Turbo, I will try to answer the questions (pls make them clear) but I'm not going to post on gf mainly because the admin is a lying sack of excrement. For now maybe only he and I know that. When i next post there i will add my own custom signature. But for now I'm not interested in posting interesting information on a forum with an admin that's a dickhead.
Pls pose your questions. Pride aside, let the truth prevail. Id be happy to be wrong.
Turbo, answers below:
1. The house edge (odds vs payout) apply to each spin independently, not a group of spins. But it is still often expressed over a group of spins, like say 37 spins ( eu wheel ). The problem with looking at groups of spins is you get stuck thinking you in any way changed the odds.
2. I dont understand what you are saying in this point. But two players with a combined result is just a bunch of independent results.
What youve said is not quite accurate. Its like stating an average rainfall amount each month. Knowing it still doesnt tell you if it will rain tomorrow. And even if guessed correctly it rained tomorrow, the rain god might say "tricked ya" and change his mind so you are guaranteed to be wrong at least one guess each month. The house edge is similar.
Which questions is he answering? Maybe I'm missing something here. In that case I apologizes...
I have read Turbos comments in the past. I think he evolves from system player to a more random player. Random is a fascinating subject and it is really interesting.
He also claims that the game of roulette is beatable by math. If you run a lot of spins you will see that the averages is the same. Maybe not exactly as law of the third but it is not long far away.
For me I really like playing the repeaters and with help of learning from KTF, WTF and later GUT. I have learned a lot and I read for example Turbos posts with other knowledge. He is trying to say something but hides it in riddles and bragging about how good he is with help of graphs and bankrolls. But he still has something to tell. I think I figured out how he plays but I'm not 100% sure.
It would be really interesting to see an example how he is playing? But to see an example of that maybe is aiming for the stars :smile:
But I'm fascinated by the random and how you can use that with help of averages. Maybe that is not the correct way to go but it works for me and I should really want to learn more about the random. But where to continue I do not know. Maybe you have some tips? Or someone else...
So the problem we had before with people disrupting the posts on the forum I think have stopped. Now its more easier to read about roulette and that is we all here for. How do we beat a fascinating game like this. That is the question O0
- Tuddilue
Random means no possible change in odds. It might mean even spread of results in the long term but that DOES NOT HELP AT ALL.
Its easy to know. Just keep testing. If the system eventually tanks then you were wrong.
Turbo specifically said he is not speaking in riddles.
He is posing questions that I'm answering. Turbo, perhaps post here because I'm interested in discussing this in an open manner for everyone's benefit, and i can answer correctly. This forum is back to productive discussion.
At one stage i thought as most people here. Then i learned. Im trying to help people understand why you can only beat roulette by changing odds. Its really a simple concept but most people are stuck in wrong thought patterns.
A primary problem is thinking progression is anything but different size wagers on different spins with the same odds.
If I'm not mistaken. ...I think TG knows how to code. So he probably let it run for millions of spins already. So he should know the outcome of what's gonna happen in the future for his system.
Just mention it :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Dec 30, 04:33 AM 2016
Random means no possible change in odds. It might mean even spread of results in the long term but that DOES NOT HELP AT ALL.
Its easy to know. Just keep testing. If the system eventually tanks then you were wrong.
Turbo specifically said he is not speaking in riddles.
He is posing questions that I'm answering. Turbo, perhaps post here because I'm interested in discussing this in an open manner for everyone's benefit, and i can answer correctly. This forum is back to productive discussion.
At one stage i thought as most people here. Then i learned. Im trying to help people understand why you can only beat roulette by changing odds. Its really a simple concept but most people are stuck in wrong thought patterns.
A primary problem is thinking progression is anything but different size wagers on different spins with the same odds.
Yes I agree on the random part. But I think it is more into the random than that.
Yes riddles maybe is a wrong word but what I mean is he tries to explain but how he explains becomes riddles for people who doesn't understand :smile:
I think a better way can be to explain it with help of 37 spin cycles and actual spin numbers with comments of how to think. I do not want a step by step explanation. More how to think and how to handle the random. I even doesn't know if it possible to do. But for the average player it should be graspable.
But for starters you two need to be here and start to discuss. Would be interesting but is it doable I do not know...
- Tuddilue
Turbo did you code in rx and test millions of spins yet?
Lets not do this multiple forum thing. Please discuss here
Hi Steve - I haven't honestly been looking at other forums aside from the one where I'm at now...
and didn't want to get into posting the same thing in multiple places - but I'll try to comment here along with "there" because I think it's good for everyone.
I can recreate the same style thread here with you as the person to verify what I say - but doing both places at the same time might mean a delay in replying.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 29, 08:57 PM 2016Turbo, answers below:
1. The house edge (odds vs payout) apply to each spin independently, not a group of spins. But it is still often expressed over a group of spins, like say 37 spins ( eu wheel ). The problem with looking at groups of spins is you get stuck thinking you in any way changed the odds.
2. I dont understand what you are saying in this point. But two players with a combined result is just a bunch of independent results.
What youve said is not quite accurate. Its like stating an average rainfall amount each month. Knowing it still doesnt tell you if it will rain tomorrow. And even if guessed correctly it rained tomorrow, the rain god might say "tricked ya" and change his mind so you are guaranteed to be wrong at least one guess each month. The house edge is similar.
My point in that first post was to show and explain that the house edge is made up of a total of all players and all bets. The two players that I picked out to use for example (one did above expected and one did below expected) had two different results obviously, the casino however - had the same house edge in the end because it factors all players and all results.
There was no real method or system at work here - all players (38) simply flat bet every spin on their own number. Combined, they lost at exactly the house edge.
Hi, the expectation of loss or amount of wins for each number on average is predictable but not to the point where the next spins odds are changed.
The house edge comes from the odds vs payout for an individual spin. So i disagree with you on this point but maybe let's keep moving anyway
Quote from: Steve on Dec 30, 04:21 PM 2016The house edge comes from the odds vs payout for an individual spin. So i disagree with you on this point
That is true - but it also matches up exactly with the combination of all player's bets over a period of time - the house edge still remains at 5.26% (as I showed with the "summary statistics" graphic.)
So one spin - one player - the house edge is the same.
38 spins for 3 cycles of spins with 38 players betting every spin ? - the house edge is the same.
It doesn't change based on who bets where, or what player won or what player lost..
Most of the players individually don't end the 3 cycles with -5.26% result - some are above that, some are below that - the house though got exactly what it was expecting from all players combined results.
My point was that 1 spin or a group of spins - a winning player or a losing player - the house has it's edge when these are combined.
This should be a good argument for the "anti-system" people because they can point to the math and say "See ? Just because someone won 7 times - it doesn't mean anything because the other players lost and the overall result was a win for the house - and maybe the next 3 cycles of spins that winning player won't win again" or etc etc. That would be a reasonable argument at this point. That "long term" (much more than a measly 3 cycles of spins) this player will be doomed to sit at -5.26% with everyone else.
The forum back and forth stuff is so childish. Just post here lol
Turbo, ok lets move to the next question.
You already have 2 trolling your thread on gf. Won't happen here. If u prefer ask mike to focus here too.
I can deal with it. I'm sure at some point the thread will be cleaned up.
I'll copy/paste - it will save me some typing time lol.
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The next post is about what happens when the players (instead of flat betting their number every spin) decide to use a system based on repeaters.
Here are the same spins - the same players - still flat betting only on their number.
The only difference is that each player begins betting on their number only once it shows.
So here are the results to compare to the last 3 cycles. We haven't even put in a progression yet - the only thing that is different is that they are playing for a repeat to happen on their number (and they won't remove their bets - they'll just start betting their number once it shows and then every spin after that until the end of the 3 cycles)
This is the data for all players combined (the house edge from the last test was exactly 5.26% as it should be)
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So ALL players ended as a group EVEN. The house edge 0.00 !
This is a fact - it is not trickery or curve fitting, or reverse engineering - it is simply how random works.
We are still at the basic level here. 2,808 bets of $1.00 each were placed - that's a pretty good amount
considering each bet from each player was only $1.00 flat betting every spin.
I want to also now look at the two examples from above - player 4 and player 10.
Player 4 had to sacrifice 1 win and ended with 6 wins instead of 7.
Player 4 ended with a balance of +$109.00
Player 10 NEVER lost a bet. Player 10 ended even at +- $.00
As compared to the last set of 3 cycles - Player 4 had won $138.00 and now has $109.00
Player 10 had LOST $114.00 and has now lost $0.00
By only adding this fist basic step of each player betting their number after it appears (and from then on)
The group ended EVEN - The house edge 0.00%. 2,808 bets were placed after 114 spins and the house edge was 0.
Truth ? Of course. More to come.
The method of bet selection is unclear. Pls elaborate or give simple examples.
I cant comment much until i fully understand what you mean
Quote from: Steve on Dec 30, 08:34 PM 2016The method of bet selection is unclear. Pls elaborate or give simple examples.
I cant comment much until i fully understand what you mean
In the first example - each player 1-38 is betting 1.00 per spin on their own number.
They bet for 3 cycles of spins and in the end - the house edge is (as expected).
In the second example - the house edge is 0% and the winning players still win. The only difference between the two is that in the second case there is a "system" at work which states that a player only bets once their number shows.
2,808 bets were placed and in the end the house edge was 0% and as a group the players lost nothing.
As compared to the first example where they all ended at the house edge of -228 units lost. (5.26%)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Dec 30, 09:25 PM 2016
In the first example - each player 1-38 is betting 1.00 per spin on their own number.
They bet for 3 cycles of spins and in the end - the house edge is (as expected).
In the second example - the house edge is 0% and the winning players still win. The only difference between the two is that in the second case there is a "system" at work which states that a player only bets once their number shows.
2,808 bets were placed and in the end the house edge was 0% and as a group the players lost nothing.
As compared to the first example where they all ended at the house edge of -228 units lost. (5.26%)
How is each of their numbers selected? And whats a cycle of spins?
Quote from: Steve on Dec 30, 10:16 PM 2016
How is each of their numbers selected? And whats a cycle of spins?
Interesting reading!
Turbo stated it in post 7.
Each number = own number of choice.
Cycle of spins = 38 numbers.
Please continue.
- Tuddilue
Ok understood, pls continue
The next post is about a comment that what happens to a group of players isn't relevant really to a single individual.. So basically the group of people ended their 3 cycles of spins "even" (the house won nothing) but that this wasn't relevant to a single person playing.
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This is a little ahead of where I want to be but lets cover this now since you brought it up.
I'll consider this Post 3 in the thread on my part.
Player A flat bets one number every spin (that's his/her system for whatever reason) lets say #1
Player B flat bets 3 numbers every spin (according to "their" method/system) lets say #3,#4,#5
Player C flat bets A and B's numbers every spin (#1,#3,#4,#5)
There is no difference between the "group" of A and B's results vs the results of C.
Player C is basically where we're going here - and in the next post I can close the "loop" of these 3 posts.
The next post was about how things aren't being judged equally - how the players in the second run of 3 cycles bet less spins and played less units overall so it's not fair to judge the results against one another.
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But it is.
We already know what happens when each player equally bets all spins equally for the same number of spins.
It ends at the house edge perfectly as it should. The group loses at the house edge (exactly)
The means of using a system or method which states x,y or z means that each player isn't betting equally anymore. So for the house - it gained nothing - the losing player #10 lost nothing. The winners still won (aside from the first potential win they missed out on).
So we know that this equality among all players produces exactly what is expected. And we know that this group playing a "repeater" style method for these 3 cycles managed to end even and not where the math says they should.
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We could add spins - or make each player bet the same number of spins overall.. or maybe stop when they have all bet the same amount ? There are lots of ways to force the group to bet equally (but we already know what happens - they end as a group at the house edge as expected). And betting equally isn't what a system is all about in the first place. It's about doing something specific in an effort to change the end result from negative to positive.
When we implement this "repeater" style method/system though - now we have players that begin betting for some specific reason and the results have changed.
It would be a good analogy to compare this to any experiment where you have a control group (the first post) which shows what "doing nothing" results in - vs the experiment where things are changed that affect the outcome. If we force both groups to do things equally - then there's no point in the experiment and the results will be the same.
Turbo I'm currently enroute to harahs from Long Island
Be there at 5
Enjoy !
I was supposed to go to Parx today - but it appears that it may end up being tomorrow.
Your path will bring you pretty damn close to where I live lol.
I'll put on coffee just in case.
Lol
Spontaneous trip. One night
Room was 150
Quote from: TurboGenius on Dec 31, 08:49 AM 2016The next post is about a comment that what happens to a group of players isn't relevant really to a single individual..
Correct, there is no connection.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Dec 31, 08:49 AM 2016Player A flat bets one number every spin (that's his/her system for whatever reason) lets say #1
Player B flat bets 3 numbers every spin (according to "their" method/system) lets say #3,#4,#5
Player C flat bets A and B's numbers every spin (#1,#3,#4,#5)
There is no difference between the "group" of A and B's results vs the results of C.
Player C is basically where we're going here - and in the next post I can close the "loop" of these 3 posts.
This is just a variety of different bets. It doesnt matter who makes them.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 01, 01:30 PM 2017We could add spins - or make each player bet the same number of spins overall.. or maybe stop when they have all bet the same amount ?
I dont see how this would make any difference. If there are multiple players, at some stage they might have wagered the same amount. But there is still no connection.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 01, 01:30 PM 2017When we implement this "repeater" style method/system though - now we have players that begin betting for some specific reason and the results have changed.
How will the results have changed if the accuracy of bet selection is still no better than random?
Random is still random if there's an expectation of 1 in 37 hit for single number bet. There might be different approaches for bet selection, and different accuracy for a specific group of spins, but it is still just random.
I'm not sure where you're leading with this but I'm still following what you post.
Well, to recap then (here).
Part 1 all players bet every spin for 3 cycles of spins and ended at the house edge (as expected).
Part 2 all players bet only when their number showed for the first time - they ended even and the house edge was 0.00%. Same number of spins and same bet amount per spin.
So this was to show that using a method based on repeaters changed the outcome.
There is of course debate that the comparison isn't fair because all variables were not equal (which would make no sense really - and it would not be a system/method anymore and the results would have been the same for both tests).
So then I attempted to explain that a "group" or players or a single player betting the same numbers as the group would make no difference (true.)
That past spins mean nothing (because they don't). That single player can play from the first spin and the history board isn't used. This also avoids virtual bets or "triggers" so to speak - they are simply betting the numbers as they appear.
Part 2 (test results) showed that the player who lost because their number never showed has been eliminated since now they haven't bet (or lost anything). The player who won the most only missed out on one win because he wasn't playing that number until it appeared (which of course could have been spin #1 when you consider the big picture).
So to continue (since I'm pretty sure no one disagrees with this so far ?) I will get into how the math of the game changes due to what happened in Part 2.
But aren't you making the assumption that a number will show up sooner if it has already just hit?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 06, 05:17 PM 2017
I will get into how the math of the game changes due to what happened in Part 2.
And how it can create a gap up to 1000 spins to reach a new high bank roll . ;)
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 06, 06:58 PM 2017But aren't you making the assumption that a number will show up sooner if it has already just hit?
Absolutely not.
A number appearing doesn't mean that the time that it takes to appear again will be anything other than what it would normally be. It could be the next spin - or hundreds of spins. So no assumptions here, and that has nothing to do with where I'm going with this.
How about the third step? How do you want to continue @turbo?
Thanks..
- Tuddilue
We're ready for the next step.... :thumbsup:
TG in my opinion gave up. Maybe he lost a session (as he said he will visit casinos in January) :(
Quote from: jefra on Jan 27, 03:17 AM 2017
TG in my opinion gave up. Maybe he lost a session (as he said he will visit casinos in January) :(
Every method loses sometimes. As long it isn't frequently it's all good. It's actually pretty hard to not be in profit each session. As long the progression is used wisely. Progressions need to be applied over time. Use the math each spin and calculate if and when it's necessary to use it. Many sessions I don't even need to use one.
The trick is to reset on time or your "group" could turn cold. Not sure if I play as TG does but I'm sure I'm pretty damn close.
I'm done within 2 cycles mostly
Also don't use a progression that recovers losses in 1 hit. Let's aim for couple of hits.
My rng systems win most of the time in say 200 spins. It's what happens when they lose that makes reality obvious.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 27, 05:48 AM 2017
My rng systems win most of the time in say 200 spins. It's what happens when they lose that makes reality obvious.
Problem with roulette is to increase the accuracy of prediction (as you use to say) why don't you give us some hints about your betselections? Is the wheel-bet/wheel-sectors/wheel-predictions the only way?
I've said it all many times. See my past posts. I try to help but most people aren't interested to understand why i say certain things.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 27, 06:30 AM 2017
I've said it all many times. See my past posts. I try to help but most people aren't interested to understand why i say certain things.
I read what you said, but then we can all give up the carpet and concentrate on the wheel?
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 27, 06:33 AM 2017
I read what you said, but then we can all give up the carpet and concentrate on the wheel?
That's an easy one. YES.
The carpet is there to place our bets on only. It has no other purpose.
Inside bets only !
The betting table has as much to do about the winning number as my tv.
The most obvious is focus on what determines the winning number. The variables like wheel. My system correlates variables and spin outcomes which is the most logical approach. What could be more logical than cause and effect??
But maybe you can focus on other methods of bet selection. Chaos theory, precog, who knows. Just not progression and the usual stuff.
ok thx
Roulette is a game of illusion. You'd be surprised. Once it's understood, winning is not at all difficult. It's then more about time and avoiding detection.
You cant beat every wheel but you don't need to for it to be practical. Just like not every investment or business venture will be profitable.
Quote from: jefra on Jan 27, 03:17 AM 2017
TG in my opinion gave up. Maybe he lost a session (as he said he will visit casinos in January) :(
For starters - as I said - it "can't" lose and therefore it hasn't lost.
The math prevents it from losing. I'm pretty sure that I made that clear a long time ago.
hahaha what a joker ;D ;D ;D :twisted: :thumbsup:
TG, if you play airball machines, then all can be possible!!! Even loss of your "Holy Grail" system. Even Steve can lose with his RNG system on airballs ;-)
Denzie;
If you think that TG waits on 12 numbers that has not came out in a cycle, and then bet on them and use a progression on those numbers; then I think that you are wrong.
Of course, a system CANNOT lose only if a player has unlimited bankroll ;-)
Turbo,
How many spins can your progression go and still be able to attain a positive result?
@Jefra...
I'm really not talking about 12 numbers at all... I just tested that one.....
I'm currently playing a method about everything TG said. .... with great success...
It toke me sometime to figure it out. ....but I found it :thumbsup:
You have the hg denzie?
One system is no better than another because it's all random accuracy betting. Same odds, same payouts, same thing.
I want to be proven wrong.
My opinion
Turbo has it
He doesn't have to lie or need to lie
He bets repeaters
In and of itself that is the Hg
37 spins cycles you will have numbers that hit 3 to 4 times
So when a number hits twice start betting it
I guess bankroll and patience is required
Remember........here is a thread that Turbogenius started with links to his best systems:
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=17157.msg158555#msg158555
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Everything from my site (now closed)
1 unit per visit :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20121104154420/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/1unitpervisit.htm
10 percent method modified :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20121104154717/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/10percentmodified.htm
123 Turbo Street :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20121104170849/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/123turbostreet.htm
3 Streets System :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20130928030616/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/3streetssystem.htm
456 Turbo Street : (was on the site I was admin at - had never gotten it to my website)
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20080208175815/link:://gambling.projectsydney.com/viewtopic.php?t=598
4 Spin Sequence Method :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120919025639/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/4spinsequencesystem.htm
50 Max :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20121104162233/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/50max.htm
5 Spin Progression Method :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120825153413/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/5spinprogression.htm
6 Streets :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120919030520/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/6streetssystem.htm
Abacus Roulette : (was on the site I was admin at - had never gotten it to my website)
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20071223004620/link:://gambling.projectsydney.com/viewtopic.php?t=860
Hot vs Cold testing :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120819000604/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/anotherhotcoldtest.htm
Farthest Back Method :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120924001343/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/farthestback.htm
Law of 3rd for streets method :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120919025509/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/lawof3rdstreets.htm
Million in May system for 2 to 1 bets :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120924001348/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/mimfor2to1.htm
Million in May for streets :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120924002439/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/mimforstreets.htm
+3 / -1 Progression :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20121104151945/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/plus3minus1progression.htm
Underdog Sleeper System :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20121104162243/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/underdogsleepers.htm
Possible Holy Grail idea :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20121031122207/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/possibleholygrail.htm
Raindrops Method and comments :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120813230436/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/raindropscomments.htm
Supporting Bets and comments :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120409022530/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/supportingbets.htm
Predicting a trend / win :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120915130433/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/trendwinprediction.htm
Turbo's 35 unit method :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120915134635/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/turbos35unitmethod.htm
Turbo's Equalizer method :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120813225008/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/turbosequalizer.htm
Another repeater method :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20140410082741/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/anotherrepeatermethod.htm
Another great progression :
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20130810135708/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/agreatprogression.htm
I have yet to see Turbo come out and retract any of these systems. Solid.
Cheers! :thumbsup:
If these systems don't change the odds or payouts, then how are they different from random bets of varying size?
Repeaters don't change odds. Ive tested probably trillions of rng spins with automated software. Repeaters are normal statistical probability.
Turbo what's the next step?
Denzie
It is really not a new system how Turbo plays. Out there were a few similar systems and all failed soon or later. So testing a systems on a few hundreds or even thousands spins proves nothing. And even worse is to test them on past spins. Many systems worked nice on history spins, BUT when player go in casino and start to play in live, then all changes and reality can be painful.
Why do you think that experienced players, like are Steve, Caleb, Mr.J,... all not believe in systems and progressions? Because all such a systems with progressions fail soon or later.
I exactly know how TG plays, got a same graph, made a tests of several thousand spins, played in online casinos for free and system worked so-so. BUT when tried it playing on airball machines, then a system failed, and I did not use any wild progression at all, but TG uses so damn dangerous progression that would kill every player because no one has unlimited bankroll. BUT TG claims that he never cannot lose with it. If you want to talk more, then you can write me: jefra02e@gmail.com. Do not try to email TG because he is ignoring them, I tried 5x and now I give up.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 27, 08:12 PM 2017
You have the hg denzie?
One system is no better than another because it's all random accuracy betting. Same odds, same payouts, same thing.
I want to be proven wrong.
Oh hell no. I don't have the hg. But it does wins a lot more than it loses. :)
So far.......
@jefra...
I've been playing airball a lot. And for me it gives the same results as live dealer or rng. The same "events" happen at the same time. No difference there at all.
Well that's my opinion of course.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 28, 03:58 AM 2017
@jefra...
I've been playing airball a lot. And for me it gives the same results as live dealer or rng. The same "events" happen at the same time. No difference there at all.
Well that's my opinion of course. Thumbs up
yes, they work similar, until they don't ;)
Quote from: jefra on Jan 28, 12:57 AM 2017
Why do you think that experienced players, like are Steve, Caleb, Mr.J,... all not believe in systems and progressions?
Ive never seen anything to suggest ken is an expert at anything other than blaming others for his life, backstabbing, trolling, petty behavior, blatant malicious lies, digging a deeper grave, and making a dickhead of himself. Im far from convinced his secret "method" is anything but talk. His experience with roulette is how to lose. Not how to win. His purpose on forums is to troll to make hinself feel superior and better about himself. If you dont see him for what he is, look closer. Maybe one day Ill show some conversations, if he wants. He seems to.
Denzie, many systems can survive 10,000+ spins. But having a system that aims to win just in your lifetime is fallacy. When the odds dont change, all you are left with is the equivalent of lots of different people all making random bets of difference size. If that beat roulette, the game wouldnt be in casinos. Nevertheless if it works for tou, keep doing it. But dont be surprised if a bad night wipes out all wins and more. You might be one of the lucky ones who stops before the losing run. For some, that run is on day 1.
There is absolutely no way around it. To beat roulette without relying on plain luck, you must increase accuracy of predictions. This is really basic stuff. Anyone interested in serious play needs to understand why. In the professional gaming community, this basic knowledge isnt even a question. Its just known fact, like the water being wet. On most forums, understanding of the fundamentals is rare.
Quoteexperienced players, like are Steve, Caleb, Mr.J
, :twisted: says who...
once old friend told me >gambling is like a tatto once you get it you cannot get it out but you have to live with it but good thing about it is that tatto is personal means something for you so is way of play,you might not like mine or vice versa but i could not care less...so dont trash Turbo let him explain if he wants if not fair enough...
Maestro, I have nothing against Turbo, just opposite, I think he is good guy, but only one thing piss me off and it is that he insists that a system CANNOT lose!! Every system can lose and will lose IF player does not have unlimited bankroll ;-)
Steve, I cannot comment about Ken, but from what I read I think that he plays still much smarter as many other players. He plays very few numbers and he is against all sort of progressions, so this is a good approach for system players ;-)
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 06:28 AM 2017
Ive never seen anything to suggest ken is an expert at anything other than blaming others for his life, backstabbing, trolling, petty behavior, blatant malicious lies, digging a deeper grave, and making a dickhead of himself. Im far from convinced his secret "method" is anything but talk. His experience with roulette is how to lose. Not how to win. His purpose on forums is to troll to make hinself feel superior and better about himself. If you dont see him for what he is, look closer. Maybe one day Ill show some conversations, if he wants. He seems to.
Agreed 100% :thumbsup:
Betting more or fewer numbers doesnt make a difference in the long term. Generally results are more predictable if you bet more numbers (in the short term).
There's a lot of talk about overcoming variance. But it still doesnt change anything. Variance is not being understood.
Basically the difference is a slow predictable drain with lots of bets and smaller profits on wins, OR a slow predictable drain with fewer bets but with rare big lucky wins. In the long term there's no difference at all. People are missing what's actually required to beat the game, and why.
I have no idea about Turbo except that I dont find his claims believable, and some of his statements are incorrect. BUT I have an open mind as always, and am listening. I believe he has good intentions, but I think ultimate he has made a mistake. If I'm wrong, I will have no problem admitting I was mistaken. I take pride in being able to swallow my pride and admit when I've made a mistake. But in this case its not at all about pride. If I'm wrong, I get to learn something perhaps I could use. If I'm right, then nothing changes for me.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 06:28 AM 2017
Denzie, many systems can survive 10,000+ spins. Nevertheless if it works for tou, keep doing it. But dont be surprised if a bad night wipes out all wins and more. You might be one of the lucky ones who stops before the losing run. For some, that run is on day 1.
Steve I'm more than aware of that. Even 10000 is nothing. Been seeing 100000+ till it goes down .
Of course I'm gonna keep going as long it keeps winning. Would be stupid not to. And I know those horrible sessions are out there. You might get a few of those in a row. But I recover those sessions in 1 or max 2 sessions. And that's not to bad. Time will tell.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 07:42 AM 2017People are missing what's actually required to beat the game, and why.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 27, 11:30 PM 2017Repeaters don't change odds. Ive tested probably trillions of rng spins with automated software. Repeaters are normal statistical probability.
Repeaters actually do change the odds - as I said on the other forum (not sure if I can repeat that here with copy/paste) the charts show how you have a 1:38 chance of winning on any individual spin because there are 38 possible winning numbers (numbers that could win if bet on) and the payout is 35:1
When you play repeaters (the third show of any number for example) you no longer have 38 possible winning numbers - you have a small hand full of numbers that are the only ones that can win.
Since we know (as you've said) that repeaters will happen - we already know what numbers to play.
Perhaps that's one simple thing that people are missing ?
I kept saying - 38 numbers won't show in 38 spins, a single number won't repeat 38 times.
Therefore we no longer have 38 possible winning numbers to choose from. We end up with less possible winning numbers vs the house payout and gain the advantage.
I charted this in detail to show the reader how the math of the game changes.
"IF" there was a reliable chance that 38 numbers would show in 38 spins - this game would be impossible to beat, but that doesn't happen. This is random. Even random follows rules. Random is predictable.
That predictable outcome puts the game in the player's favor and not the house.
(If it were not random it would be impossible to win).
This is all what I've said over and over - perhaps it's not sinking in properly.
A aggressive progression is also key - Once the player has the game in their favor, it only makes sense to use a aggressive progression to increase bankroll and make up for those times when random throws that unfavorable cycle of spins at you.
So - you can't win unless you can predict outcomes better than 1:38 ? You can. You can predict outcomes at such a rate that you can't lose. (yes, I said that.)
QuoteI kept saying - 38 numbers won't show in 38 spins, a single number won't repeat 38 times.
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That's heavy...... :thumbsup:
Let's say we have:
7 numbers = 1 appearance
30 number = 0 appearance
I still think is equal probability for any to appear next. If we are betting for a repeat then the 7 numbers are already well on their way to completing that event. So we can predict repeaters based on what stage they are at in terms of appearances, but that doesn't mean we can profit. It just means we are confirming the obvious: if something is "1 up" then it's closer to "2 up" than those that are still at 0 appearances.
The only advantage of repeaters seems to be that we can reduce the wide swings of variance?
Ok so In 37 spin cycles we most likely will have a repeater or several repeaters hit a total of 3 or more times
That's not in any way an aggressive progression
You are only betting a few numbers
Progression would be mild at best?
Even if you lost a 37 spin cycle you will win the next one
But the was I see numbers come in, every cycle has a threepeater at least
Turbo youre quite incorrect. Theres no law that ensures there won't be 38 numbers in 38 spins. The law of a third is basic probability in that most of the time there will be repeats. But this doesn't help because you never know which will repeat. Your bet selection still has random odds.
The proof is test trillions of spins and you'll find 38 numbers in 38 spins does happen. And it's exactly as rare as any other combination of numbers in 38 spins. Thats including 0 spinning 38 times consecutively. Theres no point to argue it. My free software can do the testing and anyone can test.
38 numbers in 38 spins never happen...do zelions of test it will not get it..unless is rigged one
Quote"IF" there was a reliable chance that 38 numbers would show in 38 spins - this game would be impossible to beat, but that doesn't happen
...i think this is wrong if roulette produce 38 uniques every 38 spin cycle then would be nice as you will know for sure that whatever hit s say in first dozen it will not hit again say..
I agree with you that it could happen 38 in 38 spins, but probability not high. lets be honest anything could happen in 38 spins. What if you are playing sections of numbers same applies? bit higher probability? .... yes of course. what if the average is enough to overcome all sections hitting one after another? what if 3 wins of high probability overcomes the loss of one low progression and with either win or lose the next round begins in a few spins using new data. the odds of win are reset and in the event of a loss from previous result, the continuation of a loss event is stoped in it's tracts and the cycle begins again.
Quote from: maestro on Jan 28, 10:36 AM 2017
...i think this is wrong if roulette produce 38 uniques every 38 spin cycle then would be nice as you will know for sure that whatever hit s say in first dozen it will not hit again say..
If the pay out stayed the same...yep
But they would change the pay out every spin.....then big nope
to argue about 38 unique or 38 0's or whatever isn't really adding anything to the conversation
can it happen...sure...anything can happen at any given spin...thought everyone was in agreement on that already
it is however statistically insignificant to even really approach that type of scenario and a stoploss kills the bleeding and a little trend analysis makes a ton of loot if by chance you see the once in a kajillion spins session happening and identify it quick enough to profit or stop the losses accordingly
with decent bet selection (doesn't have to be stellar) and solid play (stop losses, negative and positive progressions) money is made at roulette
too many people fail due to emotions and human nature by either being hurried, greed or not having the guts to make the bets that their research and experience say need to be made
bankroll is the thing most people neglect to talk about enough...you need to have enough in your pocket and at home to play with confidence and stay in the game when you have a working strategy....you have to have the whole game to win... think of the casino side and why they usually win
casino has payout edge...seemingly inexhaustible bankroll and table limits...their discipline is set within the rules...their greed is regulated by the rules (they can't make you make smaller or larger bets except what they dictate as mins and max within their own rules)...the wheel will keep spinning all day and all night (no hurry)
player has control of when, where and how much to bet within the scope of their own bankroll and table limits
add discipline to alot of experience and well thought out play...take away greed and haste...add a substantial player bankroll...this player has the real advantage regardless of the 5.26%...take away any of the players tools and the 5.26 might as well be 100
get a substantial bankroll that you aren't afraid to risk
really research what generally happens across a spectrum of plays that all have recoverability
put safeguards in to protect against a series of uncharacteristic circumstances
play within your bankroll enough to be okay with winning small to avoid losing big
always be in position to recognize and capitalize on semi-predictable waves of occurrences with a multitude of off-setting and complementary simultaneous running bets with the aforementioned good recoverability
win a bunch of small battles to win each daily war
regardless of how little or much time that takes
that's my two cents
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 28, 12:17 PM 2017that's my two cents
Didn't waste my time reading the reply, all good words :thumbsup:
Discipline won't get you anywhere unless you have a real strategy behind it - it will simply delay the inevitable at the rate of chips you are risking for whatever return. Everything will break even or lose the house advantage unless using specific concepts designed to work around variance. Short term is best to cover most of the board, but you might get killed off instantly. Long term is best to bet small, and you might win big at the start. Either way you are heading towards the house advantage the longer you play. So discipline cannot help long term. I think a lot of people don't realise this because they don't practise using simulators.
In cycles we will have numbers that hit three times correct?
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 28, 12:32 PM 2017
Didn't waste my time reading the reply, all good words :thumbsup:
Yup :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 28, 02:46 PM 2017
In cycles we will have numbers that hit three times correct?
Yes...most cycles.
Ok then that is the HG
When a number hits twice that's your trigger
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 28, 03:49 PM 2017
Ok then that is the HG
When a number hits twice that's your trigger
If only it was that easy :o
The point is still being missed. 38 numbers in 38 spins is as rare as any other combination. Thinking you can bet based on incredibly rare events is fallacy.
eveyone gets your point steve
i think we are passed that
in our life times we wont see 38 numbers in 38 spins it is not practical
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 10:10 AM 2017But this doesn't help because you never know which will repeat. Your bet selection still has random odds.
I don't need to know what specific number is going to hit or when.
I only need to choose my numbers and win at a better rate than 1:38 (or X:38 based on how many numbers I'm playing at the time).
We agreed that you can't win unless you can do better than 1:38 and using repeaters which WILL happen - So we don't have 38 possibilities to bet on - the longer we play, the shorter the list of possible winners become... and I don't need to know exactly which one and when do I ? No.....
I only need to know (common sense thread at the other forum) what numbers to play and what numbers not to play. If a number hasn't shown yet - it's very quite possibly a long term sleeper. If a number has appeared (not past spins - since I started my play) then it's obviously a potential repeater.
A number can't show 2 times unless it's shown once, it can't show 3 times unless it's shown 2 times...........
You'll get it - it will click and you'll say "That F'in Turbo was right".
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 28, 12:17 PM 2017it is however statistically insignificant to even really approach that type of scenario and a stoploss kills the bleeding and a little trend analysis makes a ton of loot if by chance you see the once in a kajillion spins session happening and identify it quick enough to profit or stop the losses accordingly
My point is the opposite - which is what you agree with.
By playing repeaters, I am putting my money of the fact that repeaters WILL happen (not betting when I think that rare event is going to happen where all numbers show in one cycle - because we all know (don't we ?) that isn't going to happen in any of our lifetimes)
Once you know what NOT to bet on - you can clearly see what to bet on.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 04:06 PM 2017The point is still being missed. 38 numbers in 38 spins is as rare as any other combination. Thinking you can bet based on incredibly rare events is fallacy.
I'm betting against that incredibly rare event ever happening - and I will always win, because that event will never happen thanks to random.
100% with you
betting against 38 uniques happening in 38 spins would equate to never losing and when you do lose you will have massive porfits
After running only billions of spins......
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Lmao. On a roll lately
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 04:06 PM 201738 numbers in 38 spins is as rare as any other combination.
Steve - I think you are a little bit stuck there. You are right about the fact there. But Turbo is also talking about simple math probability. For once I agree with turbo that winning this game is in the repeaters. You don't have to know exactly where it happens, you only need to know almost where it happens to win. His statement about a number has to appear once before it can appear twice and it has to appear twice before it can appear thrice says it all. Sounds simple as it may be, it's the core of proabability and accuracy of prediction that you keep talking about.
Turbo is not looking for patterns that are static. Even when the event happens where 38 numbers appear in 38 spins, turbo will be losing only a cycle. For him to lose, that 38 numbers appearing in 38 spins needs to happen multiple times in the same order it appeared the first time. And in the funny world of mathermatics there is a probability of that happening too
even this event happen..turbo still hits simply because with 38 numbers you got 19 pairs so before 38 hits uniques happen will be full pair to hit else would be repeater
It's so simple what turbo is saying
Really
This is not rocket science
Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 28, 09:13 PM 2017Turbo is not looking for patterns that are static. Even when the event happens where 38 numbers appear in 38 spins, turbo will be losing only a cycle. For him to lose, that 38 numbers appearing in 38 spins needs to happen multiple times in the same order it appeared the first time.
I can't believe I'm saying this but...... thanks and you're right.
Quote from: maestro on Jan 28, 09:24 PM 2017even this event happen..turbo still hits simply because with 38 numbers you got 19 pairs so before 38 hits uniques happen will be full pair to hit else would be repeater
It's even better than that - I can't lose because I'm not betting on numbers that aren't appearing.
If 38 numbers could possible show in 38 spins - I still won't have lost a single bet. I won't have even bet.
There is only one way to win at roulette - you play numbers that are appearing and don't play numbers that aren't. (see Common Sense thread). You simply can't lose on a number(s) that don't show up. You win multiple times on numbers that repeat.
Nope, not rocket science at all.
When you work it out - you'll get consistent charts like posted below in my signature. You'll actually do better because the ability to use a much more aggressive progression will simply skyrocket the chart and make mine look a bit silly.
Brilliant. Effing brilliant
If 38 uniques show in 38 spins there wouldn't even be a bet placed
Good lord
Bravo
Top math cats won't admit it but this is amazing. Know this
I perfectly understand what is being said. The problem is its incorrect. The proof is in basic testing.
Steve explain what is not correct
Try not to use the 38 in 38 argument cause it's never gonna happen
Turbo and co, what you're not understanding is there is no sequence or short term bias like you specified. Its fallacy.
How can you be sure? Test billions or trillions of spins and see. If you don't know better, you might think such a large test is a joke. Is more data and being more sure a joke?
All that matters is the odds on the next spin. Repeaters don't change it.
Let's not argue. Let's do some proper testing, ok?
There's no fallacy here
The only fallacy is saying we don't know what the repeaters will be
Twos will become threes in cycles.
Rg, the odds of any sequence of 38 spins are the same. The wheel doesn't give a crap what spun before.
So when you base any system on a sequence of spins just because it makes sense in your own head doesn't change anything. Amy sequence happens just as often as another so the bet selection doesn't change anything.
Again, let's do some testing...
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jan 28, 02:39 PM 2017
Discipline won't get you anywhere unless you have a real strategy behind it - it will simply delay the inevitable at the rate of chips you are risking for whatever return. Everything will break even or lose the house advantage unless using specific concepts designed to work around variance. Short term is best to cover most of the board, but you might get killed off instantly. Long term is best to bet small, and you might win big at the start. Either way you are heading towards the house advantage the longer you play. So discipline cannot help long term. I think a lot of people don't realise this because they don't practise using simulators.
I assure you I have a real strategy and pretty disciplined...painfully so sometimes
The erosion of bankroll to the house edge is not inevitable at all and variance to a certain extent can be controlled...more so long term than short...but both have an element of control available
I have played live wheel tens of thousand of spins and they have all been written down and analyzed...live wheels...air ball...never rng The variance can be limited to a workable number
If you simply look at the basic concept of numbers that have hit vs numbers that have slept in any given sequence you can see the raw data
Just took the top sheet off my stack of spins
38 spins
1 - 5x
1- 4x
2 -3x
5 - repeats
13 - single hits
22 numbers hit
16 with nothing
next 6 spins
5 of the 6 hits came from numbers in the last 38 spins...and 22 is on the short side of the norm because of the 5 time and 4 time hitters...so there were plenty of numbers that had not hit in now 44 spins just sitting there waiting...while somebody plays those 16 sleepers they get one hit...the guy on the 22 that had hit...5 hits
next 6 spins (against the rolling 38 previous numbers)
4 hits on previously hit numbers...2 misses
next 6 spins
again 4 hits against 2 misses
Now if I play lets say 26 numbers (to get closer to the norm for examples sake) and get 4 hits and 2 misses every six spins without money management and stoplosses I am pretty close to the HE...but I killed it upfront in the first 38 spins (I probably picked a bad example...again a 5 and a 4 hitter are a little out of ordinary but wasn't gonna grab a second sheet for times sake)
But the player using sleepers or even a random sampling of numbers not taking into account what had already hit...that player is likely getting maybe a 50/50 ratio on this particular 26 number bet (I know each 26 number bet would have different results...just looking at one example with real spins I played)...I win 67%...there's an edge regardless of whoevers head is exploding with applying a belief that because 38 unique numbers can show...that they will show
Now I personally would never play a 20-28 number bet...because there isn't enough upside...negative progression could get me in trouble quickly with just a single dry spell and positive progression isn't really feasible because of too many numbers
But...if I can concentrate on a changing rotation of 20-28 numbers to select from out of the 38 available and look at hot wheel sectors and do a little (alot actually) of analysis of how to ride the waves of numbers as they appear and repeat and have enough bankroll to see things thru
My odds are better in the long run than anyone is going to give me credit for...
add negative and positive progressions into the mix and with stringent applications of stop losses (discipline) I come around to like the math
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 10:44 PM 2017
All that matters is the odds on the next spin.
Not gonna argue...but the next spin is only important to me in that it's part of a planned series of bets over a series of spins and because I am playing those spins as a group (I know it's a group of individual spins) and because I can apply stop losses and progressions I may not change the "odds" per se
But I can have a positive effect on my bankroll
rouletteKEY, the more numbers you cover the more risk for less reward - regardless of how many hits they've had in the past. Why not do a simulation over 10K spins or give me exact instructions on how you bet the numbers and I'll sim and post the results.
Turbo, does your principle apply to rng spins, and other games? Or just roulette?
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 10:44 PM 2017
Turbo and co, what you're not understanding is there is no sequence or short term bias like you specified. Its fallacy.
How can you be sure? Test billions or trillions of spins and see. If you don't know better, you might think such a large test is a joke. Is more data and being more sure a joke?
All that matters is the odds on the next spin. Repeaters don't change it.
Let's not argue. Let's do some proper testing, ok?
I would be really interested to know what would you accept as a good enough testing in this case?
1. For TG, Pri or anyone else who claims to have non physics HG to show you a graph where is their bet tested on 100 million or billion spins? Of course we know such graph can be manipulated without knowing what is actually done, right?
2. Or to give you publicly or in private full method in detailed steps so you can test it for yourself?
If you would vote for option 2 you might stumble onto doubt of actual chance of getting that option. I am sensing that option could be subject to some strict principles of discretion. That is only what it seems to me by following Pri-s and TG-s posts for some time. I cant think of any good reason for that personally as to be honest I dont see problem in sharing Holy just for the fact to convince otherwise one obstinate physics beatable roulette methods seller.
Cheers
Quote from: Drazen on Jan 29, 07:48 AM 2017
I would be really interested to know what would you accept as a good enough testing in this case?
1. For TG, Pri or anyone else who claims to have non physics HG to show you a graph where is their bet tested on 100 million or billion spins? Of course we know such graph can be manipulated without knowing what is actually done, right?
2. Or to give you publicly or in private full method in detailed steps so you can test it for yourself?
If you would vote for option 2 you might stumble onto doubt of actual chance of getting that option. I am sensing that option could be subject to some strict principles of discretion. That is only what it seems to me by following Pri-s and TG-s posts for some time. I cant think of any good reason for that personally as to be honest I dont see problem in sharing Holy just for the fact to convince otherwise one obstinate physics beatable roulette methods seller.
Cheers
TG is wise enough to keep it for himself. As he should. As we all should if we got it. We all know the casino's would make new rules to get the advantage back....as they did in the past already. It's just good common sense.
Yeah exactly Denzie now please share your HG :lol:
Quote from: denzie on Jan 29, 08:08 AM 2017
TG is wise enough to keep it for himself. As he should. As we all should if we got it. We all know the casino's would make new rules to get the advantage back....as they did in the past already. It's just good common sense.
Oh thank you for bringing a bit of common sense here Denzie. It seems I forgot about it for a bit :)
Let see what Steve says. I just hope he wont ask Pri any graphs of trillions of tested spins as she is well known for tampering with results :-\
Maybe we can soften TG to eventually reveal everything then :thumbsup:
All i need is one concept to test, and i already have that. And the statements around it are inaccurate. My explanations of why are not being understood.
Im just waiting for turbo to respond to my questions, then can propose testing. I think i already know the answers based on previous posts but i want to be sure.
don't we ever learn? TG says he uses a "heavy progression" ;D We all know how that will end ?? I should know... :xd:
Quotejust for the fact to convince otherwise one obstinate physics beatable roulette methods seller.
Here we go again. Im just trying to protect my system selling business and cant stand to see the hg exist, right?
Or how about turbo started this by posing questions for anyone to answer, and Im answering.
Im a player before seller of anything and if turbo has something better than what I have, then Id like to use it. I give my best methods free then players pay me part of winnings. Dont assume my focus is only what you see.
As for all this, it is perhaps an unpopular fact that so far Turbos statements are inaccurate. Ive explained why already, but its not being understood. So once turbo answers my wuestions, I can propose some testing to see if I actually know what Im talking about, or Turbo has something thats not clasdic fallacy.
Lets put aside the snide comments and let proper testing prevail, agreed?
Im interested in the truth, whatever it may be. I am not bound to what i think i know. I open to any change in my understanding. But when im told 1+1=400 im going to keep an open mind, but still carefully investigate the claim with a proper approach.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 10:26 AM 2017
Here we go again. Im just trying to protect my system selling business and cant stand to see the hg exist, right
Its not just about seeing a HG here. We have already seen it as far as I can judge. It is also about of having it at the same time :)
Because you can always claim that any test or proof here can not be valid unless you confirmed it too, right? So every scenario ends here. And of course, that makes perfect sense.
And am not sure why such method for wouldnt show in your catalog for example. It would be best seller comparing to any device one must hide or better to say not to alarm casino of its use.
Cheers
Here are some charts I made a few years ago when I was looking at a kind of similar approach.
What I wanted to find out was how many numbers performed under expectation, how many matched the expectation and how many came above expectation in cycles of 37 spins assuming you are a playing a single 0 wheel.
So as an example in the first chart. After the first cycle of 37 spins.....16 numbers performed below average. 12 numbers matched expectation and 9 numbers hit above expectation. Maybe it will give some more food for thought in this discussion.
Turbo's concept is not something new what has not been revealed in the past, are different variants, some better, some worse. BUT it is obvious that Turbo does something different. Maybe is a catch/benefit in small details.
Good work wiggy
Turbo please see my questions
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 29, 10:08 AM 2017
don't we ever learn? TG says he uses a "heavy progression" ;D We all know how that will end ?? I should know... :xd:
You really should know after all these years. Yet you still doing the same over and over and over and....... ::)
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 10:26 AM 2017
Lets put aside the snide comments and let proper testing prevail, agreed?
Steve - I have taken an attempt to code this simply in an excel. Be warned, this might not be the exact way Turbo might be playing, but I have not seen this method fail over multiple iterations in this excel sheet. For all you know my excel sheet formula might be wrong (well we have had this before number of times), but at least this is a direct answer to your question. Anyone can fill their own set of numbers or use F9 to generate different sets of random numbers every time.
Progression almost always wins in the short term.
And betting on rare events can appear to work in the short term too.
Here is the link to excel. I have tested 10 million spins and it seems to hold good. Hmm!! Warned about the excel formula though, it might have been tampered :o 8) ??? ::)
link:s://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8V2R2PUfxa7U1NNV05mMldKNGc/view?usp=sharing
Betting twos to become threes?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 05:41 PM 2017
Betting twos to become threes?
Kind of that with a difference. As this is a test, this test always plays one number.
Twos to become threes and 3s to become 4s so on until it becomes 10s. However this is played only if there is only one number dominating. If there are two numbers that are in 2s no bet is made until one of it becomes 3. Rest when any number reaches 10s or a new high in bank roll.
There is also a progression. Progressions is 2 units if you are playing for 2s to becomes 3s, 3 units if you are playing 3s to become 4s and so on.
Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 29, 05:47 PM 2017
Kind of that with a difference. As this is a test, this test always plays one number.
Twos to become threes and 3s to become 4s so on until it becomes 10s. However this is played only if there is only one number dominating. If there are two numbers that are in 2s no bet is made until one of it becomes 3. Rest when any number reaches 10s or a new high in bank roll.
There is also a progression. Progressions is 2 units if you are playing for 2s to becomes 3s, 3 units if you are playing 3s to become 4s and so on.
8) O0 :thumbsup: Who is your teacher's teacher @ Excel and Roulette?
I know it works because its logic
Pull any 37
There's always 3s and 4s
The randbetween function is notoriously inaccurate with excessive repeats, so shouldnt be used in tests. Many RNG have the same problem. Nevertheless I dont understand what the excel is doing. Please explain the exact logic?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 06:05 PM 2017
I know it works because its logic
Pull any 37
There's always 3s and 4s
RG....really? How many cycles you've tested? A 3s always? No. A 4s always? Hell no......
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 06:13 PM 2017
The randbetween function is notoriously inaccurate with excessive repeats, so shouldnt be used in tests. Many RNG have the same problem. Nevertheless I dont understand what the excel is doing. Please explain the exact logic?
Understand the limitations and you could use your own numbers.
The logic is explained fully in reply 124
Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 29, 05:33 PM 2017
Here is the link to excel. I have tested 10 million spins and it seems to hold good.
Only 10 million? Thats nothing. So doesn't count. We need a kazilliontrillionbillionsuper mega. .....illons ....
Joking . Good job :)
Question for TG.....
What are you trying to accomplish?
What if I or someone post how it should be done ? What if someone code it and prove this really works? What if people see and read it and use it ?
Now what if casino's adjust there wheel or rules based on this method?
You gave enough info imo. More than enough. To much actually.
The logic is wrong. Just because a number has repeated 1, 2, 3 or however many times, it is no more likely to repeat on the next spin, or the next 10 spins, 37 spins or whatever. This is an approach that has been tested extensively. To reveal it as fallacy I released free testing software to help people. Its at link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-pattern-detector/
Priyanka, if you are simulating this approach with excel and it is showing a profit over millions of spins, you would have an error in the calculations somewhere. Unfortunately Im not an expert at excel so I cant follow the coding.
so let me get this straight
if a profit shows then it "must be wrong"
that is steves stance
so that proves a winning method could never be proven to steve because he would not accept it
he wants it proven to him, and if so, it must be wrong
broken down: steve says if there is profits over millions of spins it is coded wrong: laymens terms: steve believes no such thing exists, so debating him on it is pointless at best
now everyone knows here each spin is independent and a repeater doesnt define the next spin and anything can happen
but the fact is 38 in 38 will never happen before our eyes
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 06:59 PM 2017
The logic is wrong. Just because a number has repeated 1, 2, 3 or however many times, it is no more likely to repeat on the next spin, or the next 10 spins, 37 spins or whatever. This is an approach that has been tested extensively. To reveal it as fallacy I released free testing software to help people. Its at link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-pattern-detector/
Priyanka, if you are simulating this approach with excel and it is showing a profit over millions of spins, you would have an error in the calculations somewhere. Unfortunately Im not an expert at excel so I cant follow the coding.
She described a few more additional rules. I'll test it out next week to see... It might be possible to reverse engineer the spread sheet too to confirm the rules are as described - certainly easier than the videos. We have to give her the benefit of the doubt now - until proven right, wrong or phony.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 07:16 PM 2017so let me get this straight
if a profit shows then it "must be wrong"
that is steves stance
so that proves a winning method could never be proven to steve because he would not accept it
he wants it proven to him, and if so, it must be wrong
broken down: steve says if there is profits over millions of spins it is coded wrong: laymens terms: steve believes no such thing exists, so debating him on it is pointless at best
If someone gives you a program and you cannot verify it is even coded correctly, and you don't even understand how the software is structured to test, how can you verify testing is done properly?
Can you imagine how flawed scientific processes would be if everyone just accepted unknown software as accurately coded?
RG you need to understand despite what you think, I am not partial to any "opinions" or concepts. I believe in reason and logic. My "opinions" are not "opinions" in this case. It is not about my favorite food or color. It is about mathematical equations. It is not my "opinion" that 1+1 = 2.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jan 29, 07:25 PM 2017but the fact is 38 in 38 will never happen before our eyes
You still are not understanding that any other sequence of 38 numbers is just as unlikely, and will happen as often over time. There is nothing that sets one sequence of spins apart from another when there is no connection.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 07:16 PM 2017
so let me get this straight
if a profit shows then it "must be wrong"
that is steves stance
so that proves a winning method could never be proven to steve because he would not accept it
he wants it proven to him, and if so, it must be wrong
broken down: steve says if there is profits over millions of spins it is coded wrong: laymens terms: steve believes no such thing exists, so debating him on it is pointless at best
From Steve:
QuoteIm interested in the truth, whatever it may be. I am not bound to what i think i know. I open to any change in my understanding. But when im told 1+1=400 im going to keep an open mind, but still carefully investigate the claim with a proper approach.
You'll notice that Steve wrote "truth" not "facts". Everyone can have their own truth, but facts exist independent of an individual's opinion.
Although, Steve also believes in precognition/remote viewing.........so perhaps he's making his own rules either way. :ooh:
My point was he wants proof then he won't entertain it
Saying it must be wrong suggests he thinks it could never be so
So it's a wasted debate
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 07:29 PM 2017My point was he wants proof then he won't entertain it
No, read what I wrote. I understand the logic he claimed to code, and explained why it is incorrect. What i'm saying is I cant determine if he coded correctly.
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 29, 07:28 PM 2017You'll notice that Steve wrote "truth" not "facts". Everyone can have their own truth, but facts exist independent of an individual's opinion.
The truth is made from facts. They are the same thing. There are no real grey areas in this universe. What we call grey is simply something not understood yet. To imply otherwise is saying things can happen without cause. When is the last thing you know that happened without any cause at all?
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 29, 07:28 PM 2017Although, Steve also believes in precognition/remote viewing.........so perhaps he's making his own rules either way.
Sure, precognition has a much better chance of being legit than 1+1 = 4324
Why the attacks on me? I'm simply trying to determine if TG has something legit or not. Why should my logical approach bother anyone?
RG, you are also forgetting my own software and testing confirms what many experts in mathematics and gaming have also found. And that is like I keep saying:
1. Previous spins have no connection to future spins. That means you can have as many repeaters as you want, but the odds of any number spinning next don't change.
2. Saying there will never be 38 numbers in 38 spins is nonsense. It is no different to any other sequence of 38 spins.
What Priyanka has given is an excel chart and I dont know what it is. I only know what he claims it is. If I understood the coding i would check it for errors. Instead, what I do is use my own software and it contradictions what Priyanka and Turbo say, although my software corroborates what professionals in gaming and mathematics found. So without even checking the code, being logical, who's software is probably right?
QuoteSure, precognition has a much better chance of being legit than 1+1 = 4324
Now you're just throwing your gun...........come on Steve.
I seem to remember that you were going to publish your proof of these claims...............still waiting. :ooh:
Although, I'm also still waiting to see just 1 single member who has used any of your products successfully and posted a report about their winnings. :sad2:
Nothing personally against you Steve; you've always seemed like a fair guy. But you can't ask for proof of a method, while making outrages claims beyond the realm of current scientific knowledge. If that were the case, then Turbo could just say that the math it simply too complicated for you to understand, and you'd be stuck. :thumbsup:
I wasn't trying to attack Steve
I just try to have a direct and no sugar coating line of communication
Steve believes roulette cannot be beaten without increasing accuracy of prediction
Now, I believed betting a number that has repeated is increasing accuracy of prediction.
QuoteSteve believes roulette cannot be beaten without increasing accuracy of prediction
Now, I believed betting a number that has repeated is increasing accuracy of prediction.
So which of you is telling the truth? :question:
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 29, 07:53 PM 2017Now you're just throwing your gun...........come on Steve.
Throwing my gun? Well I guess it is a fact that numbers that repeat have a better chance of spinning next. Go win your millions.
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 29, 07:53 PM 2017Although, I'm also still waiting to see just 1 single member who has used any of your products successfully and posted a report about their winnings.
Firstly all players submit an NDA, so the vast majority say nothing. But actually there have been a few over the years. Like Clothdog who initially attacked me but later admitted he had done well with the system when applied it correctly. There's also the lab test report. There are others but you know, anyone can test something like my computers free and see for themselves. So why bother arguing? Besides, I teach advantage play. Anyone with a brain and experience with AP in roulette knows it works in the right conditions. AP is what the casinos are scared of. Are you really going to tell me repeaters worries casinos?
Quote from: thelaw on Jan 29, 07:53 PM 2017Nothing personally against you Steve; you've always seemed like a fair guy. But you can't ask for proof of a method, while making outrages claims beyond the realm of current scientific knowledge.
Actually there's enough about precog to indicate it may very well be legitimate. Start with the global consciousness project at Princeton: link:://noosphere.princeton.edu - nothing personal, but if you don't know the facts about something, you will easily dismiss it as nonsense from your opinion.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 29, 07:59 PM 2017Steve believes roulette cannot be beaten without increasing accuracy of prediction
Now, I believed betting a number that has repeated is increasing accuracy of prediction.
But it doesn't. that's my point. Use my free software. And if you arent sure about it being coded correctly, do a smaller test to see how it functions.
Here's a breakdown of the spreadsheet...
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Haven't seen anything suspicious yet. All seems to tally up with the written rules.
Thanks it helps a little. I'm still looking into it myself.
There are a few things that might hold clues EG:
1. When there are no spins at all, the bankroll is like this:
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First off, Steve, my hats off to you. You have mastered the invisible compromise with regards to your Roulette products.
QuoteFirstly all players submit an NDA, so the vast majority say nothing. But actually there have been a few over the years. Like Clothdog who initially attacked me but later admitted he had done well with the system when applied it correctly. There's also the lab test report. There are others but you know, anyone can test something like my computers free and see for themselves. So why bother arguing? Besides, I teach advantage play. Anyone with a brain and experience with AP in roulette knows it works in the right conditions. AP is what the casinos are scared of. Are you really going to tell me repeaters worries casinos?
You just proceeded to answer my question like a great politician........bit of info
(Clothdog, who oddly kept searching for a winning method on the forums through 2012 after his "apology letter" to you 2009 where he admitted that your method actually worked. You would think that finding a winning system would be enough...... :question:). Then a misdirect
(Lab Report?.........by what independent agency?). And then an old-fashioned challenge
(why not try it for yourself?.........if only I had the 8hrs per day for a week to run the software)QuoteActually there's enough about precog to indicate it may very well be legitimate. Start with the global consciousness project at Princeton: link:://noosphere.princeton.edu - nothing personal, but if you don't know the facts about something, you will easily dismiss it as nonsense from your opinion.
From Roger Nelson himself who runs the project:
According to The Age, Nelson concedes "the data, so far, is not solid enough for global consciousness to be said to exist at all. It is not possible, for example, to look at the data and predict with any accuracy what (if anything) the eggs may be responding to."[19]
Robert Matthews said that while it was "the most sophisticated attempt yet" to prove psychokinesis existed, the unreliability of significant events to cause statistically significant spikes meant that "the only conclusion to emerge from the Global Consciousness Project so far is that data without a theory is as meaningless as words without a narrative".It's great that you believe in it..........if only the creators of the project had as much faith in the program.Cheers! :thumbsup:
Repeaters, repeaters and more repeaters. ...it's all I read here. But nothing that shows how to play them. And there's where yall drop the ball.
Ok back to dozens ? Or 9 streets ? Or 5 guaranteed wins ? Or ... things I've posted ?
Steve...I'm really sure you don't know how to play them. Really. You know a lot about roulette for sure...but sure not everything.
Stop pushing him coz he's not gonna tell ya. And if he does he's an dumb mofo.
@Denzie
Here are a couple that Turbo posted on his site that involve repeaters:
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20140410082741/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/anotherrepeatermethod.htm
link:s://web.archive.org/web/20120915134635/link:://:.freewebs.com/turbogenius/turbos35unitmethod.htm
Cheers! :thumbsup:
Its simple. Not a big conspiracy. Clothdog didnt like the effort needed for AP and wanted something quicker and easier. The lab test is for government agencies and was provided to the ACCC at one point to validate my claims - not that it was even needed. The point of the lab test was to have an independent and qualified professional do testing - to the point where it would satisfy the ACCC. Because I trade as a corporation, I'm subject to strict honesty in advertising. Thats why scammers are usually sole traders not a corporation.
Law,.. my free trials, my public demos, does it all work or not..... I dont intend to argue about it here. It's not the place. But you brought it up. I'll finish with the fact I offer free trials of all my systems and computers. If you don't have the time to test them, you'll never know. The offering of free trials is not some big conspiracy too. Now can we get back to the topic?
Regarding precog, continue your research. They do believe in the effect. They have stated while the affect appears to be only slight, it is significant. How significant for one event? Only barely. But how about the total database?
QuoteYet the odds against chance of this meanshift over a database this size are about a hundred billion to one.
Then continue to studies on psiological responses to humans just before images are displayed. The responses are different just before an emotional image is displayed. There's more, including my own personal research, and testing of the majority vote method. But can we stick to the topic now?
@Steve
Just went to look up what agency the ACCC is exactly, and this was one of the first hits:
WTF? :ooh:
@Steve
Disregard the question...........I've seen enough.
There might be some honey-dicking going on here...........but hell if I know.
There's more drama around this than a Mexican Telenovela!!! :sad2: :sad2: :sad2:
I'll let you guys get back to it........
Thelaw, you referred to a site full of blatant deception. Thats not what comes up with a ACCC search. You know about it. Everyone has seen that site. You only referred to it trying to piss me off. Why? Because you have nothing left to say. Rather than engage in a civil discussion with logic, you throw mud. You aren't the first person to do that. The rubbish you referred to is refuted in detail at :.genuinewinnerroulettesystem.com
There was rational discussion until you trolled here throwing mud. If you have something valuable to contribute, do so. But you are on moderation because childish mudslinging is not tolerated.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 29, 08:45 PM 2017Steve...I'm really sure you don't know how to play them. Really. You know a lot about roulette for sure...but sure not everything.
Its not a complicated concept. Turbo is talking about 38 spin cycles. So the question is if there is a repeater within 38 spins, is that number more likely to spin in the cycle more often than another? The answer is NO. It's not just me who has tested it to no end.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 09:53 PM 2017So the question is if there is a repeater within 38 spins, is that number more likely to spin in the cycle more often than another?
Steve unfortunately thats not the question. See below from Turbo.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 06, 08:00 PM 2017
Absolutely not.
A number appearing doesn't mean that the time that it takes to appear again will be anything other than what it would normally be. It could be the next spin - or hundreds of spins. So no assumptions here, and that has nothing to do with where I'm going with this.
The concept is a bit more than such a straightforward interpretation. To be able to understand you must try removing the cap on next spin odds are 1/37 or 1/38 and it never changes. If you are not able to, you will never be able to understand this. Try this one for a change, think about the odds of a spin repeating itself. When there is one spin only available, the odds of that spin repeating itself is 1/37. When there are two spins already available the odds of a repeat happening in 3rd spin is 2/37. So as you see, the odds of a spin repeating increases gradually till it becomes 1 when all the spins have spun. So if you consider this as a one set, even though the odds of next spin always remains 1/37, the odds of a repeat happening in next spin, constantly changes and in an increasing curve. I am sure the odds changing in this fashion is a fact.
Now try moving on to the next step. Take the numbers that repeat in the above sequence and create another sequence. Does odds or predictability change? Thats a question I would love you to find the answers yourselves, if you are really interested in understanding what is happening.
Well then this is proving a waste of time.
There were specific examples like there never being 38 numbers in 38 spins. I refuted this. But now are vague tg explanations that are impossible to test, because they are too vague.
But i will say i have software that tests the frequency of sequences after specific sequences and the result is as i suspected... past spins don't affect future spins with exceptions i knew about. It is old news and well tested.
I don't find tg's claims credible. I hoped i would find some truth in it all, otherwise i wouldn't have invested time. But its just going in circles. Everything being said is the same ballpark as law of the third and it doesn't work. I am still open to someone proving me wrong.
QuoteWhen there is one spin only available, the odds of that spin repeating itself is 1/37. When there are two spins already available the odds of a repeat happening in 3rd spin is 2/37. So as you see, the odds of a spin repeating increases gradually till it becomes 1 when all the spins have spun. So if you consider this as a one set, even though the odds of next spin always remains 1/37, the odds of a repeat happening in next spin, constantly changes and in an increasing curve. I am sure the odds changing in this fashion is a fact.
Now try moving on to the next step. Take the numbers that repeat in the above sequence and create another sequence. Does odds or predictability change? Thats a question I would love you to find the answers yourselves, if you are really interested in understanding what is happening.
This is something I would love to test, but it's really vague...
"When there is one spin only available, the odds of that spin repeating itself is 1/37."
Understood.
"When there are two spins already available the odds of a repeat happening in 3rd spin is 2/37."
!? "two spins available"? What does that mean? Does it mean:
Spin 1: 29; Spin 2: 15... now more chance for 29 or 15 to repeat next spin?
Or does it mean:
Spin 1: 29... now more chance for 29 to repeat 2 spins later?
"So as you see, the odds of a spin repeating increases gradually till it becomes 1 when all the spins have spun."
Depends on understanding the previous sentence.
" So if you consider this as a one set, even though the odds of next spin always remains 1/37, the odds of a repeat happening in next spin, constantly changes and in an increasing curve. I am sure the odds changing in this fashion is a fact."
Next spin or next 2 spins? I think maybe a typo or something.
"Now try moving on to the next step. Take the numbers that repeat in the above sequence and create another sequence."
Ala "positions" = outside the box?
Chances of a reply from Priyanka to the above questions: 3/37!
Is the math written in stone? or is the math like a good politician, it will manipulate the answer.
If written in stone, the math wont lie, but does the roulette know it is supposed to play as the math states?
Answer, roulette does what it wants, not to the set rules.
Spin 1 #29, spin 2 #29, does the math say its going to show again? it has the same chance, as to show, or as, not to show.
Thats how a novice see's it.
Wow - I wish that I had time to reply to this, but it will have to wait until later.
Didn't post this Friday as seems nobody gets ROTT, both games total 168 units. #7 did come again 32 spins
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Set in stone,WTF?
The idea is that in MOST cycles a repeater will hit 3 or more times
So in MOST cycles we can profit by betting a low amount of numbers, by only betting the repeaters
Don't worry turbo those who get it, get it
There's spins and then there's spins, you just have to read them, make the decision :twisted:
This is a bit naughty of me, but go to the leaderboard, keep an eye on 2bobbet, talked of a Turbo method, looks impressive.
Guys, some spins for testings:
jan_17_2017- t3n_ 237no.
33 29 10 33 15 29 7
19 0 34 27 29 4 16
9 33 2 28 17 26 34
22 27 32 28 9 31 16
10 7 4 23 25 31 36
17 11 29 1 34 19 26
22 1 13 9 33 2 36
36 18 30 5 32 4 29
12 20 31 35 15 10 36
23 18 15 32 12 5 7
4 26 23 19 35 19 18
33 12 14 32 6 7 9
27 18 1 24 15 10 14
7 27 36 8 25 7 12
30 9 30 5 10 34 11
8 28 3 23 10 8
32 4 32 30 16 12
28 21 8 18 14 34
24 34 36 35 17 12
22 30 1 34 27 30
11 0 22 3 8 33
9 17 9 9 9 30
15 3 1 6 18 20
15 10 21 16 21 15
15 14 13 0 36 28
32 29 16 2 34 35
25 10 27 6 12 4
31 35 13 18 4 35
24 6 14 31 7 31
31 23 13 6 7 16
5 13 2 27 20 34
28 24 6 2 1 4
6 36 12 7 11 16
26 6 6 4 10 32
31 34 14 8 7 35
14 14 20 22 0 7
13 24 20 4 8 25
spin 7, #22, +15
Vaddi or interblock
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Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 30, 07:32 AM 2017
The idea is that in MOST cycles a repeater will hit 3 or more times
So in MOST cycles we can profit by betting a low amount of numbers, by only betting the repeaters
Don't worry turbo those who get it, get it
Do you get it RG? Do you know what and when to bet to come out winning?
For example in reply #95 it's clearly he DOESN'T bet the 1s. But on GF in the TG and TM walk in a bar....he clearly DOES bet on the 1s . :P
Mortagons #'s :thumbsup:
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Just played these on MPR, player on there by the name of Sparkle, let you work it out #7 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Quote from: denzie on Jan 30, 08:37 AM 2017
Do you get it RG? Do you know what and when to bet to come out winning?
For example in reply #95 it's clearly he DOESN'T bet the 1s. But on GF in the TG and TM walk in a bar....he clearly DOES bet on the 1s . :P
No I don't know how you or TG play it exactly but I'm not going to beg to be told either lol
I get the basics
Try and capitalize on numbers that hit 3 or more times in cycles
How would I play it? When a number repeats begin betting it.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 30, 09:19 AM 2017
I get the basics
How would I play it? When a number repeats begin betting it.
Repeat or shows ?
:thumbsup:
The 1st game is seen in reply 168, didn't mark the win 15'735.
But as you see start 2nd game with that amount. Nothing unusual in the 60 spins.
Got the 15 non-hit in spins 11-40,end +0. So at 60 we could see 30 have shown. That means 6 could show, break the 20 spins into groups of 5 and mark X where could see them.
If the 25th did not hit on spin 43, would have bet for it, as over due, then we see 2 more show,Fast, so it's just watch, again if #17 had not shown would have started to bet for the 28th to show, nothing lost.
Now watch, 4 spins so 29th is late, its known max on airball is 16 and on RNG 23 spins, so you just watch and at 60th theres only 28 shown.
Now bet, start to mark on the new 60 spins, why, because what are the non-hit in this new 60 spin going to do,White belt hope your taking this in :lol:, 13 spins at 20 units per non-hit win, took 20 spins.
Whilst marking and checking to see how big max for the 30th to show could be, #6 shows. Well, thinking of RG's 15 number idea, you can see it's 14 non-hit on the bounce so its screaming out bet for a repeat, win now we have 16'050 units.
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ROTT :thumbsup:
1st looked at roulette forums back in 20-6-13.
Learn't from Winkel, so thanks.
Now i don't think i'm going to learn anything more, from forums.
Goodbye to a few good members definetly not the wanker goldrosen
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 30, 09:19 AM 2017
I get the basics
Try and capitalize on numbers that hit 3 or more times in cycles
How would I play it? When a number repeats begin betting it.
link:://ruletka-sistemi.com/graal.htm
Translate
RG
It basically says jot down the numbers as they come and once you have 18 unique...play them as almost an EC
Once ahead...quit
you wait till 18 unique numbers came in(not in a row). then bet those 18 numbers. it says it should win more then lose. they made a mistake with number 35.
R
roulette key is faster lol :thumbsup:
Lol cool
Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 30, 01:42 AM 2017
Steve unfortunately thats not the question. See below from Turbo.
The concept is a bit more than such a straightforward interpretation. To be able to understand you must try removing the cap on next spin odds are 1/37 or 1/38 and it never changes. If you are not able to, you will never be able to understand this. Try this one for a change, think about the odds of a spin repeating itself. When there is one spin only available, the odds of that spin repeating itself is 1/37. When there are two spins already available the odds of a repeat happening in 3rd spin is 2/37. So as you see, the odds of a spin repeating increases gradually till it becomes 1 when all the spins have spun. So if you consider this as a one set, even though the odds of next spin always remains 1/37, the odds of a repeat happening in next spin, constantly changes and in an increasing curve. I am sure the odds changing in this fashion is a fact.
Now try moving on to the next step. Take the numbers that repeat in the above sequence and create another sequence. Does odds or predictability change? Thats a question I would love you to find the answers yourselves, if you are really interested in understanding what is happening.
No reply from Priyanka yet, but from what I can gather about this sentence:
"When there is one spin only available, the odds of that spin repeating itself is 1/37. When there are two spins already available the odds of a repeat happening in 3rd spin is 2/37."
One spin available must mean 1 number shown, i.e. 24... 1/37 chance for 24 to repeat next spin.
Two spins available = 24, 35... 2/37 chance for 24 or 35 to repeat next spin.
37 unique numbers shown = 100% chance of a repeat.
The problem is that to bet 1 number @ 1/37 = 1 unit cost; to bet 2 numbers @ 2/37 = 2 units, so it's equivalent risk/reward (or cost/payout). Therefore, why Priyanka's spread sheet is showing consistent profit cannot be down to that; I think Pri's above quote happens to be a red herring except for the "positions" part, which isn't utilised in the spread sheet so somewhat irrelevant to this topic.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 30, 12:45 PM 2017
1st looked at roulette forums back in 20-6-13.
Learn't from Winkel, so thanks.
Now i don't think i'm going to learn anything more, from forums.
Goodbye to a few good members definetly not the wanker goldrosen
Have you noticed - 3.000 posts!
:thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Jan 29, 06:36 PM 2017
Question for TG.....
What are you trying to accomplish?
What if I or someone post how it should be done ? What if someone code it and prove this really works? What if people see and read it and use it ?
Now what if casino's adjust there wheel or rules based on this method?
You gave enough info imo. More than enough. To much actually.
I tend to agree with you - everything other than the specific progression is already available.
The casino could certainly make adjustments to the game to defeat this (and they would).
I can't help those who can't see past 1 spin as being part of a group of spins.
I can't help those who don't understand that repeaters are going to happen.
They just want to point to the next spin and say "What number is it going to be then ?"
They won't get it.
Turbo, you have said things that are simply not accurate. It's not a case of me not "getting it". I can and have pointed out the incorrect statements, but your response ends up being with vague information. For example, you said things like you never get 38 numbers in 38 spins. But any combination of 38 spins will happen just as often as the next. Then you say the cycle doesnt need to be 38 spins. But then its the same case, for any length of cycles.
I understand the concept of "what happens over numerous spins". But I myself have tested countless combinations of repeaters, and what happens with them over both short and long term. I used automated software to test probably trillions of spins. And except in the circumstances I already knew about, repeaters are no more likely to spin than any other number - either on the next spin, 2 spins later, or 3,4,5, etc.. And there appears to be no correlation to other repeaters. The only way to properly test this is with automated software, otherwise you wont know if results are good or bad luck.
I released free software for people to verify some of this for themselves. But in time perhaps I'll publish different software that's much more thorough. The problem with this for me is I'd need to create a censored version to protect some things, while still allowing anyone to use it.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 06:17 PM 2017
Turbo, you have said things that are simply not accurate. It's not a case of me not "getting it". I can and have pointed out the incorrect statements, but your response ends up being with vague information. For example, you said things like you never get 38 numbers in 38 spins. But any combination of 38 spins will happen just as often as the next.
What you are missing, or choosing to ignore, is that in many of the 38 spin cycles there will be numbers that repeat 3 or more times
So potentially betting on a number that hit twice would create a situation where you are only betting a few numbers max
You have a structure to go by
And if you lose you make it up on the next cycle
I'm going to take some real spins this weekend and show you. I don't need millions of spins cause that's pointless.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 30, 06:34 PM 2017What you are missing, or choosing to ignore, is that in many of the 38 spin cycles there will be numbers that repeat 3 or more times
Again I am not partial to any belief. I am well aware we never know everything, and our understanding and knowledge can change anytime. I am not choosing to ignore anything. I am stating facts based on my own testing, and the testing of many others who are qualified to do proper testing. My beliefs are based on this. And unless someone or something credible contradicts what I think I know, I'll continue to believe what I think I know.
