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Most members here agreed that Priyanka is a genuine professional at Roulette and did not cheat at Steve's multiplayer game.

Seems like there's a gap in the market for a good book on Roulette? And there's a whole syllabus of different concepts to learn - built from the ground up - as introduced by Priyanka since September 2015 (anniversary just under 2 months away now!). His or hers is also built on earlier research that is scattered about in different forums/topics/posts - equivalent to finding specialized journals in the academic world.

You have to admit: with concepts like edge, non-zero play, cycles, stitching bets, pigeon hole principle, VdW, parallel games, Porrondo's Paradox, Priyanka has really opened up a whole new way of playing Roulette that makes it way more fun and fascinating than any other game in existence in the gambling world?

Bayes' site is a good reference work for core principles, but he doesn't go as far as to try bring different components together in developing a system. Also, Bayes seems to doubt edge, bias, advantage and dependency - whereas Priyanka is trying to show that these things really do exist within different frameworks. Both of them don't always see eye to eye. And when it comes to Non-Random concepts Priyanka is a dab hand and obviously knows what she's doing.

Too much stuff on the "basics" described without context, comparison, combined components or application can be boring to read. Where Priyanka is at the cutting edge is that he/she knows a lot more about the basics than the rest of us, and most importantly knows how to synthesize them into a working flat-pack system that could be assembled/disassembled at will via the core components. What's more: Priyanka's English, Maths and presentation skills are second to none. And he/she has an excellent writing style too without rhetoric or waffle that is clear, concise and easy to comprehend - even for the layman. Bayes site has way too many advanced equations.

The holy grail need not be revealed - just the concepts, basic equations and results of certain tests and graphs. The recent GUT eBook was an interesting read; if Priyanka could match that in the illustrations department, whilst at the same time providing a coherent and interesting read, then I think he/she would be onto a winner!

I think a good book on Roulette would benefit the world greatly and really give people the immortality they deserve: Priyanka, Manrique (and Nono Santelli?). So there should also be a History/Hall of Fame section too - for the great Roulette masters - not to mention a biography section on the author and selected masters.
 
Depending on how much resources Priyanka has at his/her disposal, I see 2 potential options to consider:
Write and publish a book via a private publisher, ghostwriter or as an eBook. Or with the right cooperation: Steve could step down from the mechanical game for a bit and offer to fund and distribute this publication out of his own goodwill, on behalf of RouletteForum.CC. After all the accusations and attacks Priyanka received I think this would make a nice gesture of vindication?

Any thoughts? I think this is something we should actively encourage Priyanka to undertake before all knowledge is lost to the ravages of time?

 :wink:  NO! A BIG DOUBLE  NONO.

People don't deserve this kind of info.
Also, it won't be so popular. Something around 8% edge?! oh, please...
People want MILLIONS, INSTANTLY and without doing anything. :girl_to:

I envisage things differently: the book could include the aforementioned but without giving away the holy grail, hence the reader is still required to put in a lot of time and effort to learn the concepts and find the holy grail themselves. I would also like to learn more about the top players who discovered all these concepts, etc. Did you ever see the TV series like Atom or Story of Electricity or Light Fantastic? A format like that for Roulette would be so amazing.

Quote from: praline on Jul 29, 11:44 AM 2016People want MILLIONS, INSTANTLY and without doing anything

And if you give them what they want, they will sh*it on your carpet in the living room

Quote from: praline on Jul 29, 11:44 AM 2016Most members here agreed that Priyanka is a genuine professional at Roulette and did not cheat at Steve's multiplayer game.

QuoteShould Priyanka write and publish a book on Roulette?
Roflol

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would be nuts to publish a book.....

Quote from: praline on Jul 29, 12:03 PM 2016
And if you give them what they want, they will sh*it on your carpet in the living room

True - people are selfish and evil. I don't keep any friends and I'm even weary of my own family members. In this world you have to be ready for the next attack - could come from anywhere. People are your friend one day; your enemy the next.

Regardless of making money there is something very fascinating about the game itself, including the history of those players who progressed our understanding of random numbers. And although it's based on maths it's a really a whole new discipline of it's own; I only know how to describe this in terms of my favourite hobby: Kung Fu film fight scenes are really a choreographic video sequence of martial arts, dance, gymnastics and acrobatics - but many mistakenly, or too simplistically, see it as an application of martial arts alone.

Where are all the Rubik's Cube kids of the Roulette world? I think Priyanka could be one of the few exponents alive, relevant to this game, who possesses such merit beyond all the Savants out there. Rewards have been put up for the Roulette Holy Grail that nobody has yet claimed. Priyanka could instead get the Nobel prize for simply publishing such a multi-disciplined book with such original ideas, albeit without actually giving away the Holy Grail, so that the game can be appreciated without the stigma of Capitalism.

