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Ricky

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5k$ in 10K spins, not bad! 
Nice work Normy. I like your choice of settings especially min/max bets. I’ll run these with my data and see if I can improve my results

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Nice work Normy. I like your choice of settings especially min/max bets. I’ll run these with my data and see if I can improve my results

Did you complete the 2M spin test?
precognition is real. Good luck!

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It won't stand a chance. It was already proven to be a flat loser. Progressions won't help in the long run.
Nothing can beat random negative expectation games in the long run, until the expectation shifts to be a positive one.
Since no pattern related system changes the math based - expectation, all long term tests would lead to the same conclusion.

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It won't stand a chance. It was already proven to be a flat loser. Progressions won't help in the long run.
Nothing can beat random negative expectation games in the long run, until the expectation shifts to be a positive one.
Since no pattern related system changes the math based - expectation, all long term tests would lead to the same conclusion.

I think that you are right  :P

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B2B with  a Twist vs PRC  quick test
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Nice work Normy. I like your choice of settings especially min/max bets. I’ll run these with my data and see if I can improve my results
Over the weekend I decided to experiment by changing the parameters slightly. Instead of betting a max of 8 numbers, I tried betting a max of 10, 12 and 14 numbers. The charts produced were similar to the charts when a max of 8 numbers only were used.  Nothing significant to report here.

The other thing I tested was isolating the different events. For example, I ran tests where I only selected gaps. I ran another series of tests where I only selected repeats from doubles and finally another series where I only selected doubles from repeats. Again, nothing significant. The charts produced had a consistent series of dips and rises.

One series of tests which showed interesting results was selecting hit doubles after 18 spins. The charts these tests produced also had dips and rises but they remained consistently in profit. These tests were all flat bet. Definitely worth running more tests here.

How did your testing finish up Ricky?


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Nice work Jono,

Firstly, my initial run using the Ferrari calculator, MM controls which I will explain next, and the 18 spin repeats bet selection, showed that the system can sustain a long period of spins and produce a profit. However, it was not susceptable to the inevitable losing streak which over time will overcome all previous profits. So this has prompted my to enhance the system to allow a more controlled recovery process which can be configured to identify those losing streak and adjust bets accordingly. Once I have completed initial testing I will release it for beta testing so others can identify best parameters that will create a robust system.

Secondly, I like the fact you are testing flatbet. This helps to identify "best" bet selection and most advanageous min/max numbers to bet. It helps to identify best max bets per number and max bets per session as well as set cycle stop loss and target win goal so you can avoid unprofitable cycles eating into your bankroll.

Last, let me share from experience and as Normy has discovered, the ONLY way to generate a long term profitable system is to use the Ferrari Calculator. It was named Ferrari for the obvious reason that, given a large enough bankroll, and a favourable bet selection, it guaranteed a win of  a session. As with all progressions, it is not fraught with danger. There will be occasions where a spin cycle could wipe out your bankroll if you do not introduce a reasonable stop.

However, introducing stops requires you to "recover" this loss somehow.
You could just accept the loss and restart hoping to recover through more profitable sessions.

Or you could quantify the loss and play a subgame with a goal of recovering this loss through a series of recovery sessions. Each session will be calculated to not recover the loss entirely, but gradually eat away at the recovery amount over a series of cycles. With each win you are closer to eliminating the loss.

This is what I am currently testing. It will then need testers like yourself to identify the "sweet spot" between using a Ferrari based progression, stop loss and recovery cycle which will over many millions of spins will end up in profit and not ruin your bankroll "Guaranteed"

I will leave you at this for now so you can concentrate on bet selection and using the RX code.

I will report back by the weekend with my next explanation on the Bankroll Management (first Screen).

Cheers,
Ricky

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And just to keep you in suspense on the performance of the enhancement, initial testing is promissing  :D

This is without MM controls so I can establish best controls and see how the recovery process works long term. See each dip and how it recovers. So far so good. No dramatic wipeouts


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Impressive! Can you give us the settings so we can continue your work and not to start over the whole process
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And just to keep you in suspense on the performance of the enhancement, initial testing is promissing  :D

This is without MM controls so I can establish best controls and see how the recovery process works long term. See each dip and how it recovers. So far so good. No dramatic wipeouts

Great work Ricky,  thanks for continuing to share your results. Your theories on money management make a lot of sense, its great to see you applying them to your testing.

I'm continuing to run a series of RX and manual tests.

Really good to see this thread getting plenty of exposure.

Cheers

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Ok here is the final version I will be posting public for those who are actively testing. There are a few changes to this version which I will summarize. But for those who are helping test this I will explain in more details offline.

1. Screen 1 is the Bankroll Management screen which until now you would have been disabling. It helps to tests what impact introducing Stops into your play has on your overall Capital (Fighting Fund). The major change is in the use of the Bankroll and how it is charted in RX. In previous version the RX graph only shows the Bankroll growing in the session. If you activate MM controls the Bankroll would get reset after each session back to 10% of your Fighting Fund and you never get to see the Final value of your Capital position after completing your spins test.
This version will set the RX bankroll to the total Value of the Fighting Fund but will manage your actual bankroll you are betting with internally.

