Cycle Shift - Do you like long w-Streaks?

[Psilocyx]

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Nevermind. I won't be able to discuss this system if I need to keep waiting for a mod to approve my posts.

It's on VLS if anyone is curious.

[Psilocyx]

To add to this, I think that a good way to play this would be to play a Fibonacci progression on D1 while it's alternating, and to switch to flat betting D2 when it's streaking.

Any questions??? 

[Tomla021]

Not sure what this is all about?

[vladir]

Confused.... please enligthen us... ^^

[Psilocyx]

Every time I make a post I need to wait for a moderator to approve it first.. Well, not anymore at least haha! Well in that case I'll share it now, I'll just copy it over.

[Psilocyx]

What if there's a way to play 2 exact opposite bets at the same time. Opposite meaning while the one is winning, the other one is losing (sounds like EC bets, doesn't it?).

In Cycle Shift, you bet on 2 dozens. The dozens you bet on is determined by the 8th and 10th dozen prior to the current bet.

Bet selection is simple:
Observe the 8th and 10th dozen prior.

If the dozens are the same, you bet on the other 2 dozens.
(e.g.. 8th dozen: 2, 10th dozen: 2. Bet on dozens 1 and 3)

If the dozens are different, you bet on both those dozens.
(e.g.. 8th dozen: 2, 10th dozen: 3. Bet on dozens 2 and 3)

For the purposes of this system, the number that lands is irrelevant, so simply record the dozens using numbers 1 2 3.

Example:
3
3
1
3
2
1
3
3
3
2
1 < Bet on 1 and 3. Win
3 < Bet on 1 and 2. Lose
2 < Bet on 1 and 2. Win
1 < Bet on 1 and 3. Win
3 < Bet on 2 and 3. Win
etc.

I have to add that at any time you can choose to play the other bet (which is the remaining dozen). In which case you'll win 2 units and risking one, instead of the other way around. So even though this is focused around betting 2 dozens, the single dozen bet is always an option and thus isn't considered a "loss". Instead it's considered a win for the opposite bet.

Attached for your convenience is 1000 spins (generated using random.org). I've tracked the wins in 2 columns. The left column for betting on 2 dozens and the right column for betting on the one remaining dozen.

Scrolling down, you can see right off the bat there are some long win streaks, particularly on the double dozen side. This is what the system is about. Also attached is a line chart explaining (in small scale) what is happening throughout playing the system. As one side starts to win more than is normal (single dozen bets should only win once for every two double dozen wins), it goes further away from the average. The idea is that as it keeps going further and further from the average (zero), at some point the other side will need to win several times in a row to "catch up" and come back to the average. When you see this happen you can really bet on it.

Of course, there are many different ways to play this idea, and this thread is dedicated to brainstorming until we get the best way to play this.

For simplicity, lets call the 2 dozen bet D2 and the 1 dozen bet D1

Some observations of note:

- Mathematically, betting on 2 dozens for 1000 spins would win 666 times on average. In the spreadsheet, D2 wins 673 times. That's 100% correct, it's not supposed to win more than is normal for 2 dozen bets.

- The longest straight win streak for D2 is 17 wins in a row (from 328-344). At that point it dished out 25 wins in 26 spins (from 319-344). [This is the equivalent of a single dozen sleeping for 25 spins, hitting only once in between.]

- The longest win streak for D1 is 5, happening only once. Streaks of 4 wins happens a total of 6 times.

- The most congested part is 123-133, where D1 wins 9 times in 11 spins.

- Mathematically, D1 should win once for every two D2 wins. However, as you'll see, situations where D1 wins almost half of the spins is not uncommon.

- Observe rows 357-406, D1 wins 23 times in 51 spins. Almost half of the spins went to D1, and you can be sure that soon D2 is going to dish out a long streak to make up for it.

- This happens again at 480-529, again at 613-629, and at 870-888. Smaller examples exist throughout the spreadsheet.


Psilocyx.

[Psilocyx]

Attached here is a 5'000 spin sample. I think this is large enough for us to be able to get some accurate statistics that will help us determine the best times to play and possible progressions.

I really don't think we should discount the D1 bet simply because it seems to win less. D1 is only supposed to win a third of the time (which it does). But some times it will win about half of the spins. Can you imagine playing a single dozen bet and win half of the spins?

[TwoCatSam]

P

I scrolled through 500 spins and could not find a single "L".  At some point you're going to bet dozen A and B and C will hit.

No??

Sam

[Psilocyx]

P

I scrolled through 500 spins and could not find a single "L".  At some point you're going to bet dozen A and B and C will hit.

No??

Sam

Yes, a W on the other side is an L on the side you're betting on, that's obvious . The point is betting on the side that's winning, while it's winning.

[TwoCatSam]

********The point is betting on the side that's winning, while it's winning.***********

I"ll study your chart more. 

The above is the answer to all quests.

Sam

[Robeenhuut]

********The point is betting on the side that's winning, while it's winning.***********

I"ll study your chart more. 

The above is the answer to all quests.

Sam

We all quest to find an ultimate answer but we all need to understand a question first 

[TwoCatSam]

Here is my question:

We all know the run from hell is coming.  If it weren't, well............

How do we either acomodate the RFH  or dodge it completely?

".........that is the question."

Sam

[Psilocyx]

When the run from hell comes, simply switch to betting the winning side.

[TwoCatSam]

P

Let's see you do it with success.

It is easy to say, "just_______________".  It's a lot harder to do it.

Not being mean, negative, or critical--I just know what you say to do is very hard to do.  I'd like to see some examples.

Sam

[GLC]

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Let's see you do it with success.

It is easy to say, "just_______________".  It's a lot harder to do it.

Not being mean, negative, or critical--I just know what you say to do is very hard to do.  I'd like to see some examples.

Sam

My 2 cents worth.  It can't be done!

All we can do is set a trigger to jump from one to the other.  It's like betting R and B.  If you just bet R today, it may be the day when B is running strong.  So you either take it in the shorts or you say, "Dang, B's killing me.  I think I'll jump over to B."  Then as soon as you start betting B, R starts hitting the most and you're still on the losing side.  So you jump back over to R and now B comes to the forefront again.  We're all familiar with the concept.

If you can figure out a foolproof way of doing it here, the same idea should work on all bets and we can close down the forum except for posting who's winning the most, and head for Monte Carlo.  We'll rent a suite together, and start playing in shifts around the clock.  Once we close down Monte Carlo, we can head for the Bellagio in Vegas, they Tomla021 a wheel barrow full of black chips.  As you can tell, I'm prone to flights of fantasy.