Priyanka has shown that it's not simply a case of waiting for 5 reds in a row then betting on 2 columns to gain 8% edge. There is so much more to this game that requires it's own unique academic syllabus. One PhD thesis alone would not do it justice.

Finally, Priyanka could reveal, from what must be a murky world of gangsters and secret societies, the eccentric personalities who have gone under the radar of the gambling world and indeed the media. What is 13 against the bank compared to a systematic demolition using statistics (Random), pigeonhole principle (Non-Random) and VdW (Non-Random)? That story of mathematical unification and alliance needs to be told! I leave you with what I think is best quote in the history of Roulette, Gambling, Mathematics (call it what you will):

"The casino is trying to predict and win over us rather than we predicting what the next spin is. We are just playing to prove the (VdW/AP) theorem right "

this is the best quote..


“Well, what, what new thing can they say to me that I don't know myself? And is that the point? The point here is that--one turn of the wheel, and everything changes, and these same moralizers will be the first (I'm sure of it) to come with friendly jokes to congratulate me. And they won't all turn away from me as they do now. Spit on them all! What am I now? Zéro. What may I be tomorrow? Tomorrow I may rise from the dead and begin to live anew! I may find the man in me before he's lost!”
― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Gambler

A book revealing a way to beat roulette would cause casinos to change the game, and possibly cause casinos to lose revenue as a result.  For example, a triple or quadruple zero wheel would cause people to avoid roulette altogether.   Or, pit bosses could be trained to spot players who have read the book, and ban them as they would ban someone radically changing bet sizes at the  blackjack table.   

But from what has been said, any principle that would beat the game of roulette would likely be applicable to many other random environments, including stock/commodity/money market fluctuations. 

Priyanka could write a book that gives away a small edge in those markets and reap royalties in perpetuity without killing those markets.  Possibly a smart reader could transfer application to roulette, and perhaps increase the edge by understanding the principles.  A book that just gives away a working method could mask the general principles enough that most would not figure it out enough to apply it to roulette. 

But as i understand it, Priyanka is under oath not to reveal much that actually works outright.  At least not on roulette. That's why i recommend offering something that works on a larger market. 

Absurdity  ::)

Still, I get where you are coming from, but I think the reality is a bit different...

Such a book, although providing foundation to the Holy Grail, should not reveal it outright. The reality then is not that people will get hold the of book, figure out the holy grail, and then the casinos lose revenue and have to change tactic.

Moreover, the book will only be ordered by those who have a passionate interest in the game, but most will see it as a conspiracy theory. A few may cry out and talk about the hallmarks of a holy grail - but most would simply ridicule it.

For example, if 9/11 is an inside-job then, the only people who get to appreciate the legacy of those who orchestrated it and came up with the Cold Fusion technology, are a select few people who have followed Dr. Judy Wood and Dr. Steven Jones, understood their part in all this, including the elite of the upper echelons who already control of the banks and casinos: "Remember 9/11? That was Uncle Steve... his name is in Back to the Future!"

Nobody would be proud, or feel like they had achieved anything, beating a penguin at Chess. At the end of the day Priyanka knows that appreciation only comes from true understanding, so if The General decided to show his appreciations to Priyanka then it wouldn't mean anything unless he had actually understood the concepts. Therefore, Priyanka would only ever have a few people in mind for the publication - but it would act as a means to providing the author with some legacy and immortality, including the main players that influenced Priyanka, providing a historical record of their background and research.

Therefore, the book would be more a record and testimony to Priyanka, his/her background of mastery, a tool/reference for those select few who have an open-mind and appreciate the things Priyanka is attempting to transmit (by covert means), and as a way of fulfilling curiosity and providing great satisfaction. Your coffee table would never be without such a book. And it would always remain specialised to those who know the truth.

Quote from: The General on Jul 29, 04:18 PM 2016Absurdity  ::)

Priyanka nods and agrees. (Missing turbo)

Quote from: Priyanka on Jul 29, 04:27 PM 2016
Priyanka nods and agrees. (Missing turbo)

Why did you acknowledge general the new idea is ignore

:(

 :o

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 29, 04:33 PM 2016
Why did you acknowledge general the new idea is ignore

:(

Well he is spot on with "Absurdity"

This could be the maddest post I ever read :o

Yes

Falkor is a character

He scares me sometimes

He throws around 9-11 like:

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Im afraid he wastes a lot of time because not many understand his posts and charts

If he better explained what he was doing then it would not be a waste of time

Unless ots for own self gratification

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 29, 05:28 PM 2016
Yes

Falkor is a character

He scares me sometimes

He throws around 9-11 like:

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Im afraid he wastes a lot of time because not many understand his posts and charts

If he better explained what he was doing then it would not be a waste of time

Unless ots for own self gratification

Here I was thinking am I the only one here that don't understand this stuff. 

