Over There but Here, Reading Randomness

[Richard Meisel]

Yes, who could tell the difference? I saw a list of about 12 tests they do for RNGs, way beyond a normal person's expertise. More about Odds: they cannot work with a CONSTANT Distribution like roulette. Odds can work with a CHANGING Distribution that is minusing that which is selected. For instance use a 52 deck of cards and take out a Jack and leave it out, and the Odds work.

[Richard Meisel]

Hi Gix. back at the other forum you posted something I can't find. It was a progression:.                                           
              1-1-1-1-1=5                                                   
    2-2-2-2=8                                                 
    4-4-4=12                                                         
        8-8=16                                 
          16=16    =57    Can you please tell me what this is for?

[gizmotron2]

A lot of people like to discuss progressions at these forums. A few of us like the original creations of John Patrick's "up & pull" type progressions. 2, 1, 2 for instance for EC bets.  I use one progression mainly, only. It involves EC bets too. I dropped the double dozen bets years ago. It works but it does not do any better than EC's. And double dozens dig big holes that need to be recovered from. I use a two step progression combined with flat betting. It works like this. 1, 20. I flat bet at 1 until I'm in a state of opportunity when I move up to 20. Once that condition changes I go back to 1.

Any other discussions on progressions was just to intrigue the chronic progression players.

[gizmotron2]

Hi Gix. back at the other forum you posted something I can't find. It was a progression:.                                           
              1-1-1-1-1=5                                                   
    2-2-2-2=8                                                 
    4-4-4=12                                                         
        8-8=16                                 
          16=16    =57    Can you please tell me what this is for?

I know what it might be. You take 5 units and let them ride 1 time for one of them 2 times for one of them, three times for 1 of them, etc...

so 1 becomes 2, then take it off --- at -3
--- 1 becomes 4, take that off --- at +1
--- 1 becomes 8, take that off --- at +9
--- 1 becomes 16, takes that off --- at +25
--- 1 becomes 32, keep it all --- +57

[huskerdu]

I use a two step progression combined with flat betting. It works like this. 1, 20. I flat bet at 1 until I'm in a state of opportunity when I move up to 20. Once that condition changes I go back to 1.

Giz, I have never heard of this kind of progression.
How do you decide that you are in a state of opportunity ?
When after flat betting of the 1 unit your bankroll has come to -20, so  then you flat bet with 20 units until you're plus with your bankroll?
Thanks

[gizmotron2]

How do you decide that you are in a state of opportunity ?
When after flat betting of the 1 unit your bankroll has come to -20, so  then you flat bet with 20 units until you're plus with your bankroll?

In the thread Reading Randomness, "over there" I make it a point to prove my point about opportunity by just focusing on one type of opportunity. I then go on later to suggest other characteristics of randomness. That first demonstration is in regards to seeing singles on the weak side across 6 different groupings of Even Chance bets. You might know of the odd/even, red/black, and the low/high EC's. I added three more groups in order to get to 6 groups made up of a total of 12 sets. Once you can see them occurring in a chart designed for them you can't go back to not seeing them.  I teach the reality that you can't know what the next spin or spins will do to the chart, but that you can place bets on things that are still continuing. So you wait for patterns of duration. An example would be a strong trend that when the singles on the weak side occur they do so for three times or less on the strong side. This is common enough. There are times when things like this jump from one group to another group, where there is a same trend occurring across the chart that lasts for intervals of like 8 to 10 spins or longer. This is all coincidental, in other words not magical. All it takes is gaining the skill to watch for these times. The more trained in the skill of opportunity recognition you are the more you see in the live play charts. So I built practice software so that you can gain that skill and experience. There is much much more to see than just singles on the weak side. I hope that helps in defining the degree to which I went into sharing this kind of playing. This is not another mystery system with a few clues here or there and drizzled out over months of discussion. It is something you can gain the skill to do, and go all the way with it, free of charge.

[precogmiles]

It is something you can gain the skill to do, and go all the way with it, free of charge.

Hi gizmo  can you give us a demonstration on MPR. It would be great to see the stats.

[gizmotron2]

Hi gizmo  can you give us a demonstration on MPR. It would be great to see the stats.

Are you talking about "The Mathematical Principles of Reinforcement?"

