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Started by Roulettebeater, May 21, 04:50 AM 2019

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Loc

Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 22, 04:42 PM 2019
you really need a bath or a shower!
i already wrote the details of each spin!!

why 12? sorry i can't say how the algorithm works!  the logic is complex, so i programmed it!
all i must do is input the data.. if you really want to know the logic or you think you are able to improve it..then its better you contact me ...

That's what we should do. Where can i talk with you? IF you don't have discord, then message me here, and say what you can say about the algorithm.

Firefox

This is a common problem I face with visual ballistics. I want to know the exit point.

If the prediction is way off it's down to one  or both of two things.

(a) Exit point prediction wrong
(b) Bounce or scatter was unusual eg Spinner or backward bounce.

If (a) I will want to know as I may need to adjust a parameter. If (b) I may just have to accept fate, so long as enough other scatter is sensibly predictable.

So exit point is important to adjust play. It can't be known exactly; sometimes the ball takes a shallow path, but it can be estimated within 3-5 pockets at worst. With the immersive,  they  usually show a slow mo so you have an opportunity to review this.

What worries me more is how the program can predict with just one result. Surely you would need say 50 spins in each direction to be worth playing or predicting.

Roulettebeater

Quote from: Firefox on May 22, 04:59 PM 2019
This is a common problem I face with visual ballistics. I want to know the exit point.

If the prediction is way off it's down to one  or both of two things.

(a) Exit point prediction wrong
(b) Bounce or scatter was unusual eg Spinner or backward bounce.

If (a) I will want to know as I may need to adjust a parameter. If (b) I may just have to accept fate, so long as enough other scatter is sensibly predictable.

So exit point is important to adjust play. It can't be known exactly; sometimes the ball takes a shallow path, but it can be estimated within 3-5 pockets at worst. With the immersive,  they  usually show a slow mo so you have an opportunity to review this.

What worries me more is how the program can predict with just one result. Surely you would need say 50 spins in each direction to be worth playing or predicting.

50 spins?  if you processing with your brain and have slow processing speed, then yes!
but the processing speed in programming is far beyond that limit!

A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Loc

Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 22, 05:10 PM 2019
50 spins?  if you processing with your brain and have slow processing speed, then yes!
but the processing speed in programming is far beyond that limit!

Man.. You need the data to predict with accuracy... Last exit or start points mean shit, anything can happned in the next spin..

Roulettebeater

Quote from: Loc on May 22, 05:12 PM 2019
Man.. You need the data to predict with accuracy... Last exit or start points mean shit, anything can happned in the next spin..

as u talk about accuracy, how would you rate the predictions in the video today?

bad,good, or very good?
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Loc

Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 22, 05:16 PM 2019
as u talk about accuracy, how would you rate the predictions in the video today?

bad,good, or very good?

Listen, 10, 20 , 30 spins means not much, unless you win 90%+ of them, then something could be on the place. The vid would be better, if you talked, but i get it. In this way you not gonna make it, last winning or starting number means almost nothing.
Also, like i said, if you don't wanna talk here, let's talk in private, but if you can't share any info, then how can anyone tell you, if that could work?

Firefox

50 spins = at least 50 spins .... I hoped that was obvious.

But, I don't see how you can make any claims with no data.

Predicting straight away, and being good with no previous data, it could be good luck or it could be a brilliant alg. Impossible to tell from this, sorry.

Roulettebeater

Quote from: Loc on May 22, 05:21 PM 2019
Listen, 10, 20 , 30 spins means not much, unless you win 90%+ of them, then something could be on the place. The vid would be better, if you talked, but i get it. In this way you not gonna make it, last winning or starting number means almost nothing.
Also, like i said, if you don't wanna talk here, let's talk in private, but if you can't share any info, then how can anyone tell you, if that could work?

you are clearly newbie
your think i use relation between number, while i dive deeper into cause and effect...
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Loc

Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 22, 05:28 PM 2019
you are clearly newbie
your think i use relation between number, while i dive deeper into cause and effect...

Man, you are incorrect.. He is damn right.  You need more data, and if it's PC, phone, or toilet paper doesn't matter, what matter is the data you got to predict from..

Roulettebeater

Quote from: Firefox on May 22, 05:25 PM 2019
50 spins = at least 50 spins .... I hoped that was obvious.

But, I don't see how you can make any claims with no data.

Predicting straight away, and being good with no previous data, it could be good luck or it could be a brilliant alg. Impossible to tell from this, sorry.

today i made a demo... just to show you how the prediction performing..
if you would like i can make for you a detailed analysis (privately)... unfortunately i can't run statistical assessment because i need more inputs else than spins result, in other words i need sets of data (launch, exit and result)...
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Roulettebeater

Quote from: Loc on May 22, 05:30 PM 2019
Man, you are incorrect.. He is damn right.  You need more data, and if it's PC, phone, or toilet paper doesn't matter, what matter is the data you got to predict from..

get out my head..
How much you messed up thie flow
i don't want to discuss with you.. just let it go
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Loc

Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 22, 05:36 PM 2019
get out my head..
How much you messed up thie flow
i don't want to discuss with you.. just let it go

You should, because he is right..

Roulettebeater

Guys

I expected more comments and reviews.
I feel disappointed, I think I will stop recording further sessions
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

Firefox

I'm not saying it is bad or good, just not enough data to say.

In any case only LOC and I replied, the other guys may be thinking the same as me, not enough data so didn't comment.

I wouldn't be discouraged by lack of comments on a forum though. Forums are slow in N.Hemisphere summer.

Roulettebeater

Quote from: Firefox on May 23, 09:41 AM 2019
I'm not saying it is bad or good, just not enough data to say.

In any case only LOC and I replied, the other guys may be thinking the same as me, not enough data so didn't comment.

I wouldn't be discouraged by lack of comments on a forum though. Forums are slow in N.Hemisphere summer.

It seems that most people want to play easy systems, such as notto’s gut system or ignatus layout systems... people don’t seem interested in physics based system ... anyway...

What do you mean with not much data ?

Should I gather millions of spins and test ? That’s not easy, because I need more than the spins, I need exit points and exact launch point !! How can I gather millions of datasets ! That gonna take ages !


One solution could be that I buy a real wheel and test by my own !
At the moment I don’t have a wheel , who can help me ?
A dollar won is twice as sweet as as a dollar earned

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