Falknor, try to break it down more clearly so we can understand better  :thumbsup:

He is posting charts as if people understand it

Noone does

Maybe he thinks people get it? Maybe for attention?

Explain it more clearly thats why noone responds

I doubt Priyanka cares about an immortal legacy from publishing a roulette bible of sorts.  But it does seem Priyanka cares about limiting comprehension to as few as possible by dancing around a few principles. 

My proposal also limits comprehension to as few as possible, but starts with a simple working methodology with enough edge to put some bread in pocket, while wondering how it all works. 

Giving a working method with a slight edge would serve to mask the principles behind the edge. 

This would achieve the same thing: limit comprehension to as few as possible. 

However, i prefer my proposal because it would reward the most sooner than later. 

The other way, no one is rewarded unless they also are struck by the lightning of genius at some point.

And my question is this: Are those who persist until struck by the lightning of genius actually the most deserving of obtaining this knowledge?  Is this really a good way to sort out the righteous from the unrighteous...by giving gratuity only to intellectual Goliaths?  Are grey-matter giants the most deserving of this knowledge?

My proposal would reward potentially the poorest of the poor, sans ego, who persist, immediately, and provide proof of concept.  Once the concept is sufficiently proven, the way opens up for those of more modest intellect (but with a good heart) to persist enough to find the secret of the principles involved.

Quote from: The General on Jul 29, 04:18 PM 2016
Absurdity  ::)

Agreed but......what can ya do? Its the "new" era (play along, lol)

Ken

It's another Charles Hamshire like scam.

Quote from: Still on Jul 29, 11:51 PM 2016
I doubt Priyanka cares about an immortal legacy from publishing a roulette bible of sorts.  But it does seem Priyanka cares about limiting comprehension to as few as possible by dancing around a few principles. 

My proposal also limits comprehension to as few as possible, but starts with a simple working methodology with enough edge to put some bread in pocket, while wondering how it all works. 

Giving a working method with a slight edge would serve to mask the principles behind the edge. 

This would achieve the same thing: limit comprehension to as few as possible. 

However, i prefer my proposal because it would reward the most sooner than later. 

The other way, no one is rewarded unless they also are struck by the lightning of genius at some point.

And my question is this: Are those who persist until struck by the lightning of genius actually the most deserving of obtaining this knowledge?  Is this really a good way to sort out the righteous from the unrighteous...by giving gratuity only to intellectual Goliaths?  Are grey-matter giants the most deserving of this knowledge?

My proposal would reward potentially the poorest of the poor, sans ego, who persist, immediately, and provide proof of concept.  Once the concept is sufficiently proven, the way opens up for those of more modest intellect (but with a good heart) to persist enough to find the secret of the principles involved.

Watch out for the intelligent and watch out for the poor; they will all deceive you with their own evil ways. The poor are poor because they are lazy like the Greeks. You have to figure out something more difficult, in some respects, than even the Holy Grail: specifically, what kind of person does this - or rather - which kind of person doesn't do this?
"And if you give them what they want, they will sh*it on your carpet in the living room"

Any ideas??

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 30, 03:41 AM 2016"And if you give them what they want, they will sh*it on your carpet in the living room"

Any ideas??

Rug Doctor!
Its like an industrial carpet cleaner you can hire from most supermarkets.

Quote from: Turner on Jul 30, 04:17 AM 2016
Rug Doctor!
Its like an industrial carpet cleaner you can hire from most supermarkets.

Very good Turner :thumbsup:

Falkor,
Given all the abuse that Priyanka has received on this forum (and probably elsewhere), why would she write such a book?

If her methods are as good as you depict them to be, she would be better off just applying her methods and strategies making money at casinos in the UK and elsewhere.

Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jul 30, 05:36 PM 2016
Falkor,
Given all the abuse that Priyanka has received on this forum (and probably elsewhere), why would she write such a book?

If her methods are as good as you depict them to be, she would be better off just applying her methods and strategies making money at casinos in the UK and elsewhere.

Like I said: it's a conspiracy theory - currently at the ridicule stage - abuse is inevitable.

With such a book he/she may not be famous now - but would be in many years to come.

Priyanka deserves prestige. Making money is only half the fun. I wouldn't like to see all his/her research go down the drain... preservation is more important.

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 30, 07:45 PM 2016Like I said: it's a conspiracy theory - currently at the ridicule stage - abuse is inevitable.

Falkor if you really think Priyanka didnt cheat, and its all a "conspiracy theory", then either you didnt read or understand the facts. Or you're incredibly gullible.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 31, 07:16 PM 2016
Falkor if you really think Priyanka didnt cheat, and its all a "conspiracy theory", then either you didnt read or understand the facts. Or you're incredibly gullible.

