Baccarat Thread usin P4

[monaco]

hi Twisteruk, like the look of this, always fun to try a new game!
have just googled how to play baccarat    & going to papertest it..

can i just ask , in your reply #3 you say-

PPB +16 (Starting bet (8 Units) and recovery from previous Shoe (8 Units)

does this mean you were doing a 16,32,64 progression here?

cheers

[albertojonas]

Hi twister. appreciate the thread. your baccarat results look solid. thanks for sharing. I only tried on william hill RNG once, and had no loss, and about 6-7 units wins.

i think because only 8 different combinations,

because only 8 diff . combinations, there is 1/8 chance of you getting the same one again(you are betting against).

this is same position as H/L people or O/E, R/B. so you have a +88% chance of success with this method, and chances of getting hit twice is rare.

only flaw I think is the 2 separate progressions, and overall only 1 unit gains(if playing P1) per every 4. so overall in one shoe which lasts an hour, approx 13-15units only can be gained total.

8 different combinations is true
but...
4 of those put you on the 2nd step
ie
play against
111
you have
222
212
211
221

could take you on the 3rd step
222
221
and finally you only loose your progression on 1/8
222
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so if you play 1-2-4
and loose 1/8
you get even

you may use hit & run and leave as soon as you hit +7 on a positive Ecart

or

you can play it other ways
i would try at least 4 diff progressions before that one

1st
1-1-1
2-2-2
3-3-3
4-4-4
etc

2nd
regression
7-3-1

3rd
longest fibbo
1-1-1-2-3-5-8-13...

4th
modified D'Alembert (in which you win as soon as W and L balance out and then reset)
ie.
start with 20units bet
increase +3 on a Loss
decrease -4 on a Win
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Also if you apply a little mod to your PB4 you will gain even more odds in your favor....
this is obtained applying the following rule:
you have your matrix

122
211
211-now instead of betting against your first outcome (1)
you wait for the 10th outcome
if it is the Same as the first you play the next two against until a win, ie. (1) bet 1- bet 1
if it is Opposite to the first you play the next to repeat until a win, ie. (2) bet bet 2 - bet 2

I do not intend to change J.Legend system. Just to give you my thoughts on how to improve it,
concerning your worries...
You may consider this a mod.

try it if you like it, then compare it to the original version.

[Twisteruk]

Hi twister hope you feell well...regarding baccarat you might find it interesting...pdf attached

Thank you, yes I have good days and bad 


Thanx for the link, I will check it out 

[Twisteruk]

Hi Twisteruk, like the look of this, always fun to try a new game!
have just googled how to play baccarat    & going to papertest it..

can I just ask , in your reply #3 you say-

PPB +16 (Starting bet (8 Units) and recovery from previous Shoe (8 Units)

does this mean you were doing a 16,32,64 progression here?

cheers

Yes mate thats what that meant 



Plz keep us up to date with ure Baccarat experience 

[Twisteruk]

Just one other piece of info due to the PM's ive had,



YES ! I play the entire Shoe every time.


Why ?

Its "Set in Stone" so to speak and will always flow so I see no need to "hit and run"



As my BR increase I will increase my Unit size.




ALL results are given in Units. So if ure playing £1 £5 £10 etc you can work out ure Return 

[albertojonas]

hi there twister. Hope health is improving as i see you more and more active here. 

i played your 2nd session against the results from 1st session
random vs random

I used the following rules:
play 5 times at 1unit restarting whenever your in plus
stay in this level until 2 Losses in a row.
In this case Wait for a win and start bet at next level, same rules apply.
Restart from one once reached a new high.

It was not a "famous" session but...
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previous B P B P B B P P P P B P P B B P B B P P B P P B B P B P B P B P B B B P P B B B P P P B B P B P P P B P P B P P P

current P P B B B B P P B P P P B B B B P P B B B B B B B B B B P P B P P B P B B B P B P P B P B P P B B B B P B P P P B

LW-track L W W L W W W W L W L W L W W L L L L L W L L W W L W L L W W W L W L L L W L W W W L L W W L L L L W W L L W W L

Bet 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 6 6 6 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1

Pay 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 6 6 8 8 8 12 12 12 4 4 2 2 2

Net 1 1 -1 1 1 1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 1 -1 0 0 0 0 -2 -2 0 -3 3 -3 3 -3 0 -4 4 4 -4 4 -5 0 0 -5 -6 6 6 11 -1 0 -2 3 -1 0 0 0 -2 3 1 -1 1 1 0

Bankroll -1 0 1 0 1 2 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 2 0 0 -3 0 -3 0 -3 -3 -7 -3 1 -3 1 -4 -4 -4 -9 -15 -9 -3 8 7 7 5 8 7 7 7 7 5 8 9 8 9 10 10

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[Twisteruk]

Hi there twister. Hope health is improving as I see you more and more active here. 

i played your 2nd session against the results from 1st session
random vs random

I used the following rules:
play 5 times at 1unit restarting whenever your in plus
stay in this level until 2 Losses in a row.
In this case Wait for a win and start bet at next level, same rules apply.
Restart from one once reached a new high.

