Breakout System

ignatus · Sep 24, 05:32 AM 2017

Alright

I try to explain this in a easy way, but it's little complicated to explain,..

Good results from the first tests. this is a hit'n run system (it won't win forever?)

This mainly wheel-based, but also partly carpet based, (i made the bet easy, for being a wheel-bet,)

The basic idea is very simple; You wait for 2 hits on one part of the wheel (trigger) THEN for the next 3 spins you bet that the *other side* of the wheel will hit any of the 12 numbers bet (12/18 numbers bet on that other Side of the wheel) 6 Blacks + 6 Red numbers,...

And the carpet layout will be perfect for this purpose- (as you may know?)

RED HIGH+BLACK LOW numbers (one part of the wheel)
RED LOW+BLACK HIGH numbers (the other part of the wheel)

This must be clearly understood, because the trigger & bet is based on this /Half the wheel/ (carpet layout)

OK, so i'll try to explain the trigger bet. as i mentioned the Trigger IS 2 hits one part of the wheel (in any combination of the above mentioned groups) for an example

Red Low, Red Low (TRIGGER) or Red Low, Black High (TRIGGER) or Black High+Red Low (TRIGGER),

so, now you understood the trigger, now i'll explain the BET;

When you got a (TRIGGER) what you bet? you bet 6 BLACK numbers and 6 RED numbers on the opposite side of the wheel, (for the next 3 spins) Stop/Restart if hit OR if any of the unbet numbers within the groups bet hit (OR if zero hit-That's how i play)..for an example

Let's say Red High, Black Low hits (TRIGGER) (number 4, DS 1/6 ) hits...now the bet would be;

All REDs in DS 7/12 & DS 13/18 (Current hit DS 1/6, is *not bet*) AND... All BLACK High (all except the last *Black High DS hit*) Let's say last Black hit was 35 (DS 31/36) is *not bet*, so now- the bet would be all BLACKs in (DS 19/24) & (DS 25/30) ---> but not DS (31/36)..

OK That's pretty much the basics, (sorry for my bad english, perhaps i can make a video-demonstration, if anyone is interested).. or if there is something else you dont understand feel free to ask, (it's very simple system,..)

Progression -none- FLATBET

8/10 Games won

(First tests was played with 5u bets)

wingoal: +200u-500u
Stoploss: -200u-500u

ignatus · Sep 24, 09:17 AM 2017

...tried to make a video-demo, but camstudio f*ckt up

...i'll try again

anyway, here is how that session ended;

ignatus · Sep 24, 04:07 PM 2017

more spins...

3 Games lost
11 Games won

Now ofcourse this could be played differently, for an example with a -200u/+200 stoploss/wingoal, ...(i played with 5u bets and -500/+500 just for demonstration)...

ignatus · Sep 24, 08:36 PM 2017

more spins... (still tryin to make a video and camstudio not working) :/

OK, so what do we got so far

4 losses
12 wins

That's about a 75% winrate (12/16) so far,...BUT for being FLATBET i think it's not so bad at all? Furthermore, the +100/-100 W/L, or +500/-500 is good. I don't think changning stoploss or wingoal would make much difference OR PERHAPS you could set the Stoploss to -300, wingoal +500...? It's just an idea?

ignatus · Sep 25, 02:15 AM 2017

OK, so i finally made a video-demo

ignatus · Sep 25, 03:24 AM 2017

13/17 Games won

That was a tough session, but won in the End.

I don't think the stoploss should be changed (-100u minumum playing with 1u bets) and (-500u playing with 5u bets) since i've seen severeal times how the trend can change, from being low, then go up, and finally reaching the wingoal....

ignatus · Sep 25, 05:17 AM 2017

14/18 Games won Again, this is just for demonstration, i try to figure out a better MM-plan now, we'll see...i just have to finish these 20 sessions first, IF you playing highroller, like 25u bets, or even 5u bets (scary enough) you don't have time for this type of MM;--im thinking, QUIT, after 2 wins in a Row for an example (if your BR is still positive) and the reverse, QUIT after 2 losses in a row...i see what i can do with this, if it's possible?