I could say to you perhaps you are missing, or choosing to ignore, is that repeating numbers (including multiple repeats) does not at all change anything. It is normal probability and the odds are still the same whether it be for the next spin or whatever. Again, the testing supports this. The testing does not support otherwise. And until the testing contradicts what I'm saying, I'll continue to say what I'm saying.
Is it unreasonable that my beliefs align with test results?Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 30, 06:34 PM 2017I don't need millions of spins cause that's pointless.
You are misunderstanding the point of "millions of spins". There can be 10,000 players with what they think is the HG. Each of them play only 100 spins. About 90% of them win, and are convinced they have the HG - and they rave to everyone about how they have beaten roulette. They win a combined $500,000. But the 10% of players lose a combined $510,000, then go back to the drawing board. So what happened here? 1M spins were played. Most players won, but the overall result of all players combined was a loss.
The winning players see no point in testing a million spins. The losing players understand better. How can you be part of the 90% of winners instead of the 10% which are losers? You cant choose. It's just chance. And that's how most systems either win or lose. And its how one person thinks they have the hg, when they dont.
So everyone is just gonna argue for the sake of arguing?
There are several types of players (sure I am leaving some out)
Computer players...use tech to try to predict the outcome
AP...bias players
Recreational...birthdates, anniversaries, uniform numbers and whatever strikes their fancy...just like the environment or wanna have a little fun
Sleeper players...because we all know it's due...it really has to hit now right?
Wheel players...sectors and skips all the way
Felt...dozens and columns, streets and EC's it's just way more organized on the table
Mystics...hunches, numerology...it's just in the stars or tea leaves and you gotta figure out how to analyze it and play it
Warm numbers...they have hit but not alot...but I wanna hit 'em while they get hot instead of recognizing the hot number and playing it when it eventually cools
Hot Numbers...this just keeps hitting so ride the wave
Now many people have some thoughts, feelings or play style that comes across multiple aspects and I am sure there are styles I couldn't rattle off in 3 minutes off the top of my head. Didn't include the math boys specifically here as an ideology because they KNOW they are losing 5% per spin...so they just talk about it and can't play because it's not logical to intentionally lose 5% every friggin spin.
Point is...
there's alot of different viewpoints here with thousands of methods on this forum and others...hell I think Ignatus alone has about 13,000 methods and they all win sometimes and then who know what happens because it's on to the next one 38 seconds later
I have a certain set of beliefs and have structured a style of play that fits those beliefs and has held up well...I come to the forums to see if there is some out of the box thinking that can further refine the play. Kinda like listening to motivational tapes or going to a business seminar. 98% is all the same crap I heard last time, last year, last decade...whatever...but there's that one little thing every once in awhile that turns on that light and leads to a breakthru and you never know where you are gonna find it.
I didn't find it in this thread because I already play hot numbers...never sleepers. I like the way I play...it works for me and I will change it if I ever see something that makes more sense and makes more money.
The math doesn't mean anything to me...because I can't spend the math.
If Steve's computers work...great If someone can clock some tilted wheel that the ball loves a sector on...sweet If your anniversary or kids baseball number happens to win every time you play it...I'm good with that too
No one is gonna give a grail type method away but I believe everyone who gives serious thought and contemplation to the game at hand can win at this game. Think about the things the casino controls and doesn't control...think about the things that are dictated by the house rules and quit worrying about 5% HE. The casino's system works because of more than a straight house edge. Think like the casino to figure out how to beat the casino.
I guarantee the casino is not shaking in its shoes seeing flat bets and double dozen plays and if you are playing whatever number because it hasn't hit all day...they will give you a nice buffet dinner with the comps you surely earned if you ran outta money before the number hit...in fact it's probably on the marquee three times when you get back from that free dinner.
Use the information you have to make informed decisions and then adjust to your table limits and bankroll. Berating everyone whose math or 19 kajillion spin simulator software has a glitch or didn't give the expected or wanted result isn't advancing any discussion.
I can make alot of math arguments for how I play and there are always technicalities that make for an argument that it just doesnt add up. Do I have a 1/38th chance of winning on any given spin? Yes
BUT...if I am committed to a series of attacks with both positive and negative progressions based on average, long and short term hit rates derived from real play on real wheel and not some made up RNG then how exactly do you draw that algorithm? And once we are that deep I would quit arguing and start working on a way to start winning.
My math never really touches the 1/38 because I do not believe there is an equal chance of the 16 sleepers hitting as often in the next X number of spins as the 22 that have already hit or the 6 unique multiple hit numbers buried in that 22. Plus I know I have X number of spins to get that winner...the next spin is meaningless excepting that a winner on the next spin gives me the highest rate of return.
Why don't we just agree to disagree on some of these things because I know some are not gonna like the hot numbers...add progressions...add attacks instead of single spin outcomes and it can spin wildly outta control or right into your wheelhouse. Either way the wheels keep spinning
exactly
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 30, 08:09 PM 2017So everyone is just gonna argue for the sake of arguing?
Not for the sake of arguing. For the sake of accuracy.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 30, 08:09 PM 2017There are several types of players (sure I am leaving some out)
Computer players...use tech to try to predict the outcome
AP...bias players
Recreational...birthdates, anniversaries, uniform numbers and whatever strikes their fancy...just like the environment or wanna have a little fun
Sleeper players...because we all know it's due...it really has to hit now right?
Wheel players...sectors and skips all the way
Felt...dozens and columns, streets and EC's it's just way more organized on the table
Mystics...hunches, numerology...it's just in the stars or tea leaves and you gotta figure out how to analyze it and play it
Warm numbers...they have hit but not alot...but I wanna hit 'em while they get hot instead of recognizing the hot number and playing it when it eventually cools
Hot Numbers...this just keeps hitting so ride the wave
We, or at least I, am not discussing personal preference here. I couldnt care less about someone's personal preference. The discussion, to me at least, is about accuracy of information.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 30, 08:09 PM 2017The math doesn't mean anything to me...because I can't spend the math.
We live in a mathematical and organized universe. There's a benefit to understanding it.
But nobody is telling you not to play however you want.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 30, 08:09 PM 2017My math never really touches the 1/38 because I do not believe there is an equal chance of the 16 sleepers hitting as often in the next X number of spins as the 22 that have already hit or the 6 unique multiple hit numbers buried in that 22.
We'll disagree on this point.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 30, 08:09 PM 2017Why don't we just agree to disagree on some of these things
I dont have a problem with that. This whole thing is going in circles anyway.
there's a difference between the math of the game and what the wheel will ACTUALLY do
Exactly how?
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 30, 01:35 PM 2017
RG
It basically says jot down the numbers as they come and once you have 18 unique...play them as almost an EC
Once ahead...quit
must be some sort of luck/anomaly....performs well
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 05:53 PM 2017
I tend to agree with you - everything other than the specific progression is already available.
The casino could certainly make adjustments to the game to defeat this (and they would).
I can't help those who can't see past 1 spin as being part of a group of spins.
I can't help those who don't understand that repeaters are going to happen.
They just want to point to the next spin and say "What number is it going to be then ?"
They won't get it.
Next spin vs. Next event is something I always hear being promoted by Pri and co as a valid comparison when in fact I think it's just a red herring.
Pri also said, in so many words, that 1 spin (1 number) is 1/37 vs. 2 spins (2 numbers) is 2/37. She failed to mention that with this increased odds (towards "1" or 37/37) that the cost also increases - so another red herring.
I am going to generate a statistic today that I think may help understand what is really happening here with repeats and Pri's spreadsheet - should hopefully shed light on where we may find this advantage should it exist at all.
But again: the above quotes are just a vague distraction/red herring. If TG has a winning repeats strategy I doubt very much it's based on any concept of "repeats have to happen" or "looking 2+ spins ahead", etc. And TG was one of the first to mention about risk/reward and cost/payout in the "basics" thread - yet "repeats" are always promoted in a disjointed manner, i.e. lacking context on one hand and detail on another. TG is now talking pretty similar here in this thread like how Priyanka talks in Random Thoughts - like a politician.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jan 31, 05:35 AM 2017like a politician.
I agree. :thumbsup:
Cloak and Dagger,
could tell ya, but I'd have to kill ya, all in the guise of
"I'm the guru teacher" and
"lets get your puny brains working"
its just needy people with swollen ego's marketing their Brand name.
A brand awareness campaign, if you will.
The carrot on a stick only works for dumb Donkeys and gullible people
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/01/31/temp_138694.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/YlVy)
And there's always the one (or two) kids in class shooting spitballs and not paying any attention to what's being taught.
It's not his fault.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 07:02 AM 2017
what's being taught.
Thats the rub. Nothings being taught
Turner is right. There is nothing being taught here, except rhetoric and propaganda. Priyanka's spreadsheet has less to do with repeats, from what I have initially observed, and more to do with targeting 2 numbers appearing in a row, with a steady progression.
Should I break it down and explain it even clearer ? I see posts by people saying that they understand what I'm saying.
How many times would you expect a teacher to keep going back to the same group of seats and explaining to the few kids who don't get it - who never do homework and never pay attention in class ? It really ruins it for everyone else, and the whole class fails.
When I get back later I'll explain it again hopefully in one post and make it clear(er) - at such time I won't bring it up again here. If at that point it's still a mystery - then it shall always stay a mystery to those who don't get it.
hahaha i was a kid like that...i like the picture..
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 07:30 AM 2017
Should I break it down and explain it even clearer ? I see posts by people saying that they understand what I'm saying.
How many times would you expect a teacher to keep going back to the same group of seats and explaining to the few kids who don't get it - who never do homework and never pay attention in class ? It really ruins it for everyone else, and the whole class fails.
When I get back later I'll explain it again hopefully in one post and make it clear(er) - at such time I won't bring it up again here. If at that point it's still a mystery - then it shall always stay a mystery to those who don't get it.
People may think they understand you following your broadcasts, but without you testing their understanding or them showing you they understand, it could simply be explained by delusion and the vulnerable's need to join your cult. Since this topic is full of politician's waffle then attention needs to be drawn instead towards the cult agenda behind the broadcasts.
Here's some stats I ran today based on how many spins it takes to go from X repeats to Y repeats:
0 > 1 repeat (we knew this already)
Max = 26 spins
Average = spin 7
1 > 2 repeatsMax = 41 spins
Average = spin 13
2 > 3 repeatsMax = 67 spins
Average = spin 16
So let's say we got this situation:
0 appearance = 13 numbers
1 appearance = 13 numbers
2 appearances (repeat level) = 1 number
3 appearances (2 repeats) = 1 number
It could now take 67 spins maximum (based on 1 million spins) to get to the next level: 4 appearances/3 repeats.
Therefore, although there are less numbers involved in the higher levels it takes them longer to repeat
(FACT). Also, by then, the sleepers would reach their next level quicker than the repeats.
So where is the advantage to playing repeats? All situations happen to be equivalent/comparable based on cost, i.e. how many numbers involved in the bet selection and the payout (more numbers = less payout). Again, Pri's speadsheet seems to be based more on betting 2 numbers in a row, with a steady progression and unnecessary tracking of repeats.
Top-end data based on first repeat > 20 spins| 21 | 8 | 24 |
| 21 | 3 | 16 |
| 21 | 7 | 13 |
| 21 | 14 | 5 |
| 21 | 8 | 33 |
| 21 | 1 | 7 |
| 21 | 12 | 7 |
| 21 | 8 | 9 |
| 21 | 17 | 12 |
| 21 | 17 | 7 |
| 21 | 22 | 13 |
| 21 | 5 | 2 |
| 21 | 5 | 1 |
| 21 | 7 | 11 |
| 21 | 21 | 11 |
| 21 | 12 | 10 |
| 21 | 12 | 10 |
| 21 | 7 | 10 |
| 21 | 11 | 9 |
| 22 | 7 | 27 |
| 22 | 10 | 27 |
| 22 | 12 | 15 |
| 22 | 12 | 20 |
| 22 | 8 | 6 |
| 22 | 9 | 5 |
| 23 | 19 | 10 |
| 23 | 4 | 8 |
| 23 | 12 | 3 |
| 23 | 15 | 9 |
| 23 | 5 | 4 |
| 24 | 3 | 18 |
| 24 | 7 | 12 |
| 24 | 10 | 21 |
(need to subtract 1 from the first spin as we don't play spin 1)
One more stat
1 > 2 repeats
Max = 41 spins
Average = spin 13
When the first repeat is > spin 8 then the average for the move to 2nd level is only reduced from spin 13 to spin 12.
2 > 3 repeats
Max = 67 spins
Average = spin 16
When the first and second repeat are above their averages of spin 7 and spin 13, i.e. they occurred on spin 8+ and spin 14+ respectively, then the average time it takes to get to the next level is still 16 spins (independent).
1>2 repeats 45 spins in my own data
2>3 repeats 78 spins ""
Of course this doesn't happen often. Sessions like that not make it lose.
And of course we aim for multiple hits ^-^
Quote from: denzie on Jan 31, 08:57 AM 2017
1>2 repeats 45 spins in my own data
Comparable then, but we not here to split hairs? You are just confirming the main point I made: there may be less numbers involved @ higher repeat levels, but to get to each subsequent level takes longer and longer for the repeats to continue repeating. Priyanka failed to mention that when she promoted tracking less and less dozens @ higher repeat levels as equating to some kind of advantage (see first few pages of Random Thoughts topic).
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jan 31, 08:09 AM 2017
Here's some stats I ran today based on how many spins it takes to go from X repeats to Y repeats:
0 > 1 repeat (we knew this already)
Max = 26 spins
Average = spin 7
1 > 2 repeats
Max = 41 spins
Average = spin 13
2 > 3 repeats
Max = 67 spins
Average = spin 16
So let's say we got this situation:
0 appearance = 13 numbers
1 appearance = 13 numbers
2 appearances (repeat level) = 1 number
3 appearances (2 repeats) = 1 number
So there is 28 unique numbers identified in this example 13+13+1+1 leaving 10 on my American wheel
So for the argument (which it certainly is at this point)
Why don't we compare the average and max spins on the hit numbers you illustrated above... with the 10 sleepers...then compare those average and max hit rates and statistically compare if an edge is gained by playing one group vs the other on either an average or max basis...
QuoteSessions like that not make it lose.
And of course we aim for multiple hits
If we are taking longer and longer to get to the next repeat level then we are going to lose. However, the amount of numbers is less, so in the end we just break even or lose to the house advantage.
So playing for multiple levels if that's what you mean gives no advantage. If you mean playing for multiple hits at the same level it will just become more and more drawn out and uncertain the more levels that are tracked and knowing which number from which level is next to jump up to the next.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 31, 09:10 AM 2017
So there is 28 unique numbers identified in this example 13+13+1+1 leaving 10 on my American wheel
So for the argument (which it certainly is at this point)
Why don't we compare the average and max spins on the hit numbers you illustrated above... with the 10 sleepers...then compare those average and max hit rates and statistically compare if an edge is gained by playing one group vs the other on either an average or max basis...
Was an error... was meant to be 10 numbers at the 2 appearance level so that only one number had taken the lead at the top level.
In general, playing one group over another depends on how many numbers are in that group - not how many times they have repeated. This goes back to the 12 street example:
1 hit: 1234
2 hit: 5678
3 hit: 9,10,11,12
Which group has advantage? I think all groups are equal. You want me to do a test like this for numbers? Or I can do it for streets without the zero?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jan 31, 09:16 AM 2017
so in the end we just break even or lose to the house advantage.
Isnt that enough to make it win? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Quote from: denzie on Jan 31, 09:39 AM 2017
Isnt that enough to make it win? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Not unless you get into the study of variance. My guess is that Pri/TG cannot win simply playing for repeats. Pri probably uses repeats to create combinations and then combines combinations in some way to either beat variance or to make S/D sequences - perhaps aided by parallel streams in some way (see my last topic: link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18499). The spreadsheet, on the other hand, seems to be about betting a rare event using a progression - something we might get a bot to do. Repeats seemed to be tracked at the same time as playing the rare event for the purpose of deceiving us.
I can say it in a few lines and under 90 long posts
It's based on repeats and a progression
(edit)
Betting repeaters isnt good enough especially if you are betting a coverage over cycles
Somehow, you have to make the numbers that are hitting pay for the ones that arnt
That cant be done just by a mild progression and removal of non hitting numbers after a cycle.
The net you are fishing with has holes in and just sewing them up after a cycle isnt good enough so
you have to get very big fish to pay for all the little ones that are escaping.
I get all that, but the missing link is how.
In the case of TG, it seems to be some magic progression. Thats the bit that isnt explained.
thats the bit that probably will not be explained....and I personally cant make work.
I had a magic progression once. It made all my money disappear. Poof!
Quote from: 3Nine on Jan 31, 10:40 AM 2017
I had a magic progression once. It made all my money disappear. Poof!
It wasn't the progression; it was the variance! :wink:
STOP !!!!!!!!
Im moving these to reddwarf post. keep on topic-ish
Quote from: Turner on Jan 31, 10:23 AM 2017
Betting repeaters isnt good enough especially if you are betting a coverage over cycles
Somehow, you have to make the numbers that are hitting pay for the ones that arnt
Correct
That cant be done just by a mild progression
Are you 100% sure? I mean did you actually tried it all ?
The net you are fishing with has holes in and just sewing them up after a cycle isnt good enough so
you have to get very big fish to pay for all the little ones that are escaping.
Catching a big fish isn't that hard if you know where and when to throw the bait
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In the case of TG, it seems to be some magic progression. Thats the bit that isnt explained.
thats the bit that probably will not be explained....and I personally cant make work.
That bit actually can be played on several ways imo .
One thing is for sure. His autograph where you talk about ain't it. Tried that myself too.
Been on this shit for months already now.
Anyway your much better than me in math...do you understand why the HE was break even after that group bets only after there numbers appeared? >:D
If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win. Because all you then have is random bets of different size.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 31, 04:24 PM 2017
If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win. Because all you then have is random bets of different size.
Well it doesn't win each session. But it does win like 29/30ish.
Anyway let's forget this thread. Back to .....whatever :)
GUT KTF 123 Ec or my previous posts....sorry but they fail....I guess we all have to walk the same path....
If I have a halfway decent bet selection I can certainly carry out a one or two number bet for quite awhile and end in profit
Stop losses and a slight negative on the descent and a positive progression after it hits just to magnify the effect
The key is not spreading across alot of numbers...it's always been the same
I just find it quite funny and comical that some people say they are sick of the same RBRBRB strategies
Then someone comes along talking about betting a very small amount of numbers and how it's working and had that same person says it's impossible
What happened to thinking and discussing different ideas only to have a turn into a shit show
Some people say they are tired of the same old ideas and to discuss different new ideas and then when you do it gets shut down as being impossible
This form is turning into the same vicious cycle the same thing over and over again
As much as some people think they know everything they don't
I actually have something else important to do but I did say I would explain it again so here we are.
I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.
We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once
8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.
So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.
Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.
We all know that its the average or law of third. How will you know that there will 3 hit will be 4 hit. Lets say there only 2 hits in 37 spin cycle. How can you overcome? Ye u might win sometimes but not all the times. The sequence of spin will kill this. Can u plz run a practical example like spin by spin? We can provide spin one by one if you want. Appreciate it
Quote from: Madi on Jan 31, 11:13 PM 2017
Can u plz run a practical example like spin by spin? We can provide spin one by one if you want. Appreciate it
I can guarantee you this topic won't go in that direction lol
Quote from: denzie on Oct 04, 08:58 AM 2016
Imagine this with a positive progression.
That 17 hitter would return big bucks.
Keep the br low. If there's no clear hottie you reduce the losses this way
When to stop? If your hottie didn't show in 35 spins
Quote from: denzie on Oct 04, 03:30 PM 2016
On a hit add one chip on that #
Now take that session of ignatus with 17 hits. That would have won huge.
I've been looking in wiesbaden a lot . You can see at the bottom of each day how many times a # hits. Now go look many days and observe how many days there's a # that hits a lot more than average. Super hottie.
If you see that...then look how many days there's not a really hot one.
After you got that info....choose your br. And keep it low. For example 50 units/# and max 2#. Now look how many br you win if you have a super hottie. You will see that you can lose a looooot of sessions and still win.
Or you can use 200u and need to win 5-10 sessions to recover
Hoping not another bust comes b4 that
2# max
Hey Turbo, I think I get the Jist of what you are explaining. I have an airball machine at my local casino with a 25 cent min per number and would like to try this out.
What kind of bankroll would I need to play this. Thks
Grant
Is it for rng or live wheel. If live wheel i dont know if rng no way. I tried till 111 spin 3 cycle . Big down. If anyone comes with practical happy to assist. When i was chasing 2 nd hit i got 29 single hit. In 37 spin
We all know if we get a super hottie how easily it wins. Like taking candy from a baby.
But what if we don't get one ? Keep going or reset the whole thing. .......
Is it really a hottie, or just random?
If random, what good does reseting do?
Turbo thanks for your explanation but it's just saying after a few repeats, a number is more likely to spin. But this is untrue.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 09:19 PM 2017Thanks for reading
Thanks for typing all that
Ive done nothing else for years now. This genre. Attacking repeats.
My issue is that many cycles never get past 2 repeats, i.e, all the repeats only hit twice, and there are many of them...12 or so (I think Madi referred to this)
So if you "win every time" you must keep going even though theres a big drawdown (in the above example)
or...in other words, you must keep going over several cycles.
This is where I am intersted.
1. have you always "won" in a fixed set of cycles, or can it be between say, 2 cycles and 7?
2. When you say "won", could you be only 6 units up after 5 cycles? (still a win)
(I think people confuse "I never lose" with "I make megga bucks every sitting")
After reading TG's in-depth post above, I will give my take on how I think it is roughly played.
The basic rules appear to be to wait until a number appears twice and then place a chip on that number.
If a number appears for the third time, add a further chip and keep repeating in this fashion for the rest of the cycle.
Here is the first chart of 37 spins and the results of following the above criteria.
We know what he is doing
Just not how
I don't think the how is important
The what is what's important
No matter how you slice the cake we are betting repeaters, not numbers that haven't been hit this cycle
This part is for the second cycle (spins 38 to 74) and this is where my interpretation comes into play.
What I think happens is that now you will only attack numbers that have so far had 3 hits.
Why? Because in the first cycle you were only betting on numbers that had appeared at least twice.
So carrying on with this line of thinking, you would now only bet numbers that had appeared 3 times for the start of the second cycle.
Number 6 which hit 5 times in the first cycle would now revert from a 4 chip bet to a 3 chip bet.
The few other numbers that had appeared 3 times will revert to a 1 chip bet.
Of course the bets will rise again as and when any of these numbers hit.
Here is the chart for the second lot of 37 spins and the results.
@ wiggy
About the second cycle. What happen about the statement bet every number that landed on the table. If you only bet 3 hit on second cycle it is very possible that the 3 hit going down and other 2 hits number coming up with 3 hit may be 4 hit.you need to bet after 1st for every cycle.
Madi, I see what you saying. Hot numbers can quickly turn cold and vice versa.
One thing about all this is the ease of playing in a live casino. I think it would be pretty difficult playing too many numbers with different chip sizes.
Here is a longer chart similar to the couple that I posted up several days ago. This one covers 10 cycles.
If you add up the numbers below expectation and the ones hitting expectation, it is sometimes adding up to 60% of the total at the end of a cycle.
Meaning the other 40% is taken up by the numbers hitting solely above expectation. Is this the variance factor in play?
Surely it makes more sense to play only the numbers above expectation as TG suggests and it also covers his point that if there are any bias numbers in play, you are more than likely to be on them and avoid the pockets that donate to the bias, 'hot' numbers. These can also run in cycles (so I believe) according to different characteristics and could play into this cycle theory nicely. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong. Maybe TG will see this and comment.
Got ur point wiggy. U saying better playing the number performing above expectation. Ok lets make in shorter. I will give you 10 number and telling you at least you get 3 doublehit in 37 spin. With a positive progression how can we catch these whatever the spin sequence are?
Interesting....as a comparision:
If we bet 1 unit on each number that appears according to your example the result would be:
First 37 = +306 units
continuing on with no reset second 37 = +484 or with reset then +342
TOTAL = +790 units if continued
TOTAL = +648 units (2 single sessions clearing board after first 37 spins)
But of course this result would not happen every 2 cycles (74 spins) and losses would occur
Using 2 samples is not really saying a lot about consistency and the less samples the more luck takes a part (my opinion)
Also I would take profit after a certain number of spins and profit level so the greed level would kick in with some players.
This could have just as easily turned the other way with losses
Quote from: wiggy on Feb 01, 05:42 PM 2017
One thing about all this is the ease of playing in a live casino. I think it would be pretty difficult playing too many numbers with different chip sizes.
:thumbsup:
Here are my second test results of cycle 1 and cycle 2.
Not a disaster by any means with just the -8 loss.
The idea of only betting numbers above the expectation does seem to limit the bets to short of a dozen numbers which probably just about makes it playable.
These numbers were taken from Table 1 at Wiesbaden 01/02/17. The number 25 hits another 6 times over the next available 58 spins (within 2 cycles) taking it's tally to 11 hits within 4 cycles. Meaning in cycle 3, number 25 would be staked at 2 units followed by 3 units and then 4 units. Cycle 4 would see number 25 staked at 3, 4 and 5 units. I think that's more than enough hits to take the whole thing into a decent profit. I will finish them 2 cycles of later. That's the thing looking at my other charts. After 10 cycles, you can sometimes see several numbers with some decent hits. But just one hitting nicely above expectation like the number 25 in this instance and it appears to be ok.
I made a mistake in the second chart above regarding the number 1 and number 18.
On cycle 2, I needed to be betting all numbers that had 3 hits. Number 1 and number 18 never appeared at all. I forgot to include them in the results.
So that's and added 72 unit loss taking the grand total over the 2 cycles to -80.
I am working on cycles 3 and 4 now.
Wiggy
Waiting for the result of 3 and 4 cycle. Lets see how it goes. But say to get plus playing around 150 spin doesnt worth. Turbo might have something special that we cant get. But either way negetive or positive both progression requiring big bank
At the end of the 3rd cycle, I am down 249 units.
Personally speaking, I wouldn't enjoy playing something like this. No disrespect to it's creator.
I also think I would have steam coming out of my ears trying to work out all the bets, lol. But then it's always the same. The author can play his own method without blinking. It doesn't mean the rest of us can. I am putting up the 3rd cycle chart and leaving it at that. Hopefully one day Turbo will share his strategy in full. I don't think I got the progression part right for a start. Mine isn't exactly an aggressive progression as TG suggests. I appreciate TG's efforts in providing some clues. It was fun to have a look at it.
I thing TG is right. It needs big bankroll
Bankroll is a key element in any gambling scenario and is seldom given enough emphasis
The casino's overwhelming cash edge means they can basically wait you out financially since you can never really get back in the game quickly if you escalate too fast because of table limits.
The dilemma then becomes the spread on where you start the progression vs those table limits and starting at a point that allows a reasonable amount of safety generally has you guessing whether its worth it because if you have $50-100,000 as a gambling bank you really don't want to start at $2 or nickel bets because the wins just aren't worth it based on your bank size
It's always something
I think $5000 should be ok. Even less would
Be fine. $2 starting bet too big. $1 starting bet is fine even some has 25c or less , start with that. No betselection is superior. In my view we need some kind of progression to overcome. Its not easy to beat a random game.come on in last 200 years people made different progression . Why? May be they fail or win . But the only answer of "when" is the progression.
Thats not a normally used progression. I never seen that in roulette forum.
@ turbo are there more explanations to come and some math formulas or that was it...thx
Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 29, 05:33 PM 2017
Here is the link to excel. I have tested 10 million spins and it seems to hold good. Hmm!! Warned about the excel formula though, it might have been tampered :o 8) ??? ::)
link:s://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8V2R2PUfxa7U1NNV05mMldKNGc/view?usp=sharing
Hy Pryianka
The Excel Tracker has a mistake in the AO column (wrong chip count when winning).
Attached the corrected version.
The progresion fails.
Regards,
Alex
Long time lurker here and joined to reply to this thread with what I got out of what turbogenius has been saying in this thread and in many threads on GF.
I will say up front, I am quite likely wrong, it would not be the first time.
In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice.
Using this he has, through testing worked out a positive progression for betting on numbers that have hit twice to win when they hit for the third or fourth time. This really is not that hard to work out and if this is what he is doing, I can see why he is winning all the time.
Think about it.
Like I stated earlier I am quite possibly wrong, but in my, so far, limited testing it works.
Quote from: Pogo on Aug 02, 08:50 PM 2017
Long time lurker here and joined to reply to this thread with what I got out of what turbogenius has been saying in this thread and in many threads on GF.
I will say up front, I am quite likely wrong, it would not be the first time.
In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice.
Using this he has, through testing worked out a positive progression for betting on numbers that have hit twice to win when they hit for the third or fourth time. This really is not that hard to work out and if this is what he is doing, I can see why he is winning all the time.
Think about it.
Like I stated earlier I am quite possibly wrong, but in my, so far, limited testing it works.
Hi pogo
The problem is, what is the entry point and the progression.
Solve that and you have yourself a Holy Grail.
Regards,
Alex
To all RF users, a friendly recommendation to read this thread.
Alex:)
Quote from: probasah on Aug 03, 05:04 AM 2017
Hi pogo
The problem is, what is the entry point and the progression.
Solve that and you have yourself a Holy Grail.
Regards,
Alex
Before considering a progression it would need to win flat-betting first, right? And a positive progression requires a win to progress, otherwise you would have to wait for the next set of 37 spins? I envisage a lot of waiting...
U can tell everyone how to play, where is the entry point and the progression.
Quote from: probasah on Aug 03, 05:04 AM 2017
Hi pogo
The problem is, what is the entry point and the progression.
Solve that and you have yourself a Holy Grail.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: Madi on Aug 03, 05:22 AM 2017
U can tell everyone how to play, where is the entry point and the progression.
Reading both of those replies, it is very obvious you have either not read all of TurboGenius's posts, or if you have, you have not understood them. The entry point is the easy part, the progression takes more working out and lots of trial and error, but it is basic math.
Some of you have said he has posted riddles, I refute that, he has been very clear, it is just that not many have really read his posts properly.
Read his notes again, they are spread out over both this forum and GF and go back 2 years. He hasn't handed the solution completely to anyone on a platter and neither will I, but I understand why he got frustrated. Besides, I could very well be wrong.
The way I play it does not win each cycle 100% of the time, but it comes pretty close.
A cryptic hint if you like: Unless you get an absolutely perfect cycle, you will always lose before you win. Look at his graphs, they show that.
Quote from: Pogo on Aug 03, 06:19 AM 2017
Reading both of those replies, it is very obvious you have either not read all of TurboGenius's posts, or if you have, you have not understood them. The entry point is the easy part, the progression takes more working out and lots of trial and error, but it is basic math.
Some of you have said he has posted riddles, I refute that, he has been very clear, it is just that not many have really read his posts properly.
Read his notes again, they are spread out over both this forum and GF and go back 2 years. He hasn't handed the solution completely to anyone on a platter and neither will I, but I understand why he got frustrated. Besides, I could very well be wrong.
The way I play it does not win each cycle 100% of the time, but it comes pretty close.
A cryptic hint if you like: Unless you get an absolutely perfect cycle, you will always lose before you win. Look at his graphs, they show that.
Hi pogo,
The instructions are indeed very clear. Repeaters do happen. They cluster. The problem is the Money Management part. TurboGenius never told us that small part (1%) that makes all the difference between losing and winning. I`m not blaming him. It`s his choice.
Waiting for a lose can be a solution, how about waiting for a series of loses and then a win and bet after that?
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: probasah on Aug 03, 06:28 AM 2017
Hi pogo,
The instructions are indeed very clear. Repeaters do happen. They cluster. The problem is the Money Management part. TurboGenius never told us that small part (1%) that makes all the difference between losing and winning. I`m not blaming him. It`s his choice.
Waiting for a lose can be a solution, how about waiting for a series of loses and then a win and bet after that?
Regards,
Alex
Repeats don't cluster per se. It all depends how many numbers are @ 1 appearance will determine the probability for a repeat. The more numbers in sight of a repeat the more chance of clustering potential. 5 double streets will cluster more than a single double street, but the payout is less. So that part bears no significance.
Again, money management is a red herring. Win flat-betting first.
Waiting for a virtual win is another losing technique base around variance avoidance that doesn't work.
Repeats can help - but I think the above only serves to steer everyone astray from what really matters.
I suggest ignoring all vague talk of clusters, MM (positive or negative!), variance avoidance, and instead concentrate specifically on this more valid statement:
"In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice."
Turbo has made claims that are fundamentally false. Things that his system is based on. I said it all before. I'd like to believe otherwise but his approach doesn't work.
There's simple proof. Do "hot numbers" have different odds of winning again anytime soon? No. Its super old gamblers fallacy. So the odds don't change. Payouts don't change. Nothing changes. What's left is just a typical progression. Its black and white. Its simple math. Simple logic.
Yet people will test short term data and think short term wins are proof. You'll get the same long term results if you bet on cold numbers.
Its not just me that understands these fundamental facts. Its the entire casino community. Mathematicians. Statisticians. Anyone that understands basic math.
It is insanity to have such clear proof in front of your eyes and ignore it. Why ignore? Because of low volume testing? You think that's more reliable that far more extensive testing?
Show me one piece of tangible evidence that hot numbers change the odds. And if odds aren't changed, show me how progression is any different to a bunch of random bets of different sizes.
Quote from: probasah on Aug 03, 06:28 AM 2017
Hi pogo,
The instructions are indeed very clear. Repeaters do happen. They cluster. The problem is the Money Management part. TurboGenius never told us that small part (1%) that makes all the difference between losing and winning. I`m not blaming him. It`s his choice.
Waiting for a lose can be a solution, how about waiting for a series of loses and then a win and bet after that?
Regards,
Alex
Read these posts:
RouletteGhost reply 49 (he gets most of it)
rouletteKEY reply 102 (he probably has it by now)
Turner reply 209 (knows what must be done, but hasn't worked on it enough)
TurboGenieus reply 218 (tells it all on a platter)
If you don't have it after reading them you wont get it at all.
I agree with Steve:
-Very Hot
-Hot
-Medium
-Cold
-Freezing
Repeat potential: Hot numbers don't have more chance than Freezing numbers!
Again, only useful statement so far:
"In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice."
To add to this we have one from Reddwarf:
Quote from: reddwarf on Dec 07, 04:50 AM 2010If I wait for a N repeats of a number and start betting on all numbers that repeated N times, the higher N, the higher the less unique numbers I need to bet on.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 03, 06:53 AM 2017
Its not just me that understands these fundamental facts. Its the entire casino community. Mathematicians. Statisticians. Anyone that understands basic math.
It is insanity to have such clear proof in front of your eyes and ignore it. Why ignore? Because of low volume testing? You think that's more reliable that far more extensive testing?
Show me one piece of tangible evidence that hot numbers change the odds. And if odds aren't changed, show me how progression is any different to a bunch of random bets of different sizes.
I am not sure where TurboGenius was leading with the odds bit Steve, but this works and I am sure many know it does and do not say a word.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 03, 06:41 AM 2017
Win flat-betting first.
Repeats can help - but I think the above only serves to steer everyone astray from what really matters.
"In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice."
Hi Falkor
I absolutely agree with all your above points. I am a flat bet believer myself. One needs to have a solid bet selection and then think of money management.
The entry point is also important. Read my suggestion above: Bet entry:
Wait for a Serie of loses and then a Win and enter there.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: probasah on Aug 03, 07:02 AM 2017
Hi Falkor
I absolutely agree with all your above points. I am a flat bet believer myself. One needs to have a solid bet selection and then think of money management.
The entry point is also important. Read my suggestion above: Bet entry: Wait for a Serie of loses and then a Win and enter there.
Regards,
Alex
Oh man, you are way off the mark. Stop thinking so basic, read what has been posted. I totally get TurboGenius's frustration.
Quote from: Pogo on Aug 03, 07:08 AM 2017
Oh man, you are way off the mark. Stop thinking so basic, read what has been posted. I totally get TurboGenius's frustration.
Yes, pogo, you are right. I a wrong.
Attached 18 series of 5000 spins to confirm it.
Alex
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 03, 06:41 AM 2017I suggest ignoring all vague talk of clusters, MM (positive or negative!), variance avoidance, and instead concentrate specifically on this more valid statement:
"In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice."
Have you seen the light or something Mr F.
What does reference point 25 in GUT show
Quote from: probasah on Aug 03, 07:02 AM 2017
Hi Falkor
I absolutely agree with all your above points. I am a flat bet believer myself. One needs to have a solid bet selection and then think of money management.
The entry point is also important. Read my suggestion above: Bet entry: Wait for a Serie of loses and then a Win and enter there.
Regards,
Alex
You are assuming two things:
1) There's more chance for a cluster of 2+ wins
2) That cluster pays out more in terms of risk/reward
So let's say we are betting double dozens (66%):
1) I wait for 1 virtual win and then I bet on the double dozens to win again
2) I may win more, but every time I lose, I lose TWICE as much compared to when I win
And when that virtual win does come, the potential for another win depends on how many numbers we are betting each time.
So unfortunately, waiting for a virtual win is a misnomer.
Quote from: probasah on Aug 03, 07:11 AM 2017
Yes, pogo, you are right. I a wrong.
Attached 18 series of 5000 spins to confirm it.
Alex
OK you play your way, but from what you have stated so far it is not how TurboGenius does, if your way wins, well done.
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 03, 07:13 AM 2017
Have you seen the light or something Mr F.
He is getting closer and he has quoted the most relevant part towards getting it.
"In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice."Anyone who does not understand after reading the posts I outlined and the above quote, never will.
Quote from: Pogo on Aug 03, 06:58 AM 2017
Read these posts:
RouletteGhost reply 49 (he gets most of it)
rouletteKEY reply 102 (he probably has it by now)
Turner reply 209 (knows what must be done, but hasn't worked on it enough)
TurboGenieus reply 218 (tells it all on a platter)
If you don't have it after reading them you wont get it at all.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Jan 27, 08:16 PM 201737 spins cycles you will have numbers that hit 3 to 4 times
So when a number hits twice start betting it
OK good. This reflects the one valid statement so far.
Quote from: Turner on Jan 31, 10:23 AM 2017
Betting repeaters isnt good enough especially if you are betting a coverage over cycles
Somehow, you have to make the numbers that are hitting pay for the ones that arnt
That cant be done just by a mild progression and removal of non hitting numbers after a cycle.
The net you are fishing with has holes in and just sewing them up after a cycle isnt good enough so
you have to get very big fish to pay for all the little ones that are escaping.
I get all that, but the missing link is how.
In the case of TG, it seems to be some magic progression. Thats the bit that isnt explained.
thats the bit that probably will not be explained....and I personally cant make work.
Too vague. Progression isn't going to help unless the flat-betting strategy is figured out first.
Quote from: rouletteKEY on Jan 28, 10:51 PM 2017
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The erosion of bankroll to the house edge is not inevitable at all and variance to a certain extent can be controlled...more so long term than short...but both have an element of control available
Just took the top sheet off my stack of spins
38 spins
1 - 5x
1- 4x
2 -3x
5 - repeats
13 - single hits
22 numbers hit
16 with nothing
next 6 spins
5 of the 6 hits came from numbers in the last 38 spins...and 22 is on the short side of the norm because of the 5 time and 4 time hitters...so there were plenty of numbers that had not hit in now 44 spins just sitting there waiting...while somebody plays those 16 sleepers they get one hit...the guy on the 22 that had hit...5 hits
next 6 spins (against the rolling 38 previous numbers)
4 hits on previously hit numbers...2 misses
next 6 spins
again 4 hits against 2 misses
Now if I play lets say 26 numbers (to get closer to the norm for examples sake) and get 4 hits and 2 misses every six spins without money management and stoplosses I am pretty close to the HE...but I killed it upfront in the first 38 spins (I probably picked a bad example...again a 5 and a 4 hitter are a little out of ordinary but wasn't gonna grab a second sheet for times sake)
But the player using sleepers or even a random sampling of numbers not taking into account what had already hit...that player is likely getting maybe a 50/50 ratio on this particular 26 number bet (I know each 26 number bet would have different results...just looking at one example with real spins I played)...I win 67%...there's an edge regardless of whoevers head is exploding with applying a belief that because 38 unique numbers can show...that they will show
But...if I can concentrate on a changing rotation of 20-28 numbers to select from out of the 38 available and look at hot wheel sectors and do a little (alot actually) of analysis of how to ride the waves of numbers as they appear and repeat and have enough bankroll to see things thru
Variance can be controlled, but here we are not using any process to control it. It's no different to saying that Red has to catch up with Black, but neither take on any extra pulling power should the other be above maths expectation of 50%. So here we are without any valid statements/facts that might help us use repeats to our advantage.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 09:19 PM 2017
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8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
...
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.
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Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
...
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
...
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.
These are all solid statements and there's no erroneous mentions of variance avoidance techniques. Betting varying amounts is not the same as the positive progression suggested since, and flat-betting should suffice in terms of testing the above. So the above should be brought into context with the original statement that has more to say about the limits of repeats happening in 37-spins:
"In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice."
To add to this we have one from Reddwarf:
Quote from: reddwarf on Dec 07, 04:50 AM 2010If I wait for a N repeats of a number and start betting on all numbers that repeated N times, the higher N, the higher the less unique numbers I need to bet on.
@ pago
Have u outlined something new? We finished it in february and this is august. Ye we got it in 37 spin there will be 3-5 number more than twice. So what? Can u win in 37 spin?
Quote from: Madi on Aug 03, 08:00 AM 2017
@ pago
Have u outlined something new? We finished it in february and this is august. Ye we got it in 37 spin there will be 3-5 number more than twice. So what? Can u win in 37 spin?
Did you get it after 6 months? It took me 6 hours of reading. I don't think this is something new. In fact it is probably older than any of us on this board.
Quote from: Madi on Aug 03, 08:00 AM 2017
Can u win in 37 spin?
99 times out of 100, yes. The other 1 will be a small loss.
Then u r genious . Turbo win in couple of 37 spin cycle and u win in only one cycle. Very good . Show us some graph
In fact u r the first person that i have seen saying playing repeater in 37 spin you can win 99 %. Happy to follow you. Show us some more
Mr P this is 1st 10 spins, of 517 games(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/08/03/temp_883134.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/B3af) the 10/10, not repeated, of the 123 games, spin 11 was a repeat and happened 38 times.
So we can see its more likely a 1x will go to 2x in 1st 10 spins, what did winkel show with reference point 13, you/I could see a # could have hit twice.
Now comes the but, the 1x's that go to 2x's, that have now been increased can keep growing eating BR, on many posted GUT sheets we can see 2x's go 3x after 20th spin.
Entry point
If we are to bet hot #'s then #'s that have hit twice, the decision is do you wait for 20 spins or bet when one goes a 2x, hoping for an early hit.
Priyanka posted an excel sheet that you load the spins and shows where the repeats come, it was for me to use in KTF, but you can easily see the repeating #'s,
Its in Green and taotie dont like green >:D
Quote from: Madi on Aug 03, 08:13 AM 2017
Then u r genious . Turbo win in couple of 37 spin cycle and u win in only one cycle. Very good . Show us some graph
Quote from: Madi on Aug 03, 08:21 AM 2017
In fact u r the first person that i have seen saying playing repeater in 37 spin you can win 99 %. Happy to follow you. Show us some more
Read the threads I outlined.
Nottphammer, you have always been the closest of everyone on this board with your way of playing.
Have fun all, this is too frustrating for me and time for bed. I am regretting even trying to help now.
Thats been done even before u start reading
And turbo didnt claim he can win within first 37 spin . And dont refer to him.
Quote from: Pogo on Aug 03, 07:25 AM 2017
OK you play your way, but from what you have stated so far it is not how TurboGenius does, if your way wins, well done.
He is getting closer and he has quoted the most relevant part towards getting it.
"In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice."
Anyone who does not understand after reading the posts I outlined and the above quote, never will.
I hope I've done a good job here of separating the facts from the variance avoidance/money management crap. I think the concepts discussed here could help Turbo and others profit - but rather than variance or MM being the key to capitalizing on repeats - I would go as far as to say it's none of those but actually bringing in a
parallel stream whose mention (so far) has been totally omitted. Here's an example of a parallel stream we could track alongside numbers:
1) Number positions/distances
2) Corners or splits
Without any of those I seriously doubt Turbo (or anyone) could come up with a winning strategy. Certainly that's the case playing for 1 repeat in 37 spins, but since we are playing for 2-4 repeats in 37 spins, I guess without further testing, I am not in a position to dismiss the existence of a more simpler strategy.
At the end of the day I don't think turbo is lying
He is a straight up guy
If he says he is winning with repeaters I take his word for it
You however, are full of bullshit. Always have been. All goes back to your "millionaires system"
I feel bad for your forum members.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 09:19 PM 2017
I actually have something else important to do but I did say I would explain it again so here we are.
I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.
We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once
8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers Remember this line
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show What was said above,what did reply 270 show, more repeats happen in a games 1st 10 spins,These 1X's are not really hot are they, r they not hot when they hit twice?Decision time, do you wait 8 spins and see if Vaddi's missed the boat, wait to see if goes 10/10, or wait for a number to hit twice,
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.
So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.
Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.
So Turbs is not wrong, i use a 37 #'d wheel, i'd hope you've looked at GUT and got an understanding of when the non-hits cross, but in GUT you wont be looking for repeats, if you use the paper tracker you'll get to visualise where the repeats happen, where/when 1x's go 2x's then3,4X's.
In KTF, does countback not show how fast non-hits come, remember when you start all 37 are now due, being the larger group, why should they not go 10 or even 15 consecutive wins, if your waiting for a 2 hit you'll have spent nothing,only your time, lets say 15 spins have gone and all where non-hit, only 22 more spins, whats usual for 37 spins 23/24/25 numbers to show once, so when your 2X shows how many spins will 2x's grow before they go 3X, you are going to have to test or use shown data
Quote from: Pogo on Aug 02, 08:50 PM 2017
In a 37(European Roulette)/38 (American Roulette) spin cycle, there are going to be 3-5 numbers hit more than twice.
On average 3. But what you gonna do if it's only 1 or nothing at all ???
Pogo....Thats Not how TG plays.
How many test you've done ?
Hi ya Ausguy, been a while since we crossed swords, hope you are well.
Here is 3 games from MPR today, not all at the same time, bit scruffy, but its gone from 5109 to 5472 using a starting unit of $1,
I just watch the spins/ trot, bet on non-hit or for a repeat indicated by countback, taking into account avg to hit for non-hit and if non-hit are fast, bet for repeat, biggest bet was for the 28th non-hit in 2nd game of 60 spins, why the bet for the 28th, reason is 26 have come in 40 spins, avg for 60 spins is 30 non-hit,so 4 more in 20 spins, and as you see got 29 in 60 spins,
Average, gives chance for both non-hit and repeats, you just need to learn the trot, you like that Priyanka, Notto's on about the trot again :thumbsup:
Just looked at the sheet, 9/10, 10/10,9/10 look at the 10/10 spin 11 repeat, what did i say in reply 270 about 10/10, look at spin 12 hot :lol:
Here are some stats. All these are individual sets of 10 million spins.
In 37 spins to expect a third hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with three hits: 265475 / 270270
Percentage: 98%
In 74 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with four hits: 135122 / 135135
Percentage: 99%
In 111 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with five hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%
In 111 spins to expect a sixth hit:
In 74 spins to expect a sixth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with six hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%
Quote from: celescliff on Aug 03, 02:26 PM 2017
Here are some stats. All these are individual sets of 10 million spins.
In 37 spins to expect a third hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with three hits: 265475 / 270270
Percentage: 98%
In 74 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with four hits: 135122 / 135135
Percentage: 99%
In 111 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with five hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%
In 111 spins to expect a sixth hit:
In 74 spins to expect a sixth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with six hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%
Any 37/37 singles showing up in the 10 million spins ? ( sleepers) How about :ZERO :)
Repeaters are the way to go.
Quote from: probasah on Aug 03, 02:47 PM 2017
Any 37/37 singles showing up in the 10 million spins ? ( sleepers) How about :ZERO :)
Repeaters are the way to go.
Yes this is any single number and zero is also included (as it should always be).
No doubt turbo has done a very good job and helped others for free. It took him years to conclude. Thanks for him. Make a "go fund turbo" and share winning. Haha
Quote from: celescliff on Aug 03, 02:26 PM 2017
Here are some stats. All these are individual sets of 10 million spins.
In 37 spins to expect a third hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with three hits: 265475 / 270270
Percentage: 98%
In 74 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with four hits: 135122 / 135135
Percentage: 99%
In 111 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with five hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%
In 111 spins to expect a sixth hit:
In 74 spins to expect a sixth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with six hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%
What is the % for 4th hit in 37 spins and 5th hit in 74 spins ? Thanks
Quote from: cht on Aug 03, 05:00 PM 2017
What is the % for 4th hit in 37 spins and 5th hit in 74 spins ? Thanks
I can make that test in a couple of days. On vacation right now.
Quote from: denzie on Aug 03, 12:04 PM 2017
Pogo....Thats Not how TG plays.
How many test you've done ?
In a cycle how many numbers do you think TurboGenius bets on Denzie?
A lot of tests, I have spent at least 10 times the hours on testing to what it took for me to read what TurboGenius posted and work this out.
I have a few thousand graphs that show this works, but won't be supplying them to the clueless or nay sayers just because they can't work it out. This works flat betting, but the use of a positive progression boosts the winnings on the really good cycles. TurboGenius talks about three cycles because if you lose on one, you will win on the other two making up for the occasional loss on a cycle.
TurboGenius has been very generous supplying the information he has supplied.
Pogo, have been trying lots of methods for hours on RX to get advantage of the 3th, 4th and 5th,repeaters, but my tests keep loosing in the long run, would you please be so king to explain to me how you tested his strategy to get positive results.
Thank you,
Quote from: Pogo on Aug 03, 08:13 PM 2017
This works flat betting,
Interesting.
I have done testing (using my recorded spins of actual wheels and airball wheels) on repeaters fairly extensively over the last few months (2-peaters becoming 3-peaters and 3-peaters becoming 4-peaters).
On some occasions, when the repeats tend to occur early on in a cycle, flat betting works. However, on most other occasions some negative progression is usually necessary.
On other threads, Denzie has similarly indicated that flat betting usually does not work for him and he has to use negative progressions to make profits.
Anyway, I will keep tinkering with repeaters to see if betting on repeaters can be made profitable using flat betting only.
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 03, 11:49 AM 2017
So Turbs is not wrong
No he is spot on, just amazing, but not surprising that he is the only one who has shared this. There is no way that others have not already discovered what he has, with the number of people that troll these forums.
Quote from: Pogo on Aug 04, 12:51 AM 2017
No he is spot on, just amazing, but not surprising that he is the only one who has shared this. There is no way that others have not already discovered what he has, with the number of people that troll these forums.
Hey pogo,
That is one of the reasons i brought this thread alive to everyone's attention. It would have been lost forever in the mass of garbage threads you see everywhere. You see, there are still good hearted people out there. TG is one of them.
I would strongly recommend to everyone serious about this game to save a copy of this method dor offline study.
Its not the method itself we are talking about, but the whole principle at hand.
And yes, i agree with you there are a lot of people that want this method silenced.
Simple rule: follow repeaters!
Merry Xmas 😀
Alex
Hi Pogo
That GUT paper tracker gives a perfect visual of the trot, from it you can see how the cold starting 37 non-hit numbers are behaving, how they behave indicates when and if its worth trying for a repeat.
To try for a repeat you'll need to have read and studied various methods, i've posted many charts in green that show this thing called the trot. I've even shown games in the ROTT topic, as all this game is, is about the starting larger group the non-hit, then non-hit v 1 hit and later non-hit v >1x = 0x,1x,>1x, its like this so called genius said to have a 2x you'll need a 1x, but where do the 1x come from, that large starting 37, learn how these 37 behave and your on a winner, no need for computers steve >:D
I'm sorry but there is no substantiating information to indicate Turbo's approach is anything but classic fallacy. Repeaters? Come on this is really old news.
I've explained it many times before, as have others. It is not being understood. You guys are wasting your time. Eventually you'll know this, and I know everyone needs to go through the natural course themselves, but if you are actually interested in the truth... then carefully read and try to understand my previous posts.
And Notto, I couldnt give a rat's pink ass if you or anyone didnt like the idea of computers. All I'm trying to do here is save people time and energy. This is all really old news.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 04, 02:39 AM 2017And Notto, I couldnt give a rat's pink ass if you or anyone didnt like the idea of computers. All I'm trying to do here is save people time and energy. This is all really old news.
Works both ways, but as you own the site i'll understand why i see the waffle so much.
Steve just had 61 spins on MPR, that i dont mind using, as if it is riggid just won 234 units
Heres the 1st 40 spins
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See steve,pogo how good countback is for showing the trot, end 23,1 so 14 non-hit came in the spins 11-40. As for repeats this is a good game, but nothing has gone R4, so the ? is how many R3 will come and need to be bet
I'm currently testing dozen repeats in 4 spins (microcosm of this topic) without a parallel stream, and so far there is no edge...
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Below are the most basic stats for this, showing the dozen responsible for the repeat, along with the spin number (in brackets):
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GENERAL
1 repeat 45%
2 repeats 52%
3 repeats 4%
Repeat 1 (same stats as Dozen Cycles)
Spin 2 33%
Spin 3 44%
Spin 4 23%
Repeat 2
Spin 3 11%
Spin 4 44%
No Repeat 45%
Repeat 3
Spin 4 4%
No Repeat 96%
REPEAT 1
Spin 2 33%
Spin 3 44%
Spin 4 23%
REPEAT 2
Repeat 1 = spin 2
Spin 3 33%
Spin 4 45%
No Repeat 22%
Repeat 1 = spin 3
Spin 4 66%
No Repeat 34%
Repeat 1 = spin 4
No Repeat 100%
Dozen 1, Spin 2…
1(3) 33%
1(4) 22%
2(4) 11%
3(4) 12%
No Repeat 22%
Dozen 1, Spin 3…
1(4) 32%
2(4) 17%
3(4) 17%
No Repeat 34%
REPEAT 3
Repeat 1 = spin 2
Spin 4 11%
No Repeat 89%
Repeat 1 = spin 3
No Repeat 100%
Repeat 1 = spin 2; Repeat 2 = spin 3
Spin 4 33%
No Repeat 67%
Repeat 1 = spin 2; Repeat 2 = spin 4
No Repeat 100%
HERE IS THE REST OF THE SPINS
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so as at spin 60 we could see 30.5 non-hit, we have had 23, so 7 more could show, and we see 6 came, spin 61 is the #22.
I've timed it for you steve 7:37 you could look over the bets, but its using avg, steve so avg is a waste of time i suppose.
The other 2 games of 60 spins where posted somewhere on this forum yesterday, so gone from 5472 units to 5932 units.
Study well students
Oh yeah steve like Maestro it froze at spin 55
Steve or anyone do you think these spins came from MPR, Pri +50
Whats the starting 10 spins 9/10
what could be the non-hit count at 39/40, 24 non-hit, gave 27, +3 so fast game, 8,+3, usual or avg would be 7,+2 in spins 11-20, 12,+2 spot on to avg for spins 21-30 and +3 at spin 40, just use your avg to hit and known Max to decide when to bet, as Alexander says, simples
Pri thanks for the tester
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Notto when you have a win rate above 1 and with a relevant amount of spins, I'll pay attention. I don't even know which account is yours
Steve i dont want you to pay attention to me, you have your way and i have mine, only problem i have is i play on FOBT as its more convient than travelling 40 odd miles to a B+M, This is why i find your MPR a good place to try out things.
I have been #1 with TTTKA some time back, but like the Guvnor( winkel) i had a reckless moment and just bet and bet, but as it is micky mouse it does not matter, the only place that does matter is in the BOOKIES on there fair rng.
Just now end 6011
off out now for xray of hands and feet, could be RA, see ya
WHERE there's a significant population bias, I think notto calls it "trot", falkor calls it "streams", this bias seems to carry through into the latter spins 'repeating' the earlier trot/streams.(based on notto few examples) IF this holds true over a larger sample size, then ... it's impressive.
There is no trot or stream. Just bad understanding of basic math and probability.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 04, 06:32 AM 2017
There is no trot or stream. Just bad understanding of basic math and probability.
You may be right. As in almost all cases when tested over large sample size it fails badly. Anyway, no harm to check it out.
I agree, but at least a lesson should be learned from each failure.
The main lesson learned from failures is to relate whatever 'idea' to the physical aspect of the wheel.
well it should be. But most people forget about the wheel, when actually its all about the wheel.
Quotewhen actually its all about the wheel
yeah...what about it..is just game of numbers...if wheel was octagon..would you do better...<and results are random>...
i do not think so
Here you go cht, the ones you requested:
In 37 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with four hits: 134963 / 270270
Percentage: 49%
In 74 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with five hits: 122565 / 135135
Percentage: 90%
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The above chart might be useful as a guide. Personally speaking, I would ignore everything Turbo has said relating to repeats and follow Notto's good advice. Then again, that's just one man's opinion!
p.s. Not sure why it uploaded the second half of the chart twice!
Good to see ya a round wiggy, how those woodpeckers up your way :lol:
anyway back from hospital and you can see had another couple of games on MPR, those 2 games gone from 6011 up to 6296, watching the invisible trot
Hello Nottophammer,
I am following you, I definitely think that this is the way to go, and have been testing for hours on RX, but I still dont get the results that you are getting on your test, pherhaps I am doing it wrong, could you please so kind to give me some guidance?
I am betting on 2`s to become 3`s, and 3`s to become 4`s and so on,for a total of 3 cycles (Also adding one chip to every winning number from the bets placed/ Positive progression), could you plase explainto me how you are testing the method?
Are you betting from the beggining for 1`s to become 2`s as well? or are you waiting for a certain number of spins until you get the first repeater.
Thank you Nottophammer,
romano0327
i'd rather not known about repeaters/hotties, as i like to bet non-hits, but sometime later i re-read GUT.
Now GUT is a good read, Winkel gave reference points13,25,37, these references show how 0x's have gone 1x's and maybe 2x's, to me its better to wait till 20 spins and then bet the 1x's to go 2x's, if it comes before 20th spin you wont have lost any units as you are waiting.
But now with more data in the average document posted with 500 games, it appears that a repeat comes more often,in the 1st 10 spins, ie, 9/10, more than 10/10 no repeat(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2017/08/04/temp_858544.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/BfWs)
so now if we start to bet the1x's you'll probably get a win, like in the earlier posted game today, here it is again
now if we start to bet the 1x's we'd have bet the 7,1x's for 28 units and win,+8. Now you drop the 1x's and just bet the 2x's, the #10 and any more that come, now this is where you need to keep an eye on the win value 36 the 35/1, the longer the 2'xs go without hitting for the third time, will get you nearer to a minus win total, but in this game we see the #10 is the only # being bet and wins. Again drop the others and just bet those that hit for a third time untill a win, again give thought to the win value, if it goes long you could increase the units on those being bet, just a thought. Again the #10 R3, win.
Now do you stop or carry on?
If you did you'd only be betting the #10 untill the #23 caught up, now making 2#'s to be bet, look what came next.
A lovely example, but it dont always go like this, so test on MPR, its free, but dont say its RNG not live spins or big steve will be after you.
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Now look this is how i play you see in grey countback, that is the 15.8 non-hit, that usuaally come in spins 11-40, the invisible trot that Steve and others can not see.
So if you go back to the reply with the posted sheet you'll see time Steve smilee face, you can see i waited costing nothing and bet 22 units as the 16th non-hit had missed its avg to hit and won. next you can see i've waited and bet 21 units to get the 17th non-hit and won. So thats me betting for non-hit, but the next bet is for repeats as watching the non-hits, hit fast, countback is showing they are to far a head and repeats are needed to slow the invisible trot down, so you see i bet the 21, non-hits that had come twice and won both bets, why did i stop, because they avg to hit in 3 spins, the non-hit after the 19th non-hit has come.
Its still watch the invisible trot and the 23rd is in and the trot is still fast, so i wait the 3 avg to hit spins, 1 spin 173, 2nd spin 127 and 3rd 69 times, the max is 17, spins, so 3 have gone and waited costing nothing to see if the 15 non-hit in spins 11-40 would hit, but we see its 23,so -1 on the 15. Now whats the avg for 60 spins, answer 30.5, so as 23 have come, i/you could see another 7 non-hit come, so at spin 41 i started to bet for the 24th non-hit, 7 spins in total and win. I bet 13 units for the remaining 13 and win as the repeats seemed to many, you can see it ended 28 in 60 spins, 5 of the 7 appeared, we also know that the 29th was spin 61 #22
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Countback bet for non-hit and repeats, what does LOTT say for 37 spins,23,24 or 25 is usual, countback shows 23rd could be here, but its showing its been fast, so to slow it,it needs
REPEATS
to see the above game go to KTF and look at the 61 spins tester you can see the repeats nice with priyankas tester. all 6 games are there
That was a very good explanation Nottophammer, I appreciate the time and the effort, I will start playing this way on RX, I already read GUT so thats a good thing, I will be posting my results to keep you updated.
By the way Nottophammer, for how long have you been playing this way? Has it survived the long run?
Quote from: romano0327 on Aug 04, 04:14 PM 2017
By the way Nottophammer, for how long have you been playing this way? Has it survived the long run?
Do you mean just watching the trot, to bet either non-hit or repeats.
Or Denzies and turbos betting for repeats/hotties
romano
When playing roulette, some will say rng in the bookies (licensed betting shop)is not roulette, but who cares. what they ask is what i'm doing, well the 1st ? is anything due, answer yes, all 37 #'s are now due, some look and think i'm mad, but i have to tell them to imagine a seesaw and 37 is touching the floor, so all the non-hit have to hit to get the 1 hits to the floor, to get the 1x's down the non-hit have to hit, so as they are the starting larger group, should they not hit most for X spins.
How do you work with X spins, know the averages for the non-hit to hit in.
My data says that up to the 19th non-hit, they avg to hit in 2 spins, then up to the 26th non-hit they avg to hit in 3 spins and up to the 30th non-hit is 4 spins, next is to know there max to hit.
Now if you accept 15.8 non-hit come in spins11-40, this is where countback comes into play.
Have you looked at reply 29 & 44 in, Are there really 37 possible outcomes? really good info. This is why countback is good at watching the trot that some deny is there, so this is why you need to study the trot of the non-hit, so a game is about 0x, 1x and >1x, it really is that simple, once you see how they come.
romano
Just started working on Jackpot 247 game for today, aired on sky tv early this morning, i tape every game and this is where the 500 games comes from, i also have avg data for rng from UK bookies.
Here we see why maybe betting the 1x's straight away is the way, as repeat in 1st 10 spins looks to happen more than 10 spins no repeat.
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countback added
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Quote from: Pogo on Aug 03, 08:13 PM 2017
In a cycle how many numbers do you think TurboGenius bets on Denzie?
As less as possible. If possible only one
TurboGenius has been very generous supplying the information he has supplied.
Yep
Quote from: Pogo on Aug 03, 08:13 PM 2017
This works flat betting
No it doesn't. Even TG pointed that out .
Quote from: probasah on Aug 04, 02:23 AM 2017
Simple rule: follow repeaters!
Yep :love:
Simple exercise. Bet all numbers that come up with a 1-2-4-8-16-32-.....Progression. Thats the basics.
Nottophammer I understand your point and it makes a lot of sense, everything is due at some point. Even if we dont know exactly when, we can still use the statistical information available that tells us when things are at least expected to happen. I do have a question, so the way to take advantage of this would be to wait for 20 spins and look at the non-hit, and start betting them and expect to hit one every two spins, is that correct?
Denzie, do you mean the 1x numbers? Or repeaters (2x) ? and after a hit do you continue to bet on the same numbers to hope for a 3x hit?
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So invisible trot is fast, the 15th non-hit could have come at spin 23/24, the next 10 spins is where topic WTF usually starts, read Celticknits replies.
Now you'd won with the #13 and would now be betting all R1's to go R2, gradually get more to bet, so R2 needs to come.
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Now you've won 26 units with #13.
But betting the non-hit the larger group you could now walk with +34 units, and now think about repeats, by betting all 15 non-hit that have come
Quote from: romano0327 on Aug 04, 12:27 PM 2017
have been testing for hours on RX
I am betting on 2`s to become 3`s, and 3`s to become 4`s and so on,for a total of 3 cycles (Also adding one chip to every winning number from the bets placed/ Positive progression
And what did you noticed? The further you go the harder it gets to come out winning?
Denzie, so basically what you mean is to bet numbers that have hit 2x with the progression 1-2-4-8-16-32 (If one of them hits and becomes a 3x, then bet 2 units on it, if it hits again and becomes a 4x then bet 4 units, and so following your progression).
Quote from: romano0327 on Aug 04, 05:53 PM 2017
Denzie, so basically what you mean is to bet numbers that have hit 2x with the progression 1-2-4-8-16-32 (If one of them hits and becomes a 3x, then bet 2 units on it, if it hits again and becomes a 4x then bet 4 units, and so following your progression).
Yes or start with 1 hit numbers. Iaw start after 1 spin. That's the basics . Resetting is the key. But again it's the basics. Now only need to know how to cut down numbers. 8)
Denzie for how many cycles ? or just reset when a high balanced is reached?
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Now we just said consider betting all 15 non-hit that have come, well you'd win. Now you see the 16th has missed its avg to hit, its 2 spins, you'd have to decide if you'd bet. But its in, so non-hit are still hitting fast, 17th & 18th hit to their avg.
So we see 18th is fast, to stop this fast trot the repeats need to happen, the repeats come,the trot is level.
We can see hotties have gone R2 the #13 again, so now just bet all R2's.
What if spins 21-30 where our spins 1-10, be just like the starting 10 spins.
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So you can see thru countback the non-hit had to slow, so you'd go for repeats.
Somebody mentioned 3 cycles, cant remember what reply it was.
now before you get carried away on hotties work out how many units you'd have laid on the appearing R1's, be more than 36 units
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Yes or start with 1 hit numbers. Iaw start after 1 spin. That's the basics . Resetting is the key. But again it's the basics. Now only need to know how to cut down numbers. 8) so is turbo/denzie going to tell romano
Nottophammer correct me if I am wrong, your method of play will switch between non-hit and repeaters depending on the trot. I just got a little bit confused since the whole thread started with 2x repeaters, and your method also takes non-hit into consideration.
The 40 pins ended 21,-2.
Look when 19th came, whats avg for the 20th to hit in, 3 spins. 21st was in its avg. what will the 22nd do?
Now this is the bit, avg for 60 spins is 30.5 spins, so we'll say 30 non-hit, that means potentially theres 9 more non-hit to show in next 20 spins, well lets see.
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I have said in many posts i play for both using countback and avg
Winkle and turbo two different things. While winkle preferred to bet 0 hit but turbo saying no point bcz it might be a long term sleeper. But both have done excellent work in their own way.
Yes I see that, both are the greatest ideas I have seen so far after understanding the logic behind them, I its nice two have more than one card under the sleeve.
well we got the 30 non-hit in 60 spins.
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If you can KEEP THE FAITH then theres oppotunities to take profit by just betting non-hit, Winkel said to me you have found away to bet,but thats another level, or words to that effect, in the GUT topic, but he said be carefull.
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Was it cht said learn form mistakes, so you can see if you can read this so called invisible trot, then you bet either.
Yes Madi great respect for Winkel, if only he could have gone to the next level, but tossers denied him the chance, our loss.
Hope you are well Winkel,
Heres the other spins, 80 in total, oh yeah this is airball
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Quote from: winkel on May 28, 01:12 PM 2015
Hi nottop,
thats what I´ve always told: watch the crossings and watch what ist going on. If a crossing comes up and you don´t trust it, the next idea is to bet the other chance.
I never had a chance to explain this to this point, because of too many enemies. But as you found by yourself: This ist the chance to bet nearly every spin, if you can detect, what is going on.
BUT: You have to be aware: There is no automatism in it. You can be wrong, Your ability to make the right decisions might be missing. So learn to stop the game. Learn to jump to another sequence and so on.
br
winkel
So whats he saying bet the repeats not the non-hit, learn the LOL, invisible trot, chance to bet either way, by what the trot is telling you, better still countback.
Thank you WINKEL, you r the top man :thumbsup:
Thats the advanced stage what u r playing notto and winkle didnt reveal much about that. Like the trot moving as wave.
Denzie are you doing well with the progression 1 2 4 8 16 32 on the repeats, moving to the next bet every time one hits?
Quote from: Madi on Aug 04, 07:48 PM 2017
Thats the advanced stage what u r playing notto and winkle didnt reveal much about that. Like the trot moving as wave.
Then i recommend everyone studies 37 spin cycles, so that they see this invisible wave that according to some is not there, Madi you know how trot flows, so betting either 0X or 1x is available.
Like this as its posted 9/1/2014, so no bullshit :thumbsup:
Quote from: Azim on Jan 09, 05:35 AM 2014
Here I have a test run to show you what I meant when I said looking at the same numbers in different ways:
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Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 05, 02:40 AM 2017
Then i recommend everyone studies 37 spin cycles, so that they see this invisible wave that according to some is not there, Madi you know how trot flows, so betting either 0X or 1x is available.
I'll recommend to see this 'invisible wave' from the physical perspective of the wheel. Nicksmi posted a nice excel worksheet on the other thread, it's very helpful for checking things out. Thanks Nicksmi. And thanks notto for the pointers.
So heres the 1st 10 spins, countback is shown, what the invisible trot could show as.
If we are betting Hotties, we're getting in bit of a hole
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What is the larger group doing, what it should do hit fast, hotties getting deeper
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The ? is when or what profit do you take betting the 37 starting non-hit
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Now look where that 14th non-hit came, where it could have come spin 17/18, so fast, look at 13th spin, what is GUT reference. So repeat is now on the cards, the ? is when, so knowing the avg to hit for non-hit and their maximum spin to hit would be of big help, so watch the countback for position
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So fast game
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The hottie is in #35 and theres another to bet the #26, how much are hotties down? as non-hit are fast.
With countback showing 18th is way in to fast, it could have come spins 25/26, wouldn't you now be thinking repeats must start to happen, WFT time?
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Sill fast, upto the 19th non-hit they avg to hit in 2 spins we see they behaved as they should.
So will the hotties be out of the hole off -69 units, have they not just bet another 18 units of what value, 2 or even 5 unit bets
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With ref point 37 already hit, the repeats must come now, but will the #35 be hot, hot, all the R1's could come R2 before one goes R3
think some more Green charts needed Mr Taotie
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Guys, and girls
I will try to help you out. Call me a good Samaritan. Found this by accident, and after years of researches. It`s all about the Bet selection.
Money Management
Forget about magic progressions. They do not exist. Only Flat Bet works.
Forget Stop loses. Reset point and abort positions. They do not work.
Bet selection
Forget dozens, EC, corner, splits etc and all that crap. They do not work.
Bet numbers only. Follow repeaters.
You will know that you are on the right path when you will get +400 to +1600 at the end of a 25,000 spin session. Draw downs of (-400). Flat Bet.
All those that have found the solution can confirm what i said above. Lets cut all the crap and help each other out.
Hope this helps.
Alex
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These spins from Azim in Holy Grail by Winkel
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If you can KTF :smile:
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Here is 111 of the 163 he posted
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would you still be playing on this wheel after spin 13, i'd move to another or let some spins go by
@ probash
Can be done with repeater but will be slow. +400 for thousand of spin does it worth?
Quote from: probasah on Aug 03, 07:11 AM 2017
Yes, pogo, you are right. I a wrong.
Attached 18 series of 5000 spins to confirm it.
Alex
What I see on those charts is pretty much what I get. Although I don't flatbet. If it rises keep going. If it goes down and (almost) recovers reset. :thumbsup:
My positive progression makes minimum 10 times more profit though
Quote from: denzie on Aug 05, 05:31 AM 2017
What I see on those charts is pretty much what I get. Although I don't flatbet. If it rises keep going. If it goes down and (almost) recovers reset. :thumbsup:
My positive progression makes minimum 10 times more profit though
Denzie,
Those graphs were using a mild progression.
I since then found a way to flat bet.
Certainly it works either way but the risk is too big for me to use even the mildest progression.
I am not talking BS guys, seriously i want to help you. Thats why i reopened this discussion from February. Don't get side tracked by winkels method gut. Im not saying it doesnt work, just dont go side tracked.
Follow Turbogenius instructions and tou will see it.
Also, flat bet. It is the best indicator to see if your bet selection really works. If flat bet fails, go back and rethik the bet selection.
Alex
Quote from: Madi on Aug 05, 05:01 AM 2017
@ probash
Can be done with repeater but will be slow. +400 for thousand of spin does it worth?
Hey Madi
It most certainly is!
I have not simulated it with positive progressions on a larger scale(1,000,000 spins).
Its just a matter of perspective. I was interested in the flatbetting bet selection, not on profit.
Regards
Alex
repeated post.
Probasah, I have found that with the progression it almost always end up in profit, how ever you need a a pretty big bank roll, how many units are you using per numer for flat bet? Since the start. Do you start with the 1x numbers, or 2x numbers?
Quote from: romano0327 on Aug 05, 07:36 AM 2017
Probasah, I have found that with the progression it almost always end up in profit, how ever you need a a pretty big bank roll, how many units are you using per numer for flat bet? Since the start. Do you start with the 1x numbers, or 2x numbers?
1 unit only. All progressions fail if the bet selection is faulty. Its just mathematics. Test your bet selection with flat bets only. That is the only way.
Alex
I know its difficult to get it as i have struggled with the same frustrations in the past. We are looking for "magical" money progressions using really crappy bet selections. It does not win like that.But once you get it, you get it!
Start with a bet that wins flat bet and then and only then think about progressions( to get more money/ invested spins)
Stop following threads with EC dozens splits and corners they do not work. Do not read Money management BS topics. All progressions fail if the bet selection is a failure.
The bet selection includes individual numbers.
Alex
Alex, I did try that many times yersterday but it kept on failing, every session I tried was for a cycle of 37 spins, betting 2x numbers to become 3x numbers, almost every session gets to a point where there is to many 2x numbers and one hit will not recover. Are you betting for 2x to become 3x ?
Quote from: romano0327 on Aug 05, 07:55 AM 2017
Alex, I did try that many times yersterday but it kept on failing, every session I tried was for a cycle of 37 spins, betting 2x numbers to become 3x numbers, almost every session gets to a point where there is to many 2x numbers and one hit will not recover. Are you betting for 2x to become 3x ?
Your answer in in your question. I said it before. Try out your bet selection flat betting. If it wins, than that is your answer. If not, than that is also your answer.
Read careful what turbo said and done. Bet repeaters? Yes? Bet 1x's? NO! Bet non hits? DEFINITELY NO! What then? Test it out man, its on a silver plate!
Alex
Thank you Alex, I have also tried 3x numbers to become 4x in a 37 cycle, however the statistics of getting a 4x number in a 37 cycle are only of 49%, that means that 51 cycles will fail, so I dont think that 49 wins could make up for the losses.
Alex I also found that if it works flat bet then it would only be possible for it to work in short cycles, te more spins the more new repeaters would have to be bet and a win would not make up for the amount of chips bet in the previous spins. Do you play flat bet for a 37 spin cycle and then reset?
