W3M scam.........how many new members are still posting?

[chrisbis]

After all the who-harr a few months back, when several new members arrived here at these shores,
I just wonder, who many of those New fellows are still among Us,
and are reading/contributing regularly?

Are there any of the original wounded chaps still in here?  

[dchq_bam]

hi m8

im still here not that i post an awful lot

i should start posting my thoughts  and findings (note to self)


dchq_bam

[hanshuckebein]

well, and what about the folks who were cheated by ceh?  did they get there money back or maybe the magical bet in the end?   

cheers

hans

[Canuck]

I"m still here. I appreciate all the collective wisdom here.

I did not get my money back. Karma will get the scammer(s) who ripped me off.

But I've started inside betting. I've read tremendous posts by VLS, esoito, iggiv, Twisteruk, Winkel, chrisbis, Mr J, GLC. yourself hanshuckebein, and many many others .I've read parts of Brett Morton's book and purchased Kimo Li's.

I watched the suggested video's.

I love playing roulette, and I've become a better player because of this forum.

Thanks for asking. This forum helped me feel better because I wasn't the only sucker and the person who perpetrated the scam is looked upon as a common thief.

[LuckoftheIrish]

My friend was also scammed by win3million.

[crownroyal]

I was very lucky not to have fallen into this no good scammer's trap! He stated on the w3m web site that the ACTF bet was completely different from the PPPC bet. That comment led me to believe that he was a con man. How many people do you know who can easily create consistent winning bets at the drop of a hat? I don't know of any. I hope this guy gets thrown into jail for a long time before he gets a chance to swindle more innocent people.

[RouletteExplorer]

This wasn t the only comment that leads a person to understand that he is a scam.
There were several stupidities that were leading that he is not only a scam,but a stupid scam....

Anyway have you all seen the page that his site looks like now?

[XXVV]

To Chrisbis and other interested parties.


You may find my recent comments on the sister thread "Karma" quite timely.


The new 'pic' organisation is one to watch with curiosity.


XXVV

[XXVV]

To Roulette Explorer : I would be interested if you would list the 'several stupidities' that made you aware of the 'silly' scam. Then perhaps we can all learn more from this experience. My question is genuine.

[RouletteExplorer]

Ok XXVV.
I have read some post of yours and it is sad that even after this scam showed his real intentions by scamming ppl and take their money and disappear , you still have a hope that he is the real deal.
  Anyway, as you asked me nicely I will post for you here the so many stupid things that he was posting in his site all those years , that those things werw big traps for him and was exposing him by being stupid.

I also need to tell you that I was the "oldtimer" member that posted in the forum that he made in the end and I exposed him infront of his public.
I am glad for this because I saved some ppl that were ready to send him money ,but they didn t.
Here is a link in GG that a member with the nickname "TRUTH" is writing about me (oldtimer) and how I saved him and opened his eyes and he also tryed to do the same for others.....
link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=8680&forum=Roulette_Message_Board

1st I need to tell you my expirience with this post that I made in the forum of w3m.

The forum of his was free for anyone to post....BUT after the post that I made he got scared and he didn t allow the posts for free....instead of that he changed the rules and every post that everyone were posting had to pass his aproval.....then if the posts weren t exposing him , he was posting them.....
Now after my exposing post , I DID NOT POST anything else in his forum(because I had made my point and this is the only thing that i wanted to do)
   But because he was so scared that i was was hurting his scam , listed what he did to cover the damage :
He deleted my post as soon as he saw it and he noticed from my 1 and only post that my English were not so good and he started posting posts WITH MY NAME !!! The posts were post like this:
" Hey w3m scam... I F...ck your mother."(but with wrong english)
"hey w3m you are an a$$hole and I will kill you and I will find you"
   Not only his posts were with very very very bad English , that even I DO NOT speak so bad English , but he was posting bad things WITH MY NAME !!!!!
After 4-5 insolting posts (with much more wrong English than mine) He posted with his name a post like that :
" Do you see ppl? This is the real face of the member oldtimer,....he is a sick person and all he needs to do is come in here and insult me....so don t take him siriusly because his brain is damaged!"

So as you see, with this move he tried to make me look like a person with brain damage for the other members not to take me siriously and PROTECT his business.

Now I will list you here the mistakes that he did in his SITE:

As the years were passing , w3m was updating his site by posting more things and more pages.
All the things that he were posting were accordingly the posts that we was reading in the VLS and other forums.....

1)So in his 1st pages he posted that He had found something that should happen more often but did not.
After this post the Vls members posted that NOTHING in roulette is steady and that everything has equal chances of hitting.....
So after he read this post he needed to be flexible and was always trying to go with the pulse of the vls members because after all they were his future clients.....
So he posted that "IF you thing that in roulette something is steady you are a fool.....so bet the Runs and the Changes"

2)Also in his 1st pages he were posting clearly that he was watching the movements and he was making judjements of where to bet(movements means PAST SPINS)
  But after the members in the Vls and other sites made posts about : past movements mean nothing because every spin is independent , he had the obligation to go with the pulse of the members and so he posted : " If you think that by bet is looking past numbers you are a fool"