It's possible that she did cheat, but can still beat the game without cheating? According to my calculations I've already gained mathematical edge based on Priyanka's teachings - though I haven't actually tested yet. I just want to see if I can gain more edge first and try to understand the game better. Priyanka has progressed my understanding more than any other member contribution to this forum (or elsewhere). It's just the retracking/dispersion killing and personal permanence parts that baffle me. Dispersion is meant to follow us around from table to table - even if we take a half hour break - so I'm wondering if edge/advantage also follows us around? Don't you find Roulette to be a bit spooky?  :lol:

Another good quote from Priyanka:
"0 and 0/00 are the biggest problems. Now lets assume that they are removed. Can someone give me a winning method? No. It might win, it might lose, if we play a random game. So even without 0, we are having a problem at hand."
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17014.15

The conspiracy theory isn't that she cheated - that's down to interpretation - the conspiracy fact here is that Priyanka can beat BV it seems and possibly American Roulette too!

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 31, 07:47 PM 2016It's possible that she did cheat, but can still beat the game without cheating?

Yes you can beat the game. But read the facts about the case. Perhaps you are not understanding them. I'm talking about things like the server logs. Those arent hearsay or mere opinion. They are very clear facts.

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 31, 07:47 PM 2016According to my calculations I've already gained mathematical edge based on Priyanka's teachings - though I haven't actually tested yet

Two contradictory statements. On another thread I explained at least one mistake in his (HIS) teachings. Again me saying its a mistake is not my opinion.

Anyway I just dont want you or anyone to be misled about what happened with the game. It is not for my gratification or anything. It is I dont like to sit by and see people chasing their tails.

Steve, have you got the raw log for us to analyse?

How do you explain all the efforts Priyanka has put into the Random Thoughts topics? Do you suspect she is testing with a biased simulator that had a bug in it causing her to win big; she then followed up on BV and happened to get lucky on that too whilst recording the video? Could that be why she came here to explain the principles behind her victories? Or do you suspect something more sinister in terms of cheating and rehearsing her winning BV videos; or could she just be outright delusional but good as a hacker?

Falkor, don't feed into this nonsense.

Here's the bottom line - if someone proves the game can be beat by math alone then Steve's 'work' is no longer needed.  So, why wouldn't he bash it all? 

I had asked to remove my account and just logged in to see the request hasn't been completed.  Bummer, eh?

I would love to stay and chat with you guys but I just can't be a part of promoting this guys 'work'. 

Good luck finding the "proof" - it's all there, Falkor.

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 31, 08:18 PM 2016Steve, have you got the raw log for us to analyse?

Yes but it's not appropriate for me to share logs for any players. I've already explained what the logs contain.

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 31, 08:18 PM 2016How do you explain all the efforts Priyanka has put into the Random Thoughts topics?

It's not uncommon for people to spend time on approaches that dont work.

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 31, 08:18 PM 2016Do you suspect she is testing with a biased simulator that had a bug in it causing her to win big; she then followed up on BV and happened to get lucky on that too whilst recording the video?

I dont k now what video you are referring to, but I suspect it was short term play. Anyone can show great results in short term.

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 31, 08:18 PM 2016Could that be why she came here to explain the principles behind her victories? Or do you suspect something more sinister in terms of cheating and rehearsing her winning BV videos; or could she just be outright delusional but good as a hacker?

There have been many members on forums that dont really have anything of value, but like attention. Maybe he's like that. Maybe he's just really trying to contribute, who knows. I'm just saying the facts as they are.

He didn't exactly hack anything. All thats needed is a program like Wireshark to see data your pc sends and receives, and then send different data from your pc to the server. It would take an average programmer a few minutes to figure out.

You are your own person, but I just suggest dont believe everything, and maintain healthy skepticism and an inquisitive mind. Not questioning and not fully thinking things through is likely to waste your time.

Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 31, 08:24 PM 2016Here's the bottom line - if someone proves the game can be beat by math alone then Steve's 'work' is no longer needed.  So, why wouldn't he bash it all? 

Actually if someone found a method better than what I already had, I'd be using it. If there was a "holy grail", I'd use it myself, and integrate it into secure software to allow others to use it either for fee or "pay as you go". That's exactly what I do with my currently best method.

Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 31, 08:24 PM 2016I would love to stay and chat with you guys but I just can't be a part of promoting this guys 'work'. 

Okay. Good luck with the martingale  :thumbsup: I'm against it, so it must work. Yes its best not to promote the only approaches ever to concern casinos. ps, I didnt invent this universe or physics. It was just there. Some people understand it, some dont.

Quote from: Steve on Jul 31, 08:34 PM 2016
Actually if someone found a method better than what I already had, I'd be using it. If there was a "holy grail", I'd use it myself, and integrate it into secure software to allow others to use it either for fee or "pay as you go". That's exactly what I do with my currently best method.

