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RNG verses Live Wheels.

Started by The General, Sep 18, 08:17 PM 2018

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The General



RNG 30k spins.  Source Random.org (Above)    The chi square is, as expected, quite random at only 42.85 
The graph of the numbers represents a standard deviation graph as the numbers would normally lay on a double zero wheel.





The wheel above is from a live wheel on the Las Vegas strip in a well known top of the line casino.  Again 30k spins.  Every spin has a date.   As you can tell the chi square is quite high at 246.23.   The standard deviation graph also shows a section that's walking away from the rest of the wheel.



The wheel above is another live wheel.  38,525 spins.  The chi again is quite high at 312.7 .   The standard deviation graph is also high.

Basic probability and The General are your friend.
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Bigbroben

I see...

Also 30k spins for the one below (or a significant amount of spins)?
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Madi

So you saying those number never get cold? How a clear fault escape from casino’s eye?

The General

Quote from: Bigbroben on Sep 18, 08:23 PM 2018
I see...

Also 30k spins for the one below (or a significant amount of spins)?

All of the wheels above have at least 30k spins or more.   Live wheels often begin to heavily diverge from RNGs much sooner than 30k spins.  It's just that at 30k spins even an amateur can begin to differentiate the two.  All of the live wheels above have a weak to moderate bias.   Every wheel to some degree or another is biased.  But not every wheel is biased enough to overcome the house edge.  Meaning, not every wheel is playable.
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Bigbroben

Got my answer by reading a second time!

The chi sq (42 or 236) is the absolute sum of all 37 sub-values?
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

The General

Quote from: Madi on Sep 18, 08:25 PM 2018
So you saying those number never get cold? How a clear fault escape from casino’s eye?

Madi,

That's actually a good question.  Yes, even biased numbers can go extended periods of time without hitting.  I've had even very strong biased numbers in the middle of a play go 200 spins without hitting.  It's rare on strong biased numbers, but it can and does sometimes happen due to variance.  The variance on such numbers is of course much smaller than it is on random numbers.  If you're interested in seeing what the max drawdowns are for the strongest numbers and the max number of spins that they have gone without hitting then I can provide that.  The key is to play enough spins to overcome the normal fluctuation of variance.  Overtime, the edge is such that the variance has a negligible effect on the final outcome.
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Bigbroben

So, would this mean: if it was easy to have access to the historic of last 30k spins of the wheels, pretty much anyone with enough patience and bankroll could do it?
I take this info must be kept away from the public? 

Say, what's the average life span of a wheel?  How many spins in how many years?
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

The General

Quote from: Bigbroben on Sep 18, 08:38 PM 2018
So, would this mean: if it was easy to have access to the historic of last 30k spins of the wheels, pretty much anyone with enough patience and bankroll could do it?
I take this info must be kept away from the public? 

Say, what's the average life span of a wheel?  How many spins in how many years?

I have some individual wheels with over 400k spins.
If I were to provide people with the data most people on this forum still would not be able to win.  The reason has to do with statistics, variance, foresight, and betting conditions.  Many people believe that they could win with their systems on a biased wheel, but they're often wrong.   The main problem is a short attention spin and a lack of foresight.
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Madi

Exactly what physical abnormalities cause these 5 number sector bias?

The General



I will say that on the third wheel it had some loose pocket inserts, and one raised fret.

On the others I ain't gonna tell though.
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Madi

Ok . I wont go for that . You got your special technique.

Next

Why other people cant win even they know about bias .?

What u actually do to overcome the normal varience and reach the target? I mean what wagering plan or money management?

Joe

General, you didn't answer Madi's question : how is that such wheels don't get noticed by the casinos? And are you suggesting that most wheels will show this kind of bias after 30k spins?
Logic. It's always in the way.

luckyfella

Goodbye everyone - 20/10/2019

Nimo

Quote from: The General on Sep 18, 08:17 PM 2018


RNG 30k spins.  Source Random.org (Above)    The chi square is, as expected, quite random at only 42.85 
The graph of the numbers represents a standard deviation graph as the numbers would normally lay on a double zero wheel.





The wheel above is from a live wheel on the Las Vegas strip in a well known top of the line casino.  Again 30k spins.  Every spin has a date.   As you can tell the chi square is quite high at 246.23.   The standard deviation graph also shows a section that's walking away from the rest of the wheel.



The wheel above is another live wheel.  38,525 spins.  The chi again is quite high at 312.7 .   The standard deviation graph is also high.

So what you are effectively saying is that a system played on RNG, that's based on the fact that things happen like they are supposed to, will happen like they are supposed to, because the chi doesn't get too much out of balance and can be relied upon even after 30,000 spins.  Hmmm did you just prove systems like GUT by Winkel and KTF by Not to work in the long run?
If all the world is a stage, who is left to be the audience?

Madi

Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 05:17 AM 2018
General, you didn't answer Madi's question : how is that such wheels don't get noticed by the casinos? And are you suggesting that most wheels will show this kind of bias after 30k spins?

What he shows us a very simple thing. Collect more spin and analysis of chi , SD. Wish it would be that simple. That much fault in 30k gues what will happen in 400k. General is a billionire.

What i got from general. He depends on past spin heavily and next spin doesnt matter for him.

The theory of next spin , he only use to stab system player.

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