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Simple Single EC (Roulette & Baccaret)

Started by Thanatos, Feb 06, 02:53 PM 2018

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Thanatos

Idea: to find the simplest EC bet & thus hopefully the safest & so should allow for the longest of progressions. Most EC bets usually involves mutiple bets on multiple EC's or has you playing continually. Like Wesley Snipes famous quote: "always bet on black" really felt wrong & should really have been like "only bet on a single black trigger". I guess you can call the system a bit of a "pattern breaker" as the logic behind the bet is that we bet against a straight pattern like RR B RR B RR B RR B or BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR

System for: the grindy type of player who has patience.

The bet: You bet a single time on each trigger. If you win that single bet then you stay on the first step of the progression. If you loose you wait for the next trigger & bet the next step of the progression.

Trigger: original trigger is .. using Red/Black as example .. "colour changing", like if Black is trigger colour then with at trigger like RRRB or RRB or RB (aka a single Black just poped after a Red), then we bet that the next spin will give us a Red. The idea behind this trigger is to "win fast" while loosing should take a fair bit of time to form. Example RBRBRBR is 3 quick wins but loosing pattern could be 3 losses RBBRBBBBRRRRBBBBB. This give you time to think & adjust you progression if need be. (Unlike betting "colour streak" where RBRBRBRBRBRB become your fast progression  swalllowing killer enemy).

Progression: Marty or similar. Ive been using
1, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128 at first.
However have seen it hit step 6 & 7 so have adjusted to
1, 1, 2, 4, wait for virtual win, wait for virtual loss, 8, 16, 32, wait for virtual win, wait for virtual loss, 64, 128.

Example of gameplay using Red/Black (trigger Black): R (wait),R(wait),R (wait),B (trigger, bet 1 unit that next spin is Red) B (=loss, wait), B (wait), B (wait), R (Wait), R (wait), B (trigger, bet 1 unit that next spin is Red), B (loss, wait), R(wait), B (trigger, bet 2 units that next spin is Red), R (win, wait for next trigger).

Roulette vs Baccaret: So far been playing a bit of this with 10 unit starting bet (bankroll 600 units). A couple of times on roulette and a good handfull on Baccaret. Ran on 50% bankroll hit. R/B, O/E, H/L of roulette is basicly like Player(P)/Banker(B) in Baccaret. Must admit that im warming up to Baccaret as you can argue that the Banker 1:0.95 win back ratio isnt as good as 1:1, but than again you dont get the nasty roulette 0/00 eating your bankroll in baccaret as Tie (green) get you your money back so hitting those 2-3 "greens" in roulette dosnt happen in Baccaret & you progression last a bit longer. Also with this strategy you can simply choose Banker as trigger thus only winning on Player & bet & get the 1:1.

As always, dont use this on RNG and always use caution, this is not a holy grail, but so far its been giving profit.
I am Thunder Pants

Lucky7Red

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when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

Tinsoldiers

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DoctorSudoku

Quote from: Thanatos on Feb 06, 02:53 PM 2018

you can argue that the Banker 1:0.95 win back ratio isnt as good as 1:1,



The house edge for the Banker bet in baccarat is approximately 1.06% -- there is NOT one bet in roulette (even for the single zero wheel) that has a lower house edge than that.
What is the fastest way of destroying your bankroll at the casino?

Play roulette with GLC's progressions.

sugtips

Thanks God and Good Morning All.
Thank you Thanatos.

It took me a while to understand and practice this system, but the more I am playing, more I am loving it.

thanks a lot.

Love and Light.
SugTips.
If you think you can, You can. If you think you can't, you are right.

Thanatos

Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Feb 06, 08:14 PM 2018

The house edge for the Banker bet in baccarat is approximately 1.06% -- there is NOT one bet in roulette (even for the single zero wheel) that has a lower house edge than that.

Yes the house edge isnt too bad, unless you start betting on Tie of cause with its 14%-ish edge. I understand why everyone always yells really loud not to bet on Tie because of the edge .. but it also does make me a bit curious if it couldnt be played. The chance of a Tie is roughly the same as betting 4 numbers in roulette aka something that i dont hear people complain about much.

Quote from: sugtips on Feb 07, 08:57 AM 2018
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It took me a while to understand and practice this system, but the more I am playing, more I am loving it.
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Good to hear ;) and yes its not a fast system that is for sure, but that is also part of the "logic" behind it.
I am Thunder Pants

cht

For the regular 5% commission on banker bet the house edge for banker bet is 1.06%, player bet is 1.24%.

If there was no commission applied to banker bet, the punter has an edge of 1.24% over the house - exact inverse of player bet.

The reason for the lop-sided edge is because baccarat rules gives the banker bet positional advantage,  meaning it draws the 3rd card after it receives the info of the 4/5 drawn cards.

cht

Quote from: Thanatos on Feb 06, 02:53 PM 2018
Idea: to find the simplest EC bet & thus hopefully the safest & so should allow for the longest of progressions. Most EC bets usually involves mutiple bets on multiple EC's or has you playing continually. Like Wesley Snipes famous quote: "always bet on black" really felt wrong & should really have been like "only bet on a single black trigger". I guess you can call the system a bit of a "pattern breaker" as the logic behind the bet is that we bet against a straight pattern like RR B RR B RR B RR B or BB RR BB RR BB RR BB RR

System for: the grindy type of player who has patience.

The bet: You bet a single time on each trigger. If you win that single bet then you stay on the first step of the progression. If you loose you wait for the next trigger & bet the next step of the progression.

Trigger: original trigger is .. using Red/Black as example .. "colour changing", like if Black is trigger colour then with at trigger like RRRB or RRB or RB (aka a single Black just poped after a Red), then we bet that the next spin will give us a Red. The idea behind this trigger is to "win fast" while loosing should take a fair bit of time to form. Example RBRBRBR is 3 quick wins but loosing pattern could be 3 losses RBBRBBBBRRRRBBBBB. This give you time to think & adjust you progression if need be. (Unlike betting "colour streak" where RBRBRBRBRBRB become your fast progression  swalllowing killer enemy).

Progression: Marty or similar. Ive been using
1, 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128 at first.
However have seen it hit step 6 & 7 so have adjusted to
1, 1, 2, 4, wait for virtual win, wait for virtual loss, 8, 16, 32, wait for virtual win, wait for virtual loss, 64, 128.

Example of gameplay using Red/Black (trigger Black): R (wait),R(wait),R (wait),B (trigger, bet 1 unit that next spin is Red) B (=loss, wait), B (wait), B (wait), R (Wait), R (wait), B (trigger, bet 1 unit that next spin is Red), B (loss, wait), R(wait), B (trigger, bet 2 units that next spin is Red), R (win, wait for next trigger).

Roulette vs Baccaret: So far been playing a bit of this with 10 unit starting bet (bankroll 600 units). A couple of times on roulette and a good handfull on Baccaret. Ran on 50% bankroll hit. R/B, O/E, H/L of roulette is basicly like Player(P)/Banker(B) in Baccaret. Must admit that im warming up to Baccaret as you can argue that the Banker 1:0.95 win back ratio isnt as good as 1:1, but than again you dont get the nasty roulette 0/00 eating your bankroll in baccaret as Tie (green) get you your money back so hitting those 2-3 "greens" in roulette dosnt happen in Baccaret & you progression last a bit longer. Also with this strategy you can simply choose Banker as trigger thus only winning on Player & bet & get the 1:1.

As always, dont use this on RNG and always use caution, this is not a holy grail, but so far its been giving profit.
This bolded is not correct. Pls read above post.

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