@probash
In that case i think u cant play all the time. Need to play in specific position only.
Looking from your replies, its obvious you will get it eventually. You are asking the right questions. Just follow the guidance from turbo and you will eventually reach there.
Please understand that i can not reveal more than i already have, as we are not alone in here. The only thing i can do is tell you what works and give you a direction.
I hope you all get the solution, you have all the data in here. Just remember when you do get the "Evrika!" moment, you owe me a beer and to turbogenius, eternal gratitude.😀😀😀
Alex
Quote from: romano0327 on Aug 05, 08:24 AM 2017
Alex I also found that if it works flat bet then it would only be possible for it to work in short cycles, te more spins the more new repeaters would have to be bet and a win would not make up for the amount of chips bet in the previous spins. Do you play flat bet for a 37 spin cycle and then reset?
No. Definately you need to use the 37 spin cycles to start with. You are not restricted afterwards by anything else. Do not put hurdles in front of you.
Alex
Quote from: Madi on Aug 05, 08:37 AM 2017
@probash
In that case i think u cant play all the time. Need to play in specific position only.
Your assumption is very correct, Madi!
Alex
QuotePlease understand that i can not reveal more than i already have, as we are not alone in here
why...do you think casinos will close just because numbers repeat...lol...wake up and smell the cofffffeee..
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Guys, has anyone tried out Nickmsi spreadsheet? Take a look if you have not, extend it beyond 37.
Quote from: maestro on Aug 05, 09:01 AM 2017
why...do you think casinos will close just because numbers repeat...lol...wake up and smell the cofffffeee..
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=S_JgYXp9_UU (link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=S_JgYXp9_UU)
Most definately they won't, maestro! They will continue to prosper as its a proportion ratio.
There will be more people that play their birthday number ready to fill up the casino's bank accounts than there are winners. But to think about ut for a second, i am surely not the first one to get the solution, how come no one before turbogenius shared this in public?
How about the other lies like Progressions and side bets Bullshit we see in all forums?
Where there is a will there is a way. You have all info you need in this thread to arrive at resolution.
Alex
Alex thank you very much for your help, I am very greatfull, I just quite did not follow your last reply well, did you mean that once I start flatbetting for numbers to hit a 3x I should only do it for a 37 numbet cycle then if I lost reset( take the loss) and If I won reset as well, or should I move pass the 37 number cycle until in profit.
I send you a pm Alex, I am testing hardly on RX.
Quote from: romano0327 on Aug 05, 09:20 AM 2017
Alex thank you very much for your help, I am very greatfull, I just quite did not follow your last reply well, did you mean that once I start flatbetting for numbers to hit a 3x I should only do it for a 37 numbet cycle then if I lost reset( take the loss) and If I won reset as well, or should I move pass the 37 number cycle until in profit.
There are no resets as you see it. The bets keep going on. You will always be in profit flat betting as your bet selection is correct. Stop making reset checkpoints (if/else) on the current bankroll.the money will rise naturally.
Alex
I think I got it Alex, I sent you a pm, could you correct me if I am wrong.
QuoteYou have all info you need in this thread to arrive at resolution
i need no info nor resolution..need whisky over 25 years and rock music :thumbsup:
Quote from: maestro on Aug 05, 09:50 AM 2017
i need no info nor resolution..need whisky over 25 years and rock music :thumbsup:
And some hot chicks :thumbsup:
Quote from: probasah on Aug 05, 09:18 AM 2017
How about the other lies like Progressions and side bets Bullshit we see in all forums?
Alex
It's a path we all walk(ed) on :)
Hi Probasah
I have a question like what amount of spins you tested such an approach.
Edge is not big, playing a flat rate, we can not make a mistake because one hit can cost us a daily profit.
I'm curious how many thousands of spins you have simulated to achieve an average profit.
I used to play from 2 repetitions, after 3 hit and play only 3 repeaters and ended up session with 8 time hit. It reduced the number of numbers played.
My tests were not long and maybe I did not see the edge.
Quote from: ozon on Aug 05, 12:13 PM 2017
Hi Probasah
I have a question like what amount of spins you tested such an approach.
Edge is not big, playing a flat rate, we can not make a mistake because one hit can cost us a daily profit.
I'm curious how many thousands of spins you have simulated to achieve an average profit.
I used to play from 2 repetitions, after 3 hit and play only 3 repeaters and ended up session with 8 time hit. It reduced the number of numbers played.
My tests were not long and maybe I did not see the edge.
Hi ozone,
Tested for 40 sessions x 25,000 spins for a total of 1 million random.org samples ( 10 days x 100k to collect them ) :)
Flat betting. i did not see the point in going above that but i do not mind testing it for any number of spins any time.
Do not ask if the bet selection is good or not. Test your bet flat betting and you will get the answer for your self. If it does not win flat bet, it doesn`t win at all and all you have is just wishful thinking.
Do not lose hope.
Alex
Quote from: denzie on Aug 05, 10:28 AM 2017
It's a path we all walk(ed) on :)
It took me only 7 years to break those mirrors, denzie. Now here you have it, in plain sight.
Your description fits exactly my vision.
Happy winnings
Alex
I do not give up hope.
I have very little time to test.
I live in Poland since the beginning of July my government has ban gambling online .
I can not use almost any online casinos.
To play I have to move to the UK.
In order to move and play, I would have to have an effective method of playing.
Even here on the forums posting about sharing a profit for something interesting.
I know its a very long path, with many fails and time lost testing many methods, but finally we see a light, Alex could you please check my last message, I sent to your inbox, thanks.
Here are some graphs guys,
As you can see the samples are 26,000 samples x 8.
It includes one that is up/down +/-400 but that one is very very rare :)
No Bullshit, those are real graphs using random.org samples.
All is flat bet.
Alex
Quote from: ozon on Aug 05, 02:10 PM 2017
I live in Poland since the beginning of July my government has ban gambling online .
I can not use almost any online casinos.
To play I have to move to the UK.
After Brexit, will the UK government allow you to move there ?
Just so that you can play roulette ?
Quote from: romano0327 on Aug 05, 02:15 PM 2017
I know its a very long path, with many fails and time lost testing many methods, but finally we see a light, Alex could you please check my last message, I sent to your inbox, thanks.
Read your inbox:)
Alex
Guys, this was my gift for you all.
Once you get your bet selection, please do not share it in any open forum. Here or elsewhere.
To all that still search it:
Never lose hope!
DoktorSudoku
Brexit has not changed anything , my friends are still working there, and new they go to work there. Poland is a member of the EU, I have no problems with getting a right of residence.
It's not too difficult to figure this one out. Boils down to 1. what type to bet, example 0x, 1x, 2x and so on, 2. what to bet - betselection means you don't bet all the possible numbers you have to be selective, and 3. timing - when to start betting.
It's right there, shown by the spins, I mean the current spins of whatever roulette wheel in front of you, look hard at it. That's it.
Today is my off-day, so I took time to figure out what this thread is all about.
Probasah has literally given everything you need to know. Nicksmi coded the spreadsheet with random data on F9 key for testing. You can load real live data. Wiggy has posted the distribution and celescliff has provided the statistical expectation. Just do the testing work to SEE the current random or live spin play out in front of your eyes. Stick with 3(min) - 6(max) - you should be able to figure that 3 stuff out, not rocket science. Good luck.
PS. Thanks probasah for bumping this thread.
Thanks to all people that were willing to help and showed no greed in helping others, turbo G, Alex, Denzie, etc...We owe them gratitude, if any of you guys is ever up for a beer, count me in :thumbsup:
I know your search for a winning system will end today for many of you.
I only wish you well and please do good with the money that you will win helping others as we have done for you.
Regards,
Alex
Lastly, winkel, vaddis grail and turbo is all one and the same thing. They look at the spins at different stages as it unveils itself. If you see it that way, then you're on the right track
Which is better ?
It boils down to the payout vs risk. The model with the best payout vs lowest risk is obviously the best, that makes that creator the real genious. If you know who's that, then you've fully understood this thread.
No matter, thanks to all those great guys and others who posted nuggets that helped along the way. Thank you.
And lastly, remember always to stay under the radar, don't want to tip off the floor manager. Use pen and paper for tracking, blend in with the crowd, bet at the manual tables, limit your bet size, always put on a losers face. Good luck.
I tested it on dozens in 4 spins, and that failed*, so it's not going to work for numbers in 37 spins either. Therefore, a parallel stream must be required, hence the reason why rrbb suggested number positions in the "outside the box" topic. Either that or you are some rumored variance avoidance master, in which case you can you look for hidden waves in Red/Black - no need to bet on repeats for that.
*I am still testing another way that might work, which involves playing more "against" the repeats, and missing out certain spins in different situations, or deciding whether to play a follow up bet or not. There may be some edge here, but it's certainly not enough to beat the house edge when playing dozens.
Quote from: probasah on Aug 05, 03:09 PM 2017
I know your search for a winning system will end today for many of you.
Regards,
Alex
Alex,
Yes, thank you for making that happen.
Steve can shut down this forum and vlsroulette. Victor can shut down betselection.cc. Kav can shut down x.
Am I leaving out anyone else?
August 5, 2017 -- it will go down in human history as the day that all roulette forums became redundant.
CHT,
Well it has to be TG since he uses the lowest numbers and the highest progression.
but are all of you playing the same way? Cht, you say min 3 max 6, but some starts with one number. Alex you have tested a lot of cycles where do you start? with one number?the biggest question is still how to select the 3-6 numbers what do you do when you have 9 x2 numbers in the first cycle?
also does anyone know what the best progression is? +1 or 1-2-4-etc or 1-5-25
if anyone would care to share, it would be much appreciated.
PS I get profit with flatbeting but have only tested 50 cycles. would love to improve the big dd
Quote from: 777 on Aug 05, 03:47 PM 2017
also does anyone know what the best progression is? +1 or 1-2-4-etc or 1-5-25
777, forget the progressions. Let them go. I know its difficult (we all have been there)
Use flat bet only.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: 777 on Aug 05, 03:47 PM 2017
CHT,
Well it has to be TG since he uses the lowest numbers and the highest progression.
but are all of you playing the same way?
No. There's winkel, vaddis grail, tg, notto, denzie, probasah......your choice based on your risk appetite.
Cht, you say min 3 max 6, but some starts with one number. Alex you have tested a lot of cycles where do you start? with one number?the biggest question is still how to select the 3-6 numbers what do you do when you have 9 x2 numbers in the first cycle?
Betselection. Look at the roulette wheel.
also does anyone know what the best progression is? +1 or 1-2-4-etc or 1-5-25
As probasah stated many times, flat bet. If you don't see profit, go back to betselection.
if anyone would care to share, it would be much appreciated.
PS I get profit with flatbeting but have only tested 50 cycles. would love to improve the big dd
If you experience big dd, go back to betselection.
thanx for the replies Cht and Alex.
I have +485 units in 50 Cycles. Flat bet. this is by only betting first cycle. biggest dd -124 on one cycle.
em i too lucky or do i have the right selection?
Good evening, all
It was my pleasure to help you out. It is kind of funny as it all started with something to get my mind occupied and some coding background. I tested 100+ methods in the past. All failures. I was thinking that its so funny to see so many failures, all complicated methods to reach the same result. Like David against Goliath.
I persevered. Sleepless nights coding, reading, testing. And then it struck me. :) What if.... and it finally worked.
If i know one thing is this life is that i made a couple of people happy tonight. And gave them hope. That to me is priceless.
To all that are new to this approach..
Please do not buy any systems online or roulette computers as they are worthless.
They are only after your money.
All you need to know is in this thread. Save it offline for further use. as it can be deleted.
I want to know where all the AP gurus are hiding now? Where are all the system salers now. What are they doing now?
Never mind them.
Like Shakespeare used to say... The rest is silence.
With all my love and sincerity,
Alex
Quote from: 777 on Aug 05, 04:16 PM 2017
thanx for the replies Cht and Alex.
I have +485 units in 50 Cycles. Flat bet. this is by only betting first cycle. biggest dd -124 on one cycle.
em i too lucky or do i have the right selection?
You're on the right track. Improve your betselection, you'll get a lot luckier.
.
Alex, I sent you a Pm.
Quote from: probasah on Aug 05, 04:19 PM 2017
Good evening, all
It was my pleasure to help you out. It is kind of funny as it all started with something to get my mind occupied and some coding background. I tested 100+ methods in the past. All failures. I was thinking that its so funny to see so many failures, all complicated methods to reach the same result. Like David against Goliath.
I persevered. Sleepless nights coding, reading, testing. And then it struck me. :) What if.... and it finally worked.
If i know one thing is this life is that i made a couple of people happy tonight. And gave them hope. That to me is priceless.
To all that are new to this approach..
Please do not buy any systems online or roulette computers as they are worthless.
They are only after your money.
All you need to know is in this thread. Save it offline for further use. as it can be deleted.
I want to know where all the AP gurus are hiding now? Where are all the system salers now. What are they doing now?
Never mind them.
Like Shakespeare used to say... The rest is silence.
With all my love and sincerity,
Alex
The advantage lies with the coders. We're able to build models to accurately test them. And do that fast and repeatedly.
To some extent, I believe this has to do with the physical aspects of the wheel, there's some connection not some out and out system without any possible cause behind it aithough Idk what that is or how to explain it.
Quote from: cht on Aug 05, 04:50 PM 2017
The advantage lies with the coders. We're able to build models to accurately test them. And do that fast and repeatedly.
To some extent, I believe this has to do with the physical aspects of the wheel, there's some connection not some out and out system without any possible cause behind it aithough Idk what that is or how to explain it.
cht, for the last 3 days i am a zombie. I am testing the method extensively to see to find faults. There is none. My 5 year old kid told me today, daddy you look like an old man . "old!" :)
Funny thing life is.. memories flow through..
Then it all comes back like a river ...
All those years i was looking in the wrong direction. Maybe a lot of system creators were not aware of the faults with progressions and side bets and useless patterns. Its not their fault, i dont have anything with them.
I do however have everything against all the scammers and system sellers and roulette computer experts that have played the card of deceit for so many years.
They exploited the others for money benefits. That is absolutely intolerable to me.
Where are they now? WHERE ARE YOU? All the gurus and experts, where are you now? Come here and defend yourself. You can`t because you were all liars! Shame with you all.
I look in the mirror now and i am so proud of what i have done.
Believe me or not i really did not start this to get rich. My income is more than enough through my day job. To support a family, etc.
I have done coding in the past for unknown people all over the world. all for free, as it was good enough for me to think someone is thinking good about me.
Today i give you all the good news: flat bet works, winning on the long run works. all info is right here in this thread.
I know already 4 people already that have seen it. im sure more of them are already smiling out there in the world.
Remember what you have is yours to keep. Remember to help others as you have been helped.
Wish you all the best,
Alex
Alex, I exceed the pm, its 5 per hour, I havent been able to reply...
Quote from: romano0327 on Aug 05, 05:32 PM 2017
Alex, I exceed the pm, its 5 per hour, I havent been able to reply...
Guys, for all that want to contact me my email is probasah@gmail.com. Im not there 24 hours ,its past midnight now. The PM is full already :)
Alex
Yea, you've done a good job on this thread. If not for you, I'm not aware about it, I don't read threads btw, at most the 1st few post to get an idea.
Your promptings got interested me to spend some time today to look at it in detail, your summary of posts was a good thing that saved me time to readup the entire thread.
Anyway, all the info is here. I'm sure some others who gone through this thread gets it, just that they didn't post comments, know that they're thanking you.
Quote from: cht on Aug 05, 09:09 AM 2017
Guys, has anyone tried out Nickmsi spreadsheet? Take a look if you have not, extend it beyond 37.
What spreedsheet exactly? I dint find any here by nickmsi, on this topic.
Quote from: vladir on Aug 05, 05:49 PM 2017
What spreedsheet exactly? I dint find any here by nickmsi, on this topic.
Post#42 - Outside the box - "Let's try again"
thread. Random numbers, hits, repeaters, expected value and variance for 37spins - it can be expanded.
I know someone's inbox gonna go kabooooom :twisted:
Quote from: 777 on Aug 05, 03:47 PM 2017
the biggest question is still how to select the 3-6 numbers
Now that's just easy ..... But You might wanna step outside that 37 spins :P
G'Day Pogo, can we chat via PM?
@ probash
Done a little exp. it might not be suitable for the field condition as the growth is too slow. For $100 sometime need to play more than 1000 spin. But for experiment ya it shows positive result. Ur graph also show the same thing.
Quote from: denzie on Aug 05, 06:42 PM 2017
Now that's just easy ..... But You might wanna step outside that 37 spins :P
Hi Denzie :)
Long time no see :wink:
yes i know the profits boost in cycle 2-3 when the hottie keeps hitting but how to improve the bet selection. you dont want to be betting 10 numbers do you? So how to pick the right 5-6 ones?
Probasar (peculiar name), you said:
QuoteI do however have everything against all the scammers and system sellers and roulette computer experts that have played the card of deceit for so many years.
They exploited the others for money benefits. That is absolutely intolerable to me.
Where are they now? WHERE ARE YOU? All the gurus and experts, where are you now? Come here and defend yourself. You can`t because you were all liars! Shame with you all.
QuotePlease do not buy any systems online or roulette computers as they are worthless.
They are only after your money. I want to know where all the AP gurus are hiding now? Where are all the system salers now. What are they doing now?
1. Exactly what experience do you have with roulette advantage play?
2. Why do you think casinos call it "advantage play"?
You've advised people to use flat bets, and to increase the accuracy of predictions. So far so good. Then you said to do this with turbo's method. Some problems:
- Turbos bet selection relates to hot numbers and he uses strong progression
- Turbo says his method works thanks to random
It doesnt seem you even know what turbos claims are. He's saying he doesnt change the odds, and he wins because of unpredictability and different size bets each with the same odds and spins are connected but not connected. I mean, if you understand the contradictions... really.
You tell people to increase accuracy of predictions, but dont do it with the only viable and proven methods. I mean really?
Further points:
1. Roulette computers can get single number hit rates of 1 in 12 on modern wheels. Im not so sure thats "worthless". Random is 1 in 37.
2. Ive defended basic facts for many years. The basic facts of roulette AP are "really basic". Only uneducated people claim otherwise. And for people that need to see for themelves, I do public demos on any wheel, and offer free trials. Nothing beats testing for yourself.
3. Theres ample proof AP actually does work and considered a real threat. Only and uneducated person claims otherwise.
4. I have no interest to censor anything about yours, turbos or any claimed winning system provided it isnt being used to scam people. This thread isnt going anywhere.
5. Ill be very clear on this point:
I dont give a crap about what you or anyones opinions are of my technology or AP. But I do give a crap about being called a liar or dishonest. And I do give a crap about utter bullshit, and correcting it.Before opening your mouth accusing others of dishonesty, be sure you have an idea of what youre talking about. But i suspect your motives are not so pure.
You are encouraging people to contact you privately via email and pm. This is actually against the rules if you are selling anything. Why? Because thats what scammers do, to avoid public scrutiny from more experienced members.
If you have something to sell, do it openly so experienced people can help buyers make an informed decision.
Probasar, I suspect you are here trying to sell something in private. I suspect you of gearing up to scam people. Im not accusing you, I just suspect it because youre following similar patterns that lead to people asking to pay for for the "secret". And anyone discussing purchasing anything from you should be very careful.
@steve
What is ur saying about his graph that uses flat bet and rising up with big number of spin? He is using one important part of turbos method with flat bet not the full turbos method.definitely inspired by tg method but not using progression. Many people saying progression doent work if flat bet doesnt work. He is showing this it work with flat as well.
ps probasah, Im interested in the truth. I dont care if its not convenient, or complicated. I dont care if it makes me look like i previously had no idea.
I believe things because of facts and supporting information. I am not bound to my understanding. Understanding changes. Its nothing to do with pride or ego either, or profit. I just care about the truth.
We can all be wrong from time to time. I dont believe in fairies because I dont know of anything that proves they exist. Same reason for believing repeaters are nonsense.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 06, 05:56 AM 2017
Probasar (peculiar name), you said:
1. Exactly what experience do you have with roulette advantage play?
2. Why do you think casinos call it "advantage play"?
You've advised people to use flat bets, and to increase the accuracy of predictions. So far so good. Then you said to do this with turbo's method. Some problems:
- Turbos bet selection relates to hot numbers and he uses strong progression
- Turbo says his method works thanks to random
It doesnt seem you even know what turbos claims are. He's saying he doesnt change the odds, and he wins because of unpredictability and different size bets each with the same odds and spins are connected but not connected. I mean, if you understand the contradictions... really.
You tell people to increase accuracy of predictions, but dont do it with the only viable and proven methods. I mean really?
Further points:
1. Roulette computers can get single number hit rates of 1 in 12 on modern wheels. Im not so sure thats "worthless". Random is 1 in 37.
2. Ive defended basic facts for many years. The basic facts of roulette AP are "really basic". Only uneducated people claim otherwise. And for people that need to see for themelves, I do public demos on any wheel, and offer free trials. Nothing beats testing for yourself.
3. Theres ample proof AP actually does work and considered a real threat. Only and uneducated person claims otherwise.
4. I have no interest to censor anything about yours, turbos or any claimed winning system provided it isnt being used to scam people. This thread isnt going anywhere.
5. Ill be very clear on this point: I dont give a crap about what you or anyones opinions are of my technology or AP. But I do give a crap about being called a liar or dishonest. And I do give a crap about utter bullshit, and correcting it.
Before opening your mouth accusing others of dishonesty, be sure you have an idea of what youre talking about. But i suspect your motives are not so pure.
You are encouraging people to contact you privately via email and pm. This is actually against the rules if you are selling anything. Why? Because thats what scammers do, to avoid public scrutiny from more experienced members.
If you have something to sell, do it openly so experienced people can help buyers make an informed decision.
Probasar, I suspect you are here trying to sell something in private. I suspect you of gearing up to scam people. Im not accusing you, I just suspect it because youre following similar patterns that lead to people asking to pay for for the "secret". And anyone discussing purchasing anything from you should be very careful.
Hi Steve
Once and for all i am nor selling anything to anyone, man. All of the persons i talked with can testify this. I am against the fraud and the bullshit that has been propagated everywhere online. I hate casinos and scammers.
You have to do your homework and get the system. I will not tell you step by step the rules.They are simple. It works. 25 million spins and going. What do you want more?
I know its your website steve and you can do anything you like with it. You can even delete this thread, but probably you don't get it or you did and try to play dead.
God is my witness i am just helping out others.
I have several confirmation and thank you emails in my inbox.
I seriously dont give a rats arse if you believe me or not. You don't have to take my word for it.
Maybe its for the best if you delete this alltogether
Im sick and tired to have people throwing rocks at me for nothing.
For all those that found the solution, please keep it for yourselves. The army of ignorant zombies will not see it anyway.
Alex
Quote from: Madi on Aug 06, 06:18 AM 2017
@steve
What is ur saying about his graph that uses flat bet and rising up with big number of spin? He is using one important part of turbos method with flat bet not the full turbos method.definitely inspired by tg method but not using progression. Many people saying progression doent work if flat bet doesnt work. He is showing this it work with flat as well.
If theres a bet selection method that changes the odds, good and use it. Turbo has specifically said his system works because spins are random, and his system doesnt change odds.
probasar then if you are legit, do your thing. Again I only care about the truth.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 06, 06:19 AM 2017
ps probasah, Im interested in the truth. I dont care if its not convenient, or complicated. I dont care if it makes me look like i previously had no idea.
I believe things because of facts and supporting information. I am not bound to my understanding. Understanding changes. Its nothing to do with pride or ego either, or profit. I just care about the truth.
We can all be wrong from time to time. I dont believe in fairies because I dont know of anything that proves they exist. Same reason for believing repeaters are nonsense.
Steve
The truth is:
Flat betting works
The bet selection that wins roulette is using numbers
Repeating numbers
All the rest is bullshit in a form or another. Tons and tons of bullshit about EC,dozens,splits,lines, progressions, patterns and all. ALL BIG FAT LIES.
That is all. How many times do i need to repeat that?
Alex
I think probasah is legit. He's been around a while now. And he's good with computers which could result in finding a method that works. After all coding beats a lifetime testing with pen and paper.
Like someone said.....It's all the same....Repeaters, non hits , ktf , gut....It uses the same stuff each on there own way.
Just like probasah ain't playing as TG at all. But he does got the idea for it. Just as there is more than one way to play a certain idea.
And Steve you might not believe it but there are people who successfully coded it. And if you run million of stats you do see that random has limits. Which of course play in our advantage. Ooooh I said advantage.
QuoteIm sick and tired to have people throwing rocks at me for nothing.
Expect that when you say you can do something others cant. Healthy skeptiscm is fine and justified. Throwing mud is petty and pathetic.
QuoteI know its your website steve and you can do anything you like with it. You can even delete this thread, but probably you don't get it or you did and try to play dead.
There is no censorship here. Except for spam and some exceptional cases. We do even less moderation than forums that claim to be uncensored. Just because im admin is no reason to hold back what you think. I understand being an admin doesnt put me above anyone. All mods and i do is try protect balance to allow free speech but without blatant crap/scamming
Anyway lets get this thread back on track. If you are sincerely helping people, please continue.
Betting on repeats doesn't work. They simply stabalise stats. You need a parallel stream to gain edge. See this quote from reddwarf:
Quote from: reddwarf on Feb 10, 05:53 AM 2012I found it a really tough journey to free myself from the black hole of "waiting for an event to happen" for example: you can try to bet on repeats, but this is nothing more than a guessing game (hence a loosing proposition); not that repeats can not be used...
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 06, 06:45 AM 2017
Betting on repeats doesn't work. They simply stabalise stats. You need a parallel stream to gain edge. See this quote from reddwarf:
Falkor, you have not seen it. I have. So did a lot if other people.
The good news is that REPEATERS DO work.
Look furthermore, the key is in this thread. I already said too much.
There's a difference between knowing for a fact
and copy pasting the same info, playing the same disc with... This doesnt work... You are wrong... Einstein was right... Etc
I am giving you the direction. With all my sincerity.
Alex
As I know there are 3 ways to bet on repeats notwithstanding unsubstantiated variance avoidance claims:
1) Parallel streams:
Number: X,X,X,X,X
Position: Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y
You need values from both streams (X,Y) in order to be able to improve accuracy of predictions. And the predictions must be based around a repeats (or other non-random) framework.
2) Bet on-behalf of the number repeats, say, using Corners, and therefore with a cheaper investment (positions, i.e. selecting only those singles from the last 18 also helps):
(link:s://s2.postimg.org/4ss7j28dl/image.png)
3) Control the variance over several successive cycles - complicated but better than trying to avoid variance without any process in place.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 06, 07:14 AM 2017
As I know there are 3 ways to bet on repeats notwithstanding unsubstantiated variance avoidance claims:
1) Parallel streams:
Number: X,X,X,X,X
Position: Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y
You need values from both streams (X,Y) in order to be able to improve accuracy of predictions. And the predictions must be based around a repeats (or other non-random) framework.
2) Bet on-behalf of the number repeats, say, using Corners, and therefore with a cheaper investment (positions, i.e. selecting only those singles from the last 18 also helps):
(link:s://s2.postimg.org/4ss7j28dl/image.png)
3) Control the variance over several successive cycles - complicated but better than trying to avoid variance without any process in place.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 06, 07:14 AM 2017
As I know there are 3 ways to bet on repeats notwithstanding unsubstantiated variance avoidance claims:
1) Parallel streams:
Number: X,X,X,X,X
Position: Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y
You need values from both streams (X,Y) in order to be able to improve accuracy of predictions. And the predictions must be based around a repeats (or other non-random) framework.
2) Bet on-behalf of the number repeats, say, using Corners, and therefore with a cheaper investment (positions, i.e. selecting only those singles from the last 18 also helps):
(link:s://s2.postimg.org/4ss7j28dl/image.png)
3) Control the variance over several successive cycles - complicated but better than trying to avoid variance without any process in place.
Falkor,
That is not the way! Dont bet corners and other BS, just repeaters. You dont control variance you flow with it... You flat bet it
There is no progression no complicated patterns, jesus!
Stop reinventing the wheel!
Alex
@ turbo,
Congratulations. lol
QuoteYou dont control variance you flow with it... You flat bet it
There's 2 ways of flowing with variance - positive or negative - but if that worked then everyone would already be winning with Martingale methods. Allow me to explain:
Red vs. Black = 50/50.If there was no variance then R/B would behave like this:
RBRBRBRBRBRBRBRB
Let's say there was a slight variance, then it might be like this:
RRBBRRBBRRBBRRBB
Or like this:
RRRBBBRRRBBBRRRBBB
In the 3rd scenario, we have a negative and positive way to bet progressively:
Negative/Martingale: bet on R and if lose then double up till win. Since the variance is only small, we would always win without reaching table limits.
Positive/Surf the wave: Wait for a virtual win on Red, bet Red to win again then double up once only.
Both methods are really nothing more than a positive/negative Martingale system that always loses since real variance isn't so tame:
This sequence kills the above negative progression on B:
BBRBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRBRBBR
This sequence kills the above positive progression:
RBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBRBR
This problem applies to all bet selections, including hot/cold numbers.However, the "funny sequences" topic showed there is a way to control variance over successive cycles that may or not help tame variance and provide a winning method:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18814.0
The above creates a
butterfly effect, so if converting sequences into combinations like Cycle Lengths and Orders, the variance of those becomes dependent on the variance of High and Low.
136286 Posts in 10397 Topics by 2799 Members.
How funny is it it took 136 thousand posts in this forum to get to resolution!!!
Steve for the sake of all you can delete this thread as it is clearly the end of roulette as we know it.
We can then go back to our useless discussions about patterns an magic systems...
Alex
Quote from: denzie on Aug 06, 06:33 AM 2017Like someone said.....It's all the same....Repeaters, non hits , ktf , gut....It uses the same stuff each on there own way.
Just like probasah ain't playing as TG at all. But he does got the idea for it. Just as there is more than one way to play a certain idea
If this really worked then Notto wouldn't be telling us to take the first profit - even if only +1!
(link:s://image.ibb.co/cQvThF/proxy.png)
Falkor,
Often as difficult as it is to understand your ideas and postings, I appreciate your long standing conviction.
probasah on the other hand, you need to take a step back and stop being so childishly fanatical about something you just discovered 3 days ago.
It really is absurd behaviour.
Steve, Probasah ain't selling something. I wrote to him and he replied.I still don't understand all about repeaters but I believe it's one of the best ways to bet.
Quote from: Taotie on Aug 06, 08:21 AM 2017
Falkor,
Often as difficult as it is to understand your ideas and postings, I appreciate your long standing conviction.
probasah on the other hand, you need to take a step back and stop being so childishly fanatical about something you just discovered 3 days ago.
It really is absurd behaviour.
You are right, Taotie.
I am a bit fanatical about it. Imagine how would you behave if you would find life on another planet/ a infinite renewable energy source / the cure for ageing / things like that. How would you behave?
It really amazes me how people take the superficial part of things.
I could have kept my mouth shut and just enjoy the average talks, see people fail over and over again, being scammed by system sellers, etc.. you get the picture.
I am not the first nor will i be the first to see the truth from the lies.
I hope you all succeed in your searches. I really do.
What started as a play 7 years ago finished for me 4days ago. The impossible became possible.
You may not see it as much, for me it was just another intelectual battle won.
I will probably not even use this thing for me in the future as it is not a challenge for mevanymore.
The more i try to get the others see the light for themselves, the more i feel that is a battle i will never win.
I just hope that those few that will make it, will see the truth behind the lies.
I will not get rich with this guys, it was never about that for me. Please stop accusing me of trying to mislead people to take advantage.
To make it easier for you all, just forget that i ever was here.
Life continues with or without the roulette HG.
And will continue with and without probasah.
That being said, thank you all for your messages, the thank you's that i get in my inbox value more for ME than donald trump's millions.
I have been a zombie the last days fighting against impossible odds. I won. That is all that matters.
Even if i made 1 person life better, IT WAS ALL WORTH IT.
Steve, please remove my account as i see people do not appreciate my postings.
I wish you all the best in life,
Alex
Pops my head in for a moment.
What an interesting thread.
@probasah...can you please post a graph of say 10000 random stream to see how it looks..<i am not asking how you bet or anything else >only graph..thanks
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 06, 09:29 AM 2017
Pops my head in for a moment.
What an interesting thread.
That's not what I thought. I haven't read it all but it looks like yet another "Guess My Grail" thread. Same old same old. ::)
Do you realise how many different roulette systems are possible? It's like saying "I've hidden a chest of gold coins somewhere in the world, all you have to do is find it and it's yours". ;D
Even if you narrow down the possible systems to hot numbers and repeaters it won't make a lot of difference. Ok, here's a clue: it's somewhere in Africa. ;D
It's absurd on another level too. Given that an awful lot of hot number/repeater systems have been tested over the years, isn't it odd that not even one has achieved HG status? Are we supposed to believe that a minor mod of a failed system (e.g. wait for 3 repeats in 30 spins instead of 40) makes all the difference between a system which flat out fails and one which wins continuously? It's like saying this car will reach 100 mph if it's red but not if it's blue. If the basic principle of hot numbers/ repeaters is sound then many variations should work, but none of them do. ::)
Just finished my regular session at my local casino.
I have a question for all you guys on here - who actually goes to your local b&m casino bet at the manual tables at least 2/3 times a week every week of the year for at least the last 3 years ? Anyone who collect enough comps to pay for rooms/food ? Indicate below.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 06, 10:25 AM 2017
That's not what I thought. I haven't read it all but it looks like yet another "Guess My Grail" thread. Same old same old. ::)
Do you realise how many different roulette systems are possible? It's like saying "I've hidden a chest of gold coins somewhere in the world, all you have to do is find it and it's yours". ;D
Even if you narrow down the possible systems to hot numbers and repeaters it won't make a lot of difference. Ok, here's a clue: it's somewhere in Africa. ;D
It's absurd on another level too. Given that an awful lot of hot number/repeater systems have been tested over the years, isn't it odd that not even one has achieved HG status? Are we supposed to believe that a minor mod of a failed system (e.g. wait for 3 repeats in 30 spins instead of 40) makes all the difference between a system which flat out fails and one which wins continuously? It's like saying this car will reach 100 mph if it's red but not if it's blue. If the basic principle of hot numbers/ repeaters is sound then many variations should work, but none of them do. ::)
And here we have it once again. ..... Because You can't figure it out no one can. Please if it's all you have to say, don't say nothing at all. Seriously shut up.
Quote from: cht on Aug 06, 10:43 AM 2017
Just finished my regular session at my local casino.
I have a question for all you guys on here - who actually goes to your local b&m casino bet at the manual tables at least 2/3 times a week every week of the year for at least the last 3 years ? Anyone who collect enough comps to pay for rooms/food ? Indicate below.
Nope, I'm a online player. It's just more easy. Never had problems with connection or pay outs etc....
But on my trip in cambodia yup...buy in for 5-800$ and every night a room and food and drinks and cigarettes and.....yes girls
Quote from: denzie on Aug 06, 11:06 AM 2017
Nope, I'm a online player. It's just more easy. Never had problems with connection or pay outs etc....
But on my trip in cambodia yup...buy in for 5-800$ and every night a room and food and drinks and cigarettes and.....yes girls
Yea the girls make all the difference.
Quote from: denzie on Aug 06, 11:04 AM 2017
And here we have it once again. ..... Because You can't figure it out no one can.
That's not what I said. If you're going to reply then reply to what I actually wrote, not your interpretation of it.
Again it's a very well tested fact that past numbers (including hot numbers) dont at all change the odds (exception is bias). So if you have 13,13,13 consecutively, the odds of 13 spinning next are still 1 in 37. The odds dont change for the next spin, or anytime soon. SO WHY WOULD YOU PICK HOT NUMBERS OVER COLD NUMBERS? WHY WOULD EITHER CHOICE BE BETTER THAN RANDOM BETTING?
Hello All,
It's your money your time.
I had run a simulation of this sometime back. The number's don't add up.
If some one want's to give out exact rules: I will code this again for everyone to see it for themselves.
Please, no twisting of the rules. Once confirmed by everyone the app or tracker will be published.
Anyone up for it?
I already published free software so anyone can see for themselves. It didnt change anything probably because people dont care to test properly, for whatever reason.
Steve,
I agree with you. However, I am going to play dumb and say. They think you have something about system play because of the business you are in.
To people it looks like you have a hidden agenda.
I can publish the rules in probably 20 simple steps.
However, like to see the people who have claimed to prove it with graphs. Come up with it so no mis-understanding.
If this won flat betting. Do you really think people would play a marti progression of 1 2 4 8 16 when a number hit's lets do the math right here.
It's simple. The marti progression is the first killer never mind the flat bet selecting the hot number's.
I am sure there is something wrong in the programming or the number's have been fixed to reflect that.
This reminds me of someone by the name of ALBALHA or whatever it was. Could beat a million spins however still looking for a system from people.
Quote from: wiggy on Aug 04, 11:43 AM 2017
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Anyone tried parachuting:
1s: bet the 1s till there are 2s...
2s: stop betting 1s and bet 2s
3s: stop betting 2s and bet 3s
...
Since there are less numbers involved at the higher levels, perhaps the parachute progression could end up in profit with a few tweaks, but I seriously doubt it.
I assume Alex has left this forum.
The rules are simple, very simple in less than 20 lines. There're 3 aspects to get right - post#398. Nobody is going to give the rules to you, do your homework for yourself. There's more than enough relevant info on this thread contributed by a number of posters not too difficult to find them.
If you're someone who knows payouts as well as a dealer does plus sees each and every number on the carpet in your head(not eyes) then you should be able to SEE it at a glance what this idea is all about.
There's nothing to prove. No one can prove it to you, nobody can convince you that's a silly, childish thought. You prove it to yourself, no one is going to do that for you.
It's an idea. There're many ways to skin the cat, it's obvious if you SEE it. Post #401. The main difference is the risk exposure in each model.
And if you don't SEE it, then move on. It's BS to YOU.
Keep the conversation focus on the idea, stay away from personalities including about yourself it's not relevant never will be btw who cares.
Btw I play bacs full-time my way at the local b&m casino. Still.
My last post on this thread. Out.
PS. I don't reply to PMs on this matter.
There is nothing rocket science about the rules.
I don't want them for myself. I will not do it as how I see it.
People see things differently when looking at the same thing from different elevation.
That's why I said, let someone post the rules if they claim it's a winner. All I was willing to do was share it with everyone to see for themselves. They could load as many spins as they wanted.
No personal agenda for me.
There is no rules, only clues about nothing.
So I read part of this thread. I may have missed something, but at some point turbo seems to speak about a progression. Probasah claims its all flat betting. Are they talking about the same thing at all?
Quote from: vladir on Aug 07, 06:22 AM 2017
So I read part of this thread. I may have missed something, but at some point turbo seems to speak about a progression. Probasah claims its all flat betting. Are they talking about the same thing at all?
You could spend a week pulling apart inconsistencies, bad logic, misunderstandings and loads of other junk.... and in the end you'll conclude there's nothing valuable in Turbo's approach. It's just the same crap repackaged.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Aug 07, 04:31 AM 2017
There is no rules, only clues about nothing.
Agreed. And supposing someone thinks they've figured out what the system is from the "clues", what then? The teaser won't confirm it anyway.
I don't get it. If you want to post your ideas then just do it. If you think you've found a winning system but don't want to share, then don't post anything, just keep it to yourself. What's the point of posting hints and clues if you have no intention of sharing? the hints are not "sharing" anything. You just come across as an attention seeking knobhead. If you feel you need more attention, try getting a f*ckin dog.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 07, 06:29 AM 2017
It's just the same crap repackaged.
Kinda like what you and Bayes post every few pages. We get it. We totally get your point. Now take a step back let others talk . Thx :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Aug 07, 07:17 AM 2017Kinda like what you and Bayes post every few pages
The difference is accuracy.
Quote from: denzie on Aug 07, 07:17 AM 2017We get it. We totally get your point.
Actually you don't get the point.
When I see bullshit, I explain why it's bullshit. The exception is if it's in the system players only section, where reason is a touchy subject. But I guarantee I wont tell anyone they're wrong there.
And actually I mostly ignore inaccurate information. I usually say my part and leave it alone. When I do respond, I don't drone on with vague jargon. I give specific details including how anyone can verify the facts for themselves. You may not appreciate it, but others may.
Quote from: denzie on Aug 07, 07:17 AM 2017
We get it.
I don't think so. And who is "we" anyway? Speak for yourself.
It's really odd how certain members get a reputation for being gurus when they have actually demonstrated nothing at all. Turbo, priyanka, winkel, etc. Their only talent seems to be self-promotion and making grandiose claims, but not a shred of evidence has ever been given. On the basis of hot air and meaningless clues they have been elevated to legends! sycophants hang on their every word and suck up to them hoping to get some pearls of wisdom!
Wake up and smell the BS guys.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 07, 07:26 AM 2017The exception is if it's in the system players only section, where reason is a touchy subject. But I guarantee I wont tell anyone they're wrong there.
I just learned this. I believe many posters were not aware of this.
Steve, should this topic be transfered to system players only section ?
No because i started this thread to give turbos preachings an honest assessment. It was actually his open invitation to anyone. I even gave the flat earth crap a lot of my time only to conclude its complete crap. And i explained why i believe that. Likewise i explained why i dont find turbos approaches to be anything but nonsense. I often see ignorant people unwilling to consider another side, and im not going to be the same. Ill at least look in detail to understand the other sides view. But when its bullshit ill say it, and why. My opinions on things like these arent just opinions. They are just what the facts make clear.
If anyone wants to start a thread in that section, they can. But there is a real danger of preventing more sane and accurate information from interrupting ignorance and inexperience. Still, thats what can be done in that section.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 09:19 PM 2017
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.
So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.
Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.
The problem with this, and the whole premise that repeaters and hot numbers are better than betting randomly or on "cold" numbers, is that there is no reason why numbers which have hit once, twice, or X times will hit again while you're betting on them. Turbo doesn't seem to understand why it's not silly to bet on the numbers which haven't appeared, he says "why on earth would you?".
umm... because those numbers have the same chance of hitting as any others?
The faulty logic is that numbers which have hit will be more likely to hit again. That would be true if the outcomes were not random, but they
are random. If you collect some spins and sort them hottest to coldest there is no tendency for those at the top of the list to hit more often than any further down the list. Numbers at the top can turn cold and numbers at the bottom can become hot, and there's no consistent pattern to it. This shouldn't be any big surprise given that outcomes are independent.
I wrote a program some years ago which tested many values of X, Y, and Z for the system: "bet on the numbers which have hit X times in the last Y spins, for z spins. X, Y and Z can take many values ranging from 1 to whatever you like. X can take the value zero too, meaning that there have been no hits in the last Y spins. Each value of X, Y, and Z represents a different system. It took a couple of days to get the results because there were thousands of systems, but in the end no system performed better than any other. Again, just what you would expect from the maths.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 07, 08:02 AM 2017
No because i started this thread to give turbos preachings an honest assessment. It was actually his open invitation to anyone. I even gave the flat earth crap a lot of my time only to conclude its complete crap. And i explained why i believe that. Likewise i explained why i dont find turbos approaches to be anything but nonsense. I often see ignorant people unwilling to consider another side, and im not going to be the same. Ill at least look in detail to understand the other sides view. But when its bullshit ill say it, and why. My opinions on things like these arent just opinions. They are just what the facts make clear.
If anyone wants to start a thread in that section, they can. But there is a real danger of preventing more sane and accurate information from interrupting ignorance and inexperience. Still, thats what can be done in that section.
Ok, this thread is about turbo and his ideas - the title. My bad I didn't read, I thought this was some exploratory discussion.
I don't think your bs call is wrong. In the absence of concrete evidence, it's bs turbo or whatever no compromise on this. Frankly, even if evidence from someone else is handed to me, it's still not good enough for me. It's up to each one of us to do our own due diligence.
cht its more complicated than that be ause turbo made contradictory statements, and statements that make clear accuracy is not changed, but it us changed, but not changed, and so on. I followed what turbo has said and its nothing personal but he was wrong. And the whole thing with parksonline was misleading.
Anyway its ok to be wrong. Im just trying to help people avoid wasting time. Ive explained all the details in earlier posts
I haven't really looked into this repeater method much.
But I understand that logic a bit.
Why would you play cold numbers?
1. Quality(hot numbers) vs quantity(cold numbers)
2.random stats already says all 37 will not really show up in a cycle of 37 spins. Meaning numbers will repeat!
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not sure which method they achieved but I'm sure there is a way to take advantage.
Billions of spins will not help until you know exactly what your testing!!!!!!
So Steve and bayes, YOU ARE RIGHT! There is no method that you guys have tested that can win. BUT YOU GUYS DONT HAVE THE RIGHT METHOD TO TEST AND BECAUSE OF THIS, YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE CORRECT RESULTS!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 07, 08:19 AM 2017
I haven't really looked into this repeater method much.
But I understand that logic a bit.
Why would you play cold numbers?
1. Quality(hot numbers) vs quantity(cold numbers)
2.random stats already says all 37 will not really show up in a cycle of 37 spins. Meaning numbers will repeat!
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not sure which method they achieved but I'm sure there is a way to take advantage.
Billions of spins will not help until you know exactly what your testing!!!!!!
So Steve and bayes, YOU ARE RIGHT! There is no method that you guys have tested that can win. BUT YOU GUYS DONT HAVE THE RIGHT METHOD TO TEST AND BECAUSE OF THIS, YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE CORRECT RESULTS!
The bolded part, you got that one right. Now will probasah and the 4 guys he mentioned lay it on this thread for all to see ? No. Both parties are right except they speak not of the same thing.
On my part, from the small sample I tested the data suggests a bias. Remember - a very, very small sample. I don't have the time to test further nor will I.
Enough of what turbo has said is black and white, not grey. If those black and white comments are to be taken seriously, Turbo has said enough, with condtradictions, to show his approach doesnt work and he doesnt even understand why. Its nothing personal at all.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Aug 07, 08:19 AM 2017
Why would you play cold numbers?
1. Quality(hot numbers) vs quantity(cold numbers)
2.random stats already says all 37 will not really show up in a cycle of 37 spins. Meaning numbers will repeat!
Sure, numbers will repeat. But which ones? There is no way to predict on the random wheel.
QuoteBUT YOU GUYS DONT HAVE THE RIGHT METHOD TO TEST AND BECAUSE OF THIS, YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE CORRECT RESULTS!
If all the logic and evidence points to hot numbers not being a superior bet, what makes you think there is a "right" method which hasn't been discovered yet?
In this case it's reasonable to say that "absence of evidence is evidence of absence"
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 06, 07:14 AM 2017
As I know there are 3 ways to bet on repeats notwithstanding unsubstantiated variance avoidance claims:
1) Parallel streams:
Number: X,X,X,X,X
Position: Y,Y,Y,Y,Y,Y
You need values from both streams (X,Y) in order to be able to improve accuracy of predictions. And the predictions must be based around a repeats (or other non-random) framework.
Is this possible ? Has anyone tested this ?
Falkor, what's your findings ?
Quote from: cht on Aug 07, 08:57 AM 2017
Is this possible ?
It's about the only thing that does work... I tested number repeats till blue in the face over millions of spins, looking for a simple method that doesn't involve parallel streams... all different simulations/tests carried out (including in microcosm using dozens in 4 spins)... Hot numbers have same chance as cold numbers. No way to break unfair payout odds problem. You could bet a more likely event such as 15 numbers compared to 5 numbers, but all is compensated by the payout odds (or risk/reward factor - 15 numbers repeat quicker but pay less). However, the moment you look at the numbers stream with additional info coming from the positions stream then you can see an extra dimension to what is happening!
Alternatively, you could simply bet on-behalf of the numbers (foundation vs. roof). Let's say we expect a number repeat on spin 7:
Example 1: 1,10,14,18,22,31
Example 2: 1,3,7,14,17,18
Example 1 would require 6 units if betting individual numbers, but you could probably reduce it to 4-5 units by transposing to corners or double streets.
Example 2 only requires 1 unit because all numbers are in the low EC bracket!
Example 3: 1,3,7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21,23,25,27,29
Here we just bet on Odd = 1 unit! And even if you don't want to study the positions stream in any detail, you could take out the oldest numbers from that list since the repeat will mostly occur on recent numbers:
1,3,7,9,11,13,15,
vs.
17,19,21,23,25,27,29
The 2nd bunch is a better choice - providing they appeared in that order!
It's also evident from how Priyanka plays that if a number has repeated several times, i.e. 3x or 4x, there are further exclusions that can be made - but only when considering this problem from a transposition context - preferably aided by the position values, too.
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=3J4Lf7zxk4I
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The Corners that were selected based on the individual numbers:
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And when the Corners were selected they were chosen with respect to recent numbers (positions) and which numbers had already repeated during the previous Double Streets transposition:
(link:s://s2.postimg.org/605zp2xqx/recentnumbers.png)
If you are using Double Streets instead of numbers then you could use bring in Streets as a parallel game. However, since numbers doesn't officially have anything better, it's co-dependents are limited to positions or a self-defined stream such as numbers stitched to ECs over the course of 2 spins per trial, but this is unnecessary... Numbers + Positions is all that's really require to achieve 45 degree graphs - believe it or not. But without it, is like trying to solve an inequality with only 1 expression instead of the 2 or more needed expressions - all based on number patterns over multiple spins - and never with regards to predicting the next spin (cannot be done; hence the repetitive betting style seen in Priyanka's video).
I tested along the same lines. In fact I read your much earlier post that pointed me in this path. My findings are exactly the same as yours playing around with various other 'streams'. If the 'timing' is ripe, ie. the number of numbers vs payout is favorable, the result looks good. Hypothetically, we should only place bets when this condition is met. It does fail but the success outweighs the failure in my very small sample tested. This line of thought deserves further expanded testing imho. You/others might want to take it from here.
Quote from: cht on Aug 07, 10:13 AM 2017
I tested along the same lines. In fact I read your much earlier post that pointed me in this path. My findings are exactly the same as yours playing around with various other 'streams'. If the 'timing' is ripe, ie. the number of numbers vs payout is favorable, the result looks good. Hypothetically, we should only place bets when this condition is met. It does fail but the success outweighs the failure in my very small sample tested. This line of thought deserves further expanded testing imho. You/others might want to take it from here.
This is what Pri was trying to teach. But a much more advanced method
normaly from 37 a 52 will go 2 at 4 numbers fron 2 reapeters at 3 repeat.maybe can do something with this :lol:
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 07, 07:35 AM 2017
I don't think so. And who is "we" anyway? Speak for yourself.
It's really odd how certain members get a reputation for being gurus when they have actually demonstrated nothing at all. Turbo, priyanka, winkel, etc. Their only talent seems to be self-promotion and making grandiose claims, but not a shred of evidence has ever been given. On the basis of hot air and meaningless clues they have been elevated to legends! sycophants hang on their every word and suck up to them hoping to get some pearls of wisdom!
Wake up and smell the BS guys.
Bayes,
I never ever called myself a Guru nor did I behave that way.
Everyone is allowed of being pround of the things he achieved.
I don´t know why you have to mention me this way.
I´m absolutely right having stopped any posting in forums like this. there are only angry old man, shitting AP-Players, Balloneys of all kind and no sense at all.
Quote from: winkel on Aug 07, 04:18 PM 2017
Bayes,
I´m absolutely right having stopped any posting in forums like this. there are only angry old man, shitting AP-Players, Balloneys of all kind and no sense at all.
From what I see on his website, a forum of his in preparation too, so I am sure at least it will be deprived of such things. :thumbsup:
I barely post anymore either
I created strategies and silly ways to play because I like the game
It's an uphill battle on forums
Not worth it.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 07, 07:05 AM 2017You just come across as an attention seeking knobhead
lol.....you hit the nail on the head my friend
Seems there are 4 types (just my opinion, so if the hairs start to rise on the back of your neck, take an antihistamine)
A: people who genuinely have studied the game and realize the unfair payout will always be in the casinos favour, no matter what flavour you place those chips (which doesnt change the odds or improve the accuracy of your bet selection) unless you cheat with computers or advantage play (I mean the Casinos interpretation of cheating)
B: People who know all that but have gained some ego boosting kudos in grabbing an audience while their ego fights to oppose what they already know is true (i.e. what A: says)
C: Newbies who are acolytes of B: because they just started out with high hopes and dont want to believe A: because their pilgrimage will have ended before it began
D: Falkor :o
With comments directed at personal level this forum will go dead, stays dead.
I read a lot of useless personality fights on most forums.
If YOU need to sound smart, put others down, need to win arguments on forums, quite clear you're not making money at the casino. I've no time to waste on such triviality.
Winkel, RG put such posters on ignore, there's no need to respond.
Steve, you might want to tighten moderation on personal level post and comments.
Is there a forum where there's open discussion focused on money making ideas ?
Quote from: cht on Aug 07, 06:32 PM 2017
With comments directed at personal level this forum will go dead, stays dead.
I read a lot of useless personality fights on most forums.
If YOU need to sound smart, put others down, need to win arguments on forums, quite clear you're not making money at the casino. I've no time to waste on such triviality.
Winkel, RG put such posters on ignore, there's no need to respond.
Steve, you might want to tighten moderation on personal level post and comments.
Is there a forum where there's open discussion focused on money making ideas ?
A precis:
Can all the A's shut the f*** up and let the C's get on with feeding the B's egos
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 07, 07:35 AM 2017It's really odd how certain members get a reputation for being gurus when they have actually demonstrated nothing at all. Turbo, priyanka, winkel, etc. Their only talent seems to be self-promotion and making grandiose claims, but not a shred of evidence has ever been given.
I wasn't going to bother but... since you didn't see it when posted I assume.
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exactly 24,005 spins where bets were placed.
And I know, this proves nothing - not enough spins, fixed game, toy wheel, etc. We covered all that on the other forum - even to the point where I proved each and every one of these things were false, yet it doesn't matter.
So to the people that have figured it out - good for them. To people who refuse to believe it's possible - good for them. I could care less.
And please don't group me in with other people - there's only me.
I have clearly demonstrated how roulette "is" beaten. I've posted how it's done. I've posted why it works.
I've posted RX, actuals, online casinos with live wheels and others with RNG - I've wasted entirely too much time trying to convince people what I'm saying is fact. It's clearly not worth my time to continue to do so.
It's all BS ? That's fine with me, opinions are everywhere - everyone has one. You can ignore everything I said and call it nonsense - it matters not to me. What's done is done.
I had to do a lot of reading to catch up in this thread and it really makes me wonder sometimes.
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"Turbo doesn't seem to understand why it's not silly to bet on the numbers which haven't appeared, he says "why on earth would you?".
umm... because those numbers have the same chance of hitting as any others?"
I hope for your sake you re-read this over and over.
They absolutely don't have the same chance of hitting as any other number.
You do know that (for example) the last 5 numbers could go 100-200 spins or more (or less) without appearing.
So if you are 38 spins in (for example) and have 16 un-hit numbers left.... you DO realise that 5 of those (for example) are going to not appear for potentially a long time. It's not the same math anymore.
Would you bet on a number knowing full well that's it's very likely a long term sleeper ? No, you wouldn't.
The opposite ? Playing repeaters. Would you play numbers that have shown knowing that there WILL be repeaters ?
If not - or if you still don't understand this.. there's no point.
There's actually no point in posting this - you won't stop to think logically, nor Steve, nor the nay-sayers who are stuck on "each spin is independent" and the game is "one spin" followed by "one spin".
There's nothing I nor anyone else can do or say to change this obviously, you'll either get it or not.
I made it perfectly clear that "my" way doesn't require me to be perfect. I don't need to hit and win on every hot number - just 1,2,3 maybe of the top 15 etc... and this is so easy a baby can do it.
You can go back to calling it BS and say I'm not being specific enough (still) for you. Or "it's all fixed" or "all BS" or whatever you want to avoid what's slapping you in the face repeatedly.
QuoteSo if you are 38 spins in (for example) and have 16 un-hit numbers left.... you DO realise that 5 of those (for example) are going to not appear for potentially a long time. It's not the same math anymore.
Does that mean you are relying on variance from previous cycles to win the current cycle? Or can you win each cycle without knowledge of the previous?
Quote from: winkel on Aug 07, 04:18 PM 2017I don´t know why you have to mention me this way.
There are actually many members who haven't provided a system any better than other systems. Some people have a following of people, some dont. Anyone who has a following needs to be very careful to not mislead people. And everyone needs to be responsible for understanding and testing facts.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 07, 04:43 PM 2017It's an uphill battle on forums
Disagreements are a natural part of life. The problem in this case is some people mislead others. But the misled people need to be responsible for themselves too. When more experienced members try to help, they can sometimes be too forceful. But there's a time also for being blunt.
Quote from: cht on Aug 07, 06:32 PM 2017Steve, you might want to tighten moderation on personal level post and comments.
I haven't seen anything needing moderation. But we all need to keep it civil and productive.
Quote from: cht on Aug 07, 06:32 PM 2017Is there a forum where there's open discussion focused on money making ideas ?
Any forum. Just listen to the people that have experience who also give supporting evidence you can verify. And ignore people who make claims that oppose logic and don't have supporting information.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 07, 07:19 PM 2017======================================================================
April 30th / bankroll: $445,417.00 / from roulette: $335,300.00 / roulette balance: $335,300.00
May 7th / bankroll: $710,867.00 / from roulette: $249,200.00 / roulette balance: $584,500.00
May 9th / bankroll: $960,267.00 / from roulette: $240,400.00 / roulette balance: $824,900.00
May 14th / bankroll: $1,242,767.00 / from roulette: $516,400.00 / roulette balance: $1,341,300.00
May 21st / bankroll: $1,749,967.00 / from roulette: $479,700.00 / roulette balance: $1,821,000.00
May 28th / bankroll: $2,359,822.00 / from roulette: $457,520.00 / roulette balance: $2,278,520.00
June 9th / bankroll: $3,660,342.00 / from roulette: $1,119,300.00 / roulette balance: $3,397,820.00
June 17th / bankroll: $4,000,094.00 / from roulette: $507,300.00 / roulette balance: $3,905,120.00
June 18th / bankroll: $4,179,791.00 / from roulette: $761,500.00 / roulette balance: $4,159,320.00
June 25th / bankroll: $5,050,207.00 / from roulette: $1,425,810.00 / roulette balance: $5,585,130.00
July 2nd / bankroll: $7,116,855.00 / from roulette: $1,861,100.00 / roulette balance: $7,446,230.00
======================================================================
exactly 24,005 spins where bets were placed.
Turbo, I previously explained the math of parxonline in detail. It is wrong and misleading to cite these results when the player has the edge at parx. But I'll simplify.... when the casino gives you extra free money to play with every day, you are going to keep profiting provided you don't play too much. You need to play at the right level, and you'll be guaranteed profit. The parxonline results are very misleading. Anyone can achieve these results with random bets.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 07, 07:19 PM 2017And I know, this proves nothing - not enough spins, fixed game, toy wheel, etc. We covered all that on the other forum - even to the point where I proved each and every one of these things were false, yet it doesn't matter.
No you didn't prove anything of the sort. No casino pays you every day just for turning up. That's where the player edge starts.
If you played 37 spins per day, and started with $1,000 and were paid $1,000 just for logging in, your edge for the day is about +30%.
Now imagine logging in day after day to maximize your bonus, and manage to win one of the top prizes just once. From that point, you have a massive injection of free funds in your account. From that point, as long as you keep playing, you'll continue to have a much higher edge than anyone and your profit is virtually guaranteed to keep increasing.
Again you dont appear to understand the math. But to simplify it further, you say its realistic. Which real casino gives you free money every day just for visiting?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 07, 07:19 PM 2017And please don't group me in with other people - there's only me.
Even Fossel was high in the leaderboard. Again anyone would be if they played enough. Just most people dont have spare time to play with fun credits.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 07, 07:19 PM 2017I've posted RX, actuals, online casinos with live wheels and others with RNG - I've wasted entirely too much time trying to convince people what I'm saying is fact. It's clearly not worth my time to continue to do so.
All I've seen you post from RX is a series of short term tests. How many similar results are on forums? Are they all HGs?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 07, 07:19 PM 2017It's all BS ? That's fine with me, opinions are everywhere - everyone has one. You can ignore everything I said and call it nonsense - it matters not to me. What's done is done.
I had to do a lot of reading to catch up in this thread and it really makes me wonder sometimes.
You dont seem to understand the math. You are misleading people, although I think it's mostly because you dont understand the math. Why spend all that time on parx if you want to prove yourself? Why not the MPR or a real online casino? Why would you choose a casino that pays you credits for logging in?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 07, 07:19 PM 2017There's actually no point in posting this - you won't stop to think logically, nor Steve, nor the nay-sayers who are stuck on "each spin is independent" and the game is "one spin" followed by "one spin".
Its not me who isnt thinking logically. The math is actually quite clear.
And you have contradicted yourself many times. You say you dont change the odds, so why choose repeaters? Then you said you do change the odds. So which is it? You use progression on hot numbers, but anyone who has tested properly knows a hot number is just as likely to spin next, or anytime soon, as any other number. This has been tested exhaustively. By your approach, after 2 hits on a number, you'd bet on that number with a progression. Why? It wouldnt change anything.
Again it's nothing personal. It has nothing to do with how I play. I only respond in detail for the sake of accuracy and helping people.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 12:58 AM 2017
...the misled people need to be responsible for themselves too...
If we could all truly let the insightful nature of this quoted comment really sink in and take hold, then we would all get along just fine. :thumbsup:
"link:s://:.youtube.com/embed/MPMmC0UAnj0"
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 12:58 AM 2017The parxonline results are very misleading. Anyone can achieve these results with random bets.
I must admit, I dont get what the point of all these Parxonline results is.
Its like me saying I killed 100s of solders in Afghanistan then you find out I am talking about playing Call of Duty
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 07, 07:19 PM 2017
So to the people that have figured it out - good for them.
And why do people have to "figure it out"? To Winkel, Turbo, priyanka, denzie and any other "baiters", I'd like to remind you of the forum rules, specifically rule 9, which says:
9. No "baiting", which is where you brag about how great your system is, but you don't share anything except perhaps obscure details that lead people along. The forum is a place for open sharing. If you "bait" people, expect to be banned.
As far as I'm aware, this rule has rarely if ever been enforced. Why not? it's a good rule IMO. I don't have an issue with anyone bragging about how great their system is, as long as they post clear instructions on how to play it. If the system seems absurd, so what? As long as instructions are given, and the system creator responds to requests for clarification etc then there's no problem. No one need indulge in personal attacks when everything is transparent and open. Members can try the sytem for themselves. If it doesn't work for them, they can tell the original poster, suggest improvements, and so on. Actually, this is what goes on most of the time here anyway.
It's only when grand claims are made but only hints are given that the trouble starts. Members are quite rightly pissed off when this happens, because it gives the baiter power over the "baitee". Openness, transparency, and the egalitarian principles of a public forum are compromised, and there is always the suspicion that the baiter has ulterior motives (such as "sales by pm").
I'm not "attacking" any of the above-mentioned posters. As Steve rightly says, those who are misled need to take responsibility too. And in any forum, as any sphere of life, there are strong, persuasive, and charismatic personalities - people who like to have power! Nothing wrong with that in general, but I don't think it's appropriate in a public discussion forum. Take away the opportunity for power (the "baiting") and it becomes a non-issue, although there will still be disagreements.
The baiting rule is only enforced in extreme cases, where nothing of actual substance is given.. like a principle that can be tested.
For example in falkors case, he gave information like roof structure which was beyond vague. But he eventually provided actual examples of his theories. The problem was they were flat incorrect. Falkor is usually moderated to at least remind him not be to so incredibly vague.
Turbo provided enough detail, and kudos for sharing. But the problem again major parts of his claims were incorrect.
Baiting that results in banning would need to be severe like it was with ceh, where nothing testable was provided over a long period of time. Just waffle and endless clues. In such a case it was sickening to watch and something needed to be done.
On the note of ceh, i knew i would cop heat for banning him because he had such a large following. Of course people accused me of censoring the hg which was complete bullshit.
It just reached epic levels of bullshit. Its not my job to tell people what to think. But it's also my and the mods responsibility to use best judgement to know when to finally step in. When its so damn obvious, action is justified.
It's alsi easy for us all to forget we are all real people here. I actually don't enjoy having the power as admin from the point that some people think that i think im better than them. In all i think we have good balanced moderation here. Again turner said it best: pub rules.
Steve, it's a bit of a grey area I suppose when it comes to moderation. When does baiting become "extreme"? You mention a "principle that can be tested". Well Turbo has definitely given us that. The principle is that hot numbers/ repeaters are a better bet than cold numbers. Even though he hasn't made a logical case for that being true (although he thinks he has), the problem is that the "principle" doesn't work in practice. I made this point in a recent post when I said that if the principle is true then there ought be many systems which work as long as they follow the "principle". But many systems have been tried using Turbo's principle and none of them work, so we're left with the conclusion that if Turbo is right, it must come down to the very specific system and rules he's using, which he won't post. So in effect, he is baiting after all.
I'm not necessarily saying that anyone who does this is a troll and on a deliberate power trip, but it doesn't really matter what their intentions are because the net result on the forum is the same.
The reason i mentioned ceh and remembering everyone is a real person is i came to know him reasonably well but didn't know he was actually ceh too. I didn't know until later. And the guy seemed normal and sincere. I was later shocked that he was ceh.
When i asked him wtf was he thinking when stringing people along. He said he just liked to make people think. So from his perspective he was helping people. His motivation and intent was good. But he was deliberately misleading people, which was very wrong. Point is he isn't a bad guy, just caught in a very bad way of thinking.
Sure there are bad people with bad intent too. And they wouldn't last long here or on any reputable forum. examples are some of the dicks that went to gf to complain about wov then now to another bad forum like spreading cancer. Just negative people, uncaring of shit they create and how they affect each other. At least it seems everyone here is essentially good-willed and not an outright c*nt to others while being proud of it.
id say turbo is a long way from baiting. baiting for ego is a very different frame of mind.
i think i know turbo well enough to say he has good intentions.
its also good that he put his balls on the line. but in this case it seems he made a mistake. if or when he sees this, the right thing would be to say this so people dont chase their tails.
ive made mistakes too, we all have. and i even made public apologies. its a bit embarassing, but shit happens. at least it shows you arent afraid to admit mistakes. most people tend to hold on as if it makes them look incompetent. i think most people would respect the honesty.
Heavy Moderation doesnt work and no moderation doesnt work even more
I think we have a good balance here. its because there is Moderation and people choose their words correctly to avoid it.
Pub rules, as I said to Steve some time ago.
Pubs have dickheads and bullshitters and people bragging, but it goes unchallenged....or a quiet word from the landlord
Pubs have good folk too, but if a fight breaks out, they are barred.
You cant have it run like Admin does in GF and you cant have it run like Esoito did in betselection. It doesnt work.
Quote from: TurboGeniusWhat or how would you bet on a roulette table if you DIDN'T want to win.
If your goal was to avoid a bet that you placed winning - where and why would you bet there ?
I think this might help some people along the way,
Don't get confused with "bet red and black and zero" (that's a whole different topic).
Lets say for the sake of example - you have to place a chip and you want to make sure that it doesn't win.....
link:s://:.GF/threads/a-question-to-make-you-think.7203/
"Lets say we wait until there is only 1 street left to show and then bet on it for 1 spin - knowing it could be 40+ spins before that last street shows. It's a great way to lose that bet."
--TurboGenius, 03-Jul-2017Turbo's claims about cold numbers will, indirectly, either support or weaken his hypothesis about hot numbers. Results of this
COLDEST STREET TEST to be posted soon - using real casino data over 1 million spins - excluding zeroes.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 12:58 AM 2017No you didn't prove anything of the sort. No casino pays you every day just for turning up. That's where the player edge starts.
If you played 37 spins per day, and started with $1,000 and were paid $1,000 just for logging in, your edge for the day is about +30%.
Now imagine logging in day after day to maximize your bonus, and manage to win one of the top prizes just once. From that point, you have a massive injection of free funds in your account. From that point, as long as you keep playing, you'll continue to have a much higher edge than anyone and your profit is virtually guaranteed to keep increasing.
Again you dont appear to understand the math. But to simplify it further, you say its realistic. Which real casino gives you free money every day just for visiting?Even Fossel was high in the leaderboard. Again anyone would be if they played enough. Just most people dont have spare time to play with fun credits.
I don't know why I have to keep saying the same thing.
Any bonus points for logging in - even points purchased for that matter - DO NOT count as a profit of any kind.
Your bankroll balance doesn't put you on the leaderboard - only profits do.
If I log in and they gave me a MILLION bonus points, I wouldn't place on the leaderboard at all.
All of my leaderboard positions have been from profit only while playing.
So yes - it's realistic.
I've explained this over and over, it doesn't sink in.
As you can see from my posted results - I didn't need or use any bonus or log in points after the first week, it was just a "starting bankroll" the same as what I would have brought to a casino myself. and logging in every day and getting bonus points.... none of them go towards the leaderboard results. (now I'm repeating myself again).
This is available info on the site - or give it a try yourself. You can get bonus points all day and never be on the leaderboard... this is fact.
Now again to the claim that it's fixed ? I dis-proved this by (saying first that I was going to do it) and then betting to lose. Sure enough, my bankroll is $2.00 now. "It's all rigged to win" wasn't an issue anymore - if I were being set up to win, had 7 million in profits..... there's no way a cheating game would let me lost that all.
Fossell ? Yes and others have ranked high on the leaderboard - because they know what they are doing.
Instead of credit for that, it's easier for you to say 'see, anyone can do it if you just play long enough'.
This isn't the case. If you aren't using something of value, you'll lose.
If you don't make a profit regardless of how big your bankroll is, you won't be on the leaderboard. It resets weekly. The only way I could rank so high week after week for that entire period of time is because what I'm saying is true.
While people might say I'm ego driven (lol). On the same note, I can say that many people won't give an ounce of credit where credit is due - because then they can't keep complaining. You would rather tell someone that they "think they know everything" instead of accepting the possibility that they know more than you think they do - where is the ego problem then ? Not with me.
On the other topic, I had to laugh. In the "Old days" you could certainly hop on a tour bus (I think it was Tuesdays and Thursdays) at the local diner here and they would take you to AC - they gave you a voucher - once inside the casino the voucher was turned in and they gave you $20.00 cash. You didn't have to gamble.
In your logic - "A person could ride the bus twice per week for a month and be on the leaderboard with $160.00 !"
But like I said, that 160.00 wouldn't count towards profits at the site, so no. They would have a typical starting bankroll - where it came from is irrelevant. I posted results - profit from playing. No bonus amounts included.
And "playing long enough" isn't relevant. So you're saying if they gave me $20.00 every day - if I played small amounts and took the bus every week for months - eventually I could win the leaderboard !! That's absurd.
Just think of it this way - whatever they give you in points is a bankroll for that visit.
Or better yet - with $100.00 minimum bet - how long do you think that little sign in bonus can last ? Laughs.
Maybe 10 minutes if you spin the wheel slow.
The site wasn't fixed for everyone to win and was proven. The results were random and realistic and was proven. Anyone could do the same to see for themselves.
But I understand it's a whole lot easier to say it's luck or fixed - or that I don't know math (laughs) - it doesn't matter.
I made claims, I explained it - I showed results... not accepting it or understanding it isn't my problem.
and I'm out. (is it baiting if I leave again for a few months ? lol. I hope not, what choice do I have other than copy/pasting my own explanations over and over again).
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 08, 06:54 AM 2017"Lets say we wait until there is only 1 street left to show and then bet on it for 1 spin - knowing it could be 40+ spins before that last street shows. It's a great way to lose that bet."
--TurboGenius, 03-Jul-2017
I was openly asking people what they would bet if their only goal was to lose - I wasn't posting that street example as a way of playing. Just to be clear.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 08, 07:07 AM 2017
I was openly asking people what they would bet if their only goal was to lose - I wasn't posting that street example as a way of playing. Just to be clear.
Your original statement is clear - you are claiming negative edge re: first bet on the coldest street.
QuoteAny bonus points for logging in - even points purchased for that matter - DO NOT count as a profit of any kind.
I know that. But your winnings with free money do count. Thats my point.
You still arent understanding the math.
Distribution for streets!
FWIW I don't think Turbo is on an ego-trip either, but I do think he's misleading himself, and therefore others too. He showed us his results from parx, which seem impressive. Over 24,000 bets is quite a lot, but without knowing the drawdowns, the progression used, and how many numbers are bet it's hard reach a firm conclusion; you certainly can't claim it's a "long-term" winner just on that basis. Without the details you have to fall back on the logic, which just doesn't hold up.
In his defense though, there is some mathematical justification for picking hot numbers. Maximum Likelihood Estimation (link:s://:.quora.com/How-do-you-explain-maximum-likelihood-estimation-intuitively) is a widely used statistical technique for "guessing" the probability of an event based on the data (past results). The MLE gives you the "best guess" and always turns out to be the event which occurs more often than other events, because it produces the maximum probability. So according to the MLE criteria, it makes no sense to bet on cold numbers because if you calculate their probabiliities they will always be the lowest, based on the data you actually have. The problem is that for random outcomes (without taking into account other factors), the past results are an unreliable indicator of future results. If the outcomes are not random then you're ok, so in the case of a biased wheel, even if you don't know where the bias is if you're betting those numbers which give the maximum probability you will end up betting on the "right" numbers if the wheel actually is biased.
There's another slightly more mathematical example of MLE here: link:://statgen.iop.kcl.ac.uk/bgim/mle/sslike_3.html
The wheel could be bias just that we don't know it's bias. The data suggests a bias distribution, good enough for betting the hot numbers so long as the pattern is clearly recognised.
COLDEST STREET TEST
Turbo claims there is negative edge for the first bet on the coldest street:
"Lets say we wait until there is only 1 street left to show and then bet on it for 1 spin - knowing it could be 40+ spins before that last street shows. It's a great way to lose that bet."
--TurboGenius, 03-Jul-2017
Number of real casino spins: 1,000,000 (excl. zero)
Starting BR: 1,000
Finishing BR: -294
Download full results... (link:://:.rarekungfumovies.com/roulette/TGColdestStreet-fullresults.zip) (open in Firefox - not Chrome or IE or Safari)
For those interested in carrying out a trend analysis: soon I will post a single page breakdown showing all placed bets. And I will repeat this for a 2nd dataset @ 1,000,000 spins, but without giving the full results.
(link:s://s2.postimg.org/74ltz6se1/coldeststreet.png)
COLDEST STREET TEST
2nd dataset finished similar to first...
Number of real casino spins: 1,000,000 (excl. zero)
Starting BR: 1,000
Finishing BR: -239
Download single page summaries... (link:://:.rarekungfumovies.com/roulette/TGColdestStreetsummary.zip)
TurboGenius vindicated/acquitted...? :)
Quote from: Drazen on Aug 07, 04:23 PM 2017
From what I see on his website, a forum of his in preparation too, so I am sure at least it will be deprived of such things. :thumbsup:
I don´t have a website. And I don´t own a forum or trying to put one up!
Why do liers like you fancy such a Bullshitting
Winkel, relax. Drazen wasn't talking about your web site but someone elses.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 08, 07:14 AM 2017
I know that. But your winnings with free money do count. Thats my point.
You still arent understanding the math.
Ok so he got let's say 100k free over the months. Still my respect to turn it into 7mil :thumbsup:
At least that's what my math tells me :)
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 08, 05:05 AM 2017
And why do people have to "figure it out"? To Winkel, Turbo, priyanka, denzie and any other "baiters",
Where in my posts did I "bait" You are a liar!
