I've Finally Found a Real Online Wheel!

[Proofreaders2000]

I've been testing at several wheels I thought were honest, but didn't seem consistent with what everyone else has been getting.  It is until now when I tested st SmartLiveCasino that my results are consistent with others who test a system.

I thought Dublinbet, BetPhoenix American, CelticCasino (the main ones I tested systems on) were honest. Beware of these, guys!

[ZigZag]

Smart live, Supercasino and Challenge jackpot are all from same Netplay TV family. There all filmed from UK studios 

[ADulay]

I thought Dublinbet, BetPhoenix American, CelticCasino (the main ones I tested systems on) were honest. Beware of these, guys!

OK, time for met to jump in again, being an almost full time online live player.

What's wrong with the above mentioned live casinos that makes them "dishonest" ?

AD

[Proofreaders2000]

Well when I tried my latest system Stanley1 the results I got was consistent with what the posters got.  This is the first time since I started testing at SmartLiveCasino.

I believe in my heart the casinos I mentioned fabricate their results.

[iggiv]

what they would that for? to avoid being defeated by Stanley 1 system?

i think the answer is simple: this system is not working at every wheel. Looks like this system is working at selected wheels only.

but it must be not hard to check. RX. more than 30 German wheels. i am almost sure that
this system won't win at many of them. And they won't fabricate results -- they are real casinos.

P.S. Dublin Bet also is also a real casino with real wheels with cameras. Why would they fabricate results for online players? easy to check for someone visiting there with someone playing online. Would be a great scandal. They would not do it.

[ADulay]

I believe in my heart the casinos I mentioned fabricate their results.

Hmm, that's a completely different tune from the original message.

One of the things that drives me nuts about these forums is when people state what they "feel" as a FACT, when it is not.

If you don't like a particular casino or thinks it's rigged or they cheat, then say that and show some examples, some proof or anything that will substantiate the claim.

If you have zero proof or anything even remotely showing that the casinos are cheating, then kindly also mention that when giving an opinion of an online site.

I'm not picking on your personally.  EVERYBODY who has ever lost online says they were cheated by THAT CASINO.  When pressed for details, the whole story collapses.

So, please, everyone, if you suspect a casino of cheating, GET THE FACTS.  What's the point of saying "Smiling Louie's Casino" cheats because my 8 step martingale lost.   Everybody's 8 step martingale loses, deal with it.

Sorry to have to come into this thread like this, but yours was a convenient entry point.

I play online, live tables almost every day.  I have yet to see anything that would make me believe I've been cheated.    I have seen some flakey things, but nothing that would be construed as cheating.

So, for everyone reading this thread, I will ask one more time.

Do you have any screen shots, video captures, or live play data that you can honestly say looks like cheating to you?   I've got hundreds of plays here and none look they cheated to me, even the losing sessions!

As a side note, there are some in a few other forums who have accused me of being a "casino shill" among other things because I appear to "side with the casinos" on these things.   Nope, I'm not siding with anybody UNTIL I SEE SOME EVIDENCE of live game cheating.

AD (resident shill, scammer and general ne'er do well according to some)

[VLS]

Hello dear Adulay,

Don't worry, everybody around here knows you are a fine, fair fellow and wouldn't doubt your intentions.

As per the possible cheating anecdotes, I got a few myself, but -yes- anecdotal and untaped.

i.e. At casinowebcam once they had electrical failure (lights down at the studio) right after a number hit 3 times... of course winners weren't paid. Plenty unhappy at the chat. Could happen at random, but does make you wonder if there was more to it.

And recently I recall being at smartlive casino and a zero was spun but wasn't accounted for in the game (I was testing a method with a fellow member of the forum, he may want to confirm... as anecdotal evidence too --Tongue in cheek!)...

Among a few others I've experienced and they are the type of things that make you wonder... like the dealer not spinning the ball as it should and being accepted (i.e. a lazy hand making like 3 revs and when players complain at the chat being told the rules of the game allow for it) etc.

The solution for proof is simple and obvious: to start taping the sessions and when there's something weird, there's proof.

Of course, most people don't do it, then *we* can't complain about fair requests of evidence like yours!

FAIR IS FAIR!

Cheers and lots of support for you and your good name.

Victor

[Proofreaders2000]

You're peaceful comments are appreciated Victor, thank you.  

I do however feel in general there are very few casinos, especially "Live" wheels that mean U.S. bettors well and in light of the latest phenomenon I have to re-evaluate my systems with SmartLiveCasino.

If you are winning Adulay kudos to you and keep it up!  

[chrisbis]

And recently I recall being at smartlive casino and a zero was spun but wasn't accounted for in the game (I was testing a method with a fellow member of the forum, he may want to confirm...)...

I can confirm this happened.  

It was an obvious mistake by the casino. But no explanation given afterwards.  

Poor show really.

Both Victor, and Myself where on the same table at the time, and doing 'Join Maneuvers' with the same system.

[VLS]

Thanks Chris.

I have seen a few other "mistakes" at other playtech casinos too...

Usually resulting in returned bets, but of course winners not happy... you don't want a winning bet to be returned... you want it paid!

[VLS]

Usually resulting in returned bets

On the other hand, if there was a genuine error, the casino can reserve the right to pay winners, since a genuine error affects both-ways.

...Having been at a returned bets scenario more than once, I've never witnessed any losing player every complaining about the bad spin at the chat

[chrisbis]

On the other hand, if there was a genuine error, the casino can reserve the right to pay winners, since a genuine error affects both-ways.

They, (genuine errors), are difficult to justify(for the Casino) when they are on Camera!!

Like that one the other day- blatantly obvious.


So the moral of the story- ...............................(I'll just mount this moral horse)....... is:-
"Keep Ur wits about U out there"

For me, I think it very wise, for those who play 'MOST' of their play/games on-line, to have a Screen Shot Capture device to hand, on Ur desk top, so U can quickly capture any situation as it happens, and before it disappears into the continuing game.

I think we should discuss this more- poss in dedicated section.
We are much better at this together than alone, and Join action against Casino's SHOULD result in better outcomes for Members/Forum players.

(I will dis-mount from the Moral Horse)  

[furple]

Personally with Dublinbet I haven't had any suspicious activity while playing.
Occasionally you will get an error but all bets were returned following the error.
Other than thatâ€Ã,¦nothing but positive experiences.

[Proofreaders2000]

I find it funny increasingly the results when I test at SmartLiveCasino are consistent with what others are getting, it confirms my suspicions.

[ADulay]

At casinowebcam once they had electrical failure (lights down at the studio) right after a number hit 3 times... of course winners weren't paid. Plenty unhappy at the chat. Could happen at random, but does make you wonder if there was more to it.
Victor

Yes, that would REALLY get me ticked off at the casino for sure!   Especially if they didn't pay the winners.   That was a bad deal all the way around.  Ouch!

Thanks for the reply.  Good information there.

AD