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ignatus

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OK, so what do we got? Progression is the key to the grail, according to those who have found it. I have tried +1/-1 progression, but that failed because when you get into a hole, it requires SEVERAL hits to recover and reach a new high. And in most cases that will not work, only bring you down into a deeper hole than before.
 
What we need is a progression that survive many losses, and STILL recover quickly. And this is exactly what this progression, my invention does. it's a single dozen progression. A dozen cycle is 3 spins, so THIS progression increase bets (double bets) after 2 losses in a row. it never decrease bets, just double for each 2 losses in a row, and reset progression to 1u when reach a new high. Simple as that. playing with this progression you recover and reach a new high in most cases after 1-3 hits.

What bankroll is needed? This i haven't figured out yet, but i guess a 500u bankroll playing with 1u bets should be enough, in most cases...

First tests was played with 1u bets, (wingoal +100, stoploss -500u)

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Do you find +1/-1 fails on all bet selections?
in dont knock it till you try it, parley helps the +1/-1 bet
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Do you find +1/-1 fails on all bet selections?
in dont knock it till you try it, parley helps the +1/-1 bet

Yes? When getting into a hole it's very hard to recover with +1/-1 imo. With Myway-progression 1-2 hits is enough to recover and reach a new high

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I had a fun approach for double dozen progression. It has not tanked yet.
You start with 1u on both dozens. If you win, you are +1 so you stop. If you lose you continue in every spin to add +1unit on both dozens. You keep adding +1u in both dozens for as many spins as needed until a new high is reached. Win or lose if you are not in new high you add+1 units in dozens for next spin. With 66% hit rate it has good recovery. I have reached up to 30-35 units per dozen but it still works.

The only time I reduce the bet on the dozens is if I need less than what I am going to bet in order to reach new high. If new high is 5 units away and I am to bet for example 9 units, I will bet 5u instead and continue from there the progression if I lose that bet.

Dozens can have so many ways to be played. It's fun :)
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BellagioOwner I like this way of betting  :thumbsup:
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Some time ago play in the same way, but on the EC bets, I think that playing EC, is more aggresive approach and better for this progression. But withstand the deviation is another problem. I do not know how big the budget you need.Mayby 3,000 units for session it be good. It is rather fun method. so I tried to play it BV roulette, but even fun mode make disconnection.
I think this  is  Ralph method of  proggresion , he  try this   way with  very  big budget and bot , but i dont know what was  his  stoplose.

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BellagioOwner

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it's logical being more aggressive. You turn 66% hit rate of double dozens to 50% of EC (ignoring HE on both examples). Less hit rate means covering less numbers, means bigger losing streaks, bigger bets and bigger payouts of course. The bigger the payout=the smaller the hit rate= the more aggressive.
I haven't tried it on EC but I think for trial's sake i'll go even more aggressive than EC.I'll go on single dozen. On BV Roulette you can start from 0,01 to 1200. which means 120,000 units length for progressions. crazy i know :wink: And 500 dollars/euros could be translated into 50,000 bankroll depth. Paradise for bots but still probably won't come ahead of the house edge.  Entertaining though.

How is it going ignatus your initial progression approach? Have you made any more testings or are you finished wit it?
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BellagioOwner, what type of DoubleDozen do you play?
Last time I played it in the casino I played grassroot. Not with the original progression.
I think yours and Ignatus progressions are more interesting.
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BellagioOwner

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Haven't read the way grassroot system works even though I have heard a lot about it here. I was not into the forum when it was at the peak of its popularity.