Hi Falkor
Your tests show that we have a soft edge. Play against coldest street. But have you checked whether playing 11 streets for 1 time, zero will not eat profit.
Let's say we play 3k spins a day that's 6 hours.
In a month we have about 100k spins, which gives us 120 units a month.
You have to see how variance looks, how big a budget we need.
I assume 2000 units could be enough.
What generates a 5% return on capital.
It's not much work time but having a bot that would play 6k spins a day. It would have been better.
ozon, the test wasn't for profit, it was to test the concept of hot vs. cold and whether there's any negative edge/bias playing cold - based on Turbo's suggestion on the best way to lose a bet. Whether that edge is greater than 2.7% is irrelevant since we are just testing the concept - not practical play - but from this test we can at least deduce that if there's negative edge for cold then there's most likely a positive edge solution for hot. And, to some extent, this test has also succeeded on Dozens, though there were bigger draw-downs - went from 1,000 down to 290, overall.
@ falkor, it's hard to see what the overall result is from your tests. Can you give an expectation based on the data?
If Turbo is right and hot numbers do better than cold numbers, why don't we see it? Perhaps he would like to suggest a test we can do to confirm or refute it?
I'm not as closed-minded as you seem to think I am. If the data says hot numbers are better, then so be it, but I've yet to see it.
Quote from: winkel on Aug 08, 08:43 AM 2017
I don´t have a website. And I don´t own a forum or trying to put one up!
Why do liers like you fancy such a Bullshitting
Thank you very much Herr winkel for your kind words.
As mod nicely noticed I was referring to Bayes and his website and his forum there.
My best hope is that I was able to put my lying on even higher level with this.
Cheers
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 08, 11:20 AM 2017
@ falkor, it's hard to see what the overall result is from your tests. Can you give an expectation based on the data?
If Turbo is right and hot numbers do better than cold numbers, why don't we see it? Perhaps he would like to suggest a test we can do to confirm or refute it?
I'm not as closed-minded as you seem to think I am. If the data says hot numbers are better, then so be it, but I've yet to see it.
The other dozens test I did has failed - it ended +900 in profit - so the result is due to variance. However, both street results seemed consistent for negative edge. Why would it work on streets and not dozens...?
I think I might have a 3 million dataset to retest streets...
Quote from: Drazen on Aug 08, 11:35 AM 2017
Thank you very much Herr winkel for your kind words.
As mod nicely noticed I was referring to Bayes and his website and his forum there.
My best hope is that I was able to put my lying on even higher level with this.
Cheers
You have become more trouble since you moved to Ireland
Must be the drink
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Quote from: Priyanka on Jan 30, 01:42 AM 2017The concept is a bit more than such a straightforward interpretation. To be able to understand you must try removing the cap on next spin odds are 1/37 or 1/38 and it never changes. If you are not able to, you will never be able to understand this. Try this one for a change, think about the odds of a spin repeating itself. When there is one spin only available, the odds of that spin repeating itself is 1/37. When there are two spins already available the odds of a repeat happening in 3rd spin is 2/37. So as you see, the odds of a spin repeating increases gradually till it becomes 1 when all the spins have spun. So if you consider this as a one set, even though the odds of next spin always remains 1/37, the odds of a repeat happening in next spin, constantly changes and in an increasing curve. I am sure the odds changing in this fashion is a fact.
Now try moving on to the next step. Take the numbers that repeat in the above sequence and create another sequence. Does odds or predictability change? Thats a question I would love you to find the answers yourselves, if you are really interested in understanding what is happening.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 02:28 AM 2017There were specific examples like there never being 38 numbers in 38 spins. I refuted this. But now are vague tg explanations that are impossible to test, because they are too vague.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Spin 1: 29
Spin 2: odd of a repeat: 1/37
Spin 1: 29
Spin 2: 15
Spin 3: odd of a repeat: 2/37
The more spins you play the greater the odd get.
Now apply this to a number repeating 2 times, 3 times, 4 times.
But it does not matter what anybody says here. Because steve can't wrap his head around it. He can't apply it to a working bet selection. So everybody else is just wrong and he is right.
The people that understand it will never fully explain it. They can only prove what they are saying is true by explaining there system fully. Nobody is going to do that.
Ray
what if the owner, Bayes, Turner and even Falkor understand how a nice easy bet this is, that they don't wont others jumping on the wagon, so they try to confuse and make it look like it fails.
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 08, 01:34 PM 2017
Ray
what if the owner, Bayes, Turner and even Falkor understand how a nice easy bet this is, that they don't wont others jumping on the wagon, so they try to confuse and make it look like it fails.
You never know. :lol:
Quote from: RayManZ on Aug 08, 12:46 PM 2017
Why is this so hard to understand?
Spin 1: 29
Spin 2: odd of a repeat: 1/37
Spin 1: 29
Spin 2: 15
Spin 3: odd of a repeat: 2/37
The more spins you play the greater the odd get.
Now apply this to a number repeating 2 times, 3 times, 4 times.
But it does not matter what anybody says here. Because steve can't wrap his head around it. He can't apply it to a working bet selection. So everybody else is just wrong and he is right.
The people that understand it will never fully explain it. They can only prove what they are saying is true by explaining there system fully. Nobody is going to do that.
A repeat is just the 2nd, 3rd, 4th (etc.) appearance of a number. If we bet 1 dozen it's 33% and if we decide to then bet 2 dozens, the odds change to 66%, but the payout is less. So there's nothing significant here - it's simply based on how many numbers are included, and to cover them all would mean less payout.
Quote from: RayManZ on Aug 08, 12:46 PM 2017
Why is this so hard to understand?
Spin 1: 29
Spin 2: odd of a repeat: 1/37
Spin 1: 29
Spin 2: 15
Spin 3: odd of a repeat: 2/37
The more spins you play the greater the odd get.
Now apply this to a number repeating 2 times, 3 times, 4 times.
But it does not matter what anybody says here. Because steve can't wrap his head around it. He can't apply it to a working bet selection. So everybody else is just wrong and he is right.
The people that understand it will never fully explain it. They can only prove what they are saying is true by explaining there system fully. Nobody is going to do that.
Come on guys, this is really really basic stuff. A single spin always has the same probability, but a sequence of spins can have different probabilities, depending on how long the sequence is. The classic gambler's fallacy is to wait until some sequence has partially occurred, then jump in thinking that the original probability applies to the remainder of the sequence. It doesn't. Those spins which have passed have gone, so their probability is 1. You have to calculate the probability afresh.
So for example because 10 reds are rare, it's thought that your chance of getting a win is greater if you wait for 9 of them and then bet black. If the original probability of getting at least one black in 10 spins is 99.99%, then (so the thinking goes), if you wait for 9 reds some of that probability must be "transferred" to the next bet, so although the probability of a black may not be 99.99%, it's got be more than 18/37 right?
Wrong.
QuoteRay
what if the owner, Bayes, Turner and even Falkor understand how a nice easy bet this is, that they don't wont others jumping on the wagon, so they try to confuse and make it look like it fails.
So now it's a conspiracy? Oh please... ::)
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 08, 02:40 PM 2017
Come on guys, this is really really basic stuff. A single spin always has the same probability, but a sequence of spins can have different probabilities, depending on how long the sequence is. The classic gambler's fallacy is to wait until some sequence has partially occurred, then jump in thinking that the original probability applies to the remainder of the sequence. It doesn't. Those spins which have passed have gone, so their probability is 1. You have to calculate the probability afresh.
So for example because 10 reds are rare, it's thought that your chance of getting a win is greater if you wait for 9 of them and then bet black. If the original probability of getting at least one black in 10 spins is 99.99%, then (so the thinking goes), if you wait for 9 reds some of that probability must be "transferred" to the next bet, so although the probability of a black may not be 99.99%, it's got be more than 18/37 right?
Wrong.
So now it's a conspiracy? Oh please... ::)
They aren't referring to probability over multiple spins. The above example is always for the next spin in terms of changing odds, but it's misleading. Imagine Lines:
1 Line bet = 1/6. Profit = 5
2 Line bet = 2/6. Profit = 4
3 Line bet = 3/6. Profit = 3
4 Line bet = 4/6. Profit = 2
5 Line bet = 5/6. Profit = 1
6 Line bet = 100% guaranteed. Profit = 0.
That's just a more honest, transparent, way of re-wording Priyanka and RayManZ's overrated "fact" about repeats and changing bias (described more like a magician's levitation trick - without mentioning the hidden ropes in terms of risk/reward).
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 08, 02:40 PM 2017So now it's a conspiracy? Oh please...
Took the bait hook line and sinker :lol:
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 08, 02:40 PM 2017
So now it's a conspiracy
I kneeeeeeeeeeeew it
:girl_to:
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 08, 01:34 PM 2017
Ray
what if the owner, Bayes, Turner and even Falkor understand how a nice easy bet this is, that they don't wont others jumping on the wagon, so they try to confuse and make it look like it fails.
LOL....like West Ham being a top club is a conspiracy?
who rattled your cage
Sorry...I actually like West Ham lol
Quote from: Turner on Aug 08, 05:59 PM 2017
Sorry...I actually like West Ham lol
Only because you get 6 points :thumbsup:
Coldest Line test failed as well... one dataset ended way in the + and the other way in the -. Perhaps the streets test was due to variance, as the negative edge is very small anyhow. And why would it work on Streets and not Lines? Priyanka's favourite group is the lines, so I think there isn't enough to go on here. As I said, I tested hot many times, and the only findings were with the positions stream. Perhaps TurboGenius is using a parallel stream, but just isn't saying... I leave you with another quote from reddwarf, whom I consider the number 1 authority on Roulette:
Quote from: reddwarf1. Betting on an unique does not work (=guessing game)
2. Betting on a repeat is not going to work (=guessing game)
Quote from: reddwarf on Feb 10, 05:53 AM 2012I found it a really tough journey to free myself from the black hole of "waiting for an event to happen" for example: you can try to bet on repeats, but this is nothing more than a guessing game (hence a loosing proposition); not that repeats can not be used...
Reddwarf also had this to say about the multiple repeats / progression method - similar to what's being promoted by Turbo:
Quote from: reddwarf on Dec 07, 05:48 AM 2010win probability: 99. 74%, but because it is a progression, a loss will hammer you. So if a different approach would be needed here.
Anyway, it was worth a try.
And I will finish by saying the same thing: it was worth a try - but I seriously doubt it's viable without a parallel stream...
Falkor, no surprise with your findings, it's random.
About parallel stream, here's the one I tested (single zero) -
1. Timing - start immediately after the 14unhit/23hits
2. Parallel streams - left/right and top/bottom of wheel
3. Parallel streams - if one side has a >=+3 over the other side and not not more than 15 (check at point 1, if not skip to start with new spins), ignore zero
4. Where there both l/r and t/b show similar bias gap, choose the one that came in earliest, (always choose the larger gap)
5. Bet hits (chosen hot side numbers) for repeats to hit 3times then stop. If loss -3 stop
6. Break-even - If there're already 2 repeats and the net profit/loss is in positive, do not go for the bet for the 3rd repeat if the net positive balance is reduced to zero
There you have it, no secrets no big deal. Now, will this hold up tested over a large sample IDK. Can somebody kindly test this, post the results ? If it fails as well I'm not surprise, it's worth a try. Thanks
Quotewhom I consider the number 1 authority on Roulette:
@falkor...where can i read his teachings..thx
Here's the Nickmsi spreadsheet that I expanded for the above. You can test whatever parallel stream by changing the lookup table on the far right. Let us know what you find.
As I told you guys earlier I don't read threads. Since I'm noticed the Repeaters thread today I read it to find notto referenced to another thread started by Colbster "Are there really 37 outcomes". Colbster's explanation is exactly what I had in mind, and Falkor's streams idea comes into play. I noticed it on notto's charts that he posted here. If you're looking for a crytal clear explanation read Colbster's post on that thread especially about the number of numbers to payout and the calculations stuff. Winkel posted the distribution table. You guys were already on it 3 yrs ago. And what guided me to 14/23 ? WTF !
Quote from: cht on Aug 09, 11:28 AM 2017
As I told you guys earlier I don't read threads. Since I'm noticed the Repeaters thread today I read it to find notto referenced to another thread started by Colbster "Are there really 37 outcomes". Colbster's explanation is exactly what I had in mind, and Falkor's streams idea comes into play. I noticed it on notto's charts that he posted here. If you're looking for a crytal clear explanation read Colbster's post on that thread. Winkel posted the distribution table. You guys were already on it 3 yrs ago. WTF !
I was thinking about that yesterday and today. The only way Turbo might be winning on single stream numbers instead of dozens is if he's somehow taking advantage of those last few outcomes that aren't really outcomes at all - only occurs in numbers and not in single/double streets or dozens, etc.
I'm still trying to understand your suggested method above, but it seems a little complicated in terms of a trigger? Not sure if I understand it clearly enough yet to begin a test.
Colbster described it clearly in post #17 & #19. The only thing I don't agree with him is the cycles where he erases off from the earlier hit number to start a new cycle.
If you do that the old cycle is still in play, that means what happens in the old cycle(good or bad) may still influence the current cycle - you're using the spins on a rolling basis. Why not start with a fresh set of spins, I recommend moving over to a new wheel, they have 20-24spins on the board already so no waiting time. But then the current wheel might favour the repeaters ldk. ;D
Quote from: Steve on Jan 27, 08:12 PM 2017
You have the hg denzie?
One system is no better than another because it's all random accuracy betting. Same odds, same payouts, same thing.
I want to be proven wrong.
So your hobby is fishing for the hg by goading them with future adulation? I don't care if Turbo has figured it out or not but you went along with him on here till you decided that he was just a baiter which he very well may be by your def.
Regardless, I think we need to redefined that word and acknowledge, in spirit, who the actual baiters are.
On the flip side it baffles me why people come on here to lay out vague machinations that no can and should follow, only to string them in the end or something.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 09, 09:54 PM 2017So your hobby is fishing for the hg by goading them with future adulation?
Huh? Don't make it needlessly complicated. When something is inaccurate, I'll explain why.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 09, 09:54 PM 2017I don't care if Turbo has figured it out or not but you went along with him on here till you decided that he was just a baiter which he very well may be by your def.
Actually I specifically said I dont believe he's a baiter. It's a simple case of him being wrong.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 09, 09:54 PM 2017Regardless, I think we need to redefined that word and acknowledge, in spirit, who the actual baiters are.
There are no active "baiters" here at the moment.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 09, 09:54 PM 2017On the flip side it baffles me why people come on here to lay out vague machinations that no can and should follow, only to string them in the end or something.
Historically we know why. Typically for attention and ego, at the expense of others.
QuoteThere are no active "baiters" here at the moment.
only suckers... :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 10:26 AM 2017
Here we go again. Im just trying to protect my system selling business and cant stand to see the hg exist, right?
Or how about turbo started this by posing questions for anyone to answer, and Im answering.
Im a player before seller of anything and if turbo has something better than what I have, then Id like to use it. I give my best methods free then players pay me part of winnings. Dont assume my focus is only what you see.
As for all this, it is perhaps an unpopular fact that so far Turbos statements are inaccurate. Ive explained why already, but its not being understood. So once turbo answers my wuestions, I can propose some testing to see if I actually know what Im talking about, or Turbo has something thats not clasdic fallacy.
Lets put aside the snide comments and let proper testing prevail, agreed?
Im interested in the truth, whatever it may be. I am not bound to what i think i know. I open to any change in my understanding. But when im told 1+1=400 im going to keep an open mind, but still carefully investigate the claim with a proper approach.
No. They got it all wrong. You DO want the hg to exist (Considering the current state of counter tactics) And you want it on the cheap/free because you think Turbo would go through that trouble of testing it with millions of spins because he's a good sport sharing his time and effort.
The galls. TG doesn't owe any of these people anything, you included. Correction, at you giving away your method. More like licensing out your device indefinitely to go play for profit sharing. You have a way with words. Also, I didn't know proper business goes hand in hand with socialism here.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 09, 10:44 PM 2017You DO want the hg to exist
Yeah, so what? Dont you also want it to exist?
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 09, 10:44 PM 2017And you want it on the cheap/free
I have offered a price, if there are no HGs or no takers, big whoop. I'll still sleep.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 09, 10:44 PM 2017you think Turbo would go through that trouble of testing it with millions of spins because he's a good sport sharing his time and effort.
Millions of spins?
And dont overcomplicate it. Simply he made inaccurate claims and misled people, so I just explained the mistakes.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 09, 10:44 PM 2017TG doesn't owe any of these people anything, you included
Yeah we all know that. Again dont over-complicate it. When inaccurate claims are made, some people correct them. I dont care if he shares or not.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 09, 10:44 PM 2017Correction, at you giving away your method.
Initial investment and risk of being scammed is what people fear most. The point is they pay me nothing to start.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 09, 10:44 PM 2017Also, I didn't know proper business goes hand in hand with socialism here.
You are missing the point and making things more than what they are.
Well here's hoping no one is desperate/stupid enough to relinquish their proprietary rights for pennies to the dollar on here.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 09, 06:38 AM 2017
I leave you with another quote from reddwarf, whom I consider the number 1 authority on Roulette:
Why do members think certain people are "authorities"? Only because they claim they have the HG. They say that this doesn't work or that doesn't work, but they never tell you what
does work, only drop vague hints. I consider the number 1 authority to be math, because it's always right. >:D
And the rule about no baiting has nothing to do with socialism. It doesn't say if you have the HG you should post it because everyone has the "right" to know it, only that IF you claim you have but only post endless hints, you should expect to be moderated.
Mr Bayes
you are probably correct that
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 10, 03:19 AM 2017you consider the number 1 authority to be math, because it's always right. >:D
But that wheel does not know, it has to obey these laws or you'd be a winner >:D
The wheel doesnt know or care. The winning number is just cause and effect. And math is an expression of the same thing. It means random accuracy = long term loss.
Its not complicated. Its not a case where the wheel doesnt know about rules, so doesnt need to follow rules.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 10, 05:36 AM 2017
The wheel doesnt know or care. The winning number is just cause and effect. And math is an expression of the same thing. It means random accuracy = long term loss.
Its not complicated. Its not a case where the wheel doesnt know about rules, so doesnt need to follow rules.
so why make such a song about it
Wally
1st game bet fred, take 1st profit, as we are unsure of Turbo/dezies method, so who's to say play this way is wrong.
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If carry on with 4 units on R3 be 40 units down that profit is going, only need some more to go R3 and that black hole is there.
Steve please don't waffle on about accuracy or the math
If you start as mentioned bet at spin 1, using 1 unit over the 1st cycle, dont this cycle need 703 units, if thats correct then 20 wins of value 36 units are needed to win.(720)
Now is the LOTT a recognised piece of math, who cares :lol: it is said you'll likely get 23/24/25 non-hit come, so lets take the usual quoted 24 and 13 pockets never hit, which become those repeats that hotties are aiming for.
As we're using 1unit, the 1,2,3 prog, when a number hits, we dont have a new number to bet, but place it on the repeat, so we've increased to 2 units of the 1,2,3 prog, if we went to 5 units, the cycle value has now changed further than the 703 units, would a late win on all pockets being bet at 5 units make a profit ? look at the bet fred sheet black hole looming
Just got wood steve so i wondered who to jizz, jizzed your last post for the fun of it
Hey Bayes,
I think this has been asked before but, what math?
What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. - William James
Again Wally if you've had chance to look at your e-mail, this is in PP paddy power.
Now this machine is minimum .25p unit, what i like as it increaments in 1 all the way, not like the other FOBT roulette games where after reaching a £1 unit it then goes to £2, not £1.25
It also shows hot/cold #'s and when the zero last appeared.
So on the marquee is latest spin 22
22
07
24
05
24
20
20
27
18
28
34
19
20
13
10
11
Now #24 is shown as 1 of the 5 hotties, dont remember the others, but zero is cold and has missed for 19 spins as i start, ok.
Look whos showing, so is it just a ploy showing the hot/cold.
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I walked with +32 just watching for bets whether non-hit or repeats using the trot of the starting 37#'s, but as i always say take the 1st profit and start again.
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 10, 06:24 AM 2017
Just got wood steve so i wondered who to jizz, jizzed your last post for the fun of it
Don't get into a jizzwar with me. We can't keep jizzing all over the place.
Quote from: 3Nine on Aug 10, 07:05 AM 2017
Hey Bayes,
I think this has been asked before but, what math?
What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. - William James
Hi 3Nine, what do you mean what math? Basic probability.
That quote applies to psychology, which is about subjectivity. There are such things as objective facts too which are beyond opinion.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 10, 09:37 AM 2017
Hi 3Nine, what do you mean what math? Basic probability.
That quote applies to psychology, which is about subjectivity. There are such things as objective facts too which are beyond opinion.
Actually, it's a
fact of life but we don't need to get into that here.
What if there's something that uses math but cannot be proven (via formal proof), yet? So, it's no longer an opinion because it works (fact). Just a thought... oh, there we go again being subjective, I guess.
I'm having one last look at number repeat levels across 37 spins:
R1 12 R2 16
R1 5 R2 18 R3 30
R1 13 R2 26
R1 8 R2 18
R1 8 R2 24 R3 31
R1 10 R2 23 R3 36
R1 8 R2 15 R3 20
R1 6 R2 7 R3 14 R4 17
R1 8 R2 25
R1 7 R2 16 R3 25 R4 30
R1 3 R2 29
R1 5 R2 16 R3 34
R1 2 R2 15 R3 31
R1 6 R2 19 R3 32
R1 10 R2 11 R3 33
R1 13 R2 18
R1 5 R2 10 R3 22
R1 12 R2 13
R1 5 R2 10 R3 14 R4 31
R1 8 R2 12 R3 35
R1 9 R2 25
R1 9 R2 18 R3 24
R1 10 R2 16 R3 26
R1 8 R2 14 R3 36
R1 12 R2 23
R1 2 R2 25 R3 36
R1 11 R2 18
All seem to be having 2 repeats. Most get to 3 repeats and some get to 4 repeats (2nd column is spin number).
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 10, 03:19 AM 2017
Why do members think certain people are "authorities"? Only because they claim they have the HG. They say that this doesn't work or that doesn't work, but they never tell you what does work, only drop vague hints. I consider the number 1 authority to be math, because it's always right. >:D
And the rule about no baiting has nothing to do with socialism. It doesn't say if you have the HG you should post it because everyone has the "right" to know it, only that IF you claim you have but only post endless hints, you should expect to be moderated.
Armchair psych take:
Anyone who gives a term and price for a purportedly hg is instantly a fraud. If it's too cheap, we all know it's phony; if it's a million dollars, they're clearly insane since it doesn't exist.
Anyone who seemingly layout their system template for all to see, is for some reason, seen as potentially pure and honest and given a chance to prove himself. Cause hey, maybe it does exist.
Yet there is zero correlation from legitimacy to whether they prefer to share or put a money value to it.
Free = we very could have the hg here folks.
Not free = scam - don't even bother.
Def of insanity, exercise in futility, cuckoo... Cuckoo....
P.s. Is it wrong to admit that, subconsciously, folks want things relatively easily no matter how far reaching it could be, e.g., millions of dollars, the hg, Kate Upton. Unless your Tom Cruise, some chap who cracked the code, or Justin Verlander (rich pro baseball player shagging Kate) respectively, it may be a tad of a stretch. Yet we soldier on. (Editorial we)
Quote from: celescliff on Aug 04, 10:43 AM 2017
Here you go cht, the ones you requested:
In 37 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with four hits: 134963 / 270270
Percentage: 49%
In 74 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with five hits: 122565 / 135135
Percentage: 90%
I think this topic has a lot of stats that are not really useful - just leads everyone astray - and I've been getting lots of emails from people running around like headless chickens trying to crack Turbo's method. We know that we can expect 4x to get to 5x in 74 spins or 2s to get to 3s in 37 spins, but the crucial thing that everyone seems oblivious to: sometimes it could take less than 10 spins - other times more than 20 spins - so any progression is going to reach table limits and eat the BR; just subtract the spins below from right to left:
R2 18 R3 30
R2 24 R3 31
R2 23 R3 36
R2 15 R3 20
R2 7 R3 14
R2 16 R3 25
R2 16 R3 34
R2 15 R3 31
R2 19 R3 32
R2 11 R3 33
R2 10 R3 22
R2 10 R3 14
R2 12 R3 35
R2 18 R3 24
R2 16 R3 26
R2 14 R3 36
R2 25 R3 36
R2 17 R3 32
R2 26 R3 36
R2 26 R3 29
R2 17 R3 21
R2 24 R3 30
R2 21 R3 29
R2 21 R3 22
R2 5 R3 35
R2 22 R3 28
R2 16 R3 26
R2 14 R3 22
R2 18 R3 36
R2 20 R3 28
Let's take 2x to 3x:Download simulation... (link:://:.rarekungfumovies.com/roulette/2sTo3s.zip)
We need to be asking ourselves 3 important questions - and they have nothing to do with progressions:
1) Can we figure out whether we should
continue betting 2s to 3s or
stop betting depending on the trot?
2) Should we bet all the numbers at repeat level 2 or just the
earliest or most
recent ones?
3) Can the
previous cycle help us with the current cycle in terms of variance?
Again, just take a look at the above sim and watch each attempt per cycle at trying to catch a repeat on the 2s to the first 3. Is there something here that can be exploited?
Falkor...I dont know how you come to your conclusions on Turbos play...in fact...I dont understand your conclusions...infact..I dont get anything you say really
Having spoke with TG on a few occasions he picks set of numbers and plays them for 38 spins.
He states that adding to the winners isnt enough, per se, to pay for the un hitting numbers by using a mild progression.
At the cycle end he makes changes by reducing (or clearing) numbers hitting on or below average. He uses a progression on the numbers hittin above average
Does he re add to the removed numbers during the second cycle? I dont know
What is his progression? I dont know
How old are you?....you dont know :o
Quote from: Turner on Aug 11, 12:43 PM 2017
Falkor...I dont know how you come to your conclusions on Turbos play...in fact...I dont understand your conclusions...infact..I dont get anything you say really
Turner. I am sure you have by now figured out that this is by design
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Now you know how I feel when Notto posts something - yet he doesn't get any flack! >:D
As #winkel used to say: "watch the trot, fellas!" :thumbsup:
8 0s 0s 0s R1 0s 0s R2 7
8 R1 0s 0s R1 0s 0s 0s R1 R2 9
6 R1 R1 0s 0s 0s R1 0s 0s R1 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 0s 0s R1 0s 0s R2 20
5 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 R1 R2 8
1 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 0s R1 R1 R1 0s R1 R1 0s 0s 0s 0s R2 19
1 0s 0s 0s R2 4
8 R1 0s R1 0s R1 R1 R1 0s R2 9
7 R2 1
8 R1 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 R1 0s 0s R1 0s R2 12
3 R1 0s 0s R1 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 R2 12
12 0s 0s 0s R1 R1 R1 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 R1 0s 0s R1 0s R2 17
2 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 0s R1 0s R1 0s R2 13
2 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 0s 0s R1 R1 R2 16
9 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 0s R1 R2 15
11 0s 0s R1 0s R1 0s 0s R1 0s 0s R2 11
1 R2 1
11 0s 0s 0s 0s 0s R1 R1 0s 0s R1 0s 0s R1 R1 0s 0s R1 0s R2 19
2 0s 0s R1 R1 0s 0s 0s R1 R1 R2 10
seriously Falkor, and no disrespect intended but what the fuck does all that mean.
I really will listen if you explain it.
It's the trot. What's the trot? Nobody knows.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 11, 05:00 PM 2017
seriously Falkor, and no disrespect intended but what the f*** does all that mean.
I really will listen if you explain it.
Trot(definition): distribution behaviour re: each permutation of random numbers.
Not my word - was used by other members long before I came here...
Quote from: 3Nine on Aug 10, 11:15 AM 2017
What if there's something that uses math but cannot be proven (via formal proof), yet? So, it's no longer an opinion because it works (fact).
That is a valid point.
The most conspicuous example that I can think of (that is roulette-related) is the Law of the Thirds (LOTT).
The LOTT cannot be rigorously proved mathematically -- but it is an empirical fact that can be observed in nearly all samples of 38-number cycles.
Whether it can be practically exploited to construct a consistently winning betting method is a different matter.
Here's an excerpt from the GUT ebook:
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One more concept of hot numbers game.
We want to play numbers that are hot now, in play only numbers that hit 2 times in the last 10 spins by 25 spins, so we only play hot numbers that are hot at the moment. Numbers will not be much.
And so I suppose, by playing a flat rate, we have no edge in long run.
In the TURBO method, the progression is still unknown.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 11, 04:17 PM 2017
Now you know how I feel when Notto posts something - yet he doesn't get any flack! >:D
Gilius-Falkor,
I agree -- Nottop's tables (because of the accompanying explanations) are as abstruse as the stuff that you post, yet you get much more flak for your efforts than he does.
Of course, one mitigating factor that works in Nottop's favor is that he doesn't advocate flat earth-related stuff ad nauseam as you do.
trot
verb
1.
(with reference to a horse or other quadruped) proceed or cause to proceed at a pace faster than a walk, lifting each diagonal pair of legs alternately.
"the horses trotted slowly through the night"
2.
(of a person) run at a moderate pace with short steps.
"the child trotted across to her obediently"
synonyms: run, jog, jogtrot, dogtrot, lope; More
noun
1.
a trotting pace.
"our horses slowed to a trot"
2.
informal
diarrhoea.
could mean <informal>2<....... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Why doesnt someone program the trot algorithm in rx then run a meaningful test? Then we can know if it's a waste of time.
define waste of time
if someone does it for 2 years successfully and is in profit then who cares what 1 million spins (which we will never play) says
"Your method is winning you money but it does not matter and does not count because you will never play enough spins that will make it lose (worth your while) "
sorry, not seeing the point of that argument. I am on turbos side with that
"you won but, but, but if you played for 3 million spins you would lose"
Caleb also loves this argument. But it is a stupid argument. " You did not play enough spins!"
if the method is effective in the short term and the variance that would make it lose requires a million spins THEN WHO CARES
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Quote from: Bayes on Aug 10, 03:19 AM 2017
Why do members think certain people are "authorities"? Only because they claim they have the HG. They say that this doesn't work or that doesn't work, but they never tell you what does work, only drop vague hints. I consider the number 1 authority to be math, because it's always right. >:D
reddwarf is the undisputed master of Roulette! If you thought you knew maths, this guy is on some next level... but logic and problem solving is more important. Red can play both normal and opposite each spin, shifted by 1, and break even each time - but profit on every repeat! When Red ain't playing Roulette, he's probably working on this project instead:
You get me? Manz don't know innit... Manz ain't ready! :lol:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 11, 05:21 PM 2017
Here's an excerpt from the GUT ebook:
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Actually, thanks. That is concise.
It could be also described like-a-dis
slow trot - distribution below expectation
fast trot - distribution above expectation
as predicted trot - normal distribution
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 11, 06:20 PM 2017If you thought you knew maths, this guy is on some next level.
lol....you cant even work out the difference between 1981 and 2017
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 11, 05:43 PM 2017
if someone does it for 2 years successfully and is in profit then who cares what 1 million spins (which we will never play) says
But do they -- in actuality?A lot of similar claims have been made in these forums over the years, so it is a justified question.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 11, 06:17 PM 2017if the method is effective in the short term and the variance that would make it lose requires a million spins THEN WHO CARES
but you dont know where you are in that million
I stand you on a trapdoor with sharp spikes below, hell, I'll throw a few walkers from the walking dead in there too.
I then tell you I will give you $100 if you stand on the trap door for 5 mins.
I then tell you it opens every 2 hours. Any questions?
"Yes, when did it last open?"........I reply "I dont know"
(I can hear them groaning..."errrrrrgh....errrrrrgh")
An addendum to my previous post:
A certain former president used to say, "Trust but verify."
There is nothing wrong with applying the above quote in this context / situation.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 11, 06:29 PM 2017
but you dont know where you are in that million
I stand you on a trapdoor with sharp spikes below, hell, I'll throw a few walkers from the walking dead in there too.
I then tell you I will give you $100 if you stand on the trap door for 5 mins.
I then tell you it opens every 2 hours. Any questions?
"Yes, when did it last open?"........I reply "I dont know"
true
but i see the not enough spins argument as rubbish
example: i do not play ktf, but I know the kind of guy notto is. i will take his word that hes been winning with it
who cares about 72 million spins
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 11, 06:32 PM 2017
i do not play ktf, but I know the kind of guy notto is. i will take his word that hes been winning with it
I do worry about people who keep saying they win with a system that clearly fails to the HE
In fairness, Notto has reported failures many times.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 11, 06:29 PM 2017
but you dont know where you are in that million
I stand you on a trapdoor with sharp spikes below, hell, I'll throw a few walkers from the walking dead in there too.
I then tell you I will give you $100 if you stand on the trap door for 5 mins.
I then tell you it opens every 2 hours. Any questions?
"Yes, when did it last open?"........I reply "I dont know"
(I can hear them groaning..."errrrrrgh....errrrrrgh")
Now make my trapdoor random and opening every 2 hours on average every 1 million hours
Quote from: Turner on Aug 11, 06:35 PM 2017In fairness, Notto has reported failures many times.
Yes it gets caught, to the suggested 50/-800, but in trying something i did say 4000 units would be what would be best to have as br, The tester Pryi gave me is excellent and with the stop loss not there it almost never losses.
I use Morts #'s and it does ok, spins posted in real roulette spins for german casinos does ok, but like in the KTF topic some member said just take the 1st profit, and he or she is not wrong, dont matter what method the longer you stay the more chance of crash and burn
Had 200+ spins on MPR trying for repeats and the spins where as smooth as you could get, nothing broke away, hit the tier then be in the neighbour to zero back down a couple in tier.
1st 28 spins 2 repeats
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 11, 11:15 AM 2017We need to be asking ourselves 3 important questions - and they have nothing to do with progressions:
1) Can we figure out whether we should continue betting 2s to 3s or stop betting depending on the trot?
1. Watching the trot is to watch the deviation as the spin unfolds. The idea is to bet for mean reversion. 2. You have various trots of unhits to hits, hit's to repeat1, repeat1 to repeat2, repeat2 to repeat 3 and so on. 3. The deeper you get, eg. repeat 2 to repeat3 and further out, the trot is more dispersed. 4. I don't see how the trot can help figure out the right decision to make. I see only random.
2) Should we bet all the numbers at repeat level 2 or just the earliest or most recent ones?
Test both types of bets separately, they're different sets of bet. If you're looking at earliest/recent, earliest is the better choice.
3) Can the previous cycle help us with the current cycle in terms of variance?
No, it can't.
Again, just take a look at the above sim and watch each attempt per cycle at trying to catch a repeat on the 2s to the first 3. Is there something here that can be exploited?
Based on just the 2s trot, not that I've seen there's nothing there to exploit, just plain random.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 11, 05:41 PM 2017
Why doesnt someone program the trot algorithm in rx then run a meaningful test? Then we can know if it's a waste of time.
The trot described in post #566 does not help, it's a waste of time. If it was anything, many would have seen the use with the various trot trackers posted on the forums. At best it gives the 'feel' of providing the better guess since we get to see the real spins versus the binomial distribution with the tendency for mean reversion to kick in. It's random.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 11, 05:43 PM 2017
define waste of time
if someone does it for 2 years successfully and is in profit then who cares what 1 million spins (which we will never play) says
I don't see the possibility of long term success. If a significant number of people use this original method to play the game, there's always those who got lucky to be in profit. And it doesn't need 1 million spins(probably 10k ?) to know it fails.
Exactly. Proper testing separates luck and legitimate effectiveness.
Quote from: cht on Aug 11, 08:53 PM 2017
The trot described in post #566 does not help, it's a waste of time.yes,it only shows repeats happened, which we know has to happen. If it was anything, many would have seen the use with the various trot trackers posted on the forums. At best it gives the 'feel'you need to track manually, to feel the trot. of providing the better guess since we get to see the real spins versus the binomial distribution with the tendency for mean reversion to kick in. It's random. but you can follow random, if you know what to look for.
Now a stupid sentence, why non-hit. Well it's obvious, when you start to play the 1st of the due 37#'s appears. How does that 1 spin help you, on outside bets? so more spins are needed.
anyway here's a take of how i watch the invisible trot, 1st 7 replies, to understand the trot, to me you need to feel whats going on, you only get that from experiance and your studying of 40 to 60 spins.
Why does 15.8 non-hit in spins 11-40 not change now, why do i see on that sheet 60 spins has avg of constant 30.5, it seems to good, drop the point, 15 non-hit in 30 spins and 30 in 60 spins.
So look at the 7 replies in link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18360.0 if you know the non-hits averages your on your way to winning, took a lot of studying methods and watching how the non-hit affect these methods, as i said for Turner last night i have had my fingers burnt along the way, but my biggets lightbulb moment came when reading GUT and to understand the crossings of non-hits i had to make a paper tracker, which i have posted with plenty of examples of the trot.
Only thing with GUT its waiting for the crossings and unless you r as smart as Mr Winkel and can watch umpteen sheets its slow, thats why i learnt the trot to see when and if a bet is favourable, be it a non-hit or for repeats.
That sheet on the opening page of ROTT is brilliant, look how old the post is, theres the avg, that avg is everywhere, Morts #'s, others posted spins, and that avg is there.
So good luck.
Quote from: Turner on Aug 11, 06:35 PM 2017In fairness, Notto has reported failures many times.
Turner and RG. This is a losing game of KTF, but it can be a winning Game, but you need the Units.
I'm not trying to justify KTF, take from it what you want, but if you except that the larger group is more likely to show, then that makes you bet non-hit, untill the 1x's get big enough to become a problem,
So again you need to know the 37 non-hits, averages.
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So this is the loser, but you could jump upto the 26th spins with various profits. But look at the non-hit count, at 26th spin we bet 20 #'s, now theres 19 left, so its 50/50 the 1x's could start to be a nuisance, so upto the 19th they avg to hit in 2 spins, its now missed the avg you look up the max to hit, your just watching you've let 2 spins go, if you started to bet, 4th bet win.
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So here we can see it climbs out the hole.
At spin 40 the non-hit are behind to countback, we're having to bet 16 non-hit, but we should have been only having to bet 14 if the 15 had come in spins 11-40. So -2 on the expected 15.
Now how many usually come in 60 spins 30.5 of the buggers. you see we're betting 16 so 21 have come, so if 30 come by 60th spin are we going to see 9 more come, answer yes as the 60th spin the the 8 is a winner, leaving just 7 to bet, so theres the 30 in 60 spins.
Now them repeats are not big blocks, what are the avg to hit and max, know that and you can walk a winner.
Quote from: cht on Aug 11, 08:37 PM 2017We need to be asking ourselves 3 important questions - and they have nothing to do with progressions:
1) Can we figure out whether we should continue betting 2s to 3s or stop betting depending on the trot?
1. Watching the trot is to watch the deviation as the spin unfolds. The idea is to bet for mean reversion. 2. You have various trots of unhits to hits, hit's to repeat1, repeat1 to repeat2, repeat2 to repeat 3 and so on. 3. The deeper you get, eg. repeat 2 to repeat3 and further out, the trot is more dispersed. 4. I don't see how the trot can help figure out the right decision to make. I see only random.
2) Should we bet all the numbers at repeat level 2 or just the earliest or most recent ones?
Test both types of bets separately, they're different sets of bet. If you're looking at earliest/recent, earliest is the better choice.
3) Can the previous cycle help us with the current cycle in terms of variance?
No, it can't.
Again, just take a look at the above sim and watch each attempt per cycle at trying to catch a repeat on the 2s to the first 3. Is there something here that can be exploited?
Based on just the 2s trot, not that I've seen there's nothing there to exploit, just plain random.
You sound like a shill trying to stop the public from discovering the golden goose! :D Don't worry. Since nobody even knows about the flat earth, ignores all factual evidence that is posted about the flat earth and roulette, they certainly won't listen to anything I say, so there's no danger.
Here you are the sheet, no need to lie, or be fooling my self.
3/8/17 +50 spin 15
4//8/17 lose but you could win
5/8/17 +57 spin 16
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 12, 02:49 AM 2017So look at the 7 replies in link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18360.0 if you know the non-hits averages your on your way to winning, took a lot of studying methods and watching how the non-hit affect these methods, as i said for Turner last night i have had my fingers burnt along the way, but my biggets lightbulb moment came when reading GUT and to understand the crossings of non-hits i had to make a paper tracker, which i have posted with plenty of examples of the trot.
Only thing with GUT its waiting for the crossings and unless you r as smart as Mr Winkel and can watch umpteen sheets its slow, thats why i learnt the trot to see when and if a bet is favourable, be it a non-hit or for repeats.
#Winkel and Notto were right all along - sing along with me:
"Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..." (link:://simpleicon.com/wp-content/uploads/music-note-5-256x256.png) (link:://simpleicon.com/wp-content/uploads/music-note-5-256x256.png)
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 12, 03:46 AM 2017
You sound like a shill trying to stop the public from discovering the golden goose! :D Don't worry. Since nobody even knows about the flat earth, ignores all factual evidence that is posted about the flat earth and roulette, they certainly won't listen to anything I say, so there's no danger.
You asked I answered according to the test I did
based solely on unhits, hits, repeat1, repeat2......the binomial distribution and nothing else. If you or anyone else found something different, post clear rules here, I will test it.
As to the parallel streams you suggested earlier, then yes there's something and my tests confirmed it. If you or anyone wants to go down the rabbit hole, this is the path.
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 12, 02:49 AM 2017
Now a stupid sentence, why non-hit. Well it's obvious, when you start to play the 1st of the due 37#'s appears. How does that 1 spin help you, on outside bets? so more spins are needed.
anyway here's a take of how i watch the invisible trot, 1st 7 replies, to understand the trot, to me you need to feel whats going on, you only get that from experiance and your studying of 40 to 60 spins.
Why does 15.8 non-hit in spins 11-40 not change now, why do i see on that sheet 60 spins has avg of constant 30.5, it seems to good, drop the point, 15 non-hit in 30 spins and 30 in 60 spins.
So look at the 7 replies in link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18360.0 if you know the non-hits averages your on your way to winning, took a lot of studying methods and watching how the non-hit affect these methods, as i said for Turner last night i have had my fingers burnt along the way, but my biggets lightbulb moment came when reading GUT and to understand the crossings of non-hits i had to make a paper tracker, which i have posted with plenty of examples of the trot.
Only thing with GUT its waiting for the crossings and unless you r as smart as Mr Winkel and can watch umpteen sheets its slow, thats why i learnt the trot to see when and if a bet is favourable, be it a non-hit or for repeats.
That sheet on the opening page of ROTT is brilliant, look how old the post is, theres the avg, that avg is everywhere, Morts #'s, others posted spins, and that avg is there.
So good luck.
I agree about the non-hits. Repeat1, repeat2 and so on gets a lot more dispersed, I'm sure we all observed that. Colbster, winkel, yourself and some other guys were on that trail 3yrs ago. That thread just went cold, Colbster didn't follow up on the loose end he mentioned about another thread, no progress ?
Quote from: cht on Aug 12, 05:41 AM 2017
I agree about the non-hits. Repeat1, repeat2 and so on gets a lot more dispersed, I'm sure we all observed that. Colbster, winkel, yourself and some other guys were on that trail 3yrs ago. That thread just went cold, Colbster didn't follow up on the loose end he mentioned about another thread, no progress ?
But what will help to win is keep singing Falkors ditty
QuoteYou sound like a shill trying to stop the public from discovering the golden goose! :D Don't worry. Since nobody even knows about the flat earth, ignores all factual evidence that is posted about the flat earth and roulette, they certainly won't listen to anything I say, so there's no danger.
You still dont get it. People dont listen because you are usually very vague and cryptic. And with things you are clear about, you're incorrect.
For example, I asked for your best proof of flat earth crap and you referred me to videos. And with one exception, every piece of proof was a load of shit showing very poor understanding, and pathetic logic. Flat earthers are some of the dumbest people I have ever seen. Its not an attempt to insult. It is a fact.
What i find most alarming is real people still cant see the facts right in front of their face. It shouldnt be so hard.
The only arguments i found valid are the satellite photos. But they are not proof of flat earth. Its more likely something like partial image stitching.
And there is no conspiracy by people here to hide your HG. The truth is simpler... You are wrong, and people explain your mistakes.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 12, 04:00 AM 2017
#Winkel and Notto were right all along - sing along with me: "Trotity trot, trotity trot, the noughts became overtly hot! Merily, merily, merily, merily, the 2s went gently down the stream..." (link:://simpleicon.com/wp-content/uploads/music-note-5-256x256.png) (link:://simpleicon.com/wp-content/uploads/music-note-5-256x256.png)
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No baiting - check
No scamming - check
No bravado - check
No selling of system legit or otherwise - check
Endless futile attempts to convince oneself that Turbos method is objective when it's clearly subjective and based on hunches (on what repeats to use prog on) - check
Hopefully he'll make enough for a decent nest egg before it catches up to him if at all. The rest of you folks, have you even set foot onto an oxygen pumped, cigarette infused atmosphere of the inside of a casino yet or do you just go by what you see on the TV/Internet?
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 12, 02:24 PM 2017
No baiting - check
No scamming - check
No bravado - check
No selling of system legit or otherwise - check
Endless futile attempts to convince oneself that Turbos method is objective when it's clearly subjective and based on hunches (on what repeats to use prog on) - check
Hopefully he'll make enough for a decent nest egg before it catches up to him if at all. The rest of you folks, have you even set foot onto an oxygen pumped, cigarette infused atmosphere of the inside of a casino yet or do you just go by what you see on the TV/Internet?
But wait..all is not lost....you have something for us? ( PM only)
Quote from: Turner on Aug 12, 02:58 PM 2017
But wait..all is not lost....you have something for us? ( PM only)
No pm's. Full transparency: just fascinated by this hobby.
Moxy, you've missed the point.
If someone claims to have the hg but cites test results from a rigged game that gives the player a strong edge.... should we highlight their mistake, or ignore it and let people believe baloney?
Quote from: Steve on Aug 12, 08:01 PM 2017If someone claims to have the hg but cites test results from a rigged game that gives the player a strong edge.... should we highlight their mistake, or ignore it and let people believe baloney?
Define "rigged"
Please contact Parx Online and ask them how their RNG works.
The results have been completely fair compared to actual spins.
I've proven without a doubt that nothing is set up or rigged for a player to either win or lose.
Everyone who is on "your" side - for whatever reason - has said the same thing.
"toy wheel", "rigged site", "unrealistic results", "set up for players to win", "set up for players to lose"
and your complete misunderstanding that bonus $ or log-in $ somehow affects your ranking on the leaderboard, even though I explained it thoroughly.
To be honest - and without the baloney - I'm the only one who's proven anything.
By all means - like I told the others... start a free account and have at it.
Show me a few weeks of consistent top 10 finishes - throw in some #1 finishes - for months....
It should be easy, it's all rigged. You can't lose right ?
See - that's where the baloney comments really are.. I've shown my results every week, over time -
(others have as well - have you noticed ?)
But it won't matter because of trying to figure out "how", you're too busy with "why".
You're only answer to "why" is to make excuses that will never be verified because the "how" doesn't matter
to you. It's fair - ask them. Play/record your own results even.. whatever you choose.
The only mistake you've managed to "highlight" is that you don't know how it's done - and this is more than enough proof for you that it's "baloney".
Most thinking people see otherwise.
Bago keeps claiming that Celtic is a much better "test" because you can't make multiple accounts, you can't "reload" your balance, there's no bonus points, it's a live wheel and dealer.....
Should I post my balance there ? Do I perform like a monkey so that you can say :
"It's not real money", "You can't do that in a real casino", "The video feed is rigged"... add on 20 others that people will come up with.
There's no point in discussing it really. People have actually figured most of it out - enough of it.
Everyone left behind yelling "RIGGED !" and "FAKE" - don't really change a single thing.
Or keep pointing at "maths" that clearly shows in a random game there will be repeats.
You can't lose a single dollar by not betting on a number that never shows up..
If you've been reading what's been written then you might actually see how it works.
There won't be any "proof" that's acceptable - hence it's a waste of my time to do it over and over.
Hey Turbo,
Have you played at GN online or Betfair NJ?
Betfair recently licensed the same Live dealer setup from GN.
Good stuff.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 13, 09:05 AM 2017
There won't be any "proof" that's acceptable - hence it's a waste of my time to do it over and over.
That's the big forum secret
Quote from: 3Nine on Aug 13, 09:46 AM 2017Hey Turbo,
Have you played at GN online or Betfair NJ?
I have an account at Golden Nugget set up and ready. I wanted to start in July but that didn't happen lol.
It's a shame that there is such a small selection of onlines that are legal in this state to play, but it is what it is.
I sent them emails asking questions but they don't seem too concerned in getting back to me.
It's almost less hassle to drive to Parx in PA, it's not that far for me and so far the results have been good.
I'm a once or twice per month player - there's no need to do more than that really.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 13, 10:52 AM 2017
I have an account at Golden Nugget set up and ready. I wanted to start in July but that didn't happen lol.
It's a shame that there is such a small selection of onlines that are legal in this state to play, but it is what it is.
I sent them emails asking questions but they don't seem too concerned in getting back to me.
It's almost less hassle to drive to Parx in PA, it's not that far for me and so far the results have been good.
I'm a once or twice per month player - there's no need to do more than that really.
Cool. Betfair is pretty responsive. I'm a half hour from Parx. Hour from AC.
will be at borgata labor day weekend
Quote from: TurboGenius on Aug 13, 09:05 AM 2017
Should I post my balance there ? Do I perform like a monkey so that you can say :
"It's not real money",
Dont tell them the holy grail or I will kill you :thumbsup:
Turbo i already explained it all. Please check my earlier posts.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Aug 13, 11:24 AM 2017Dont tell them the holy grail or I will kill you
lol
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Aug 13, 11:16 AM 2017will be at borgata labor day weekend
Cool ! Maybe we can meet up and say hi.
Don't tell anyone about how tall and good looking I am though, I don't want that info getting out lol
Lol.
It's a bachelor party. So if you want to get crazy haha
We are gonna shoot some craps (for fun) and definitely hit the roulette wheels
Quote from: Steve on Aug 12, 08:01 PM 2017
Moxy, you've missed the point.
If someone claims to have the hg but cites test results from a rigged game that gives the player a strong edge.... should we highlight their mistake, or ignore it and let people believe baloney?
Strange hobby; seemingly relying on other people to do all the homework and even having the galls to critique when it's not up to par in your mind.
Sorry Moxy, you are right. I apologize. It's me who doesn't understand primary school math.
Turbo really has the HG. Parxonline giving Turbo free credits every day just for logging in gives him no edge whatsoever. In fact all casinos give you free money just for walking in the door.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 13, 07:18 PM 2017
Sorry Moxy, you are right. I apologize. It's me who doesn't understand primary school math.
Turbo really has the HG. Parxonline giving Turbo free credits every day just for logging in gives him no edge whatsoever. In fact all casinos give you free money just for walking in the door.
Yet you so want to believe 'magic' is indeed real like the everyone else. The fascinating human psyche. Frankly, I think he plays subjectively, so not sure if and when the drawdown to end all drawdown will come. Who knows some intuition are better than others and that's what keeping him afloat.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 13, 07:27 PM 2017Yet you so want to believe 'magic' is indeed real like the everyone else
Sure I'd love to believe hocus pocus without any substantiating information. But I live in the real world, and need substantiating information.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 13, 07:27 PM 2017Frankly, I think he plays subjectively
Uh yeah, I totally agree. Mathematics is entirely a matter of opinion.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 13, 07:27 PM 2017Who knows some intuition are better than others and that's what keeping him afloat
I already explained the math of parxonline. That's what is keeping him afloat. If it were intuition, that's not the "beat roulette math with math" system he described.
Keep in mind i would like his system to be the hg. But I'm not going to ignore basic math and logic.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 13, 07:47 PM 2017
Sure I'd love to believe hocus pocus without any substantiating information. But I live in the real world, and need substantiating information.
Uh yeah, I totally agree. Mathematics is entirely a matter of opinion.
I already explained the math of parxonline. That's what is keeping him afloat. If it were intuition, that's not the "beat roulette math with math" system he described.
One foot in, one foot out, for you huh. I didn't want to step on his toe hence the 'he plays subjectively' part meaning the math checks out that it still can't be overcome. Doesn't matter what repeat number, how many numbers, what prog to use... I'm perplexed you even thought otherwise, otherwise you wouldn't be asking him to test it. I'm not an idiot.
Strange dichotomy you have here: reasonable yet hoping for 'magic' to strike.
Actually I didnt ask him to test it. He started a thread offering clues that were like "proof of concept". It had nothing to do with me. I was just one of the people paying attention. But his clues and information was incorrect. I was one of a few people that highlighted the problems. Then he attempted to prove his system works by testing on parxonline. But the player has a strong positive advantage at parxonline. I explained the math behind it. It has nothing to do with the money not being real.
Im sorry you dont really know what you're talking about. I dont want to argue about it. If you think his method has merit, then learn what you can from him and try to figure out his system.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 13, 08:13 PM 2017
Actually I didnt ask him to test it. He started a thread offering clues that were like "proof of concept". It had nothing to do with me. I was just one of the people paying attention. But his clues and information was incorrect. I was one of a few people that highlighted the problems. Then he attempted to prove his system works by testing on parxonline. But the player has a strong positive advantage at parxonline. I explained the math behind it. It has nothing to do with the money not being real.
Im sorry you dont really know what you're talking about. I dont want to argue about it. If you think his method has merit, then learn what you can from him and try to figure out his system.
Knowing not to declare anything on here as to not disrupt the culture (this forum), I'll just say, no thanks, I'm good.
Quote from: Moxy on Aug 13, 08:32 PM 2017Knowing not to declare anything on here as to not disrupt the culture (this forum)
The culture is diversified. A variety of people with different aims and interests with roulette. There is no specific culture.
If you are insinuating you know something I dont know about Turbo's methods, and that revealing it will upset people...
... good for you.
Quote from: Steve on Aug 13, 08:50 PM 2017
The culture is diversified. A variety of people with different aims and interests with roulette. There is no specific culture.
If you are insinuating you know something I dont know about Turbo's methods, and that revealing it will upset people...
... good for you.
No, turbos method doesn't check out for me. You are right from the start, imo. But I hope his intuition is good enough to carry him. Digressing, I guess you miss the point.
You didn't clearly define the "culture". Anyway doesn't matter. Like I said, there are a variety of different players on the forum. Math guys, system players, APs or whatever.
On the note of Turbo, again I have nothing against the guy. We've disagreed with some things but who cares. Anyway no need to go in circles. There's enough information for anyone to make up their own mind.
OK, so I blind-folded myself and put my arms behind my back by removing all parallel streams and placing a ban on High, Low, Dozens, Lines, Streets (etc.), trying to come up with a basic concept or rule that Turbo may be applying to his Numbers-only strategy - based simply on hot/cold/progression. Unfortunately, I failed on all counts, but in the process I did discover some new stats that may or may not help:
(link:s://s22.postimg.org/8kh17noz5/2nd_Repeat.png)
Seems like your learning now, just look at reply 36 in strategy help :thumbsup:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 14, 05:32 AM 2017
OK, so I blind-folded myself and put my arms behind my back by removing all parallel streams and placing a ban on High, Low, Dozens, Lines, Streets (etc.), trying to come up with a basic concept or rule that Turbo may be applying to his Numbers-only strategy - based simply on hot/cold/progression. Unfortunately, I failed on all counts, but in the process I did discover some new stats that may or may not help:
(link:s://s22.postimg.org/8kh17noz5/2nd_Repeat.png)
Not surprise. This might be helpful for those who follow the trot to play hot/cold/progression. Have fun.
Quote from: cht on Aug 14, 07:28 AM 2017This might be helpful for those who follow the trot
Now we have a math wizard here, is there a TROT or no trot as spins are independent
Come on someone,lets get this trot malarkey sorted once and for all.
spin 1
spin 2
spin 3 is that a trot or independent spins.
If independent then how do you build methods to play on 1 spin
so 5 mins gone
well i'll go for the trot or as Winkel said march, so here we have trot/march of what ?, the starting 37#'s.
So is it possible to learn the Riddle Of The Trot? answer yes
Quote from: cht on Aug 14, 07:28 AM 2017
Not surprise. This might be helpful for those who follow the trot to play hot/cold/progression. Have fun.
Thanks, but what does hit payout ratio mean?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 14, 08:17 AM 2017
Thanks, but what does hit payout ratio mean?
Example, there're 12unhit numbers to play for hit.
Payout = 35chips paid -12chips played + 1chip returned = 24 net chips
hit payout ratio = Payout / 12chips played = 2
Interpretation : the win payout will pay for 2 loss bets.
Usage : Example, You might get a high probability bet but the hit payout ratio is low, this makes the bet risky.....
Note the number rises and falls as the pool of numbers contract and expand
Quote from: cht on Aug 14, 08:32 AM 2017
Example, there're 12unhit numbers to play for hit.
Payout = 35chips paid -12chips played + 1chip returned = 24 net chips
hit payout ratio = Payout / 12chips played = 2
Interpretation : the win payout will pay for 2 loss bets.
Usage : Example, You might get a high probability bet but the hit payout ratio is low, this makes the bet risky.....
Note the number rises and falls as the pool of numbers contract and expand
And your doing all this in the B+M
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 14, 08:42 AM 2017
And your doing all this in the B+M
Yup, this style of play monitoring expected probability against hit payout ratio updated to the latest outcome. I have it graphically plotted with alerts played on bacs.
Quote from: cht on Aug 14, 08:45 AM 2017
Yup, this style of play monitoring expected probability against hit payout ratio updated to the latest outcome. I have it graphically plotted with alerts played on bacs.
well when i have made the odd 40 mile trip and they see a clipboard they ask what i'm doing so with a laptop god forbid what would happen, thoughts of MrJ, come to mind.
As an experiment, I decided to wait for 28 hit numbers and then bet the remaining 9 numbers on a rolling spin by spin basis.
Pretty simple really, when you get one of the 9 sleepers, just cross out the furthest back number on your list and you will always have 28 originals. When you get a repeat, make sure to cross out the furthest back repeat. I was interested in what the W/L registry would look like.
Here it is..... (These numbers were from Table 2 yesterday at Wiesbaden.)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LL (2)
WW (2)
LLL (3)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLLLL (6)
WWW (3)
LL (2)
WWW (3)
LLLL (4)
WW (2)
LLLL (4)
WW (2)
LLLLLLLL (8
WW (2)
LLLLLLL (7)
WWW (3)
LL (2)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLL (3)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLLLLLLL (10)
WW (2)
L (1)
WW (2)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLL (4)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLL (4)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLLL (6)
102 losses x 9 = 918
41 wins x 27 = 1107
profit = 189
Wait till only 9 non-hits then bet the non-hits? For how many spins? Why are you getting 5,6 or 10 losses? What exactly are the rules each set and why would you expect the final profit to be based on edge instead of variance?
I doubt if any of these stats can break the unfair payout odds without breaking the bank:
(link:s://s24.postimg.org/c3p4z3m9h/2nd_Repeatmax.png)
Quote from: wiggy on Aug 14, 09:56 AM 2017
As an experiment, I decided to wait for 28 hit numbers and then bet the remaining 9 numbers on a rolling spin by spin basis.
Pretty simple really, when you get one of the 9 sleepers, just cross out the furthest back number on your list and you will always have 28 originals. When you get a repeat, make sure to cross out the furthest back repeat. I was interested in what the W/L registry would look like.
Here it is..... (These numbers were from Table 2 yesterday at Wiesbaden.)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LL (2)
WW (2)
LLL (3)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLLLL (6)
WWW (3)
LL (2)
WWW (3)
LLLL (4)
WW (2)
LLLL (4)
WW (2)
LLLLLLLL (8
WW (2)
LLLLLLL (7)
WWW (3)
LL (2)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLL (3)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLLLLLLL (10)
WW (2)
L (1)
WW (2)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLL (4)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LL (2)
W (1)
LLLL (4)
W (1)
LLLLL (5)
W (1)
L (1)
W (1)
LLLLLL (6)
102 losses x 9 = 918
41 wins x 27 = 1107
profit = 189
Looks like betting the remaining 9 is better than any random 9 you'd like to pick, Priyanka posed this once and excepted the example for betting the remaining.
The ? is what is the max spins those 9 could miss, on J247 it's 17 spins and FOBT, rng is 23, 17 spins once in 420 games and 23 once in 650 games
How's it going Notto?
A few years ago when I was looking at this sort of stuff, I noticed how the remaining 9 numbers could come in a flurry until the very last few of the 37. In my example above, waiting for one of the 9 missing to hit and then betting for another to hit (and another etc...) still produced a good profit. That way you avoid any long potential losing strings.
Thanks wiggy
flat betting both J247 and rng on the FOBT, are todate in profit, could we say that for a random 9
Quote from: wiggy on Aug 14, 11:18 AM 2017
How's it going Notto?
A few years ago when I was looking at this sort of stuff, I noticed how the remaining 9 numbers could come in a flurry until the very last few of the 37. In my example above, waiting for one of the 9 missing to hit and then betting for another to hit (and another etc...) still produced a good profit. That way you avoid any long potential losing strings.
You mean a cluster? 9 numbers are unlikely to come in pairs. Unfortunately, there's no concepts behind any of these betting decisions.
I think we can disregard most things discussed this thread as propaganda of some sort, based around Hot and Cold. My guess - if Turbo isn't experiencing delusions of grandeur - is that he has some clever variance strategy based around the repeat, or is using positions/distances. Hot/Cold must be secondary - it cannot be the primary concept being utilized here.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Aug 14, 11:35 AM 2017
You mean a cluster? 9 numbers are unlikely to come in pairs. Unfortunately, there's no concepts behind any of these betting decisions.
I think we can disregard most things discussed this thread as propaganda of some sort, based around Hot and Cold. My guess - if Turbo isn't experiencing delusions of grandeur - is that he has some clever variance strategy based around the repeat, or is using positions/distances. Hot/Cold must be secondary - it cannot be the primary concept being utilized here.
Bingo!
Quote from: cht on Aug 14, 11:41 AM 2017
Bingo!
Right. We have identified some dependency, i.e. 3s cannot happen without 2s or 1s, but this doesn't seem to translate to outright edge? If that dependency did equate to edge then the only concepts needed would be the repeat, hot/cold and dependency. So it's like this:
1) Repeat
2) ?
3) ?
4) Hot/Cold, i.e. 0s vs. 1s vs. 2s vs. 3s vs. 4s.
5) Dependency
6) Not Equally-likely (to some extent we have this here too)
The repeat alone is not enough (Non-Random doesn't work out of the box), and the repeat with only hot and cold isn't going to help either, so there must be other concepts in-between:
*Variance avoidance
*Parallel Stream
*Betting on-behalf
*Hedging
*Alternating
et al...
I can see why Turbo denzie or denzie Turbo gave up :lol:
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 14, 12:15 PM 2017
I can see why Turbo denzie or denzie Turbo gave up :lol:
Eating popcorn :girl_to:
Bringing up this interesting thread again.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 09:19 PM 2017
I actually have something else important to do but I did say I would explain it again so here we are.
I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.
We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once
8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.
So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.
Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.
Start here :thumbsup:
Do you need to bet on all repeaters or is it enough to bet on the most repeated? It can be many numbers to bet on.
Quote from: boyd30 on Oct 07, 11:50 AM 2017
Do you need to bet on all repeaters or is it enough to bet on the most repeated? It can be many numbers to bet on.
You answered your own question ;)
Quote from: boyd30 on Oct 07, 11:50 AM 2017Do you need to bet on all repeaters
Tried this with a positive progression, and it doesn't work.
The big secret is HOW many hotnumbers to bet, and i think Mr.J is somewhere close to an answer to that 1-4 hotnumbers is the only way i can see this work, at all...
Boyd
Look here link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19225.0
Page 17 reply sep02 11:48 just away
20 pages , no, can't read that...
i've already tried and sometimes it works, sometimes it won't work, FLATBET 1-3 hotnumbers link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19465.0
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 07, 12:22 PM 2017
20 pages , no, can't read that...
i've already tried and sometimes it works, sometimes it won't work, FLATBET 1-3 hotnumbers link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19465.0
Newsflash. ...This Just in.....Testing 10 sessions is nothing and sure as hell not enough to calculate a winrate %
::)
Quote from: denzie on Oct 07, 12:56 PM 2017Newsflash. ...This Just in.....Testing 10 sessions is nothing and sure as hell not enough to calcula
What do you expect? Shall i invent the system, and manually play it for 100 sessions? (That won't happen). I usually do 10-20 test-sessions before i get bored with it and move on to something else. What about you testing it for yourself instead of complaining?....(IF you like it, that is) now this was about "hotnumbers" ........that was what this thread was about.
I HAD SUCCESS FLATBETTING 3 HOTNUMBERS... show me your "secret system" then?
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 07, 01:01 PM 2017
What do you expect? Shall i invent the system, and manually play it for 100 sessions? (That won't happen). I usually do 10-20 test-sessions before i get bored with it and move on to something else. What about you testing it for yourself instead of complaining?....(IF you like it, that is) now this was about "hotnumbers" ........that was what this thread was about.
I HAD SUCCESS FLATBETTING 3 HOTNUMBERS... show me your "secret system" then?
I did today.
::)
Quote from: denzie on Oct 07, 01:07 PM 2017I did today.
And what was your results then? I guess not good since you're complaining.... you said it yourself, afew sessions won't show a real reslut, usually 10-20 sessions CAN tell something, (that's why i usually do 20 sessions BECAUSE a failing system won't make it through 20 sessions, That i know...)
Have you properly tested to see if hot numbers are more likely to spins anytime soon?
Its one of the oldest fallacies. Hot numbers spin equally as much next as cold numbers, unless there's bias. There's no doubt. It has been tested countless times. Why is anyone still wasting time on it?
Touch bet terminals usually tell you the hot numbers because it's useless information that keeps players losing.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 07, 01:19 PM 2017
Have you properly tested to see if hot numbers are more likely to spins anytime soon?
Its one of the oldest fallacies. Hot numbers spin equally as much next as cold numbers, unless there's bias. There's no doubt. It has been tested countless times. Why is anyone still wasting time on it?
Touch bet terminals usually tell you the hot numbers because it's useless information that keeps players losing.
Steve of course any number can appear next. No doubt about it. But there are the statistics which happen almost every session. It is what it is.
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 07, 01:12 PM 2017
And what was your results then? I guess not good since you're complaining.... you said it yourself, afew sessions won't show a real reslut, usually 10-20 sessions CAN tell something, (that's why i usually do 20 sessions BECAUSE a failing system won't make it through 20 sessions, That i know...)
The vb way can't lose on the long run! Unless it's done wrong. It is what it is!
And maaaaaaany losing systems can pass 20 sessions. Fact !
Quote from: Steve on Oct 07, 01:19 PM 2017Its one of the oldest fallacies. Hot numbers spin equally as much next as cold numbers
Yes, it may be so? But then why i had success with ((3 numbers)) ? Because flatbetting a static bet of 3 numbers usually give a short term positive result.
It all depends on ((how many numbers you bet)), Mr.J was right about that 2-4 numbers usually give a positive result, short term,
About hotnumbers having a higher hitrate than cold numbers? idk, atleast i imagine it is so, or i want to believe in it? It's all about the fun-factor also? Roulette is supposed to be a fun game, and it is! :) That's why i never get bored with it,..
Quote from: denzie on Oct 07, 01:32 PM 2017And maaaaaaany losing systems can pass 20 sessions. Fact !
No, a losing system *WON'T* pass 20 sessions, that i know from experience, and i've tested 100eds of systems that way...
Quote from: denzie on Oct 07, 12:01 PM 2017
You answered your own question ;)
Ok, think I got it...more testing needed
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 07, 12:14 PM 2017
Boyd
Look here link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19225.0
Page 17 reply sep02 11:48 just away
Sorry, Notto...your pictures difficult to understand...l'll have to take a closer look...
Quote from: ignatus on Oct 07, 01:41 PM 2017
No, a losing system *WON'T* pass 20 sessions, that i know from experience, and i've tested 100eds of systems that way...
Well. ...Don't know what to say.....If you think so I'll leave you to it. I tried. :-X
Quote from: Steve on Oct 07, 01:19 PM 2017
Its one of the oldest fallacies. Hot numbers spin equally as much next as cold numbers, unless there's bias. There's no doubt. It has been tested countless times. Why is anyone still wasting time on it?
Touch bet terminals usually tell you the hot numbers because it's useless information that keeps players losing.
There's a difference between hot numbers in general and hot numbers in a cycle
The way that Denzie plays, it's considered short term not long term hot numbers that become cold.
He plays what's hot in that particular cycle of spins.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 07, 05:14 PM 2017
There's a difference between hot numbers in general and hot numbers in a cycle
The way that Denzie plays, it's considered short term not long term hot numbers that become cold.
He plays what's hot in that particular cycle of spins.
Thank you! :thumbsup:
Define "hot numbers in a cycle".
Hot numbers in any form, besides bias, is nonsense. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Again it has been tested exhaustively. No sequence of numbers is any more likely than another without the variables making it so. Players who track hot numbers tend to not track variables at all, or track the wrong thing. So they have no idea of the cause and effect, and if hot numbers are just normal expectation. Its playing blind.
If anyone wants to argue this, don't just grumble. Show me data.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 09:19 PM 2017
I actually have something else important to do but I did say I would explain it again so here we are.
I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.
We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once
8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.
So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.
Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.
Has anyone properly tested this ?
Yes and it doesn't work. Its Just a typical losing approach repackaged.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 07, 11:10 PM 2017
Yes and it doesn't work. Its Just a typical losing approach repackaged.
Despite TG's claim I don't see how it can work. Test proves it doesn't work. If anyone claims otherwise, show us the proof.
"Hot" and "cold" numbers that casinos help punters track this "streak" is a bait for noobs to lose.
Wake up people!
Quote from: cht on Oct 07, 11:21 PM 2017
Despite TG's claim I don't see how it can work. Test proves it doesn't work. If anyone claims otherwise, show us the proof.
"Hot" and "cold" numbers that casinos help punters track this "streak" is a bait for noobs to lose.
Wake up people!
Fool me once shame on you.
Fool me twice shame on me.
Fool me thrice you're a jerk and
I'm a dickhead fool !
Boyd
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some say start to bet staraight away, you make this decision.
Bet spin 1,#18 at spin 8 win the 7#'s will have cost at1 units 28, so +8, if like shanks you now walk,reset or what ever your game play is.
If it was to carry on you'd bet #18 at 5 units like TG, me steady old 2 units. So you'd bet the hot #18 and the hot #31and win hot#18.
There you go old fucking useless steve airball game as well so is it rigged?
I'll post your reply Steve, Notto you're a dickhead, typical reply from useless blatant liar, bet thats got your feathers rattled, jizz or finger coming, oh am i baiting, get Turner on the case LOL
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 08, 04:15 AM 2017
Boyd
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some say start to bet staraight away, you make this decision.
Bet spin 1,#18 at spin 8 win the 7#'s will have cost at1 units 28, so +8, if like shanks you now walk,reset or what ever your game play is.
If it was to carry on you'd bet #18 at 5 units like TG, me steady old 2 units. So you'd bet the hot #18 and the hot #31and win hot#18.
There you go old f****** useless steve airball game as well so is it rigged?
I'll post your reply Steve, Notto you're a dickhead, typical reply from useless blatant liar, bet thats got your feathers rattled, jizz or finger coming, oh am i baiting, get Turner on the case LOL
Thank you Notto! Got it little better now after been studying it. I will test it.
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 08, 04:15 AM 2017I'll post your reply Steve, Notto you're a dickhead, typical reply from useless blatant liar, bet thats got your feathers rattled, jizz or finger coming, oh am i baiting, get Turner on the case LOL
Whos rattled your cage?
It cant be the Hammers losing (again)...its an international break lol
Posting when drunk?
Im going for posting when drunk :thumbsup:
Just a short test with hotnumbers :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Oct 07, 08:58 PM 2017
Define "hot numbers in a cycle".
Hot numbers in any form, besides bias, is nonsense. I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
Again it has been tested exhaustively. No sequence of numbers is any more likely than another without the variables making it so. Players who track hot numbers tend to not track variables at all, or track the wrong thing. So they have no idea of the cause and effect, and if hot numbers are just normal expectation. Its playing blind.
If anyone wants to argue this, don't just grumble. Show me data.
We all know it's cause and effect. Like I said it ain't the holy ghost who picks the numbers. Geez.
Data? You want data ? Go to wiesbaden and see if you can find any day where with 37 different numbers come in 37 spins. Or have anyone ever saw it happening? I didn't. Not even in rx. Yes I know Steve. ...Let It run for trazillion spins and it will come. Yup I agree. We probably see 37 x red in a row too. But that doesn't change the fact we can win. There's a way. And no its not just betting more and more each time one repeats. But one always will repeat. So if you can't win from that your an........
I'll tell you this steveypoo....You might not agree but that's fine. Playing hotties is a damn good strategy. It's actually so good you can have a loooooot of winning sessions in a row. Now those who have some brains know how to roll in that cash this way. A lot of cash. And those same people know it can be done with a low starting br. If you really tested every way ... You should know that.
And I'm not even talking about putting vb in the mix.
with no idea what i'm doing just been on MPR gone from 4951 units to 5370 in 60 spins
even told KIm Jueng where to bet
Quote from: denzie on Oct 08, 05:00 AM 2017
Go to wiesbaden and see if you can find any day where with 37 different numbers come in 37 spins
Thats classic fallacy. Test enough spins, and you'll find the sequence of spins 1,2,3,4,5 happens as often as 32,14,8,0,10.
Its the same case with 37 different numbers in 37 spins, or #1 repeating for 37 spins. You betting that 37 unique numbers wont spin just wont work.
Its not my opinion denzie. Just test enough spins and see for yourself. Use the free software I provided and you can test billions of spins. Use other software if you think maybe the software is rigged.
Im sorry Denzie but you're really stuck in classic fallacy. I havent made a mistake. You're just not understanding it.
You think a sequence of spins that makes sense to you means anything to a wheel and ball.
Probably nobody has seen 37 unique numbers in 37 spins. And if i chose any other sequence of 37 numbers, chances are equally likely nobody has seen that either. Again its not my opinion. Just test for yourself.
Hey Denzie, I wonder if the same applies to created sets? Hmm.
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 08, 05:19 AM 2017
with no idea what i'm doing just been on MPR gone from 4951 units to 5370 in 60 spins
even told KIm Jueng where to bet
I won much more (real money) using a dozens system with progression. I used the same system for a year and did very well, until losing almost all winnings. Before that I wouldnt have let anyone tell me my system was crap.
No matter how well we think we know something, eventually we learn we actually knew nothing. It repeats a lot in life before we have what can be called "good understanding". But there are still levels of ignorance, always. But at some point, within reason, you need to decide what to believe. You cant sit on the fence forever. After you can honestly say you took an unbiased look at all sides of arguments. This approach can waste time, but at least its the most assured way of knowing the truth. Like the flat earth crap.... i took it seriously enough to give it an unbiased look, and couldnt find even a single viable argument from flat earthers (just really bad logic and understanding).
In any area ill listen to someone with likely more experience. But first and foremost, i try not to believe anything without reasonable personal experience.
One things for sure... pigheaded arrogance makes you ignorant. And not knowing the truth is just screwing yourself. So do proper research before proclaiming the truth, and always properly consider other peoples findings and why they have certain beliefs. If they dont have substantiating information, its worthless speculation.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 08, 07:43 AM 2017
I won much more (real money) using a dozens system with progression. I used the same system for a year and did very well, until losing almost all winnings. Before that I wouldnt have let anyone tell me my system was crap.
