BetVoyager Casino: A review by Thomas R. Grant

[ThomasGrant]

That's the same message I got.
Looks like it may end up being the generic response to these complaints from members.
But will it change things?

If it does...
Then it shows we can change their minds.
And if that is the case.
Well... perhaps we could ask them to revert the no zero table back to it's original table limits.
Then again... that may be asking to much.

[ThomasGrant]

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14.04.2010    Casino | Roulette Lottery
   Due to players' requests, we will be running a lottery from April 21-30 where bets from all types of roulette with a traditional house edge will be counted.

[esoito]

Here's the reply I've received:

Thank you for your comment.
We are considering the new policy and the reactions from our loyal players.

Regards,

The BetVoyager Support Team

[chrisbis]

......and here's Todays reply from Bv

( I seem to have sent them an email everyday this week after the discovery of the rule changes, and it doesn't stop there-see my next message/question)

BV reply to my question on Rules.
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[chrisbis]

..............my follow up question on today's discovery.

Did I U know that:-

BV HAS REDUCED THE TABLE LIMITS ON DOZENS & COLUMNS?

Was 100 Euro.

Now Reduced to 60 Euro.........(40 % reduction)

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[GLC]

Thomas,

In an earlier post, you mentioned that Betvoyager had raised their minimums on no zero roulette.  What are the minimums?

Thanks,

George

[ThomasGrant]

Thomas,

In an earlier post, you mentioned that Betvoyager had raised their minimums on no zero roulette.  What are the minimums?

Thanks,

George

Err...
I think you got that message wrong.
Not raised.
Both tables for Zero and No Zero where at one time the same.
No Zero lowered the table limits sometime ago.
Max is 0.01 to 100 or 10 on a single number for No Zero table.
Where it is still 0.01 to 1000 or to 100 on a single number on a Zero table with the house edge.

[ThomasGrant]

Please keep sending BetVoyager emails about this stupid "non exclusive bets".

[chrisbis]

Note. *should say:- 'Type' instead of 'Time' in the message.

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[ThomasGrant]

Just take a look at this lame response.

Dear, ThomasGrant

We would like to thank you for your interest towards BetVoyager.

Well I did warn you that they may not do anything.

Keep pestering them.
Keep emailing them.

[ThomasGrant]

The more members that complain.
The greater the chance that they may change it back.

But after reading the last email they sent me.
I seriously doubt it.

[esoito]

I'm seriously wondering if they've made these changes because of the bots.

You took an awful lot of money from them a while back -- I clearly recall your regular updates on your amazing progress! 

Lots of other bots with the "right" settings (the secret to success) will also be sucking in the casino's cash.

They're not going to tolerate that sort of haemorrhaging indefinitely.

So in a classic pincer movement they've:

* cut out the free spins (bots rely on those)

* messed around with limits (makes the bots' progressions less viable)

To every attack there's a counter-attack...and they've done it in spades. And I predict more upsets to follow... 

[furple]

I'm seriously wondering if they've made these changes because of the bots.

You took an awful lot of money from them a while back -- I clearly recall your regular updates on your amazing progress! 

Lots of other bots with the "right" settings (the secret to success) will also be sucking in the casino's cash.

They're not going to tolerate that sort of haemorrhaging indefinitely.

So in a classic pincer movement they've:

* cut out the free spins (bots rely on those)

* messed around with limits (makes the bots' progressions less viable)

To every attack there's a counter-attack...and they've done it in spades. And I predict more upsets to follow... 

I think you hit  the nail on the head there Esoito. Bots have the potential of winning large amounts in the shortest possible period of time without any human emotions involved. I personally know a team of roulette players using their bot and they are consistently raking in a substantial amount. Casinos are not going to tolerate it and will implement measures to counter act possible known winning methods/bots etc.

[darrynf]

thats what i think esioto,

if they are losing money from bots then they are going to change it arent they.

after all if it keeps happening they will go bust. personaly i dont believe the mutual bets were removed from there to stop tracking, more likely to stop bots. but in saying that have the bots bet .01 cents.

maybe they are fair and still are but its not fair if people are using bots to exploit them. anyway i dont see the big deal with the mutual bets.
you can still bet 0.01 cents, so what if the rules for the no zero has change, if it wins there it will win in the 0 games.

they wont change it cause they will go bust if they do.

[flukey luke]

This suggestion may sound a bit daft because I have not really thought it through but here goes anyhow!  

Could you not use 2 bots at the same time with one playing the opposite of the other!