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#### Wally Gator

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jul 05, 03:24 PM 2018
I hope you noticed that this doesn´t bet any particular single number but bets every spin any other number.
And:
We don´t play a plein-system we just bet a progression on plein-chance

Winkel, can you share how you determined those random “any other number” selections for the sessions from Denzie,, etc ...

Thank you.
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#### Wally Gator

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jul 05, 09:05 PM 2018
I reread your posts and now understand what you are doing.  Thanks.
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#### winkel

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jul 07, 09:22 AM 2018
Some of you think this way to bet is to risky.

Now here is another Variation to bet single numbers/Plein with a selected progression.

With this we don´t progress the value of the bet, we make a degression.
First make a plan of the distance you wanna play, 20, 30, 100 , 500 spins.
Then make a sequence length.

e.g.
I wanna play 72 spins that´s about 2hrs at the table.
a suitable sequence length could be any divisor of 72, but not too low and not to high.
This would say: 6 9 12 18 is quite good.

The betting plan:
collect a sequence according to your sequnce length
then bet this sequence to be repeated.
In the second step, bet the first sequence and the second new sequence
in the third step bet the first, second an third sequence.

as an example I will take denzie´s spins with length of 6:
collect first sequence:
1
30
19
22
27
34
next bet 1 to be repeated and note new number (and so on)
01..12
30..16
19..04
22..26
27..32
34..28
now bet 01 and 12 in the third sequence and note new number
01..12..06
30..16..20
19..04..24
22..26..13
27..32..30
34..28..21
now bet 01 and 12 and 06 in the 4th sequence and note new number
01..12..06..03
30..16..20..32
19..04..24..35
22..26..13..18
27..32..30..09
34..28..21..14
now bet 01 and 12 and 06 and 03 in the 5th sequence and note new number
01..12..06..03..28
30..16..20..32..10
19..04..24..35..33
22..26..13..18..07
27..32..30..09..16
34..28..21..14..14 (and win)
now bet 01 and 12 and 06 and 03 and 28 in the 6th sequence and note new number
01..12..06..03..28..15
30..16..20..32..10..35
19..04..24..35..33..27
22..26..13..18..07..05
27..32..30..09..16..10
34..28..21..14..14 ..12
now bet 01 and 12 and 06 and 03 and 28 and 15 in the 7th sequence and note new number
01..12..06..03..28..15..25
30..16..20..32..10..35..23
19..04..24..35..33..27..23
22..26..13..18..07..05..31
27..32..30..09..16..10..02
34..28..21..14..14 ..12..01
and so on.
calculation:
1st betting sequence 6 units
2nd betting sequence 12 units (18 total)
3rd betting sequence 18 units (36 total) at your own choice: increase units per bet or stay flat bet size
4th betting sequence 24 units (60 total)
There is always a game

#### winkel

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jul 07, 09:40 AM 2018
Pls choose a sequence length which is suitable for you.
6 is quite too short.
9 would be better
12 is nice
24 is recommended
36 is best
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#### Tinsoldiers

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jul 07, 02:36 PM 2018
Title is very provocative and misleading and so seems the method.  Just one question, is this different from randomly choosing numbers?

#### winkel

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jul 07, 05:22 PM 2018
Title is very provocative and misleading and so seems the method.  Just one question, is this different from randomly choosing numbers?

if you read the previous 18 pages you will find, that the title is provocative but not misleading.
And it is not a method it is a think tank.
So if you read the last examples you will also find that it is still rancom vs. random.
With every method it is the same. people think you can win always from now on. What them makes lose is always their greed or a redicolous smal bankroll.

As I always said: If you don´t have the money to survive some losses, don´t play roulette
There is always a game

#### TRD

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jun 06, 05:50 PM 2022
:-[In all frankness, one of the best threads, ever ..

Gotta work on it to perfect it .. (waay underdeveloped with huuge potential);
but all the fundamentals are just correct.

#### Bigbroben

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jun 07, 09:02 AM 2022
A first draft for DS

Will run a macro a gather stats on max prog step, lowest BR, etc.
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#### TRD

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jun 07, 12:03 PM 2022
Fundamentals
•   not relying on bs to win (not a bs-centric system)
•   play the progression

Underdeveloped
•   waay to high bankroll (for compounding effect base unit increase efficacy)
•   betting waay to much for an individual game to resolve in positive (cost-effectiveness)
•   waay too step exposition increase rate

To perfect
•   first-off, using more discrits or compartments
•   nominal individual game profit (bet what the game asks to profit)
--   "what's the optimal bet/layout with the highest possible probability = coverage,
the lowest cost  (payout)  in regard to, or versus, the exposition"
--    at ±0 the best or most optimal bet,
regarding the cost  vs  coverage  vs  number of positions is EC
--    or 3EC as the initial bet, with a perk of hitting big
•   thereof, controlled descent (lowest possible exposition at any point in time)
•   thereof, controlled volatility (self-created)
•   thereof, the lowest exposition increase rate
•   thereof, recoverable drawdowns (requiring the shortest turns of variance in favor, to profit)
•   alternating the coverage = the most cost-effective traversing of out-of-favor variance
(wider for the first hit, focused for the successive hit)
•   leveraging 1st or wide hit gains with the lower coverage second hit
--   reinvesting the gains at a lower cost = fewer position(s) = one, potentially at a higher payout too
--   focused blocks of limited amount of spins, contingent on the amount of the gains itself
(once returning to the same exposition amount before the first hit, or slightly exceeding,
switch back to wide again till the next hit .. & again the same ..
•   the number of spins constituting the wide & focused block ratio
•   vertical progression (vp) ratio between wide & focused
--   delay wide vp increase as far as possible (=controlled descent)
--   rather 'push' on those few/several focused spins, & with the gains made
--   take into the account on focused: fewer positions played, payout, exposition
(adjust focused vp, including the three above, in the most cost-effective way
on each spin of the focused block, on what the game asks to profit basis)
•    use of the divisor = more hits to handle the oustanding debt, or finish with positive
(capping of the max vp max)
thereof in the worst out-of-favor variance or the most extreme games
--   ensuring controlled descent & recoverable drawdowns no matter what
--   ensuring the oustanding debt resolution & profit no matter, what!

That's condensed 1.5 yrs of work/roulette research, from basically knowing nothing about roulette.
With all that stated concisely, & with an added bonus of previous experience, you can make that time interval a lot sooner/shorter.

#### winkel

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jun 07, 04:50 PM 2022
This thread is 11 years old but pops up from time to time.

Pls note that I have prolonged the Fibonacci depending on the chance to bet.

The only facts that have come up are these:

You have to know how long the chance you are betting can sleep
You have to know how long the longest repeater-lines are.
You have to know how to detect you are riding a dead horse.

There is always a game

#### shiva1989

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##### Re: win as much as you want
Jun 22, 03:03 PM 2022
This thread is 11 years old but pops up from time to time.

Pls note that I have prolonged the Fibonacci depending on the chance to bet.

The only facts that have come up are these:

You have to know how long the chance you are betting can sleep
You have to know how long the longest repeater-lines are.
You have to know how to detect you are riding a dead horse.

after 11 years did you found answer how long it can sleep and is 65 still the best way to enter with 5000 bankroll. Are you still winning