Yep, more gamblers fallacy for you. GOOD TIMES!

[MrJ]

My point/question being, how many positive FACTS can you name within roulette? Why not take a POSITIVE fact and try to make it into a decent method?

Ken

[macduff]

Yes Yes Yes its correct, was only making polite conversation, and only realised you had said or less after i had posted. 

[MrJ]

Yes Yes Yes its correct, was only making polite conversation, and only realised you had said or less after i had posted. 

No problem buddy.

Ken

[macduff]

My point/question being, how many positive FACTS can you name within roulette? Why not take a POSITIVE fact and try to make it into a decent method?

Ken

I think the fortress system is a decent method, though a progression is needed for constant profit, have you looked at that??

[MrJ]

I think the fortress system is a decent method, though a progression is needed for constant profit, have you looked at that? ?

Nope, I dont read other methods. 99.999999% of the time, myself and the author do not have the same views.

Ken

[MrJ]

As goofy as I think MauiSunset is, I do agree with his view regarding AP (cough) >>>

Advantage Play” (APAdvantage Play - the wacky idea that studying the Roulette wheel and the dealer will help you with Roulette - maybe 200 years ago but not today) is a gambling term that means you can gain the advantage over Roulette by studying the wheel and the croupier/dealer (I use the term dealer â€" I’m an American).
You can tell these folks are at your table since they all wear tin-foil hats â€" they are all wackos; they are living a life from 200 years ago.  They have a smug attitude about themselves that they’ve discovered the Holy Grail and you are just too stupid to appreciate them.
Basically they write down numbers trying to find a “defect” in the wheel and/or the “dealer’s signature” of spinning the ball.  Never mind the fact that in 200+ years the Roulette wheel is now so highly balanced, by computer lathes, that no amount of analysis of the spins will tell you anything.  The Roulette wheels are swapped out in a random sequence at most casinos and there is no way to tell if the wheel at your table today was there a month ago.  Also, the dealer is swapped out every hour for a break and a new dealer has a new “signature”.
AP gamblers have a cult following â€" they have given up on statistics and live in a world that doesn’t exist â€" maybe 200+ years ago AP worked but not today.  Also, AP Roulette players shun away from computerized Roulette games (Random Number Generators â€" RNGRandom Number Generator - hardware or software that generates random numbers) and must play on live Roulette tables.
Don’t listen to anything they have to say â€" it’s all psychobabble.

[macduff]

So Mr J, advantage play are you for or against. 

[MrJ]

     Hmmm, let me think. I'm sure AP (cough) worked great back in 1923......in 2012? 

Ken

[GARNabby]

I've never really taken roulette seriously, so far as spending too much time theorizing about, and playing, it.  However, one can't overlook the game while focusing on a few of the others.  In general, the HE is relatively-high, as slots; and when fairly-delivered, there's no way to undermine it.

Specifically, today's elaborately-constructed wheels would simply fail before reaching the sorts of concentrated combinations in device-biases required to show up any useful scientifically-qualitative/quantitative correlations of those (even after the obligatory tens-of-thousands of spins for a statistical determination of that), given the limitations in modern bearing-sizes, etc.  Further still, the "randomness" of the fair wheels, the majority after all, will get you into possibly millions of spins of "suspicious looking" data.  (As per "random walk" theory, in which the probabilities, or the ratios, of the outcomes can be approached to any given degree of accuracy but while the additive differences of each type of outcome may become arbitrarily large.)  And a bias could eventually counter another, or fade away on its own.

And, today's rules for spinning the ball, and the wheel, completely preclude even the theoretical values of things like roulette-computers, VB, and DS.  Even though it's not really about randomness, itself, it's still involves too many variables.

[MrJ]

"involves too many variables" >>> 

Ken

[GARNabby]

To clarify.  That i think it can't be "undermined", doesn't mean that it can't be consistently, or inconsistently, beat.  There may, or may not, be other sorts of games to play within this one.

[Gizmotron]

So please answer this. There are 38 slots on this wheel. The odds on any spin are 38 to 1 for any hot number to hit. Is it fallacy to expect it to act like these odds hour after hour? I almost never see the gaps occurring at the expected odds. I guess the odds are a moving target in the short run. They almost never fall on the expectation.

[MauiSunset]

So please answer this. There are 38 slots on this wheel. The odds on any spin are 38 to 1 for any hot number to hit. Is it fallacy to expect it to act like these odds hour after hour? I almost never see the gaps occurring at the expected odds. I guess the odds are a moving target in the short run. They almost never fall on the expectation.

The odds in Roulette are fixed and posted - they don't change - not in 200 years.


If the odds don't change then there is no such thing as a "hot" or "cold" number.  You may assign the title of Hot or Cold or MIA or whatever you want - means nothing to Roulette.

[Gizmotron]

MauiSunset - " If the odds don't change then there is no such thing as a "hot"or "cold"number."

Some people see 200 and only see the law of large numbers. Then they spout their own fundamentalist  dogmatic form of a modern day mathematical theology.

[MauiSunset]

I'm sorry, my posts keep getting deleted so this is my last post on this website.


Best of luck to all of you..................