SOPOP!

[GLC]

Here's an interesting system that you can use to make a quick 20 units and then go have a good steak and bottle of wine.  If married please have it with your wife.

You can play this on 1, 2, or all 3 of the even chances at the same time.

Our progression is a 7 step martingale. 1-2-4-8-16-32-64 = -127 if you lose it.
Or a 7 step grand martingale.  1-3-7-15-31-63-127 = -247 if you lose it.

This is an almost sure hit and run method. 

Not counting zeros the only sequence I have found that can defeat it in 7 spins is RBBRBRRBRBBRBRRBRBBetc...  All other sequences offer us a win before 7 losses.

We are going to extend the bet selection method suggested in the "Author's System" posted in this same section.  The author's method is to bet (S)ame, (O)pposite, (S)ame, (O)pposite whatever the last spins was. 

We are going to add 2 more selection types to this.  (P)enultimate, (O)pposite(P)enultimate or (OP).  So, we will be betting (S), (O),(P),(OP),(S),(O),(P),(OP), etc...

Example:
Red  Bet (S) for next spin
Red  Win bet (O) for next spin
Black  Win bet (P) for next spin
Red  Win  bet (OP) for next spin
Red  Win  bet (S) for next spin
Black  Lose  bet (O) for next spin
Black  Lose  bet (P) for next spin
Red   Lose  bet (OP) for next spin
Red  Win  bet (S) for next spin
Black  Lose  bet (O) for next spin
ETC.......................

That's it.  Play a martingale (or your favorite bet method) and quit after winning 20 units.

Enjoy and LOL,

George

[vundarosa]

Here's an interesting system that you can use to make a quick 20 units and then go have a good steak and bottle of wine.  If married please have it with your wife.

You can play this on 1, 2, or all 3 of the even chances at the same time.

Our progression is a 7 step martingale. 1-2-4-8-16-32-64 = -127 if you lose it.
Or a 7 step grand martingale.  1-3-7-15-31-63-127 = -247 if you lose it.

This is an almost sure hit and run method. 

Not counting zeros the only sequence I have found that can defeat it in 7 spins is RBBRBRRBRBBRBRRBRBBetc...  All other sequences offer us a win before 7 losses.

We are going to extend the bet selection method suggested in the "Author's System" posted in this same section.  The author's method is to bet (S)ame, (O)pposite, (S)ame, (O)pposite whatever the last spins was. 

We are going to add 2 more selection types to this.  (P)enultimate, (O)pposite(P)enultimate or (OP).  So, we will be betting (S), (O),(P),(OP),(S),(O),(P),(OP), etc...

Example:
Red  Bet (S) for next spin
Red  Win bet (O) for next spin
Black  Win bet (P) for next spin
Red  Win  bet (OP) for next spin
Red  Win  bet (S) for next spin
Black  Lose  bet (O) for next spin
Black  Lose  bet (P) for next spin
Red   Lose  bet (OP) for next spin
Red  Win  bet (S) for next spin
Black  Lose  bet (O) for next spin
ETC.......................

That's it.  Play a martingale (or your favorite bet method) and quit after winning 20 units.

Enjoy and LoL,

George

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hi George, I am confused about the OP, what that it stand for? It seems you have (P) and (OP) both standing for (P)enultimate ....

vundarosa

[Normy2000]

Thanks for sharing Georges,


@vundarosa,
(OP) = Opposite Penultimate. 

Cheers

[GLC]

Thanks Normy,

You're correct OP stands for betting opposite the penultimate color.

When a zero shows repeat the same bet at the next step in the bet progression.

I just picked up 50 units at my local casino on a 0/00 airball machine.  The most losses in a row were 4.  That's pretty lucky.

I usually stop at +20 but I had a really bad run of luck on by "Double Zero Wheelers" system and had to recover some losses from it.

Option #3:  If you want to take some of the risk out of the system, you can bet a marty on the 1st 3 or even 4 bets and then revert to Alembert until recovered.  This adds a measure of safety, but at the same time it reduces the units won per spin by a little.

Example #1 for 3 step marty with the Alembert
Bet 1  Lose   -1
Bet 2  Lose   -3
Bet 4  Lose   -7
Bet 5  Lose   -12  Normally we would have bet 8
Bet 6  Win    -6
Bet 5  Win    -1
Bet 4  Win    +3  Note that we could have only bet 2 units for a +1 result thus keeping our bets smaller on a loss.  If we had bet 2 units and lost, I would bet 4 units as if it were the 3rd step in our marty.  If I lost I would have gone back to the Alembert progression.

Example #2:  4 Step marty with Alembert
Bet 1  Lose   -1
Bet 2  Lose   -3
Bet 4  Lose   -7
Bet 8  Lose   -15
Bet 9  Lose   -24  This would have been -16 with a marty.
Bet 10 Win   -14
Bet  9  Win   -5
Bet  8  Win   +3  This could have been a 6 unit bet for +1 to keep the bets lower in case of a loss.

The logic for using a 3 or 4 step marty with Alembert is that the vast majority of our wins happen in the 1st 3  or 4 steps of the marty.

It is true that you could on a rare occasion lose more with these options verses a straight marty, if you never lose 7 times in a row, but you run into a high loss to win ratio that stays below 7 losses in a row.

Nothing is perfect.

Good Luck,

George

[GLC]

Went to my local casino today and picked up a cool 66 units with this system.

