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## 37 back to basics

Started by 6th-sense, Jun 09, 02:29 PM 2018

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#### MoneyT101

Quote from: Person S on Mar 24, 09:45 AM 2023In one philosophical system there is such a term - a horned hare.
In fantasy it exists, but in reality it doesn't.
Isn't that what we're looking for?

What I played is a winnable method.  But of course I had to make adjustments to be able to share on a PUBLIC platform.  If I had played properly 100% anyone can see what's happening.  You don't need pen and paper to do it.  It can be done just by looking at what came out.

You can literally teach a 5 year old and they would be able to do it with no problem.

Yours truly
A Horned Hare
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### Person S

Strange, but among the participants there are good programmers and mathematicians, and none of them managed to find a horned hare)
Here's a good piece of advice an old member gave me - imagine the roulette wheel is a big coin and every spin we toss it, the only thing that will help us win is that the coin will be corrupted. So it becomes clear that if there is no mechanical damage, then no matter how you throw it, nothing will come of it.

#### 6th-sense

Quote from: Herbyx on Mar 24, 08:43 AM 2023So there's nothing more to say about php

the only explanation is to explain it...ie what that paper by the proff is showing...betting on the otherhand is different....but the imformation helps you

i don,t think Mel will explain ...

#### Person S

Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 20, 06:16 PM 2023A few weeks ago I was told "The Problem of the Soccer Toto". (Not knowing the rules of the soccer toto, I got the explanation; for your benefit I shall repeat them.)

On a given Sunday, 13 soccer matches will be played. Each match has one of three possible outcomes, denoted by "1", "2" and "X" respectively. Hence there are 313 possible Sundays. For our purpose "Sunday" will be one of those 313 possible "columns" of height 13, with in each line one of the three permissible entries 1, 2 or X.

A toto form consists of a row of blanc columns of height 13; its user is free in his choice of the number of columns he is going to fill in. The question is to devise a strategy for filling in the minimal number of columns so that at least 1 column coincides with Sunday in at least 5 entries. Here we go.

Forget about the 5: what if at least 1 column should coincide with Sunday in at least 1 entry? Two columns won't do, for Sunday then could contain for each line an outcome missing in the corresponding line of the toto form. With 3 columns such that at least one row contains all three outcomes, at least one coincidence —in that row— is guaranteed. So far we needed 3 columns and have used only one row. Can we use the remaining 12 rows to increase the score? By filling those each with some permutation of the three outcomes, we force in each row precisely one coincidence with Sunday. Make in each column the count of coincidences: their sum being 13, their average is 4⅓. and their maximum (PPP) is ≥5. End of argument (heuristics included). Notice that there was no need at all to interpret the form as a table defining how, indeed, each object (=match) was placed in one compartment (=column).

But suppose that the question had been different: given a form in which 4 columns have been filled in such that each row contains each of the three possible outcomes, can you show that at least 1 column coincides in at least 4 entries with Sunday? Now the total number of coincidences is ≥13, the average count is ≥3¼, and hence the maximum count is ≥4. Please notice that in this case the metaphor of putting objects (=matches) into compartments (=columns) creates problems: an object may "occupy" two compartments! (It is utterly predictable how the average mathematician will save his face: "Sure! If generalize the problem, I don't take the matches but the coincidences as my objects! I would have done so right at the start, would I have known that you would generalize the problem!") So much for the avoidable obligation of identifying the "objects".

Someone can visualize that shape, I don't have enough understanding

#### 6th-sense

thats not the part to look at

#### praline

Or that's not an EWD to look at
I don't have TheHolyGrail.

#### MoneyT101

Another member just sent me a message and he also had a breakthrough!  Damn I must have shared to much info since you guys are picking up fast

Hmm this will be my last revealing post and will bring you guys to the finish line.  After this post I will no longer share info about this in the forum.  I suggest you guys to keep the info close.  Atleast a couple of years(give me atleast 10 years) so I can rob the casino quietly

Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 24, 02:45 PM 2023the only explanation is to explain it...ie what that paper by the proff is showing...betting on the otherhand is different....but the imformation helps you

i don,t think Mel will explain ...

What he wants an explanation on? The article you posted? Or the application in roulette?

The professor just showed us that without knowing the results we can know that one side will have 5 wins guaranteed in 13 games (side 1, side 2, side draw)

The dozens come to mind for a better understanding.  If you take 13 spins of random dozen there will be an appearance of 1 dozen minimum showing up 5 times.  It doesn't matter if you try to avoid it by playing 1231231231231

See 5 hits on 1

Now for the application in roulette in the past I explained it like this

I have two separate games each one has rules.

