Demo vs Real Money Mode—Are they the same?

[superman]

2nd set
ps, the last 2 numbers in the previous file (2 posts up) are wrong, it ends on the 1st 26, the repeats were becaused I opened another software up over the game window so it re read the last number more than it should have, sorry. Will do a few more tomorrow.

[Normy2000]

If it can help, here are some sessions collected by myself at BV NZ. (you can trust at 100%) 

[Nickmsi]

Thanks Normy2000. They are much appreciated.   Nick

[Moxy]

Demo will let you win.  Now that has been established.  But regardless of your bet, real money play should eventually get you down back to zero with bankroll still intact of course. 

I am assuming that you would expect your overall win/loss to be at or close to a push since there's no edge right?

Let's take a look:

session win pct:  53% 

Well what did you expect?!  Half of your sessions are winners - half losers; it's a 50/50 game so the session win pct. is pretty much on cue.

average session win:  $16

That's an average of 533 units won per session of 1000 spins!  Are you kidding?!The other anomaly is the 61% ROI.  I assume you wagered every spin with a bet of .03 c to get an aggregate wager of $2310 in 78,000 - spins which I will interpret as 78,000 units wagered consisting of .03 c each.  You won $1,398.  Divide that by .03 c to get a take of 46,600 units won.  If you are hinting at the fact that your being cheated out of more winnings, if anything, your actually winning an exorbitant amount of units let alone the demo.  The demo is a complete fraud if you ask me. 

And if your point is to say that BV real money play is rigged against you, your evidence contrarily backfired on you.

[Nickmsi]

I agree, Moxy.  The results tend to look like you would expect from real money play.

When Norman2000 pointed out there were 20 consecutive 4's in the spin data that I used, it raised the specter of possible corrupted data. 

The OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) and NCIS in me says to do the test again, with an uncorrupted data file, just to be sure.

It is probably futile to do it again, but it only takes about 45 minutes or so to test the 78,000 spins.

Nick

[Moxy]

Wait what? 

I thought you played the demo and real money play in real time on their software with their RNG output.  I can only imagine how tedious 78,000 spins for both demo and real money though.

[Nickmsi]

Yes, Moxy, I played the Demo in Real Time, 1000 Auto spins at a time, but I could load 20 Demo Auto modes at one time and it took about an hour to do the 20,000 spins and I ran it on another computer that was not being used.

I also had the money mode done in real time by Superman as we in the USA cannot use BV. 

When I found out about the actual spins from Bayes, I could then test it much faster in Excel.

Hopefully, the BVNZ data from Superman and Norman2000 will be uncorrupted and enough to finalize this test and put it to bed.

Nick

[Bayes]

The difference with BV, as compared to other OCs, is that they have randomness control, and this is available in both demo and fun modes. I've never done such a test, but I HAVE lost bankrolls in demo mode before, I've also had some extremely good runs when playing with real money.

In spite of the hash function, I don't deny the possibility that they can discover your pattern of betting and throw up spins to make you lose (or win), but I do find it rather implausible that they would go to such lengths, which don't guarantee that they'll win (all you need to do is mix up your bets in order to make them unpredictable).

However, it will be an interesting test, although one test by one person won't be conclusive.

[maestro]

@Bayes..hi mate do you know if BV has option where we can get 37 spins generated when we play real instead of only 10 spins at the time...thanks

[superman]

do you know if BV has option where we can get 37 spins generated when we play real instead of only 10 spins at the time

Yes, you can generate as many as you want, I just tried 20, 30, 36, 37, 50 and it allowed it, 60 is max length, see attached image

[maestro]

thanks superman...is it a option there or just click over end enter desired spin amount...

[superman]

is it a option there or just click over end enter desired spin amount

Not exactly sure what you mean, the action you take is end the current set and enter a number between 1 and 60 of your choice.

[maestro]

say i start play real money all i see when i play is 10 noumbers generated as i play numbers going from 10 to 1 and it gives me new 10 number secuence in this little box above which you did show on above post..question is before i start play can i set it to 37 numbers and every time 37 numbers secuence finish new 37 block generates...thanks

[maestro]

@superman,thanks mate i just see what you meant..yes i can change it up to 60 and one more silly question what is other box next to it shift goes from 1 to 35 what does it do...thanks

[superman]

what is other box next to it shift goes from 1 to 35 what does it do

It shifts up, lets say they gave you

1,7,27,15,36

and you select shift 3, the numbers you would get would be

3,10,30,18,3