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The Steve way

Started by denzie, Oct 05, 04:00 AM 2017

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Steve

What would i do? I use computers, or rather my teams do.  We would assess ball scatter to see how predictably the ball bounced, if we were being super careful. But ordinarily we'd just start using the computer without evaluation. We usually at least get 20% edge regardless.

My method is not typical so that's not the answer you want.

The reason i say first learn basics because they are used to build a working system. That dictates what you do next. For most ap, you'd assess the conditions that matter. Its different for different approaches

Let's take nottos non hit bla bla. If he tested more he'd know non hits, hot numbers, cold numbers, sleepers, streaks bla bla are meaningless. You get them with rng or real spins. Its just basic probability. None of it can be used to determine the next number, or at sequence of numbers, with improved odds.

Notto gave us an example of not testing properly. So he doesn't know better.
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kingmaq

Quote from: Steve on Oct 05, 05:13 AM 2017
What would i do? I use computers, or rather my teams do.  We would assess ball scatter to see how predictably the ball bounced, if we were being super careful. But ordinarily we'd just start using the computer without evaluation. We usually at least get 20% edge regardless.

My method is not typical so that's not the answer you want.

The reason i say first learn basics because they are used to build a working system. That dictates what you do next. For most ap, you'd assess the conditions that matter. Its different for different approaches

Let's take nottos non hit bla bla. If he tested more he'd know non hits, hot numbers, cold numbers, sleepers, streaks bla bla are meaningless. You get them with rng or real spins. Its just basic probability. None of it can be used to determine the next number, or at sequence of numbers, with improved odds.

Notto gave us an example of not testing properly. So he doesn't know better.

Do you know when there will be the first computer which works with an online casino with live dealer ?
Some casino allow player 10 seconds after ball has been spun, maybe this would be enough time to get prediction from the computer ?

cht

Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 05:50 AM 2017
Do you know when there will be the first computer which works with an online casino with live dealer ?
Some casino allow player 10 seconds after ball has been spun, maybe this would be enough time to get prediction from the computer ?
How is that going to work with the visual frames rate that's inconsistent with the actual reality ?

The use of physics measures the momentum, friction, drag, tilt and so on.
How can those variables be measured through another medium ?

kingmaq

Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 05:59 AM 2017
How is that going to work with the visual frames rate that's inconsistent with the actual reality ?

A multiprocessor computer should be able to handle it, forget about clicking button when the ball passes a certain point, this was it wont work.

You need a computer that detects the ball with a laser and estimates its speed automatically, the same thing for the wheel ...you don't then need to bet one number, you can target  sectors.

kingmaq

Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 05:59 AM 2017
How is that going to work with the visual frames rate that's inconsistent with the actual reality ?

The use of physics measures the momentum, friction, drag, tilt and so on.
How can those variables be measured through another medium ?

By the way there are some software today which can estimates the speed of a moving object over video streaming...

The same technology should be used in a software that detects the white ball and the green zero on a wheel and estimate their speed

cht

Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:04 AM 2017
A multiprocessor computer should be able to handle it, forget about clicking button when the ball passes a certain point, this was it wont work.

You need a computer that detects the ball with a laser and estimates its speed automatically, the same thing for the wheel ...you don't then need to bet one number, you can target  sectors.
If you cast a laser beam on the wheel and ball at b&m, don't you think the casino surveillance can easily catch you ?

kingmaq

Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 06:10 AM 2017
If you cast a laser beam on the wheel and ball at b&m, don't you think the casino surveillance can easily catch you ?

Hey !
Didn't you read my post ?
I was asking about a computer that can work from home !! For live wheel

cht

Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:21 AM 2017
Hey !
Didn't you read my post ?
I was asking about a computer that can work from home !! For live wheel
I did.

I was just thinking aloud about application in both environment.

The technology to read dynamic points far exceeds that of static data points from visual feeds, throw in unstable transmission and noise, is it possible and so readily available, at what price ?

cht

Are we going to get info about this, like how much work is computer aided, what else has to be done by the user

Steve

Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 05:50 AM 2017
Do you know when there will be the first computer which works with an online casino with live dealer ?
Some casino allow player 10 seconds after ball has been spun, maybe this would be enough time to get prediction from the computer ?

this wasnt supposed to be about my technology.

10s is easily enough. My hybrid can get prediction in 1s after ball release if i run the server locally, or 2-3s if its run on a remote server.

I can easily beat the online wheels. Beating them isnt the problem. Its:

- you need to mess around with duplicate accounts to win a reasonable amount of money. Otherwise you just get banned or restricted. You can do far better in real casinos without messing around.

- many online casinos refuse payout.

There are other reasons. Very few serious players bother with online casinos.
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Steve

Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 05:59 AM 2017
How is that going to work with the visual frames rate that's inconsistent with the actual reality ?

The use of physics measures the momentum, friction, drag, tilt and so on.
How can those variables be measured through another medium ?

My uber computer uses manual clicks. It has algorithms to minimize human clicking errors. See the public demo below. 120% edge makes it clear timing errors are negligible:



You dont need to measure things like drag. But you do need to properly model ball deceleration and changes in deceleration. This is where most computers fail. Its a complex problem. Most computers either assume no change, or they use crude methods to approximate changes in ball deceleration.
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Steve

Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:04 AM 2017
A multiprocessor computer should be able to handle it, forget about clicking button when the ball passes a certain point, this was it wont work.

You need a computer that detects the ball with a laser and estimates its speed automatically, the same thing for the wheel ...you don't then need to bet one number, you can target  sectors.

I have versions that use a laser, a form of radar, optical sensors, video processors, manual clicks and more. The best is using video processing. There is no detectable emission and it can detect ball position at any visible point.
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Steve

Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 05, 06:08 AM 2017
By the way there are some software today which can estimates the speed of a moving object over video streaming...

The same technology should be used in a software that detects the white ball and the green zero on a wheel and estimate their speed

You are talking about this: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19227.0

It does a lot more than I show in this video.
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Steve

Quote from: cht on Oct 05, 06:26 AM 2017
I did.

I was just thinking aloud about application in both environment.

The technology to read dynamic points far exceeds that of static data points from visual feeds, throw in unstable transmission and noise, is it possible and so readily available, at what price ?

US$80,000. It is a requirement players see it fully before buying. So they are sure and they know exactly what theyre getting. Everyone who has seen it purchased it so far.

But you can also get it free and pay from winnings: :.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/ - i still accept most serious teams.
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Steve

getting back to the original point, there are likely other ways to increase accuracy of prediction. I explained the best experimental ways imo at link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19212.0

AP and computers arent for everyone. They still require intelligence and careful planning to do well.

Really everyone should do the quiz. Start by aiming to beat Taotie. Go to link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=SMFQuiz
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