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Started by Roulettebeater, Dec 18, 04:29 PM 2018

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The General



Why don't you make a graph like this that's easier to read?

Do you want me to help you with some software?
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
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Roulettebeater

Your graph is symbolic !

Mine is actual and obtained by validating every spin with the expected and actual for 1000 spins
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Bigbroben

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 12:52 PM 2018
Roben
I didn’t understand your question, can you explain it please. ?
Thanks

Yes.

There are only positive results, that is, from 0 to 37 or so.
If zero is the point where the ball leaves the track, ok.  But if zero is your bull's eye, certainly there must have been negative results, i.e. ball landing before your target, like 4 pockets counterclockwise.  Along with the positive value, where the ball lands further than expected...
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

The General

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:20 PM 2018
Your graph is symbolic !

Mine is actual and obtained by validating every spin with the expected and actual for 1000 spins

Roulettebeater,

Your graph doesn't make any sense. 
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Roulettebeater

Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:21 PM 2018
Yes.

There are only positive results, that is, from 0 to 37 or so.
If zero is the point where the ball leaves the track, ok.  But if zero is your bull's eye, certainly there must have been negative results, i.e. ball landing before your target, like 4 pockets counterclockwise.  Along with the positive value, where the ball lands further than expected...

hold on, your assumption is correct if I have two directions, to simplify the algorithm, I have picked only one direction and it’s CW (clockwise)

Ok ?
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

The General



Roulettebeater,

The graph above makes more sense than yours.
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Roulettebeater

Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 01:22 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,

Your graph doesn't make any sense.

General
I don’t think you have anything that I am missing.

though - thank you for offering the help !
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Roulettebeater

General

Like that, you won’t learn anything from me.

If you have any valid point, ask it ! But please calm down and come to the point, don’t try to overheat the discussion
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

The General

Roulettebeater,

I'm sorry, but you're really hard to follow.

First you say this..."roulette has a prebuilt edge for the house. that means there is no way to come ahead in the long term.
physics's law of motion can tell you where the ball is gonna leave the rim, although the bounce of the ball is  chaotic and unpredictable!"




And now you're trying to post graphs like this that you say prove you can predict using your "ingenious roulette machine".  ::)
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Roulettebeater

Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 01:27 PM 2018
Roulettebeater,

I'm sorry, but you're really hard to follow.

First you say this..."roulette has a prebuilt edge for the house. that means there is no way to come ahead in the long term.
physics's law of motion can tell you where the ball is gonna leave the rim, although the bounce of the ball is  chaotic and unpredictable!"




And now you're trying to post graphs like this that you say prove you can predict using your "ingenious roulette machine".  ::)

I still defend what I’ve said !
The game is protected by an edge.
And no system can win in the long term except AP that is based on physics.

And yes, the ball bounce is chaotic, but I wasn’t aware of the fact the ball bounce has a trend to follow, and it will be almost always the same.

So if you know the exit point, the task is almost done !
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

The General

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:31 PM 2018
I still defend what I’ve said !
The game is protected by an edge.
And no system can win in the long term except AP that is based on physics.

And yes, the ball bounce is chaotic, but I wasn’t aware of the fact the ball bounce has a trend to follow, and it will be almost always the same.

So if you know the exit point, the task is almost done !



You said that, and then a short time later you magically post your graph of what you say is 10k ball scatter distances.  (By the way, it was actually only 7100.)  So which is statement is true?
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Roulettebeater

Quote from: The General on Dec 20, 01:35 PM 2018


You said that, and then a short time later you magically post your graph of what you say is 10k ball scatter distances.  (By the way, it was actually only 7100.)  So which is statement is true?

General

Why the confidence is minimal among us ?

Do you think that i Test with pen and paper ?
Fancy that !

I automated the test, I took a chunk of 10k spins and imputed them into a software program, apparently 7100 spins were considered valid spins because they were recorded with spin direction !
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Bigbroben



Ok.  Let's say your calculated target is 0.  Ball lands on 21.  That would be +5, right?

Ball lands on 29.  This would be -7 or +30, right?  So your bull's eye spot, if playing 1/8th of the wheel, is the target +/-2 for a total of 5 nrs.  So, the worst results are the ones from 16-20, and your best from +35 to +2 (or -2/+2).

Right?
Life is hard, and then you die.
Mes pensées sont le dernier retranchement de ma liberté.

Roulettebeater

Quote from: Bigbroben on Dec 20, 01:39 PM 2018


Ok.  Let's say your calculated target is 0.  Ball lands on 21.  That would be +5, right?

Ball lands on 29.  This would be -7 or +30, right?  So your bull's eye spot, if playing 1/8th of the wheel, is the target +/-2 for a total of 5 nrs.  So, the worst results are the ones from 16-20, and your best from +35 to +2 (or -2/+2).

Right?

Exactly, you hit the nails on the head !
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

The General

Quote from: Roulettebeater on Dec 20, 01:39 PM 2018
General

Why the confidence is minimal among us ?

Do you think that i Test with pen and paper ?
Fancy that !

I automated the test, I took a chunk of 10k spins and imputed them into a software program, apparently 7100 spins were considered valid spins because they were recorded with spin direction !

What you're doing isn't VB!  You can't measure wheel speed using automated software LOL!!!  You're just chasing dealer signatures.

Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

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