No matter how well we think we know something, eventually we learn we actually knew nothing. It repeats a lot in life before we have what can be called "good understanding". But there are still levels of ignorance, always. But at some point, within reason, you need to decide what to believe. You cant sit on the fence forever. After you can honestly say you took an unbiased look at all sides of arguments. This approach can waste time, but at least its the most assured way of knowing the truth. Like the flat earth crap.... i took it seriously enough to give it an unbiased look, and couldnt find even a single viable argument from flat earthers (just really bad logic and understanding).
In any area ill listen to someone with likely more experience. But first and foremost, i try not to believe anything without reasonable personal experience.
One things for sure... pigheaded arrogance makes you ignorant. And not knowing the truth is just screwing yourself. So do proper research before proclaiming the truth, and always properly consider other peoples findings and why they have certain beliefs. If they dont have substantiating information, its worthless speculation.
:yawn: zzzzzzzzzzz
Quote from: Steve on Oct 08, 07:43 AM 2017
I won much more (real money) using a dozens system with progression. I used the same system for a year and did very well, until losing almost all winnings. Before that I wouldnt have let anyone tell me my system was crap.
I've known lots of guys like that, girls too.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 08, 07:43 AM 2017
No matter how well we think we know something, eventually we learn we actually knew nothing.
That's a bit harsh. Rightly or wrongly people come to their own understandings about what they know and it's usually not nothing.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 08, 07:43 AM 2017In any area ill listen to someone with likely more experience. But first and foremost, i try not to believe anything without reasonable personal experience.
Time to pull your head out your arse then.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 08, 07:43 AM 2017One things for sure... pigheaded arrogance makes you ignorant. And not knowing the truth is just screwing yourself. So do proper research before proclaiming the truth, and always properly consider other peoples findings and why they have certain beliefs. If they dont have substantiating information, its worthless speculation.
I'd say that's least sure. I've known many knowledgeable and sophisticated individuals who are arrogant. You yourself display a lot of arrogance in your postings.
Quote from: Steve on Oct 08, 06:44 AM 2017
Thats classic fallacy. Test enough spins, and you'll find the sequence of spins 1,2,3,4,5 happens as often as 32,14,8,0,10.
Its the same case with 37 different numbers in 37 spins, or #1 repeating for 37 spins. You betting that 37 unique numbers wont spin just wont work.
Its not my opinion denzie. Just test enough spins and see for yourself. Use the free software I provided and you can test billions of spins. Use other software if you think maybe the software is rigged.
With all due respect Steve, he never said it would NEVER happen (although,,, a quick internet search seems to indicate it never happened once so far in the history of roulette)... his point was that by the time it happens, you will have WON so much money that you just wont care... that's what playing repeaters helps you achieve: winning more than you lose long term.
Quote from: Noreilles on Oct 08, 09:00 AM 2017
With all due respect Steve, he never said it would NEVER happen (although,,, a quick internet search seems to indicate it never happened once so far in the history of roulette)... his point was that by the time it happens, you will have WON so much money that you just wont care... that's what playing repeaters helps you achieve: winning more than you lose long term.
Thx :thumbsup:
And long term. .... What Is long term ? For me it's as long as I live/play. Which won't be billion of spins.
And about those sessions that could give us no repeaters.... i dont use a million $ br. That session most probably end with a loss. But only a loss of my session br. I don't use a 15 step progression that requires 100k to play it.
I do agree with all cause and effect stuff. It's pure physics. I do agree with enough spins all possible combinations will occur. But I'm damn sure they won't occur every day or every month or not even every year. In fact they spread out far enough to make some money in between.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 09:19 PM 2017
I actually have something else important to do but I did say I would explain it again so here we are.
I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.
We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once
8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.
So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.
Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.
Quote from: Noreilles on Oct 08, 09:00 AM 2017that's what playing repeaters helps you achieve: winning more than you lose long term.
I checked this on the excel sheet but I can't find it to win more than lose on single 0 for 37spins.
Quote from: cht on Oct 08, 10:17 AM 2017
I checked this on the excel sheet but I can't find it to win more than lose on single 0 for 37spins.
Of course you can't. Why stop at 37 spins?
That explanation is just basics. Why not go till that 4th hit ? Why not put mm on it ? And most importantly...Why Bet them all ?
:thumbsup:
QuoteI'd say that's least sure. I've known many knowledgeable and sophisticated individuals who are arrogant. You yourself display a lot of arrogance in your postings.
i like this one :xd: :xd: :xd:
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=5y_KJAg8bHI
Quote from: denzie on Oct 08, 10:38 AM 2017
Of course you can't. Why stop at 37 spins?
That explanation is just basics. Why not go till that 4th hit ? Why not put mm on it ? And most importantly...Why Bet them all ?
:thumbsup:
Why not throw in VB ? :thumbsup:
Denzie way, Denzie way, Denzie all the way ♫ ♪ ♫♪♫♪♪♪
Quote from: Taotie on Oct 08, 08:19 AM 2017
I've known lots of guys like that, girls too.
That's a bit harsh. Rightly or wrongly people come to their own understandings about what they know and it's usually not nothing.
Time to pull your head out your arse then.
I'd say that's least sure. I've known many knowledgeable and sophisticated individuals who are arrogant. You yourself display a lot of arrogance in your postings.
Taotie, I think you've misunderstood me. I'm saying I try to avoid having a firm opinion on something until I know more information.
Quote from: Taotie on Oct 08, 08:19 AM 2017I've known many knowledgeable and sophisticated individuals who are arrogant. You yourself display a lot of arrogance in your postings.
Arrogance inevitably contributes to ignorance, because it makes you discount other possibilities because you think you know you are right. I was not saying knowledgeable people cannot be arrogant. Compare a humble an open person vs an arrogant and stubborn one. Who would likely be more receptive to the truth?
I understand sometimes I may appear arrogant, but it's confused with something else. Say an obviously inexperienced player says they win with something like the martingale, and I explain why the winnings are not sustainable. Then they take offense and accuse me of trying to censor the HG. I'm confident that the player really has no idea what they're talking about, and that may come across as arrogance. I know roulette very well. And I know the typical stages of misunderstandings because I've been through them myself.
I dont believe it's arrogant to remain staunch when someone tries to tell you 1+1=3
Quote from: Noreilles on Oct 08, 09:00 AM 2017his point was that by the time it happens, you will have WON so much money that you just wont care... that's what playing repeaters helps you achieve: winning more than you lose long term.
That's still fallacy. He does not appear to understand the sequence of 37 numbers in 37 spins happens as often as any other sequence. None of that has any bearing on the odds of the next spin. No odds change means nothing has changed.
Quote from: denzie on Oct 08, 09:43 AM 2017I do agree with enough spins all possible combinations will occur. But I'm damn sure they won't occur every day or every month or not even every year. In fact they spread out far enough to make some money in between.
How can you "make money in between"? What matters is the odds of the next spin, and the disproportionate payout. Can you give a specific example of the odds changing?
If the odds dont change, and they are still 1 in 37, then how has anything changed?
Quote from: Steve on Oct 08, 06:21 PM 2017
How can you "make money in between"? What matters is the odds of the next spin, and the disproportionate payout. Can you give a specific example of the odds changing?
If the odds dont change, and they are still 1 in 37, then how has anything changed?
The thing is the stats of thousands of spin show that all 37 numbers wont show up and i think the most that have shown up is 31..... which means there were 6 repeats. just one of those repeats going to 3 or 4 repeats within that 37 spin cycle would have made a possible profit.
Denzie has created a system around this information. Yes he will lose because anything can happen but based on the math that we cant change!
roulette cant give you all 37 numbers back to back to back
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Oct 08, 11:56 PM 2017roulette cant give you all 37 numbers back to back to back
That's like saying you'll never see this sequence:
26
15
10
18
33
30
27
15
26
14
11
23
2
23
12
31
15
8
2
35
35
9
36
12
31
11
5
31
22
27
30
26
30
26
0
18
27
If you see enough spins, you'll find it happens just as often as 37 numbers back to back.
QuoteThat's like saying you'll never see this sequence:
no it is not...cannot have 37 numbers with no repeat<else anyone can beat the game>
Quote from: maestro on Oct 10, 01:37 AM 2017
no it is not...cannot have 37 numbers with no repeat<else anyone can beat the game>
yes M be KTF all the way, but thick.slick Steve dont see this
Ok notto and maestro, and anyone who agrees with them... I can very easily prove you're wrong. If i do, then you agree to run naked up and down your street. Twice. Deal? Lets see whos thick notto.
Another thing. You can both apologize to me, if i demonstrate you're dead wrong.
If im wrong, then well you name it :thumbsup:
Quotethen you agree to run naked up and down your street. Twice. Deal? Lets see whos thick notto.
i already done that twice... :xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Steve on Oct 10, 06:02 AM 2017
Another thing. You can both apologize to me, if i demonstrate you're dead wrong.
If im wrong, then well you name it :thumbsup:
I have been so busy I haven't had time to look. But I think I remember someone ran a simulation at the forum.
I'm not saying a game cannot happen. But very rare to happen. If you think about it; it's based on math
After a certain amount of numbers the odds shift from one side to the other.(repeat vs unique)....So the possibility for a repeat increases. Yes any 37 number are possible
But if you have a list and your tracking. 37 spots as the numbers come out. Your chances of getting a repeat before 24 unique numbers are high because a shift happens
So it's not that a rare game won't happen. It's just if you have a good method based on the idea and the math behind it. You should come out a ahead
Somehow turbo and denzie created a method and it's not perfect but they win. Turbo proved it using parx! It's not easy to get into the top 10 even if you have a large bankroll. You still have to win!
Quote from: nottophammer on Oct 10, 02:59 AM 2017
yes M be KTF all the way, but thick.slick Steve dont see this
Ok ok ok
Notto I have one question for you does KTF (+1 -1 on the 25 Unhit) work for you and has it consistently worked for you over the past year?
Please a yes or no will suffice
Iits still not being understood fully. Its exactly as rare as any other combination of numbers.
And parx is a terrible place to test. I explained the parx math. Unfortunately I havent seen anythung to indicate turbo has anything that works. But what we do have is his claims that show contradictions he isnt even aware of, and typical musunderstandings. I dont have anything against him but the whole parx thing was very misleading. Check my posts about parx math.
ps how many people here play say 2000 spins per year? Its about an hour in the casino, every week.
Of those who said yes, how many of you have won over 2000 spins? How many have lost? It would be roughly the same proprtion of players with a 1+ win rate on MPR.
How many times can you win with random bets and progression in 2000 spins? Test on rx.
My point is most players will have lost. A few will have won. So for the average active player, even a year of profitable play is NOT proof your system works. Read :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ and the part about the illusion of having a winning system.
I dont mean to be a negative nancy. Im just trying to help. But Id rather sound negative and be honest, instead of smiling and lying.
If the strategy does not win on typical play schedule at least 100% of investment every week, I won't waste time with it - that's my yardstick.
Quote from: nottophammer on Aug 14, 11:12 AM 2017Looks like betting the remaining 9 is better than any random 9 you'd like to pick, Priyanka posed this once and excepted the example for betting the remaining.
The ? is what is the max spins those 9 could miss, on J247 it's 17 spins and FOBT, rng is 23, 17 spins once in 420 games and 23 once in 650 games
For 9 numbers is: 666/9= 74 spins, that's for
any 9 numbers.
The same virtual limit applies for any total, for example:
666/1= 666
666/2= 333
666/3= 222
666/4= 167
666/5= 134
666/6= 111
etc...
But you could accumulate different totals instead of all numbers having the same delay, for example:
Looking on the list with most delayed numbers there are number 1 is absent for 130 spins, number 6 is absent for 117 spins, number 19 is missing for 107 spins, number 23 missing for 96 spins, number 28 sleeping for 89 spins, number 30 sleeping for 88 spins and number 32 sleeps for 83 spins, therefore we have a group of 7 numbers which their accumulated absence is:
130+117+107+96+89+88+83= 710 which exceeds 666, thus that 7 numbers are ready to bet but for how long is the real question 666 in to square = 1332-710 = 622 and its square root is 24.93 which means within the next 25 spins one of those 7 numbers will awake.
You can figure out the progression yourself, it depends from the total of numbers and the total of spins.
Quote from: Blue_Angel on Oct 11, 10:13 AM 2017Looking on the list with most delayed numbers there are number 1 is absent for 130 spins, number 6 is absent for 117 spins, number 19 is missing for 107 spins, number 23 missing for 96 spins, number 28 sleeping for 89 spins, number 30 sleeping for 88 spins and number 32 sleeps for 83 spins, therefore we have a group of 7 numbers which their accumulated absence is:
130+117+107+96+89+88+83= 710 which exceeds 666, thus that 7 numbers are ready to bet but for how long is the real question 666 in to square = 1332-710 = 622 and its square root is 24.93 which means within the next 25 spins one of those 7 numbers will awake.
You are over complicating it.
The "answer" doesn't require all these calculations.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Oct 15, 08:49 PM 2017
You are over complicating it.
The "answer" doesn't require all these calculations.
The answer is not playing those crazy progressions from BA.... TG why don't you enlighten us more with your time machine. We all know how it wins if you bet more and more on the repeaters as they repeat. But of course this isn't always the case. And then your in the hole. Perhaps add the gaps to it. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Oct 17, 03:56 PM 2017The answer is not playing those crazy progressions from BA....
You don't know what you are talking about, progressions are just tools, how you use them makes the whole difference.
So don't blame a tool if you cannot grasp it properly.
Sorry to say but "gaps" wouldn't help your situation, Falkor has figured it out long time ago, but who listens to the ravings of a "madman"?!
Quote from: denzie on Oct 17, 03:56 PM 2017We all know how it wins if you bet more and more on the repeaters as they repeat. But of course this isn't always the case. And then your in the hole. Perhaps add the gaps to it.
If you do it right, you're never "in the hole".
As long as there are repeaters, my way wins.
If there are gaps, it's because someone didn't read what I've already written - everything has been explained and in more detail than I would have wanted out in the open - yet there it is.
To anyone who doesn't want to go looking - then start with the basics.
The common sense part..
You cannot lose 1 single unit on a number that doesn't show up if you aren't betting on it.
This means a number sleeping for 600 spins (Bago - lol) won't affect you at all.
You didn't lose 600 units betting on it ? No.
You can only win with repeaters - and thanks to random you can't possibly "know" each and every hot number that is going to appear. I showed my results - at best I got wins on "most" of the numbers that appeared the most over the time of the session.
I certainly didn't manage to be on the best, but I had enough of them that each and every time the player can end in profit.
It's not impossible to do - and it's not so complicated that someone looking at what I've posted can't figure it out, even if they add their own twist.
I've done my best to perfect it for me - no problems to report. Math actually backs it up.
Luckily we have a random game which yes - has limits and is predictable.
Well your right about not betting on those sleepy numbers. :thumbsup:
But there's mostly a hole to get out from. Didn't say a big one but there's one.
Question though: why did you go from 1/5 or 5/25 to the 1/2/4/8/16... Progression? (The earlier 1/2/3/4/5/..I can see not recovering)
:thumbsup:
Well your right about not betting on those sleepy numbers. Partially right.
But there's mostly a hole to get out from. Didn't say a big one but there's one. Yes Den you’re right.
Question though: why did you go from 1/5 or 5/25 to the 1/2/4/8/16... Progression? (The earlier 1/2/3/4/5/..I can see not recovering)
This why you can be in a hole Den. whatever unit you are using has a length value of 35-1. 35 spins makes a profit, 36 spins breaks even, the more spins after 36 the hole is getting bigger.
So 1 hot number has 35 chances to make profit, but what happens to the value length when another number has to be bet?
Let’s say 1st hottie is bet for 5 spins the value length is now 30 spins, but if you are to bet 2 hot numbers now, the value length is now only 15 spins, say you bet for 3 spins and another hot number is to be bet, 3 hot numbers with the value length at 24, does that not mean you have 8 spins for the win? So each time you add a hot number the value line shrinks. And when the starting 37 just keep waking up that value line shrinks to become a no value line, the big hole you talk off.
1*5(1,2,3,4,5)2*3(7,9,11)3*8(14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35)
Now back to partially right, at the start all 37 numbers are sleepers to you and the experts, but this is the larger group, and the larger group has a better chance of hitting. If you know anything about a starting 37 numbers there’s an average to hit to consider, but that’s for you to work on.
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1st 10 spins no repeat, but this does happen.
spins 11-20, perfect distribution, 5 of the remaining 37 and 5 repeats.
spins 21-30, good for repeats, only 3 of the remaining 37 came, so this is good for hotties.
As i have shown in Turbo/Denzie, it can be a good method and like Den has said often gets back close to the starting bank roll.
spins 31-40, in the 30 spins 11-40 where you could see 15.8 non-hit come, we see 12 came so -3, whats usual for 60 spins 30.5 here today 29 came.
Repeats can work quite well if you enter a casino but id say a minimum of $5,000 is required to have any chance. So if you are not greedy make 5% = $250 within 2 hrs = reasonable return.
Put up $5000 br at risk of that dreaded hole, the objective is to win $250 for 2hrs daily play which gives $5000 profit per month in 2hrs 20days of play, is it worth it ?
My answer is no. Why ?? Becos of the HOLE!
There's the casino waiting to spoil your plan which is worse than the hole!!!
I tweaked repeaters my way, played 8hrs daily play, 100% returns on br for the week is the objective. I was up 150% for the week until the last day. Two zeroes and two consecutive repeat numbers back to back that I did not cover reversed 100% of the back breaking, arse burning work.
Yea it happened to me, ass luck. Or casino cheat ?
Learned my lesson and NEVER will I let them do that to me again! First off, fark repeaters! The excel spreadsheet and the work goes down the drain, too bad. Second, the casino cheat! Now lets play the roulette game at the correct setting. Beat the casino!!!
If you bring 5k to win 250 bucks your doomed. That's a big no.
Now bring 250 bucks to win 5k is more like it :lol:
Ok ok or at least another 250$ ( yes it can)
Quote from: denzie on Oct 19, 01:07 PM 2017
If you bring 5k to win 250 bucks your doomed. That's a big no.
Now bring 250 bucks to win 5k is more like it :lol:
Ok ok or at least another 250$ ( yes it can)
Right on the money. :thumbsup:
Yup agree with Denzie and cht there. You wouldn't need or risk 5K to secure just 250 units. But I presume betting king wasn't meaning that just for one session.
Yes i know and understand im not saying risk the whole $5,000 as it would be broken down into separate bank rolls and as i have found i dont bet on usually more than 5-8 numbers at most. Will post my system when i have more time
The correct way to look at it is to do proper testing.
See the maximum drawdown and the current bankroll balance - once you've tested
enough spins.
If your max drawdown is 2k and your current bankroll is 20k - then you're fine.
If your current bankroll over many tested spins is still less then the biggest drawdown - don't continue on with that line of thinking.
As I said - my way doesn't require digging out of holes. There are drawdowns and yes it recovers every single time. As long as a numbers repeat - it can't lose.
Yes i agree. I have not read every page here. Is your preferred method with repeats here near the beginning or is it trial and error with hints like Falkor teases.....if there is any merett to anything that looks into the universe for answers. Lol
Quote from: TurboGenius on Oct 19, 06:14 PM 2017
The correct way to look at it is to do proper testing.
See the maximum drawdown and the current bankroll balance - once you've tested
enough spins.
If your max drawdown is 2k and your current bankroll is 20k - then you're fine.
If your current bankroll over many tested spins is still less then the biggest drawdown - don't continue on with that line of thinking.
As I said - my way doesn't require digging out of holes. There are drawdowns and yes it recovers every single time. As long as a numbers repeat - it can't lose.
Hi TurboGenius,
We all have gone over this ground umpteen times whether your way, all that you posted on forums, your Parx results is legitimate or not.
I have done a thorough re-assessment of unhit, hit, R1, R2....and so on again.
I finally "understand" your way what you've tried to communicate to us readers with your posts repeating much the same thing always, no more no less.
Now I admit I was
wrong about your way will not work. It works as you describe how it will happen and your Parx result is a possible reflection of what is possible playing your way, you have no reason to fake the result. I will add that this is possibly the best way ever to win at the random roulette game.
Thank you for sharing your way and to be in line with your intent on the extent shared on forums that's all I'll say about this.
cht
CHT, I suggest you go back and test properly. TG's theories, comments and testing methods are full of many holes. Its not just me who sees it - Anyone with proper understanding of roulette says the same thing.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 10, 04:04 AM 2018
CHT, I suggest you go back and test properly. TG's theories, comments and testing methods are full of many holes. Its not just me who sees it - Anyone with proper understanding of roulette says the same thing.
I understand your reservation. I also understand your pov and the many, many others who wrote about this. I share the same pov until I did proper tests. It told me otherwise.
My post above is not to validate TG's theories, comments and testing methods. I did tests based on my understanding of TG's way how he plays the game. It's not rationale not to retract my earlier comments and correct them. All that said in my humble opinion.
Ive done my tests too. One of us missing something. I have an open mind about it, but at some point I have to dismiss it when I cant see one valid point he has. Really I'd love to be wrong, but I cant find a single valid and relevant point to substantiate his claims. Instead I got contradictions and his misunderstandings.
Quote from: cht on Jan 10, 04:00 AM 2018Thank you for sharing your way and to be in line with your intent on the extent shared on forums that's all I'll say about this.
You're welcome, and thank you as well.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 10, 04:37 AM 2018One of us missing something.
And that is the truth.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 10, 04:37 AM 2018
Ive done my tests too. One of us missing something. I have an open mind about it, but at some point I have to dismiss it when I cant see one valid point he has. Really I'd love to be wrong, but I cant find a single valid and relevant point to substantiate his claims. Instead I got contradictions and his misunderstandings.
Steve,
Over the last few months, I have done a lot of testing of Turbo's version of the repeaters method with my collection of dealer-spun and airball wheel spins. My tests have consistently shown that his version drags you down into deep negative progression territory quite frequently -- and the more you try to dig yourself out of the hole, the deeper the hole gets.
I do want to mention that betting on repeaters is one of the more promising betting strategies out there (there are multiple versions of this betting strategy).
However, Turbo's version is NOT one of the better ones.
There are other versions that have been proposed by forum members that give you a better chance of coming out with a profit on a more consistent basis.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 10, 08:26 AM 2018
Over the last few months, I have done a lot of testing of Turbo's version of the repeaters method with my collection of dealer-spun and airball wheel spins. My tests have consistently shown that his version drags you down into deep negative progression territory quite frequently -- and the more you try to dig yourself out of the hole, the deeper ....
Pls enlighten how TG plays....just to clarify your doing it correct. Thx (coz he never posted how and his graphs where played different)
Turbo's idea essentially entails betting from spin no. 1 of a cycle and keep betting every number that appears subsequently. He advocates using a positive progression whereby you bet more on numbers that repeat (more on multiple repeaters).
The biggest problem that I have experienced with the above approach is that sometimes (in fact, quite frequently) the first repeater appears well after spin no. 10 or beyond -- and that's when you start getting into a hole (and using a negative progression makes you sink deeper into the hole).
Compared to Turbo's approach of starting betting from the very first spin , I have found that specifically targeting 2-peaters to become 3-peaters usually gives better results.
I mentioned this to you several months ago on another thread. At that time, you asked me why I stopped at 3-peaters and not go for 4-peaters and beyond.
I have tested 3-peaters going to 4-peaters and 4-peaters going to 5-peaters. My testing has consistently shown that targeting 2-peaters to become 3-peaters seems to be the most fruitful way of exploiting repeaters (or numbers hitting above average).
At least as of today, that has been my experience.
More tinkering with alternate ways of targeting repeaters might lead to a more better approach. That is why researching different ways of betting on repeaters is something that I will keep doing for the foreseeable future.
By the way, it was your posts on different threads advocating betting on repeaters (that is, the so-called "hot numbers" that are hitting more than average in a cycle) that got me interested in this topic -- and I thank you for that. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 10, 06:29 AM 2018One of us missing something.
And that is the truth.
Its really easy to fall back on this claim. But for people who understand better, you have made glaringly obvious mistakes and contradictions you cant explain, except by saying we "you don't understand". Anyway let's not go in circles again.
3-4 or 4-5 wont give u win. While u ll find that in 2 cycle the numbers are still in 4s but by averaging it should be on 5s.
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The biggest problem that I have experienced with the above approach is that sometimes (in fact, quite frequently) the first repeater appears well after spin no. 10 or beyond --
3-4 number to play . What u r missing then.
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A number appears 5 times and he win 4 time exactly on that number. Not 2 or 3 times
I can describe how I made 12k units using the TURBO assumptions
I do not know if it was a good way, but unfortunately it stopped at a certain point, later a neutral trend followed and no longer generated a profit.
I started with the first spin
Is that real money? Go ahead
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 10, 08:26 AM 2018However, Turbo's version is NOT one of the better ones.
I love it when a comment like this appears - Nowhere did I post a step by step on what I'm doing. If what "your" doing isn't working, I can assure you that it's not what I'm doing.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 10, 02:09 PM 2018Pls enlighten how TG plays....just to clarify your doing it correct.
Exactly. Which is why he's not getting the results expected.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 10, 04:41 PM 2018Compared to Turbo's approach of starting betting from the very first spin , I have found that specifically targeting 2-peaters to become 3-peaters usually gives better results.
This would mean recording, tracking spins - a big no-no. For the record - sitting and waiting, recording and tracking spins is a waste of time for any method of play.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 10, 04:52 PM 2018Anyway let's not go in circles again.
I agree - I didn't bump the thread and said that I was done commenting on it.
I do however feel the need to reply when someone says "I play Turbo's method and it doesn't work" etc - because if it were played properly, it can't and doesn't lose.
Quote from: ozon on Jan 10, 05:24 PM 2018
I can describe how I made 12k units using the TURBO assumptions
I do not know if it was a good way, but unfortunately it stopped at a certain point, later a neutral trend followed and no longer generated a profit.
I started with the first spin
Turbo's method is based on betting from the very first spin of a cycle -- that is its Achilles' heel.
Your first mistake is betting for repeats, back 2 basics since elementary probability is beyond your grasp.
Roughly 66% of all times a number will show up at least once, the numbers with 1 hit have 50-50 chance (minus 0) to stay on 1 hit or repeat for second time.
Why would someone exchange the 66 with the 50% is beyond my understanding, therefore when your basis is weakened by your decision you must NOT expect any such strategy to be long term winner.
At the end, betting for 1 hit to go for 2 is no better than betting Black VS Red, same probability but with increased volatility.
No progression, whether negative or positive, could replace what you don't know, yes, eventually a number hits twice, thrice...etc BUT by that time you could have lost much more, thus rendering progressions obsolete.
Take it back from the beginning because you've missed the 1st step which is fundamental, just remember why LOT means Law Of Thirds!
Only cents. This was test.
After the first spin and play 1 number after 2 nd spin and play 2 numbers after 3 Spin Play 3 numbers. That was max numbers I play.
I play 3 first numbers, so long until the first repeater appears, then i stop betting on past numbers, and start on the repeated first number, I checked the for next repeater, I did so to the max 3 numbers that were repeaters.
And I did it every time when the hotter level appeared, I stopped playing previous numbers and played this hottest.
The progression I used was positive 1-5-25
I always stopped the sessions when I had a profit
The first level I played to hit, if it was minus after hit and ply secound level ,after hit, was minus play third step, after 3rd hit stop, whether it was a minus or a plus
Close enough
For sure there is a better way to use hot numbers. There are many variants.
And probably better used progression. That's why it stopped at some point.
I have little time for tests, because lately I focus on forex.
But all the time I'm trying to expand my knowledge about roulette.
Ozon thats kind of blind betting. U wait for those one of the 3 to appear. My suggestion focus on which 3 repeat and which finish with 3 hit in 37. Not look on stage betting but that is bonus
Thanks Madi.
I'll try to think about it.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 10, 04:41 PM 2018
Turbo's idea essentially entails betting from spin no. 1 of a cycle and keep betting every number that appears subsequently. He advocates using a positive progression whereby you bet more on numbers that repeat (more on multiple repeaters).
The biggest problem that I have experienced with the above approach is that sometimes (in fact, quite frequently) the first repeater appears well after spin no. 10 or beyond -- and that's when you start getting into a hole (and using a negative progression makes you sink deeper into the hole). 276 in the hole
Compared to Turbo's approach of starting betting from the very first spin , I have found that specifically targeting 2-peaters to become 3-peaters usually gives better results.
I mentioned this to you several months ago on another thread. At that time, you asked me why I stopped at 3-peaters and not go for 4-peaters and beyond.
I have tested 3-peaters going to 4-peaters and 4-peaters going to 5-peaters. My testing has consistently shown that targeting 2-peaters to become 3-peaters seems to be the most fruitful way of exploiting repeaters (or numbers hitting above average).
At least as of today, that has been my experience.
More tinkering with alternate ways of targeting repeaters might lead to a more better approach. That is why researching different ways of betting on repeaters is something that I will keep doing for the foreseeable future.
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Notto,
I can see a lot of green colour thing. Can u plz explain ur strategy plz
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 10, 07:15 PM 2018
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Nottop,
Your table illustrates the most fundamental problem that I have run into with Turbo's method -- namely, that in many cycles, the first repeater appears well after spin no. 10.
In Turbo's method, you start betting with spin no. 1 -- and then you keep betting EVERY SINGLE number that appears in subsequent spins (along with EVERY ONE of its PREDECESSORS).
If the repeaters don't come early, you find yourself in a deep hole quite rapidly.
And once the repeaters come, even increasing your amounts on these repeaters (as in a positive progression) does NOT get you out of the hole on a consistent basis (sometimes it does, however, more often than not, it does not).
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 10, 05:34 PM 2018
I love it when a comment like this appears - Nowhere did I post a step by step on what I'm doing. If what "your" doing isn't working, I can assure you that it's not what I'm doing.
Exactly. Which is why he's not getting the results expected.
This would mean recording, tracking spins - a big no-no. For the record - sitting and waiting, recording and tracking spins is a waste of time for any method of play.
I agree - I didn't bump the thread and said that I was done commenting on it.
I do however feel the need to reply when someone says "I play Turbo's method and it doesn't work" etc - because if it were played properly, it can't and doesn't lose.
I bump the thread to correct the wrong and re-state what's correct.
I notice that comments posted tend to imply that TG is wrong or lying with his claims. There is more interest in TG the person than the stuff TG wrote that might be useful to improve our own betting especially for most of you system players.
Here is what I do and don't do -
1. Read and understand clearly and exactly what TG wrote.
2. There are plenty of such statements made repeatedly and consistently in his posts made over many years.
3. Don't add to what he wrote.
4. Don't take away any part of what he wrote.
5. Don't brush aside statements that he wrote that seem unimportant, they are not.
6. Don't assume with a bias mind about his writing.
7. Don't prejudge his writing, read with exactness and an open mind.
I gained better understanding in playing hotties after reading winkel, TG, Colbster and Vaddis.
Each one of them has their own strategy which are different. In all cases it happens the same that people tend disprove their strategy than try to learn whatever they can from them. What's worse is to misinterprete them which distorted what they shared to something else that's not connected to what they originally posted.
If you are interested only to improve your own betting knowledge and skill, read the above 4 posters and extract the most fundamental and core approach to their individual strategies. There are weaknesses as well as strengths in each one of them, tabulate strengths and weaknesses in a T table. Discard the weak and adopt the strong.
Here are some examples -
1. Winkel - I use binomial distribution, kolgomorov 'process' and markov 'chain'.
2. TG - bet the hotties (in a nutshell).
3. Vaddis - 8-set numbers.
4. Colbster - bet when the count is favourable.
Each one of them are sharing their individual experience playing the game. They are highlighting the strengths they observed/experienced from years of playing the game. Exploit that for your benefit.
There are plenty such statements made some so obscure and insignificant that they are often glossed over. You just missed important points that will take you years to uncover or discover with your own effort.
I won't go into further details. You put in the work. Ask the right question you might get a response from the OP of whatever strategy depending on how much he intends to share.
The bolded part in TG's comments above summarises all of this.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 10, 07:44 PM 2018
In Turbo's method, you start betting with spin no. 1 -- and then you keep betting EVERY SINGLE number that appears in subsequent spins (along with EVERY ONE of its PREDECESSORS).
TG replied my question directly related to this in notto's thread.
was this Turbo's last attempt on MPR, if its so good on Parx then why not try again?
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 12, 07:00 PM 2018was this Turbo's last attempt on MPR, if its so good on Parx then why not try again?
I have a valid reason why I won't play on the site's roulette game, it has nothing to do with the fairness of the game results - but there is an important reason why I won't play there now. Steve knows, or should - if not I can PM him why I no longer play there
Quote from: cht on Jan 10, 09:28 PM 20185. Don't brush aside statements that he wrote that seem unimportant, they are not.
You are very good at noticing details. There have been posts where I've said something or pointed to something somewhere and practically no one noticed. I don't mean it to be a game or a tease - but someone truly interested would take note and explore in the direction I pointed them in, others won't. It's a sure way to not release all of the answers to everyone in the open I suppose. It seems effective.
My main goal is to drive home the fact (and I mean fact) that this game can be beaten, it's not impossible - regardless of how many people/experts/nay sayers say otherwise. It's just a matter of someone going in the right direction and working it out. Also, not giving up.
If I stopped or 'threw in the towel' every time someone told me it's impossible - I wouldn't be here now. Other ways work as well - bias wheels, signature and I'm sure computers as well on some level.. but the only way the average player can walk out a winner consistently without using these methods is to use something that works. Only a very few things work - but any system or method that does is based on numbers appearing greater than expected (hot) and the math being in the player's favor instead of the house. If they say it's impossible - fine... I surely can't convince anyone who doesn't even think it's possible and isn't even trying.
Usually when a claim is true, theres at least one good piece of information that's verifiably true. In your case tg, all I've seen is a series of contradictory clues, and inaccurate statements about roulette.
I mean literally i haven't seen a single valid, correct and relevant point. It has been the opposite.
I don't consider you a bad guy but everything ive seen indicates you're misleading people either knowingly or not. And i still keep coming back to the point about spending weeks with rigged fun play instead of real money. There's just too much wrong for it to be believable. I really hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 13, 05:17 AM 2018
I don't consider you a bad guy but everything ive seen indicates you're misleading people either knowingly or not.
If that's what you belief, then the appropriate action to take is to lock this thread and TG banned.
I have to be banned on similar grounds.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 10, 05:44 PM 2018
Turbo's method is based on betting from the very first spin of a cycle -- that is its Achilles' heel.
This is no holy grail. There never was and neverwill be. What I have seen and understand about roulette is this.
Its a percentage game. There is no pattern variance cannot find. And decode. The biggest mistake thats ever been made by people designing systems. Is believing they can outlive a losing streak. They can find something that ALWAYS shows a positive profit at the end of each and every game.
This is why all fail longterm. The only thing that wins longterm is the knowing. That overall you can expect to win MORE than you LOSE. And any who have that understanding.
And a system that delivers that knowing. Can beat roulette. If I play 10 games for example. And know I will always win ar least 5 of them. It doesnt even matter anymore if the 5 wins show positive numbers matched against the five losers.
You factor in the necessary money management. To assure as long as you get those 5 wins out of 10 or better. You show a profit.
Thats the mystery of beating this game explained right there. Roulette is a PERCENTAGE GAME. Find that which gives you a minumum expected return. And variance house edge and table limits. Can never defeat you.
Quote from: cht on Jan 13, 06:19 AM 2018
the appropriate action to take is to lock this thread and TG banned.
I have to be banned on similar grounds.
Ban everybody!
We're all a bunch of wankers anyway, so ban everybody for breaking the no wankers allowed rule. :thumbsup:
What?
There's no, no wankers allowed rule?.. well there should be.
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 13, 06:31 AM 2018Ban everybody!
We're all a bunch of wankers anyway, so ban everybody for breaking the no wankers allowed rule. :thumbsup:
That was funny lol
Quote from: Steve on Jan 13, 05:17 AM 2018I don't consider you a bad guy but everything ive seen indicates you're misleading people either knowingly or not. And i still keep coming back to the point about spending weeks with rigged fun play instead of real money.
I have played with real money at Parx in PA and AC and have posted those results.
They are exactly in line with the online results, however I have no plans of doing it everyday - as I've said - once or twice per month is fine with me. They don't care about
the small amount that I walk out with.
The "misleading" claim is understandable - you can't agree with me unless either you figure it out on your own which I don't think you want to do because you don't believe it's possible - or if you see proof... but for you to see proof you would have to be shown exactly what it is and how it works in detail - which I obviously won't do.
So to you it's a choice I suppose. I can show you results but those results will either be "rigged" or "not enough spins" or any number of reasons you can insert that backs up what you believe - that's it's not possible. I can't do anything about that.
That only leaves me with showing results and explaining what I can - the readers can make their own choices as well. "Misleading" would typically mean that I had a motive - what would that even be ? I'm not selling systems, I'm not casino staff - I have no motive to tell people something I know isn't true - so why would I ?
Quote from: cht on Jan 13, 06:19 AM 2018
If that's what you belief, then the appropriate action to take is to lock this thread
That is actually a very good idea.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 13, 08:05 AM 2018That is actually a very good idea.
You can always avoid the thread and not read it, not comment in it.
But since you do read and comment in it - locking it would also silence you.
There's no purpose in doing such a thing unless there's a need to avoid the
truth or silence opinions on either side - so no, it's not a good idea.
But hey, I'm in the US - we have freedom of speech and the only time that is threatened is when people want to avoid the truth being told.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 13, 08:30 AM 2018
But hey, I'm in the US - we have freedom of speech and the only time that is threatened is when people want to avoid the truth being told.
I am also in the US -- and I have used my freedom of speech to say what I have already said about your supposedly infallible method in this thread.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 13, 01:56 PM 2018your supposedly infallible method
And yet you don't have the details of how I play... so your assumptions about what I do turn out not to work - that's understandable. Once you have the actual way to play and test it yourself I suppose it's another story. Do you stand outside of theaters and tell people going in "I haven't seen this movie but trust me, it's terrible". No, of course not - thank God for forums where nonsense like that can go on.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 13, 02:40 PM 2018
And yet you don't have the details of how I play... so your assumptions about what I do turn out not to work - that's understandable. Once you have the actual way to play and test it yourself I suppose it's another story. Do you stand outside of theaters and tell people going in "I haven't seen this movie but trust me, it's terrible". No, of course not - thank God for forums where nonsense like that can go on.
Yet your acolytes and minions who also do NOT have all the details of how you play claim that your method works.
He's been on forums longer than me, so if the answer lies in multiple replies all over different forums, i will not look.
But from some replies on here, from denzie and others, i have tried different approaches, but the 1,2,3,4,5 does well. Whether its right way,I and the rest of us will not know.
A hot number is it a 1 hit, has the 1 hit, hit above expectation if all 37 are expected to hit in 37 spins. If this 1 hit, became a 2 hit, now it would be a candidate to be hot.
Madi the green chart has 22, 1hits i believe before a repeat showed, so are the 22, hot #'s?
One will come to learn one thing about forums
What’s not disclosed, but still championed, is typically bullshit
Sorry. But true.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 13, 02:59 PM 2018
Madi the green chart has 22, 1hits i believe before a repeat showed, so are the 22, hot #'s?
Definitely not in 37 spin. But if u consider in 1000 spin yes those can be
Not believing you is because everything you've said is either contradictory or plain inaccurate. Again there doesn't appear to be any verifiable, accurate or true claim. Not one. Whether intentional or not.
Not believing you has nothing to do with thinking the hg doesn't exist. Because i believe it could exist. But it is not repackaged fallacy.
Playing for weeks on rigged play for fun, plus a few times a month in a real casino is hardly proof a system works. I won for around a year with a losing dozens system until i learned better.
“ bet every number that appear†what can u expect from those who r following this. Ofcourse nonsense.
“Bet 3 - 4 numberâ€. Yes u can expect something good as feedback.
But the two statement
are totally different.
As TG plays in B&M....he wont play just any number that comes up....that would be insane.
He does know when a repeat is gonna happen most of the time. (Like most of us)
He doesnt play 38 numbers with a unfair payout. He plays less numbers with a fair payout.
He never bet numbers that didnt come.
And not forget the graphs he posted on the other forum....there are dd for hunderds of spins...so he dont win all the time but should win at the end...coz the math say so.
:girl_to:
Quote from: denzie on Jan 13, 04:53 PM 2018
As TG plays in B&M....he wont play just any number that comes up....that would be insane.
:girl_to:
But he stated so . What would u consider this then?
Yes right. If u can pick up right numbers.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 13, 05:13 PM 2018
But he stated so . What would u consider this then?
Iets say he sits down and get Notto's numbers with 22 spins without a repeat...he need to transform into a octopus to place those chips....so he didnt share all the info in a clear "how to win" package
Yes we know he like to it beside the wheel, so to reach 3rd doz be hard if busy and if like old top dog J says played fast.
So its a ? of when you start, plenty of info states its likely to have a repeat in 1st 10 spins, if no repeat starting to be to many #'s, so do you wait for #'s to go to 2hit, hotties ? just come of MPR had plenty of blocks of 10 spins giving repeats so hot#'s.
Steve it still crashes and spits out 2 #'s
Not to share and showing the road that goes nowhere is not same thing.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Nov 17, 05:10 PM 2017
I don't bet on all numbers that appeared - it wouldn't really be possible unless I was at a terminal or playing online. At a table I can't cover a large amount of numbers so I keep the amount of numbers that I play small. So I miss out on some great wins - yes. I only need one or a few of my played numbers to win above expected, and that always happens.
There are many such statements TG posted that are math correct. Find them if you are interested to find his way of play.
See ? Someone pays attention :)
I'm glad, it means it's not a total waste going up against the nay-sayers
because at least a few people will benefit from my posts.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 13, 04:21 PM 2018
“ bet every number that appear†what can u expect from those who r following this. Ofcourse nonsense.
“Bet 3 - 4 numberâ€. Yes u can expect something good as feedback.
But the two statement
are totally different.
Wish u read the full comment. Ye i accepted last march his way work. But it doesnt mean that he didnt state those two sentence while both cant be correct.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 13, 09:29 PM 2018
Wish u read the full comment. Ye i accepted last march his way work. But it doesnt mean that he didnt state those two sentence while both cant be correct.
I followed the one that most likely lead me to the gold pot. :)
Quote from: Madi on Jan 13, 05:13 PM 2018Yes right. If u can pick up right numbers.
Tbh, I had to add some Winkel to get there.
TG got me on the trail, Winkel gave me the tools. :thumbsup:
Huge credit to both of them, the best system players to grace forums. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Jan 13, 09:39 PM 2018
I followed the one that most likely lead me to the gold pot
U cant blame others who followed the other one written by same author and failed. And at the end named nonsense
Quote from: Madi on Jan 13, 09:44 PM 2018
U cant blame others who followed the other one written by same author and failed. And at the end named nonsense
No, I don't.
Quote from: cht on Jan 11, 09:42 PM 2018
Do I say then you are wrong ?
No. You missed the missing part when you come to your conclusions. I can't fault you if you don't know what you don't know.
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Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 12, 11:21 PM 2018
My main goal is to drive home the fact (and I mean fact) that this game can be beaten, it's not impossible - regardless of how many people/experts/nay sayers say otherwise. It's just a matter of someone going in the right direction and working it out. Also, not giving up.
To me, this is true.
When u will run a winkle in tgs method u will see the top one running fast but gut prefer to catch second top and numbers increase in some cases
No its not you.
I tried to incorporate gut inside tgs way but for me it doesnt suit.
Hi Guys. What Turbo says is very true, I have a similar system I have been playing for years and I am winning nicely. I play on repeaters but think the way I apply them is different to Turbo. I only play in B&M, never online. The only way to beat the game is to play on numbers and stay ahead of the odds.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 28, 09:46 AM 2017
When you play repeaters (the third show of any number for example) you no longer have 38 possible winning numbers - you have a small hand full of numbers that are the only ones that can win.
Since we know that repeaters will happen - we already know what numbers to play.
Perhaps that's one simple thing that people are missing ?
A aggressive progression is also key -
But what if our selected numbers come late ? Very late
And what about that graph in the "what if i told you" thread.... you was down around 1000 spins. (First page)
:thumbsup:
In real play there will b noticeble drawdown. Sometimes go out of control.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 16, 02:04 PM 2018When you play repeaters (the third show of any number for example) you no longer have 38 possible winning numbers
Always said bet repeats from spin 20.
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well yesterdays #'s by mort, TG make a killing even before spin 20
No end of Pryi's green graphs show bet after 20
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Turbo, I have a question for you.
Does your method change the ODDS?
For example, the odds of the next number spinning is 1 in 37. Do you change this to perhaps 1 in 34 or something?
I'd like to apologize to TG. Now I know it's true, it's possible!
I think I know the way TG plays.
Now I know it's possible to know what numbers to play. And it works 99%.
It works flatbet but its better using a positive progression.
Why positive?
Because we know it won't fail.
Why he will not say how to bet step by step?
The casinos WIIL change the rules.
Andre, at the moment you are very new to roulette, and your understanding is growing rapidly - but there's still a lot to learn. This makes your opinions and conclusions volatile. What Turbo has is nonsense. If you pay attention to what is being said and what everything means, you'll know this. If you do quick testing and see positive results, you'll be easily fooled. It often happens with any progression system.
I have no personal problem with turbo. I have a problem with misleading and harmful information. If you follow his logic, you will eventually lose and then just think maybe you dont know "his secret". So you'll keep looking and repeat the process.
Stick to the basics:
1. The past spins don't have connection to future spins (without real physical variable correlation). This includes repeaters. It has been exhaustively tested, far beyond what anyone here has tested - including you, me and turbo combined.
2. Turbo is saying otherwise, citing short term results. And citing rigged game results while claiming they arent rigged, without understanding basic math.
There's much more. My loyalty is to the truth - to what you can prove, to what's logical, reasonable etc. And there is not a single thing I can find that Turbo is preaching that's valid. I'm still looking, but its a lot like looking for proof Earth is flat. The information all points the other way.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:20 PM 2018
Andre, at the moment you are very new to roulette, and your understanding is growing rapidly - but there's still a lot to learn. This makes your opinions and conclusions volatile.
That doesn't mean anything. What matters is the person's ability to learn quickly, study hard, and test all kinds of strategies. I play roulette for only three years but I study a lot. 6 to 8 hours per day.
What Turbo has is nonsense. If you pay attention to what is being said and what everything means, you'll know this. If you do quick testing and see positive results, you'll be easily fooled. It often happens with any progression system.
I have no personal problem with turbo. I have a problem with misleading and harmful information. If you follow his logic, you will eventually lose and then just think maybe you dont know "his secret". So you'll keep looking and repeat the process.
Stick to the basics:
1. The past spins don't have connection to future spins (without real physical variable correlation). This includes repeaters. It has been exhaustively tested, far beyond what anyone here has tested - including you, me and turbo combined.
Spin of cycles of 37 spins over and over.
Near 24 numbers will appear once.
You can do this over and over and the total amount of numbers that appear will end up being 24-28.
2. Turbo is saying otherwise, citing short term results. And citing rigged game results while claiming they arent rigged, without understanding basic math.
There's much more. My loyalty is to the truth - to what you can prove, to what's logical, reasonable etc. And there is not a single thing I can find that Turbo is preaching that's valid. I'm still looking, but its a lot like looking for proof Earth is flat. The information all points the other way.
I could prove you that TG is right, but I can't.
All my respect for you, Steve.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 16, 06:43 PM 2018Spin of cycles of 37 spins over and over.
Near 24 numbers will appear once. You can do this over and over and the total amount of numbers that appear will end up being 24-28.
No the cycles don't link up like that, without any physical cause. There is no correlation like that. Andre I really hope you are right, but you have been misled and I would bet my balls you'll eventually learn better.
Turbo, you say you tell secrets to help people. I think you're just misleading them whether intentional or not.
On one hand I think your intentions are good and you probably think your system works. Because you've done some testing in a rigged game and still think it's a realistic game.
On the other hand, I don't believe your claim that you only use it to win small amounts in real casinos once a month or so. I believe if your system worked as you claim, you would be spending a lot more time winning real money, instead of playing for weeks with fun money in a rigged casino trying to convince other people you have the HG. Basically if your system was capable of winning multiple millions starting with a few thousands, you would be doing it for real. Anyway that's what I believe.
Since you are giving out various clues and amassing followers, your words can either help or harm people. It is then reasonable for people to pound you with questions. After all, that's how we weed out bullshit. Anyone with a sound mind can expect if they claim to have the HG and give out clues, then are going to need to answer questions. And if you arent prepared to answer, then you should have kept quiet from the start. Otherwise you are just baiting people.
So in the interests of avoiding bad advice harming people, please answer the following:
* Does your system in any way change the ODDS of winning for the next spin?
(there is no grey answer. It's either yes or no, like the solution to a mathematical equation)
* Is your system profitable without any progression?
* Exactly what testing have you done, and with how many spins?
(for example, parx and with how many spins, and rng from what source, and how many spins)
* The only results I've ever seen you publish are either from parx, or short term roulette xtreme charts. Regarding the roulette xtreme charts, why are they only short term results? (like 60 or so spins from memory)?
* What do you feel is the statistical relevance of so few spins in the roulette extreme charts?
* How much have you won in REAL MONEY with your system?
* One day you were boasting about how much you won at parx, then the next you say you lost it all... INTENTIONALLY. Exactly would you do this?
* Do you still claim that parx is not at all a rigged game?
(most recently you said the only difference is real casinos take longer to win at)
* Exactly WHY does it take longer to win at real casinos?
* Exactly why havent you won millions with real online casinos?
(its very easy to use another player's account to bypass USA restrictions, and you could win millions)
* Your current system is about hot numbers. Have you ever claimed you had the HG and that it was based about cold numbers?
I haven't asked you about anything that would reveal secrets of your system. Again the way I see it is you are harming people. And these important questions need to be asked.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 16, 06:00 PM 2018
I'd like to apologize to TG. Now I know it's true, it's possible!
I think I know the way TG plays.
Now I know it's possible to know what numbers to play. And it works 99%.
It works flatbet but its better using a positive progression.
Why positive?
Because we know it won't fail.
Why he will not say how to bet step by step?
The casinos WIIL change the rules.
Good for you. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018
* Does your system in any way change the ODDS of winning for the next spin?
(there is no grey answer. It's either yes or no, like the solution to a mathematical equation)
YES, I have it coded in excel.
* Is your system profitable without any progression?
YES
Good questions.
I play only at b&m casino.
I play only flat bet.
Thanks but I was asking turbo. And if you mean testing with Excel RNG, it's very bad RNG. It will constantly have runs of repeating numbers because of the algorithm it uses (research it). You need proper RNG to test.
And besides, turbo has said many times his system works because the spins are "random", despite the meaning of "random" being completely unpredictable (impossible to change the odds).
So without realizing it he said spins are random, it's impossible to change the odds, and that's why my system works. THE PROBLEM IS YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY BEAT ROULETTE WITHOUT CHANGING THE ODDS. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S THE SAME AS EARNING $100 IN A JOB, THEN HAVING $5 TAKEN AWAY FOR EVERY $100 EARNED, THEN EXPECTING TO BE LEFT WITH $100.
Really its like saying black is white, white is not black, black is nothing like black or white.
It is just completely backwards mixed with garbage and poor understanding.
I hate to bring bad news but rather than just call me a "naysayer", perhaps understand why I'm naysaying.
Again like I said, this is a lot like trying to logically prove Earth is flat. All the information just points the other way.
I'll do my best to answer your specific questions Steve -
but.. I have to make sure my wording is how I want it so bear with me.
I know to you it's easy yes or no questions, but for me it's not.
I'll do the best I can without exposing details, fair enough.
I'll work on the reply and post tomorrow as time permits.
As far as nay-saying - I think the problem is that you see 1 spin as the game, like I've told "Sir Anyone" lots of times (and here too).
You know the payout for any location and you know the odds of any location appearing - since they don't match (house edge) for an individual spin - then that's all you need. If that were it, there would be no need to search for any other way to play and win. But like I posted in the 60's thread at the other forum (and the video has since been taken down.. shame) - You can absolutely have a completely random event that can't be predicted - yet you can collect data and suddenly, by looking at it a different way, the completely independent and random events are predictable - you can damn near set a watch to how accurate it becomes. It's STILL random, each reading is still completely independent from the last - each individual event cannot be predicted - and yet yes.. There is a way to chart it where it's as close to 100% accurate as you can get. It's not a miracle or mumbo jumbo - it's just that someone thought "What happens if I stop thinking of each individual event as being random and unpredictable and look at the big picture"
Anyway, I'll reply as I said to your points.
I understand your thinking but it's like saying the more spins you see, the more even the about of reds/blacks will be - and that this is predictable.
Sure its predictable, but you are still not changing the odds at all.
It's like saying you predict the ball will eventually fall. But that doesn't at all help knowing where the ball will land.
anyway I'll wait for your other answers.
Morts #'s for today show no one downloaded. i'll wait 5 mins from post time of this reply and then download, then we'll see if wait for 20 spins and bet all repeats wins
Job done. By betting all the repeats +14
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Off track here, but look at the check point
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Look in testing zone 100 days of mort.
I see and you lot should as well, see the spins come 11-20; 7 non-hit, then 21-30; 5 more non-hit, then 31-40; 3 more non-hit, the avg for 40 spins showing in mort 100, avg 15,42
So today +1, 16 non-hit came, meaning 14 repeats.
Or in those 14 repeats HOTTIES
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 16, 10:32 PM 2018But like I posted in the 60's thread at the other forum (and the video has since been taken down.. shame)
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=NUvf6F-Whlc
;-)
Good to see this again after a year.
Quote from: fossell on Jan 17, 06:30 PM 2018link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=NUvf6F-Whlc
Thanks Fossell ! I tried to look for a different upload somewhere when the link went dead but wasn't finding one. Thank you
God I love those old films. I love this one especially. Good advice. Could save your life.
No nuke is a match for duck and cover:
The kid with a bike looks like he busted his teeth on the curb.
Also a good one:
More logical advice is get behind something very thick and dense, then when the aftershock passes, get the hell out of there to avoid radio fallout in the wind.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jan 16, 06:43 PM 2018
Spin of cycles of 37 spins over and over.
Near 24 numbers will appear once.
You can do this over and over and the total amount of numbers that appear will end up being 24-28.
I remember when I tested this kind of approaches, and I can say that, unfortunatly I have seen it go to 33. Very rare event, but it can happen.
Its time someone says it.... GO FURTHER THAN 37/38 SPINS !!!!!
Ask yourself these questions...
Do i see repeaters everytime i play/test?
Do i see some sessions where they come late ?
Do i see sessions where they come on time ?
Do i see sessions where they come fast?
Your answer should be YES to all.
Now how to bet ?
Flat?
Negative progression?
+1 ?
Your answer will be different from one person to another. Mine is NO to all.
Now what if.....we get a fast coming session? I mean the hotties are hitting so good that with a agressive positive progression our br shoots up and up and up and up and up .......
Now what if...we see that often? (Or often enough)
How would you devide your br?
(Lets say 1000 units)
How much would you bring for 1 session ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
(10 ? 50? 100? 200 ? 300 ? 500? 1000? )
:thumbsup:
What if u see a late coming and signicant br drawdown.! Would u take a loss or have something to pull it up?
Quote from: Madi on Jan 18, 01:51 PM 2018
What if u see a late coming and signicant br drawdown.! Would u take a loss or have something to pull it up?
My dd would be small. Nothing to worry about.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 10:04 PM 2018
Thanks but I was asking turbo. And if you mean testing with Excel RNG, it's very bad RNG. It will constantly have runs of repeating numbers because of the algorithm it uses (research it). You need proper RNG to test.
And besides, turbo has said many times his system works because the spins are "random", despite the meaning of "random" being completely unpredictable (impossible to change the odds).
So without realizing it he said spins are random, it's impossible to change the odds, and that's why my system works. THE PROBLEM IS YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY BEAT ROULETTE WITHOUT CHANGING THE ODDS. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. IT'S THE SAME AS EARNING $100 IN A JOB, THEN HAVING $5 TAKEN AWAY FOR EVERY $100 EARNED, THEN EXPECTING TO BE LEFT WITH $100.
Really its like saying black is white, white is not black, black is nothing like black or white.
It is just completely backwards mixed with garbage and poor understanding.
I hate to bring bad news but rather than just call me a "naysayer", perhaps understand why I'm naysaying.
Again like I said, this is a lot like trying to logically prove Earth is flat. All the information just points the other way.
It's a 1million games stats and not based on excel rng. No worries, the test is very reliable done by the best roulette statistician.
Even you or Tom, Dick or Harry who do this test will still get the same numbers. Whether you use live spins, rng or excel rng you will still get close to the ballpark numbers.
Yes, the odds are changed. Anyone who sees the math model will easily recognise the odds are clearly changed. :thumbsup:
(+1 hidden) .... hi Steve
Quote from: denzie on Jan 18, 03:20 PM 2018
My dd would be small. Nothing to worry about.
So u take a loss.
CHT, I simply don't believe you or perhaps you've made a mistake. If it's all correct and you have the HG, really I hope you destroy the casinos.
Why don't I think it's possible? Because the principles you're talking about are not valid. I know this from my own testing, and a lot more extensive testing from many professionals in the industry. Also statisticians etc. It is not hard to run automated software tests that check a principle over even billions of spins.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* Does your system in any way change the ODDS of winning for the next spin?
(there is no grey answer. It's either yes or no, like the solution to a mathematical equation)
If I take that literally, then no ? This isn't some yes or no question as you worded it - I win at a rate higher than the odds of the location(s) I'm betting on showing. This means if a location were to win 1:37 for example and I win 1:20 then I've changed the math of the game. (that's an example which means nothing in how I play but describes how the math can be changed).
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* Is your system profitable without any progression?
I play with a progression, progressions aren't the enemy and only amplify whatever is happening. If you're playing a method that loses - you'll lose more, if you're playing a winning method, you'll win more. In a typical system using a progression just means digging into a bottomless hole at some point and small wins that don't recover. That's not what I'm doing.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* Exactly what testing have you done, and with how many spins?
(for example, parx and with how many spins, and rng from what source, and how many spins)
I don't have exact numbers for you there, in RX perhaps 30k spins. At Park online I'm logged at 12,225 total played spins. Live play in the casino - around 500 total. Recently I started checking out "Roulette Simulator" after seeing it mentioned here - 46 total sessions and already at 9th on the leader board (seems that they never remove anyone - the guy in first played a few spins and had a good run but I'll easily pass him). 133k in profits. 460 players ? It's only been a few days - I can reach #1 pretty quickly. I don't expect it to count as proof of anything though, even though it keeps a good count of your wins and losses and the table maximums make it hard to jump up quickly.
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Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* The only results I've ever seen you publish are either from parx, or short term roulette xtreme charts. Regarding the roulette xtreme charts, why are they only short term results? (like 60 or so spins from memory)?
You only need to test a small number of spins, there's no need for a large chart. This all depends on what you're betting on and how - and how many variables there are.
For example, if you're betting straight up number(s) you'll need to test an incredibly large amount of spins compared to a person who's method is only on Red and Black. There are only so many possible outcomes that can happen with the RB person, so they don't need as many spins of testing. Make sense ?
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* What do you feel is the statistical relevance of so few spins in the roulette extreme charts?
Same as above. I can cover what can possibly happen in a much shorter number of spins.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* How much have you won in REAL MONEY with your system?
I'm not answering that for obvious reasons. Since anything I say wouldn't be verified regardless in a way that would matter as proof - it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* One day you were boasting about how much you won at parx, then the next you say you lost it all... INTENTIONALLY. Exactly would you do this?
Why would I do this ? I think that's what you meant. I did it to show that "everyone doesn't win regardless of how you play" which was a claim. That everyone wins and it's rigged for people to win. So I took a huge amount - told everyone ahead of time that I was going to lose it - and lost it. Nothing magical happened, I didn't just win and win regardless of how I bet. Seemed pretty accurate to me.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* Do you still claim that parx is not at all a rigged game?
(most recently you said the only difference is real casinos take longer to win at)
I'm still confident that it's not rigged whatsoever. I've put the spins into RX manually - it's not showing anything that would make it appear rigged.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* Exactly WHY does it take longer to win at real casinos?
Because I can "Turbo Mode" at Parx online and in the casino I will only play at a table for real money. That means a lot of waiting for spins to complete - certainly not 9 or 10 per minute like I can with the game site.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* Exactly why havent you won millions with real online casinos?
(its very easy to use another player's account to bypass USA restrictions, and you could win millions)
It's not my goal. I have an account at Golden Nugget (very very few onlines are legal in NJ - that's the only one with a live wheel and dealer/video feed). I'm also not going to play anywhere that I have to win 20x or 50x my deposit etc etc nonsense. And won't take any bonus whatsoever. It might become a good option in the near future but as we all know - they can just not pay out or claim a TOS violation since most all of them say that using systems or methods isn't permitted. I'll stick to sitting in the casino at the table for now.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 16, 06:55 PM 2018* Your current system is about hot numbers. Have you ever claimed you had the HG and that it was based about cold numbers?
I probably did at one point. I'm sure there's a thread or two to be found when I was on a "cold" kick. The point was that when cold numbers appear finally - they appear very close to what's expected or they won't repeat as being long term cold numbers. This is actually true and It works great. It's takes patience and more time than I would want to dedicate to it since it's incredibly better to use hot numbers.
I'm sure this aren't the best answers but.. there it is lol. I reserve the right to update or modify any of them if I made a mistake explaining or wasn't clear enough.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 18, 06:00 PM 2018
CHT, I simply don't believe you or perhaps you've made a mistake. If it's all correct and you have the HG, really I hope you destroy the casinos.
If you have not seen the model, I don't expect you to believe. I can explain it simply with examples but that will give it away to those who truly understand math and stats. TG has come close to give the explanation, he has done it a few times already.
If you don't change the odds there's ZERO chance of it to win itlr, no arguments there.
And YES the odds is changed without doubt. I know I have a no chance to lose system itlr, you guys call it HG whatever. I'm now working out a practical model to play at b&m casino, that's where I am at now.
Why don't I think it's possible? Because the principles you're talking about are not valid. I know this from my own testing, and a lot more extensive testing from many professionals in the industry. Also statisticians etc. It is not hard to run automated software tests that check a principle over even billions of spins.
You know it's not hard to run test. Anyone with rx coding skills can do it.
BUT very few understands the math. I mean very few. If I go into details, again I will unintentionally give it away. So your tests is invalid and useless, don't waste your time.
Perhaps I'll venture this far, this math is right under your nose all this while. How about if I told you you don't need to run the tests, you just need to understand the math ? It still come back to the math,
without which the odds will not change.
Btw I'm making all my posts from the casino resort room. :xd:
All anyone needs to know if something is false is to know one crtical element of the system's approach is correct. It is a "0" in the equation, and the result is therefore a "0".
Its like having a variety of variables that determine the winning number. If there is anything in the required chain of events that is completely unpredictable, then an edge is impossible. It's the case with any kind of play including roulette computers.
And in this case, the "0" is that hot numbers do not have any influence on future spins. How do I know this? Because you can check:
1. Any combination of spins that makes one or more numbers "hot"
2. Correlate the "hot numbers" to see if they have any bearing on future spins - either relatively near, or distant future.
Looking at a broader cycle is no different. Turbo talks short term. He isnt spending days at a time in casinos. So its even easier to test for short term patterns. I've done that, and looked at centuries worth of spins. It can be done in short periods with a computer.
The result is hot numbers are meaningless. They are no different to cold numbers, or any other combination of numbers. I have left automated software on for extended periods just checking every possible combination, like a computer decoding or trying to hack encryption. The principles can be tested with fewer numbers like say a wheel that had just 4 numbers. The principle same all the same though.
And again the result is hot numbers are meaningless unless there is a bias or underlying physical reason. Its not just me who has tested it thoroughly.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 18, 07:09 PM 2018This isn't some yes or no question as you worded it
You either do or dont change the odds. Its like you are or aren't pregnant. There's no "maybe". From what you said, you are changing the odds, without directly saying that.
I cant find you on that simulator. I assume you deleted your account.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 18, 07:09 PM 2018You only need to test a small number of spins, there's no need for a large chart. This all depends on what you're betting on and how - and how many variables there are. For example, if you're betting straight up number(s) you'll need to test an incredibly large amount of spins compared to a person who's method is only on Red and Black. There are only so many possible outcomes that can happen with the RB person, so they don't need as many spins of testing. Make sense ?
No it doesn't make sense because short term testing tells us nothing. It does not matter what you're betting and how. If you are looking purely at spin outcomes, with no other validating information, short term data is meaningless.
As it is now, it's unclear if you change the odds, and you say short term tests are all you need, although you have tested a significant amount of spins (still inadequate because even random bets can achieve good results over that many spins) on a game that's clearly rigged although you say it's not.
This is getting nowhere. I would like to believe you but I still cant see a valid point. Everything points the other way. Anyway if you have the HG, take the casinos for all you can.
Now .... from spin 1600 to 2200 your in the hole. That are 600 spins. That are 3 to 6 sessions at the casino. So does it win each and every time ?
No. If u consider a session with short number of spin . But if u consider a session with 30 days period then yes.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 19, 05:10 AM 2018
No. If u consider a session with short number of spin . But if u consider a session with 30 days period then yes.
Well said. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Jan 18, 12:46 PM 2018
How would you devide your br?
(Lets say 1000 units)
How much would you bring for 1 session ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
(10 ? 50? 100? 200 ? 300 ? 500? 1000? )
:thumbsup:
Ill ask it again ....
You already know this . Last thing that is not solved is when we know we r going to be in loss is there any way to pull it up rather than taking loss. I believe tg has a way to do this. And this why he goes up and up in parx.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 19, 05:43 AM 2018
You already know this . Last thing that is not solved is when we know we r going to be in loss is there any way to pull it up rather than taking loss. I believe tg has a way to do this. And this why he goes up and up in parx.
You stil dont get it. But you will soon. He did go down in parx too. Only difference is the speed for a session. There you can have a 600 spin hole and fix it and have a new high br dayly.
In a real casino that wouldnt be possible coz the time between spins
Quote from: denzie on Jan 19, 06:01 AM 2018In a real casino that wouldnt be possible coz the time between spins
Thats a mr J sentence
Quote from: Steve on Jan 18, 10:02 PM 2018You either do or dont change the odds. Its like you are or aren't pregnant. There's no "maybe". From what you said, you are changing the odds, without directly saying that.
I cant find you on that simulator. I assume you deleted your account.
My account is set to private. If it were public then anyone who wanted to could "re-watch" every spin played and where/how I bet. If you looked at the board then you would see the skip in positions from 8-10 because the 9th place person (me) is set to private.
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Quote from: Steve on Jan 18, 10:02 PM 2018No it doesn't make sense because short term testing tells us nothing. It does not matter what you're betting and how. If you are looking purely at spin outcomes, with no other validating information, short term data is meaningless.
Think of it this way - if you play straight ups, you have 37 (or 38) possible outcomes.
For multiple spins you have to test a lot of spins because of the possible combinations that can happen. Now someone who only uses Red and Black only has two possible outcomes - there's only so many possibilities that can happen.
So both players on the same table need different amount of spins in order to test what their system will do.
Sorry to interrupt, but what is "parx"? Is it a website with roullete?If yes, can someone point me a link? Thank you.
Quote from: vladir on Jan 19, 06:54 AM 2018
Sorry to interrupt, but what is "parx"? Is it a website with roullete?If yes, can someone point me a link? Thank you.
link:s://:.parxonline.com/slots.shtml
Where can i find this "roulette simulator?
And is it legit?
You can find it here. link:s://roulette-simulator.info
What do you mean by legit? You can try playing and there is nothing that suggests it should be rigged.
Looks like a similar game to MPR with leaderboard, but without live chat. Its hardly a simulator though.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 18, 07:09 PM 2018total sessions and already at 9th on the leader board (xxxx but I'll easily pass him). Xxx only been a few days - I can reach #1 pretty quickly.
These words say a lot about you. Nice.
First session was great...
Anyway it doesnt mean much but it showed what happens if the hotties are early. Made some bankrollS in 1 session
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Looks like a similar game to MPR with leaderboard, but without live chat. Its hardly a simulator though.
it says uses latest algo for random...does yours do it...
Maestro...its actually better. It shows your sessions in Nice graphs. Fun to play and no waiting.
Yup no chat but is that a must ?
No offence Steve...yours is ok too.
shuold have some charge just to motivate code writers..but hey hoo
Don't know how reliable roulette simulator is but love the graphs you get! Ive been working hard on a system with small drawdowns as no matter what people think of Mr J i agree i want a system thats wins in a b&M. I could never play with some of the crazy progressions or down swings i see! i look at some and you'd be 10/20 grand in the hole if playing here in london or betting thousands on a single number if even allowed! A session might be a few visits but what if that huge down swing is on your first visit?
The graph just reflects how the systems been doing for weeks in B&M and online but still not sure this site is reliable and might try parx again but my current way wont give me the quick huge wins the last did, i might even still hold the record for the amount won in a week (and lost :thumbsup: ).
Damn good. Quick and easy. These r just for practice. Real play b$m no argument.
Yeah in B&M ive never gone over 40 spins as thats about my limit ('m too easily distracted) but on line ive gone nearer 90 with similar results, of course over millions of spins it will fail O0
MPR is made however members want it. The chat window and same spins for everyone is a completely different approach. If you play another game, I'm not offended... you cheating, lying, infidel! Your mouse is clicking and clicking on another server's interface. Dont you know how hurtful that is???? I hope you catch a ctd virus.
So anything that works is met with:
"Not a real simulator"
"Not enough spins"
"Rigged for players to win"
etc.
Regardless of the RNG or how the spins are picked.
And if it does work - "RNG isn't the same as Live wheel spins" (even though we all know that no one can tell the difference between the two)
Or if it is live play - not enough spins, a lifetime of daily play is good for testing, etc.
It's amazing. Reminds me of politics - It's ok to have your cake and eat it too as long as it supports your beliefs.
A RNG where the player wins isn't a legit "test" so use another RNG and test 1 billion spins to make sure it loses - both using RNG (maybe even the same one).
If it wins in live play (slow.... impossible to test anything at that speed) - it's not enough spins - the wheel is possibly bias, etc. No credit there for results.
So there's no point really - that's where it's "going in circles", no evidence is good for proof unless it shows something losing (and only then it's not Rigged, it's accurate results). I don't get it.
And the last tonight to finish that off. Hopefully work again tomorrow in B&M.
Thanks to Turbo(and others) for starting me on repeats!
Quote"Not a real simulator"
"Not enough spins"
"Rigged for players to win"
So according to you, mathematically rigged games are ok. And statistically insignificant amount of spins is ok. Maybe that's why 99% of your play doesn't involve real money.
My beliefs don't change reality. Neither do yours. I remember now you say your system works because spins are random. That's a huge contradiction. Random is random is permanent negative expectation.
And actually you can tell the difference between rng and real spins, with enough spins
In the end i measure a systems success based on both appropriate testing, and how much real money it has made.
It's strange. The whole community of professional players, the ones who make the money, have been through the system period and know repeaters is nonsense. The clues are all there. Anyone can do proper testing. But most players don't, which is why they are stuck in fallacy without a clue they are.
Resolve it easily. Win your millions. When is the last time you read about system players winning millions?
QuoteMPR is made however members want it.
i never wanted some low life cunt to be able to log in my account and admin on the site to not give a shittt...
Maestro, calm down. Nobody has logged in your account except you. The problem is something simple like you logging in on another device. So all you need to do is clear browser data and log in on your new device. Look into things more before pointing fingers.
QuoteNobody has logged in your account except you.
not true...i did reset bank and had 1000 since then i have not play and is not 1000 now ...as admin on site you should delete account being used by someone else...
that is probably because the server was restored. Anyway more forward. Let me know if there are any problems
About proof, there's no proof that's good enough for both systems and AP in online environment.
However, genuine(not fake as in photoshop) results gives a good indication of the potential. The rest comes from the basis behind the system.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 19, 04:40 PM 2018So there's no point really - that's where it's "going in circles", no evidence is good for proof unless it shows something losing (and only then it's not Rigged, it's accurate results). I don't get it.
Why are you so obliged to provide a proof?
SomeOne interested in your methods will follow your methods irrespective of a proof. One who doesn’t or one who doubts, the proofs will never be sufficient as there is no clear mathematical proof that you have provided for your method apart from stating some facts. No one apart from you can prove/disprove whether your method works as it is private to you. Both sides are fair. To be fair to everyone, you will have to accept when people say repeaters don’t work because that is how much we know. You can’t expect yourselves to be opening peoples eyes by putting more fog in front of them.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 18, 12:46 PM 2018
How would you devide your br?
(Lets say 1000 units)
How much would you bring for 1 session ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
(10 ? 50? 100? 200 ? 300 ? 500? 1000? )
500 pr session. thats what i have experienced works best for a session
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 20, 02:36 AM 2018Why are you so obliged to provide a proof?
SomeOne interested in your methods will follow your methods irrespective of a proof. One who doesn’t or one who doubts, the proofs will never be sufficient as there is no clear mathematical proof that you have provided for your method apart from stating some facts. No one apart from you can prove/disprove whether your method works as it is private to you. Both sides are fair. To be fair to everyone, you will have to accept when people say repeaters don’t work because that is how much we know. You can’t expect yourselves to be opening peoples eyes by putting more fog in front of them.
Very well said.
Maybe go back to the basics.... the 37/38 people walk into the casino stuff...
Bet each numbers as it shows up.... use a 1/2/4/8/16/.... on a hit....
Do some testing to figure out which br to bring and how much you could win/lose per session( important)
Later cut down some numbers. How? Random choice? Or maybe just maybe play those with small gaps between hits. :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Jan 21, 07:02 AM 2018Maybe go back to the basics.... the 37/38 people walk into the casino stuff...
Very good advice
QuoteLater cut down some numbers. How?
simply out of numbers with above standart deviation if you pick numbers in 2 dozens or two colums you will end up i guess with 60% of the hotties and if you pick only one doz or colum you should get 33% of hot numbers
Quote from: maestro on Jan 21, 08:28 AM 2018
simply out of numbers with above standart deviation if you pick numbers in 2 dozens or two colums you will end up i guess with 60% of the hotties and if you pick only one doz or colum you should get 33% of hot numbers
Thats a way yes. Never tried that though. I prefer the gap way ;)
If we can "predict" X amount of numbers will remain "hot" from one cycle through the next cycle - we can benefit from betting them with a progression to cover the losses from the numbers that "don't" appear as hot in the following cycle.
Quote from: maestro on Jan 21, 08:28 AM 2018
simply out of numbers with above standart deviation if you pick numbers in 2 dozens or two colums you will end up i guess with 60% of the hotties and if you pick only one doz or colum you should get 33% of hot numbers
I'm sure Turbo posted something similar to this in the past...sit at the table and whatever dozen you are closest too (easy reach), simply start playing the numbers that have showed, and add a chip to any that win. At the end of the 37/38 spins reduce the number of chips on the numbers by 1, and start a new cycle on the same dozen. I think this is the basics of a really good system, and easy to play in a B&M, although, I'm sure there is most likely something a bit more to it, or, it can be tweaked??