It was not a "famous" session but...
[reveal]

previous B P B P B B P P P P B P P B B P B B P P B P P B B P B P B P B P B B B P P B B B P P P B B P B P P P B P P B P P P

current P P B B B B P P B P P P B B B B P P B B B B B B B B B B P P B P P B P B B B P B P P B P B P P B B B B P B P P P B

LW-track L W W L W W W W L W L W L W W L L L L L W L L W W L W L L W W W L W L L L W L W W W L L W W L L L L W W L L W W L

Bet 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 6 6 6 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 1

Pay 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 6 6 8 8 8 12 12 12 4 4 2 2 2

Net 1 1 -1 1 1 1 1 -1 1 -1 1 -1 1 1 -1 0 0 0 0 -2 -2 0 -3 3 -3 3 -3 0 -4 4 4 -4 4 -5 0 0 -5 -6 6 6 11 -1 0 -2 3 -1 0 0 0 -2 3 1 -1 1 1 0

Bankroll -1 0 1 0 1 2 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 2 0 0 -3 0 -3 0 -3 -3 -7 -3 1 -3 1 -4 -4 -4 -9 -15 -9 -3 8 7 7 5 8 7 7 7 7 5 8 9 8 9 10 10

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Hi mate 

Well Im in bed all day so to speak and just doin the minimum. Thanx for askin 

Is that how you play all ure bac sessions ?



Ive really enjoyed P4 this last few days 

[albertojonas]

no i do not play this way. it was an experiment on more conservative progressions, and with random against random, as i feel the ecart is slower and less.

here are two more examples on conservative progressions.
alembert after L and after LW

good results. 


But nothing of this matters if you do not recover well. seize your resting time, as to get stronger.
I had a couple of similar cases in my close family... I am with you.
Best wishes

AL

[Twisteruk]

No I do not play this way. it was an experiment on more conservative progressions, and with random against random, as I feel the ecart is slower and less.

here are two more examples on conservative progressions.
alembert after L and after LW

good results. 


But nothing of this matters if you do not recover well. seize your resting time, as to get stronger.
I had a couple of similar cases in my close family... I am with you.
Best wishes

AL

Great, i will check them out but be 2morrow now as im beat !


Yeah im doin the bare min I play a Shoe then have some sleep rinse and repeat 

All i need now is my french maid lol   

[Bayes]

Hi twister hope you feell well...regarding baccarat you might find it interesting...pdf attached

There's a nice explanation of eirescott's 'holy grail' here.

[albertojonas]

There's a nice explanation of eirescott's 'holy grail' here.

wonderful!
what about the odds for the single objects to repeat themselves inn a trail of X?

that was just what I was trying to proove...
we are betting nothing more than the progression. So tweaks must be made to the progression as the presented bet selection/design is useless.

in the end is all about catching an uptrend.

Nice to have you here Bayes.
Cheers
AL

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Also here is 3rd session played against 2nd.
And 4th against 3rd
lw conservative trigger

notice that i place much more bets than in the original version... it should have tanked by now (as twister sessions already did)

[albertojonas]

so now the first session played with the mod i presented
and with regression 7-3-1
play after a Win that comes after a series of Losses.
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BPB          PBB          PPP          PBP    ll       PBB   ll       PBB   ww       PPB    w   7    PPB   w   3    BPB   lw   0    PBP   w   1   11 BPB   w   7    BBP   w   3    PBB    lw   0    BPP   lw   0    PBB   w   1   22 PBP    lw   0    PPB   w   7    PPB   w   3    PPP    w   1   33

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+33 units

[albertojonas]

Hi Twisteruk, like the look of this, always fun to try a new game!
have just googled how to play baccarat    & going to papertest it..

can I just ask , in your reply #3 you say-

PPB +16 (Starting bet (8 Units) and recovery from previous Shoe (8 Units)

does this mean you were doing a 16,32,64 progression here?

cheers

1-2-4= 7units

8-16-32 = 56units

16-32-64 = 112units


175units if you loose 3 times in a row

LLLLLLLLL scenario

wow that is quite a risk isn't it?

you would loose 42 in the same scenario if using 7-3-1

it is a bit more than 4 times less

[albertojonas]

after 4 shoes
i have +50
same as your results
but with 4 times less exposure.

Cheers

[esoito]

"175units if you lose 3 times in a row

LLLLLLLLL scenario

wow that is quite a risk isn't it?

you would lose 42 in the same scenario if using 7-3-1

it is a bit more than 4 times less"

Good points, alberto.

But we must all remember that The Twister is A Man Of Steel -- with large, steel cojones!

So he can handle risks that would cause us a coronary.