Progression is the only way to win

[ice789]

I do not know if I should publish it, but my friend has simulated the progression of Mike on the nozero wheel.

link:://betselection.cc/even-chance-8/how-to-get-an-edge-flat-betting-(in-theory)/msg22774/#msg22774

i want rx code pls

[ozon]

I received only a graph

[Scarface]

I always played black, in first 300 spins, I had 12 and 13 red series in a row.
Big hole, after 3k spins I am -140 units on minus, I have never even approached zero.
Color series with much more probability than they should.
I do not know if I still have time to continue, and more and more believe that achieving the advantage in the simulations is unreasonable, because in fact even supposedly honest casinos will not give us a win.

This is what I'm talking about when I say use variance to your advantage.  We should expect extremes like this.  Seeing 12 or 13 red series in a row in 300 spins may seem unlucky, or extreme, but is quiet common.

I just ran a gap test on loothog for 300 spins.  Looking at all 6 even bets (red,black,odd,even,high,low).  In 300 spins, at least 1 or more of these even bets had a streak of at least 9 or more!  I ran the test for 300 spins for 10 more times.....all 10 tests show there was at least 1 or more even bets with a streak of 9+.

So, instead of fighting variance why not let it work to our advantage.  One way of doing this is parlay our winnings on a streak.  Flat betting 1 unit, and parlaying the winnings, for 9 bets will win you 1022 units! 

[sugtips]

I already shared a very good method, as a matter of fact so good.  I regret sharing in the forum 😅

Thanks.

[ozon]

You do not understand my post.
Show me a real advantage, a parlay does not give you an advantage in long run.
Try your strategy on 20k spins on real rng no  zero roulette, and you see that you dont have any edge.
In my post I show you the real edge, but in reality the casino does not allow winning, becose variance is always negative.

[Scarface]

You do not understand my post.
Show me a real advantage, a parlay does not give you an advantage in long run.
Try your strategy on 20k spins on real rng no  zero roulette, and you see that you dont have any edge.
In my post I show you the real edge, but in reality the casino does not allow winning, becose variance is always negative.

Parlay is like Martingale, in that it will win eventually (in theory).  If betting red using a Martingale double up progression, red has to come up at some point in time...hopefully, before bankroll is depleted or table limits are reached.

Same goes for parlay.  That extreme sequence of x number of reds will come in at some point given enough time. But at least you're only flat betting with your money. 

Not claiming an edge.  Both will work in theory. 

[ozon]

Again, I wanted to continue my test on real terms.
Everything I play real money, I did not even do 500 spins, 13 reds.
Drowdawn -200 units. Rng is great.
Bad variance continuation.

[Scarface]

Again, I wanted to continue my test on real terms.
Everything I play real money, I did not even do 500 spins, 13 reds.
Drowdawn -200 units. Rng is great.
Bad variance continuation.

I'm not sure of how you're playing, or your progression.  But I had a thought on this.  What if you used the same progression, but bet on both red and black.  Not sure if this will work.  Basically, you'll be betting on an extreme event to happen on either side.

Let's say I was playing 1 unit on Red and 1 unit on Black for every spin for 300 spins.  Total bets would be 600 units of my own money.  So, if either red or black have a streak of 9 hits in a row I win 1022 units (parlay)....and that's playing both even chances.

I know you're not using a parlay progression, but it might be worth seeing how it would work playing both red/black with whatever progression you are using.

[ozon]

The simulations were made on a nozero wheel, and gave a 1.2% advantage over the casino.
Only nozero roulette is betvoyager rng, I had hoped it was a little honest.
But in reality it is a joke.
I will not try to play anymore, for money because it works as a slot machine.
They writes, they have equal odds. Then why strategy with edge give minus.

[Scarface]

Sorry it didn't work out Ozon.  I've never played online casino.  Not real sure if I trust it.  Maybe if it was legalized and regulated in the states, I probably would play

[Scarface]

Two facts I know for sure about Roulette

1.  There will always be an imbalance.
An imbalance will exist 99.999% in roulette.  Look at any bet and it's counterbet (ex. Red vs black) and it will be imbalanced...one will almost always exceed the other.
2.  What most consider extreme events,
happen quiet often and are not extreme at all.
You can walk up to the table and put your money on black, and see 9 reds show up back to back.  Happens all the time.  Last time I played, the marquee showing the last 20 spins we're all from the 1st dozen except one.

Only problem is knowing what bet the imbalance will occur on.  I was thinking, maybe it's possible to play both sides using a progression so when an imbalance does occur it will create a profit.  Kind  of like 2 players at the table betting the opposite even bet with a progression...one will be winning big, while the other is losing.  Is it possible to create arbitrage here?  Any thoughts?

[MoneyT101]

Two facts I know for sure about Roulette

1.  There will always be an imbalance.
An imbalance will exist 99.999% in roulette.  Look at any bet and it's counterbet (ex. Red vs black) and it will be imbalanced...one will almost always exceed the other.
2.  What most consider extreme events,
happen quiet often and are not extreme at all.
You can walk up to the table and put your money on black, and see 9 reds show up back to back.  Happens all the time.  Last time I played, the marquee showing the last 20 spins we're all from the 1st dozen except one.

Only problem is knowing what bet the imbalance will occur on.  I was thinking, maybe it's possible to play both sides using a progression so when an imbalance does occur it will create a profit.  Kind  of like 2 players at the table betting the opposite even bet with a progression...one will be winning big, while the other is losing.  Is it possible to create arbitrage here?  Any thoughts?

Yes there is, it was being done in baccarat and now my casino doesn't allow a play on both sides. 

Only way to do it now is with a partner and undercover. 

[DoctorSudoku]

So here's an example why I say what I say.  I play 200 spins on an EC. 

This is about avg with no progression
Lose 22
Wins 68
Total bets 90

Tell me how much did the 0/00 affect me?

I will share with you my experience betting single doz/col and double doz/col. I employ various bet selection strategies that I employ on a hit-and-run basis (and with flat bets).

I have consistently noted that my winning sessions are those where the zeros either did not appear at all or they appeared less frequently than what they should according to probability theory.

For my losing sessions, the exact opposite is nearly always the case -- the zeros appear more frequently than what you would expect probability theory-wise.

I am sure that it would be the same were I to bet on the ECs (as I mentioned before, I prefer betting on single doz/col and double doz/col).

For me, the appearance or non-appearance of the zeros absolutely make a noticeable difference when I am playing the outside group bets on the US double zero wheel.

[Scarface]

Yes there is, it was being done in baccarat and now my casino doesn't allow a play on both sides. 

Only way to do it now is with a partner and undercover.

That's odd they wouldn't allow that.  My casino doesn't care as far as roulette goes.  Of course there are ways to disguise your bet to get around that

[Scarface]

I will share with you my experience betting single doz/col and double doz/col. I employ various bet selection strategies that I employ on a hit-and-run basis (and with flat bets).

I have consistently noted that my winning sessions are those where the zeros either did not appear at all or they appeared less frequently than what they should according to probability theory.

For my losing sessions, the exact opposite is nearly always the case -- the zeros appear more frequently than what you would expect probability theory-wise.

I am sure that it would be the same were I to bet on the ECs (as I mentioned before, I prefer betting on single doz/col and double doz/col).

For me, the appearance or non-appearance of the zeros absolutely make a noticeable difference when I am playing the outside group bets on the US double zero wheel.

So would you say that the 0 affects a player more who bets EC'S or Dozens, than it would a player who bets single numbers or splits?