Okay. Good luck with the martingale  :thumbsup: I'm against it, so it must work. Yes its best not to promote the only approaches ever to concern casinos. ps, I didnt invent this universe or physics. It was just there. Some people understand it, some dont.

You wouldn't use it. You would sell it. There is a difference. 

There's also proof out there about JAA.  Is that your best method? Comical.

Since this is your world (aka forum) we will leave it at that. You will spin it any way you need to for more sign ups and more sales.  That's all it's about, right?

I'm wondering, are you willing to be wrong about what exists and what doesn't? And who cheats and who doesn't? 

I'm out.  There's life beyond this game and seeing you build forum after forum to promote your nonsense pains me.  Priyanka hasn't taken a dime from anyone.  Can you say the same?

3Nine, Steve is just trying to protect his fellow citizens and warn us about potential scams as he sees it - particularly those members who frequent this forum, i.e. on his own turf. Shame Steve can't share the log file as that's what would be needed in a court of law to convict Priyanka. I guess it must be due to the data protection act or some such?

QuoteYou are your own person, but I just suggest dont believe everything, and maintain healthy skepticism and an inquisitive mind. Not questioning and not fully thinking things through is likely to waste your time.

Well said!  :thumbsup:

QuoteGood luck finding the "proof" - it's all there, Falkor.

I'm still testing - thanks! I realised from the beginning it could all be a waste of time as per potential red flags duly noted by Steve, but I am happy to proceed as I find it a fascinating subject - and it keeps the brain stimulated (not many things can). I must have tried and failed with scores of systems before I began following Priyanka. It's a big sacrifice - but I find it beneficial all the same. Its not the money - it's the paradoxical nature of the game that keeps me interested.

So... Steve's investigation into Priyanka has finished and his findings are damning to say the least. However, my investigation still continues... she deserves a fair trial. Currently, I am following up on one of her official statements:

"If our selection process does not result in a random sequence but instead on a predictable pattern will these stats and distribution hold good."

This one, alone, deserves a separate trial I think!!!  8)

You still refer to him as a she

Lets get passed that hurdle first

Howeber i do understand this is the internet so who the hell knows what happened

Noone could ever know 100 percent

Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 31, 08:42 PM 2016You wouldn't use it. You would sell it. There is a difference.

I have numerous methods to beat roulette. I dont mind "selling" the less effective methods a mere $2500, but its actually "licensing" because not even the players get the algorithms for bet selection. Its in the software. My best method is shown at :.hybridroulettecomputer.com and the options to acquire it including getting it for $0.00 up-front and pay from winnings (See link:://:.roulettephysics.com/computer-service/). I make the most profit from giving it away free. In such arrangements, I sit at home and on my tv watch streamed video of players win inside the casino. Literally, that's what I do. Here:

OPTION 4: $0.00 up-front (access fee), plus "any payment you feel is justified" per 24/hr period of use

With this option, you buy your own equipment (phones etc). The exception is a $200 custom cable you get from me, although you can make it yourself if you prefer. The equipment costs approximately US$1,700 for a three-player team. Then to use the Hybrid, you pay "whatever you want".The catch is we give preferential access to the "highest paying teams": Basically the highest bidders get access to the servers, because we have limited servers and operators who oversee users. So if you only pay $100 when other teams pay us $10,000, we'll of course only work with the higher paying team.

You buy nothing from me except a $200 custom cable, but you can make it yourself if you really want and pay nothing. Basically you buy your own phones and earpieces.

Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 31, 08:42 PM 2016There's also proof out there about JAA.  Is that your best method? Comical.

You dont know anything about it. "JAA" is software. "Cross referencing" is the method to find and validate patterns. The "system" is physics.

In layman's terms, my system (you referred to as "jaa") is like a combination of the known and proven effective methods, rolled into one method. "Cross referencing" is a type of statistical analysis where each set of data is compared to others, to check for consistency. In doing this, we can better rely on short term data to uncover long-term patterns. That's comical?

Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 31, 08:42 PM 2016Since this is your world (aka forum) we will leave it at that. You will spin it any way you need to for more sign ups and more sales.  That's all it's about, right?

Nope. I dont need to stretch any truth. The truth is already available for anyone who cares to do proper research. For the roulette computers, anyone can test them free. As for jaa, all you'll find is deceptive trash about me, not the "system" itself. Let's not get into all that again. The truth about all my methods is easy to find.

Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 31, 08:42 PM 2016I'm wondering, are you willing to be wrong about what exists and what doesn't? And who cheats and who doesn't? 