3)One of the most childish things that he posted in his site were that in his early years he showed HIS ACTF bet (one of its parts) to 2 roulette players because fe felt sorry that they had lost a big amount of money.....and in order to cover this(because he knew that if 2 ppl knew something that cam make ublimited money, then the bet would be by now spread all over the world !!!) .
He posted that those 2 men were dead !!!!!!!!!!!    HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa  ....  HOW MUCH stupid do u have tp be in order to post something like that??? and IF this were true HOW DID HE informed that those 2 ppl were dead ? Did he went to the put boss and he asked him: "Hey Larry, where are those 2 men?"  and Larry said : " Oh they died 1 day BOTH AT THE SAME TIME because a truck hit their car as they were returning home from the Casino !" HaHaHaHaHaHa

4)He also posted that "Randomness is the one that is helping is win with the BETS"    LoLoLoL
Randomness is something that is killing every bet....so it was like telling : " Fallying of a clif will not kill you, because gravity will help you !"

5) One other big proof is that I had a friend that was from Germany and he had also understood that w3m was a scam....and out of curiosity send his a message to take part of the PPPC bet....
After his message , w3m posted in his forum with the name "Germany boss of the PPPC"(or something similar)  "Here in Germany we are winning very nice with the PPPC bet and we will help the germany PPPC members with the bet.....
I did the same out of curiosity and after 5 minures a new post with the name of my country boss were posted and he was telling the same thinsg again....that the PPPC boss of my country will help oll the ppl from my country to learn the PPPC bet....LoL.....
as you see his behaviour was the least "CHILDISH " !!!!!!

I can t remember right now the other stupidities that he were posting in his pages ...but I know that there were a lot more......

The biggest proof is that he were posting with MY NAME things that I never posted and that after my post he made the approval option....

So XXVV take your brain away from this scammer.....as you saw he stole ppls money in the end....and it was very obvious that he was gonna do that from the begining.

I hope I helped you.....

[warrior]

I new he was a scam way before that,when werdna an old VLS member had pm me, with the   boffins bet sight there were only a few of us that new about it we test this bet and flailed miserably, and jhm another old vls member can vouch for me when i say this ,after the boFfiins sight leaked on VLS FORUM MR.HAMSHIRE WAS SHITTING HIS PANTS because the writing was exactly the same i pm WERDNA and JHM and they both agreed that it was ,so this is where the leak from ceh.began for me i emaiLed hamshire feeling that he was in panic because he could not find this old arcive web sight of his, in his mind he thought it was out of sight,so i agreed if he wanted i could show him where we found it he said thanks but we found meaning his team  ,in a second email a few hours later i asked him if it was his of coarse he said no ,but this was the kicker he said to me that the only boffins that he new was a guy who built him a car from scrap in the philipeens i thouhgt to my self what a crock of shit ,i PM JHM with this info we both laughed this is a scam, i emailed hamshire again asking him what he was up to, an hour later  a rep responed for him ,  apperently this dude was his manager he said that hamshire just left for africa and cant respond ,holy crap i just talked to him an hour ago and doesnt he have a computer in africa i pm jhm once again with this info ,if JHM IS EVER AROUND  he can vouch fo me that this is  all true, oh yes in the begining before the che bet hit the forum he had put some bullshit bet on streets on his old web sight before all the pages came about,had tested it and it failed ,i new about this before people even  heard about this,anyways  there will be always something positive out of a negetive and thats how i look at life im a better player for this ,its always sad when people get taken for there money but the signs were all there but sometimes we become blind to them and keep hitting doors that dont open those  are the signs that humans need to pay attention too. WARRIOR.

[RouletteExplorer]

Thanks worrior.
All the story you just said reminds of w3m acting. And it seems that that kind of imagination only w3m and we Wendel (Hotspot)has it.....maybe he is the same person.

As you said out of his B.S there are some things that was very nice and true.....
eg. the ultimate testing of the 30 X 100spins sessions is the best way to test IF a bet selection has an advantage.
or that flat bet is the safest way to go .... etc.

Unfortunatelly though those nice infos would be helpfull ONLY if there were a way to gain a bet selection advantage.

[LuckoftheIrish]

When his old site was up I went to the guestbook and found people who claimed they found the winning bet.  I actually got two email addresses.  One did not respond kindly at all.  The other seemed more friendly, but wouldn't reveal anything and I knew it was a scam.

[RouletteExplorer]

They were both w3m pretending that were other ppl , or they were silly ppl that they THOUGHT that they had a winning bet, but they hadn t.

[XXVV]

This is all very interesting, and I thank you all, Roulette Explorer, Warrior and LuckoftheIrish.


I try to keep an open mind but please do not worry RouletteExplorer I have no sympathy at all for the scammers and I have taken firm steps to ensure justice will be served.


It is thanks to this extra thread, nearly a year after the events that unfolded, that some further clarity is provided.


On the plus side there were some useful principles that came from the scammers including the quite brilliant money management and the reverse bet principle. I can say that these principles can be applied and can work given the right attitude and experience. But that is another story.


Nevertheless, despite my earlier (naive) sympathy for the writings of the scammers, their later use of increasingly 'high moral ground' rhetoric has made me especially motivated to see that they receive justice now.


Hence my other thread in this context.


Once again Roulette Explorer thanks for taking the time and care to explain what you saw, and I and several of my colleagues missed.