 'triggers' in the spins, to make it a game of 'skill'.

[Azim]

Thought so. As with any other gambling laws around the world.

However, it's very easy for your multi-player to allow to see peoples bets.
This way, there is no complain about cheating.

Example: If I don't place bet and as log is sent back. My balance increases. I am sure people will complain.

This is your best checking option.

No one will try and cheat.

[Steve]

It can be done but if there was a way to cheat now, it would be done when nobody else is around.  And many players don't want their bets shown.

[Azim]

I realize many players don't want their bets shown. However, if you take a vote, I am sure after what pri has done people will agree they want to see the bets.

I guess, it's everyone's call.

I personally don't care. Just throwing ideas out.

[Azim]

Steve,
Just played your multi-player roulette.

From a bankroll of 1000 to 3900 or 4000 in 19 - 20 spins.  Either you still have a loop hole or I just got lucky.

Maybe I have a system that can beat Roulette in the long run.

There is one thing we both agree on and that is this:

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17183.msg162520;topicseen#msg162520

[The General]

Luck.   

Why would you belive that it could be anything different after only 20 spins???