Absolutely. You dont know me that well. I'm comfortable with who I am, and when I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting it. Too bad about the little sting when your pride gets hurt. Its good for you. Because the ability to admit mistakes clears the path to learning. If you hold tight to pride and trying to never be wrong, you harm yourself. Maybe you missed the recent thread with my apology to Kav (and Angelo, ok yes you too).

Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 31, 08:42 PM 2016I'm out.  There's life beyond this game and seeing you build forum after forum to promote your nonsense pains me.

Sorry to cause you pain.

Quote from: 3Nine on Jul 31, 08:42 PM 2016Priyanka hasn't taken a dime from anyone. Can you say the same?

Nope, you got me there. I openly and transparently trade values. It's called "business" and I trade with ethics and honesty. And I'm not attacking Priyanka. All I'm doing is explaining the facts about his results on the game. Why? Like Falkor said, to protect members. Do you remember Charles Edward Hampshire? When I warned inexperienced members about him, they attacked me and accused me of trying to censor the holy grail, because you know, it would be bad for my business...

Maybe Priyanka has something to offer, maybe not. I've explained the facts about what I know, and anyone can make up their own mind. I know from 20 years of experience, and basic knowledge of math and statistics, that critical claims he has made are incorrect. and I've explained about the game cheating too. I dont need to explain it all again.

Here is the kind of thing I see from my home tv:

link:s://:.youtube.com/v/bMqSGg7_XQk?rel=0

You have no idea about what I do. You assume based on preconceived ideas, and what idiots with ulterior motives said about me.

Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jul 31, 10:14 PM 2016
You still refer to him as a she

Lets get passed that hurdle first

Howeber i do understand this is the internet so who the hell knows what happened

Noone could ever know 100 percent

My girlfriend is jealous of Priyanka - says I give her too much time and not enough to my girlfriend! She saw Priyanka's avatar and thinks she's beautiful! :lol: I keep trying to tell her that Priyanka is a 53 year old man, but she doesn't believe me...

The jury currently believes Priyanka is innocent re: cheating. Steve has provided evidence, but hasn't yet managed to convince the majority.

As for writing a book, the jury hasn't reached a firm decision yet, so I guess we will have to make do with my "Random Thoughts A concise reference" source book.

QuoteSteve has provided evidence, but hasn't yet managed to convince the majority.

Not to be abrasive, but thats because of one or more of these:

* They dont understand the evidence
* They havent seen the evidence or even read what I published
* They arent thinking much about it
* They are gullible

Really any reasonable mind that took the time to research, read and understand, would conclude his results were likely due to cheating. And if they saw it all as admin, they'd know.

The forum has been through the same thing with a new master and hg many, many times. Theres no doubt he cheated. And theres no doubt he made incorrect statements about roulette. What I dont know is if his master system has any value. I suspect not, or even if it exists. But I dont think any of us will ever know. Again I just hope people have healthy skepticism with an inquisitive mind, and not be so gullible.

And be prepared to having wasted a lot of time. Whether or not thats ok depends on everyones intentions with roulette. ie have fun or serious business. Really its hard to find middle ground with roulette. The methods that work need a lot more dedication than typical systems and its not suitable for tourists.

And as I keep saying, if I wanted a busier forum and more 'sales', Id just shut up and let a flurry of  new posts occur. But instead I put the truth first. And I get attacked for that, like I did with ceh, hohn legend, alabalah etc. Really theres no point to promoting AP to a system player. Im not trying to. Im not trying to convert anyone for the sake of money. Its purely to help people, but you are free to think otherwise.

Steve must feel like nobody has taken his evidence seriously or given it much thought or the attention it deserves, hence the reason most people believe Priyanka is genuine. According to Steve that's a fatal mistake that could cost us all valuable free time and only goes to show how gullible people can be.

Sifu Priyanka's teachings have taken me the best part of 6 months to decipher - even I suspected her at first - but they are now clearer than ever:
1. Introduce a Non-Random component into our game: PHP (applied as cycles on a particular carpet position) - preferably paired up with VdW (another Non-Random component)
2. Identify the statistical constants being applied to the Non-Random patterns above: cycle length, order, defining element. Each element contains a constant ratio/odds associated with it - by default gives no advantage/edge.
3. Create a biased game by trying to tilt the above event ratios/constants in our favour to give greater probability/predictability under certain circumstances. This may involve tracking for repeats of cycle lengths or playing the previous 2 defining elements or tracking other carpet positions in parallel. The bias then increases and the event will no longer break even in the long run and the combinations (cycle lengths) can even reduce in number. I'm thinking that parallel games may also forge new events based on the "overlapping parts" from the original cycle events.
4. Stitch bets over multi-spin cycle events for better payout odds. The biased ratios (above) coupled with the payouts can then be calculated to gain profit/edge in the long run - seen through the mist of uneven distributions - albeit more predictable than the variance that comes from purely random play (see below).
5. Kill off Dispersion (another concept that Priyanka hasn't yet covered).

