What platform do YOU recommend

[superman]

Hi Guys

OK as most of you know, I am able to program and have my own bot, currently this only works on Playtech european roulette, its the easiest to read the numbers from, I created it for playtech as a few years ago I purchased roulette bor pro (cr@p to say the least) anyway lately a few members have asked me to bot their systems, all free, just for testing purposes, well, playtech spat them out with losses.

So, I am now prepared to see if I can set the bot up for a different roulette platform but before I do, those of you that say playtech is cheating or "an unfair" RNG, but you never give reasons, please tell me which platform to work on. Personally I don't believe there is a "fair" RNG, if there was why are you all here? don't tell me you lose twice as much on playtech as you do on A N Other, if Chelsea lose 1 nil or 10 nil, it's a loss, isn't it?

So please, tell me the platform and why.

[iggiv]

betvoyager. i am not sure it is 100% safe, but at least not as crazy rigged as Playtech RNG.
Basically it looks fair.

i also heard that Microgaming is much more fair than Playtech.
Yes, Playtech is rigged no doubt about it. You can try it yourself if you can spend a few bucks for an experiment.

try playing in RX some simple method like betting 2 dozens or 1 dozen, or something like this.
Mark your averages losses. Then do the same with Playtech. U will see that your losses will almost always be BIGGER.

so to fool Playtech u need some tricky tactics.

I can give u another idea. If u want a bot for for testing purposes make it for RX. Testing won't cost any money

[Bayes]

Ditto betvoyager. I've been playing there for a couple of years and have no reason to believe any games are fixed (plus they have "randomness control").

The table limits are pretty good in roulette, and of course, zero edge versions of all the games.

[superman]

If you want a bot for for testing purposes make it for RX

Good idea iggiv, already did that about a year ago, same results, fail fail fail.

After the bot for RX I decided to concentrate on a proper roulette platform, incase a method was found that worked. I noticed I was running an rx script then the rx bot with the same results.

OK thats 2 for betvoyager, I had that in the back of my mind Jules

[Fripper]

I say betvoyager.

I have played there several months without any problems, can't see that they are cheating on me. It has always been just random.

[superman]

OK just signed up at betvoyager, just so we are all on the same page we are talking about No Zero roulette aren't we?

If so, when I click settings the popup is empty, can the game be speeded up or does it play in slow motion at all times?

[chrisbis]

Here's my input for what's its worth before its too late to attend this brilliant sounding party.

Please make bot available to play on Paddy Power Airball/Slingshot.

I have had a lot of success at this video feed wheel.
There no need for free spin coverage, as the wheel gives one spin result every 50-52 seconds, so better than one spin per minute.

For an auto bot, its a little slower, but these are as genuine real spins as I have seen.


(If someone has stats for Airball results- I'd love to see them)

I think Twisteruk has a list of other Airball too.

Does anyone have any other?


Couple of problems with other platforms:-

Higher minimum bet levels.
Low maximum limits.
No free spin on some other platforms, esp Real Time Gaming.

Some Micro-gaming has minimum $2 stake

Same on some Real time, when U play with free bonus money.

The "values" of bets may be too 'tight' for large levels of progressions, so U may have to play very safe Fibonacci progressions or other very low 'bridge' increases. Or just bet flat.

Just watch U head as U duck under that low bridge will U!!  

[ThomasGrant]

a few years ago I purchased roulette bor pro (cr@p to say the least)

Well... don't know what to say to that.
I don't agree with you.
But I know some that have purchased it and don't like it.
Can't please everyone I guess.

Perhaps this is why you have not sent me a copy of your bot.
I am interested in it.
I am interested in all things to do with bots.
Especially when they play roulette.
May I then make a formal request to receive a copy of your bot please.
Been following yours and Chris thread with interest.

Thank you.

[superman]

OK I have removed some posts, by Fripper, iggiv, TwisterUK and Bayes to keep the thread shortish, they were all discussing the slowness/lag of the betvoyager platform which can take upto a minute to do 1 spin.

@ Thomas

My reason for thinking rbp is not worth the money is because it did the usual wait X spins for something to NOT happen then marty until hit OR loss of bankroll, I know it can work if you are prepared to set everything so high that it hardly places any bets as its waiting for something that only happens once or twice per X-thousands of spins, even Matt says you wont win everytime you use it, you may lose etc etc

As you may have read in Chris' thread, about his pregnancy, we have 3 tools currently and are trying to decide which to proceed with, they are

3 dozens in standard form, the original that started this all, 30 step marty betting all 3 dozens at the same time

3 dozens wave, we rotate the progressions eg from Dozen a to Dozen b to Dozen c over and over, we worked out that if a dozen hits 3 times (or more) it will level all 3 progressions.

The ripple, just messing around with this one, it bets on columns and dozens, only 1 of each though, just testing the progression limits, it starts on DA & CA then moves with each spin to DB & CB then DC & CC then goes back again like a ripple on a pond

Chris is currently doing full day runs on each, they all have the 30 step progresion in them now so we just want to see who goes the furthest.