Game A and Game B

Or

System 1 and System 2

Dyksexlic called it twins he also referred to it as sunset/sunrise

Pri mentioned something about parallel universes

Redd/rrbb created dynamic number sets that proved repeats came from recent numbers

CarpeDiem refers to it as balance

Good luck!
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### praline

QuoteSomeone can visualize that shape, I don't have enough understanding

I can. But first you need to PROOF that you tried to understand that by yourself!

Something like the attached image.
I don't have TheHolyGrail.

#### 6th-sense

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Mar 24, 03:25 PM 2023What he wants an explanation on? The article you posted? Or the application in roulette?

only the php based explanation of php

#### 6th-sense

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Mar 24, 03:25 PM 2023The professor just showed us that without knowing the results we can know that one side will have 5 wins guaranteed in 13 games (side 1, side 2, side draw)

this is not the php the proff is showing

#### Person S

Quote from: praline on Mar 24, 03:36 PM 2023I can. But first you need to PROOF that you tried to understand that by yourself!

Something like the attached image.
I'm scratching my head, if I'm not lazy I'll try to understand. Looks strong. This is proof that I have no proof)

#### Person S

I also have many search-related manuscripts.
I burned a part, it turns out they are burning ;Д

#### 6th-sense

What he wants an explanation on? The article you posted? Or the application in roulette?

The professor just showed us that without knowing the results we can know that one side will have 5 wins guaranteed in 13 games (side 1, side 2, side draw)

The dozens come to mind for a better understanding.  If you take 13 spins of random dozen there will be an appearance of 1 dozen minimum showing up 5 times.  It doesn't matter if you try to avoid it by playing 1231231231231

Again this is not the php concept by dyslexic...how can it be ?

This has nothing to do with php concept by the proff...

How is a dozen appearing 5 times in 13 spins a php concept?

..no matter how many times a dozen appears ....there's no extra dozens to fit in 3 dozens ...

There's only 3 of them ...no more no less...

Same for str8...splits streets ds ...etc

#### MoneyT101

Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 24, 06:26 PM 2023Again this is not the php concept by dyslexic...how can it be ?

I never claimed it to be... I explained what the professor spoke about and then compared it to roulette using dozens for a better understanding using roulette terms.

I even distinguished by saying for the application in roulette...meaning its applied differently from what was previously shown using dozens.

Quote from: MoneyT101 on Mar 24, 03:25 PM 2023The professor just showed us that without knowing the results we can know that one side will have 5 wins guaranteed in 13 games (side 1, side 2, side draw)

The dozens come to mind for a better understanding.  If you take 13 spins of random dozen there will be an appearance of 1 dozen minimum showing up 5 times.  It doesn't matter if you try to avoid it by playing 1231231231231

See 5 hits on 1

Now for the application in roulette in the past I explained it like this
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

#### MoneyT101

Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 24, 06:26 PM 2023This has nothing to do with php concept by the proff...

How is a dozen appearing 5 times in 13 spins a php concept?

What do you mean it has nothing to do with php...

Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 20, 06:16 PM 2023Let me now relate to you two stories about the Pigeon-hole Principle that both amazed me; for me —but perhaps I am sensitive to the point of allergy— they suggest that the traditional Pigeon-hole Principle is a focal point of how mathematics is (but not should be) taught.

A few weeks ago I was told "The Problem of the Soccer Toto". (Not knowing the rules of the soccer toto, I got the explanation; for your benefit I shall repeat them.)

A toto form consists of a row of blanc columns of height 13; its user is free in his choice of the number of columns he is going to fill in. The question is to devise a strategy for filling in the minimal number of columns so that at least 1 column coincides with Sunday in at least 5 entries. Here we go.

1 Dozen appearing 5 times minimum in 13 spins is php.  Its the same exact scenario using the problem of the soccer toto.

The question would be how many spins do i need for 1 dozen to show up a minimum of 5 times? and to get the answer you would use php

Just like those random php questions you can find online.  How many socks do i need to pull from the drawer to get two of the same color? if i have 1 pair that is blue and 1 pair that is white? the answer is 3

Not sure where the misunderstanding happened but i hope its clear!
Simple once you get it!  Chased all the pigeons away and they were already in their hole

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