No Zero wheels

[LuckyLucy]

Please forgive my newbie question but just working on an idea. 

Do roulette wheels with no 0 have no house edge? I beleive bet voyager and betfair have them and was wondering if any thought had gone into how this could be exploited if that is the case?

[Blood Angel]

Hi Lucy

BetVoyager take a percentage of your winnings when you cash out (10%) as a "trade" for the removal of the house edge.
Some here think thats a good thing 

[LuckyLucy]

How rude!

Then we should make them pay by winning 10% extra!! 

[dchq_bam]

Betvoyager's NZ wheel as Blood Angel Said takes 10%

There Are people getting some good results and winnings from there

[dchq_bam]

Thats the spirit   

[LuckyLucy]

hmmm...well there must surely be away to exploit this?

[Blood Angel]

How rude!

Then we should make them pay by winning 10% extra!! 

Exactly right!   

[dchq_bam]

have you ever played there ?

[Bayes]

It's not so much the house edge which kills players but deviations. If you can tame deviations (or use them) then you have the game beaten.

Even with no house edge the casino still has a mathematical advantage, by virtue of the fact that their bankroll is much bigger than that of any individual player.

[chrisbis]

It sounds like the making of a new Topic I think!  

"EXPLOITING THE NO ZERO WHEEL"

Alternate>

"EXPLOITING THE NO ZERO TABLE"

(.................and I am doing it everyday!!!)  

[albalaha]

For people who like to bet upon single numbers (inside betting) zero is just another number and it is sheer wastage if you seek a no zero table (instead of a regular zero table/wheel which has 2.7% house edge only) and pay 10% for this. However, those who play outside bets, zero can be a killer, specially for those who play dangerous progressions like martingale and grand martingale. Only such people should opt for no zero wheel. I play betvoyager a lot and won good from there but very rarely I opt no zero wheel for any session of mine.

[Bayes]

For people who like to bet upon single numbers (inside betting) zero is just another number and it is sheer wastage if you seek a no zero table (instead of a regular zero table/wheel which has 2.7% house edge only) and pay 10% for this.

It's not the zero per se which is the house edge, but the unfair payout, and this is present whether you're playing 1 number or 37. Even with the 10% deduction you're better off playing the no-zero wheel, because the money you don't lose from not having the unfair payout more than compensates for the 10% which is only applied when you cash out, whereas the house edge is there on every spin. I did a calculation on this somewhere to show just how much more you end up paying if using the 'standard' wheel.

[albalaha]

Bayes,
             Are you serious and firm with your statement regarding no zero wheel and commission over withdrawals from it? Is it really better to play with no zero wheel even if we are betting upon inside numbers?

[LuckyLucy]

Have you ever played there ?

Hi!

No I havn't ive just been on the website and seen it and thought it might something could give the advantage tothe player for a nice change!

[Bayes]

Bayes,
             Are you serious and firm with your statement regarding no zero wheel and commission over withdrawals from it? Is it really better to play with no zero wheel even if we are betting upon inside numbers?

Absolutely. If you're playing there regularly and not just a one-off game or two then you must use choose the no-zero option to maximise your profits and reduce the risk. It's the difference between playing a negative expectation game or not - the 10% charge is a relatively small price to pay for not having to play a negative expectation game.