Maybe a should post this in the repeats thread ;)
Quote from: JimmieB on Jan 21, 03:24 PM 2018
I'm sure Turbo posted something similar to this in the past...sit at the table and whatever dozen you are closest too (easy reach), simply start playing the numbers that have showed, and add a chip to any that win. At the end of the 37/38 spins reduce the number of chips on the numbers by 1, and start a new cycle on the same dozen. I think this is the basics of a really good system, and easy to play in a B&M, although, I'm sure there is most likely something a bit more to it, or, it can be tweaked??
Maybe a should post this in the repeats thread ;)
This is been coded... and well... :-\
At 37 spins, unhits = total repeats
Quote from: cht on Jan 21, 06:18 PM 2018
At 37 spins, unhits = total repeats
Is that a joke??
8)
Another "rigged" game is going to fall lol.
104 winning sessions, 4 days of work.
Getting to 2nd was hard enough, getting that guy who played only 3 sessions out of first is going to be hard work. I'm game.
(link:s://s17.postimg.org/ayuk57lnz/5a64ef35.jpg)
Someone named cammy162 is actually doing something I used to do years ago and it's working out pretty well for them. The problem is that it will lose big eventually, but for now it's working - might work long enough to climb the board more.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 21, 08:06 PM 2018getting that guy who played only 3 sessions out of first is going to be hard work
You mean he bet really big and got lucky. Its not that hard to rank high. Thats why MPR has a better ranking algorithm.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 21, 10:01 PM 2018
You mean he bet really big and got lucky. Its not that hard to rank high. Thats why MPR has a better ranking algorithm.
So yeah he got Lucky but....he wont stay that lucky. If TG keeps winning he will pass him. TG is right though...nobody can pass him. Including me or you or that sir anyone...
Fun game or not....he did it again :thumbsup:
He did it all in one big lucky betting session, and it's actually fun to watch.
Some super scary bets in there, some ridiculous unworldly table limits, and no time restrictions combine to rise him to the top. Awesome!
I hope this link works for those interested in checking it out..
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/game/b868a75cbe1372040841ba8235b4f070
Great job TG! :thumbsup:
QuoteHe did it all in one big lucky betting session,
luck is important...lol...8000 to 16000 on straights >:D
Turbo, if your results aren't luck, passing #1 would just be a matter of time. Not difficult as you say.
Anyone here could match your results so far. Your activity shows as lower than the lucky winner. That suggests you win big quickly too. Then had a series of smaller games. You could reset the winnings easily. Anyone can to make them look more successful than they are. This can't be faked in mpr because of the win rate. Its easily faked in this other site.
Im not being negative. I'm being realistic. Why not keep showing everyone how wrong i am?
Quote from: Steve on Jan 23, 02:57 AM 2018
Turbo, if your results aren't luck, passing #1 would just be a matter of time. Not difficult as you say.
Anyone here could match your results so far. Your activity shows as lower than the lucky winner. That suggests you win big quickly too. Then had a series of smaller games. You could reset the winnings easily. Anyone can to make them look more successful than they are. This can't be faked in mpr because of the win rate. Its easily faked in this other site.
Im not being negative. I'm being realistic. Why not keep showing everyone how wrong i am?
Steve I dont know about wrong or right. But im still waiting for you to tell me how to take 50k plus off online casinos without getting shown the door.
If you can do that. I will give you a chunk of the winnings.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 23, 03:02 AM 2018
Steve I dont know about wrong or right. But im still waiting for you to tell me how to take 50k plus off online casinos without getting shown the door.
If you can do that. I will give you a chunk of the winnings.
If you have a wining method, it's easy. Dont withdraw winings directly, instead play them on slots (the jackpot ones) and aim for a big win. When you win big, withdraw.
Well i pushed it to far...thats the only difference between fun and real money...I just try bit to much instead of cashing in
TG can i ask you...how far you push it ? After the big one hits...few spins more and cash in for the day?
Quote from: vladir on Jan 23, 04:30 AM 2018
If you have a wining method, it's easy. Dont withdraw winings directly, instead play them on slots (the jackpot ones) and aim for a big win. When you win big, withdraw.
You funny guy!
on slots? so that you lose them !
If you win try the tip from steven
Walking out with $50k winnings is not a problem. You'll probably have to get a check, record your name etc. But no problem. You'll only gte problems if you are doing it all the time, then your style of play and how you won will be looked at. In any case, it is not hard to avoid detection, but ultimately it limits your winnings. Eg with roulette computers you could theoretically win $1m in a day starting with $10,000. But then they will look at everything you did to win. And you would have needed a lot of spins to get to $1m. That will reveal what you are doing. Instead, more realistically, you'll need to bet just a few spins so it looks like short term luck, and win perhaps only $5000 in session (in a typical smaller casino). If done properly, on larger limit tables, $30k in a session is ok if done right - and it still looks like luck. Anyway there's a lot more to avoiding detection but its not something to discuss here.
Turbo, are you able to at least show us your session bankroll charts that all lead up to your current bankroll?
I was testing the other day starting from $3000 bankroll and got to $300,000 just with random bets and deadly progression. It wouldnt be hard to get to #1 on the leaderboard of that game - it just takes time and a lot of resets so nobody knows how much you also lost. Someone only needs to code a RX system with crazy progression, and use a combination of bets around a single number to get extend table betting limits. Then you need only that number, or numbers around it, to hit a few times. With the strong progression, it might take around 5 minutes to do. Anyway a well coded RX system will show this. Again it isnt possible on MPR because we track the lifetime win rate.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 23, 02:28 PM 2018
Walking out with $50k winnings is not a problem. You'll probably have to get a check, record your name etc. But no problem. You'll only gte problems if you are doing it all the time, then your style of play and how you won will be looked at. In any case, it is not hard to avoid detection, but ultimately it limits your winnings. Eg with roulette computers you could theoretically win $1m in a day starting with $10,000. But then they will look at everything you did to win. And you would have needed a lot of spins to get to $1m. That will reveal what you are doing. Instead, more realistically, you'll need to bet just a few spins so it looks like short term luck, and win perhaps only $5000 in session (in a typical smaller casino). If done properly, on larger limit tables, $30k in a session is ok if done right - and it still looks like luck. Anyway there's a lot more to avoiding detection but its not something to discuss here.
Turbo, are you able to at least show us your session bankroll charts that all lead up to your current bankroll?
I was testing the other day starting from $3000 bankroll and got to $300,000 just with random bets and deadly progression. It wouldnt be hard to get to #1 on the leaderboard of that game - it just takes time and a lot of resets so nobody knows how much you also lost. Someone only needs to code a RX system with crazy progression, and use a combination of bets around a single number to get extend table betting limits. Then you need only that number, or numbers around it, to hit a few times. With the strong progression, it might take around 5 minutes to do. Anyway a well coded RX system will show this. Again it isnt possible on MPR because we track the lifetime win rate.
Are you saying that turbo has lady luck always with him ?
I dunno yet how Turbo plays, but geeks rule the world these days and he might be one :)
QuoteI was testing the other day starting from $3000 bankroll and got to $300,000 just with random bets and deadly progression
16000 on numbers....flat
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 23, 02:55 PM 2018Are you saying that turbo has lady luck always with him ?
Parx is rigged, and I explained the math to prove it before.
I suspect with this new simulator it is short term sessions with very strong progression. I did it myself in a short time to $300k starting with $3k. Anyone can do this and reset sessions until they get a good run, then do a number of small sessions to manipulate the states to look like long term winnings. See what I wrote. Thats why I asked for the long term trend chart. And its why MPR works different using the lifetime win rate.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 23, 02:57 AM 2018Turbo, if your results aren't luck, passing #1 would just be a matter of time. Not difficult as you say.
Anyone here could match your results so far. Your activity shows as lower than the lucky winner. That suggests you win big quickly too. Then had a series of smaller games. You could reset the winnings easily.
I've NEVER reset my balance once. I'm at 116 winning "sessions" (which is thousands of spins) in a row with a balance of $354,688.00 in second place still (until I take over first).
Quote from: Steve on Jan 23, 04:02 PM 2018Parx is rigged, and I explained the math to prove it before.
I suspect with this new simulator it is short term sessions with very strong progression. I did it myself in a short time to $300k starting with $3k. Anyone can do this and reset sessions until they get a good run, then do a number of small sessions to manipulate the states to look like long term winnings.
Anyone can win at Parx, Anyone can win on this Simulator, Anyone can win on rng with RX -
It's amazing though - NO ONE is there other than me. It's amazing to keep reading (considering how much work it actually takes) that anyone can do it. People are trying but they aren't making it - lots of resets, lots of negative balances, etc. But here we are.
I have Zero resets. If I did I would drop off the leaderboard and have to work my way up again - which clearly I haven't done.
"It's easy to do, just do A, B, C and anyone can win".
Why doesn't "anyone" pass me ? You can claim everything is rigged all day, then it's rigged for "everyone", not just me. Yet somehow by some miracle only I can figure out to win.
Shrugs and sighs.
Sure someone could bet the max of 3k on a spin and keep resetting - their balance will show that (I hope). I see people 400k in the hole and still working on winning, good for them - as long as they learn along the way what doesn't work and they make changes to how they bet. There's no need for resetting or anything to be "fixed" when the math is in the player's favor. It's really that simple.
TG what have you set bet limit on single number, at roulette simulator. Thanks
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 23, 06:44 PM 2018(until I take over first).
Why would you want to do that?
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 23, 06:52 PM 2018TG what have you set bet limit on single number, at roulette simulator. Thanks
I take into consideration the table limits of whatever game I'm playing.
At Parx for example, on the Roulette Royale - there's practically no limits.
They do limit the max bet being one that doesn't allow a HUGE win (millions),
but for all sake and purposes this limit is never needed. However the min bet is
$100.00...... it's incredibly hard with the 100 min to "win" because even with a 3k daily log in bonus, you're looking at 30 spins betting that if you only played a single number. On the Euro wheel, the max on any number is 100.00 and the min is 10.00 - again, with these limits in place it's very hard to achieve a win long term (despite the claims of it being rigged, etc).
At the Simulator site - you are maxed out with a 3k bankroll, regardless of how much you have as a balance. (shame). The min and max are 1.00 to 250.00 on a number. Much more playable but the amount for a bankroll you get (3k) also limits how you can bet.
My point is - you have to know the lower and upper limits for the locations that you plan to bet on. Then you need to set out a plan that stays within those limits - each site/game is different (unlike in the casino where the limits can change depending on time of day or day of week, but they are still predictable).
So once you know the range that you can bet for the locations that you are betting, (assuming you are using a system that works) - you can set up your progression accordingly.
If you believe "Anything that isn't flat bet is a loser" - then you're wrong.
Even without the house edge, you could theoretically even have a math edge and still lose because the worst case scenario can happen.
Sorry if this isn't specific but it's still important for people to read.
Know your table limits (game or real) - know what your method/system can do and then plan accordingly.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 23, 07:26 PM 2018Why would you want to do that?
I'm motivated to win. Losing is never an option. If it takes me a while to get there I'm ok with that. I just don't like to lose, no one does - play mode, real, you name it.
Again turbo can you please post the chart for the whole bankroll trend?
Also yes its rigged for everyone on parx. That's why there are lots of millionaires there.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 23, 08:10 PM 2018That's why there are lots of millionaires there.
No, as I explained before - when you have a $100.00 min chip value on roulette - there are going to be huge winners. You'll see a min win of $3,500.00 for crying out loud lol.
The slot machines that those "millionaires" are winning on (look them up) are $300.00 min per pull. There's going to be HUGE payouts (note on both of these situations, almost everyone will lose and they do.....)
Verdict - basing "rigged" on the money people have won is wrong. If the min bet was $1.00 for example, or the slots were $0.25 per pull - you would never see anyone with giant balances. It's just math.
an apple that cost 1.00 to someone who has no money is a lot.
an apple that cost $100.00 to a millionaire is just a apple. There's no difference.
It's only how the observer sees it that makes your opinion seem valid.
Well said Turbo !!!
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 23, 06:52 PM 2018
TG what have you set bet limit on single number, at roulette simulator. Thanks
Good question as he changed his progression a few times in his posts.
Started with 1/5 or 5/25 or 25/100
He said we could use 1/2/3/4/5/6/...
Then 5/10/15/20/.... (last graphs played with this)
:question:
You missed my point. You say parx isnt rigged when it is. The math is clear. And real casinos dont make so many millionaires. Yes slot limits are higher, which is why most higher ranked players are slot players. But its easy to use bet combinations to extend roulette table betting limits.
Are you going to publish the bankroll trend charts?
Quote from: Steve on Jan 24, 04:09 AM 2018
Are you going to publish the bankroll trend charts?
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 24, 04:09 AM 2018Are you going to publish the bankroll trend charts?
Of course, but I'm just enjoying the fact that you keep asking.
As if it's going to show something other than what I've been saying ?
It's going to show a climbing chart since I started isn't it ?
Is that going to convince you 1% that I'm telling the truth, or will you just
look at the chart and come up with another "rigged" statement ?
Quote from: denzie on Jan 24, 03:53 AM 2018Good question as he changed his progression a few times in his posts.
Started with 1/5 or 5/25 or 25/100
He said we could use 1/2/3/4/5/6/...
Then 5/10/15/20/.... (last graphs played with this)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 23, 07:33 PM 2018My point is - you have to know the lower and upper limits for the locations that you plan to bet on. Then you need to set out a plan that stays within those limits - each site/game is different (unlike in the casino where the limits can change depending on time of day or day of week, but they are still predictable).
So once you know the range that you can bet for the locations that you are betting, (assuming you are using a system that works) - you can set up your progression accordingly.
Wow, that copy/paste ie. repeating myself sure saves time. I don't have to type.
If the table limits are 1-10 (like the euro wheel at Parx) then surely I wouldn't be able to use 5/25/100 or anything that went beyond 10.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 24, 07:18 AM 2018
Wow, that copy/paste ie. repeating myself sure saves time. I don't have to type.
If the table limits are 1-10 (like the euro wheel at Parx) then surely I wouldn't be able to use 5/25/100 or anything that went beyond 10.
Alright thx. That answered a question that was in my mind for months :thumbsup:
A aggressive short progression it shall be :)
Steve, Denzie
are you still interested to see the chart of the bankrol's trend?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jan 24, 02:43 PM 2018
Steve, Denzie
are you still interested to see the chart of the bankrol's trend?
Sure
You've never been so cagey about any of your systems Turbo.......
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 24, 06:18 AM 2018Of course, but I'm just enjoying the fact that you keep asking.
I'm not interested in childish games. I asked because it would help determine if your wins were gradual, or sudden. Again, anyone can win $300k starting with $3k with the approach I explained. Then they'd play a series of shorter sessions which makes it look like they've won from a larger series of sessions. The result would be high bankroll but with lower activity stars - just like in your screenshot.
I suspect you are extending betting limits with a combination of bets. For example, bet on 1 number until you profit, then restart. Otherwise use progression that includes splits, streets etc. The result would be if you have unlimited bankroll, you could keep increasing progression and get a large bankroll. But eventually, the progression would fail and you lose the lot.
If you were using the system you've described (repeaters), then you are probably betting on recent past numbers. For example:
- Start betting on whatever numbers have spun. Track 37 spins per cycle. You are expecting there to be some repeats increase of 37 unique numbers.
- If you lose on one cycle, use progression for the next cycle.
OR
- Increase bets the more a number repeats in the 37 spin cycle
I get what you are trying to do, but it doesn't work because the accuracy is not changing. Betting repeaters isnt any more accurate than betting random numbers.
Anyway I do have an open mind to the possibility of you having something new. But I just haven't seen anything to suggest this is the case. The information you've given suggests the opposite because your approach is no different to random bet selection. The high bankroll is not impressive because anyone can restart the ranked game and try again. And nobody would know about the restart.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 11:40 PM 2018I get what you are trying to do, but it doesn't work because the accuracy is not changing. Betting repeaters isnt any more accurate than betting random numbers.
I don’t know what turbogenius is doing. But I know for a fact that the above statement can be disproved easily through mathematics. Accuracy should not be viewed as predicting next spin. Accuracy here should be viewed as a statistical significance of a certain set of numbers appearing within a certain number of spins governed by laws of probability. If some one is claiming I can predict with 100% accuracy next 36 spins will contain number 23 then it is easy to see that the claim doesn’t have a mathematical basis. However if someone is claiming that I can predict with 80% accuracy that one of the four numbers will come up in next 36 spins, then it can be probed further.
The odds of next spin will always remain 37:1, as the spins are independent. However repeaters can happen only on numbers that has happened before. Only a number that has repeated twice can repeat thrice in a stream of numbers, only a number that has repeated thrice can repeat four times etc. Looking at repeaters creates a bias. Not because they are hot numbers or an imbalance in the wheel etc, but because they are dependent on what has happened in the past. This is distinct from past spins not impacting future spins as they are independent, which they are. But without the past spins repeaters as a term itself doesn’t have a meaning, which implies there is a dependency. This may not change any odds as even the bias is driven by odds, but there is a potential to look into that bias and try exploit it.
No the math proves you're incorrect. Carefully check your calculations.
You think you're narrowing down the odds. But all you're doing is gradually increasing the number of pockets you're betting on. Eventually you will win, but with odds the same as random bet selection. Simply test thoroughly.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 04:35 AM 2018
You think you're narrowing down the odds.
No I don’t. Just so that we are talking the same thing, can I ask you what do you mean when you say “oddsâ€.
All I am saying is odds of a repeater are different from odds of a number. If there are three spins and the first spin is 31. Odds of next spin being 31 is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 5 is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 31 as a repeater is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 5 as a repeater is 0. I don’t think anyone will disagree to this. This is a simple example which can be extrapolated to complex scenarios.
Now, I agree with you on the rest unless someone proves that is wrong, as I don’t know how to use this information effectively.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 23, 07:37 PM 2018
I'm motivated to win. Losing is never an option. If it takes me a while to get there I'm ok with that. I just don't like to lose, no one does - play mode, real, you name it.
Why are you wasting your time on a toy. Get out there and cane the real game. And make a noise that comes back to Steves ears.
He thinks no one can make a living off this game unless they are using some computer to cheat.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 29, 09:57 AM 2018He thinks no one can make a living off this game unless they are using some computer to cheat.
Actually it's that I understand primary school math. You cant win long term if payouts are always lower than the odds (unless they have extreme luck, but that's not "making a living" is it?). Are you saying otherwise? That would be like saying 35 can be greater than 37, for no reason at all.
Anyone paying attention would know I explain many different ways its possible to beat roulette, without a computer.
Can u show ur method that u used to play as a winner for years then down?
I take it you are in second place Turbo! I am in hot pursuit in 3rd! >:D
Madi, if you mean my method, it was just a basic dozens progression. And sometimes I would extend progression using inside bets. It was as good as random bets of different size but I didnt know that back then.
Thats ok thanks. Just wanted to know what u used to play in ur early days
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 29, 05:38 AM 2018can I ask you what do you mean when you say “oddsâ€.
Odds are basically expected frequency. For example, there are 37 pockets so if you bet 1 number, the ODDS are you'll win 1 in 37 spins.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 29, 05:38 AM 2018All I am saying is odds of a repeater are different from odds of a number
No, they are exactly the same. Many people say what you said, but it's completely wrong. The odds of 1,2,3 or 1,1,1 or 13,13,13 or 23,14,15 or 14,9,0 are all exactly the same.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 29, 05:38 AM 2018If there are three spins and the first spin is 31. Odds of next spin being 31 is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 5 is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 31 as a repeater is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 5 as a repeater is 0
Regarding the red part, WHY have the odds changed?
If you or anyone used the free software i published, you could plainly see the odds dont change after any sequence.
For example, check a billion spins for a sequence of 1,1,1,1 and see how often 1, 13, 14,17, etc spins next. You will find roulette couldnt care less about what you expect will spin more frequently, or happen less, or more.
What good is publishing free software, and spending lots of time to help players if they dont actually listen to reason and test? Players who don't test tend to throw stupid comments like "you're just trying to sell computers" or "you dont have an open mind".
Why bother study statistics if random is unpredictable ?
Causal statistics is only one branch of statistics.
It's not the be all and end all.
You cant beat roulette with statistics alone.
Trying to do so shows you don't understand what statistics represent. Mostly it's just history and expectation.
An example of where statistics can be used is wheel bias. You could see which numbers won most. You could also see if those numbers were in the same sector. And you could determine the statistical relevance of the data, which may suggest with high probability that:
1. Specific numbers won more (with greater occurrences than normal variance)
2. These numbers were very close together on the wheel (unlikely to be coincidence)
3. The combination of the above, which makes it even more abnormally high chance that it's not a coincidence
One way to not use statistics is:
After 1000 spins, most are red, so we should bet black because we expect there will eventually be an even number of reds and blacks. There are many problems with this way of thinking. for one thing, where does your sample start and end? Maybe the previous 10,000 spins have a heavy affinity towards red. And why on earth would this affinity continue? Is it just plain variance? You know even with RNG, you still get much the same variance.
But often what people call "statistics" is just their own misunderstanding of statistics. Opinion and misunderstanding doesnt change reality.
So there are valid ways of using statistics to help win roulette. The valid ways use statistics to calculate the probability of events being "not random". They do NOT directly use statistics as a way to change the odds.
Quote from: cht on Jan 29, 09:50 PM 2018
Why bother study statistics if random is unpredictable ?
Causal statistics is only one branch of statistics.
It's not the be all and end all.
Causal statistics does not naturally inherit higher priority in accuracy. It's as accurate or inaccurate as any branch of statistics.
The biggest fallacy promoted on this forum
What is "casual statistics"? How is it different from "statistics"?
In the end it's all just math. Math is one expression of reality. But math is not what makes things happen. What makes things happen are the real physical variables and interactions of energy.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 10:08 PM 2018
But math is not what makes things happen.
The purpose of math is never to make things happen.
What makes things happen are the real physical variables and interactions of energy.
You have to prove that,
not by some youtube videos.
Probably over a million bets played over a million roulette wheels spun by a million dealers.
Btw it's only a million. :)
Regarding the red part, WHY have the odds changed?
U know better why the odd have changed. His statement is very clear i believe.
Cht
Dont bet on red and black at a time . If u do so we cant blame u.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 10:08 PM 2018
What makes things happen are the real physical variables and interactions of energy.
The required proof is to -
Put up an academic paper for peer review in the physics math fraternity. :thumbsup:
There's none at the moment.
Quote from: cht on Jan 29, 10:33 PM 2018You have to prove that, not by some youtube videos.
Proof of cause and effect? Ok, here's proof..
Go to the nearest brick wall, then punch into it as hard as you can with your bare fist. It will hurt. That's cause and effect.
Cause and effect, beyond any reasonable doubt, is very easy to determine. For more complex matters, you need more extensive tests and observation. But you know here we arent talking about anything complicated. Actually it's really simple. The dynamics of why most players lose is simply they dont win enough to overcome the unfair payouts.
On the note about proof, where's your proof we arent living in a computer simulation? You cant prove this. We might be. And really we cant 100% prove anything. But we can at the very least make observations, and do testing, and come to a reasonable conclusion. And that's what "proof" is. It's as good as proof can get.
Quote from: cht on Jan 29, 10:33 PM 2018Probably over a million bets played over a million roulette wheels spun by a million dealers. Btw it's only a million.
No you dont need that many if you already have backup data. For example, with a roulette computer, you can have a beep when the ball is predicted to hit a specific diamond. You can plainly see and hear the beep is very accurate. It's certainly not random. And then you can see the ball bounce a predictable distance after it falls. You only need to see it a few times to know realistically where the accuracy comes from, and that its not coincidence.
Also you can see a ball hit a specific diamond again and again, for just 10-20 spins, and you'll have a very good idea that a diamond is dominant.
But where you need much more data is when testing systems that are nothing but numbers and numbers. For example, to test if the sequence of 1,2,3 will spin more frequently than 34,2,8 or 32,0,14 will need much more than 100 or so spins. You need hundreds of thousands or more spins.
I mean you are unlikely to get the sequence you want (1,2,3 or any other sequence you're checking) in just a few spins. And then you need to test the next number after 1,2,3 for many times. Otherwise your results could very easily be common variance.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 29, 10:39 PM 2018Regarding the red part, WHY have the odds changed? U know better why the odd have changed. His statement is very clear i believe
What are you talking about? His statement is blatantly false. The sequence he said that has 0 chance is 31, 31, 5, 31, 5. But this will happen as often as any other sequence of 5 numbers. So 31,4,15,18,0 is just as rare. This stuff is FUNDAMENTAL. Don't argue about it. Just test with the free software I provided, or get a coder to create your own program. The more spins you test, the clearer the truth is. Or are you going to not test and just state what you believe is the truth?
Really I spend a lot of time here repeating the same thing. And people still dont get it. This is not about me being a math or roulette whiz. This is really basic stuff and people are still getting it wrong. JUST TEST FOR YOURSELF AND SEE.
You also need to understand casino staff laugh their asses off at players on forums who still don't get it. The players are a joke to them.
Anyone with even basic understanding of the games and math take the knowledge for granted.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 11:06 PM 2018
Proof of cause and effect? Ok, here's proof..
Go to the nearest brick wall, then punch into it as hard as you can with your bare fist. It will hurt. That's cause and effect.
Cause and effect, beyond any reasonable doubt, is very easy to determine. For more complex matters, you need more extensive tests and observation. But you know here we arent talking about anything complicated. Actually it's really simple. The dynamics of why most players lose is simply they dont win enough to overcome the unfair payouts.
Yeah right. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 11:13 PM 2018
You also need to understand casino staff laugh their asses off at players on forums who still don't get it. The players are a joke to them.
Anyone with even basic understanding of the games and math take the knowledge for granted.
While they are laughing they disallow the use of mobile phones. :thumbsup:
Oops I forgot it's the cheat physics computers. >:D
Your response to logic is "yeah right". And you take a stab at what is without a doubt the most effective way of winning roulette.
You know we only use the computers where they are legal. We never break laws. It is never the legal definition of "cheating" where we play. They are never "allowed" though. Exactly the same as constant winning is never "allowed". Any constant winner needs to avoid detection, no matter how they win.
Anyway now you're just posting crap because you don't have anything better. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 11:31 PM 2018
Your response to logic is "yeah right". And you take a stab at what is without a doubt the most effective way of winning roulette.
You know we only use the computers where they are legal. We never break laws. It is never the legal definition of "cheating" where we play. They are never "allowed" though. Exactly the same as constant winning is never "allowed". Any constant winner needs to avoid detection, no matter how they win.
Anyway now you're just posting crap because you don't have anything better. :thumbsup:
No better crap than yours. :thumbsup:
PUT UP ACADEMIC PAPER FOR PEER REVIEW.
ELSE IT'S CRAP. :xd:
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 29, 05:38 AM 2018
. If there are three spins and the first spin is 31. Odds of next spin being 31 is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 5 is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 31 as a repeater is 37:1. Odds of next spin being 5 as a repeater is 0.
U shouldnt disagree. As 5 has not appear ,
after 31 next spin 5 as repeater has 0 chance.
And baiting is allowed for the owner. :thumbsup:
You want an academic paper for the primary school math, or basic roulette wheel physics?
I'm not sure I'm smart enough to cover the plus tables. As for roulette computers, start with Claude Shannon's work. There's a whole book explaining the basics. Also try the book "The Romeo Project". Then try the lab testing report, detailing the testing requested by the UK Gambling Commission, and done by the UK Weights and Measures Laboratory - although they applied only very basic approaches more as a proof of concept. Academic papers such as those are great for armchair scientists (people who never actually "do").
But if you're after more hands-on proof, anyone can visit me for a demo. You can even aim a camera at a wheel you own and let my computers send you predictions live via skype - use a wheel "they" see cant be beaten. You see everything down to beeps when the ball is predicted to fall or hit diamonds. It's clear enough proof even for a stoned chimpanzee.
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I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. I'm not trying to convince you of anything except how the house edge works, and why most systems fail. I don't care if you have a hard time believing what roulette computers do. I only brought them up as an example of cause, effect, and statistics, like bias analysis.
cht really I'm not arguing with you or anyone. I'm just saying do proper testing, and let that clear up things.
Quote from: Madi on Jan 30, 12:02 AM 2018U shouldnt disagree. As 5 has not appear ,
after 31 next spin 5 as repeater has 0 chance.
What are you talking about? After every spin, no exception, the odds of any numbers spinning next are always 1 in 37.
To be technical though, the odds of any number spinning next are actually 100%. That's because everything happens as a sequence of events. What happens just happens. But you dont know and cannot calculate the variables with anywhere near 100% accuracy. You can still usually calculate enough of the important variables to be accurate enough to overcome the house edge -- but that's another story.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 08:38 PM 2018Regarding the red part, WHY have the odds changed?
Clearly either you are not able to see past what you believe or you don’t want to. if you read the sentence again, you will get the answer you are asking. That is end of discussion for me. Thanks for patiently answering my questions.
Tin, what you said was clear in my language. The problem is you were wrong. Or maybe you didn't convey your message clearly. The odds of the next number don't magically drop to zero. Its pretty hard to justify that logic.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 05:16 PM 2018
Anyone paying attention would know I explain many different ways its possible to beat roulette, without a computer.
Oh really ? If i recall i did made a topic specially for that. But no answer came.
Lets try again...you sit down at the table with chips , drinks and NO electronic stuff.... whats your next move? :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 03:42 AM 2018Or maybe you didn't convey your message clearly. The odds of the next number don't magically drop to zero.
I don’t think I can be more clear than what I have written. There is no magic here. What I have tried explaining is odds of a number and odds of that Number to be called a repeater can be different.
You are stuck on odds of next Number and hence you are not able to see past that to read what I have written. I suggest you read that one last time and if you think you still not get why I have written the odds of repeater to be 5 is zero, then let’s play a game of question and answers.
I go to a roulette table. I place my bet on 25. What is the odds of next Number being 25? No added sentences, if you really want to give me a chance to explain and want you to be given a chance to understand just answer these in one word. This is first of three questions.
Tin, the odds of repeaters are no different. You dont know what youre talking about.
Denzie, and i already said roulettephysics.com has free systems that work. Start with the free vb system. Rather than me repeat the information, its easier you see the material already there.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 05:00 AM 2018
Tin, the odds of repeaters are no different. You dont know what youre talking
I know what am talking. Please answer my question if we need to get the bottom of this. Else don’t blame someone that they are wrong. If you would like to continue am still waiting for the answer to my pointed question. What are the odds of next Number being 25. Only two more questions, I promise.
1 in 37
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 05:20 AM 2018
1 in 37
Thank you.
Now I have been very lucky and the ball lands in 25. I collect the chips the dealer gives and encash it. But wanted to watch what is happening and whether my luck will continue. I am a great fan of repeaters and also my lucky number is 1. I stay at the table watching the dealer spin again. Remember I have played only one spin so far which is 25. What are the odds that the
next spin is my lucky number 1
and it is a repeater. Note the emphasis on “next spin†and “AND†before you give your answer.
1 would not be a repeater because you only considered one other spin, which was 25. Nevertheless theres a 1 in 37 chance the next spin is 1.
Both statements are correct and that is what I was saying earlier. We didn’t have to go into the third question.
I am not negating what you are saying that the odds of numbers don’t change and for any number it is always 1 in 37. What am trying to establish is as soon as you associate a character with a Number based on something that is happening in a set of spins, the odds do change. In this example it is a repeat. There are a number of characteristics one can play around with. It opens an entirely new avenue to look at roulette numbers rather than just looking at them as individual slots in the wheel.
Now all said and done, I don’t know how to apply this in playing, but may be someone has like turbogenius.
Quote from: denzie on Jan 30, 04:05 AM 2018
Oh really ? If i recall i did made a topic specially for that. But no answer came.
Lets try again...you sit down at the table with chips , drinks and NO electronic stuff.... whats your next move? :thumbsup:
Do you expect to be any different this time? :smile:
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 30, 08:48 AM 2018
Both statements are correct and that is what I was saying earlier. We didn’t have to go into the third question.
I am not negating what you are saying that the odds of numbers don’t change and for any number it is always 1 in 37. What am trying to establish is as soon as you associate a character with a Number based on something that is happening in a set of spins, the odds do change. In this example it is a repeat. There are a number of characteristics one can play around with. It opens an entirely new avenue to look at roulette numbers rather than just looking at them as individual slots in the wheel.
Now all said and done, I don’t know how to apply this in playing, but may be someone has like turbogenius.
I have referred to it as the math model. This explains for the reason the casinos don't allow the use of mobile phones that aid in the stats calculations. Genius is when this process can be done with the grey cells top of our head. :thumbsup:
So your first move is.....
Quote from: denzie on Jan 30, 09:50 AM 2018
So your first move is.....
Take a sip of that drink
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 11:40 PM 2018I'm not interested in childish games. I asked because it would help determine if your wins were gradual, or sudden. Again, anyone can win $300k starting with $3k with the approach I explained.
eh it's a bit childish I agree, but anything I say or post is met with "fixed" or "rigged" or that I cheated or did something impossible. But fair enough, here's the chart - not a single reset from the start (dates are shown). I did start the first few days with small chips because I was experimenting a bit to see how fair the game was. Seems legit (but will end up being "fixed" at some point because I can't possibly be telling the truth ?)
I have a large reply to the posts made since my last one, but as I'm in the 4th day of the worst flu I've ever experienced, I'm out of commission temporarily. Whatever this is, I wish it on no one. Between the hospital and my bed at home, that's been my last 4 days wrapped up. But yes I have a huge reply coming. (of course).
I almost miss Bago - he would say "Turbo is faking the flu because he doesn't want to answer questions...lame excuse !". I miss that guy, lol.
(link:s://s17.postimg.org/dwbhsowsf/simulator_chart.jpg)
ps/ I did start a TurboTemp account name as well - because I wanted to try every trick in the book to make sure no one could cheat (I'm pretty good at finding that kind of stuff - and so far there's no way around the rules, so that's a plus in my book).
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 05:16 PM 2018
Actually it's that I understand primary school math. You cant win long term if payouts are always lower than the odds (unless they have extreme luck, but that's not "making a living" is it?). Are you saying otherwise? That would be like saying 35 can be greater than 37, for no reason at all.
Anyone paying attention would know I explain many different ways its possible to beat roulette, without a computer.
I am saying different. You cant be lucky for years. The system you use either has enough ACCURACY to hit a win in a given sequence or it doesnt.
Theres no luck there at all. A few weeks ago you said if somone has a mechanical system that really works. Why arent they taking the casinos for millions.
When I gave you the reality check about nobody being allowed to do so. Your comeback was thats nonsense. So I put to you. If its nonsense, please direct me to an online casino..That will even allow me to take them for 50k.
You gave no reply Steve. If you want to be shown that a good mechanical system will take a casino to pieces. Im ready to show it.
The problem is these casino staff you claim will be laughing their asses off. Wont be laughing for long. Theyll be thinking up an excuse to stop me.
Because I can tell you this with absolute certainty. They will start to panic long before you will ever admit you are wrong.
They will know unless they stop me. I will take their profit margin seriously down. All I need is a casino who wont panic.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 12:46 PM 2018
eh it's a bit childish I agree, but anything I say or post is met with "fixed" or "rigged" or that I cheated or did something impossible. But fair enough, here's the chart - not a single reset from the start (dates are shown). I did start the first few days with small chips because I was experimenting a bit to see how fair the game was. Seems legit (but will end up being "fixed" at some point because I can't possibly be telling the truth ?)
I have a large reply to the posts made since my last one, but as I'm in the 4th day of the worst flu I've ever experienced, I'm out of commission temporarily. Whatever this is, I wish it on no one. Between the hospital and my bed at home, that's been my last 4 days wrapped up. But yes I have a huge reply coming. (of course).
I almost miss Bago - he would say "Turbo is faking the flu because he doesn't want to answer questions...lame excuse !". I miss that guy, lol.
(link:s://s17.postimg.org/dwbhsowsf/simulator_chart.jpg)
ps/ I did start a TurboTemp account name as well - because I wanted to try every trick in the book to make sure no one could cheat (I'm pretty good at finding that kind of stuff - and so far there's no way around the rules, so that's a plus in my book).
Quote from: keepontryin on Jan 30, 03:35 PM 2018
your the best turbo been listening to you since the old gamblerglen days......i believe you 100% been tryin to figure out what your doing and i must say it all sounds simple ......but ill keepontryin.......more clues may help.........
Why do u need online casino? Go to b$m . They allow u to pick up 50k everyday.
This was TG reporting live from the casino. Back to you Steve :lol:
(Grabs popcorn)
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 03:11 PM 2018I am saying different. You cant be lucky for years
Of course you can. It more depends on factors such as the amount of spins you play. If you run simulations with testing software, even with a losing system, you can see some tests show a profit after even 20,000+ spins. I played for a year with a losing system, and was profiting - until the very end. There are also many players who have been playing for many years, and have profited so far.
A good example of what happens in real casinos is at link:://:.rouletteplayers.org/leaderboard/
It shows data like bankroll, and amount of spins played, but most importantly win rate. This is the ratio between wins and losses. About 0.973 is expected because of the house edge. If you tally up all the winnings and all the losses of the players, you get 975659848/1002385765 = 0.973 as expected.
This means on average, the players combined have lost, and the casino has profited.
But still we have people with really bad luck (very low win rate). These people are convinced their system doesn't work. And we have players with very good luck (very high win rate). These people think their system is the HG. Are they right? No. All that's happening is typical variance. Some players win, some players lose.
When the spins and game are realistic, the results are usually as expected:
The columns are BANKROLL PLAYED SPINS AMOUNT BET AMOUNT LOST WIN RATE
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And
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I recall now you told me you had one account for messing around, and one you were trying to do well on. So what happened??
Quote from: denzie on Jan 30, 09:50 AM 2018So your first move is.....
Observe the wheel design, the ball used, the dominant diamonds, and all the other typical signs that the wheel is likely to give more predictable spins than others. Professional play all starts with wheel selection. Denzie, I'm not going to give a full course right here. Like I already explained, there are free methods I already offer on my website.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 03:11 PM 2018When I gave you the reality check about nobody being allowed to do so. Your comeback was thats nonsense. So I put to you. If its nonsense, please direct me to an online casino.That will even allow me to take them for 50k.
No, it is simply how things work. Again it's not uncommon for players to win over $50k in one session. It more depends on the table limits. The most any of my players have won at an online casino (in one session) is something like 70k euros, and they were paid. But I have other online players that won just $500 or so and had accounts restricted, presumably because the player's activity before betting, and style of play, raised red flags.
Online casinos operate a bit differently because they can usually get away with more than a real casino would (depending on jurisdiction). Most online casinos can refuse payout for any reason they want - even if they just make up a reason. They know you wont take them to court and that even if you did, there's not much chance you'll win.
It isnt so easy for real casinos to make up excuses to refuse payout. There is video evidence that can support you. Generally in real casinos, if you win big, there will be a delay for payout as the surveillance staff check for anything suspicious in recordings. An organized team can easily avoid the attention if they know what to do. But I'm not going to discuss how we avoid detection here except to say one simply technique is splitting chips between players/people to avoid reporting thresholds.
Now for the important part: if there was a system that did not appear to be anything like advantage play, and the player won big, the casino would have no reason to suspect the big winnings were due to anything but luck. Compare roulette computers where you can only win with late bets, so you must disguise your bets with intentionally losing bets - which limits winnings. So your winnings are more limited. Now compare to something like a typical system with progression - and with such a system, it doesn't look suspicious at all. So the player can win much more without drawing any attention.
Putting it into context, an organized roulette computer team can win $5,000 - $10,000 in a typical small stakes casino usually without suspicion (much more is possible in higher stakes environments, without drawing too much attention). But if a player won twice this amount with typical system betting approaches, the casino would not get suspicious even if they won much more. And
it would be much easier to win into the millions with the HG because you could play anywhere, online or real casinos, new or old wheels, bouncy balls or predictable balls -- there would be no significant limitations. So my point is if Turbo really had the HG, he could very easily be earning tens of millions in a short time. It would be very easy to avoid detection provided he kept each session below the reporting threshold, which is not hard to do. But
instead what we get is turbo wasting weeks with fun money, instead of real money. If he could do it with real money on the same scale as fun money, he would be doing it. It's the same for everyone else who has the "HG".
Quote from: cht on Jan 30, 09:09 AM 2018I have referred to it as the math model. This explains for the reason the casinos don't allow the use of mobile phones that aid in the stats calculations. Genius is when this process can be done with the grey cells top of our head.
The math is simple: payouts are lower than the odds. You cant use that to win. You cant change the payouts. You need to change the odds.
No casino "allows" electronics, because they easily beat casinos. That's my preferred method. I like to make it easy. And although it's "not allowed", it is still legal in about half of casinos. That's my choice, it doesn't affect anyone except the poor billionaire casino owners. I already explained there are ways to win without computers. I'll respond to turbo in next post.
Turbo, thanks for posting the chart.
1. My first question is why couldn't you achieve the same results on :.rouletteplayers.org ? I suppose the answer will be something like "I was just messing around there", or "I hadnt perfected my HG yet".
2. Considering everywhere you play, your spins are logged anyway (at least for debugging), why not prove yourself on the community ranked game? Why deliberately avoid it? And no, you never made clear why you don't play there anymore. But I suspect it's because the spins were realistic, and the results didn't suit you. Also the only logs I keep are for debugging to prevent cheating. They do not easily enable reverse engineering a system without further mods, which is not something I am doing. Whereas roulette-simulator directly replicates your bets in a manner which can easily show what you're doing. But you play there anyway. So I see no valid reason why you would avoid rouletteplayer.org if ranking high was your aim, and you really had the HG.
3. The bankroll trend chart you posted is as it is likely because:
- You used an aggressive progression and combination of bets to extend betting limits.
- The spin source is low-quality pseudo RNG, which is notorious for clusters of repeaters (Which is exactly why real online casinos don't use them, and licensed casinos need their RNG certified)
- The results are still short term
I'd say it's a combination of all. Rouletteplayers.org is a more realistic game, using real spins database. Which is probably why you achieved very different results to Parx and roulette-simulator.
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4. On roulette-simulator, just like Parx, there are lots of super-successful players. Real casinos don't make so much money for players. Usually it's the players that lose money.
Let's compare players with comparable bankrolls:
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Excluding you and the other hidden player with the HG, we see lots of people did well. I excluded the players who won with blatant luck in very few sessions.
But on rouletteplayers.org, these are the players with highest bankrolls:
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And we can see their real win rates. Beneficia has done best because they have a positive win rate over a larger amount of spins. But 6000 actually isnt a lot. For one thing, test a random system on RX for 6,000 spins, and you'll find perhaps 1 in 15 times you'll have profited. Check the rouletteplayers.org leaderboard and you'll see quite a few players have a positive win rate with 5,000+ spins. Does it mean they all have the HG, or that it's plain short-term variance (some players win, some players lose. the more they play, the more likely they are to lose)
I'm not sure if you really believe you have the HG. Maybe you are selectively playing games that give you good results, without fully understanding why a game may not be realistic. But I think it's safe to say if you really had the HG, you would be using it to make large sums of real money, instead of wasting weeks with play money. I accept that money doesn't motivate everyone the same way. I'm not desperate for money either. But I had the HG, I;d sure as hell be making a killing from it instead of wasting weeks with play money like you are.
Neither game is a fair indicator.
MPR has many issues that make it difficult for players to do well. There are a few bets unavailable to players, and the table spreads are unrealistically compressed for many of the layout positions. There is no double up button to help players get their bets down in time. The game itself is very glitchy with high impact to players using progressions and or waiting for triggers.
For example someone is playing for 2 hours waiting for a certain trigger. The trigger appears and the person bets. The game freezes and the person must refresh the game to continue. The game refreshes and in doing so removes the placed bet. The position that the player was betting shows and the player misses out on the profit. He gets the shits and leaves. He comes back another day and tries to play again. His trigger appears quickly and he bets. He loses. He is now a loser, but he should be a winner because he got ripped off his first win. His game is tainted.
Another example: A player is deep in progression many thousands of units. He starts to place his next bet on a handful of layout positions. He places 4 of his 5 bets at the table limit. The game spits out the next result short of the 30 seconds just before the player gets to place his final bet. The 5th bet that was not placed wins. The player not only misses out on the win to correct the drawdown and return to profit, but he also loses the shorted bet increasing the drawdown. He gets the shits and leaves. He now must decide to come back and continue with the progression or purge the bet and absorb the loss with a reduced bankroll.
This is only two examples of how the glitchy nature of MPR hurts players. IMO, after players get hurt too many times, they no longer see the point of playing a fair game and just start messing around.
The Roulette Simulator is the opposite of MPR when it comes to table spreads. To sum it up, the spread for an EC is $1 to $20000...ridiculous.
The game can be played at your own pace, taking as long as you like between spins.
I can prove the game is easily compromised, which means the leaderboard is more than likely littered with cheats.
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 30, 06:52 PM 2018For example someone is playing for 2 hours waiting for a certain trigger. The trigger appears and the person bets. The game freezes and the person must refresh the game to continue. The game refreshes and in doing so removes the placed bet. The position that the player was betting shows and the player misses out on the profit. He gets the shits and leaves. He comes back another day and tries to play again. His trigger appears quickly and he bets. He loses. He is now a loser, but he should be a winner because he got ripped off his first win.
Another example: A player is deep in progression many thousands of units. He starts to place his next bet on a handful of layout positions. He places 4 of his 5 bets at the table limit. The game spits out the next result short of the 30 seconds just before the player gets to place his final bet. The 5th bet that was not placed wins. The player not only misses out on the win to correct the drawdown and return to profit, but he also loses the shorted bet increasing the drawdown. He gets the shits and leaves. He now must decide to come back and continue with the progression or purge the bet and absorb the loss with a reduced bankroll.
Absolutely right Taotie, is it the ready button? that everyone wants one to press, if i dont touch it its fine apart from the freezing of game , which like you say conveniently happens on a win, or worst still it goes off early and the 1 # that is about to be covered, does not get anything on it as the # comes early, making a loss
We can look at the glitches you described in time. For now we're working on fixing the double bet feature. The only glitch I've personally experienced is lag, but I found found it critical enough to affect my play. Server synchronization is essential to ensure all players receive the same spins to play. But there may be an issue we missed that causes more lag than there should be. Again we'll look at that in time.
We did a poll to see what betting time limits players wanted, and people got what they wanted.
You could miss an opportunity to bet, and would have won. OR you could miss an opportunity to bet, and would have lost. So the lag would not affect the fairness of the game.
Anyway it would help if anyone experiencing the lag can get a screen recording of this, and explain the internet connection they are using. The programmer is working on it all so there may be temporary disruption.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 06:07 PM 20181. My first question is why couldn't you achieve the same results on :.rouletteplayers.org ? I suppose the answer will be something like "I was just messing around there", or "I hadnt perfected my HG yet".
I could easily achieve the same results there.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 06:07 PM 20182. Considering everywhere you play, your spins are logged anyway (at least for debugging), why not prove yourself on the community ranked game? Why deliberately avoid it? And no, you never made clear why you don't play there anymore. But I suspect it's because the spins were realistic, and the results didn't suit you. Also the only logs I keep are for debugging to prevent cheating. They do not easily enable reverse engineering a system without further mods, which is not something I am doing. Whereas roulette-simulator directly replicates your bets in a manner which can easily show what you're doing. But you play there anyway.
That's nonsense - how many times were people posting "I keep seeing the same numbers repeating in a cycle" and then a reply about how the list was repeating and various other problems in how the numbers were being picked and displayed. If anything it wasn't realistic at all. I'm sure it's fixed now - but... I won't play when my bets can be monitored by someone else. I know this was necessary because of the "cheater(s)" who I never felt were properly exposed for what they were doing on the site. Something I took the time to expose and detail to you. So if I played I used basic systems with little effort to move up the rank. I did have fun in the chat window posting 3 or 4 numbers to the other players and those numbers would always win very shortly after, I did this multiple times. I'm not going to expose what I'm doing in that kind of detail though when it can be monitored. No offense - but what is that info worth ? We all know the answer to that. The simulator site does indeed record and playback every spin but only for player's who have their profile set to public. No one can see my bets other than the people running the site, I'm ok with that for now. I can always just reset my play and erase it all.
Parx records every play as well, I have access to it - that's how I can tell you how many spins I've played, etc. But anyway.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 06:07 PM 2018Excluding you and the other hidden player with the HG, we see lots of people did well. I excluded the players who won with blatant luck in very few sessions.
Your "lots of people that did well" is nothing - did you scroll ? Did you look at #518th position and up from there ? lol. Those players that did well that seem impressive are irrelevant in the overall picture of the players who have lost and lost Bigly.
And this doesn't even factor in the tons of people who use the reset to start fresh. At least these people didn't (or don't know how to). I never reset once, just as I said.
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Add these up and compare to yours you posted as the "lots of winners"
It's very hard to have that limited 3k starting balance for a session when you have a 100k+ bankroll, but all you can use it 3k, if you can explain how I won and made a chart like that using the limited table limits and limited bankroll balance per session, I'm all ears.
Just try not to use "fixed", "rigged" or "non-realistic". It's a fair game - look at the stats page as they have results from every "spin" that's happened there - 1.7 million so far. Is it luck ? Not enough spins (which will extend until I lose, which I already said that I can't). It won't matter.
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/roulette-analysis
And the few people who keep saying "why not play it in the casino for real money and stop wasting your time with games".
A) As I keep saying, I DO play in the casino - I don't dedicate that much time to the games online - 15 minutes per day maybe, 1/2 hour ?, it's just a tool to show the effects of using what works. As I've also said, my results live play for $ are exactly in line with the game stats - on a smaller scale. As I tell Sir Anyone at the other forum, I'll take milk forever instead of cheeseburgers once. I prefer to win small amounts over time and be completely off the radar. I don't even use any casino's cards and I'm certainly nowhere on file, by name or otherwise.
Other people want to "make a killing", fine with me. That's not how I play and not my motivation.
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 30, 06:52 PM 2018The game is easily compromised, which means the leaderboard is more than likely littered with cheats.
I've been going through that site looking for any flaws that people could use to cheat and found very few issues, none that the common player could use to "cheat". I'm curious what you found that I haven't.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 07:11 PM 2018...none that the common player could use to "cheat". I'm curious what you found that I haven't.
Are you saying an uncommon player could cheat?
As for what I found, I can't disclose that publicly as I haven't finished cheating yet! lol
Quote from: Taotie on Jan 30, 07:25 PM 2018Are you saying an uncommon player could cheat?
As for what I found, I can't disclose that publicly as I haven't finished cheating yet! lol
Best answer ever lol
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 07:11 PM 2018The simulator site does indeed record and playback every spin but only for player's who have their profile set to public. No one can see my bets other than the people running the site, I'm ok with that for now.
That's no different to MPR. Although MPR has even less capacity to track a player's system.
Also distribution of numbers is one of many tests done when determining the predictability of RNG. Even with Excel RNG (one of the worst modern RNG) you will still get equal distribution. It doesnt tell you how random spins are.
Cheating the roulette-simulator would be very easy if the winnings are calculated player-side, which it appears to be. A brief look at its source and it appears to use local rng from the player's pc, specifically the javascript Math.random() function. It would be easy to manipulate the data sent to the server, which is how MPR was cheated before (the programmer did not code as requested t make winning number determined by the server, although its now fixed). I'm not saying this is what you're doing Turbo, although it's possible. I think the other possibilities I highlighted are more the case. Maybe something Taotie found is even easier.
In any event, roulette-simulator is certainly not a good place to demonstrate a system's effectiveness. Neither is Parx. MPR is a much better option for reasons explained, even with occasional lag. But you wont play there anymore, for reasons that I dont believe, considering roulette-simulator directly records your strategy. So you wont play at MPR anymore. And I think it's clear the time you did play there showed more realistic results of your system.
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Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 07:11 PM 2018
I could easily achieve the same results there.
That's nonsense - how many times were people posting "I keep seeing the same numbers repeating in a cycle" and then a reply about how the list was repeating and various other problems in how the numbers were being picked and displayed. If anything it wasn't realistic at all. I'm sure it's fixed now - but... I won't play when my bets can be monitored by someone else. I know this was necessary because of the "cheater(s)" who I never felt were properly exposed for what they were doing on the site. Something I took the time to expose and detail to you. So if I played I used basic systems with little effort to move up the rank. I did have fun in the chat window posting 3 or 4 numbers to the other players and those numbers would always win very shortly after, I did this multiple times. I'm not going to expose what I'm doing in that kind of detail though when it can be monitored. No offense - but what is that info worth ? We all know the answer to that. The simulator site does indeed record and playback every spin but only for player's who have their profile set to public. No one can see my bets other than the people running the site, I'm ok with that for now. I can always just reset my play and erase it all.
Parx records every play as well, I have access to it - that's how I can tell you how many spins I've played, etc. But anyway.
Your "lots of people that did well" is nothing - did you scroll ? Did you look at #518th position and up from there ? lol. Those players that did well that seem impressive are irrelevant in the overall picture of the players who have lost and lost Bigly.
And this doesn't even factor in the tons of people who use the reset to start fresh. At least these people didn't (or don't know how to). I never reset once, just as I said.
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Add these up and compare to yours you posted as the "lots of winners"
It's very hard to have that limited 3k starting balance for a session when you have a 100k+ bankroll, but all you can use it 3k, if you can explain how I won and made a chart like that using the limited table limits and limited bankroll balance per session, I'm all ears.
Just try not to use "fixed", "rigged" or "non-realistic". It's a fair game - look at the stats page as they have results from every "spin" that's happened there - 1.7 million so far. Is it luck ? Not enough spins (which will extend until I lose, which I already said that I can't). It won't matter.
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/en/roulette-analysis
And the few people who keep saying "why not play it in the casino for real money and stop wasting your time with games".
A) As I keep saying, I DO play in the casino - I don't dedicate that much time to the games online - 15 minutes per day maybe, 1/2 hour ?, it's just a tool to show the effects of using what works. As I've also said, my results live play for $ are exactly in line with the game stats - on a smaller scale. As I tell Sir Anyone at the other forum, I'll take milk forever instead of cheeseburgers once. I prefer to win small amounts over time and be completely off the radar. I don't even use any casino's cards and I'm certainly nowhere on file, by name or otherwise.
Other people want to "make a killing", fine with me. That's not how I play and not my motivation.
I've been going through that site looking for any flaws that people could use to cheat and found very few issues, none that the common player could use to "cheat". I'm curious what you found that I haven't.
Hi TurboGenius, for whatever reason
NEVER EVER BE LURED TO PLAY ON THE MPR.
It's there for a reason and we all know what that reason is. :thumbsup:
That's right cht, its a fair game and he'll get the same results as before. Best he avoids it, and sticks to the other game which allows the server owner to conveniently replay the session. Its better for privacy :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 08:32 PM 2018
That's right cht, its a fair game and he'll get the same results as before. Best he avoids it, and sticks to the other game which allows the server owner to conveniently replay the session. Its better for privacy :thumbsup:
That's right, your MPR is the
gold standard so that we can get
YOUR approval. Try the dolts. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 07:47 PM 2018In any event, roulette-simulator is certainly not a good place to demonstrate a system's effectiveness. Neither is Parx. MPR is a much better option for reasons explained
Basically, anywhere that I play - where I win - is not a good demonstration at all.
Anywhere that I play - should I somehow lose - is a good demonstration.
If I win for 30,000 spins it's rigged.
If I lose for 400 spins, it's a fair game.
None of this makes sense. Your proof of something working or not is only validated if the results match your opinion.
I wasn't playing my "system" on this site's game page - I played a few ways, none of which were long term winners and as I said before, I wouldn't play where my bets would be available to others to see. At Parx they are recorded, and the Simulator they are as well - my profile is set to private though, I'm not concerned.
On a gambling forum ? If I were going to play there I might as well just post the specifics and be done with it.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 08:50 PM 2018
Basically, anywhere that I play - where I win - is not a good demonstration at all.
Anywhere that I play - should I somehow lose - is a good demonstration.
If I win for 30,000 spins it's rigged.
If I lose for 400 spins, it's a fair game.
None of this makes sense. Your proof of something working or not is only validated if the results match your opinion.
I wasn't playing my "system" on this site's game page - I played a few ways, none of which were long term winners and as I said before, I wouldn't play where my bets would be available to others to see. At Parx they are recorded, and the Simulator they are as well - my profile is set to private though, I'm not concerned.
On a gambling forum ? If I were going to play there I might as well just post the specifics and be done with it.
Pretty obvious that's the sole purpose of this thread and MPR.
Move on people.
Quote from: cht on Jan 30, 08:38 PM 2018That's right, your MPR is the gold standard so that we can get YOUR approval
The gold standard is the spins, not the game. It wouldnt matter what the interface looked like. Keep in mind MPR uses a real spins database. And like I said, when Turbo played against real spins:
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Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 08:50 PM 2018Basically, anywhere that I play - where I win - is not a good demonstration at all.
That's called a cop-out. Its easy for you to fall back on that, without considering the source of spins or game rules. I guess you still dont understand the math of Parx and how it gives players an edge.
Beyond spins, another consideration is things like the players getting payouts just for logging in (Parx), then huge cash bonuses that anyone can win once, then be almost untouchable on the leaderboard provided they played often.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 08:50 PM 2018If I win for 30,000 spins it's rigged.
Where have you won with 30,000 spins, using real betting limits, and genuinely random/realistic spin results?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 08:50 PM 2018If I lose for 400 spins, it's a fair game.
No, it's too short term to tell us anything with system play. Again you're falling back on easy but inaccurate comments.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 08:50 PM 2018None of this makes sense. Your proof of something working or not is only validated if the results match your opinion.
Nothing to do with opinion. It is a fact that real casinos don't give out free money every time you log in, or award huge play money bonuses for being lucky for the day - giving any such player who continues to play a huge advantage, provided they continue to play. The math is not my opinion.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 08:50 PM 2018I wasn't playing my "system" on this site's game page - I played a few ways, none of which were long term winners and as I said before, I wouldn't play where my bets would be available to others to see.
So you telling me you had one serious account and one test account means you never played with intent to become #1 on MPR?
And do you always intentionally use a losing system when trying to rank high?
And there is no way anyone but me on MPR could see the logs of bets. It is just lines of data that would be a nightmare to decode to figure out a system. That's not what it was designed to do. It was designed to check for cheating and bugs. Again your reasoning is as if Parx and roulette-simulator dont log everything, when you know they do. More so roulette-simulator. So your argument doesnt hold water.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 08:50 PM 2018On a gambling forum ? If I were going to play there I might as well just post the specifics and be done with it.
But MPR is a completely independent site. It's not a forum. Again your argument doesn't stack up. Looks more like excuses to avoid a fair game.
Looks like we're at stalemate again.
On the spins I know are real and fair, you lost.
You say that was because you werent using your best system there... although you told me personally you had multiple accounts - one for testing and one for serious play. You played for a long time, but eventually stopped when your ranking fell back to around average.
Your system did well on mathematically rigged game that gives players an edge (Parx). No surprise there.
Your system did well on roulette-simulator using player-side javascript pseudo RNG - something you'll never find a real casino doing because the RNG is notoriously bad, and it's far too easy to cheat. But hey, I'm the bad guy for pointing that out, right? I just want to sell computers.
Your theories are contradictory and backwards - and typical gambler's fallacy. You say one thing then say something completely different, indicating you don't even understand the contradiction.
You are not motivated by money, so you prefer to spend weeks winning with play money, instead of winning millions in real money.
Right. I don't buy it. It has nothing to do with my opinion. The information doesnt add up.
This is why real casinos dont use typical psuedo RNG. Here's the RNG from Microsoft Windows. It's a bitmap image from random.org showing how "not random" it actually is:
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You can plainly see the lines. A good psuedo RNG would be almost as good as true RNG. But random functions like those used in Excel, Java, PHP, Linux, Windows etc are very poor RNG.
Is it just my "opinion"?
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 09:46 PM 2018That's called a cop-out. Its easy for you to fall back on that, without considering the source of spins or game rules.
For the record - the anti-system people use this often, isn't there even a book somewhere with a ton of spins recorded from "live wheels", etc. etc.
Yet you'll correctly say that these spins, in that order, will never happen again.
Take 200 spins from your live wheel on your site - those 200 spins will never appear again in that order - so any method that does beat them isn't really validated because those are "past spins" and "won't appear that way again",, etc. That's actually true - so why does something that beats those "never happening again past spins" validated ?
Also, it's a terrible approach to work a system to win when the spins are from live wheels but combined together in 'who knows what' fashion.
Let's say you have wheel 1 and there is a run of 30 reds in a row which is rare of course - but now you take another wheel 2 that had a run of 25 reds in a row and you splice them together for your "simulator" - as if 55 reds in a row could ever possibly happen.
When you combine "random" with another source of "random", sadly you won't get random anymore, you've influenced the listing and it's not random.
This is just one example of why combining tables and live spins and splicing them together will never give accurate results for testing - but it's done anyway and people fail.
RNG however can produce random constantly - there's no "the dealer changed here" or "This is from tables 1 through 10 combined however I felt like combining them.
Even a crap RNG that is seeded randomly will give very good results for testing a method.
You won't get the same listing twice, etc etc.
But anyway - I still have the big reply to type up when I'm not suffering as much (lol).
Maybe it will shed some light on things for you.
I know it seems like "going nowhere" or "going in circles" but I think the readers benefit from the information both sides put out so they can make their own choices to
"give up, it's hopeless" or "keep trying because there are ways that work"
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 09:46 PM 2018Where have you won with 30,000 spins, using real betting limits, and genuinely random/realistic spin results?
That's a very good question but it's a trap.
You would need to define your own opinion of what the betting limits should be, what the source of the "random"?/"realistic"? should be - because every place I play I dominate and win. None of those places are going to qualify though I know for your definitions.
One place will be unrealistic, another place might be 'fixed', etc etc.
Hell, my own live casino play results could even be argued as validation because "not enough spins" or "could have been a bias wheel".
It's nice to play the game when you won't let your opponent have a single way to prove something because you can always put up another wall and say it's a stalemate.
(I could post the math - and then it's over.. and you would instantly agree with me). But this could be more interesting without having to go that specific in the open.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 10:57 PM 2018the anti-system people use this often
I'm not anti-system. I'm anti-anti-logic. You cant ever make 35 greater than 37.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 10:57 PM 2018Yet you'll correctly say that these spins, in that order, will never happen again.
Given enough spins, it would. It just a matter of time. What happens on large scales also happens on small scales. You can test the theories more easily with a wheel that had just 5 numbers.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 10:57 PM 2018Take 200 spins from your live wheel on your site - those 200 spins will never appear again in that order - so any method that does beat them isn't really validated because those are "past spins" and "won't appear that way again",, etc. That's actually true - so why does something that beats those "never happening again past spins" validated ?
You cant bet against a pattern you think wont ever happen because you still aren't making 35 greater than 37.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 10:57 PM 2018Also, it's a terrible approach to work a system to win when the spins are from live wheels but combined together in 'who knows what' fashion.
You said your system works thanks to spins being random. So you are saying you cant change the odds and thats why your system wins. It's backwards. Now you're saying if there were spins that may not be random, it would be worse.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 10:57 PM 2018as if 55 reds in a row could ever possibly happen
Given enough spins, of course it would happen. You also keep saying random has limits. Actually no, it does not have limits. Even bago had to show you simulations where your limits were exceeded, and he's not too bright. Simple the greater the amount of spins, the greater the amount of possibilities. It just keeps going and going forever. But you recite obscure theoretical math that has no sense in the real world, like saying 1 / 0 = a really big number.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 10:57 PM 2018When you combine "random" with another source of "random", sadly you won't get random anymore, you've influenced the listing and it's not random.
Do you know what random means? It means random. It means ZERO known predictability. If you have zero in the equation, the result will be zero. 0 x 0 = 0 x 3 = 0, and so on. You are saying 0 x 0 = something. It's wrong. You say its not random. If it were not random anymore, it would be predictable, and then you could change the odds. But you have it backwards saying random is good. But random and random is bad. Seriously.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 10:57 PM 2018This is just one example of why combining tables and live spins and splicing them together will never give accurate results for testing - but it's done anyway and people fail.
Ok so now you are blaming MPR's mixed bag of spins on your realistic results, which are a loss? Because random and random means predictable, which is why you cant beat those spins. Again, seriously.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 10:57 PM 2018RNG however can produce random constantly - there's no "the dealer changed here" or "This is from tables 1 through 10 combined however I felt like combining them.
Ok so again you're saying random is good. Random means changing the odds are impossible, which is 35 always being less than 37, which means you lose.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 10:57 PM 2018Even a crap RNG that is seeded randomly will give very good results for testing a method.
Sure, that's because crap RNG is quite predictable. Not random. That's why we call it "crap RNG".
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 11:06 PM 2018That's a very good question but it's a trap.
How's it a trap? It's a simple question asking where you have done what you claim to do, using a realistically fair game? You said it, not me. So I asked. Its not a trap.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 11:06 PM 2018because every place I play I dominate and win
Unless of course we mix random with random, because then it would be predictable and not random, and unbeatable - which explains your loss on MPR, right?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 30, 11:06 PM 2018(I could post the math - and then it's over.. and you would instantly agree with me)
I doubt it. I dont think I could ever agree with logic like random is random, unless you mix random with random to make it not random, in which case it's unpredictable and cant be beaten.
Again this is not my opinion. This is what you are saying. What I believe is based on what is in front of me. And what's in front of me is a bunch of contradictory, and backwards nonsense, mixed in with short term testing on rigged games.
Turbo, if I truly believed you have what you claim, I would say that. But there are holes all over it and any reasonable mind would come to the same conclusions.
Again its not that I dont have an open mind, because I do very much so. If you simply said you used intuition to guess numbers, I would find it more credible because then you at least have a chance of increasing your odds to be better than 1 in 35. What you are saying you're doing is wrong on many levels. Really what you are saying is not much different from saying 1 + 1 = 82, and you use the math to make it = 82.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 05:19 PM 2018
Of course you can. It more depends on factors such as the amount of spins you play. If you run simulations with testing software, even with a losing system, you can see some tests show a profit after even 20,000+ spins. I played for a year with a losing system, and was profiting - until the very end. There are also many players who have been playing for many years, and have profited so far.
A good example of what happens in real casinos is at link:://:.rouletteplayers.org/leaderboard/
It shows data like bankroll, and amount of spins played, but most importantly win rate. This is the ratio between wins and losses. About 0.973 is expected because of the house edge. If you tally up all the winnings and all the losses of the players, you get 975659848/1002385765 = 0.973 as expected.
This means on average, the players combined have lost, and the casino has profited.
But still we have people with really bad luck (very low win rate). These people are convinced their system doesn't work. And we have players with very good luck (very high win rate). These people think their system is the HG. Are they right? No. All that's happening is typical variance. Some players win, some players lose.
When the spins and game are realistic, the results are usually as expected:
The columns are BANKROLL PLAYED SPINS AMOUNT BET AMOUNT LOST WIN RATE
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And
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I recall now you told me you had one account for messing around, and one you were trying to do well on. So what happened??
Observe the wheel design, the ball used, the dominant diamonds, and all the other typical signs that the wheel is likely to give more predictable spins than others. Professional play all starts with wheel selection. Denzie, I'm not going to give a full course right here. Like I already explained, there are free methods I already offer on my website.
No, it is simply how things work. Again it's not uncommon for players to win over $50k in one session. It more depends on the table limits. The most any of my players have won at an online casino (in one session) is something like 70k euros, and they were paid. But I have other online players that won just $500 or so and had accounts restricted, presumably because the player's activity before betting, and style of play, raised red flags.
Online casinos operate a bit differently because they can usually get away with more than a real casino would (depending on jurisdiction). Most online casinos can refuse payout for any reason they want - even if they just make up a reason. They know you wont take them to court and that even if you did, there's not much chance you'll win.
It isnt so easy for real casinos to make up excuses to refuse payout. There is video evidence that can support you. Generally in real casinos, if you win big, there will be a delay for payout as the surveillance staff check for anything suspicious in recordings. An organized team can easily avoid the attention if they know what to do. But I'm not going to discuss how we avoid detection here except to say one simply technique is splitting chips between players/people to avoid reporting thresholds.
Now for the important part: if there was a system that did not appear to be anything like advantage play, and the player won big, the casino would have no reason to suspect the big winnings were due to anything but luck. Compare roulette computers where you can only win with late bets, so you must disguise your bets with intentionally losing bets - which limits winnings. So your winnings are more limited. Now compare to something like a typical system with progression - and with such a system, it doesn't look suspicious at all. So the player can win much more without drawing any attention.
Putting it into context, an organized roulette computer team can win $5,000 - $10,000 in a typical small stakes casino usually without suspicion (much more is possible in higher stakes environments, without drawing too much attention). But if a player won twice this amount with typical system betting approaches, the casino would not get suspicious even if they won much more. And it would be much easier to win into the millions with the HG because you could play anywhere, online or real casinos, new or old wheels, bouncy balls or predictable balls -- there would be no significant limitations. So my point is if Turbo really had the HG, he could very easily be earning tens of millions in a short time. It would be very easy to avoid detection provided he kept each session below the reporting threshold, which is not hard to do. But instead what we get is turbo wasting weeks with fun money, instead of real money. If he could do it with real money on the same scale as fun money, he would be doing it. It's the same for everyone else who has the "HG".
The math is simple: payouts are lower than the odds. You cant use that to win. You cant change the payouts. You need to change the odds.
No casino "allows" electronics, because they easily beat casinos. That's my preferred method. I like to make it easy. And although it's "not allowed", it is still legal in about half of casinos. That's my choice, it doesn't affect anyone except the poor billionaire casino owners. I already explained there are ways to win without computers. I'll respond to turbo in next post.
So you are saying Steve, if I have a system that needs 7 to 1 to break even. And over several years it delivers around 11 to 1. Never even dips under 7 to 1 once over a 100 game sample. That is just pure luck. Okay then.
Back to panicking online casinos Steve. My argument remains. If these people are so smug in the knowledge that no mechanical system. Can beat them over the longrun. I.E they know house edge, table limits and mr variance. Will always show them a profit.
Why do they panic when someone wins a mere 500 units. Can you explain that?
Surely they would be saying to themselves enjoy your luck. In the end we are getting it all back then some?
ESPECIALLY if someone is running a system using a marty like me right? Nothing suspicious there. Nothing to worry about there. Its supposed to lose in the long run isnt it???
But panic they do. And panic they will. I have 10 online accounts Steve. Im going to see which one messes up their panties first and stops me. And at what point. Will it be 500 euro 5000 50000. Lets see.
But be sure of this Steve. At some point over the next 5 years. They will ALL want me out of there. Then I will have to carry on the old fashioned way. Put on my best suit twice a week. And go and make my money in walk in casinos.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 11:40 PM 2018So you are saying Steve, if I have a system that needs 7 to 1 to break even. And over several years it delivers around 11 to 1. Never even dips under 7 to 1 once over a 100 game sample. That is just pure luck. Okay then.
I dont know enough about your system to comment. Except to say its really not hard to win over 5,000 or even 20,000 spins from LUCK. It happens, just as we expect statistically. Keep in mind I won for a whole year with constantly play - around 5,000 spins. And I would let NOBODY tell me it was just from luck. Because I was arrogant and pigheaded about it, as we tend to be when young.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 11:40 PM 2018Back to panicking online casinos Steve. My argument remains. If these people are so smug in the knowledge that no mechanical system. Can beat them over the longrun. I.E they know house edge, table limits and mr variance. Will always show them a profit.
Well basically that's right. But there are more parts to it. For example, they know lucky aggressive progression can make them lose big. And some nline casinos even forbid progression betting in their terms of service. This isnt because you beat them long term. It's because they dont want anyone to have the chance of a huge run of luck.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 11:40 PM 2018Why do they panic when someone wins a mere 500 units. Can you explain that?
As I explained already. Its not a panic in those cases. Its more an observation of the account activity and style of play consistent with professional play. So the casino stops the player before they do any serious damage.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 11:40 PM 2018Surely they would be saying to themselves enjoy your luck. In the end we are getting it all back then some?
On the surface, they say "great going, well done". Then they give you a free room to stay longer, so you play more, and lose the money back to the casino.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 11:40 PM 2018ESPECIALLY if someone is running a system using a marty like me right? Nothing suspicious there. Nothing to worry about there. Its supposed to lose in the long run isnt it???
Yes that's correct. Although you are probabaly trying to be sarcastic, you're actually correct. Do you really think they are scared of the martingale? I've only seen an online casino worried about aggressive progression, but never a real casino. Still though, if there are super large bets, the floor manager is going to want to watch closely. Casinos can lose too. But the long term edge is in their favor.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 30, 11:40 PM 2018But be sure of this Steve. At some point over the next 5 years. They will ALL want me out of there. Then I will have to carry on the old fashioned way. Put on my best suit twice a week. And go and make my money in walk in casinos.
Ok, I hope you do that.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 11:55 PM 2018
I dont know enough about your system to comment. Except to say its really not hard to win over 5,000 or even 20,000 spins from LUCK. It happens, just as we expect statistically. Keep in mind I won for a whole year with constantly play - around 5,000 spins. And I would let NOBODY tell me it was just from luck. Because I was arrogant and pigheaded about it, as we tend to be when young.
Well basically that's right. But there are more parts to it. For example, they know lucky aggressive progression can make them lose big. And some nline casinos even forbid progression betting in their terms of service. This isnt because you beat them long term. It's because they dont want anyone to have the chance of a huge run of luck.
As I explained already. Its not a panic in those cases. Its more an observation of the account activity and style of play consistent with professional play. So the casino stops the player before they do any serious damage.
On the surface, they say "great going, well done". Then they give you a free room to stay longer, so you play more, and lose the money back to the casino.
Yes that's correct. Although you are probabaly trying to be sarcastic, you're actually correct. Do you really think they are scared of the martingale? I've only seen an online casino worried about aggressive progression, but never a real casino. Still though, if there are super large bets, the floor manager is going to want to watch closely. Casinos can lose too. But the long term edge is in their favor.
Ok, I hope you do that.
So if i am taking just a 100 euro a week off one online casino each. I shouldnt be setting any alarm bells off then Steve.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 11:23 PM 2018I doubt it. I dont think I could ever agree with logic like random is random, unless you mix random with random to make it not random, in which case it's unpredictable and cant be beaten.
That was pretty funny - but it wasn't what I said.
If I pick a listing where a very rare event happened - say 30 reds in a row
and another listing where a very rare even happened - say 20 reds in a row
and stick them together, it's no longer random. I made the list and it will now show
50 reds in a row because of me - not because it EVER could happen.
So someone's testing fails against a pieced together group of spins from table 1,2,3
when in reality they would never face that NON random condition.
You're only argument is that that "Well, 50 in a row could happen !".
C'mon. Anything can happen. 10,000 reds in a row could happen - so you''re willing
to say that unless a method can beat a run of 10,000 reds in a row it's a loser - because
10,000 reds in a row "could" happen. ? That's nonsense.
Just because you take random list A and combine it however you want with random list B - that does not make it random now, I'm sorry. Once a person interferes with the results it's not random.
Hell, by definition roulette itself in a casino isn't random (it's "random enough")
You can't have a mechanical wheel and a ball, and a human all interact and change variables - it's no longer random. But that's ok - Math remains.
My method beats the math - on RNG or at a table.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 11:23 PM 2018Ok so again you're saying random is good. Random means changing the odds are impossible, which is 35 always being less than 37, which means you lose.
Yes, 35 is always less than 37 and it doesn't mean I lose.
It means that the equation you use to figure the house edge is right - the equation I use to win is also right. If you can accept and figure out how we are BOTH right - you've got it.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 12:17 AM 2018
That was pretty funny - but it wasn't what I said.
