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#### 2BobBet

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Jul 18, 06:09 AM 2020
Thanks for posting this , just want to clarify I have understood how to play  .

Pick a number from whichever sector has at least a  number which have  won 50 units within , say 37/74 spins ?

Start to bet from a number within that sector after a hit  within that sector range ?

Keep betting that sector in a clockwise direction until you reach 50 units won ?

Hope i have this correct , thanks again for posting always interested in your posts and knowledge .

#### winkel

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Jul 18, 07:08 PM 2020
Thanks for posting this , just want to clarify I have understood how to play  .

Pick a number from whichever sector has at least a  number which have  won 50 units within , say 37/74 spins ?

Start to bet from a number within that sector after a hit  within that sector range ?

Keep betting that sector in a clockwise direction until you reach 50 units won ?

Hope i have this correct , thanks again for posting always interested in your posts and knowledge .

As I understand your post, you should read from the beginning. It is not about sectors. It is a 8line betset of numbers.
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#### 2BobBet

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Jul 19, 06:45 AM 2020
Thanks , so its not in wheel numerical order ?

It can be any 8 nos from around the wheel .

Example 26 ,0, 32 has won a min 50 units , number 24,16 and 33 has won a min 50 units ,  number 9 and 22 has won a min of 50 units  .

First number played 26 miss , play 0, 32 miss , play 24,16 and 33 ect until you play all 8 numbers for the last betting opportunity .

Start betting after one of the above numbers has just hit ?

Thanks for your help , hope i have understood correctly this time !

#### winkel

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Jul 19, 07:12 AM 2020
example fo Zero

0
32, 15
19, 4, 21
2, 25, 17, 34
6, 21, 13 ,36, 11
30, 8 ,23 ,10, 5 ,24
16, 33 ,1 ,20 ,14 ,31 9
22 ,18 ,29, 7, 28, 12, 35, 3, 26

1. bet Zero
2. bet 32 15
3. bet 19 4 21
and so on.

If you wanna start with another number bet around the wheel clockwise
example #3

3
26 0
32 15 19
4 21 2 25
17 34 6 27 13
and so on
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#### quos

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Jul 19, 12:37 PM 2020
Hi winkel!

What is the original topic of Hans Dampf?
Are there variants?

Thanks!!!

#### winkel

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Jul 19, 04:56 PM 2020
Hi winkel!

What is the original topic of Hans Dampf?
Are there variants?

Thanks!!!

Hans Dampf only presented the bet-lines starting with 32

All other deeper analysis and all the tests by me.

I also tested and dismissed as possible variant:
CCW: counterclockwise
tic tac: means adding on the left then edding on the right then on the left and so on
other structure of bettinglines: 5 #s per line, 7#s per line and so on
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#### winkel

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Aug 02, 06:55 AM 2020
Two weekes later - No further questions - No comments - All are winning?

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#### quos

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Aug 03, 06:47 AM 2020
Hi Winkel!

The maximum drop reached in my tests was -450 chips and just over 500 spins.
is there any way to decrease the number of spins and drawdown?

Thaks!!

#### winkel

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Aug 03, 09:47 AM 2020
start betting second spin with the line you find the result of first spin.
depends on the set you want  to bet.
see first post.

On the other hand I said limi -150 unit.
You can avoid it by jumping the line like mentioned above.
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#### quos

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Aug 03, 10:22 AM 2020
On the other hand I said limi -150 unit.
You can avoid it by jumping the line like mentioned above.

yes that's how I'm doing it.

example fo Zero

0
32, 15
19, 4, 21
2, 25, 17, 34
6, 21, 13 ,36, 11
30, 8 ,23 ,10, 5 ,24
16, 33 ,1 ,20 ,14 ,31 9
22 ,18 ,29, 7, 28, 12, 35, 3, 26

for example if 1st spin is number 25, then in 2st spin we bet 2,25,17,34, 3th spin we bet 6, 21, 13 ,36, 11, 4th spin we bet 30, 8 ,23 ,10, 5 ,24, then 16, 33 ,1 ,20 ,14 ,31 9, then 22 ,18 ,29, 7, 28, 12, 35, 3, 26, then 0, then 32,15..........And so we continue betting cyclically until we win our goal of 50 chips or lose 150.

it is right?

Thanks!!

#### winkel

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Aug 03, 02:07 PM 2020
thats it! ok!
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#### klw

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Aug 03, 06:15 PM 2020
rarely more than two rotations

Hi Winkel.

From my testing so far , I have only reached a positive total ( not 50 chips , sometimes more sometimes less )  in approximately 42% of my sessions within 2 rotations . This is a long way from " rarely more than 2 rotations " to reach 50 chips. I believe I have followed the rules exactly as you described.

You also say that the system is not about sectors but the 8  line bet and this puzzles me as to how it works at all as the pocket movement clockwise in general is just random and does not move in a chronological way as your bets do.

Do you just bet all 8 lines continuously until a target is hit or do you filter your bets somehow ?

It is a very interesting concept.

Cheers.

#### winkel

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Aug 03, 06:44 PM 2020
Hi Winkel.

You also say that the system is not about sectors but the 8  line bet and this puzzles me as to how it works at all as the pocket movement clockwise in general is just random and does not move in a chronological way as your bets do.

Do you just bet all 8 lines continuously until a target is hit or do you filter your bets somehow ?

It is a very interesting concept.

Cheers.

hi klw,

i cannot comment your results as I don´t know the spins and the sequences you selected.

In a german forum we build a very busy working grooup to detect why it works.
It is still a mystery.
And we try to detect
- the winning starting-point if you play a certain sequence
- the winning sequence if you don´t prepare one

if we have results I will tell
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#### klw

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Aug 04, 05:57 AM 2020

The system appears to  rely on being in synch. with the dealer. If you have pocket movements of between 1 and 15 then the system has a chance of a nice run , if you have a dealer who regularly spins pocket movements of 16 + then the system is going to have a tough day.

Pocket movements of 16 + account for over 50% of all pocket movements in a clockwise direction in general.

I was involved in a study of pocket movement a long time ago and from memory 11/12 pockets from the last number spun seemed to provide a very, very small edge. If this is the case then only the last 3 lines of your betting layout are able to capture this movement. It might also point to the first 5 betting lines being solely down to luck ? Unless of course picking the right number to play comes into the equation ?

It would be interesting to see a betting system based on  5 x 7/8 pockets or 4 x 9 pockets or even better still a pocket system based on dealer signature. Do you have a crystal ball ?

Look forward to any results you may come to.

Cheers.

#### winkel

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##### Re: Play the wheel
Aug 04, 07:31 AM 2020

I was involved in a study of pocket movement a long time ago and from memory 11/12 pockets from the last number spun seemed to provide a very, very small edge. If this is the case then only the last 3 lines of your betting layout are able to capture this movement. It might also point to the first 5 betting lines being solely down to luck ? Unless of course picking the right number to play comes into the equation ?

It would be interesting to see a betting system based on  5 x 7/8 pockets or 4 x 9 pockets or even better still a pocket system based on dealer signature. Do you have a crystal ball ?

You don´t need a crystal ball!
You can´t hope that the dealer will fall into a rythm that makes you win.

The first idea of the dampf-strategy is just to walk around an wait for the luck to cross your way.
Because it takes different step-sizes it is like  this:

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