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Aug 04, 04:08 PM 2018
I know it's a Roulette forum but no doubt a good few of us also love the game of Baccarat. So if it's not a problem to Steve or the mods, how about we discuss a bit of Baccarat in here.

This shoe was posted up in Andre's thread and someone asked for some suggestions.....so it was an opportunity for me to do a quick test based on what well known member Nickmsi proposed regarding a non-random strategy for roulette/Baccarat.

It's pretty simple really! All you are doing is grouping the hands into 3 and betting for a chop to appear on either the second or third result of the three hands. Nickmsi did some tests over several hundred thousand spins and the results were positive flat betting.

The example below was just using a 12 negative progression and produced a +7 result from 25 bet hands less the tax.

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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 04, 04:20 PM 2018
welcome back wiggy

i visit your american wheel spins thread often


i could never explain what nickmsi was doing perhaps you can explain
the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 04, 04:29 PM 2018
nolinkss://nolinks.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20148.0

i stopped with it

but maybe you can build on it
the key to winning with systems : play for a statistically irrelevant number of spins

nolinkss://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmJKY59NX8o

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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 04, 04:52 PM 2018
Hello Rich,

 There are many variations regarding non-random and VdW etc... To me at least, the simple ones are just as good as some of the more complex!

We can break up a baccarat shoe into segments of three hands and pick our spots to play, now as Nick says... ''When you play with a GROUP OF SPINS a dependency can be created, they are no longer independent spins.''

An edge was found by taking three spins and betting for the opposite/chop of the first hand on the second or third hand (stopping at a win) and then starting the process over again.

I have some Baccarat software which produces real hands and I can test a lot of these ideas fairly quickly to see how they hold up.

The generated shoe here produced....

LW
W
W
LW
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
LW
LL
LL
LW
W

For a +9 result (less tax) using a 12 negative progression.
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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 04, 04:57 PM 2018
nolinkss://nolinks.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20148.0

i stopped with it

but maybe you can build on it

Cheers mate, I can't remember reading that thread, mind you, I think my memory's going!  :xd:
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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 04, 05:09 PM 2018
im still quite not getting it

so if last 3 results were BBP then we bet for BBP not to occure again only on result 2 and 3?
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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 04, 05:23 PM 2018
Take the first hand (never bet on the first hand)

So suppose it's B.

Now bet it's opposite which is P. If you win here, stop and just let the third hand play out.

Suppose you lost and it was B again, bet for P.

The worst thing that can happen is either BBB or PPP because you will lose 2 bets whatever your MM.

So here are a few betting trigger examples.....

B comes first.....bet for P.
P comes....a win, now let the third hand play out and start again.

P comes first....bet for B.
P comes again....a loss, now bet for B which is the opposite/chop of the second hand.
P comes again.....another loss and the end of the three hand group, start again.

B comes first....bet for P.
B comes second....a loss, now bet for P which is the opposite/chop of the second hand.
P A win. Now start a new three hand group.

I think that should explain it.

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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 04, 05:25 PM 2018
thank you for the explanation

I am off to a craft beer/micro brew tasting for the night

I will re-visit this tomorrow
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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 04, 05:26 PM 2018
No worries mate, enjoy your night out, it sounds like fun!  :thumbsup:
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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 04, 08:31 PM 2018
I know it's a Roulette forum but no doubt a good few of us also love the game of Baccarat. So if it's not a problem to Steve or the mods, how about we discuss a bit of Baccarat in here.

This shoe was posted up in Andre's thread and someone asked for some suggestions.....so it was an opportunity for me to do a quick test based on what well known member Nickmsi proposed regarding a non-random strategy for roulette/Baccarat.

It's pretty simple really! All you are doing is grouping the hands into 3 and betting for a chop to appear on either the second or third result of the three hands. Nickmsi did some tests over several hundred thousand spins and the results were positive flat betting.

The example below was just using a 12 negative progression and produced a +7 result from 25 bet hands less the tax.

Thanks Wiggy for the info,but I can’t find any reasonable explanation why this betting pattern should win.

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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 05, 05:24 AM 2018
Kan@am@,

 For a better idea, watch the second video in the opening post and then read reply 25.

nolinkss://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-mathstatistics-to-beat-roulettebaccarat-part-2/

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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 05, 07:48 AM 2018
Thanks Wiggy.   I love the simplicity of Baccarrat.

This might be an easy way to grind out some comps. 

What I’m wondering though is each of the 8 outcomes equally likely?

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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 05, 10:50 AM 2018
Good question Blueprint, so I am going to run some tests to find out!
I can run batches of 100 shoes and then compile the results.
It's maybe the sort of thing that 'imspirit' compiled results for on his blog as well.
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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 05, 11:22 AM 2018
The two pictures below represent 100 shoes.
The first picture shows how many times each triplet appeared over the 100 shoes.
The second picture as an example shows where the triplet BBB appeared in those shoes.
I will put up the other 7 lots of triplets as well just so anyone interested where they appeared.

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Re: Baccarat Blog
Aug 05, 11:28 AM 2018
The following in order are...

BBP
BPP
BPB
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