If I pick a listing where a very rare event happened - say 30 reds in a row
and another listing where a very rare even happened - say 20 reds in a row
and stick them together, it's no longer random. I made the list and it will now show
50 reds in a row because of me - not because it EVER could happen.
So someone's testing fails against a pieced together group of spins from table 1,2,3
when in reality they would never face that NON random condition.
You're only argument is that that "Well, 50 in a row could happen !".
C'mon. Anything can happen. 10,000 reds in a row could happen - so you''re willing
to say that unless a method can beat a run of 10,000 reds in a row it's a loser - because
10,000 reds in a row "could" happen. ? That's nonsense.
Just because you take random list A and combine it however you want with random list B - that does not make it random now, I'm sorry. Once a person interferes with the results it's not random.
Hell, by definition roulette itself in a casino isn't random (it's "random enough")
You can't have a mechanical wheel and a ball, and a human all interact and change variables - it's no longer random. But that's ok - Math remains.
My method beats the math - on RNG or at a table.
Yes, 35 is always less than 37 and it doesn't mean I lose.
It means that the equation you use to figure the house edge is right - the equation I use to win is also right. If you can accept and figure out how we are BOTH right - you've got it.
Turbo I believe what you are saying. The only thing i agree with Steve on. Is if your system is that good why dont you make say a quarter mill. And silence the detractors. I like Steve cannot understand why you are wasting your time with a virtual HG for play money?
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 31, 12:15 AM 2018So if i am taking just a 100 euro a week off one online casino each. I shouldnt be setting any alarm bells off then Steve.
Correct, you are unlikely to raise red flags. But at some point, they are going to look at your account history and start to wonder, then watch you more closely. And the manager may eventually decide to do something about you. The bottom line is no casino will tolerate a consistent winner. One way or another, they'll deal with you. The trick is to avoid suspicion in the first place. Its easy enough in real casinos. But with online casinos you need a different approach - usually with multiple accounts. Some of my players have paid others to create ID verified accounts to play in. But its still messy and real caisnos are overall better.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 12:17 AM 2018If I pick a listing where a very rare event happened - say 30 reds in a row and another listing where a very rare even happened - say 20 reds in a row and stick them together, it's no longer random.
It is if both sequences were random. Keep in mind the outcome of red or black is determined by countless seemingly random variables such as air pressure, air flow depending on rotor speed, rotor release speed, ball track grit, sweat from the dealer's fingers, random release point, and so on. There are so many variables involved. And ultimately if one set of spins is random, and the other set is also random, they are indistinguishable. They are "as good as random". Implying otherwise is saying you can tell the difference, which I doubt you could.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 12:17 AM 2018You're only argument is that that "Well, 50 in a row could happen !".C'mon. Anything can happen. 10,000 reds in a row could happen - so you''re willing to say that unless a method can beat a run of 10,000 reds in a row it's a loser - because 10,000 reds in a row "could" happen. ? That's nonsense.
You are missing that any sequence of red/black is just as likely as any other sequence. Not only that, one sequence will happen just as often as any other sequence. If you don't believe me, just TEST extensively. There is no doubt about it. It's not a grey area. It's well tested and documented.
The classic fallacy you're talking about is like a gambler who sees a run of reds all in a row. I mean c'mon, there's no way that run is going to continue. So let's bet BLACK. And guess what, red spins again. But there's no way it would happen again, right? Oops, it did. It's classic fallacy.
You need to check any sequence of reds/blacks imaginable. Check it in billions of RNG spins. Then check how many times red or black spins NEXT. You'll find that despite what you think should happen, red and black will spin next an equal amount of times. The more tests you do, the closer they'll be matched.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 12:17 AM 2018Just because you take random list A and combine it however you want with random list B - that does not make it random now, I'm sorry.
If you take one string of shit, and join it with another string of shit, you end up with a longer string of shit. Look at it any way you want, but its still just shit, aka random.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 12:17 AM 2018Once a person interferes with the results it's not random.
There are countless variables interfering with the outcome, 100% of the time. That's what makes it... "random".
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 12:17 AM 2018You can't have a mechanical wheel and a ball, and a human all interact and change variables - it's no longer random
Now we're getting to other areas. Nothing is ever truly random. Its all just cause and effect. With real wheels, spins are often predictable enough to beat the house edge because the variables arent random enough. Thats what makes roulette beatable even with predictions before ball release.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 12:17 AM 2018My method beats the math - on RNG or at a table.
That's another contradiction. If it's random, then the math means the accuracy can never be greater than 1 in 35, so you will gradually lose your bankroll.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 12:17 AM 2018Yes, 35 is always less than 37 and it doesn't mean I lose.
It does because no matter what you bet, and the bet size, you are still going to be paid unfairly. It's like earning $1000 from a job, then the tax man taks 30%, and you expecting to have $1000 left over. It just doesnt happen in the real world.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 12:17 AM 2018It means that the equation you use to figure the house edge is right - the equation I use to win is also right. If you can accept and figure out how we are BOTH right - you've got it.
Looks more like you've made a mistake in your calculations, which mirrors your contradictions. Really I'd like to be wrong, but I cant just turn away from blatantly obvious facts. I do not accept many thins you've said: for example like saying random is not random anymore if someone interferes. Random is random. There's more but now we're getting back into circles.
Quote from: sentinel3 on Jan 31, 01:02 AM 2018The only thing i agree with Steve on. Is if your system is that good why dont you make say a quarter mill
The "only" thing? Then you are missing quite a bit, and believing a load of backwards claims.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 31, 01:11 AM 2018
Correct, you are unlikely to raise red flags. But at some point, they are going to look at your account history and start to wonder, then watch you more closely. And the manager may eventually decide to do something about you. The bottom line is no casino will tolerate a consistent winner. One way or another, they'll deal with you. The trick is to avoid suspicion in the first place. Its easy enough in real casinos. But with online casinos you need a different approach - usually with multiple accounts. Some of my players have paid others to create ID verified accounts to play in. But its still messy and real caisnos are overall better.
It is if both sequences were random. Keep in mind the outcome of red or black is determined by countless seemingly random variables such as air pressure, air flow depending on rotor speed, rotor release speed, ball track grit, sweat from the dealer's fingers, random release point, and so on. There are so many variables involved. And ultimately if one set of spins is random, and the other set is also random, they are indistinguishable. They are "as good as random". Implying otherwise is saying you can tell the difference, which I doubt you could.
You are missing that any sequence of red/black is just as likely as any other sequence. Not only that, one sequence will happen just as often as any other sequence. If you don't believe me, just TEST extensively. There is no doubt about it. It's not a grey area. It's well tested and documented.
The classic fallacy you're talking about is like a gambler who sees a run of reds all in a row. I mean c'mon, there's no way that run is going to continue. So let's bet BLACK. And guess what, red spins again. But there's no way it would happen again, right? Oops, it did. It's classic fallacy.
You need to check any sequence of reds/blacks imaginable. Check it in billions of RNG spins. Then check how many times red or black spins NEXT. You'll find that despite what you think should happen, red and black will spin next an equal amount of times. The more tests you do, the closer they'll be matched.
If you take one string of shit, and join it with another string of shit, you end up with a longer string of shit. Look at it any way you want, but its still just shit, aka random.
There are countless variables interfering with the outcome, 100% of the time. That's what makes it... "random".
Now we're getting to other areas. Nothing is ever truly random. Its all just cause and effect. With real wheels, spins are often predictable enough to beat the house edge because the variables arent random enough. Thats what makes roulette beatable even with predictions before ball release.
That's another contradiction. If it's random, then the math means the accuracy can never be greater than 1 in 35, so you will gradually lose your bankroll.
It does because no matter what you bet, and the bet size, you are still going to be paid unfairly. It's like earning $1000 from a job, then the tax man taks 30%, and you expecting to have $1000 left over. It just doesnt happen in the real world.
Looks more like you've made a mistake in your calculations, which mirrors your contradictions. Really I'd like to be wrong, but I cant just turn away from blatantly obvious facts. I do not accept many thins you've said: for example like saying random is not random anymore if someone interferes. Random is random. There's more but now we're getting back into circles.
Okay thanks for that advice Steve. If I could even get 5k off each account over an 18 month period. Before they say this guy is taking too much off of us. I will be happy. Once ive exhausted that avenue. I will have to mingle with the masses in real casinos.
I will let you know Steve with proof as each account show me the door. So at least you will know in the time they tolerated me. I was certainly winning.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 31, 01:19 AM 2018
The "only" thing? Then you are missing quite a bit, and believing a load of backwards claims.
Steve I have to keep an open mind. If im a consistent winner. I have to accept there are other consistent winners out there.
Regarding your system that worked for a year then went belly up. What was it. And why did it suddenly stop working?. This I am curious about. As a solid system should work for as long as its played.
You are a big shot Steve. :love: turbogenius and gang is spending hours and hours together to prove to you that their system is worthy and a long time winner. A lot of effort to convince one man.
Seriously lot of time can be saved if you tell them how do you want them to prove something works. If your answer is playing MPR for millions of spins, then someone need to sit in front of that MPR game 3 years 24x7 to do it which is not going to happen.
So what’s the solution?
And what is this with roulette simulator and ranking? Why is it so important, after all it’s a simulator to practice your skills. I am also going to give it a serious go to get to top 10 in 10 days like I gave a go at Pattern breaker before talking anything about it.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 31, 01:11 AM 2018If you take one string of shit, and join it with another string of shit, you end up with a longer string of shit. Look at it any way you want, but its still just shit, aka random.
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So you're ok with saying (and being wrong) that someone could take that run of 20 that happened once, and the string of 19 that happened once - combine them into one list and make it 39 reds in a row ? So this entire chart would look insane - there would be that nice steady and predictable chart (based on math) and then at the top spot a LONG 39 in a row session that happened once.
It doesn't happen, it's nonsense to say that it could.
Do you see the numbers on the left ? See the connection they have with one another ? It's because random follows rules (actual random). It has limits. Every chart of data shows this. But your content to call anything a failure so long as you can run off 40 billion spins and then say "HA ! 39 in a row ! I told you it can happen !". It's nonsense and you know it.
My play is based on repeaters, repeaters happen. It's part of random.
That means random is predictable for reasons you still refuse to understand
because the very term repeater isn't relevant to someone who bases everything on one spin.
"It's probably probability"
Random has limits - look at the pretty charts.
Random is predictable - look at the numbers in any chart and how they relate to one another
Math beats a math game - look at my results.
A number can't show twice if it hasn't shown once, a number can't show three times unless it's shown twice. - common sense.
I can't lose a single unit betting on a number that doesn't appear.
There's no contradictions here at all, just lack of understanding.
I just got back from the casino to read this.
Smarten up people.
Don't waste your time with the con-artist. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Jan 31, 08:58 AM 2018Don't waste your time with the con-artist.
Which one CHT Steve or TG
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 31, 09:03 AM 2018
Which one CHT Steve or TG
Read between the lines.
One guy says he wins with playing
repeaters.
The other guy is the roulette industry policeman who's here to save the world from
system betting. They both harbour ulterior motives. Think why would they do this hard work if they don't benefit from it.
The bogeyman is the
salesman who's marketing his product however obtuse to desperadoes out there to relieve them off their money. People don't do free work, won't spend money for no payback. Don't be stupid to believe fairy tales stories
imho.
Imho(In my humble opinion) is absolute necessary for this post, if you understand why. :xd:
Hey ppl,
It's 5hrs to the big game at Wembley. MU Alexis Sanchez vs Totts Harry Kane - a firecracker match. Don't miss it. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Jan 31, 09:24 AM 2018
Hey ppl,
It's 5hrs to the big game at Wembley. MU Alexis Sanchez vs Totts Harry Kane - a firecracker match. Don't miss it. :thumbsup:
Spurs are taking this hands down. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jan 31, 09:48 AM 2018
Spurs are taking this hands down. :thumbsup:
There is only one game in my universe. Its called Roulette. And I am winning at it.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 30, 11:23 PM 2018
Quote from: TurboGenius on Today at 04:06 AM
That's a very good question but it's a
MPR does not represent true roulette nor how its played in REALITY. This is what you must understand. Like Brett Morton said in the greatest book ever written on Roulette PLAYING TO WIN.
Longterm variance means nothing to a player who only plays in the short term. Sometimes Brett Mortons sessions in a casino would last for less than 15 minutes. 4 or 5 spins. And he would walk out with profit to add to his overall bank.
Sometimes I only play half a dozen spins in a day Steve. And I win. Variance cannot
Affect someone exposing themselves for a short span of time to it.
And that is one of the secrets of longterm success with the game. Get into a war with variance and you will lose. Being a winner longterm is not just about having a system that wins. Its knowing when to leave it alone.
And every loser usually has one thing in common. THEY PLAYED FOR TOO LONG.
just wanted to sneak in question @turbo...does your betting way wins flat...thanks
oh and @Steve....you are wrong about random you cannot join spins just like that..but you will learn do not worry :xd:
Quote from: maestro on Jan 31, 02:42 PM 2018oh and @Steve....you are wrong about random you cannot join spins just like that..but you will learn do not worry
Thankyou, oh wise master. I shall retain your wisdom that random + random does not make sweet FA difference if your bet selection has the same accuracy as random.
QuoteThankyou,
you are welcome
Quote from: cht on Jan 31, 09:24 AM 2018
Hey ppl,
It's 5hrs to the big game at Wembley. MU Alexis Sanchez vs Totts Harry Kane - a firecracker match. Don't miss it. :thumbsup:
You need to curtail your dreams a bit.
For a club like Man U, you should do better -- much better -- than that Chris Smalling - Phil Jones central defense pairing that you put out against top level opponents.
That's the biggest hole in your starting line-up. And that hole will prevent you from attaining those lofty dreams that you and your fellow fans have.
I can see turbo holyliarG is doing well. Is bago is back??
He looks good.
QuoteThey both harbour ulterior motives. Think why would they do this hard work if they don't benefit from it.
Lets clarify something. I do well for myself without sales of anything. Really, id rather die than not have integrity and honesty. I mean what is anyone worth if they're a dishonest piece of crap? I don't particularly rely on sales of anything. My focus is truth. Its simple. I don't like bullshit.
And when uneducated people can't distinguish between interest in truth, and selfish personal gain, they use words like "ulterior motives".
You need to understand when someone doesn't need to rely on anything to survive or be comfortable, they have no reason to be dishonest.
But beyond all that, the person whose logic is provable is the one who is not full of shit. Is it really so complicated?
All that's left is you either understand what is being said, or you don't and think the truth is a conspiracy.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 01, 06:12 AM 2018He looks good.
LOL.
Looks like classic Tony at work. Then mental hospital must still allow internet access once per week.
Tony is still alive? Where? You mean someone hasnt offed that delightful intelligent and educated young man yet?
Quote from: Steve on Feb 01, 06:44 AM 2018Tony is still alive? Where? You mean someone hasnt offed that delightful intelligent and educated young man yet?
lol. I wouldn't suggest anyone do that ! Maybe just make him a necklace of sausages and let him run around for a while in a lion's cage lol.
(Saw that on SpongeBob once, it has to work !)
That chart looks nothing like mine, mine grows and climbs - his is flat, until such point he might hit a lucky session again - who knows.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 01, 06:44 AM 2018
Tony is still alive? Where? You mean someone hasnt offed that delightful intelligent and educated young man yet?
LMAO! Turbo, you should be honoured that someone has a lifetime vendetta against your work! That's pretty cool in a 'strange' kind of way.
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jan 31, 09:20 PM 2018
You need to curtail your dreams a bit.
For a club like Man U, you should do better -- much better -- than that Chris Smalling - Phil Jones central defense pairing that you put out against top level opponents.
That's the biggest hole in your starting line-up. And that hole will prevent you from attaining those lofty dreams that you and your fellow fans have.
I agree with that Smalling - Jones thing. Somehow Mourinho and MU fans thinks the world about Jones but I don't think he's up to par - that has always been my take and he has caused MU a lot. FA/CL is still within reach but that CB position is definitely the weakest link that need new signings this Summer no matter. MU is for next season with the 1st stage redevelopment already in place. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Feb 01, 06:21 AM 2018
Lets clarify something. I do well for myself without sales of anything. Really, id rather die than not have integrity and honesty. I mean what is anyone worth if they're a dishonest piece of crap? I don't particularly rely on sales of anything. My focus is truth. Its simple. I don't like bullshit.
And when uneducated people can't distinguish between interest in truth, and selfish personal gain, they use words like "ulterior motives".
I don't buy crap, period.
That bolded is crap posting.
And you are crap, period. :twisted:
Don't bother reply cause I don't waste time on crap and scums.
Man U need someone like Kane who can bang in 30 goals a season for them and then they may have a chance to win something. How much would Kane be worth on the open market? £100 million+
Quote from: cht on Feb 01, 10:17 AM 2018I don't buy crap, period.
That bolded is crap posting.
And you are crap, period.
Don't bother reply cause I don't waste time on crap and scums.
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Past spins influence future spins?
Random random makes it not random?
You can win long-term even when you are paid unfair amounts that guarantee loss?
My explanations of primary school math are somehow wrong, and prove "ulterior motives"?
The casinos and their statisticians have it wrong too? (I pay them commission)
It's not like you've never even seen a roulette computer, right?
It couldn't possibly be that you literally are uneducated, and I'm being honest, right?
cht, you have fantastic logic. I'm sorry, you're right. You're "educated" and know my business, and my motives, better than me.
Ok back on topic ... TG we are waiting for your replies.
Oh and i agree with.... dont play here :thumbsup:
Is there away to bet on even money bet using inside numbers that hasn't lost 16 in a row for 100,000 spins?
Good morning friends, i've been watching and reading this topic from the beginning and i promised myself not to respond, but now after 67 pages (pfff) i feel i need to because everything is played wrong. I don't know if i get into trouble posting this but i'm here to help. Not giving away the full System and possible i play not the way turbo does, but i think i come close, either way i never lose my sessions. A wise men once said, that as Long there are repeaters, you can't lose! You need to step out of the box regarding thoughts. Remeber that every number Will be back at some Point. There is No reasons that you must know when! Your First study for today.
Help number 1:
It doesn't matter if you play Right from the start by betting each number that is spun! Or wait for a repeater and then start. This doesn't Make any difference. It is Just how you prefer to play, not that it matters. Some Long sessions i begin with More then 20 unique and still trun my session into. Winning one, only difference is that my sessions Will be longer then normal, but it doesn't matter and Hurt the outcome, because i Will Always be in profit at the End.
Help number 2 Will follow shortly.
Stay Safe.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 02, 08:44 AM 2018Ok back on topic
DEN
Did TG say bet every spin?
He takes a bankroll the size he expects to win?
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 07, 06:39 AM 2018
DEN
Did TG say bet every spin?
He takes a bankroll the size he expects to win?
Thats what he says. Although his graphs show otherwise. (I start at 2s)
About the br...bring 1k to win 1k OR more...if the hotties keep hitting you should keep going (thats how i see it )
Play only those with small gaps ;)
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den what said to you
just made 380 units in 27 spins
Den +126 betting every spin thats last 15
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Turbo your idea on this game and playing method makes sense good on you . :)
Den 1st 7 games played nice to what I said.
Game 8, working on 15/15 over spins 11-40, at spin 9 showing level and spin 10 +56, is it good enough to reset? At spin 20 last 10 is 9; +4 bank reads -470
So it’s time to remember WTF lessons, so it’s carry on and work to bank roll for size of bets. At spin 30 BR is -4; those 30 spins have given 22 non-hits, with 8/10 in spins 1-10 we add 8+15=23. So these next 10 spins is asking to find 1 more non-hit, as BR is -4 and no need to be greedy reset to single unit, Br goes +10, stop take the win.
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Game 9 Den 18 spins and just gone plus its not worth going on, take the win BR is still growing.
Small sample but even in Steve's casino, MPR it's working.
Steve's casino LOL.
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As good as at simulator Den, keep it to yourself dont tell Turbo
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Still empty steve but onward to the top, untill you get your spyware to watch me when log in
87th. Why brag?
I think that we are (some of us) are thinking way to difficult regarding TG System...... :ooh:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 10, 01:36 PM 2018
I think that we are (some of us) are thinking way to difficult regarding TG System...... :ooh:
Play repeaters...Not to many...those with small gaps...use a positive progression to push the br up
Yes that is the way. Best to use a 3 step progression like mentionet before.
A 1/5/25
I use a 1/3/9 or a 1/4/16 progression they All work great up till now. The only thing we must Make sure is that if we hit one of our reoeaters, we are close to Recovery or over it. So An agressieve progression is the way to go.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 10, 02:16 PM 2018
Yes that is the way. Best to use a 3 step progression like mentionet before.
A 1/5/25
I use a 1/3/9 or a 1/4/16 progression they All work great up till now. The only thing we must Make sure is that if we hit one of our reoeaters, we are close to Recovery or over it. So An agressieve progression is the way to go.
But do you stop in 1st profit or go on with prog looking for that bigger profit and hope not meet this
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Apollo 5 spins +50
Nope, everytime i'm at a new High (No matter how Small) i start over.
As of now, 203 games played / 203 games won.
Like i said, stop when in profit or close to recovery, but close to recovery hasn't happend yet. not saying it never will, but still goin' strong this way.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 10, 02:27 PM 2018
Nope, everytime i'm at a new High (No matter how Small) i start over.
i'll give you 10 out of 10, smart
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 10, 02:30 PM 2018
As of now, 203 games played / 203 games won.
Like i said, stop when in profit or close to recovery, but close to recovery hasn't happend yet. not saying it never will, but still goin' strong this way.
The graph says it all.
At some point starting unit could rise ? As you play you'll be learning and recognise signals of impending danger and be able to make the right decisions to avoid a loss or at least make it not so damaging to bankroll
Yes, if at some point i think things are goin' nowhere, i just quit that session and take the loss. I know now that playing this way will give me much more winning sessions then loosing ones, so a loss here and there won't hurt the system and my longterm play. and i'm sure at some point i have to make that decision. it's roulette ain't it!
Maybe it ain't a bad idea after all to start every next cycle of 37 spins with a +1 unit base bet. But only when not in profit at the end of a cycle. just a thought.
We also good start after 3 repeaters show. most of the time between spin 15-24, that lowers our exposure even more. just thinking.
jekhb76 this is what your up against Morts #'s
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would it pay? all those R1 at 5 units
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Yep
the name Turbo Genius is what he truly is, a Genius.
a bit basic but shows the damage
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as said bit basic but bet every spin on a hit chip up, Nah
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I know i've tried walking that path also...death End. :question:
We have to work out More on the hints TG gave us.
Of of them that truly got me was the line 'AS LONG AS THERE ARE REPEATERS, I CAN'T LOSE'
208 games played 208 games won.......fantastic.......instead of going so steep in the progression why not just double stake after each cycle loss.......should not take long to recover...........could you share with us how you played those 208 games
another big clue was...... bet #s that show up more then they are expected to........... so i would stick with #s that hit 2 or more times before there cycle ends.......be it single # .... splits..... streets.....double streets ect ect.......
Yes you could be Right.
As far as i remember TG never stated that we need to bet single numbers as a single #, a repeater could be handled on many Different ways not only single #
Sure it's about the one number, and i also think steppin' outside won't do us any good, we need to stay inside. But that leaves us quarters, splits and Straight up bets. Mmmm much to think about.
Is TG still among us in the Forum?
Play repeaters...
Bet those with a small gap...
Use a positive progression....
Go beyond 37 spins...
Bring 1k to win 1k or more...
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No you cant win every session! But you know how much you can lose maximum on a session. But you should know how much you can win when our repeaters show at average or above
:thumbsup:
Thanks man, only question that still keeps popping up my mind is what do you Mean with a 'smal gap' ?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 12, 01:10 PM 2018
Thanks man, only question that still keeps popping up my mind is what do you Mean with a 'smal gap' ?
Its a way to cut down our repeater selection. Coz we cant play them all right ? So we select those that hit with a gap of lets say max 5 spins in between
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If you doubt about what i say...go to the other forum and reverse engineer his last graphs.
He actually played on 2 different ways.
1...he delete his full selection exept his hottest (bit 8 train like)
2...he kept all his numbers he selected
Both played with a positive progression
Thanks. No i Have No doubt about you, i Will try it out and of course checking other People methodes ain't doin' any Harm either.
Do you Have a link for me?
Thanks.
Quote from: keepontryin on Feb 12, 11:48 AM 2018another big clue was...... bet #s that show up more then they are expected to........... so i would stick with #s that hit 2 or more times
define, hot number, once and for all
Well if all 37 are supposed to hit in 37 spins, then they've hit expectation, hit once, so why would these be hot numbers, now when they hit twice, that is hot.
So part of the puzzle is done.
Give it a try
lets look at this from the greatest on here, Mr J.
Remember what he says must be playable at the table.
So TG likes to sit by the wheel, so reaching the top half must be a problem, also remember every spin the mat is cleared, meaning Tg has to replace all units as game proceeds at lightening speed, so needs a good way to record to enable to relay the units
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been having fun with this......using splits because we have american roulette here......any repeat within 6 spins play untill its cycle runs out.......i use 18 spins only because its easier
to keep track of the 6 spin repeater gap......
To this Point i understand.
You only start betting a repeater when and if only the Max cap between a repeater number is 5 spins.
From there on you only add repeaters to your list that has met the above criteria. Understood. But now Comes the hard part.....
What if we start of early with one or two repeaters and after 37 spins we have 5 numbers bet but Without a hit. As of now we are in debt, what needs to be done? Do we continue our next cycle with these same numbers? And do we Keep our units bet on All numbers the same or do we start with the same numbers except we are goin' Back to our base bet of 1 unit on each number and continue to add All repeating numbers that has a Max Gap of 5 spins? Now if we do the last, our list Will grow bigger and our debt is betting higher, how to continue that's the biggest question. If i remeber well TG said once that at some Point he needs to drop a number otherwise the list with get to big. Now what dies he drop and when?
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Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 12, 02:06 PM 2018Now what does he drop and when?
thats the to know part, i'm afraid i dont read all replies so might have missed a clue, but usually others post clues from replies.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 12, 02:13 PM 2018
thats the to know part, i'm afraid i dont read all replies so might have missed a clue, but usually others post clues from replies.
If his main hottie hits again...all the others get dropped. And we continue with 1#
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@ den
Wht if if u get early 2 repeater ( happen frequently) with small gap then the other 2 s are with big gap. And they r maintaining a big gap to run into 3s and the 4s even 5s
The graph is here...the numbers too..
Go nuts on it :xd:
Who knows maybe im wrong...
TG...your up
These r differently played.with sir anyones provided spin he played totaly different.
As Small loss in acceptabele as Long as the debt Will be erased in the next 1 or 2 cycles. So i guess a base unit raise after a cycle loss isn't a bad idea. Better then Keep All the numbers from the last session.
No excel or Rx skills. But hope ok.
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Every session is Different, but as TG stated, he can't lose as Long as there are repeaters. I think what he ment was is that a profit is not gained within a session, it is gained the session after the First and if not gained after the second cycle it is gained the next and so on...... He knows that at some Point a repeater is hit the way it was ment......mmmm now i'm losing myself :ooh: :wink:
Quote from: denzie on Feb 12, 02:17 PM 2018If his main hottie hits again...all the others get dropped. And we continue with 1#
Is that gospel, all others get dropped
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 12, 02:26 PM 2018
No excel or Rx skills. But hope ok.
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You should Have stopped the session once #18 was hit again. That was your profit.
These spin are not actually hard. Plenty of repeater to make bang.
Best thing is to reverse engineer this graph with numbers. Theres your answer :thumbsup:
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spin 30 a good win, so now drop all, but 2nd cycle not far away
Always stop the current sessions once profit is reached, that way the exposure on your bankroll is Starting Low and your not betting yourself into trouble.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 12, 02:33 PM 2018
These spin are not actually hard. Plenty of repeater to make bang.
Uhu...now can you play these # and make the same graph ?
But dont TG want big win, is that win with #18 good enough to stop.
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spin 30 a good win, so now drop all, but 2nd cycle not far away
Yes i See, it's a good one, but you didn't know that it was gonna happen.
So â,¬26 dollar profit on #18 was a good way to stop. It's a Day eating :wink:
I dont need to. #19 give u a big win. U can see.The graph doesnt need to be like him.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 12, 02:35 PM 2018
But dont TG want big win, is that win with #18 good enough to stop.
Yes for him, but profit is for me profit, No matter how Small. Our bankroll Will Keep on growing, if it takes a month to get 5000 dollar profit or within a day. Personal i would prefer within month if that means safer play.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 12, 02:37 PM 2018
I dont need to. #19 give u a big win. U can see.The graph doesnt need to be like him.
Yes you do need to ! Then maybe you will understand how to play as TG. Its not about how easy or hard this session was. ::)
A HG System is a System that Will give me more winning sessions then losing ones, No matter how Long or how often i play. If i can Make 26 dollar a day everyday of the month/year that is Fine by me. And if that means that i lose on the maybe big wins but with little exposure, i'm All in. My understanding is that the longer you play, the higher the risk of getting burned, real bad and Trust me i've been there many Times in my Life, on the hellside of roulette. One thing i Have learned over the years was to be greathful with every winning i got. And Keep in mind that with every dollar + you leave the casino as the loser.
Thats what i dont know how he plays exactly . Just by solving only 3-4 graph. Thats just an example. Daily facing spins are not suitable to fit his showed playing style. Not all of them but definitely a good number cycle.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 12, 02:50 PM 2018
Thats what i dont know how he plays exactly . Just by solving only 3-4 graph. Thats just an example. Daily facing spins are not suitable to fit his showed playing style. Not all of them but definitely a good number cycle.
And the one thing we will never know unless we find it ourselfs.
And i think that we don't need to think to hard, sometimes the awnser is lying in Small things. And i don't to know how TG is playing, only the basics, that our playing method remains in profit at the End of the day. Trust me, he ain't gonna share much More on this subject. And i respect him for that. He gave us enough clous to work with and if we stick our Heads togeter we can Make our own profitable System.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 12, 02:30 PM 2018
Is that gospel, all others get dropped
Up above my head, there is music in the Air. :thumbsup:
One thing i wonder his selection is close to perfect i believe. But how? What is the way he selecting?
I think not much Different then Den is telling us. MAX 5 SPINS BETWEEN REPEATERS.
Because the selection must kept Low otherwise our betting amount Will be eventualy larger then the winning.
Like Den said, you can't bet them All. And sure he is Missing some hits, but he also said that when a selectex number hits it hits big. So i think i he playing 5-10 numbers Max. Just my two cents.
No harm to give a try his suggestion. He actually has very good idea about TG s system. U can do that .
any thoughts on how he keeps track of spins as he needs to know where to replace chips and he aint got a computer to keep track at the table, only pen and paper
He is charting with pen and paper
I still think, with a good and clear wayis
Magic 8
I do not know if I played well.
I was waiting for this 8th repeater showed up and played only this one number, than hit 9th time, always end session. I used a positive progression 1/3/9
Just when hit next session was higher step.
My tests were not long because in this method you have to wait, I'm testing almost everything, unfortunately in BV rng, if there is waiting for it, I got all the time disconnections
But the results were really good, as someone has time, I recommend testing
This is only for rng.
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So set BR to 3000, biggest draw down was 1314,
From spin 71 had 3 #'s, was dropping #'s and at one point had 6, so needed to drop some, yes one of the dropped came in. A 336 profit
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 12, 04:33 PM 2018
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So set BR to 3000, biggest draw down was 1314,
From spin 71 had 3 #'s, was dropping #'s and at one point had 6, so needed to drop some, yes one of the dropped came in. A 336 profit
Pfffff close one.
heres the #'s, been better to KTF General
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Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 12, 04:42 PM 2018
Pfffff close one.
How did you play, with Max Gap of 5 spins?
Never mind my last post, Sorry daw yours to late.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 12, 01:16 PM 2018
Its a way to cut down our repeater selection. Coz we cant play them all right ? So we select those that hit with a gap of lets say max 5 spins in between
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This this the Gap that you play or is that Different All the Time?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 12, 04:47 PM 2018
Never mind my last post, Sorry daw yours to late.
I'll answer anyway as The General is here, like the KFC.
What i did was when started to bet the R1 when i got 5, dropped the furthest back, when 1 went R2 i chipped up and kept the 3 nearest R1 to the current spin, as said i got a bit out of hand trying to having 4 #'s only had 6 at one point, so adjusted to the hottest and dropped others to get just 4 hot #'s
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 12, 04:44 PM 2018
heres the #'s, been better to KTF General
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If it was played maybe how Denzie and TG does, it would have looked like this i think.
This bet only the repeaters with a max gap of 5 spins. and progression of 1/5/25 in mind.
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Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 12, 05:09 PM 2018
If it was played maybe how Denzie and TG does, it would have looked like this i think.
This bet only the repeaters with a max gap of 5 spins. and progression of 1/5/25 in mind.
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If you play progression betting, test this method. Play for 3 hits or loss then stop. It might work.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19861.msg190851#msg190851
U want to bet 21 spin?? Where ur profit ask u bet only 7 spin
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 12, 08:55 AM 2018the name Turbo Genius is what he truly is, a Genius.
Thank you.
Played on Notto numbers post#1080 above, the bet is qualified on spin 54 with 21-r2.
R1 - 9, 16, 34, 26, 1, 4, 36, 28, 20, 30, 12, 0
Bet 1/2/4/8/16 progression for each number.
Win on 0 - (1x24) = 24 units
Win on 36 - (8x24)-(7x12) = 108 units
Win on 30 - (4x24)-(3x12) = 60units
Total win 192 units. Risk 372 units. 51.6% return.
It does not win all games. Hopefully there are more win games than loss games. Need proper test.
You need to accept risk of progression and losses to play this game. You have to play with the correct br and accept drawdowns.
I made this post from my phone so hope no mistake. :)
If I play this, I wait for a virtual loss, then start bet with a 1/2/4/8 progression.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Feb 12, 07:36 PM 2018
Thank you.
Some guys are losing a lot playing hotties the wrong way. Care to lend a helping hand.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Feb 12, 07:36 PM 2018
Thank you.
I said that because, the concept looks so simpel, yet it's so hard to master. The only person i know of Who actulay has masters this method is you. Hats off sir.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 12, 04:10 PM 2018
I still think, with a good and clear wayis
Magic 8
I do not know if I played well.
I was waiting for this 8th repeater showed up and played only this one number, than hit 9th time, always end session. I used a positive progression 1/3/9
Just when hit next session was higher step.
My tests were not long because in this method you have to wait, I'm testing almost everything, unfortunately in BV rng, if there is waiting for it, I got all the time disconnections
But the results were really good, as someone has time, I recommend testing
This is only for rng.
Play it in rx ... set it to 100spins. After click by click...much faster testing :thumbsup:
It is a very good system. ;)
Quote from: Madi on Feb 12, 03:20 PM 2018
No harm to give a try his suggestion. He actually has very good idea about TG s system. U can do that .
I think im pretty close. If im wrong TG can always correct me of course.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 13, 03:56 AM 2018
I think im pretty close. If im wrong TG can always correct me of course.
Good morning Den,
May i ask if the 5 Max Gap is also the one as you use or do you use something Different. And how do you bet after 37 spins, do you only play the numbers until a hit from the first cycle or do you add repeaters with a 5 Gap as they come along? Thanks for the respons in advance and Have a Nice day my friend.
Hi General from the KFC
Quote from: denzie on Feb 13, 03:56 AM 2018
I think im pretty close. If im wrong TG can always correct me of course.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 13, 03:59 AM 2018
Good morning Den,
May i ask if the 5 Max Gap is also the one as you use or do you use something Different. And how do you bet after 37 spins, do you only play the numbers until a hit from the first cycle or do you add repeaters with a 5 Gap as they come along? Thanks for the respons in advance and Have a Nice day my friend.
Den if its max 5, how does it stop you from getting to many hot #'s.
Can i ask how many #'s do you think or know Turbo uses
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 13, 07:58 AM 2018
Den if its max 5, how does it stop you from getting to many hot #'s.
Can i ask how many #'s do you think or know Turbo uses
He must be dropping numbers off at some Point, because a Hot number turns to a cold one eventualy. That's why i asked how does he continue betting, because i had alot of sessions that didn't produced winning in theorie cycle and i'm confused how to continue in the next cycle.....
just now BR 3000
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Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 13, 08:56 AM 2018
He must be dropping numbers off at some Point, because a Hot number turns to a cold one eventualy. That's why i asked how does he continue betting, because i had alot of sessions that didn't produced winning in theorie cycle and i'm confused how to continue in the next cycle.....
Why not give this a try:
Cycle is 37 numbers. After 1 cycle bet only the 2 repeats.
On a hit increase the units of that number.
Next cycle: Add the new 2 repeaters of the cycle and decrease every number from the last cycle. So numbers with 1 unit will be deleted.
Repeat till profit?
Now is it made for me to win, just betting those 4 hotties, again set BR to 3000
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Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 13, 11:05 AM 2018
Now is it made for me to win, just betting those 4 hotties, again set BR to 3000
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Still too much exposure. But it Made a good profit.
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Well MPR is the place to test, only 1000 to start, went +profit early, so carried on, got down to just below 500 betting the hotties, thought better get out with the profit
61 spins.
If interested started
10/10
6;+1
11;+1
26;+1 so 16 non-hit came in spins 11-40
See The General keeps looking ( the old KFC did the job) keep watching you might learn something, cough
Quote from: RayManZ on Feb 13, 09:25 AM 2018
Why not give this a try:
Cycle is 37 numbers. After 1 cycle bet only the 2 repeats.
On a hit increase the units of that number.
Next cycle: Add the new 2 repeaters of the cycle and decrease every number from the last cycle. So numbers with 1 unit will be deleted.
Repeat till profit?
Didn't i just made a "Magic 2" thingy about that ?
:thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 13, 08:56 AM 2018
He must be dropping numbers off at some Point, because a Hot number turns to a cold one eventualy.
I actually did said already :thumbsup:
Once again.... Look the graph ...Look the numbers...now start to puzzel.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 13, 12:35 PM 2018
I actually did said already :thumbsup:
Once again.... Look the graph ...Look the numbers...now start to puzzel.
Sorry Denzie, i think i'm the only noob here, but good you please Tell me wich graph and wich numbers? And what do you men by reverse Engineering it.... Again Sorry for the same question, but still don't get it. Can you post An example how to reverse Engineering numbers and what graph you meant? Also do you still Have the link for the other Forum where he is playing two Different methodes? Thanks man and again Sorry for the trouble, but i would love to learn, but a teacher must Help during the lessons :wink: maybe it's because i'm Dutch :wink:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 13, 01:17 PM 2018maybe it's because i'm Dutch :wink:
Oh no , een Hollander ;)
De site : . Gamblingforums . com
(Ff aan elkaar zetten want ik kan die link hier niet posten)
Topic : What if i told you
Nu de grafiek staat hier op pagina 70. En eronder staan de gespeelde nummers in volgorde. Als je zodanig kan betten dat je dezelfde grafiek kan krijgen...dan speel je zoals TG.
Sorry guys...back to english
And im no teacher. This is TG his posts
:thumbsup:
lots of heads thinkin over it...lol
see the pic...what happens with ht numbers if you track them in dozens...
start tracking hits once you got repeat bet hit numbers in that dozen for no more than 4 spins..
in 37 spins you will get dozen hit in 4 or less spins
Quote from: denzie on Feb 13, 01:30 PM 2018
And im no teacher. This is TG his posts
:thumbsup:
But you are head boy, so we look to what you post.
Tracking gets a bit heavy.
As said best place to test is MPR (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/13/temp_857054.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/Gx3TL) had to reset BR as got lost in one game.
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Quote from: denzie on Feb 13, 01:28 PM 2018
Oh no , een Hollander ;)
De site : . Gamblingforums . com
(Ff aan elkaar zetten want ik kan die link hier niet posten)
Topic : What if i told you
Nu de grafiek staat hier op pagina 70. En eronder staan de gespeelde nummers in volgorde. Als je zodanig kan betten dat je dezelfde grafiek kan krijgen...dan speel je zoals TG.
Sorry guys...back to english
Bedankt.
What kind of Program can i use to make such a graph den? I can't use roulette extreme, because the Program has a conflict with my laptop. No it's not the firewall etc and i'm Starting it S administrator,, but No succes. So any other Program i can use? And what is MPR that everyone is telling about? Thanks.
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MPR going well getting better with the tracking.
Now on GF did Turbo say he couldn't do the tracking on paper, well he weren't wrong.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 13, 03:12 PM 2018
MPR going well getting better with the tracking.
Now on GF did Turbo say he couldn't do the tracking on paper, well he weren't wrong.
But if the tracking can't be done on paper then how the heck are we gonna use it in a B/M casino?
jekhb76
I'm using a paper record sheet, if your a good boy i might post it.
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Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 13, 03:12 PM 2018
MPR going well getting better with the tracking.
Now on GF did Turbo say he couldn't do the tracking on paper, well he weren't wrong.
He tracks on paper, for the method your all talking about. Though Im sure he did also say it could potentially be done in your head. If you dared.
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I would not dare, tracking on paper at the moment is enough.
An excel sheet can do the count.
When played at b&m casino track with pen & paper supplied by the casino. It's not too difficult. Pitboss loves you.
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Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 13, 02:30 PM 2018
But you are head boy, so we look to what you post.
Tracking gets a bit heavy.
As said best place to test is MPR (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/13/temp_857054.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/Gx3TL) had to reset BR as got lost in one game.
Good morning everyone.
Can i ask what kind of aggresive progression you use?
And how many Steps Max.
I mosty use 1/3/9/27/243
1/5/25/50
Last game #7 came 5 times,#23 3 times, i did think about dropping #7 after 4th hit, but kept with it. Good that i did.
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The game above actual 74 spins. #26 hit 6times, #31hit 5times, there were 5#'s that hit 4, Like TG says you'll miss some but still made a profit.
Mr J will like this, all the posted MPR positions are using just 4 #'s
Ye at the end of day you are following him and he is right.! Trot cant pull up like this. Neither KFC nor mac.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 14, 05:39 AM 2018Trot cant pull up like this. Neither KFC
you have to know how to find the KFC, you've been in,inside bets have you not learn't anything, Andre has
Thats why u r playing this rather than KFC. What u couldnt do in years with KFc u r doing it in one day.
What i have learnt is a big list of number doesnt work. Put chip on 36 due and pull it up.
But if you're watching you wont just throw units on, there must be some reason to bet, like GUT, a crossing , if using average how many times has there been repeats or a run of non-hit.
I have shown on average in spins 11-40, 15 non-hit come and 15 repeats, for 60 spins average is 30.5 non-hit, if at spin 40 theres been 25, next 20 spins, there should/could be another 5 non-hit.
So its all about watch.
As we're in Turbo, how do you know i'm doing like genius, we have only been dropped hints and Den is doing a good job. The hardest part is the dropping of #'s
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Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 14, 06:34 AM 2018
But if you're watching you wont just throw units on, there must be some reason to bet, like GUT, a crossing , if using average how many times has there been repeats or a run of non-hit.
I have shown on average in spins 11-40, 15 non-hit come and 15 repeats, for 60 spins average is 30.5 non-hit, if at spin 40 theres been 25, next 20 spins, there should/could be another 5 non-hit.
So its all about watch.
As we're in Turbo, how do you know i'm doing like genius, we have only been dropped hints and Den is doing a good job. The hardest part is the dropping of #'s
I personal think that there lyes the key.
To know when and what number to drop off! What i've learned so far is that TG doesn't use too many numbers, so he needs to drop at some point, otherwise you are dealing with 10+ repeaters at some Point that maybe don't hit in a Long Time or 10 Different hits on 10 Different numbers. I've been there, Goodbye bankroll.
jekhb76
TG is in here perhaps some more clues
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 14, 07:54 AM 2018
jekhb76
TG is in here perhaps some more clues
Let's Hope so, that he will find the Time and need to drop in.
From Re Engineering his graph on the other Forum, i could not Tell much because the Most triggers he was betting on during that session was 4. And overal not many qualifyd repeaters were there to play, so he didn't had to bet a Large Group. So looking at that graph we still don't know what he drops of and when on other sessions, because of the fact that he doesn't do that in that session. Still More questions.
From All the threats i followers of him, i know that he handled a Max amount of numbers at all Times during his playing sessions. Could be 5-10 or 5-12 Who knows, but i think i would be More likely he has a Max of 5-10 numbers.
Otherwise the betting Group Will betting to big and the payout vs betting Will be to Small and the Max betting every spin Will eventualy not be covers with the winnings.
So he needs to handleiding a Max numbers at all Times, and to achieve that he must be dropping of numbers or set a Max and only betting those numbers over and over again ignoring new betting opportunities.
Right i've blown the lot, not because it weren't working, because got interupted by wifey. Your dinner is here, so whilst eating it, yes the 4 #'s hit, and i just carried on an blew the lot as others were catching up and marking was behind.
Know should have stopped but it's only fun.
I bet TG is eating popcorn now :lol:
And Fossel too ;)
Quote from: denzie on Feb 14, 10:38 AM 2018
I bet TG is eating popcorn now :lol:
And Fossel too ;)
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :lol:
Thank fcuk she went out, so the loss thru reckless betting is now back in profit. Madi how do i know if i'm doing turbo way
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Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 14, 12:03 PM 2018
Thank fcuk she went out, so the loss thru reckless betting is now back in profit. Madi how do i know if i'm doing turbo way
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Yes know what you Mean, Mine is in bed, not feeling well. But hey after the 5 kids are in bed i Have All the Time to be Active :twisted:
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 14, 12:03 PM 2018
Thank fcuk she went out, so the loss thru reckless betting is now back in profit. Madi how do i know if i'm doing turbo way
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Can you roll in a session of spins here, See if i can Help.
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The speed of 30 second spins does not allow for manual recording of the number span. Marking off the number to drop and change the units gets to close to making mistakes.
Hey JEKHB76,
Follow the advice from Denzie, read what TG has said at GF forum. Work this out for yourself, do not expect an answer how to do it from Denzie, TG or Ken. Take a few months to study what is said. Denzie has said to much to early. Do lots of testing, maybe look at the daily spins at Hamburg permanenzen at try to remind what is said. Good luck.
i'm back TG good news still going ok. used a lot of the BR, won with 100 unit and couple with 50 after the 100 unit win sat there with profit and watched, waited 10 spins changing the ones to bet, couldn't believe it, win on 1st bet of restarting
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All's quiet
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All's quiet
Don't get me wrong, you are doin' great but we are still not a step further i'm the Quest to turbo's method.
Its obvious how to play. You've got use the hottest, the part you've got to find is how to keep the #'s down.
Guys, c'mon, Turbo's method is Turbo's method.
FFS find your own method.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 15, 06:58 AM 2018
Its obvious how to play. You've got use the hottest, the part you've got to find is how to keep the #'s down.
I told this already. If the big kahuna hits we drop ALL the rest and play 1# only . :thumbsup:
Quote from: Taotie on Feb 15, 06:59 AM 2018
Guys, c'mon, Turbo's method is Turbo's method.
FFS find your own method.
Then TG should not give pointers, but he does have a point #'s become hot, lightning
Quote from: denzie on Feb 15, 07:39 AM 2018
I told this already. If the big kahuna hits we drop ALL the rest and play 1# only . :thumbsup:
I know that you Have said that den, but that won't work All the Time. You are betting deeper and deeper in the hole. I Have tried it, but not everytime the big Bopper hits would get you into profit. Sometimes you Have More big bets on Different numbers at the same Time and the bets Run against the click in No Time. I Have played a session yesterday where the 25 bet hit but after that i was still down to -560. So if i would drop All the numbers after that and start with one again, i won't get out of that hole anymore. There is No solution to that how i See it. Or is there something that you know that Most of us don't, please share if you do.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 15, 08:31 AM 2018
I know that you Have said that den, but that won't work All the Time. You are betting deeper and deeper in the hole. I Have tried it, but not everytime the big Bopper hits would get you into profit. Sometimes you Have More big bets on Different numbers at the same Time and the bets Run against the click in No Time. I Have played a session yesterday where the 25 bet hit but after that i was still down to -560. So if i would drop All the numbers after that and start with one again, i won't get out of that hole anymore. There is No solution to that how i See it. Or is there something that you know that Most of us don't, please share if you do.
On a hit: Drop all number that hit less then the number that hit.
At the start wins came quick, but as i've gone on wins take longer.
At start repeats were quick, now non-hit come more and more, most games start 10/10 and other places 10/10 dont happen as much as here, Ro better even says MPR watches you.
Is that why so many lose,
As said earlier... I dont win every session. But the ones that do win (most) make up for the losses coz i use a small br. A very good session can make up for 10 or more losing sessions.
Just saying :thumbsup:
What if steve is watching game play and sees the method wins more than its losses, whats he going to do sell the method, or in corporate it to his computers
Quote from: denzie on Feb 15, 09:59 AM 2018
As said earlier... I dont win every session. But the ones that do win (most) make up for the losses coz i use a small br. A very good session can make up for 10 or more losing sessions.
Just saying :thumbsup:
Understand, but when to stop, so i should Have stopped once one of the big ones hit? And is it Safe to say that a Max of 8 repeaters can be used. After that stop and continue only with the 8 and when some numbers Have a 25 bet on them and hit stop? Even in debt? But what if More numbers of the 8 Have the High bet on them? Care to demo a play session? Thanks neibour.
There are many possibilities, but we can combine.
The simplest method would be just when we in the start session play 3 first repeaters, each of 12 spins, when we will not have a hit, we will lose only 36 units.
Then we start the progression, say 1/3/9 positive.
If we have a hit, we raise the stake for that number and we play another 12 spins.
It was the simplest form that limits our losses.
We can change the selection form that we will only play the first 3 numbers with Gaps no more than 6 spins ..
We can also change progression to an aggressive 1/5/25
Or milder only 1/3
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Turbo do you think the Roulette simulator people will be working on your games to see how you play. See you're back private so players there cant see your game play.
One of your students would love to get a look.
Ok turbo man show us your dirty secret please, put something on paper. >:(
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Turbo do you think the Roulette simulator people will be working on your games to see how you play. See you're back private so players there cant see your game play.
One of your students would love to get a look.
I would love to have a look too, but i'm affraid that ain't gonna happen. And i totaly understand.
Im not new at roulette having good wins with turbos concepts on the game .
I'm betting max 7 numbers that repeat 2times to become more throughout the first cycle.
Flat bet any time I have a draw down I will raise my bet .i will finish the first cycle like this on the second cycle I will drop all 7 numbers that repeat 3 or more times and I'll bet on all numbers with 2 hits from the first cycle in the second cycle again up to 7 numbers .and do this same for the third cycle . I'm not sure if turbo is doing this but it's working for now and I'll improve it as I go along.
I'm also trying it flatbetting for once.
Only i try it this way;
Bet All repeaters up to 8 Max with a Max Gap of 5 spins. After a hit and not in profit, remove the one hit from. The list and continue with the rest up to 8 Max. Then after 37 spins i remove everything and start fresh again, only this time i raise my base bet +1 unit, and continue the same way. As soon as you reach profit, reset. So far 6 Games played and 115 units profit.
jekhb76
Yesterday on roulette simulator at 60 spins there was only 3 of the starting 37 non-hits left, at spin 81 all had come.
So this game R1 were slow and R2 no better, the worse case scenario, once start betting on R1's, gradualy they grew before R2's appeared, what saved the game was 2 went R3 and then R4.
2 games later again Non-hits fast and using only 4#'s the BR was going down, what saved the day was being able to see that one half was hitting more, the side 26 down to 5, so increased to all hotties in that half and the win eventually came. Without pen& paper you would not see this, so this betting for repeats, i don't think could be done in just using memory
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jekhb76
As mentioned seems to give non-hit, 15 before a repeat.
Only 9 non-hit to find after 50 spins. So a fast game for non-hit, 28 in 50 spins, my average for 60 spins is 30.5 and morts is 29 point something.
Seems average is ignored by some for X amount of spins in a game, but if you recognise how the non-hit are coming, say use Winkels reference points 13,25,37 might help with decision making about if to drop some.
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Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 15, 11:07 AM 2018
Understand, but when to stop, so i should Have stopped once one of the big ones hit? And is it Safe to say that a Max of 8 repeaters can be used. After that stop and continue only with the 8 and when some numbers Have a 25 bet on them and hit stop? Even in debt? But what if More numbers of the 8 Have the High bet on them? Care to demo a play session? Thanks neibour.
I never stop after a hit or when in profit. I push the br as high as possible. And mostly im only playing few numbers. Not 8.
Just keep the br not to high. Adapt to your units. Playing 1â,¬ chips ? Dont bring 1k.
Den
If you play at B+M what does you record sheet look like, please.
That goes to anyone if they play for repeats.
This is only good for KTF
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Quote from: denzie on Feb 17, 04:09 AM 2018
I never stop after a hit or when in profit. I push the br as high as possible. And mostly im only playing few numbers. Not 8.
Just keep the br not to high. Adapt to your units. Playing 1â,¬ chips ? Dont bring 1k.
Had je een berichtje gestuurd.
I truly believe that roulette can be beaten with Math, i Always did and i always wil. But the problem we are Running into is the Right code.
Same when you Have a vault, you know that it can be opend, but you need the Right combination to do so.
The only thing that can crack roulette is ramdomness. That is the only error they Made when producing the game, More then 200 years ago. I also think that we are thinking much to complex regarding systems and methodes, Just my thoughts. Why i Always, everyday every minuten i get the feeling that the awnser to this is so much simpler then what it looks like. There are only a handful of players in the world that actualy cracked the code, but i think we can count them on one hand. We need to get Back to the basics, if we want to try and figure the whole repeaters problem out. Wel i Have another 45+ years to think about All of this if i'm Lucky. :wink:
Anyone who hasn't checked out the win-max roulette site should do so. They have loads of good info and stats on this sort of stuff. Some of it you can view as a guest but you need to login to see the LOTT material.
One thing I noticed was that by spin 25, you should have one number that has hit 3 times and five numbers that have hit 2 times on average. By spin 38 those numbers that have hit twice rises to 10. So you can see why it gets expensive using a progression if you get caught with a lot of 2's in a cycle. By spin 32, you should have eight 2's and two 3's on average. I suppose the trick (if there is one) is to find that sweet spot.
Quote from: wiggy on Feb 17, 10:01 AM 2018
Anyone who hasn't checked out the win-max roulette site should do so. They have loads of good info and stats on this sort of stuff. Some of it you can view as a guest but you need to login to see the LOTT material.
One thing I noticed was that by spin 25, you should have one number that has hit 3 times and five numbers that have hit 2 times on average. By spin 38 those numbers that have hit twice rises to 10. So you can see why it gets expensive using a progression if you get caught with a lot of 2's in a cycle. By spin 32, you should have eight 2's and two 3's on average. I suppose the trick (if there is one) is to find that sweet spot.
I know that Site, i'm a member there. lots of good info in there. :.win-maxx.com
There is a trick, the problem is, only the few Who know, are keeping their Lips sealed.
Quote from: wiggy on Feb 17, 10:01 AM 2018I suppose the trick (if there is one) is to find that sweet spot.
Greetings wiggy
Dont Genius say to bet less #'s. There is away, its watch the flow, thats to much info >:D
Hello Notto, hope things are going well for you buddy :thumbsup:
Yep, I agree with you (always have) The 'trot' or 'flow'...call it what you like. It's like the roadmap to guide you along. Too many bumps in the road without it.
cheers
Why not bet All? After a hit +1 unit on that number. After 37 spins remove All numbers that hit More then once, and continue with the 1s...... :wink:
jekhb76
If you place 1 unit on every spin, those 37 spins cost 703 units, so you need 20 wins of 36 to profit. Admittedly some of the 37 spins give a repeat, so some numbers will have 2 units and possibly one or two might have 3 units, as its flatbet 1 unit each time you have to get 20 win values of 36.
And to many times it fails
how do you decide what a hot number is.
What did the topic on main roulette board, Define a hot number, once and for all, come up with?
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 17, 12:45 PM 2018
jekhb76
If you place 1 unit on every spin, those 37 spins cost 703 units, so you need 20 wins of 36 to profit. Admittedly some of the 37 spins give a repeat, so some numbers will have 2 units and possibly one or two might have 3 units, as its flatbet 1 unit each time you have to get 20 win values of 36.
And to many times it fails
I know, it wasn't ment seriously :wink:
The lesser numbers you bet, the higher the change of getting out in profit!
been using this logic with splits.......american wheel.......record spins in groups of 6 spins.....if no repeats bet those 6 splits for 3x......if shows just one repeat....bet just that one repeat for 16x.....if 2 splits show twice bet those for 8x......after every series bet always look at last 6 spins......never bet when any split shows 3 or more times.....thats it
Is Torbo right or not? ::)
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Feb 17, 03:57 PM 2018
Is Torbo right or not? ::)
You Mean Turbo, well don't know. Maybe you should ask him.
Turbo are you right?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Feb 17, 04:16 PM 2018
:twisted:
I did not know that you are Turbo so it mean yes, Turbo is right, thanks jekhb76turbo.
Hi Turbo & everyone!
May I go back to the beginning? To the 1st page in which Turbo describes 38 players playing at the same time, and the house edge combined being 0. Could I just ask a few questions about this?
1. This is described after '3cycles' = 114 spins. But is this claim of the house edge being 0 mathematically correct? Can we somehow show it to be correct with a formula? Is it correct from the 1st bet placed? (Remember that, at this point, there is only one player playing? ) Or at what point does it become correct? Or is it just that, in a simulation, at some point, the profit and loss happened to balance? (There appears to be some charts missing in Turbo's post, I think it has been copied from somewhere else. So everything isn't clear.)
2. These 38 players will eventually get to a point, when every number has shown, that every player is betting 1 unit on one number. There is 1 unit on every number of the wheel. Then, clearly, the house edge is not 0 but is 5.26%. So are we to believe that at the spin prior to the last number showing, the house edge is 0, and then it suddenly jumps to 5.26?
3. Do we all agree that this statement that the house edge being 0 for this case is correct? We are constantly told by anyone who considers the subject that the house edge cannot be changed.
4. In 'Summary Statistics' Net Win -2,652 Net % -94.44%
What does this mean?
Regards to all
Dave
It's a bit difficult to understand.
I mean, it's about the play numbers that reduces the house edge to 0.
Did you try to do it with a wheel with one zero?
Did you show a positive edge?
Generally, there are statistics in the forums that playing the last numbers reduced the house edge.
Even here on the forum were links to the game 4 last numbers, as it would reduce
Combining all elements, i.e.
Using wheels with one zero
Play only the last 4 numbers
And using a positive, very aggressive progression 1/5/25
Theoretically, we should reduce the house edge to a minimum
Hi Ozon...
No I didn't try a wheel with one zero, but if I were to bet, I would definitely only play one zero wheels.
Now if we were to play as if we were all 37 players (lets say 37, and assume a European single zero wheel) then we would simply bet each number as it appears, keeping 1 unit on each number.
At what point would the house edge become 0? I mean, Turbo states it as a FACT. If so, surely it can be shown by maths, as the edge of 2.7% can be. Or are we saying it is a FACT because of statistics. If so, does anyone have a link to them please? I mean, I would love to believe this, but I struggle to!
By the way, in your post you mention reducing the house edge to a minimum, which is not quite the same as saying that it is 0. Reducing the edge to a minimum will still give a loss in the long run.
Could you explain this 'last 4 numbers' method please. Do you mean 3 bets- 1 unit, 5, 25 then stop?
Steve... Turbo... any comments on this?
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19399.0
When I was still at the stage of faith in long negative progressions, my friend did simulations in rx, that playing even a negative progression with 4 last numbers works much better than playing, random 4 numbers.
Believe me, positive progression gives a gentle edge, there is only the right calculation how this staking should look.
I do not claim that using the theory I have presented above, we will win, but it's worth checking to program in rx.
Thanks Ozon! Now I have more reading to do...
Will catch up with you soon.
Guys and girls...
I now realise that there is a lot of discussion about this on another forum.
But listen, there is only so many ways we can play this, trouble is, if someone (such as I) thought they worked it out, it
would be irresponsible to say so, because if they were wrong then people could lose a lot of money.
And, Turbo is unlikely to confirm it if it is correct.
One other thing, this 114 spin data. No matter what the house edge is, surely with this many spins in some trials we could be above 0, sometimes below. It just happens to be that this trial gave a result of 0.
Turbo, surely it is responsible of you to say that if you run your trial a few times, the results vary, sometimes small profit, sometimes small loss?
Todays #'s from Mortagon, anyone who thinks they might be playing Turbo way or similar, post your profit, you can't lose, remember the time machine, well use it.
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basic, place a unit every spin. 37 spins =703 units, to win need 20 wins, or take 1st profit ?
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spin 70; +456 (2,16,24,27,30,36) using these 6#'s
Hi NotTopHammer
Trying to follow the above chart. So we don't see a 3-show until spin 38, correct? (28)
12 2-shows in 37 spins.
But what are the 6#s you mention?
Cheers
Dave
Quote from: daveylibra on Feb 22, 11:43 AM 2018But what are the 6#s you mention?
6 hot numbers from todays numbers by mortagon, +456
@ NotTopHammer
I see thanks. +456 good going!
& one question for Turbo if you don't mind. Can't see that it has been answered before.
The method you play, do you keep going until +? Or stop-loss? Or a particular number of spins?
Cheers
Dave
@Turbo.....we were demoted a place each. At least you are still on the podium. :)
Quote from: wiggy on Feb 22, 04:48 PM 2018@Turbo.....we were demoted a place each. At least you are still on the podium.
Did you see the absolute nonsense bets that #1 and #2 made. LOL.
So they made a high risk bet and won, now they're afraid to play because they'll drop in position.
The other one has -3k -3k -3k -3k trying to get lucky again.
Oh well, I'll still pass them both - it just takes time. My chart is all positives and no losing sessions. I'm patient.
(link:s://s17.postimg.org/en4ekoian/5a8fc303.jpg)
Not to mention "Bago"? Still in 6th and making the same kind of bets, losing almost all of them and hoping like hell to get lucky and have another big win to move up.
Why do people play this way ? Sure you can win once, but you can't do it consistently over time which is what really matters.
good going turbo........ been following you since the early glamber glen days ....what a hoot........for many many years just stayed back and watched ....you have always been a favourite of mine..........you make it look so easy........
QuoteOh well, I'll still pass them both - it just takes time.
just wonder what kind of shittty commmment Steve will make :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd: :xd:
I agree with you Turbo.....slow and steady wins the race.
5 quick games today.
We should both aim for a 'million in may' (sorry, couldn't resist :-[)
Quote from: wiggy on Feb 23, 03:53 PM 2018I agree with you Turbo.....slow and steady wins the race.
5 quick games today.
We should both aim for a 'million in may' (sorry, couldn't resist
The problem is that they only allow 3k bankrolls to be used for each session.
That's the main reason why it's taking so long. It's a shame because if I have 460k for a bankroll, I shouldn't be limited each session to 3k. But fair enough, I didn't make the rules lol. Slow and Steady.
I'm sure we could have a million by may each lol. And if it represents bringing 3k to the casino for a bankroll each playing session - it's entirely possible to in the "real world" as well.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Feb 23, 04:45 PM 2018The problem is that they only allow 3k bankrolls to be used for each session.
Yes better than MPR starting 1000, but if your that good each return has your bigger bank roll to use, but then is it the table limit on MPR
Quote from: TurboGenius on Feb 23, 04:45 PM 2018The problem is that they only allow 3k bankrolls to be used for each session.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 23, 07:29 PM 2018Yes better than MPR starting 1000, but if your that good each return has your bigger bank roll to use, but then is it the table limit on MPR
And Steve if your looking, the game crashes, yes do all your recommendations, but still crashes, and it's on a win, always, on R-Simulator never had a crash.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 24, 09:25 AM 2018
And Steve if your looking, the game crashes, yes do all your recommendations, but still crashes, and it's on a win, always, on R-Simulator never had a crash.
On a win, always? So thats why your results dont impress?
The game is not crashing or i would be restarting it constantly. The problem is your connection lagging. Weve been through this before. Or maybe it is fine and you need to explain losses. The other game doesnt need constant server connection. If you dont like mpr and the benefit of real spins, stop bitching and dont play there. Ive already explained why mpr is a much better option to compare results. Real casinos dont have so many big winners. Isnt that a clue?
Made it to the top with a marathon session!! O0
Do u play vdw or something else?
Madi, I use a combination of some ideas from Turbo, Pryanka and a few of my own all rolled into one strategy. It works on a fair RNG or live B+M casino. It's best not to get too fixated on one particular betting location IMO. Turbo likes playing the straight up numbers, Pryanka's favourite was the lines (6 numbers)....my favourite is the splits. They all have their own time and place where they excel.
Wiggy
And how the situation looks against online RNG casionos
Are the wins also big?
Long time ago I had a very good long progression, which was excellent against betvoyager rng, but discconections bother.
After switching the Net Ent software, progression was destroyed, losing session after losing sessions.
Hello Ozon,
When I play for real, I choose either a B+M Casino or Live online Casino. For testing purposes, I use Roulette Extreme and I suppose the simulators count for testing purposes as well because they have no reason to cheat. I have not / would not play on any of the RNG platforms like Playtech, Net Ent etc... The only RNG I have ever played for real money was Betvoyager because of their randomness control, but I didn't really feel comfortable playing there either. 'The General / Real' mentioned something the other day where supposedly there are some Russians who can manipulate the RNG platforms. So if players can do it, what's to stop any dodgy Casino's doing it. You can take it all with a pinch of salt but I suppose the best thing is just not to play them if you don't trust them or notice skewed results from what you can achieve playing elsewhere.
I am not one for long drawn out progressions. I much prefer something like a divisor.
cheers
Your results, really amazingly good.
That's why I asked how online casinos react to such players.
Thanks for information.
The basis is probably not to win too much in short period of time.
Betvoyager is good to play but not very long sessions, then problems with disconnections begin.
Well bet every spin is standing up, starting on 1st number to hit twice, target to win is as close to 500 units.
Just played 169 spins without MPR crashing, won 464 units.
I mention without crashing because betting every spin, a crash would not let you relay all placements and if the crash hits, you could end up down on starting BR, convenient for win rate.
Not a dig Steve just a true observation
Notto you are not understanding the win rate is calculated by the server and cannot be cheated. If you are missing bets, it has no bearing on your long term win rate.
Missing bets is not a crash. It is lag from your isp connection, not the server. The server connection is extremely reliable. But your route to the server may be poor. Thats your location and isp. If you played at real online casinos with real spins, you'll likely find the same thing.
Quote from: Steve on Feb 26, 09:30 PM 2018
Notto you are not understanding the win rate is calculated by the server and cannot be cheated. If you are missing bets, it has no bearing on your long term win rate.
Missing bets is not a crash. It is lag from your isp connection, not the server. The server connection is extremely reliable. But your route to the server may be poor. Thats your location and isp. If you played at real online casinos with real spins, you'll likely find the same thing.
Steve, that's when people say the online casino's are rigged. Because they lose connection. No reason for you to do that.
Losing connection is an old trick in the books by the online casino's. When you are reconnected, one of the numbers you were playing was a winner. It's been proven time in and time out. This happens every where. The only way to avoid that scam(there is no need for you to do this) is to keep messenger or any other chat window open and when that happens online check you chat connection to see if it was your ISP or the casino's.
There is no reason for you to do this. You not losing money with the payout's.
Good morning friends.
I MAY HAVE FOUND THE SOLUTION TO TURBO'S METHOD (REPEATERS)!
I've played around 50 sessions last night and not lost one of them, this was on the roulette simulaties site. Only problem i can't show you my sessions from yesterday as i did not played rated :question: But as Time permits today i Will do it again and show you my results.
It involves every repeater played and with turbo's 1/5/25 progression. In those 50 sessions my biggest drawdown was 1300 or so and Always came out possitive with at least 35 units, but Most of the Time much More.
And All of the sessions were over before spin 100.
I'm very exited to show you All my playing style. Don't know if Turbo Will react to this, but we'll See. Have a great day folks, met you know a.s.a.p.
Just did a quick 10 session play (10/10) All won and all done before spin 40. rest will follow later, because i need to go to work.
stay tuned.
Hi, i Have a Break now at work so i wil try to explaining it in a simple abc. And Yes you can also play it with repeaters, but i prefer Straight up because of the payout.
Well one thing we should Keep in mind is that we need to keep it as simple as possible.
As you All know, and Turbo has stated this many Times before; as Long as there are repeaters, you can't loose. And 1s Will be come 2s and 3s Will become 4s etc etc etc. Forgetting about the 1s, we will never play them, because as Long as they remain 1s they are cold numbers and you All know that you can Have as much as 27 + unique numbers in a row before a hit. I know that it won't happen often, but the Times that it will happen it will destroy your bankroll and i don't wanna get myself ever in such a possition.
Now another important thing is to never raise any bets only when a number hits, this is possible, but also not Always. I Will explaining that in a moment.
Also forget about a 9 or 18 spin Window, this isn't important. That's important is to make sure that we only betting numbers that Have shown More then they should Have.
So everytime a number Comes in in a 37 spin cycle, we look if it allready did that once in that cycle. When it did, we start our betting proces by playing 1 unit on that number.
So let's say you Have the next sequence:
3,24,8,6,21,3 3 is our number, so far clear Right? Now everytime a new number repeaters we look if it has repeaters within his 37 cycle and then bet that number also with 1 unit! So not raising All by one, we remain everything with 1 unit. So it's possible to have 3,4,5 or More numbers in play with only 1 unit on them. Next when one of our nunbers hits, we look if we at a new High, if we do, we remove All bets and start fresh by tracking new numbers within a 37 spin cycle. When we are not a new High when one of our numbers has hit, we look if that number did return for the second Time in the last 37 spins. If it did, we then raise that number to 5 chips (only that number - rest Staying the same) and continue the progress and Keep on Spinning. This Will be repeaters with every number that hit. When a new number needs to be bet, we only put 1 chip on it. Next up, when a number hits again within 37 spins and we have 5 units on it and not at a new High, we then Move our number to it's final stage and raise it to 25 chips. The rest of the numbers stays the same ofcourse. And we continue. When our 25 bet number does hit again and your not at a new High (is possible) we then remove that number from our board, this to keep our bets at a normal level. But when it was hit again within the last 37 spins we put it Back up but only with 1 unit again. Everytime a number hits we look at our 37 spin cycle, not a returning number we remove that number. A returning number Will be raised according to the 1/5/25 progression. I know that we will need a big bankroll for this. Min 2000 units maybe More, but it has not yet busted in More then 60 sessions played. This because of the removal sequence we are aplying. Don't be scared to play a session where there are. Few 25 betting numbers in play, Just keep playing according to my (turbo's) rules and you Will Always win, or like Turbo said; as Long as there are repeaters and as Long you Keep in mind that 1s Will become 2s and 2s Will Always Will become 3s you Will never loose again.
Have fun by testing. If you Have any questions. Feel free to aks - Eddy
Hi Eddy
Great post, thanks for sharing.
I tried something similar to this before and like you had a good run of winning sessions. The problem I had was when numbers with 25chips on them don't hit again. I had sessions where you can get quite a few of them together that don't hit again and it brings down your bankroll.
I think there has to be a limit on the number of spins we play the numbers for to avoid when numbers go cold and limit those drawdowns.
Quote from: Anthony Cusamano on Feb 28, 09:24 AM 2018
Hi Eddy
Great post, thanks for sharing.
I tried something similar to this before and like you had a good run of winning sessions. The problem I had was when numbers with 25chips on them don't hit again. I had sessions where you can get quite a few of them together that don't hit again and it brings down your bankroll.
You're welcome,
Well then you don't aply my cacelation system. when played well you can't get that many 25s on board it just can't. a few, but not many. it doesn't matter how many spins go by, you will end in profit. when they start to hit 2 or 3 in a short period of time after not showing a time, they hit big time. just need the right bankroll. hope this helps. leet me know if you need more help.
I think there has to be a limit on the number of spins we play the numbers for to avoid when numbers go cold and limit those drawdowns.
Use ur 3000 unit to make another 3000 in every session. Not 30. Its a make ur br double scheme or 0.
Quote from: Madi on Feb 28, 12:48 PM 2018
Use ur 3000 unit to make another 3000 in every session. Not 30. Its a make ur br double scheme or 0.
You are kiddin' Right? Don't know how Long you mostly stay at a casino, but i mostly go home in a few hours, not inzending to sleep there :smile:
And further more, why risk so many units at one session? I don't get it. The change that you must your bankroll is much higher when playing that way, because to do so you need to raise your chips like Crazy.
So to condense things if I may, for your readers:
You're playing 1/5/25 units on 'all' 2/3/4's respectively, within 37/38 spins.
You always reset on a new high balance.
Your removal process isn't quite clear. What do you do with 2s and 3s and 4s if they start to drop out of your 'last' 37 spins without having hit and provided a new high balance?
Betting 'every' 2/3/4 will eventually land you with a 'lot' of bets on the table.
Every 37 spin count has approx 10 x 2s â€" 1-3 x 3s â€" 0-2 x 4s.
If you're covering them all and still not at a new high balance you will be 'relying' on 4's (25units) to bring you back to profit.
If you're also betting 'multiple' top level (25 units) for essentially 4's to become 5's from spin 37-74, thats also going to get costly. You are essentially relying on clusters of hi-level stakes to hit and bring you back to profit.
And as often as that does happen, when it doesn't your BR will have quite a dent.
The basic are there though. And a removal process makes sense.
U can get 1 chip higher and finish. Up to u. I m referring to wht TG does. Win loss ratio 1:1 . In real casino get 1000 unit make it double or more and finish the session.
Quote from: fossell on Feb 28, 01:02 PM 2018
So to condense things if I may, for your readers:
You're playing 1/5/25 units on 'all' 2/3/4's respectively, within 37/38 spins.
You always reset on a new high balance.
Your removal process isn't quite clear. What do you do with 2s and 3s and 4s if they start to drop out of your 'last' 37 spins without having hit and provided a new high balance?
Betting 'every' 2/3/4 will eventually land you with a 'lot' of bets on the table.
Every 37 spin count has approx 10 x 2s â€" 1-3 x 3s â€" 0-2 x 4s.
If you're covering them all and still not at a new high balance you will be 'relying' on 4's (25units) to bring you back to profit.
If you're also betting 'multiple' top level (25 units) for essentially 4's to become 5's from spin 37-74, thats also going to get costly. You are essentially relying on clusters of hi-level stakes to hit and bring you back to profit.
And as often as that does happen, when it doesn't your BR will have quite a dent.
The basic are there though. And a removal process makes sense.
I know what you Mean, and Yes you can Have many numbers at play, but not that many 25s because of the removal System. Because once a numbers hits, and it didn't repeats itself in the last 37 spins it will be remove. And once a 25s does hit it wil also be remove or brought Back to Life with 1 unit if it did repeaters it self in the last 25 spins. I had 9 25s once on board and had No trouble to come out possitive.
Just ask yourself this : which hotties make money ? The ones that hit fast. Not the ones with a 20 spin gap.
By selecting those you dont play that many #.
How Long to keep going on those # ? If they aint hitting fast enough ditch them coz they could go cold any time.
By doing this you only play the hotties that actually profit enough to push the br up.
Quote from: denzie on Feb 28, 01:30 PM 2018
Just ask yourself this : which hotties make money ? The ones that hit fast. Not the ones with a 20 spin gap.
By selecting those you dont play that many #.
How Long to keep going on those # ? If they aint hitting fast enough ditch them coz they could go cold any time.
By doing this you only play the hotties that actually profit enough to push the br up.
