explain why

[Turner]

Hello,
I have just commented on MS4 in full systems, but thought a general post may be a good idea.

I have seen wierd and wonderfull systems being hailed as "the best ever" but the author rarely explains what the theory is behind it.
I posted in there a while ago with no comment as usual LoL, but I did put an idea. It was called toggle system, and I stated that when red or black streaks (1,9,21) then the odd/even, high/low toggles (6,13) (2,36).
Even if its nonsense, its an idea behind what the system is about.

example 2: I am betting on the first number out with progression until it wins. why?. Because low appearing numbers generally don't sleep for 180 spins.
That could be nonsense, and can be argued about.

I mean, some of the matrix ideas have no explaination as to why you should be doing this. After 10 mins of writing down endless matix you end up betting that 12 numbers ago won't happen again, i.e.1 will be <17, or 7 will be even. Why? Why do you think that will happen, based on what?

I do see people racking up some mind blowingly massive system that when broken down is just simple and has no reason, then they get all upset because people start to pick holes in it.

ex: 1-1-1-1-1-1 where you bet 1 unit on 1doz, odd, red and C2. Its betting on the same numbers (13 wins, 19 with 6 break even) why? Why bet on those same numbers each time. Bet on any 13.
Please explain the theory, or don't you know?.

If you don't know then what's the point behind the system.

Turner

[woods101]

The reason for betting against the 12th number just drawn as oppossed to the 4th could be that due to law of the third the 4th number is more likely to repeat, as an example. I'm not saying this is a concious decision on the part of the system developer but it could be why he has better results than with other variations. Freq of repeats could have a bearing on any number of systems without the developer realising it possibly.
Should this matter tho, and does it matter to most? If some people use a system and it works for them, should it matter if they know why or not?
If someone showed me a system that worked very well, but I didn't understand why, this certainly wouldn't stop me from using it.

Woods

[Turner]

Thanks woods, but it doesn't take long in a thread before someone reports that it took a bad hit, and the basic idea behind the system may be the key to its failiure and if the idea isnt there then how would we know.
This is the chess player in me. I make flawed moves based on general principles that later in review were not correct because the idea behind my move was flawed. When I show my games to a better player at the club, they allways ask "what was the idea behind that move" and I tell them and they explain why that idea was incorrect and why it failed.

My point is if you dont know why a system has won, you arnt going to know why it lost all your bankroll

[woods101]

Fair point. It's nice to know I guess (providing they know!).
Regarding your Toggle system. It's always best to post any system separately, even if it's related to another one. People are more likely to see it as a new thread and comment on it.

Woods

[Turner]

LOL, I did post it seperate but it was when I started here (lots of views and 0 comments) Ive annoyed a few people since then, so I should get a few replies on my next one :-)

[Tomla021]

where is the toggle system ? i read it then wanted to reread
thanks

[GLC]

I mean, some of the matrix ideas have no explaination as to why you should be doing this. ex: 1-1-1-1-1-1 (2 things, 1. This is not a matrix idea.  2.  There's only 5 ea. 1's, not 6) where you bet 1 unit on 1doz, odd, red and C2. (You forgot the High 19-36 bet.) Its betting on the same numbers (13 wins, 19 with 6 break even) why? Why bet on those same numbers each time. Bet on any 13.
Please explain the theory, or don't you know?.

I bet Red and Odd because there are 10 each vs 8 Red and Even.  I bet High even chance and the 1st dozen because that covers 30 numbers.  I bet the 2nd column because that covers 8 Blacks which means that there are only 2 numbers that don't get hit by anything.  That's B22 and B24.  I'd say we have the board covered pretty well.  Finally, I can cover everything with 5 units.  To bet 13 numbers takes 13 units.  A smaller bankroll is needed for mine than for yours.

If you don't know then what's the point behind the system.

Most of us would agree with Woods101's comment that it's not necessary to know exactly why a system may work, as long as it works.  Most people aren't as interested in the "why it works" as much as in "does it work".  If you're interested in how or why and author created a system a certain way, just ask.  Most will be glad to clue you in.  I can tell you that most systems I read, I can figure out on my own why they did what they did.  It's rare to see a system that I don't understand what the author's doing.  If I don't, and it seems to have potential, and I feel that I need to know the theory behind it, I'll ask.  If it's that deep, the author will for sure know exactly why he's doing what he's doing.  Some people don't like to write as much as others.  They keep it short and sweet.
Turner

[Tomla021]

found it, no need for response,
thanks all