Actual dealer vs. Roulette Evolution

[MrJ]

 

Ken

[TwoCatSam]

MrJ

I play Roulette Evoloution.  I called it "Roulette Revolution", which is part of my slight dsylexica/.  I add letters and things to words.

I find it totally fair and somewhat predictable.  We get tons of repeaters at Riverwind. 

I like the one-minute time frame.  I get into a rhythm and go like a daddy rabbit.

Sam

[MrJ]

......but do you feel you have a SMALL advantage (this might be the first time ever using that word) over an actual dealer because of the 100%, non-bias spins?

Ken

[Master_of_pockets]

"""""""""""......but when an actual dealer spins the ball, he/she does have the OPTION at wheel speed, WHERE to release the ball and at what speed to release it. Would that still be the definition of random?"""""""""

Yes Mr. J this is still random.
Because if the dealer can hit a sector in a wheel then this means that:
The wheel is tilted AND it has a scatter pattern of the scatter of the ball.

So If the above are true , then a VB player can also win in this wheel .... no matter what speed the dealer will give to the rotor and the ball , the vb player can adapt(measure) to those speeds and bet acordingly(if the 2 conditions that i posted above are OK)

You are a person that doesn t beliave in VB(ap).....so you should be the 1st person that you should have the opinion that a dealer can t aim a sector of the wheel....

You must chose :

1) VB can t win....so the dealer can not aim a sector OR
2) Vb can win .....so the dealr can aim a sector.

You are saying something completely oposite...that VB doesn t work , but a dealer can aim a sector in wheel....

Also no matter how many spins the ball will make or no matter what is the rotor speed, IF u don t have a tilt and a scatter pattern , then even if the dealer spin the ball and the rotor with the exact same speed in every spin, the outcomes will also be RAMDOM....

[MrJ]

TRUE, I don't believe in it but it does raise a good point in regards to....the dealer DOES have control over certain aspects of spinning while Roulette Evolution has none (supposedly)

Ken

[Master_of_pockets]

TRUE, I don't believe in it but it does raise a good point in regards to....the dealer DOES have control over certain aspects of spinning while Roulette Evolution has none (supposivly)

Ken

Yes sure ... dealer can decide the speed he / she is gonna give to the ball and the wheel but why do u care if the wheel doesn t have a cairtain stop point(TILT) and an average(steady) Jump of the ball(from the strike point number to the outcome number)? Not to mention that even if a wheel has this conditions you must also have a very trained dealer to do it....

So if u don t have those 3 factors, u don t have to worry about anything....you are playing in a random generator machine.

[MrJ]

That's fine but is it cool with you if I ask OTHERS their viewpoint?

Ken

[Master_of_pockets]

Did I lock the Topic?

You asked a question that involves the physics of the game...I know about this subject and I replied.

I can t see where is the problem....

[MrJ]

Did I lock the Topic?

You asked a question that involves the physics of the game...I know about this subject and I replied.

I can t see where is the problem....

No problem. If the topic bothers you in anyway, shoot me a PM and I'll delete it. Sorry for the troubles.

Ken

[Master_of_pockets]

For 1 more time I ll say that you asked for opinions...
I gave you mine...(actually it s not mine...its the physics opinion)

Take ir or leave it....

I can t understand why you made the conclusion that this topic bothers me....

I did nothing more or less than just a simple reply to your question

[MrJ]

 ht? Drop it. When people here get agitated, I click on 'posts' from that pers
Ken

[Master_of_pockets]

Geez, are you bored tonight? Drop it. When people here get agitated, I click on 'posts' from that person and start reading the last 30-50, looking for a PATTERN (found one).

Also, I must have asked this question at least 200 times over MANY years and RARELY do I get an answer......why is it that Advantage-play guys are more pissed at the world and attempt to put down method guys, all the while, its not (in general) the other way around? I STILL wait for that answer. Its like a CULT or something.

Ken

Mr J I think those AP guys have done bad things to ur phycolocy and when a person tells you that knows about the physics of the game you IMEDIATELY think that he is one of them LoL.

Yes I was playing VB before a lot of years and i was winning good.But now with the given conditions I can t play anymore so I am one of you Mr J....I am back in system playing and exploring .....

So you got upset without any reason....

I ll say once again that u asked a question that involved physics...and u got a reply.

I really can t understand why you tryed to pick up a fight....Jesus!

be cool , I am not the enemy....Apers aren t here . LoL

[Still]

Yes I was playing VB before a lot of years and i was winning good.But now with the given conditions I can t play anymore so I am one of you Mr J....I am back in system playing and exploring .....

What conditions are those? 

[MrJ]

@Masterofpockets >> I'm talking about Advantage-play guys in general. Do me a favor (it'll take a couple weeks). Read every roulette forum and every post in regards to the Advantage-play crew vs. method guys and tell me if you do not notice a BIG difference between the two.

Name calling and overall being arguementative in terms of roulette. Its AT LEAST an 80%/20% difference. Once again though, I'm NOT saying this is YOU.

Ken

[Master_of_pockets]

@Masterofpockets >> I'm talking about Advantage-play guys in general. Do me a favor (it'll take a couple weeks). Read every roulette forum and every post in regards to the Advantage-play crew vs. method guys and tell me if you do not notice a BIG difference between the two.

Name calling and overall being arguementative in terms of roulette. Its AT LEAST an 80%/20% difference. Once again though, I'm NOT saying this is YOU.

Ken

Mr J it will not take me a couple of weeks because I have already read almost all the topics-posts about the APers-method players and I already know the diferences between them...

Let me tell you my opinion in this subject and please don't get one more time upset...(some of my views will make u happy )

1) IF IF IF we find a Biased wheel (that favours the bias players to get the advantage) and IF IF IF  we find a tilted wheel with a scatter pattern (that will favour the VB players) then Advantage-play is indeed a winning way and the more you play , the more u win.
You are having also a REASON of WHY you are winning with those ways.

Bias reasons :
a)bad pockets
b)bad cone 
ETC are making the ball to stick in those pockers more...so You have a clear advantage so you can win in the long run

VB reasons:
Ball stop + average jump of the ball(scatter) make you able to predict (through measurements and NOT Voodoo) where the ball is luckily to stop...
so also have a genuine reason of why you can win in the long run

2)Method players UNFORTUNATELY(because I am also one of them now) can t win on the long run....simply because maths-stats-voodoo aren t a real reason of why to win.

3) (this is the point that you will love because i know how much u hate Apers)
Advantage-play is almost DEAD in 2012.....
WHY?
Because casinos are aware of those 2 Advantage-play methods and they have taken measurements for the Aps not to be able to win
The measurements:
Perfect wheels without biased pockets or tilts or scatter patters(small light balls ,low frets etc.

SO the conclusion is this:

Apers are desperate these days...they can t win ...or they can t even play(because they can t find any conditions)
So what they do is living with the past and remember those glory days...
And because they can t win-play anymore , they have the hobby to start fight with the method players....

I hope I solved all your questions that You have for so many years....

Ps. Advantage-play is a way to win , methods can t win(at least till now).
But now that Advantage-play doesn't exist ... they are both the same....

This was my opinion .... take it or leave it