Roulette -- just random or there is something else?

[iggiv]

please express what u think about roulette and by what factors it is influenced. we are not talking about biased wheels here, we are talking about general case of roulette.

[vundarosa]

Not sure....but i'm always intrigued on why systems based on repeaters or sectors work. I mean, why would numbers or sectors keep reapeating (short term) if the ball and the wheel have no memory?! In my thinking random "should" allow more dispersation and repeaters should be rare.

Maybe it has to do with how dealers are taught to spin the ball & a physical limitation within humans that makes dealers spin repeaters....it seems that its when dealers are a bit sloppy / sluggish that the higher dispersations occur.

vundarosa

[Chrisbis]

They keep repeating/landing in the same sector, in exactly the way that RAndom predicts they will.

Did U see that then?........................did your eye catch that out-of-the-norm-event?

What did i do, that sometimes happens when I type?
Huh?

Did u see it?

.can you make a system out of it?

.Will it happen again?

Cause I hope You can believe me, that it happens Randomly......

everytime................

But, and he's the Nub of the question really....... is it predictable?

Can I/Will I, do it again?

I will, cause Historically I do - do it every-time I type...... but who knows When I will do it again, or for that matter .....................where?

For those that don't understand anything I am saying, or have not got a clue about 'U' bends.. get your head under the 1ST Reveal button for as all encompassing explanation.
Warning though............the information will be hidden, but in there..................somewhere!
enjoy.
PS. I did not Vote.

[reveal]When I type, because I am not trained in typing, but rather, like of lot of Internet users, self taught, I occasionally, but regularly (now there's a contradiction in terms!! LoL).... I leave my thumb on the Shift button for a split second longer than i should, when performing Capitalization of Key Words, and what sometimes comes out is this :- RAndom ..... the second letter formation, is also Capitalised!  Its happens randomly (I think it does), and I never know when . Its timing thing!
And we all what the art of comedy is don't we?.............................TIMING!
(Note, if U read all the words in the above sentence, U just read over 90 words/phrases. I hope U found them! Brings some 'Colour' to your cheeks! cheers.)[/reveal]
[reveal]I do hope U enjoyed that, wasn't planned, it just happened, I was actually going to post up a reply to Vundarosa, about how if u played the outside game of Hoopla, (Throwing Rings around a stick in the ground).. u will get some rings going over, some rings hitting and falling off, and some rings completely missing the stick altogether.
Now then, with better luck, and some skill, and practice, U SHOULD get better at predicting what will happen when U throw the ring at the stick.
Its all about the speed of travel, the distance to the stick, the wind speed, the outside conditions, the weight of the ring, the gravitational pull on the mass of the objects in motion.....
So many factors to take into account.
But we all know what happens at these events, your at a party, or Village fate, or Festival, or at a Pleasure centre (Ohhh Mrs!! LoL), and along comes your Mother-in-Law, who understands jack Sh1te about all those factors, and, get this write, She also does not understand the laws of PHYSICS!!... and she throws her first ring, and...........................U guessed it.................... it goes over first time. Bingo!
And U look at her, U look at Your Misses and the kids, U look back at your Mother-in-Law, then she looks at U, and She Says :-
"That was Lucky Wasn't it!"

I rest my case with random.

Now then, what was the question?[/reveal]

[iggiv]

Not sure....but i'm always intrigued on why systems based on repeaters or sectors work. I mean, why would numbers or sectors keep reapeating (short term) if the ball and the wheel have no memory?! In my thinking random "should" allow more dispersation and repeaters should be rare.

Maybe it has to do with how dealers are taught to spin the ball & a physical limitation within humans that makes dealers spin repeaters....it seems that its when dealers are a bit sloppy / sluggish that the higher dispersations occur.

vundarosa

random is always repeated. that's life. take a pack of cards, shuffle it, then take out some card blindly, and repeat doing this. u will get repeats. no training needed. that's life. there are always repeaters and sleepers.

[vundarosa]

random is always repeated. that's life. take a pack of cards, shuffle it, then take out some card blindly, and repeat doing this. u will get repeats. no training needed. that's life. there are always repeaters and sleepers.

