It's ok to call out hucksters but why is ok to acquire life changing knowledge

[cht]

That @turbo thread is derailed talking sh!ts now. I don't blame the other posters frustration.

Asking someone to show proof of concept, is to me baiting - the real baiting. It's like saying give me lock, stock and barrel on a platter or stfu. I'd say go f yourself. You lazy bone do your own homework, you want to eat lift up the spoon feed yourself.

[cht]

Its extremely unlikely anyone would share a HG. There are some circumstances when I would share it, but only to people who I think would deserve it and use it intelligently. One of which is I had no intention to use or license it, perhaps because of other interests. Everyone thinks everyone is motivated by money, at least not to the same degree.

Yes $100k is a low price for HG. But that's what I'm willing to pay. I already have methods to beat roulette which are very good but still not hg.

Why not share it on here ? Someone might pick it up, mix match their own to come up with their hybrid system. Now that's helping other punters. Why bother allow the unintelligent stop you do a noble thing ? You might even learn a thing or two in between.

[Moxy]

That @turbo thread is derailed talking sh!ts now. I don't blame the other posters frustration.

Asking someone to show proof of concept, is to me baiting - the real baiting. It's like saying give me lock, stock and barrel on a platter or stfu. I'd say go f yourself. You lazy bone do your own homework, you want to eat lift up the spoon feed yourself.

This.  Like any other site it's r & d on a bare minimum expense level.  Is anyone getting compensated for their time.  What happens if you crack the code?  A virtual pat on the back.  What if the role were reversed and admin was privy to the golden goose?  Be more your own person and less of a pawn.  The whole point of any advantage gambling site: to farm for a/the hg with minimal effort and cost. 

[Steve]

What's not ok is to repeat the same old record everywhere as though readers don't read or readers're too stupid to understand. That's not ok, annoying and plain stupid.

Is it more stupid to ignore facts and common sense in front of your nose?

People that explain facts can sometimes annoy people. But it reaches a point where if they dont want to listen, they need to be left alone. And if a member follows people everywhere to explain facts to the point where it's trolling, then action is taken against the member. But an easier option if for members to just post in the "system players" area where fact-talk is not allowed.

You need to practice this to allow for free flow discussion. Caveat emptor.

We do. But the other side is not to let bullshit go unchallenged. We maintain the balance.

I don't see baiting, gross misleading on recent topics. Do you ?

No because members have a good idea of what's allowed.

And if some poster is on an ego trip seeking attention, what do we care. The problem lies with the poster who sees problem. I'd say grow up, get over it!

That's one way to look at it. The other side baiters and attention seekers are basically trolls who degrade the entire forum. We have free speech, and action is taken only in extreme cases. Or should be let the most disgracefully obvious baiters run amok?

Asking someone to show proof of concept, is to me baiting - the real baiting. It's like saying give me lock, stock and barrel on a platter or stfu. I'd say go f yourself. You lazy bone do your own homework, you want to eat lift up the spoon feed yourself.

Nobody with a brain expects the HG for free. Nobody I can see is "baiting" anyone like turbo for the HG. The issue is his claims are being criticized because of various inaccurate or inconsistent statements. For example, claiming parxonline tests are credible when they clearly arent. It is not baiting to explain this.

You are talking about people trying to deceptively get people to reveal their HG (assuming it existed). That's not what we're talking about.

[cht]

Is it more stupid to ignore facts and common sense in front of your nose?

From experience, repetition will never stop people blinded by greed and desperation from ignoring facts and common sense.

Or should be let the most disgracefully obvious baiters run amok?

Ofc not. I don't think there's any extreme case on here now.

The issue is his claims are being criticized because of various inaccurate or inconsistent statements.

It's good there's criticism that puts the idea on stress test. But steer away from personal level criticism.

[nottophammer]

Nice topic
I look at this place as a library, Read the topics, take info of use, even if one has to sift thru the shite.
Maestro and I use Steves MPR, me to test, even thou its RNG. ooops Baiting ?

[Bayes]

Math frontiers and norms have to be challenged.

Really? that implies that the math is just a conventional way of looking at things, like we all agree that a red light at traffic lights means stop. But math is more than that, it tells us that things must be a certain way, given some assumptions. We can challenge the assumptions and end up with different math, and that's what the AP does. But we can't assume that outcomes are unbiased and independent, then use the resulting math to attempt to find a way of proving that the outcomes are not unbiased and independent.  That's just illogical, like assuming our arithmetic system is correct and then trying to "prove" that 1 + 1 = 3.

[cht]

Really? that implies that the math is just a conventional way of looking at things, like we all agree that a red light at traffic lights means stop. But math is more than that, it tells us that things must be a certain way, given some assumptions. We can challenge the assumptions and end up with different math, and that's what the AP does. But we can't assume that outcomes are unbiased and independent, then use the resulting math to attempt to find a way of proving that the outcomes are not unbiased and independent.  That's just illogical, like assuming our arithmetic system is correct and then trying to "prove" that 1 + 1 = 3.

You don't know what I assume and how I make that challenge for my own consumption.

What you wrote thus far in all your posts both here and on your blog at betselection(I took the trouble to check your background to understand where you're coming from) reflect only your personal level of thinking, I reserve my comments.

What I'll say is with you, your math and AP background, acting as moderator on this forum it has a great influence on the flow of this forum. Steve with his computer physics and your math, AP background, this should be the perfect forum for those who approach the game from the same angle.

It's clear roulette system players, definitely not me(just to clarify), may not find this forum suitable for their discussions when taken in toto all recent posts from admin/mod pertaining to moderation matters. Ofc that's my personal opinion from my brief visit. And ofc admin/mod always reserve the right to conduct whatever is right and suitable for the purpose of this forum.

Cheers and Good day.

[Steve]

cht, math is not an opinion. It is just what is. It still exists even if not understood.

If anyone doesnt find this convenient, the system players section allows them to discuss their systems without any math talk.

[Steve]

And its not a case of me pushing an agenda. When it comes to topics, I have exactly the same say you or anyone does. Thats because i dont use any advantage i could use. Me being admin doesnt mean i narrate content when i choose not to narrate content.

Basically i post the same way anyone here does.

[Taotie]

And its not a case of me pushing an agenda...

Oh yeah?

What about your sloppy dick agenda. 

I guess you can't really push that anywhere.

[Steve]

There's only one place I'm allowed to push that one.