What you mean what kind of DoubleDozen do I play? Which 2 I select? I don't chose them specifically. I just choose the first 2 most of the times for no reason with no bet selection tactics on outside bets.  I don't believe one is more possible to hit than the others FOR A SPECIFIC SINGLE SPIN and I'm not that fan of bet selection. I prefer to improve progressions, drawdowns, bankrolls,stop limits, mechanical staff than guessing the correct bet selection.If I HAD TO though, to select 2 of them and not randomly I would have chosen the 2 with the least hits. I would have noted down how many times every dozen is hit as I play and bet the 2 with the least hits having in mind that they should catch up or get closer to the average (sometime). Keeping in mind that there can be still many spins to bet  until we reach a new high I would go with the 2 most behind in the long run so far.
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5/5 Games won

If you like it, i think you should test this one and share your result...because i play manually in RX, that takes time and effort

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we've done this conversation again. On Level Up topic some months ago.  ;)
 I didn't ask you to push you or make you in a hurry. I asked if you had any more results. Just out of curiosity. Not to force you or anything. I also test manually. I know it takes time.  i don't know to code either. I'm giving some promising ones to some friends of mine to help me on coding.

I am just asking if you still had success, not demanding more results :) glad you still are positive with 5/5  :thumbsup:
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6/6 Games won

With a 511u bankroll, playing with 1u bets, you can cover 18 losses,(18 non-hits of the dozen bet) That is good enough in most cases, (not in extreme cases), but then you should win a minimum of 6 sessions with a wingoal of 100u, then you're still in profit...so, we can't play having in mind a dozen sleep for 30spins, That's impossible

Here is something related i found

"12-number spin will only encounter MORE than 18 LOSING roulette spins only in one 1000 spin-runs." But a check at the analysis at WIN-MAXX.COM roulette spins section yielded several incidents (more than 3, at least) of 18 or more SLEEPING roulette dozen/column on July 1-7, 2000 Spielbank Hamburg, of 2232 spins. "

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Nice to see something a bit more agressive.  ;)

Must admit the "agressive" idea been lurking in the back of my head. One of the dangers of roulette is definately how long you play it. Not only as the longer you stay the higher the chance of running into a progression killer situation or you mind starts to get bad ideas. However time is something we can control at the expense of higher betting risks.

Take a 100 unit bankroll with 10 unit goal betting EC with a small 3 step martingale like 1-2-4 (or even 1-2-3) is very "safe" choice but does  feel like walking 3 step forward and 2 step back all the time. And if  you are unlucky can take a lot of spins untill you reach the 10 unit goal.

The normal Martingale clearly "dont work" as all you do is digging yourself deeper into the hole just to win 1 unit with like a 5 step marty like 1-2-4-8-16 (not considering unit size of cause). However if we tweak it a bit so to ensure a unit won every spin like 1-3-7-15-31 we cut down our playtime to just 10 spins to get to the 10 units. Downside is its twice as expensive as the normal Martingale so the danger is there as always, however remembering the upside of spending like less time being "exposed to the wheel" is perhaps worth it? I mean you save at least 60%+ time and if you goal was 20 units you'd save 80%+ "danger" time easy. Most importent is to RLH when we reach our goal as this is clearly a "hit a run" only strategy.

Oh and i want to stress this is not something id suggest anyone plays, as this is clearly in the "depraved gambling category" as a friend of mine calls it when you'r clearly in deep waters. However i think there is value in remembering there is multiple options available to tweak and something like the above dozen with higher progression (but less wild) might totally be workable.

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I had a fun approach for double dozen progression. It has not tanked yet.
You start with 1u on both dozens. If you win, you are +1 so you stop. If you lose you continue in every spin to add +1unit on both dozens. You keep adding +1u in both dozens for as many spins as needed until a new high is reached. Win or lose if you are not in new high you add+1 units in dozens for next spin. With 66% hit rate it has good recovery. I have reached up to 30-35 units per dozen but it still works.

The only time I reduce the bet on the dozens is if I need less than what I am going to bet in order to reach new high. If new high is 5 units away and I am to bet for example 9 units, I will bet 5u instead and continue from there the progression if I lose that bet.

Dozens can have so many ways to be played. It's fun :)

Does this really work?  I've seen people talk about doing it.

What kind of a bank to you need in the end/
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