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37 back to basics

Started by 6th-sense, Jun 09, 02:29 PM 2018

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nottophammer

6th
Been a while, is it too complicated getting a repeat. CHT reckons it’s easy and flat bet.
Now Mortagon don’t post anymore so I started using Random.org, then the general said a reliable source for spins and then low and behold Turner says use Random.org.
Have only a small set of data, 100 groups of 148 spins, why 148? Because all the starting 37 non-hit, have usually hit.
The question is when to start, we’ve been told to bet from spin 1, then is bet only those that hit above expectation, look to gaps, maybe drop some, it goes on and on, nothing is set in stone.
But let’s look at flat betting from spin 1, if we use the cycle of 37 spins, we need a bank of 703 units, but this flat bet makes its own progression as we only place 1 unit every spin, so as a number repeats it gets another unit, if repeats another unit.  20 wins are required, in the 37 spins.
Here is a 10/10 game with numbers supplied by Random.org



Just short of win goal, it gave 19 wins.
Another set from Random.org



Here it gets the 23 wins and its flat betting.
So betting from spin1 is not going to be a winner, but what would happen if bet from 1st R1? And build an aggressive progression, perhaps the 1,5,25

How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

So here are the 100 games of 148 spins.



Just like Mortagon spins 9/10 is the common for spins 1 to 10
Like all sets of data spins 11-40; 30 spins, again average is 15 point something, wrong to drop but if drop the point part it’s 15, so 15 non-hit and 15 repeats.
So it happens on ef-bet, j247.com and now Random.org for Turbo fans there’s 15 repeats on average in these 30 spins, when does R1 start and repeats go R1, R2, and R3,
Study
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

6th-sense

Cht is right...you can use the information I’ve given and flatbetting all the way...and no more than a 200 bankroll..the only thing I can say is one member on here is up nearly 2000 units flatbetting over 3 days...with the bet I gave him...
That member will remain anonymous..the vaddis bet is there or something better in what I have posted you just need to sit and think how to use it to your advantage..it can be done..the basics of a cycle doesn’t vary much..the balance of the the law of the third doesn’t vary much ..come on guys read and think...

Blueprint

It’s not a law.  Semantics, I guess.

Anastasius

Yo what's the actual 37 method ere? Also, what's wrong with waiting for twenty unique numbers and flat betting them for the next 17 spins... And adding any new numbers ....you will end up way more wins than loses since av 24 numbers end up out.
Boom boom sir

Bigbroben

And you'll end up waiting a hell of a long time until 20 uniques in 20.. !....
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Anastasius

Bigbro we know after so many unique the average no longer seems to be 24 but 26- I just wanted opinions.
Boom boom sir

6th-sense

Read again the beginning of the thread there is no waiting if 24 uniques

Bigbroben

Anastasius,


The graph shows from 1500 to 2500 trials of 1000 spins, each having an average of 3 games, so lets round up to 5000 games.

Here are the results of the games playing the hit nrs after 18-in-18 until spin 37.


Here the graph playing the unhits after 18-in 18:


This is Excel random, take it or leave it.

Back to drawing board!
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Mako

In going through dozens of older threads here and VLS, the threads that clearly provide the building blocks of people who have decoded and put into play David's system (Vaddi), this one specifically stands out. 

If you read it closely, and parse what 6th-sense is saying here, I'm convinced it leads where those of us who don't have a consistent play method utilizing flat-betting want to go.  It's not David's system exactly, but it doesn't have to be.  It just has to win.

I don't have the mind to put the puzzle together alone, but I can tell it's here. 

Ben, you may have dismissed this too quickly after the spin test, we should dive back in and resurrect discussion again.

junscissorhands

Very good mako, use ayk tracker and punch in those spins from all the spielbanken. The answer is there.
Don't be so naive.

nottophammer



Is it to complicated to use the paper tracker, when tables are busy no

You can see KTF, this game 10/10; so if you accept 15 non-hit should/could show at spins 39/40, you can see 37th there's the 25th so the 15 have hit, so 3 more spins, could all be repeats

The crossing at 16/16; 26th spin, do you think it would cross, look to KTF, spins 27/28 countback shows the TROT should be 19th non-hit, as you see spins 25/26; 21 non-hit's have hit, so what would be your decision?
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

Forgot
these are Eddies session 1
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

W.Gator
The above KTF 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 :thumbsup:

Repeat wait 20 start betting with 3; get to 6 #'s with 36 unit?  :thumbsup:
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

Bigbroben

Quote from: Mako on Aug 09, 03:56 PM 2018

Ben, you may have dismissed this too quickly after the spin test, we should dive back in and resurrect discussion again.

Did you mean the earlier test with 18 uniques in 18 play hit nr until spin 37?

If so, yes, I also thought we did not dig into it deep enough.  The info could be used to think/play otherwise.

Which brings me to the results of the test I ran this week with nrs from random.org.
Previous info: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20347.msg207755#msg207755

Using the 200k spins provided by Steve, creating 40k cycles of 40 spins, there was a discrepancy between theory and actual results, about what is the next spin result ( hit or unhit) when 1st repeater arrived at spin x (curve in %age):


First, with a 1st repeater on spin 17: repeaters hit 11,25% less than theory on next spin (142/370 instead of theorical 160/370).  Too small of a sample with 370 occurences?  Maybe.

A first repeater on spin 14 saw the next spin being a repeater 416/1292 times instead of 454/1292 times, -8% difference.

So we see divergences between theory and results so far on the very next spin after repeaters.

A new test with a different set of spins, down to 31k cycles of 40 spins, still from random.org, shows a difference of 10,37% when 1st repeater at spin8: 654/3132 instead of 592/3132 on theory.


Again, same discrepancy when a repeater his first on spin 18, but too few occurences to call it a stable value.

Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

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