It's ok to call out hucksters but why is ok to acquire life changing knowledge

[Moxy]

For free or minimal investment.  Has it occurred to folks that anything genuine should come at a hefty price.  Why all the foolish wishful thinking? 

It's hypocritical.  Scammers and baiters should be chastised 100%, we all agree, yet on the same token the real McCoy being openly shared/distributed is expected/demanded.    Not saying socialism is good nor bad but just curious if it's the norm here.  Or, most likely 99.9%, is it just wishful thinking the hg could be had if some one would doubly be ingenious enough to crack the code + kind/naive/daft enough to share it for free?

Like expecting to win the lottery, it is collective insanity imho.

[Steve]

Nobody is expected to share the hg. But if you want to post here, you aren't allowed to constantly bait people. Baiting is like teasing.

Giving clues is not baiting as looking as the clues actually lead somewhere and allow development

[Moxy]

Nobody is expected to share the hg. But if you want to post here, you aren't allowed to constantly bait people. Baiting is like teasing.

Giving clues is not baiting as looking as the clues actually lead somewhere and allow development

I'm not baiting.  Sharing does a disservice to the ones who have may have cracked the code so to speak.  You wouldn't disclose your blueprint to your computer for anything yet your site openly encourage folks to share potential hg's like its nothing.  Hypocritical, imho.  Folks should be smart enough to protect there i.p. and not get suckered into dispersing potentially valuable stuff for a pat on the back and a 'for he's a jolly good fellow' type of deal. 

I hope above folks are economically smart/keen enough with their potential investment that is not to say a hg exists if at all.

[Steve]

I'm not being hypocritical. You haven't understood what I'm saying.

[Steve]

 would i give away the hg for free if i had it? No.  But i wouldn't brag about it and share nothing (Baiting).

If i wanted to share anything, it would be to steer people in the right direction.  The clues would be specific so people could test principles. If i had to be intolerably vague, i wouldn't bother sharing anything.

Baiting is simply teasing and leading people along for extended periods, just for attention and ego

[Moxy]

I'm not being hypocritical. You haven't understood what I'm saying.

Ok.  But, a hypotical hg is worth MILLIONS at least imho.  Unless folks on here are millionaires this isn't considered baiting.  Just wanted to make a point on wishful thinking.

So now that that has been settled, no one will take ever accuse me of baiting now.

[Moxy]

would i give away the hg for free if i had it? No.  But i wouldn't brag about it and share nothing (Baiting).

If i wanted to share anything, it would be to steer people in the right direction.  The clues would be specific so people could test principles. If i had to be intolerably vague, i wouldn't bother sharing anything.

Baiting is simply teasing and leading people along for extended periods, just for attention and ego

I'm sorry but you are twisting it around when my message was plain and clear about the strange expectations folks have with free intellectual property.  You understand that point of view with your IP.  The forum is like r & d center of some sort with minimum seed money.

[Moxy]

People, don't be daft.  Your IP is invaluable.  Protect it + don't sell yourself unworthy. Like Steve does his.  No need to relinquish anything for pennies to the dollar or for free for that matter.  Again, that is not to say a HG exist if at all.

[Steve]

Again I'm not debating whether or not anyone should share the HG if they had it.

Look at it this way....

Should we allow people to do nothing but brag and tease for months without sharing anything?

Again you dont seem to understand what I'm saying.

[Moxy]

Again I'm not debating whether or not anyone should share the HG if they had it.

Look at it this way....

Should we allow people to do nothing but brag and tease for months without sharing anything?

Again you dont seem to understand what I'm saying.

You clearly misdiagnose most of what I am implying.   I wouldn't sell a hypothetical hg unless for millions and it irks me that people on here foolishly expect it for relatively free/cheap, you included.  It's dishonest, plain and simple.  If you have care, you wouldn't allow it. 

And physics is really the only way to win with flat betting w/out the use of computers imho.  There you go.  My best interest is for protecting the integrity of IP no matter who has it.  You know, like the real world.

[Moxy]

I apologise for being so cryptic.  I will be upfront with this question.  You are willing to acquire the hg for 100k aus.

How much min would you accept for you to part with your hypothetical hg?  (Flat bet, mechanical, high win pct, etc.)

[Steve]

people on here foolishly expect it for relatively free/cheap, you included

Its extremely unlikely anyone would share a HG. There are some circumstances when I would share it, but only to people who I think would deserve it and use it intelligently. One of which is I had no intention to use or license it, perhaps because of other interests. Everyone thinks everyone is motivated by money, at least not to the same degree.

Yes $100k is a low price for HG. But that's what I'm willing to pay. I already have methods to beat roulette which are very good but still not hg.

[Moxy]

Its extremely unlikely anyone would share a HG. There are some circumstances when I would share it, but only to people who I think would deserve it and use it intelligently. One of which is I had no intention to use or license it, perhaps because of other interests. Everyone thinks everyone is motivated by money, at least not to the same degree.

Yes $100k is a low price for HG. But that's what I'm willing to pay. I already have methods to beat roulette which are very good but still not hg.

Stalemate I guess.  But I wouldn't doubt very rich gamblers aka high rollers would see the value in it.

[Moxy]

I was only making a sobering point and it got misconstrued as ego and attention seeking. 

But now that we've acknowledged the true market value of a/the hg (not 100k), it would suit everyone to keep your proprietary rights intact unless it's for a fair value (at the very least, a mil).  Again, that is not to say a hg exists, if at all.

[cht]

Steve, quoting basic math and calling gamblers fallacy for the sake of the readers not to be misguided, waste their time is ok.

What's not ok is to repeat the same old record everywhere as though readers don't read or readers're too stupid to understand. That's not ok, annoying and plain stupid.

Forums are for exploratory discussion. Math frontiers and norms have to be challenged.

And everyone needs to be responsible for understanding and testing facts.

You need to practice this to allow for free flow discussion. Caveat emptor.

I don't see baiting, gross misleading on recent topics. Do you ?

And if some poster is on an ego trip seeking attention, what do we care. The problem lies with the poster who sees problem. I'd say grow up, get over it!