I don't know if I can or not. I will go this far though. I have no idea what the acronym is for. It's considered a lazy method of communicating if the acronym is not widely known. As far as the Chicago Book of Style goes you must use the full use of the acronym somewhere in the paragraph or page before using the acronym. An example would be TCA for Traffic Control Area because most people would not get it. But FBI or IRS would not need definition somewhere. So how stupid am I for not connecting with MPR?

[gizmotron2]

I found it, it's fun. It forces you to get bets down very fast or else.

[Taotie]

I have no idea what the acronym is for

multi player roulette - MPR

[gizmotron2]

multi player roulette - MPR

Good timing. Now how about a little "the plane boss, the plane."

[gizmotron2]

I got a question this morning from someone here so I thought I would tie it in with another discussion that took place here a while back.

...how about thinking backwards? Letting the roulette beat our random...

In this case: we think about a string of 4-5-6 random events and bet against them. Example: RED - HIGH - BLACK - BLACK - EVEN, (with a) 5 step martingale - total of 31 units bet. In case we lose this one, what are the chances to come back again consecutive? And I presume that we can recover pretty fast. Also, if one series of 5 events is won, we change it with some other different series (of a preselected) random (sequence).

What do you think?

Let's look at that other idea first:

I suggested another way to get an extra step out of it a few weeks ago, somewhere? But I like your 32 - 32 anyway.

( 1 - 1 - 2 - 4 - 8 - 16 ) = six steps, then 32 once or 16 twice.  In this method you get back your bankroll without adding that eventual one unit forward. So it's just recovery but at one less number of steps. Or it's half the bankroll to start out with 1 - 1.

5 steps at 16 potential loss is better because it uses less bankroll and therefor less distance to recover.

Reading randomness is meant to be flat bet.  An important part of this is in recovering with flat bets alone and at a selected time. You would only go after a progression styled recovery while in favorable conditions. The problem with progression player's tactics is that they tend to bet when they are in a confirmed losing streak. So the thing that might  work well is the 1-1-2-4-8 progression, recovery only, and use it when it is not in a swarm of first try losses. In other words, if you know Reading Randomness, you never place bets back to back that are losing unless you are still in a "singles on the weak side" condition.  I hope that makes sense because the tactic is not explained here.

Anyway, I will try a few sessions to see if I like it.  Casinos know when a player is using a Martingale. But they will not recognize this because you cool off with virtual or minimum sized bets while things are in that changed state of not working opportunistically. You then come back with step 2, 3, or 4, etc... when conditions are not a losing streak.  This all goes back to reading good timing.

With regards to the preselected string of bets used at an exact moment in time, that has been tested to death and fails enough to make it not worth it. But it has never been tested for each step of the way during more favorable conditions.

Now with regards to seeing favorable conditions there is only one thing to look out for. You must avoid the continuous sequence of first lost bets for each step of the progression. You don't want to keep stepping away in a losing streak. Reading Randomness is all about seeing these conditions and waiting for better conditions.  That skill is perquisite.

[Richard Meisel]

Hi Gix, Richard again, finally got a new computer. Tried to download your Software and my Dropbox says the file is missing. Tried about 4 times. Did you take it down, or what can I do to get it? Thanks.

[gizmotron2]

Hi Gix, Richard again, finally got a new computer. Tried to download your Software and my Dropbox says the file is missing. Tried about 4 times. Did you take it down, or what can I do to get it? Thanks.

I have  several software sims loaded up in the software section at the other website. I know I had something there in Dropbox that was a pain to download and extract. What software are you trying to get? I just downloaded and extracted the AI version for double dozens. It worked fine. No Dropbox required.  I remember a while back there was a dropbox link for something that I ended up taking down after they made it possible to upload zipped, compressed downloads, big enough to handle the packaged files.

[gizmotron2]

OK, I found the link that goes to nothing. It's in the instruction thread for using the 1.4 with graph version at:

gamblingforums DOT com/threads/reading-randomness-practice-software-1-4g-with-graph.15233/

You now must go to the software download section from the index page for that gambling forum where you will find all the stuff I have up for discussion.  This link to the instruction page should be added to the download page for the zipped file. The dropbox link is busted. I took the file down from there when they increased the download size for the hosting in the new software section.

The access link to the instructions is further down, after the download link for the zipped file.