(btw. AGAIN it happened, down at -300u THEN a sudden rise/recovery and wingoal was reached).

ignatus · Sep 25, 07:54 AM 2017

15/19 Games won

ignatus · Sep 25, 09:33 AM 2017

16/20 Games won FLATBET That's an 80% winrate.

Noreilles · Sep 25, 10:19 AM 2017

Hi, just want to make something clear. You said:
"When you got a (TRIGGER) what you bet? you bet 6 BLACK numbers and 6 RED numbers on the opposite side of the wheel, (for the next 3 spins) Stop/Restart if hit OR if any of the unbet numbers within the groups bet hit (OR if zero hit-That's how i play)..for an example"

So let's say we get numbers 4, 3 and 26, so we bet High Reds (except 25-27-30) and low blacks (except 2-4-6); next number is 4... so we stop betting and wait for next trigger? (since 4 is an unbet numbers within the groups bet)

Looks like a great system BTW, 80% winrate flatbet... wow.

ignatus · Sep 25, 10:29 AM 2017

Quote from: Noreilles on Sep 25, 10:19 AM 2017So let's say we get numbers 4, 3 and 26, so we bet High Reds (except 25-27-30) and low blacks (except 2-4-6); next number is 4... so we stop betting and wait for next trigger? (since 4 is an unbet numbers within the groups bet)

Yes, that's correct!

thx !

Tekunda · Sep 25, 01:56 PM 2017

Quote from: ignatus on Sep 25, 03:24 AM 2017
13/17 Games won

That was a tough session, but won in the End.

I don't think the stoploss should be changed (-100u minumum playing with 1u bets) and (-500u playing with 5u bets) since i've seen severeal times how the trend can change, from being low, then go up, and finally reaching the wingoal....

Ignatus, please explain why playing with 5u bets makes you use a 500 units stop-loss when compared to 1 u bets where you advise 100 units as stop-loss?

ignatus · Sep 25, 02:10 PM 2017

Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 25, 01:56 PM 2017
Ignatus, please explain why playing with 5u bets makes you use a 500 units stop-loss when compared to 1 u bets where you advise 100 units as stop-loss?

Well? These limits are just imaginary, i've been using these limits for several years through my testings (+100/-100 wingoal/Stoploss for 1u bets)....doesn't make sense no? agree?, (5u bets that is +500/-500 wingoal/stoploss)...

but Then today i've been thinking these limits doesn't work in reality when you play Highroller stakes, for an example with 25u bets.....as i mentioned i was thinking about another MM plan for Highroller--like Quit after 2 wins in a row. or Quit after 2 losses in a row, (That would still require a pretty large BR with 25u bets), I've never played with Highroller stakes for Real, but i imagine that's the way you play higher stakes (As mentioned by Mr.J) for an example -He was playing for real, with 100u bets and Quit after 1 hit. Well? You can share your ideas and use what MM suites you best? This is what i figure,? I'm still learning..... cheers

Tekunda · Sep 25, 02:24 PM 2017

Is it possible that you mixed up units and value? Playing with 1 u bets (if one base unit equals 1$) you need 100$ and you hold 100 one dollar chips in your hand. Using 5 units per game makes the value of one unit 5$, so 100 units will cost you $500 but you still have only a 100 pieces or chips in your hand as a stop-loss? Only the 100 units have cost you 500$.
So again, could you have mixed up the number of units with the cost of the units, or does playing with 5$ chips increases the need for a higher stop-loss, so that the
500 units would cost you $2500?

ignatus · Sep 25, 03:01 PM 2017

Quote from: Tekunda on Sep 25, 02:24 PM 2017Is it possible that you mixed up units and value?

Yes, these limits doesn't make any sense,..:/ but all my testings done with these limits, (for demonstration) playin with 1u bets, perhaps can make sense,? but then with 5u bets (for me that's already highroller) --i am poor, and i would be a real daredevil if i played with 5u stakes or higher... :S use your own MM, this is not my expertise, since i haven't played *for real* enough, (in real conditions), to tell what works and what doesn't work, ... :/

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