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Freedom, money and debt - a question for you...

Started by Steve, Feb 15, 04:26 PM 2012

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Steve

This is unrelated to roulette.

Here's a question for you..

Consider a house like the following:

The floors are a simple concrete covered by insultation and carpet, so they are no different to modern houses.

The walls are thin and more like portable housing, but insultated with foam, and covered with plaster. From the inside, you can barely tell it apart from a normal brick veneer house (brick house with wood frame as almost all houses). It is well insulated and certainly strong enough for bad storms. The roof is simple tin, as many modern houses now have. From the outside, it may looks something like below:



It may be no mansion, but it can be as big as you want. It is a LOT cheaper to build, and still gives you all the creature comforts you need. If you paid for a "normal" brice veneer house of the same size, you'd pay around $350,000 (the house only, not land). But this house cost you $50,000.

It is on land that cost you about $50,000, and you have an acre of your own. So for your own house and land, you own it all for around $100,000 which isnt bad at all.

You have solar electricity and solar water heating. You dont need to be connected to the grid. If you make these yourself, a fully self-powered house with solar is about $5000. If you pay someone else to do it, it's about $15,000.

Food is produced from your land, or a comminity type farm. Just a small one with fruit and vegetables, some animals like chickens for eggs or whatever. You could live entirely on your property if needed. But you still have as job, although you dont need money anywhere as near as much because you only have a small mortage, and barely any expenses. You can have your cable tv and theater room if you want. You can still buy your popcorn or whatever, but most of what you eat is what your land produces - ie fruit and vegetables.

You wouldnt have a massive mortage for the rest of your life. You would only have a need to do limited trade, so you wont need as much money. So you live a simpler life, but you have total freedom. No need for any work or slavery. Work is more OPTIONAL and only needed if you want more of the creature comforts.

The main differences between this life and what you may have now are:

1. No huge debt
2. Freedom, and not as much need for trade or money
3. You live in a basic house. It is very similar to modern houses, except without marble or granite benches etc. Just a simple, neat house.

You'll still have your car and everything else. You and your family have everything you need.


Now the questions are would you leave your existing life for such a lifestyle? Think about it. I dont mean just hypothetically... Would you actually do it? Why or why not?








My reason for asking this is this year i'm buying land for a project like this for :.universalsymbiosis.org. It will be subdivided to build housing like what is described. Communities like this are becoming more common.

The biggest restriction for this kind of thing though is local councils. For example, the have restrictions on subdivisions, what you can build on your own land etc. But in australia, local councils are actually illegal as they're not recognized by the constitution. We had a referendum that prohibited their creation, but australia voted no. Thats another story though. But lawful or not, unfortunately just because something is unlawful doesnt mean it is not permitted. A judge would favour a council over a normal person despite the laws. Thats reality, not justice. So first I would seek approval from the local council to avoid trouble. I'm sure one mayor somewhere would see the benefit of the project's goals, and allow subdivision of land for this purpose, even when the land is zoned something like agricultural (much cheaper land). After all it would be used for agriculture too.

The ultimate aim of the project is to demonstrate people can live a comfortable life with most of their usual creature comforts, but without the life of debt and slavery.

Do you want to beat roulette for the money and wealth, or the freedom money can give?
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Iggy

Hi Steve;

For the freedom money can give...........

iggy

Steve

Money being freedom is an illusion. It is only needed if you make it part of your life, consciously or not. We were not born with it, and it is not essential. We choose to use it for trade. There's nothing wrong with this. The problem is the money is being controlled and manipulated mostly via the banks. Control a persons means of trade, and you control them if they rely on trade.
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Skakus

A ship moored in the harbour is safe, but that's not what ships are made for.

frost

its becoming realer and realer by the day. we need to wake up.

Steve

Skakus, thats a great video. Even clear enough for the dummies, least least you'd hope.
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vladir

Money As Debt II-Promises Unleashed-Full Length Documentary

Watch this, you may learn a thing or two... but be advised, you may not like what you learn.
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Gizmotron

Everyone should see this. It's  a Frontline, "The Warning."

link:://:.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/   55 min.

P.S. Nice video Skakus
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nitrix

I know someone who did it.

He bought a HUGE piece of land for 20'000$ and built a house on it by himself. Apparently, the materials and everything total near 10'000$ and it took also a bit of his personal time to build. There's a rock solid solar setup as well and a fully functional green farm (for summer/winter in Canada).

Of course, you could get a house worth 300'000$ if that makes you happy. But how long will it take you before it's really paid entirely? Just think about it. You're gonna spend 30-40 years of your life, paying house bills, food, electricity, hot water, ...

You work your WHOLE life to save money for later, and what do we do !? Are you hanging out when you're 80 years old? Do you have the same fun you could have right now? ... of course not! You are sitting on your rocking chair, moving back and forth.

It's not when you're old that you should enjoy life. (That's without mentioning not everyone can save enough money in time to do it). You should live it fully, and right now.

Trust me, that guy has a television, good heating, personal laptop, big comfort in a tiny tiny house.
He doesn't need more. He's always outside in the mountains, with his wife, dog and kids, doing rock climbings, playing with the animals, horse riding, fishing...

You simply have to learn to do things differently than you are used to. He has sheeps that we looove petting all the time. They are very affectionate, but you know, it's also your food, you have to stay detached from them, which is hard apparently. He told me "there's nothing like when I will eat this sheep. It's not just meal. As you chew the piece in your mouth, you remember the entire process when you raised that animal, when you butchered it, cooked it, and finally ate it. You cannot ignore that. You learn to be grateful."

He's not stressed. He doesn't care about taxes, doesn't care about the president, doesn't care about the economy, he just LIVE with that big grin on his face. No social problems, no notions of time..

It's an inspiration for everyone and everytime I see him, I have that warm feeling inside. It's such a simple and FUN life. You're literally free.

I should ask him his blog again, I think you could be interested.

I'm still 19 and i'm a bit extremist apparently, which I like. I follow my heart and I'm not scared doing what I love or what I feel is right. Not simply because I've been told to or that I should do it..

Anyway,
I suck at English.
Maybe you should youtube "homesteaders".
You'll immediately knows if it's right for you.
It really is a mindset, nothing more.
If you fear being judged, you're probably not surrounded by the good persons to support you in your decision.

Personally, I will do it.

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