2. Changed how Ferrari Calculator works by default. Now only recalculates accummulated losses after each cycle not each spin. So it may take several wins to get to a new high. To continue recalculating after each spin set the "Aggressive Mode" flag

3. Implemented an improved recovery process to help avoid large losses during a losing streak.

4. Introduced the ability to have a custom recovery method and progression method different to the Normal Methods used when not in recovery mode. Not implemented fully for public version.

Let me know if you have any questions using the new version or if you discover any obvious bugs

A sample graph of current test being performed is also shown for reference
Cheers,
Ricky

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Ok here is the final version I will be posting public for those who are actively testing. There are a few changes to this version which I will summarize. But for those who are helping test this I will explain in more details offline.

1. Screen 1 is the Bankroll Management screen which until now you would have been disabling. It helps to tests what impact introducing Stops into your play has on your overall Capital (Fighting Fund). The major change is in the use of the Bankroll and how it is charted in RX. In previous version the RX graph only shows the Bankroll growing in the session. If you activate MM controls the Bankroll would get reset after each session back to 10% of your Fighting Fund and you never get to see the Final value of your Capital position after completing your spins test.
This version will set the RX bankroll to the total Value of the Fighting Fund but will manage your actual bankroll you are betting with internally.

2. Changed how Ferrari Calculator works by default. Now only recalculates accummulated losses after each cycle not each spin. So it may take several wins to get to a new high. To continue recalculating after each spin set the "Aggressive Mode" flag

3. Implemented an improved recovery process to help avoid large losses during a losing streak.

4. Introduced the ability to have a custom recovery method and progression method different to the Normal Methods used when not in recovery mode. Not implemented fully for public version.

Let me know if you have any questions using the new version or if you discover any obvious bugs

A sample graph of current test being performed is also shown for reference
Cheers,
Ricky

Thanks Ricky - I will begin testing soon.

Just to confirm, when opening B2B V2.1, it defaults to 'Select hit doubles after 18 spins'. The following options have not been activated: 'Select gaps', 'Select doubles from repeats', 'Select repeats from doubles'. I just wanted to confirm that we should in fact be the later options.

I want to make sure my testing is accurate.

Thanks Ricky

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Just to confirm, when opening B2B V2.1, it defaults to 'Select hit doubles after 18 spins'. The following options have not been activated: 'Select gaps', 'Select doubles from repeats', 'Select repeats from doubles'. I just wanted to confirm that we should in fact be the later options.
Unfortunately we need to hardcode the defaults in the RX design. I wrote to UX software to see if we can read inputs from a file and output results to a file to resolve this hardcoding issue but no reply.

The settings I saved were what I was testing last. To change your copy locally you can edit the last method labelled  "Select Input Information" and locate the parameter you wish to change. You can then enter whatever values you are currently testing.

Important parameters you can change as required are below.

put 35 to record "BRS:Win per Cycle" data
put 1200 to record "BRS:Loss per Cycle" data
set Flag "Aggressive Mode" to false
put 37 to Record "BRS:Cycle Length" data
put 8 to Record "BRS:Max Bets" data
put 999999 to record "BRS:Max Cycles" data
put 250 to record "BRS:Ferrari Reset on Loss Limit" data
put 35 to record "BRS:Ferrari Min Profit" data
set Flag "Ignore MM Controls" to true
put 1 to record "BRS:MinBetNumbers" data
put 4 to record "BRS:MaxBetNumbers" data
put 0 to Record "B2B:NoBetSpins" data
put 8 to record "B2B:Max Bets per Cycle" data
set flag "B2B Use Table Layout" to true
set flag "B2B Use Wheel Layout" to false
set flag "B2B Select Repeats From Doubles" to false
set flag "B2B Select Doubles From Repeats" to false
set flag "B2B Select Gaps" to false
set flag "B2B Select Repeat Doubles 18spins" to true

So to change the B2B methods you can set the appropriate ones to true and to disable others set it to false

Cheers,
Ricky

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doesn't matter what value i set for bankroll, it always starts from 0
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Ok here is the final version I will be posting public for those who are actively testing. There are a few changes to this version which I will summarize. But for those who are helping test this I will explain in more details offline.

1. Screen 1 is the Bankroll Management screen which until now you would have been disabling. It helps to tests what impact introducing Stops into your play has on your overall Capital (Fighting Fund). The major change is in the use of the Bankroll and how it is charted in RX. In previous version the RX graph only shows the Bankroll growing in the session. If you activate MM controls the Bankroll would get reset after each session back to 10% of your Fighting Fund and you never get to see the Final value of your Capital position after completing your spins test.
This version will set the RX bankroll to the total Value of the Fighting Fund but will manage your actual bankroll you are betting with internally.

2. Changed how Ferrari Calculator works by default. Now only recalculates accummulated losses after each cycle not each spin. So it may take several wins to get to a new high. To continue recalculating after each spin set the "Aggressive Mode" flag

3. Implemented an improved recovery process to help avoid large losses during a losing streak.

4. Introduced the ability to have a custom recovery method and progression method different to the Normal Methods used when not in recovery mode. Not implemented fully for public version.

Let me know if you have any questions using the new version or if you discover any obvious bugs

A sample graph of current test being performed is also shown for reference
Cheers,
Ricky

pls show setting

 

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