I'm at stages 3 and 4 right now - but it's looking very promising as a potential master system of great value indeed - possibly a HG? CL2 and CL3 for Quads are both under 50% - but VdW could potentially bring them both up to 50% by the simultaneous killing of dispersion (through virtual wins/losses) to maximise wins and reduce losses (see Manrique's "the Perfect Loser"), which in turn will filter out the losing CL1s and CL4s; so VdW could go hand-in-hand with Dispersion killing for handling 2 variables, increasing their bias, and at the same time rejecting the other 2.

Falkor/Pri,

You're contributing to the infection of ignorance. 

Quote from: Steve on Aug 01, 07:16 AM 2016Theres no doubt he cheated.

I have seen a debate about how extensive was Priyanka's access to some log system. 

Assuming total access to the log system, that is not proof of cheating unless the statistics for the leaderboard come directly, and only from the log. 

I doubt that is the case at all.

So there is no proof of cheating yet. 

yeah I dont buy the : "case closed Priyanka cheated" theory either

Quote from: The General on Aug 01, 01:02 PM 2016
Falkor/Pri,

You're contributing to the infection of ignorance.

But Pri's the one who's presenting new information; it's the rest of the board whose ignoring her, citing old information.

Its ok guys. Im just really really dumb. Although the logs make it perfectly clear he cheated, that can't be the case.  Detailed logs are meaningless. And i mean he even demonstrated the cheat one more time and sent me details, which also reflected in the logs. It's all clear as it can be.  But I must have made a mistake.  :thumbsup:

I think it is "case closed". If Steve said HE cheated, than HE cheated. Why is this so tough? Will I lose sleep over it? No.

Ken

Quickly growing out of forums

Bullshit that i dont know how people have time for

The need to endlessly justify one self

Pointless shit.

See you all.

We can be dragged around by the waves and become part of someone's opinion.....unless we get a firm hold of somethin...like a rock...and stand firm and assess correctly.

Neither side has proven anything to me. Steve may have his proof and it looks compelling...but I don't have this proof.
Just his words
Pri hasn't said a lot really....almost doesn't care.

How can anyone apart from Steve or Pri have an opinion..... unless they are being guided by the waves like drift wood.

Only Pri knows the absolute truth
But the burden of proof is Steve's

That old Russell's teapot between Earth and Mars again

i'm with turner on this

Isn't that what an opinion is? Not having facts, making a judgement call based on whats in front of you? An opinion is THEN formed?

Ken

Quote from: MrJ on Aug 01, 04:28 PM 2016
making a judgement call based on whats in front of you?

What's in front of you? Nothing.

Quote from: Turner on Aug 01, 04:22 PM 2016
We can be dragged around by the waves and become part of someone's opinion.....unless we get a firm hold of somethin...like a rock...and stand firm and assess correctly.

Neither side has proven anything to me. Steve may have his proof and it looks compelling...but I don't have this proof.
Just his words
Pri hasn't said a lot really....almost doesn't care.

How can anyone apart from Steve or Pri have an opinion..... unless they are being guided by the waves like drift wood.

Only Pri knows the absolute truth
But the burden of proof is Steve's

That old Russell's teapot between Earth and Mars again

Hasn't Pri said several times there was no edge playing cycles?  Am I missing something here?

Quote from: Scarface on Aug 01, 05:46 PM 2016
  Hasn't Pri said several times there was no edge playing cycles?  Am I missing something here?

Yeah...and the Magician says theres a woman in the box when he saws it in half.

Smoke and mirrors.

anyhow, I was talking about the great "Did Priyanka cheat" debate.

The outcome of which is very important in my life

I dont care about his system although I already explained his mistakes. I'm talking about the game. There's clear proof he cheated. I already explained it, and why people would actually believe he didnt cheat. Best of luck.

Quote from: Turner on Aug 01, 06:03 PM 2016
Yeah...and the Magician says theres a woman in the box when he saws it in half.

Smoke and mirrors.

anyhow, I was talking about the great "Did Priyanka cheat" debate.

The outcome of which is very important in my life

That make laugh.

Also make laugh

QuoteSmite my arse....little balls

Does anybody really care if she cheated.  I like her style.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: paulee on Aug 01, 09:25 PM 2016
Does anybody really care if she cheated.  I like her style.  :thumbsup:

I guess we are the opposite. I do think HE cheated and no, I dont like HIS style.

Ken

Quote from: Steve on Aug 01, 07:12 PM 2016There's clear proof he cheated. I already explained it, and why people would actually believe he didnt cheat.

The point i made was ignored so i'll repeat:

Does any of the data feeding the leaderboard come from the log(s)?

Yes/no?

Fact: There was a debate as to what kind of control Priyanka had over the logs. 

