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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 01:01 AM 2018
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I said that circular conversations about betting hot numbers is not helping us progress since it's been sufficiently demonstrated that we are barking up the wrong tree here. So by all means try to beat the game, but don't get too stuck listening to story-tellers who peddle hot numbers. Hotties is not the answer I'm afraid. It's done and dusted. I've already shown you a systematic demolition of hotties. Accept it and move on to another concept.


Falkor has already tested and analyzed Turbo's system, and found that it wasn't good enough to overcome the house edge.
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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 01:30 AM 2018
Ive disagreed with falkors logic on other matters. But in this case i agree with him. If you've made up your mind with falkor based on other matters, and dismiss his proof in this matter, then you're judging the person instead of the information.

Focus on the information. In this case, falkor has better logic and reason than turbo.

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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 03:24 AM 2018
We already know AP works, but some people don't like it.
I pointed to that many time ago, with suggestions to think, who they are. If you are a normal player, where is logic to deny, that works physic or mathematics?

Where is logic to fight against sun rise? I suggested for one guy to test his result with making chi square test, answer - "your chi-square test is bulshit! "
Mine !! :)
That's when I found what does work. Because I can win on any wheel, any table and any RNG - I don't need to be covert, I don't need a device, and I don't need a wheel malfunction to win.
Look - you are so smart in game, why not try to play on mine wheel on skype translation? All is very easy and simple - you can beat any wheel, so you will easily beat also mine. You do that and I confirm, that you that done with some numbers - for example, which chance, that your result is random.
Not try to beat the game, much easier to beat the wheel...

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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 06:03 AM 2018
A boring slugfest. OP of this thread is so right. Big egoes and little crumbs. Lot of people breaking forum rules and admin and moderator do nothing about it. May be they would like more traffic to the website.  Rules are nice and set the guidelines

5. Do not inhibit free expression of ideas / criticisms. Everyone should feel free to speak their mind without fear of being attacked or ridiculed.
Is Turbo being attacked for free expression of ideas and expressing what he has found and successfully demonstrated in multiple simulation sites? Is he being ridiculed by getting called a sociopath. Why is he always someone who has to prove something, while the so called "WE" the experts say the same old story of expectation is 1 in 37. Do we all have such big egos that we fail to understand people have free minds and they can always be led and misled.

9. No "baiting", which is where you brag about how great your system is, but you don't share anything except perhaps obscure details that lead people along. The forum is a place for open sharing. If you "bait" people, expect to be banned.
Is Turbo baiting if no one knows what his system is? Are his details obscure? Why is he not banned if he is not ready to expose more than obscure details of his system apart from some random examples like races and horses but still brag how great he is and his system is?

Let us please stop this madness. As if this is going to be heard.

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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 06:08 AM 2018
I pointed to that many time ago, with suggestions to think, who they are. If you are a normal player, where is logic to deny, that works physic or mathematics?

Where is logic to fight against sun rise? I suggested for one guy to test his result with making chi square test, answer - "your chi-square test is bulshit! "
Mine !! :)

Some people take it personally when told they're wrong. They put pride before truth, then block out logic. The ignorance harms themselves most because they don't learn and grow. 

We are all wrong at some stage. It takes more balls to admit mistakes than to deny ever being wrong. The only useful pride in this case is to be proud of having bails to admit being wrong.

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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 06:29 AM 2018
Is Turbo baiting

Yes he is. But as admin i need to know when rules need adjusting for particular members and situations. In this case i haven't banned him because, in some people's eyes, it would give credibility to his claims, because they believe im trying to censor any hg. Of course its rubbish, but I've allowed the charade to continue to give members time to see everything for what it is. The balance of free speech and deciding when enough bs is enough is delicate.

Let us please stop this madness. As if this is going to be heard

Its not so simple. What happens if harmful and misleading bs is left unchallenged? It does more harm. Its only natural the are two sides of the argument. What if I'm incorrect about turbo? I need to consider it a possibility too. But the problem here is members against turbo give logic, math and examples. All turbo gives is vague information, he clearly avoids important matters, makes contradictions, and some of claims are really absurd without logic. And the whole thing goes in circles. Turbo has no ammunition for his arguments. The best he has is results on clearly unrealistic games with play money, there the are lots of other winners too. The related math is clear, not opinion. But he really holds onto it and denies it. Why not acknowledge it? Why fight so hard?

There's much more,  but basically i try to maintain a fair balance as admin, but without bias i can say all information is overwhelming stacked against turbo, and i believe he has just wasted everyone's time.

At this stage im relying on at least the majority of members to wake up for themselves. Remember if i just ban him, some really dumb people will think I'm threatened by him. The important part is it will end up misleading more people. It happened before when i banned another self professed guru. They started their own forum, just for the disciples. It's a dead forum as the disciples learned better, but it took longer for them to learn, because nobody with logic was around to beat sense into them.

And to make it clear, if i only cared about a busy forum I'd shut my mouth and let ignorant discussion run rampant. I much prefer a less busy forum thats not full of shit. So as any experienced member, i say it how it is. It pisses some people off, and some leave, but too bad. Truth is truth. Besides, members with backbone are more productive and it makes a better forum. Again it comes back to balance with free speech, but knowing when to draw the line.