I did get up to a 32 unit bet, but it won.  A zero got in the works.

Once again, most of the wins were in the 1st 3 bets.  A couple of 4's, a 5 and a 6 bet.

Now, if I can keep from giving it back on the video poker machines.

G

[catalyst]

hi GLC
this is another marvel from you. i just have a thought if i can play it with the oscar griend progression. any comments on this?
thanks catalyst

[jon86]

Thanks for sharing 

Cheers

Jon

[GLC]

Hi GLC
this is another marvel from you. I just have a thought if I can play it with the oscar griend progression. any comments on this?
thanks catalyst

I have tinkered around with this enough to know that you can play any bet method you like with this.

If you are going to play oscar's grind, I suggest you play it using my stretched Oscar's Grind method under Money Management.  It's a little safer.  Oscar's Grind can get out of hand sometimes.

Or try this method: Bet 1 unit.  As long as you win continue to bet 1 unit.  As soon as you lose, start betting 3 units.  Bet 3 units until you win 1 time at which time you will cross off the 1.  Now start betting 5 units.  While you were betting 3 units every time you lost you wrote a 3 to the right of the 1.  Once you have crossed off the 1 unit loss you are betting 5 units trying to win 1 time for each of the 3 unit losses.  Every time you lose betting 5 units, you write a 5 to the right of the 3's.  These must be recovered in due time.  

Once all the 3's are crossed off, we don't go to 7 unit bets, rather we only go to 6 unit bets.  At all times we are paying attention to our highest bankroll total and anytime we reach a new high, we start all over betting 1 unit again.

Since we are winning more with each recovery bet than our original loss, we will reach a new high total before we have crossed off every bet.

The reason we following this progression, 1-3-5-6-7-8-9 etc... is because most of the time we will recover very quickly and we want to front load our bets.  If we have to bet the 4th level which is 6 units on our line, we are in a losing pattern and we don't want our bet size to continue to escalate 2 steps each time so we only move up 1 step from then on.

This is more of a grinder method than using the Marty, but in the long run I think it's safer.

Do some tests to see how often, if ever, you lose 7 times in a row to decide if you are willing to risk the Marty or not.  So far I haven't lost 7 times in a row with this system either in testing or in real play and I've tested and/or played over 750 bets which is a good start.

If you are a hearty old soul, you can keep betting your progression line until you cross off every lost bet in which case you will win 1 or 2 units every time you win.  The problem with that idea is that it means to cross off all losses, you must win an equal number of times which is against the odds.

Losing while betting small and winning while betting larger can reach a new high and still lose more times than you win, so I recommend resetting after +1 or +2.

G

[GLC]

SOPOP is a pretty solid system as it is, but I always like to tinker with things just to see if we can get it a little better or with luck, a lot better.

Here's a very minor tweak on SOPOP.

Original version has us moving through the sequence on every spin.  I have been having excellent results testing for us to only move to the next bet selection type after a loss.

So, we start betting (S)ame.  If we win that bet, we continue to bet (S) until we lose.  Once we lose, now we go on to (O)pposite.  Bet (O) until we lose again and then go to (P)enultimate.  Then (OP) until we lose then back to (S) etc...

This method works better with the bet method I outlined in my last post than with a 7 step Marty, although the Marty works as well.

This, wait until you lose method give us a lot of win streaks.

Option:

I haven't tested this yet, but you can test waiting until you lose 2 times in a row before moving on to the next bet type.

Have fun because if you can't have fun doin' it, why do it?

G

Sorry about the attention deficit disorder I have.  If you like the original method, just pass on this one.  I've gotta start taking my A.D.D. meds again.

Cheers

[Normy2000]

So, we start betting (S)ame.  If we win that bet, we continue to bet (S) until we lose.  Once we lose, now we go on to (O)pposite.  Bet (O) until we lose again and then go to (P)enultimate.  Then (OP) until we lose then back to (S) etc...

This is exactly the way i tried yesterday night and it did pretty well!   

[GLC]

This is exactly the way I tried yesterday night and it did pretty well!   

[GLC]

I've been looking thru some old spins results and have run across 7 and 8 in a row for both tracking methods.

This makes me a little wary of the 7 step marty.

Better to use any of the less aggressive bet methods.  The one I prefer is posted above and also under Money Management titled "Clean up before Move up".

This is a well balanced betting method.  It can win good units when things are going well and keep you from going too deep into the hole when things are going really bad.

Of course not betting method is bullet proof.  Therefore, make sure you have a reasonable stop loss and that you're not playing with next month's rent money.

George

[Tomla021]

george you do come up with great stuff
thanks

[ADulay]

A very interesting spin on the old Monte Carlo approach.   It does have its merits for sure.

As I've run a few dozen or so sheets under the Monte Carlo approach, I'll go back and take a look at how this iteration of it looks.

Thanks for the idea.

AD

[GLC]

A very interesting spin on the old Monte Carlo approach.   It does have its merits for sure.

As I've run a few dozen or so sheets under the Monte Carlo approach, I'll go back and take a look at how this iteration of it looks.

Thanks for the idea.

AD

Thanks AD, that will be interesting.  I have run it through some old spins and sometimes it does better than S O only and sometimes not.  I guess the really compare the two, we would have to play the Author's method for 7 steps instead of 4 if playing the marty.

We're waiting for your valuable input.

G