If the logs don't feed the leaderboard, then it does not matter how much control Priyanka had over the log(s).

Question: What is the source of the data feeding the leaderboard?

My concern: It has not yet been established how much control, if any, Priyanka had over what the next number would be coming. 

Unless Priyanka had access to the files you are using for the spins, then there is nothing here. 

Are you saying Priyanka had access to the files you are using for the spins?

Quote from: Still on Aug 02, 12:08 AM 2016Does any of the data feeding the leaderboard come from the log(s)?

The logs and database are separate. They dont influence each other. The logs show all actions and results, and the database stores totals like bankroll.

Quote from: Still on Aug 02, 12:08 AM 2016Question: What is the source of the data feeding the leaderboard?

It comes from the database.

Quote from: Still on Aug 02, 12:08 AM 2016My concern: It has not yet been established how much control, if any, Priyanka had over what the next number would be coming. 

No he didnt have control over that. As far as I can see there were two types of cheats. One was telling the server that he bet on a number that he didnt bet on. This was possible because the server sent the winning number to the player's pc BEFORE the pc sent the bets to the server. It was completely against how I asked the programmer to code, but he says its fixed now. The other cheat involved calculating the wins on his pc, then telling the server there was a win when there wasnt. The server didnt know any better at the time. Priyanka even explained it to me via PM, but I see no need to hide these facts from everyone. He basically says he COULD have cheated if he wanted, but didnt. The logs dont agree with him, and I can see what he did.

Quote from: Still on Aug 02, 12:08 AM 2016Are you saying Priyanka had access to the files you are using for the spins?

No the cheat simply involves changing the information sent between the player's pc and the server. Research free software called Wireshark which does that kind of thing.

How about a thread where Priyanka bets in real-time like Winkel and MumboJumbo did?

Quote from: Steve on Aug 02, 12:24 AM 2016No the cheat simply involves changing the information sent between the player's pc and the server. Research free software called Wireshark which does that kind of thing.

If you know what you doing, you don't need a third party software to do it.

The Jury is still out there for Pri to answer why was he Snipping the link: packet?  The only time someone could go through that extreme is to cheat.

Quote from: psimoes on Aug 02, 01:47 AM 2016
How about a thread where Priyanka bets in real-time like Winkel and MumboJumbo did?

Good idea! Or how about Priyanka vs. Winkel to see who can make the most money in 30 minutes?

That would prove nothing. Its short term. But if we like, maybe I can put a $1000 cash prize for the winner of the roulette game over a month. I dont earn anything from it, its just for fun. But there needs to be some conditions to ensure legal compliance. For ranking we'd use the current algorithm. Let me know on another thread if anyones interested. There needs to be enough people interested.

Steve,
That's nice of you. However, why not use an online casino of everyone's choice?

That defeats the purpose of a community game. And it wouldnt be possible to easily rank success. It could also get very messy too with faked screenshots.

Sure does. However, there are a few multi roulette player games that lets you see other players bets and no need for screen shots. It can be live at a certain time of the day.

It's real money. Not fun money. People can put their money where their mouth is.

I would need a gambling license to offer prizemoney for that. For it to be legal, it needs to be a game of skill instead of chance. It is skill, but convincing an ignorant government employee is a different story. So to offer the prize i would need to introduce deliberate 'triggers' in the spins, to make it a game of 'skill'.

Thought so. As with any other gambling laws around the world.

However, it's very easy for your multi-player to allow to see peoples bets.
This way, there is no complain about cheating.

Example: If I don't place bet and as log is sent back. My balance increases. I am sure people will complain.

This is your best checking option.

No one will try and cheat.

It can be done but if there was a way to cheat now, it would be done when nobody else is around.  And many players don't want their bets shown.

I realize many players don't want their bets shown. However, if you take a vote, I am sure after what pri has done people will agree they want to see the bets.

I guess, it's everyone's call.

I personally don't care. Just throwing ideas out.

Steve,
Just played your multi-player roulette.

From a bankroll of 1000 to 3900 or 4000 in 19 - 20 spins.  Either you still have a loop hole or I just got lucky.

Maybe I have a system that can beat Roulette in the long run.

There is one thing we both agree on and that is this:

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17183.msg162520;topicseen#msg162520

Luck.   ::)

Why would you belive that it could be anything different after only 20 spins???

LUCK is for you to beleive.

if you preaching luck read this: LUNITIC UNDER COMPUTER KEY.  That's you with AP playing.

Azim,

Take a little time to read on basic probability  and the history of the game.   :thumbsup:

General,

Just like you, I know how to change the odds in my favor.

Based on your posts, not likely. ::)

you are your own mind. that knows the box will always be a square so there is no way to make a circle out of that square.

I don't want any fame or anything. You can think what you want.

I just brought my balance down to 0.