To keep files at a minimum and avoid confusion for myself, having different folders for different users all containing different settings I will send you the standard 3 dozen tool to test if you are prepared to let it run for many hours at a time, as stated, it only works on playtech currently, let me know if you would like to try it out.

[superman]

OK betvoyager bot fully working and had its first test run, it wasn't good.

The system/method I ran was a streets system passed to me by a member who claimed it never goes past a certain point in progression, well, playtech spat it out and now so too has betvoyager, playtech took minutes betvoyager took hours to reach the same point, it's like watching the grass grow, but that's besides the point.

So my question, is play mode easier in betvoyager?

I am tempted to run the 3 dozen method (ChrisB pregnancy thread) but the time it's going to take to see a good result set is putting me off completely.

May test some simpler methods before that, but not today, I've seen enough of the betvoyager table for today.

[iggiv]

OK betvoyager bot fully working and had its first test run, it wasn't good.

The system/method I ran was a streets system passed to me by a member who claimed it never goes past a certain point in progression, well, playtech spat it out and now so too has betvoyager, playtech took minutes betvoyager took hours to reach the same point, it's like watching the grass grow, but that's besides the point.

So my question, is play mode easier in betvoyager?

I am tempted to run the 3 dozen method (ChrisB pregnancy thread) but the time it's going to take to see a good result set is putting me off completely.

May test some simpler methods before that, but not today, I've seen enough of the betvoyager table for today.

Superman, those results you can more or less trust (especially compared to playtech RNG), from RX and betvoyager. even BV fun play or demo mode. I haven't seen much difference between betvoyager demo, fun and real mode. It does not mean though that it is 100% safe, but
certainly it does have much more sense testing there than in playtech fun mode.

also if you could create a bot which could take spin results and then play with them that could be great.

by the way why don't use real spin results with RX (not RX RNG I mean).

[iggiv]

So my question, is play mode easier in betvoyager?

i think playtech fun mode is programmed to be especially easier than real life. But the problem with it is -- it is still especially PROGRAMMED. it is not real life. So in reality some things with this mode could be of course looking different and in some tactics (which were  not counted and included in their algorithms) it can be harder. For sure they included usual Martingale (red/black, h/l, e/o)  to win easily, but also this is pseudoRNG, so sometimes it must behave as real RNG too. Remember, those algorithms are very complicated, not just one programmer has been working on this stuff, and they update their stuff all the time.


there was one guy, ex-playtech programmer (as he told about himself) on old VLS and he did give some hints from which you can make some conclusions. He didn't deny the fact that this is not real randomness and he did not deny the simple fact that their real money RNG is programmed that way that it basically can't be defeated by regular methods (which still may work in real roulette from time to time).

then he even claimed that he is gonna show folks how that damned RNG CAN BE DEFEATED. then suddenly something happened. Next time he told the forum that Playtech contacted him... And after this he just disappeared from the forum.

of course all that does not mean that this story is 100% true. He could be some kind of an intellegent joker as wel

[superman]

Hi iggiv, thanks for the comments,

playtech fun mode is programmed to be especially easier than real life

Then why can't we beat it?

ex-playtech programmer

Yes I watched that thread too. Pity he vanished, wether he did work there or not could be the question too, with gambling there so much noise, people claiming hg, people having preferences to b&m versus online live versus rng, people planting for casinos, you know, this new mathematical system will work at the following casino and it goes on and on.

by the way why don't use real spin results with RX (not RX RNG I mean)

Yeah like I said a while back, my first ever bot played against RX, numbers I gathered from forums etc, rng, live, the usual stuff people pass around.

Well, I wont kick BV into touch just yet, am busy coding the 3 dozens into it so I can leave it running tonight while I sleep, cause I aint gonna sit through that lot, it's a pity BV is so slow.

The reason I keep searching is there are millions of people who can't be bothered going to a B&M casino or hate waiting for the online live games they play RNG because its fast, I've been searching for a few years now, I dont need the money, it would be nice of course, but there's no desperation for me, the search continues then.

[iggiv]

Superman, I don't think that betting on cold is a good idea. It has been proven for centuries that this won't work. Even betting random with some progressions will work better I think.

Look, i am betting random dozen here with progression. Don't u think it is a better scenario than your betting on  cold dozens

[superman]

Scared stiff on live wheel..........

After making the bot for BetVoyager I decided yesterday to do one for DublinBet live roulette, well as usual it took a day to do and test it was getting the correct feedback at the right moment, it all worked so I decided to just chuck a method in and let it run, glad I was in free mode as I played RBRBRBRB........ and guess what came along, a 17 colour chop AGAINST me, needless to say it ran out of chips very quick as I was using good old marty.

I have seen chops in RNG around that size, usually they include a zero for good measure, bu they dont seem to go for 17, maybe 12 - 14 RNG seems to always drop a SAL along the way, am now going to setup a test bot to see how often and how long a chop can be found on RNG.

Maybe RNG is fairer than the real deal!!! because computer random has limits on its search for numeric equalisation as thats what it does in a random function, but real life physics has no limits.