Why random results are NOT independent

[denzie]

You have zero (pardon the punn) chance of winning long term with the EC's. Sorry, its my view.

I would agree if you play (almost) every spin. But ec's always have and always will show certain patterns. If you can play the waiting game you can actually make them win. But nobody gonna sit there for few k spins of course.

[denzie]

It's hard to find at Europe, let alone rest of the world.

That's for sure. Online I've seen it. But in our b&m here nope.

Maybe in France?

[Blue_Angel]

If you can play the waiting game you can actually make them win

Very boring 

Yes, at France is more common that kind of rule, as is "en prison" too.

As "the general" would say, all EC's are losers in long term and I agree or at least someone could be happy break even or make tiny profits.
The same goes for other EC games too, an amateur has different perspective, he is very grateful for breaking even or with small profit, but for the rest this doesn't worth the time, simply as that, take it or leave it.

"Bayes" is fan of EC's and of trackers too, let's just say that if you remove his trackers, then he is becoming "blind"!
In a BM casino such practices are useless or at least impractical, keep on writing EC's...and all these for what?
For "peanuts"?!
Then "Bayes suggested replacing an EC with 3 lines, even with slightly improved results, does it worth to triple-fold the bankroll requirement?!

I'm just saying my opinion, maybe some pc geeks like those ideas, but I don't and this will not change.

[denzie]

Wasn't your "hg" on ec's?

[denzie]

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=16089.120

Reply 130...making 200/1000â,¬ isn't peanuts for me. All I did was play it almost daily to measure the variance. It does pretty good but yes boooooooring. 

[Blue_Angel]

Wasn't your "hg" on ec's?

This was something like an experiment for me, I've found the worst 200 spins for any EC in history of roulette and immediately considered it as a challenge.

That's why I tried to make a positive total out of such session (EC nightmare actually), eventually I concluded with what I've shared with you and thought that if it performs that well with such horrible 200 spins, it could be something for EC bets.

Anyway, EC's are not my cup of coffee, let's just leave it there.

[Blue_Angel]

I already said to "Bayes" what I wrote here and do you know what he was his reply??

"Not everybody has the same risk tolerance"

You can draw your own conclusions from this answer.

About the "Fallacious Holy Grail", try to make a positive total out of 65 wins VS 135 losses with maximum bet of 64 units and only if you do so come and tell me your system sucks!

A lot of smart-ashes know how to criticize but they have not even done what they are criticizing!

[Blue_Angel]

What can I say...you find the worst 200 spins in roulette history (65 wins/ 135 losses) and you are finding a way to beat the monster!

Then instead of keeping it to yourself you decide to share it and instead of some kind of gratitude or appreciation are coming smart-ashes with Excel spread-sheets to create a NEW WORLD RECORD in history of roulette in order to prove that you were wrong and they are right!

And then you are expecting others to help you out in one way or the other, go figure...!

I'm feeling disappointed and disgusted, not from "FHG" but from the behavior of some individuals!

[MrJ]

It's hard to find at Europe, let alone rest of the world.

Yep, I've heard of it, have never seen it.

Ken

[Bayes]

@ Blue Angel,

You obviously don't understand what "independence" means otherwise you wouldn't have started this ridiculous thread. Get a life.

[Turner]

@ Blue Angel,

You obviously don't understand what "independence" means otherwise you wouldn't have started this ridiculous thread. Get a life.

You are just being a smart-ashe lol

[Blue_Angel]

@ Blue Angel,

You obviously don't understand what "independence" means otherwise you wouldn't have started this ridiculous thread. Get a life.

Don't hide behind semantics, don't see the tree and miss the forest...

[falkor2k15]

Don't hide behind semantics, don't see the tree and miss the forest...

That's the main problem with our slave society... they ALWAYS miss the forest..... A L W A Y S!

[Steve]

Start with basic statistics and understand results to expect in tests, and how meaningful they are.  Then you understand the required tests, and can do meaningful tests that lead to the truth.

[RouletteGhost]

@ Blue Angel,

You obviously don't understand what "independence" means otherwise you wouldn't have started this ridiculous thread. Get a life.