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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 06:50 AM 2018
Some people take it personally when told they're wrong. They put pride before truth, then block out logic. The ignorance harms themselves most because they don't learn and grow. 
Yes, all that fighting, denying say physical, or mathematical laws are done simply because peoples are angry and mostly they are angry on himself. They see, or know, or at least heard, that others win, but they cant, because, not learned something in right time and now - understand, that maybe are too late.
I met relatively many peoples from forums. Naturally, I tried met peoples who talk in forums that they are winners....but pitty, practical things show different.....
Not try to beat the game, much easier to beat the wheel...

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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 06:53 AM 2018
s he being ridiculed by getting called a sociopath
In fairness...Turbo called it himself first and Ed isnt complaining. I am sure he relishes the challenge.

Is Turbo baiting if no one knows what his system is?
who says they dont?

I cant ban Steve because he wont let me. I did ask nicely.

I cant ban General because he would cry so much to Steve that he would reverse it just to shut him up

I cant ban Turbo because he is far too good looking, and used to have a dashing mustache :thumbsup:



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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 07:05 AM 2018
Is Turbo being attacked for free expression of ideas and expressing what he has found and successfully demonstrated in multiple simulation sites?

Not exactly. You need to read my summary. i don't think you understand what's happening.

Is he being ridiculed by getting called a sociopath.

He said himself he has this condition.

Why is he always someone who has to prove something

Again you don't understand. He is the one who offered to prove he has the hg. He appeared to enjoy the attention. Thereis not exactly a demand for proof. He provided his own information and we rightfully responded.

while the so called "WE" the experts say the same old story of expectation is 1 in 37.

Ok so you don't actually understand what's being said, and think we have the problem. Maybe try and understand it better.

Do we all have such big egos that we fail to understand people have free minds and they can always be led and misled.

It's certainly not about ego for me. It's about productivity and truth.


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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 07:10 AM 2018
I cant ban Steve because he wont let me. I did ask nicely.

Im sorry the forum software doesn't let me ban me either. I didn't design and code this thing. It has flaws.

I cant ban General because he would cry so much to Steve that he would reverse it just to shut him up

He's one of the few that understand roulette. Unpopular, but solid understanding.

I cant ban Turbo because he is far too good looking, and used to have a dashing mustache

Looks like a 70's porn star to me. Not that it matters. 80% of the net is porn.

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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 07:14 AM 2018
Sure, I dont understand. Let me ask turbo here and if what he says is genuine he will accept this. It is no different from doing endless simulations and topping the leaderboard.

I open an online account in the online casino of his choice and deposit a 500$. Let us see those pretty graphs. No one to track what he is playing, no one to track what is happening. A genuine opportunity to show what is possible if his intention is real. He can put whatever condition to Steve to eat his words and stop this slugfest for once and all. Is he manning up to take this up or running with tails between his legs? Nothing to lose for Steve except swallowing up his own words and nothing to lose for turbo if his intention is real.

I very well know what is going to be the outcome. Opportunity will not be accepted and there will be a reason as well.


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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 07:21 AM 2018
Actually whether he accepts or not doesn't prove much. Most systems can at least double bankroll in the short term, then die.

If you see how the mpr leaderboard starts after reset, almost everyone was winning thousands. But eventually the house edge ate up almost everyone. Thats what happens with progression. Great at the start, then reality hits.

A proper test is automated testing over statistically significant amount of spins, with realistic conditions. But how to show that without revealing the system is the question. Ultimately though if he hasthe hg, he should just go win millions instead of dicking around with play money to try and convince strangers in the internet that he literally never loses and has the hg, don't you think?

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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 07:32 AM 2018
Actually whether he accepts or not doesn't prove much. Most systems can at least double bankroll in the short term, then die.
Are you worried now Steve? There is a big "can" there. Statistically significant need not be in millions and not even in 10 thousands. Somewhere turbo posted a graph which was growing steadily. As long as something is growing steadily without deep pockets and as much sample games to withhold the risk and establish that steady growth, we have a proof.

You will have to start somewhere. If he can make that 500$ to 10,000$ without making it vanish, then i dont need another proof. And you can have a go at another 500$ and try make it 10,000$ using one of those "Most" systems to disprove him that it is not enough. Being fair to both sides of the argument is important to understand that there is an argument and not just pushing ones views over the other.

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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 07:42 AM 2018
Are you worried now Steve?

I am completely crapping my pants. Sweating bullets. I don't know what to do.

ill show you rx system that easily increases bankroll 10x and eventually tanks.. i doubt anyone else has ever seen such a system.

Nevertheless, make your offerwith turbo, but have someone neutral verify the results. And use only an account name and casino you publish before starting  :thumbsup:

I'll be very impressed if he turns $3000 into $1m like with his play money.

But you're forgetting turbo prefers spending time to win play money. Real money doesn't interest him.

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Re: Secrets. Share or don’t share
Jul 04, 07:54 AM 2018
but have someone neutral verify the results
I am the neutral person here. As I said, I dont want 3000 to become 1 million. Please dont rub it in like players do before boxing. There is no need for any flake arguments here like play money, this is not worth, i can easily do this sleep etc. Put your money where your mouth is and prove it if you can.

I am just asking 500 to become 10000. And i dont need an rx code, i need you to prove that you can make 500 to 10000 as well if your intention to really make the world not believe in scammers. Both of your reputation is at stake and I would really welcome and encourage you both to come into common terms here as i clearly said nothign to lose, only everything to gain for both of you.

Will wait till Turbo wakes up.

 

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