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good luck in taking the same card 3 times in a row!

vundarosa

[Bayes]

Not sure....but i'm always intrigued on why systems based on repeaters or sectors work. I mean, why would numbers or sectors keep reapeating (short term) if the ball and the wheel have no memory?! In my thinking random "should" allow more dispersation and repeaters should be rare.

But that would apply equally as well if there were in fact, fewer repeaters. If the normal behaviour was for each number to hit once exactly every 37 spins you could then say "why does this happen if the ball and wheel have no memory?".

It's possible to prove mathematically that there MUST be repeaters in any game of  independent trials (assuming no bias). It just a consequence of the laws of probability, nothing to do with dealer influence. If anyone's interested I can post the proof.

[Drazen]

But that would apply equally as well if there were in fact, fewer repeaters. If the normal behaviour was for each number to hit once exactly every 37 spins you could then say "why does this happen if the ball and wheel have no memory?".

It's possible to prove mathematically that there MUST be repeaters in any game of  independent trials (assuming no bias). It just a consequence of the laws of probability, nothing to do with dealer influence. If anyone's interested I can post the proof.

I am. Knowledge cant do any harm  Thanks.

Regards

Drazen

[RouletteExplorer]

"""but i'm always intrigued on why systems based on repeaters or sectors work""""

Where did you see that systems based on repeaters are working??? They as working as much the systems based on sleepers are working.   

(when we say that a system "works" it means that its a long run winner)


"""""But that would apply equally as well if there were in fact, fewer repeaters. If the normal behaviour was for each number to hit once exactly every 37 spins you could then say "why does this happen if the ball and wheel have no memory?".

It's possible to prove mathematically that there MUST be repeaters in any game of  independent trials (assuming no bias). It just a consequence of the laws of probability, nothing to do with dealer influence."""""""""""

Exactly ! I couldn t agree more.

[Proofreaders2000]

I think bettors are up against highly trained (years of training) dealers that know where to spin, how fast to spin and to meticulously aim for the zero(es) when there are plenty of outside bets and uncovered numbers (at least the wheel sector they are in) when spinning.

Dealers can be off in their spinning target (they have to increase their accuracy of their spinning) and when bettors start winning too much that dealer is quickly replaced.

[Drazen]

I think bettors are up against highly trained (years of training) dealers that know where to spin, how fast to spin and to meticulously aim for the zero(es) when there are plenty of outside bets and uncovered numbers (at least the wheel sector they are in) when spinning.

Dealers can be off in their spinning target (they have to increase their accuracy of their spinning) and when bettors start winning to0 much that dealer is quickly replaced.

Dear Proof i don't agree with you. First of all, full table can't lose, so dealer doesn't concners about his spinning at all. 

When he has crowded table, it is IMPOSSIBlE for him to calculate where is weakest bet and to spin on it... That is hard even for airball machines. I know that from experince. Playing alone on table is different thing.. don't play alone EVER. But when you are at the crowded table you shouldnt worry about this at all.
And i also know that if i am a dealer if i could spin and hit where i want that would be always big bet because of tips of course...
Casino can't lose money even if it wants. After all 99% of players are loser in one way or another, 0.9% wins more than lose in longterm and 0.1% are players who are winning constantly, but also not so big summs comparing their bankrol. So called PRO players.

So that dealer is playing against you on purpose is gamblers fallacy.

He is not paid with commission of casinos winnings at his table . He has sallary + given tips

Regards

Drazen

[Blood Angel]

 If anyone's interested I can post the proof.

Hi Bayes
I too am interested in this...very in fact 

[Lady K]

" If anyone's interested I can post the proof."

...me too please Bayes. Thank you. 

[warrior]

You will never see 10 blackjacks in a row so which ones more random,you will win more in roulette than in blackjack,look how hard the counters and how long they stay at the tables before there hot,if roulette players have the patience of blackjack players they would do well .

[RouletteExplorer]

"""You will never see 10 blackjacks"""

Ofcource. Deferent possibilities that are related on maths.

[Bayes]

Ok guys, I'll post the proof in the math section because it's a bit off-topic for this thread.

A little later...