Thanks for the feedback, it makes indeed sense. Now only calculatie how we do that, once a repeater hits, how Long should we Keep it to Hope that it will hit again in a few spins. Well at least i'm on the Right track.
Maybe play only the repeaters that repeater themself in the last 18 spins, and Dutch them after No show in 18 spins, or something like that. And when they hit again in 18 spins, we raise the hitted one with the progression 1/5/25. Or i'm i wrong den?
Den
Have you looked at e-mail, bet every spin not lost yet, the part you got to get is which progression.
Bigmoney you've been given prog's of 1,5,25 think 1,2,4,8 and then theres the slow and easy 1,2,3,4,5 - if you get taken to 3 cycles which prog is likely to still be in the game.
A little while back i started going for hotties, told of wifey mucking up my game and blew 10000, got back up to 25000, and blew the lot using 1,5,25, 50, 100, 100 on just 4 hot #'s.
Now on MPR can not get any where with 1,5,25 even Turbo said he wont play there and said Steve knows why, but slow 1,2,3, ?; ?; ?; ?; ?; ? betting every spin can win, but its slow.
With to many crashes today i'm dumping MPR and going to R-Simulator which just dont crash. The crashes just cost as to try and relay the #'s being played was impossible.
So i need to drop the 1/5/25 progression?
Jek, Denzie et al
I'm sure Turbo stated somewhere that his method works flat-bet.
Yes he says an 'aggressive progression' wins more, but it is probably more volatile.
So if we test our ideas in flat-bet mode, if we are on the right track it should show profit.
And it would keep things simple for testing.
Could someone, (ideally Turbo) verify this?
Quote from: daveylibra on Feb 28, 02:51 PM 2018
Jek, Denzie et al
I'm sure Turbo stated somewhere that his method works flat-bet.
Yes he says an 'aggressive progression' wins more, but it is probably more volatile.
So if we test our ideas in flat-bet mode, if we are on the right track it should show profit.
And it would keep things simple for testing.
Could someone, (ideally Turbo) verify this?
Yes i know and i do play flat bet, only progression i use is when a number hits when in play. Every new repeater Comes in i play flat bet with 1u All the Time. But Yeah, 1/5/25 maybe isn't the way. Maybe a 1/2/4 or a 1/3/9 is saver.
QuoteTurbo said he wont play there and said Steve knows why,
i would love to know why...if Steve knows....Steve would you be so kind to let us stupid players know...tooo...or Turbo
thanks
I think that TURBO has for some time been playing a more mild progression
5or6 step 1-2-4-8-16-32
For me, the unknown is practically only how many spins to play our number.
We know that we choose those with small gaps.
Quote from: ozon on Feb 28, 03:54 PM 2018
I think that TURBO has for some time been playing a more mild progression
5or6 step 1-2-4-8-16-32
For me, the unknown is practically only how many spins to play our number.
We know that we choose those with small gaps.
I think this Will Always remain a mystery, because i think l that that's the key to this Holly grail method.
1. Wich progression to use.
2. How to use the progression.
3. Max Gap between repeating numbers. When to drop what to drop.
I think we need to figure that out ourselfs, because we are not getting that kind of informatie from Turbo or Steve. But that's Fine, i Have some 50+ years if i'm Lucky :smile:
Quote from: maestro on Feb 28, 03:49 PM 2018Turbo said he wont play there and said Steve knows why,
Yeah he said I would know, but actually I don't. I'm just assuming he's concerned I would steal his system because the software logs bets and wins... just like any casino does. I added the log to test for bugs and catch cheats. Reverse engineering a system from raw logs would be difficult. So anyway, now Turbo opts for proving his system on a website where his exact sessions are recorded and can be replayed as a video. That's better for keeping system system secret ::)
It has been said before. Turbo had a serious account and test account. He explained this to me when he created two accounts. Both accounts ended up with win/loss ratios as expected.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 28, 02:37 PM 2018With to many crashes today i'm dumping MPR and going to R-Simulator which just dont crash. The crashes just cost as to try and relay the #'s being played was impossible.
No surprise considering your low win rate. You've been told your connection lag is not a crash. You ignore it. You need an excuse for the win rate. But nevermind, like i said, everyone seems to do well on roulette-simulator, just like real casinos.
This thread is running as hell without an end.
You still waiting for the HG and turbo keeping it under his pillow.
I suggest to ban him unless he shares!
I AM JOKING !
:xd:
Quote from: Steve on Feb 28, 04:53 PM 2018
Yeah he said I would know, but actually I don't. I'm just assuming he's concerned I would steal his system because the software logs bets and wins... just like any casino does. I added the log to test for bugs and catch cheats. Reverse engineering a system from raw logs would be difficult. So anyway, now Turbo opts for proving his system on a website where his exact sessions are recorded and can be replayed as a video. That's better for keeping system system secret ::)
It has been said before. Turbo had a serious account and test account. He explained this to me when he created two accounts. Both accounts ended up with win/loss ratios as expected.
No surprise considering your low win rate. You've been told your connection lag is not a crash. You ignore it. You need an excuse for the win rate. But nevermind, like i said, everyone seems to do well on roulette-simulator, just like real casinos.
Still keeping the ol' dog and pony show running till who knows...
My thoughts were Always that this Forum and others too, were there to share systems, thoughts and methods with eachother, not helping them in the wrong directionele or giving clues, but in reality not giving any. I don't Have to have the HG, i Love develping systems and try to make the best i can to enjoy roulette more. I don't See what it is wrong with giving the right progression to use or how many spin Gap we should Max use. This isn't opening the HG to anyone, Just Point them in the Right direction. This thread is getting really Long, not my intention in the First place. I Have shared my System and the only thing i heard was what i am doin' wrong. I use a to heavy progression, i use a to big spin Gap etc, but No one is telling me i should be doin' wich progression is the best for this System and what spin gap we must use. Oh well.
Anyone who finds the truth inconvenient keeps looking.
People often don't understand, or want to try to understand what works, what doesn't work, and why. It is easier to call people "naysayers" with an "agenda", without understanding what is being said.
Only people with the right attitude try to understand. The smarter ones eventually understand. Of those, only a few have what it takes for serious advantage play. It's not for everyone. I think of about 20 players who say they are serious, about 1 of them actually have what it takes.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 12:17 AM 2018
Anyone who finds the truth inconvenient keeps looking.
People often don't understand, or want to try to understand what works, what doesn't work, and why. It is easier to call people "naysayers" with an "agenda", without understanding what is being said.
Only people with the right attitude try to understand. The smarter ones eventually understand. Of those, only a few have what it takes for serious advantage play. It's not for everyone. I think of about 20 players who say they are serious, about 1 of them actually have what it takes.
Well Steve, i'm willing to learn and i Have what it takes, but when you like me Have spend the last 12 years understanding what it is the best method to play repeaters and still don't understand what i'm doin' wrong it is not because i criticise the naysayers, i don't like members that come ito the descusion that giving clues of nothing. One Time they say we should use a spin Gap of 37 spins, another Time it was better to use a 5 spin Gap and the progression is to harsh etc, but not saying or helping to improve everyone's understanding of what they actualy doin' wrong. I respect when someone has a HG and don't want to share it, i really do. But at least put them in the Right direction. This is turning out a Forum of Yes and know, No not that progression, No too many spins between A repeater, now only play the hottest, etc etc etc, but they only leave you in the dark. When i om someone and ask if they Have the Time to help me a little further or telling me what should do and must not, i never got a reply.
The same Goes for everyone whobis calling a fool for playing RNG! Why because they Have lot there so should everyone else. I don't get it, i i say that i never ever had any problematiek playing RNG at my casino then i don't understand what i'm doin' wrong then?
When I say something wont work, i explain exactly why. I got so sick of repeating the explanations I created pages explaining it, so I can refer to them later.
But let me break down the whole repeaters thing....
Numbers repeat. Its normal statistics. It is less likely for 37 unique numbers to show in 37 spins than it is for some numbers to repeat in 37 spins. This does NOT AT ALL help to know which numbers are more likely to spin anytime soon. This means you haven't increased the accuracy of predictions to better than 1 in 35. You are still at 1 in 37. But the payout is still 35-1. So you haven't really changed anything by following repeaters. You've just found a fancy bet selection that wastes your time and changes nothing.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 01, 12:34 AM 2018The same Goes for everyone whobis calling a fool for playing RNG! Why because they Have lot there so should everyone else. I don't get it
No, it's not about opinion or personal preference. The truth is not different for everyone. 1 + 1 = 2 for everyone.
The problem with RNG is it is completely unpredictable, unless it is flawed (as low quality RNG often is). So you cant change the accuracy of predictions (the odds).
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 12:36 AM 2018
No, it's not about opinion or personal preference. The truth is not different for everyone. 1 + 1 = 2 for everyone.
The problem with RNG is it is completely unpredictable, unless it is flawed (as low quality RNG often is). So you cant change the accuracy of predictions (the odds).
U understand, but as Long as i get good winning out of there playing their RNG and they pay me, why should i not play there. Only saying.
If you are winning, keep doing it. All we are saying is you are likely to lose your winnings and more, because you would not be beating the game. your winnings would be short term luck.
Nobody cares if you win or lose money. It's your money. Good if you win, and bad luck if you lose.
The arguments about RNG are whether or not you can beat it from skill/knowledge, rather than plain luck.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 12:50 AM 2018
If you are winning, keep doing it. All we are saying is you are likely to lose your winnings and more, because you would not be beating the game. your winnings would be short term luck.
Nobody cares if you win or lose money. It's your money. Good if you win, and bad luck if you lose.
The arguments about RNG are whether or not you can beat it from skill/knowledge, rather than plain luck.
Understand. But i'm with their money for a Long Time now not Mine anymore. So when it does happen it don't care anymore. I once starters with 20 euro there and Made it up to over 5000 winnings in the past few years, so now Harm done their.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 01, 12:53 AM 2018
Understand. But i'm with their money for a Long Time now not Mine anymore. So when it does happen it don't care anymore. I once starters with 20 euro there and Made it up to over 5000 winnings in the past few years, so now Harm done their.
So whats wrong. Keep playing wht u r playing and earn more. Wht actually motivates u to come to forum in search?
Quote from: Madi on Mar 01, 01:04 AM 2018
So whats wrong. Keep playing wht u r playing and earn more. Wht actually motivates u to come to forum in search?
Because i Love repeaters and would like to be better in playing them. What i usualy play takes alot of Time for little profit.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 12:34 AM 2018
When I say something wont work, i explain exactly why. I got so sick of repeating the explanations I created pages explaining it, so I can refer to them later.
What actually taking him steadily 0 to 400k. Can u give us a system which can take us there in that rigged site?
Sure repeaters can be fun to play. But once you understand why they are no different to other numbers, you realize you've been deluded. For myself, once I understand I was deluded, I cant go back there. Give me the facts whether i like them or not, as long as its the truth.
I just created this: link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/gamblers-understanding-vs-reality/
QuoteWhat actually taking him steadily 0 to 400k. Can u give us a system which can take us there in that rigged site?
I got to $300k with random bets. Someone else got to $600k. Even Bago is ranking up there apparently. With enough tries, you can even get to $1m. Whether you do that quickly or slowly does not matter. Statistically it will happen sometimes. But one thing I find particularly telling is how many people are making a fortune with roulette-simulator. But those same people tank on MPR where the spins are from real wheels. Is it really hard to understand?
Some practical information for u:
A number can completely run with big gap and touch finish line showing thumb down to player.
A number can run till 4s or 5s with big gap and then become narrow.
A big gap and small gap both are part of string of hot number
Author said 15 25 . I agree.
This system earn unit 2000 with a br 2000. Not kidding. At least close to 2000. Not 200. Otherwise it will affect win loss ratio.
Try to do what tg is doing. Modification may bring u down. If he use 25 then its for very specific purpose. Not without reason.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 01, 01:27 AM 2018
Some practical information for u:
A number can completely run with big gap and touch finish line showing thumb down to player.
A number can run till 4s or 5s with big gap and then become narrow.
A big gap and small gap both are part of string of hot number
Author said 15 25 . I agree.
This system earn unit 2000 with a br 2000. Not kidding. At least close to 2000. Not 200. Otherwise it will affect win loss ratio.
Try to do what tg is doing. Modification may bring u down. If he use 25 then its for very specific purpose. Not without reason.
I don't think i'm doin' something wrong regarding the spin Gap, that i'm using. I now use a 37 spin Gap and only bet repeaters that show More then they should in 37 spins, nothing wrong with that, only problem i'm facing is too many numbers can come into play. But reduxing the spin Gap, can also be a negative thing, because we Miss some great hits. What is the ideal spin Gap for repeaters anyway? I think as Long as you play them when they show More then they should it's ok. Now only to hold control on the Max numbers played, that is the tough part.
Maybe a good idea i was Just thinking about is once we play a repeater that has showed twice in the past 37 spins, we Max play that number for 37 spins. When we don't get another hit on that number in the next 37 spins, we drop it from our list. Just a thought. Any Help is appreciated.
Thats a typical answer steve. 600k is not the issue. Issue is he is doing it step by step winning almost exact amount every session. Where there is no loss.lets do it with our system that way. Can we?
Ignore that site is rigged. Give us a system or any random number that can go that steadily.
MPR is not up to that standard. It might have real spin but other things are not convenient. 30 sec is too much time to test. There is no personal play window where we can do quick.
Anyway thanks for that as u giving that free to play for us. We people want everything good in free . Should not be
3-4 number max. Dont modify. If u cant win u got problem in selection
Mpr is multiplayer with chat. Thats what was requested. Rs is a different thing. We could easily do the same thing like have offline version. But then it could easily be cheated. Thats why real casinos dont do it.
Also madi read what i said about slow vs fast winning. But again i think in this case the rng is bad or the game is designed with player edge. Why arent the same players doing so great on mpr?
Cant be convinced steve. I lose there regularly . Going up but with loss. Rs not that bad. I didnt get any player there going that high without a loss. Moreover he is doing it by declaring that he is going to the top.
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Steve played exactly as a game can
10/10 so spin 39/40 should or could see 25 of the starting37 have hit.
Spin 60 usually get 30 non-hits, here 31
Played for repeats and non-hit, after 26th came at spin 43, remaining non-hit average to hit in 4 spins thats why no bets placed after spin 43, but profit made.
Oh yeah i plucked the bets from the sky :thumbsup:
Every piece of the game is there for you to pick over.
Notto you are talking very short term data. Its meaningless.
No steve who sits there for a 1000 spins every day.
You can sit in the casino with the paper tracker, unlike your covert game play.
Using countback will aid in decision making.
I made a mistake on marking at spin 41, but after 27th non-hit at spin43 the average to hit from 26th non-hit is 4 spins, i have good date for there max spins as well.
GUT students will see fast game 8;+3 in spins 11-20
spins 21-30 slowing down, as should 5 each
spins 31-40 slowed right down but countback shows the game
Turbo players you can see from the R's how many be in play and where the big 25 would pay
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Its meaningless. your words, Its meaningless to you, you mean you steve
QuoteNo steve who sits there for a 1000 spins every day
100 players each playing 10 spins.
Is it different to 1 player playing 1000 spins? No.
Does the casino care which it is? No. It makes no difference. You not playing 1000 spins changes reality, right?
Look at the bigger picture.
Notto reality isnt meaningless. You're just not understanding and taking this personally
No steve if you read PRIYANKA's checkpoints Mortagons spins for today played just like R-simulator
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10/10 so could see 25 and at checkpoint 31-40 theres the 25, and at spin 60 theres the usual 30.
And see +66 the required win set for KTF is met.
QuoteDoes the casino care which it is? No. It makes no difference. You not playing 1000 spins changes reality, right?
Look at the bigger picture.
yes but yes but if i play at the casino at table number 1 and number 10 comes at table number 2 i do not lose because of the fact that some forum owner just joins spins ...do i :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Steve if you can't see the game in green, heres the picture of the game.
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Turbo students where is R3, jekhb76, he smart student, he learnt take 1st profit.
More short term data?
I suggest just go break the casino. You have the hg.
Thanks
can i sell it on here
We are getting of topic here (again) and why can't we All be Nice to eachother, we are here to help eachother, not to show who is or knows better. This thread has reached page 83 and we are still not An inch further i'm our search.
Ok this is what i thought, maybe Just put a Max on the numbers we bet on. Say 5 numbers is the Most we will be betting on. Now we have to determine wich hitties to play and bet and wich not. And after how many spins we need to drop a number from our board. This way we stay in control of our bankroll and the Max numbers Will never go out of hand. Just thinking out loud. Maybe we need to Let the 2s go by and only bet the numbers that Have gone to 3s in their 37 spin cycle and once they won't show again in the next cycle we drop that number from our board and continue with the rest and repeat. If a number does show for the 3rd Time in 37 spins we can asume that it is a real hottie hottie or i'm totaly wrong here and do i look in the wrong direction.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 03:32 AM 2018
More short term data?
I suggest just go break the casino. You have the hg.
meaningless short data.
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Ok Steve i'll leave it at that, have a good day.
QuoteRs is a different thing
how is different in terms of spins it gives..if 500 players play at the casino on even chances then you would expect to see say 300(to be exact 292 of them will bust)rest will be running down or in profit...this is why you see so many winners at roulette simulator :ooh: :ooh:
Quote from: Steve on Feb 28, 04:53 PM 2018
Yeah he said I would know, but actually I don't. I'm just assuming he's concerned I would steal his system because the software logs bets and wins... just like any casino does. I added the log to test for bugs and catch cheats. Reverse engineering a system from raw logs would be difficult. So anyway, now Turbo opts for proving his system on a website where his exact sessions are recorded and can be replayed as a video. That's better for keeping system system secret ::)
It has been said before. Turbo had a serious account and test account. He explained this to me when he created two accounts. Both accounts ended up with win/loss ratios as expected.
No surprise considering your low win rate. You've been told your connection lag is not a crash. You ignore it. You need an excuse for the win rate. But nevermind, like i said, everyone seems to do well on roulette-simulator, just like real casinos.
You can set your account to private...
Is this Turbo... or maybe it`s me... :twisted:
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Hey guys
I've just discovered this Roulette Xtreme website, that I believe some of you use to test ideas.
Notice there is a method called Holy Grail? The method is described there.
It's flat-bet. It's repeaters. Has anyone tested this much?
Just a thought.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 12:36 AM 2018The problem with RNG is it is completely unpredictable
Steve! Good day!
Your statement above is undebatable.
May i ask you why you call members to play on your MPR, which is not different then a RNG?
MPR uses a database of real spins my players upload to my wheel analysis server. Its not rng.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 01, 05:01 AM 2018
meaningless short data.
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Ok Steve i'll leave it at that, have a good day.
How many spins and wagers? Days are irrelevant
Quote from: maestro on Mar 01, 05:12 AM 2018
how is different in terms of spins it gives..if 500 players play at the casino on even chances then you would expect to see say 300(to be exact 292 of them will bust)rest will be running down or in profit...this is why you see so many winners at roulette simulator :ooh: :ooh:
That's not exactly how the house edge works. Anyway leave it at everyone seems to do do great at rs. Not so at mpr. I wonder why.
Steve on data of a 1000 days its still 15 non-hit in spins 11-40 and at spin 60 its 30 non-hits.
If we collected a 1000 games of MPR it would still be 15 and 30, thats what the bookies run at as well.
But you carry on i'll work on spins 11-40 knowing that the 15 non-hit and 15 repeats will be revealing themselves by using countback as the spins go by. You go with your camera, good luck.
Notto you didnt answer the question of how many spins and wagers.
And if you tested propeely youd find the odds of the next spin have changed no matter what repeaters you see. Its still 1 in 37, so what has your bet selection changed?
You dont have to believe me. Just test propery yourself. I even published free software so you can see for yourself.
Why not do proper testing and see?
Or is low volime testing better proof than high volume?
If you say youll never play high volume spins anyway, then you dont understand the bigger picture.
Im just trying to help.
I'll stumble on by my self thanks.
The short term works fine,you carry on with the big picture
For the past 10 hours+ i've recalcualting and trying every spin Gap there is. Every progression and every bet selection. It Just doesn't Make any sense. Played and looked over More then 10.000 spins from Random.org. i Just can't figure it out, what and how to to play repeaters in a way that at the End we wil Always be in profit. Either way turbo is Just making things up or i'm that stupid. I personaly think neither is true.there must be something i over looked but after working om repeaters for the last couple of months, i think i Will never find the awnser. 1s -) 2s -) 3s -) 4s etc. It Just doesn't Make Nany sense. For now i stop with this repeaters thing, maybe someday i Will retun to it, but my head has so much informatie now that it is hitting and that's not a good signal.
you have done a fantastic job in all your trials..........turbo has demonstrated what no one else on this forum has done ....be it simulator or not no one has done the results he has......keep at it .....its there ......it has to be......just keepontryin
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 01, 05:46 PM 2018
you have done a fantastic job in all your trials..........turbo has demonstrated what no one else on this forum has done ....be it simulator or not no one has done the results he has......keep at it .....its there ......it has to be......just keepontryin
I Will be returning, but i need to take a Break from it now, because my personal Life is taking it's toll because of repeaters and my Health isn't betting any better with it also. When i get up in the morning it's repeaters.... When i go to bed it hasn't changes. Not healthy.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 04:36 PM 2018
MPR uses a database of real spins my players upload to my wheel analysis server. Its not rng.
oK, what about roulette simulator? is it RNG based?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 01, 05:32 PM 2018
For the past 10 hours+ i've recalcualting and trying every spin Gap there is. Every progression and every bet selection. It Just doesn't Make any sense. Played and looked over More then 10.000 spins from Random.org. i Just can't figure it out, what and how to to play repeaters in a way that at the End we wil Always be in profit. Either way turbo is Just making things up or i'm that stupid. I personaly think neither is true.there must be something i over looked but after working om repeaters for the last couple of months, i think i Will never find the awnser. 1s -) 2s -) 3s -) 4s etc. It Just doesn't Make Nany sense. For now i stop with this repeaters thing, maybe someday i Will retun to it, but my head has so much informatie now that it is hitting and that's not a good signal.
jekhb76 i asked some pages back what does the record sheet members use in a B+M look like. If you post your sheet, members might be able to help as your's might be complicated, the sheet needs to be plain and simple.
Remember i'm a short spins player not high volume like Steve, so the sheet i use will have room for 3 or 4 games on a piece of A4 paper that the B+M dont care that i have with me.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 01, 05:26 PM 2018The short term works fine,you carry on with the big picture
100 players walk into a casino with "short term winning systems". 95% of them win a combined $100,000. 5% of them lose a combined $102,000.
The 95% don't care about long term. All they care about is they profited for the day. Short term works fine for them. They post on forums how they have the HG.
The 5% are back to the drawing board.
The casino doesn't give a f*** who won or lost, just as long as more suckers keep coming in with their "short term winning systems". The occasional winners are important to casinos, so they can convince everyone else the HG exists.
Dont get me wrong. Maybe the HG does exist. It probably does. But it isnt repeaters, cold numbers blah blah. That crap is very well tested. And anyone who properly tested would know what is a waste of time.
@Jekhb,
Thanks for all your effort and enthusiasm. If you still have the stomach for it, take a look at the following.
link:s://betselection.cc/math-statistics/march-of-the-next-in-line/ (never even got a reply :o)
Check out the attachments if you don't understand. It's something to have a play around with and have a think about IMO if you like repeaters.
cheers
STEP 1: Understand "odds" are "how often you win".
STEP 2: Understand "payout" is "how much you are paid".
STEP 3: Understand if the "payout" is lower than the "odds", you are going to lose money eventually. So you need to improve your "odds".
STEP 4: Determine what approaches might change the "odds", and test thoroughly. Understand anything can happen in short term tests. Short term is meaningless. If with your bet selection method, the odds are still no different, repeat this step.
So...... how many people here have actually tested to see if repeaters change the odds?
If you haven't tested your "working principle" to "change the odds", how do you know you aren't deluding yourself?
It doesn't matter how fantastic and elaborate your method of bet selection seems. If your odds haven't changed, you changed nothing. You are still stuck with lower payouts than the odds.
QuoteThat's not exactly how the house edge works. Anyway leave it at everyone seems to do do great at rs. Not so at mpr. I wonder why.
i do not think so...you better refresh your math
Actually no maestro, the house edge is not exactly based on the amount of players. Maybe you should refresh your math.
hahhaaaha...i will do so...thanks :xd: :xd:
Quote from: wiggy on Mar 01, 07:26 PM 2018
@Jekhb,
Thanks for all your effort and enthusiasm. If you still have the stomach for it, take a look at the following.
link:s://betselection.cc/math-statistics/march-of-the-next-in-line/ (never even got a reply :o)
Check out the attachments if you don't understand. It's something to have a play around with and have a think about IMO if you like repeaters.
cheers
Thanks, i saw a list something that also a few years Back, but indeed never understood how to handle it. But Will Have a look again, thnx again.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 06:36 PM 2018
100 players walk into a casino with "short term winning systems". 95% of them win a combined $100,000. 5% of them lose a combined $102,000.
The 95% don't care about long term. All they care about is they profited for the day. Short term works fine for them. They post on forums how they have the HG.
The 5% are back to the drawing board.
The casino doesn't give a f*** who won or lost, just as long as more suckers keep coming in with their "short term winning systems". The occasional winners are important to casinos, so they can convince everyone else the HG exists.
Dont get me wrong. Maybe the HG does exist. It probably does. But it isnt repeaters, cold numbers blah blah. That crap is very well tested. And anyone who properly tested would know what is a waste of time.
Good morning,
Many years ago, around 2010 i got facinated by Turbo Genius and the way he was thinking. From that day on, i Always tried to Hunt down the Law of the third regarding repeaters, and never stray from the fact that the solution is lying in repeaters. I think i must have Read this posts om various forums over and over again, to try to understand what he was trying to teach. But somehow i Always got stuck and even om to him never got awnsered. Not that i was asking for him to open hg, but to teach me what i was doin' wrong, to this day i'm still waiting for his reply. I think in the past few years, i Have studies every single aproach there is to benifit from repeaters, but never succeded, only left with clues, nothing More. I never understood why he wasn't More open in what he does, Without revailing his secret. Look at the pattern bteaker thread, People are helpng eachother and explaining the way they are playing, Turbo never did, only clues .they All think that it would Harm the roulette world if Have the HG, i don't think so because of the fact, that even if you did Have it, you need to play it by the book for it to be succesful , but you need discipline. Patience and a good money management to succes everytime again. It's a fact that if 100 players got the same hg, only a few would Have succes in playing it , because the rest Will fail die to greed, wrong money management and No patience. The casino would still win over those Who never succeded then the few that do. So i was Always in believe that it won't do Amy Harm if People would reach out and explaining what they are doin' but some would like to keep it to themself or some would Love to feel important in a Forum because of the way they represent themself. Turbo is one of them. He makes himself important because everyone includingyself think he has got the hg, but never given proof of the way he is playing, only charts. Lucky there are a few Who do explaining how they play and some systems work and some don't in the End, but atleast they share.
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 01, 05:46 PM 2018
you have done a fantastic job in all your trials..........turbo has demonstrated what no one else on this forum has done ....be it simulator or not no one has done the results he has......keep at it .....its there ......it has to be......just keepontryin
But No one is understanding what he does or how he does it, they are only words and charts. I can do that also, and Make myself important, but why!
Quote from: wiggy on Mar 01, 07:26 PM 2018
@Jekhb,
Thanks for all your effort and enthusiasm. If you still have the stomach for it, take a look at the following.
link:s://betselection.cc/math-statistics/march-of-the-next-in-line/ (never even got a reply :o)
Check out the attachments if you don't understand. It's something to have a play around with and have a think about IMO if you like repeaters.
cheers
An Old man in the casino once told me that it is better to only play 3s to become 4s nothing More, nothing less, got me thinking last night, what if he was Right, and we are doin' it wrong All the Time. Mmm
Quote from: Steve on Mar 01, 06:36 PM 2018
100 players walk into a casino with "short term winning systems". 95% of them win a combined $100,000. 5% of them lose a combined $102,000.
The 95% don't care about long term. All they care about is they profited for the day. Short term works fine for them. They post on forums how they have the HG.
The 5% are back to the drawing board.
The casino doesn't give a f*** who won or lost, just as long as more suckers keep coming in with their "short term winning systems". The occasional winners are important to casinos, so they can convince everyone else the HG exists.
Dont get me wrong. Maybe the HG does exist. It probably does. But it isnt repeaters, cold numbers blah blah. That crap is very well tested. And anyone who properly tested would know what is a waste of time.
So in other words; Turbo was lying All this time and he does 't Have a hG repeater System? But why would he Talk about it like that for More then 8 years, i don't understand. So it's Exit for repeaters, and we ha e to look at other approces.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 01, 06:09 PM 2018
jekhb76 i asked some pages back what does the record sheet members use in a B+M look like. If you post your sheet, members might be able to help as your's might be complicated, the sheet needs to be plain and simple.
Remember i'm a short spins player not high volume like Steve, so the sheet i use will have room for 3 or 4 games on a piece of A4 paper that the B+M dont care that i have with me.
I don't use a BM sheet, Just taking notes on the numbers to play repeaters, that's All.
Good day Steve, i don't post saying i have an HG for the short term.
As said i only play short term and then move to another wheel in B+M or another bookmakers and use the RNG, which for me is about 99% of the time. To far to travel to B+M.
So why am i not bothered about the long game that you keep spouting on about.
Look at Luck of the Irish, he posted about the LOTT, 18'500'000 spins and the average is 24. Winkel the same shows long run 24,
Now mort's data short game, average for spins 11-40 is 15 non-hit so the average for those repeaters is, yes 15.
If i only play for 60 spins i need to know what goes on. The above is what goes on. 60 spins, oh yes 1 spin at a time, which produce the average of 15 and at spin 60 bookies 30 and mort 29.
We all know about unfair payout and all the other crap you spout.
Thank you
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 02, 02:09 AM 2018
I don't use a BM sheet, Just taking notes on the numbers to play repeaters, that's All.
Well, i know Turbo reckons he'll be able to do it just by memory, that i don't believe.
Wiggy's pic's not helpfull to me, as it shows on excel sheet the run, but you are not really seeing when a number is getting hot, how many spins went by for it to become hot, so you need a cancellation method.
Here is a basic plain sheet you could use at the B+M, management wont care, as at Aspers casino by the west ham ground he looked at it and scoffed and left me alone.
On it are 4 games 1 at the MPR(RNG), live spins? the next 3 are R-simulator.
I'll leave it for you to work out the cancellation, i use just 4#'s
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 02, 04:05 AM 2018
Well, i know Turbo reckons he'll be able to do it just by memory, that i don't believe.
Wiggy's pic's not helpfull to me, as it shows on excel sheet the run, but you are not really seeing when a number is getting hot, how many spins went by for it to become hot, so you need a cancellation method.
Here is a basic plain sheet you could use at the B+M, management wont care, as at Aspers casino by the west ham ground he looked at it and scoffed and left me alone.
On it are 4 games 1 at the MPR(RNG), live spins? the next 3 are R-simulator.
I'll leave it for you to work out the cancellation, i use just 4#'s
i'm with you on this one because i too don't believe you can play a repeater System Without taking notes. I di use a cancelation System when i play. I only play sessions of 37 spin cycles. And when i want to bet on a number, it has to be a repeater that has hit above average, so in the last 37 spins. I takes notes of All the numbers that has spun until i Have 37 spins on paper, then everytime a new number Comes in i Cross out the First and add it to the last. This way i Always stay within a 37 spin cycle and it's the only thing i need to track to See i a hit number has fallen for the 2nd Time in those past 37 spins. If it repeat and it was not in the last 37 spins i drop that number and continue with the rest. This is easy peachy for Keep track of things. But i found out that a 37 or a 18 spin Gap between repeaters is stl to big, because it S produces too many 2s. But a too Small spin Gap doesn't work eithet, because you are Missing too many hits. and if i use the wrong progression it is also Goodbye bankroll. So there is my problem that i Have for years now. What is the best spin Gap and how many spins a number stays in play before it must be deleted. And what is the best progression for this . If i can figure this out ibwill be a lot further then i Have now, so if anyone would like to really asist it would be much appreciated, because now i'm still stuck and i Have been for the last few years. So Denzie, Steve and All others please play a session how you would play. No Harm done.
QuoteWe all know about unfair payout and all the other crap you spout.
Clearly you dont know. Thats why you're stuck on repeaters.
You know the more spins you see, the closer you get to balance between red and black. Predictable, or useless information? Actually both. But it still can't be used to change the odds. You still dont understand which is why you talk about 24 and repeaters.
Again im trying to help. One day you'll probably see it and feel foolish. I was there too.
Well, I guess the most important part of this "strategy" is to early drop bets which are getting cold. Guess its hard to define what "early" means, as for the purpose were looking for 37spin squads. For example my last game today:
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/game/82490e782d7e31a8c2f6888d8a34973d
At round 95 I dropped #7 and #31 as #11 came the 7th time... 5 and 7 spins later (round 100 and 102) #7 popped up again, so I bet on #7 again from round 100 and won 2 spins later, BUT the fact is, if had let #7 in game from round 95 that would have given profit. ALSO i dropped #11 after #7 came 8th time round 102. You can see that #11 popped up twice at the end. Do the math ;)
Have to be fair, I played that game "wrong" but came up with profit. Guess (have to try) I have to stick to my numbers (max 4) in one 37 cycle as long as my gap between em is not more then 1 repeat.
If I HAD played like mantioned, I would have came out with +477 units at round 108, +715 units at round 109 ( which I surely not have played to be honest).
Cheers
Quote from: Steve on Mar 02, 04:56 AM 2018Thats why you're stuck on repeaters.
Steve i'm not stuck on repeaters, i have fuck all to do, as i am under attack by my own immune system, 7 months and still nothing is working.
So as turbo is the in thing on here i thought i'd give it a go.
If i could get out i'd just watch the spins and you'll like this, guess when to bet (the trot)
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 02, 04:05 AM 2018
Wiggy's pic's not helpfull to me, as it shows on excel sheet the run, but you are not really seeing when a number is getting hot, how many spins went by for it to become hot, so you need a cancellation method.
Notto, I just put the X's in to help with the explanation from number 6. Of course, you can put the spin number in which is probably more helpful when tracking.
cheers
Steve todays spins from Mort
8+15=23 well knock me down with a feather, at spin 40 we have 23 non-hits and spin 60 its 28 where the average is 29.
Short game forget all the million spins
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the average for the 1st 19 non-hit is 2 spins, you couldn't win on these spins :lol:
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Betting the remaing 12, means 25 have come from starting 37, upto the 26th non-hit there average to hit is 3 spins. i have a max these 12 could take.
So if you wait the 1st 3 spins, in the bookies max bet 100 i could still win with these spins, oh yeah its guess work
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To repeater fans :
We are not morons and trying to topple your genius work from breaking the casino...
Go for it !
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/02/temp_634751.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GXQCF)what the topic is about, you bet #4 its hot, you add 11 to the bet because he's hot, add 36, 3#'s being bet, add 17, now thats the max you want, well that is the max to me. Now 22 is hot,so you drop #4, next spin win. So up goes #22 to what ever prog you lot use. numbers 22,17,36 and 11 are the 4 to bet, win #17. Up the unit to 17, Same 4 #'s are being bet. #4 comes, but we dropped him, so now you bring #4 back, but i would increase to the same units as #'s 17,22, drop #11 he's furthest back and going cold. #'s being bet 4,17,22,36. Shit just dropped it, but dont turbo say you'll mis some. So we have to bring #11 back, up its unit to same as 4,17,22. win next spin with #4
Why dont you just run millions of tests to see of your bet selection changes the odds?
If anyone understands why changing odds is essential, isn't proper testing of bet selection accuracy the obvious thing to do?
@steve
If you run tests over 100k spins for a particular EC bet and come up with 50k hits versus 50k misses, will you consider this bet selection successful ?
Steve i have increased accuracy, i know any particular non-hits average to hit and max spins to come in. Steve its based on umpteen games, that grows daily.
15 non-hits average in spins 11-40 has never changed in months and months and months, the average to hit has stayed the same for months and months and months, the only part that changes is the max spin. But in the bookies where i have years of games, these max spin to hit has slowed right down to the point where i wonder if they'll ever change, but i do know that one day any max can change, and that change is noted.
Steve how will i test betting non-hit when no 2 games are the same when watching the trot. I dont just stumble into a bet, you need to be accurate when going to bet and thats gained from sound data that gives knowledge.
Here are the first 74 spins from table 3 at Wiesbaden yesterday. You can see how the chart is top-heavy with the earlier numbers performing well as repeaters. It pays to also be flexible enough to see that '3' hitting back to back on spins 70 and 71 and then hitting again on spin 73. Tracking like this acts as a good framework similar to all Notto's work as well. If you go down the road of saying ''I have to back all the repeaters with the closest gap'' etc... Well what about the fact that the earlier numbers have a propensity to triple up and quadruple before the later ones. Don't set hard and fast rules....look what's happening. (read the trot ;D)
cheers
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 02, 05:27 AM 2018
the average for the 1st 19 non-hit is 2 spins, you couldn't win on these spins :lol:
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Just thinking out loud here!
Turbo is Always saying that 1s Will become 2s and 2s Will become 3s etc and that 3s cannot be without 2s and 2s cannon be Without becoming 1s First! And he is Right ofcourse. I was Just under shower (Yeah i know, but good things are Always comin' when i'm in the shower or on the toilet :xd:)
It got me thinking: what if we are looking at the wrong numbers? And by that i Mean, we are Most of the Time looking at Hot numbers, or even cold ones Right? Well what if we focus ourselfs o. Only the numbers that Have shown only on average! What is expected to happen; that a number is hitting at least once during a 37 spin cycle. If it does that it is an average number. Not showing at all is a cold number and ofcourse whe. It is hitting for then once it is a Hot number! You All follow me Right? :wink: what if we track 37 spins (Without betting) and take Note of every number that has hit and how many Times it has. Then after 37 spins we have (turbo's Time machine) remember? We know that Turbo doesn't bet the cold ones (numbers that Have not come up) well that is normal, because they can Sleep for a Long Time or come out later then 37 spins, we don't know. Well for the heck of it, they could hit in theorie 37 spins Right after eachother 37/37 then it's Goodbye bankroll. So we leave them alone (for now). In the next 37 spins we Make use of turbo's Time machine and the fact that 1s need to become 2s....See where i am goin' with this? From spin 38-74 we are only betting All the numbers that Have only shown once! In the above sequence we need to to bet a Total of 15 numbers with 1u on them for the next cycle of spins 38-74, flatbet only!!!!!!
Either we stop as soon as we have a hit and are in profit or continue and Make the cycle compleet All the way up to spin 74! Let's do that for this example.
We are now at spin 74 in the above sequence and we now See that we have 17 hits and 20 spins were lost!
To calculatie we have 17*36 units won for a Total of 612 units. We were betting on 15 numbers each spin and we lost 20 spins, 20*15 units for a Total of 300 units. That's 612u-300u Make a profit of 312 units!!!! We can stop now, as i would or continue to the next cycle 74-111 and look how many numbers Have become 2s and how many numbers had 1 hits up till now, we then put these numbers togeter with 2 units on the numbers that Have become 2s and 1 unit on the numbers Who Have become 1s and spin flatbet through the next cycle 74-111 and See how many numbers go to 2s and how many numbers become 3s. We stop at a new High or continue.... What are you thoughts on this approach? Well it's not how Turbo is playing i guess, but like i said, i'm Just thinking out loud to you guys. Talk to you All later - Eddy
Hi all
Another thought I had on this elusive Holy Grail.
When Turbo says if we play each number only when it hits, and continue with it, with 1 unit, we reduce house edge to 0, I think this is what we should focus on. After all, thats a good start, isn't it?!
What would a profit/loss graph of this look like? Would it oscillate around 0?
If so, would it be valid to say we can just stop when we are above 0, and reset on another wheel/next day or whatever?
Or would playing like this, due to laws of probability, be the same as one continuous session?
Would love your input on these questions, guys, as I think they are important in our quest!
Quote from: daveylibra on Mar 02, 10:46 AM 2018
Hi all
Another thought I had on this elusive Holy Grail.
When Turbo says if we play each number only when it hits, and continue with it, with 1 unit, we reduce house edge to 0, I think this is what we should focus on. After all, thats a good start, isn't it?!
What would a profit/loss graph of this look like? Would it oscillate around 0?
If so, would it be valid to say we can just stop when we are above 0, and reset on another wheel/next day or whatever?
Or would playing like this, due to laws of probability, be the same as one continuous session?
Would love your input on these questions, guys, as I think they are important in our quest!
What ???
Give evidecne to that or stop spreading fallacies and wishes
House edge is there and will stay unless casino use tables without 0.
What you looking for is increase odds and that's possible only by increasing accuracy of ur bets
Is the stumbling block the progression?
If table limit for singles is 100 like MPR, is 1,5,25 then 125, so be 100 to aggressive?
I've had just 4#'s at 100 and lost as when they hit i could not raise, and by just sticking to the 100 evntually lost as the 4 hot ones did stay hot, but the spins to get the hit was just eating the BR, if like R-sim you can raise past the 100, then these 4 hot #'s would have won, The part thats annoying is those 4 hot #'s had made a profit, but i thought they being hot would produce more profit, so a lesson learnt.
A soft prog to me is better, although slower to say make +100 units it does the job
Moral of the story: numerical disadvantages (red/black, high/low, hot/cold...) are an illusion and can be cancelled out, and always remain disciplined.
Hi RouletteBeater
I'm just quoting what Turbo said - see page 1 of this thread - it's what got me interested in this whole thing in the first place!
Here is a copy and paste of the quote -
The next post is about what happens when the players (instead of flat betting their number every spin) decide to use a system based on repeaters.
Here are the same spins - the same players - still flat betting only on their number.
The only difference is that each player begins betting on their number only once it shows.
So here are the results to compare to the last 3 cycles. We haven't even put in a progression yet - the only thing that is different is that they are playing for a repeat to happen on their number (and they won't remove their bets - they'll just start betting their number once it shows and then every spin after that until the end of the 3 cycles)
This is the data for all players combined (the house edge from the last test was exactly 5.26% as it should be)
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So ALL players ended as a group EVEN. The house edge 0.00 !
This is a fact - it is not trickery or curve fitting, or reverse engineering - it is simply how random works.
We are still at the basic level here. 2,808 bets of $1.00 each were placed - that's a pretty good amount
considering each bet from each player was only $1.00 flat betting every spin.
SPIN 1-37
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(9 * 36 (324u Won)
28 * 9 (252u Lost)
72u PROFIT In 74 SPINS!
NO NEED TO CARRY ON - START OVER.
All numbers came from. Random.org
never quit buddy...........can you explain what you have found.....
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 02, 03:03 PM 2018
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31 WIN!
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(9 * 36 (324u Won)
28 * 9 (252u Lost)
72u PROFIT In 74 SPINS!
NO NEED TO CARRY ON - START OVER.
All numbers came from. Random.org
Your calculations are incorrect?
You bet all the 37 spins? So i has to be:
37*9 and not 28*9
Lost: 37*9=333
Won: 9*36=324
No profit...
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just betting every spin from 1st R1, the ? is the progression to use
Quote from: RayManZ on Mar 02, 04:36 PM 2018
Your calculations are incorrect?
You bet all the 37 spins? So i has to be:
37*9 and not 28*9
Lost: 37*9=333
Won: 9*36=324
No profit...
Shit, your Right!!! Pfffff
Oh well, Back to the drawingboard.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 02, 07:31 PM 2018
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just betting every spin from 1st R1, the ? is the progression to use
Turbo has stated, that he bets a Small Group of numbers, so he isn't betting All the Repeaters that came in. And it must show profit flatbet, no progression. He only uses a progression to Max his profits in a short periode of Time, not to dig out of a negative balance. So it's not in every repeater.
Quote from: RayManZ on Mar 02, 04:36 PM 2018
Your calculations are incorrect?
You bet all the 37 spins? So i has to be:
37*9 and not 28*9
Lost: 37*9=333
Won: 9*36=324
No profit...
I think i'm not far off, how he plays. We only needed one More hit in those set of spins.
That would give us;
Lost 37*9 (333)
Won 10*36 (360)
For. Profit of 27 units!
He also has stated that if he doesn't profit in the First betting cycle, he would in the next or the one after that.
So i needed to carry on to the next cycle.
Quote from: RayManZ on Mar 02, 04:36 PM 2018
Your calculations are incorrect?
You bet all the 37 spins? So i has to be:
37*9 and not 28*9
Lost: 37*9=333
Won: 9*36=324
No profit...
I noticed that i also Made a Miss calculation. I Just Have included the # 0 also to my betting list, because he also did show once. But that would Have still not giving me a profit.
That would Have been;
37*10 (370 units lost)
10*36 (360 units won)
-10 balance.
SPIN 1-37
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(10* 36 (360u Won)
37* 10 (370u Lost)
Balance: -10 units (carry on)
(2s: 0-7-13-15-18-23-27-31)
Base bet x2 units.
SPIN 75-111
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9*72 (648 UNITS WON)
37*16 (592 UNITS LOST)
END BALANCE:
-10 previous cycle.
+56 this cycle
Profit of 46 Units ! Start over.
Is this what Turbo has ment with 1s become 2s and 2s cannot be without becoming 1s First!
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 03, 01:33 AM 2018
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18 WIN!
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7 WIN!
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(10* 36 (360u Won)
37* 10 (370u Lost)
Balance: -10 units (carry on)
(2s: 0-7-13-15-18-23-27-31)
Base bet x2 units.
SPIN 75-111
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9*72 (648 UNITS WON)
37*16 (592 UNITS LOST)
END BALANCE:
-10 previous cycle.
+56 this cycle
Profit of 46 Units ! Start over.
Is this what Turbo has ment with 1s become 2s and 2s cannot be without becoming 1s First?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 09:19 PM 2017
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.
JEK, I understand your line of thought and maybe with some more testing we will have a better idea as to where this system will go.
Getting back to Turbo`s time machine as quoted I think he was more onto the actual repeaters especially the numbers that showed up 3, 4 and more times with some sort of progressive betting... what to bet?.. what to bet?..
I've just tested the following:
TURBO's Method Thinking A:
1s -> 2s -> 3s -> 4s ->5s etc etc etc. Not sure, this is the way, but as long as Turbo's doesn't show us how he does it (I don't believe he ever will) we need to find the solution ourselfs. So this is a playing method A. Playing method testing B will follow soon. Have a great day.
Cycle 1 track 37 spins.
Cycle 2 Bet all the numbers that only showed once
This is our base. All the 1s we've gotten from the first cycle will be use for the rest of our session.
Session ends when
The following test shows at all the way up to betting 5s, there was always a point, where i would have a new high.
You don't need to go that far ofcourse, was just for testing.
I only used the 1s from the first cycle all the way up to spin 222 (6e cycle).
You can follow the session for yourself and see what i was doin'
Note; There were 30 Pofit (exit) points during this game, where you could exit when you wanted too and still have a nice win!
Her's the link.
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/game/3935a2c0f787a42438773d616bf03f4a
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 03, 03:13 AM 2018
I've just tested the following:
TURBO's Method Thinking A:
1s -> 2s -> 3s -> 4s ->5s etc etc etc. Not sure, this is the way, but as long as Turbo's doesn't show us how he does it (I don't believe he ever will) we need to find the solution ourselfs. So this is a playing method A. Playing method testing B will follow soon. Have a great day.
Cycle 1 track 37 spins.
Cycle 2 Bet all the numbers that only showed once
This is our base. All the 1s we've gotten from the first cycle will be used for the rest of our session.
Session ends when
The following test shows at all the way up to betting 5s, there was always a point, where i would have a new high.
You don't need to go that far ofcourse, was just for testing.
I only used the 1s from the first cycle all the way up to spin 222 (6e cycle).
You can follow the session for yourself and see what i was doin'
Note; There were 30 Pofit (exit) points during this game, where you could exit when you wanted too and still have a nice win!
Her's the link.
link:s://roulette-simulator.info/game/3935a2c0f787a42438773d616bf03f4a
Don't trash it right away, test it first.
been thinking on this so i will throw this in there..maybe this is how turbo picks which repeaters to pick dropping some and maybe picking them up again
1st cycle is 1 to 37
2nd cycle is 38 to 75
3rd cycle is 76 to 113
4th cycle is 114 to 151
5th cycle is 152 to 189
6th cycle is 190 to 227
track the 1st 37 spins and see what repeats you have ..make a note of them some will repeat more than others.
keep that list and add to it new repeaters and how many times they repeat as you go
only bet repeats that have hit once in the 2nd cycle...add to it as needed..if hit and in profit carry on tracking if not just keep going until end of cycle..
only bet repeats that have hit twice in the 3rd cycle...add to it as needed from previous spins .if hit and in profit carry on tracking if not just keep going until end of cycle..
only bet repeats that have hit three times in the 4th cycle...add to it as needed from previous spins .if hit and in profit carry on tracking if not just keep going until end of cycle..
only bet repeats that have hit four times in the 5th cycle...add to it as needed from previous spins .if hit and in profit carry on tracking if not just keep going until end of cycle..
all the while tracking repeats and the amount they repeated through the game and put them in there cycles to bet appropriate to the number of repeats they had
only bet repeats that have hit five times in the 6th cycle...add to it as needed from previous spins .if hit and in profit carry on tracking if not just keep going until end of cycle..
could be a crappy idea maybe not but limits the amount of bets per cycle
might be more easier to just set RX to track last 50 spins and bet numbers hit 0 times they will be 8 to 12 something like it and keep beting them by adding chips on hits and then exit point is up to you...would be nice if in profit i guess :twisted: :twisted:
oh forgot..reason being is that 9 to 12 missing in 50 spins is like even chance misses for 19 to 20 spins so some numbers of that group could hit more...just thinking a bit does not happen very often :twisted: :twisted:
MAESTRO, that red figure on your graph scared the crap out of me :twisted:
QuoteMAESTRO, that red figure on your graph scared the crap out of me :twisted:
well shittt happens even in luxury toilets :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
used 10$ chips and pumping up
Quote from: maestro on Mar 03, 06:11 AM 2018
well shittt happens even in luxury toilets :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
... and 2xply toilet paper works better than 1xply which made me think progression might not be a bad thing! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Whats being bet for say 17 spins
Quote from: maestro on Mar 03, 06:03 AM 2018.reason being is that 9 to 12 missing
M a little bit earlier than spin 50.
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But as you see average for spin 60 is 29 non-hit, on these 5 days how many came in those 20 spins.
To one person its meaningless short data
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i'm a short term player and move on to another shop when profit made. With meaningless short term data lets drop back to 21.02.18 (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/03/temp_339418.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GdF0S) we see at 40 26 have come, so 11 still to come. But we know we could have only 3 more in next 20 spins.
Yes only 3 came, The 27th avg (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/03/03/temp_361691.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GdOdo) spins max 18 spins 0nce last happened 620 days ago
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5 spins
All spins for morts game on 21.02.18
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Guys, I have approached this in a different way but obviously needs testing...
What if you did not wait out any spin cycle in order not to miss out on the immediate repeaters?
So basically you start tracking from spin 1 and as soon as any number repeats you bet 1 unit on it. If any second number repeats you bet 2 units on the 2 repeaters you have thus far. If any third number repeats you bet 3 units on the 3 repeaters you have thus far etc... (aggressive progression) Restart when you hit and your balance is at a new high or when the 37 spin cycle is done, whatever comes first?
i think the post by zero and turbos quote says it all.......2 repeat to be 3.......3repeat to be 4........4repeat to be 5.......positive progession...agressive....1/5/25.........
Did anyone looked at 200 spin sessions(or more) ? What happens there?
Maybe few # with no show.
Few # with 1-3 hits
Many # with 3-7 hits
A few # with 8 hits and more
Which one would you bet ? (Knowing most sessions end with few # that get 10 and more hits )
:thumbsup:
Pic is long session but you get my point. # from yesterday
Quote from: ZERO on Mar 03, 08:30 AM 2018
Guys, I have approached this in a different way but obviously needs testing...
What if you did not wait out any spin cycle in order not to miss out on the immediate repeaters?
So basically you start tracking from spin 1 and as soon as any number repeats you bet 1 unit on it. If any second number repeats you bet 2 units on the 2 repeaters you have thus far. If any third number repeats you bet 3 units on the 3 repeaters you have thus far etc... (aggressive progression) Restart when you hit and your balance is at a new high or when the 37 spin cycle is done, whatever comes first?
It doesn’t work I’ve posted mr j catch the 8 train excel on here somewhere you can do this and more on it
Noted, thanks! :thumbsup:
But I couldn`t resist, if only it was this easy... :xd:
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Info for Roulette Simulator players.
Recently they posted a message that there would be a change
to accounts set to "private".
After speaking with the owner of the site I thought I would pass along
the information.
Accounts set to private will still have their play sessions as private, no
one can see them. They won't be listed on the "high score" rankings though.
(Which is completely fine with me, I can do math lol).
For the nay-sayers (sure there are a few). My stats are currently in 4th and
climbing. 200 sessions without a single losing one as I said. $479,000.00 balance.
Although playing has been very limited lately, I'll still make it to #1 at some point :)
Just thought I would pass along the info since some players (via email from here) said that they were concerned that their "private" play sessions would be exposed.
THE MAN has arrived! Good to hear from you, I actually posted previously that you might be the private account ranked #1 so I was wrong you are the private account ranked #4... :thumbsup:
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 03, 12:43 PM 2018200 sessions without a single losing one as I said.
How many spins would a session have, average it, you can do the math
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 03, 08:42 AM 2018
i think the post by zero and turbos quote says it all.......2 repeat to be 3.......3repeat to be 4........4repeat to be 5.......positive progession...agressive....1/5/25.........
TBH havent saw an aggressiv prog @ Turbos RS result post in other forum. Was using 1.2.3... or in his case 5.10.15
Spent the afternoon at one of my local casinos and decided to play the repeaters based on what I showed a few posts up from 'Number 6' regarding his march and also taking the frequency distribution into consideration. (see chart)
What I have noticed a lot in my recent tests of this and in this bit of live play as well is how you can get a small group of numbers in a cluster all start hitting according to the march. By spin 32, there should normally be three triples, so on seeing only one triple appearing by spin 28 and then that little cluster of numbers start getting hot (14,26,11,32) the 26 duly obliged for the second triple on spin 34.
I like the idea behind all this because I am not a fan of negative progressions. You can read the trot and just flat bet a few numbers here and there to try and fit in with the march and the frequency distribution. You don't need many hits at all in a cycle to come away with a nice profit.
Nice wiggy
What does winkel show at spin 13, could have 2 repeats,here 12 and no repeat, so decision bet for repeat?
also wiggy
if you was betting the 4 hottest 33,32,31,30 with 5 units is 31 winning #26
Hello Notto, I caught the 3/6 split on spin 13 because of the 6 appearing on spin 11.
I didn't catch the 26 on spin 31 because it last appeared on spin 10. So I am also taking the gaps into consideration to keep the outlay low for flat betting purposes.
yes gaps can be good as 20+ can happen
after many years of studing his thinking, let's see if i still remeber the most important stuff that he has said over the years.
Turbo's thoughts are quite simple........
01. He is only betting numbers that operate above expectation! SOLVED !
02. Keeping nr, 1 in mind, all numbers that haven't shown aren't bet! SOLVED !
03. Keeping nr, 1 in mind, all numbers that have shown only once, that are showing within expectation, aren't bet! SOLVED !
04. Don't think in a 37 spin cycle limit !
05. Numbers that were performing above expectation, but don't anymore, are dropped! SOLVED !
06. He is playing in a way that atleast ensures him that he is on the best possible numbers that he can be without knowing
100% what's coming.
07. His wins makes up for almost every losing bet that has been played - PROGESSION IS USED. SOLVED !
08. We need to focus on the MATH! - not the Wheel and certainly not the layout.
09. Turbo isn't playing at the house edge.
10. The anwser is there if we only think beyond 1:38 & 35:1 and the house edge on every spin.
enough to think about.
stats show that over millions and millions of spins.......most repeats hit 7th or 8th spin.......so if were betting for repeat numbers that show up more then expected... then the obvious window ....bet all repeats in a 6 spin window.........im i wrong
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 05, 03:07 PM 2018
stats show that over millions and millions of spins.......most repeats hit 7th or 8th spin.......so if were betting for repeat numbers that show up more then expected... then the obvious window ....bet all repeats in a 6 spin window.........im i wrong
I would asume that also, but that is not how it is played, well i guess. that uses a too short window, and you are gonna loose many hits. but then again, i could be wrong thou.
you limit your play on to many numbers........am i wrong
you drop the repeat played after 36 spins.......if no hit.......interesting???
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 05, 03:24 PM 2018
you drop the repeat played after 36 spins.......if no hit.......interesting???
Flat it cant win. So we need a positive progression. On a hit we raise...Now if we dont get a hit anymore for 36 spins....that would drain our br right ?
The thing here that is overlooked is the mm. You need to win as much as possible and invest as low as possible. NOT VICE VERSA. :thumbsup:
but we are always looking back at the last 6 spins and bet any repeat in that window......
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 05, 03:35 PM 2018
bet any repeat in that window......
For how long ?
No that's not it. we must not use a window, turbo has said so too often.
I truly believe that my old method is as close as we can get to turbo's method. not the same, but a close one.
Bet every number that repeat itself in the last 37 spin cycle. do this with every new repeat that shows up.
Everytime when one of our repeaters hit, we raise that number only with a positive progression. Could be 1/2/3/4/5 et.... or 1/2/4/8/16 or 1/3/6/9/18 etc or the 1/5/25/125 but wouldn't recomend the last one.
But only raise a number when it has hit in the last 37 spin cycle and when not at a new high.
When a number gets hit but not in the last 37 spins, we drop that number. when a number gets hit in the last 37 spins but were at a new high, we contunue to bet that number, only this time with 1 unit again. this will prevent for our bankroll to collapse.
ONCE AT A NEW HIGH - RESET!
Just thought, i would play one more session, before i go to bed.
Was a nice one ! +â,¬185,- Number #33 was my friend this time. showed up 5 times in 16 spins !! what more could you want.
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33 R1
33 R2
33 R3
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33 R4
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 05, 04:39 PM 2018
Just thought, i would play one more session, before i go to bed.
Was a nice one ! +â,¬185,- Number #33 was my friend this time. showed up 5 times in 16 spins !! what more could you want.
Oh yeah, was at my rigged RNG table :wink:
Maybe good to know, that i cashed out right away.
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33 R1
33 R2
33 R3
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Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 05, 02:26 PM 201801. He is only betting numbers that operate above expectation! SOLVED !
02. Keeping nr, 1 in mind, all numbers that haven't shown aren't bet! SOLVED !
03. Keeping nr, 1 in mind, all numbers that have shown only once, that are showing within expectation, aren't bet! SOLVED !
04. Don't think in a 37 spin cycle limit !
05. Numbers that were performing above expectation, but don't anymore, are dropped! SOLVED !
06. He is playing in a way that atleast ensures him that he is on the best possible numbers that he can be without knowing
100% what's coming.
07. His wins makes up for almost every losing bet that has been played - PROGESSION IS USED. SOLVED !
08. We need to focus on the MATH! - not the Wheel and certainly not the layout.
09. Turbo isn't playing at the house edge.
10. The anwser is there if we only think beyond 1:38 & 35:1 and the house edge on every spin.
enough to think about.
Those are 10 great ones to write down and think about ! (and re-read as needed)
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 05, 04:39 PM 2018Was a nice one ! +â,¬185,- Number #33 was my friend this time. showed up 5 times in 16 spins !! what more could you want.
34
16
20
20 R1
8
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32
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33 R1
33 R2
33 R3
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33 R4
I always love it when I'm sitting at the table or testing online and see something like this.
Then someone will say "I can't figure out how to win". You just got 5 #33's in 16 spins ! lol.
If someone played through this, and didn't play #33 - then I can understand why they would lose. It's like a present when "random" hands us a list like that, I "clean up" and leave.
It's not even a rare thing to see - you can look at history boards when your in the casino - how many times do you see 3 of the same number right there ?
Yet people will say "Just because it hit 2 times doesn't mean it's going to hit a third time" and yep "correct", each spin is independent from the last and random.
So either you play repeaters (in the best possible way you can find to play them) and win, or you don't and lose. Playing cold numbers never equals a win, throwing more and more money on a number that potentially won't show up never wins - that's what people do.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 05, 03:31 PM 2018
Flat it cant win. So we need a positive progression. On a hit we raise...Now if we dont get a hit anymore for 36 spins....that would drain our br right ?
The thing here that is overlooked is the mm. You need to win as much as possible and invest as low as possible. NOT VICE VERSA. :thumbsup:
Depending how I'm playing, I wouldn't necessarily always raise on a hit. I might eventually. And not necessarily on the first hit.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 05, 04:39 PM 2018Just thought, i would play one more session, before i go to bed.
Was a nice one ! +â,¬185,- Number #33 was my friend this time. showed up 5 times in 16 spins !! what more could you want.
Did you need to raise every time here? Obviously with a time machine you would. But you didn't need to.
Quote from: fossell on Mar 05, 06:16 PM 2018
Did you need to raise every time here? Obviously with a time machine you would. But you didn't need to.
Nope, because i was only playing numbers that hit above expected.
So the olly number i had to raise was #33! Not knowing it would hit again...Just to be there when it would happen, that's how TG is thinking. Not to difficult, you Just need to set your mind open, it's real simple math.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 05, 05:09 PM 2018
Those are 10 great ones to write down and think about ! (and re-read as needed)
I always love it when I'm sitting at the table or testing online and see something like this.
Then someone will say "I can't figure out how to win". You just got 5 #33's in 16 spins ! lol.
If someone played through this, and didn't play #33 - then I can understand why they would lose. It's like a present when "random" hands us a list like that, I "clean up" and leave.
It's not even a rare thing to see - you can look at history boards when your in the casino - how many times do you see 3 of the same number right there ?
Yet people will say "Just because it hit 2 times doesn't mean it's going to hit a third time" and yep "correct", each spin is independent from the last and random.
So either you play repeaters (in the best possible way you can find to play them) and win, or you don't and lose. Playing cold numbers never equals a win, throwing more and more money on a number that potentially won't show up never wins - that's what people do.
good morning,
I can't losse, because i was making sure to be there when a hit would acour. That's what this is All about Without explaining your System i'n detail. Always play the best numbers you can, and there Will come a Time, when when a number does continue to work above expected, then Will win.
So when a number stops working above expected (repeat outside 37 spins) becUse it was expected to operatie 1 Time in 37 spins, i drop that number. Math can be simple if you put your mind to it. As Time goes by, i start to understand your way of thinking and i would like to thank you for opening my mind now. It Just makes sense now....like i said before, it can be difficult to understand, because we Always do what we were doin' before, once we stop that and except that math is the only thing you need, you Will win.
A big bow to you mr. TURBO.
Do i win every attempt? No. Do i win every session? Yes.
When we only focus on the numbers that operatie faster then other numbers, and only those Will be bet, when it continue to work above expected it will Make up for almost every loss up to that point.
im still a bit confused......you havebeen so good explaining id love to know how......
There are two things i found out also.
1. We don't need wheel or Table layout. Online play, real live BM play or any kind. As Long as the game is producing Random numbers we can't loose. Because ramdomness is the only fault they Made when making the game itself More then 200 years ago.
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 05, 11:55 PM 2018
im still a bit confused......you havebeen so good explaining id love to know how......
I don't know how much More simple i can Make it, i expllained it all in the above posts. No you won't get a THAT'S HOW IT IS DONE! from Turbo, but if you think about it, it's the only way he can win.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 06:28 AM 2017Denzie, many systems can survive 10,000+ spins. But having a system that aims to win just in your lifetime is fallacy. When the odds dont change, all you are left with is the equivalent of lots of different people all making random bets of difference size. If that beat roulette, the game wouldnt be in casinos. Nevertheless if it works for tou, keep doing it. But dont be surprised if a bad night wipes out all wins and more. You might be one of the lucky ones who stops before the losing run. For some, that run is on day 1.
Steve,we have 365 days in a year. Bankroll of $500.00 every visit. The player makes $150.00 daily Based on his bankroll. He can walk into a casino anytime he/she wants. Make the amount and leave. Worst case he/she losses 30 days out of 365. Not because of his/her method of play, but greed to make more from $500.00. The person was already up $150.00 his daily target. Decides to double his bet's when he/she knows the bankroll for those bets is not enough. Would you call that luck or a good system with good money management?
Quote from: Azim on Mar 06, 12:03 AM 2018
Steve,we have 365 days in a year. Bankroll of $500.00 every visit. The player makes $150.00 daily Based on his bankroll. He can walk into a casino anytime he/she wants. Make the amount and leave. Worst case he/she losses 30 days out of 365. Would you call that luck or a good system with good money management?
the last one!
I guess you will have to bet 2,3,4 repeaters at the same time. In 37 spin window? Otherwise you will miss hits.
Quote from: boyd30 on Mar 06, 12:14 AM 2018
I guess you will have to bet 2,3,4 repeaters at the same time. In 37 spin window? Otherwise you will miss hits.
Missing hits isn't the problem, getting hits is All that matters.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 05, 11:58 PM 2018As Long as the game is producing Random numbers we can't loose. Because ramdomness is the only fault they Made when making the game itself More then 200 years ago.
WHAT? No.
Random means the odds are 1 in 37 for a single number. That means you win 1 in 37 times. When you win, you get back 36 chips instead of 37. So the payout is always less than the odds.
Random is 1 in 37. That's not a fault. The difference between "how often you win" and "what you are paid" is a multi-billion dollar industry.
Quote from: Azim on Mar 06, 12:03 AM 2018Steve,we have 365 days in a year. Bankroll of $500.00 every visit. The player makes $150.00 daily Based on his bankroll. He can walk into a casino anytime he/she wants. Make the amount and leave. Worst case he/she losses 30 days out of 365. Not because of his/her method of play, but greed to make more from $500.00. The person was already up $150.00 his daily target. Decides to double his bet's when he/she knows the bankroll for those bets is not enough. Would you call that luck or a good system with good money management?
And if 1000 players all did the same, they would all have the same results?
If the system doesn't change the odds, then yes it would be "luck".
I've explained these points in detail before.
MONEY MANAGEMENT IS WORTHLESS IF THE SYSTEM DOESNT FIRST CHANGE THE ODDS.
This whole "leave when you're up" thing is for "gamblers", not making money. You could be missing out on huge wins if you stopped playing, or you could also lose big.
No Steve, you're wrong there. Let the Odds go.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 05, 11:52 PM 2018
Do i win every attempt? No. Do i win every session? Yes.
When we only focus on the numbers that operatie faster then other numbers, and only those Will be bet, when it continue to work above expected it will Make up for almost every loss up to that point.
Look like another andre is emerging. Can u plz play reasonable abount of spin and then come with theory. Ur example spins r too easy to make profit. Not all spins r same thing. When u come to field u will find ur theory is blurry.
Seriously.
On what planet does 37 - 36 = 0?
You CANNOT ignore a very simple equation.
This rubbish about "think beyond 37 spins" is flat earth crap too. All that matters, and will ever matter, is what happens on the NEXT spin. Exactly the same as you will only get paid if you win.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 06, 12:27 AM 2018
Look like another andre is emerging. Can u plz play reasonable abount of spin and then come with theory. Ur example spins r too easy to make profit. Not all spins r same thing. When u come to field u will find ur theory is blurry.
Don't know Who André is, but i don't think it was ment as a compliment.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 06, 12:27 AM 2018
Seriously.
On what planet does 37 - 36 = 0?
You CANNOT ignore a very simple equation.
This rubbish about "think beyond 37 spins" is flat earth crap too. All that matters, and will ever matter, is what happens on the NEXT spin. Exactly the same as you will only get paid if you win.
I can't argue you on that Steve.
But my next spin could be 2/37 instead of 1/37. If that happens i win! Just as simple as the earth is round. Remember, i don't play at 1/37 ! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 28, 10:48 PM 2017
Rg, the odds of any sequence of 38 spins are the same. The wheel doesn't give a crap what spun before.
So when you base any system on a sequence of spins just because it makes sense in your own head doesn't change anything. Amy sequence happens just as often as another so the bet selection doesn't change anything.
Again, let's do some testing...
Testing this.
As far as I have read this:
Method in play is:
Don't bet on a number unless it has hit 2 times. Bet as many number's as long as they have hit 2 times. Once a number hit's the 3rd time stop betting the number's hit twice and bet numbers that hit 3 times till we get a number or number's hitting 4 times.
We re-start the process when we reach a spin count of 114 spins(38 x 3 cycles).
Are we flat betting or are we using a progression for this?
IF I am right, I can code this system, for you all to test. I have done this test in a different manner and it was a losing approach.
However, in real life, the story is different.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 06, 12:19 AM 2018And if 1000 players all did the same, they would all have the same results?
If the system doesn't change the odds, then yes it would be "luck".
Yes, if 1000 players played and stuck to the rules they would all win.
The system doesn't change odds but predicts a winning number within certain spins.(that's why he/she can only play with a bankroll of $500.00 due to table limits)
But, how do you prove that luck or variance is not the factor for your winnings?
Quote from: Madi on Mar 06, 12:27 AM 2018
Look like another andre is emerging. Can u plz play reasonable abount of spin and then come with theory. Ur example spins r too easy to make profit. Not all spins r same thing. When u come to field u will find ur theory is blurry.
Oh yes it does.
It does 't Make any difference i'm how many spins i play! Could be 5 or could be 114, the End result Will Always be the same, i win!
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 06, 12:42 AM 2018But my next spin could be 2/37 instead of 1/37. If that happens i win! Just as simple as the earth is round. Remember, i don't play at 1/37 !
Repeaters cannot possibly give you 2/37. If you mean 1/3rd of numbers are repeats, you are forgetting some wont repeat. So in the end, you are still stuck with 1 in 37.
Quote from: Azim on Mar 06, 12:43 AM 2018
Testing this.
As far as I have read this:
Method in play is:
Don't bet on a number unless it has hit 2 times. Bet as many number's as long as they have hit 2 times. Once a number hit's the 3rd time stop betting the number's hit twice and bet numbers that hit 3 times till we get a number or number's hitting 4 times.
We re-start the process when we reach a spin count of 114 spins(38 x 3 cycles).
Are we flat betting or are we using a progression for this?
IF I am right, I can code this system, for you all to test. I have done this test in a different manner and it was a losing approach.
However, in real life, the story is different.
No you are not Right, Read my post again please. This is not how it is played.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 06, 12:47 AM 2018
Oh yes it does.
It does 't Make any difference i'm how many spins i play! Could be 5 or could be 114, the End result Will Always be the same, i win!
Good luck. UR journy is over then.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 06, 12:48 AM 2018
Repeaters cannot possibly give you 2/37. If you mean 1/3rd of numbers are repeats, you are forgetting some wont repeat. So in the end, you are still stuck with 1 in 37.
Not to be a Smart ass Steve, but now i understand why Turbo is getting tired explaing everything over and over again. You Just don't get it. I never be stuck on 1/37. Because i never play at 1/37. Last Time i explaining it, because i keep repeating myself.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 06, 12:52 AM 2018
Good luck. UR journy is over then.
In fact, it is.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 06, 12:42 AM 2018
I can't argue you on that Steve.
But my next spin could be 2/37 instead of 1/37. If that happens i win! Just as simple as the earth is round. Remember, i don't play at 1/37 ! :thumbsup:
R u serious?
By 2/37 do you mean you bet 2 numbers?
You know only one number in roulette wins, right?
Quote from: Steve on Mar 06, 12:55 AM 2018
By 2/37 do you mean you bet 2 numbers?
You know only one number in roulette wins, right?
No, it means i never play at the House Edge.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 05, 02:26 PM 2018
after many years of studing his thinking, let's see if i still remeber the most important stuff that he has said over the years.
Turbo's thoughts are quite simple........
01. He is only betting numbers that operate above expectation! SOLVED !
02. Keeping nr, 1 in mind, all numbers that haven't shown aren't bet! SOLVED !
03. Keeping nr, 1 in mind, all numbers that have shown only once, that are showing within expectation, aren't bet! SOLVED !
04. Don't think in a 37 spin cycle limit !
05. Numbers that were performing above expectation, but don't anymore, are dropped! SOLVED !
06. He is playing in a way that atleast ensures him that he is on the best possible numbers that he can be without knowing
100% what's coming.
07. His wins makes up for almost every losing bet that has been played - PROGESSION IS USED. SOLVED !
08. We need to focus on the MATH! - not the Wheel and certainly not the layout.
09. Turbo isn't playing at the house edge.
10. The anwser is there if we only think beyond 1:38 & 35:1 and the house edge on every spin.
enough to think about.
if you are referring to this.
This doesn't give out any real info.
01. He is only betting numbers that operate above expectation! SOLVED ! How do you know what this is?
Quote from: Azim on Mar 06, 12:57 AM 2018
if you are referring to this.
This doesn't give out any real info.
01. He is only betting numbers that operate above expectation! SOLVED ! How do you know what this is?
It's All in the math!
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 06, 01:05 AM 2018
It's All in the math!
Let's get the formula out for the math. Any math can be programmed easily. So this should be a piece of cake.
Do you know the math for it?
Just for the record, i'm not goin' to explaining it in every detail, because it's not my call to do so. If Turbo would like to give more information, he will at some Point, it's not for me to say.
Read All the information he has given us i'm the past years, you Will find that he did revail it allready. Just re-read. I once was also left i'm the dark, but i now See the light. And it is shining Bright! :smile:
Have a great day friends, need to get my kids to school.
I'll be honest. Im not convinced you do see the light. I don't believe its quite as simple as the information you've presented (which is what will wind people up :lol:) But if you see something in information you 'haven't' presented, then good luck ;-)
I've noticed a few people here over the year 'convinced' they have it.
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Betting 2's, 3s, 4s, - - - - - 10s,11s
Am i doing it right who knows, but i don't think it has set in stone rules, it's like GUT, decisions need to be made as the spins come.
Missing hits isn't the problem, getting hits is All that matters. I like that Eddy :thumbsup: Ed be like Maestro ignore steve his stuck in his own little computer world
Quoteignore steve his stuck in his own little computer world
Its called "reality". All you millionaires should come out of deludedville and see how everything really works.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 06, 12:56 AM 2018
No, it means i never play at the House Edge.
Ok so then you overcome it by changing the odds. Right?
Have a question to this timemashine theory. Lets take a cycle of 37 spins as our time cycle. After spin 37 I see in theory 24 numbers hit and 13 havent. Now I travel back to spin 1. As im not the smartest guy I forgot which 24 numbers will hit in the next 37 spins. BUT, and now comes my probably dumb question, why shouldnt I bet on the number which hit at spin 1? Lets say spin 1 #30 hit. Why on earth I should not bet #30 for the next 36 spins, as i know this number is in the pool of the 24 numbers which came up till spin 37? Sure I dont know if it will hit again, but isnt my chance 1/24 for the next 36 spins?
Quote from: ayk on Mar 06, 06:56 AM 2018Have a question to this timemashine theory. Lets take a cycle of 37 spins as our time cycle. After spin 37 I see in theory 24 numbers hit and 13 havent. Now I travel back to spin 1. As im not the smartest guy I forgot which 24 numbers will hit in the next 37 spins. BUT, and now comes my probably dumb question, why shouldnt I bet on the number which hit at spin 1? Lets say spin 1 #30 hit. Why on earth I should not bet #30 for the next 36 spins, as i know this number is in the pool of the 24 numbers which came up till spin 37? Sure I dont know if it will hit again, but isnt my chance 1/24 for the next 36 spins?
good post.
Some people don't understand that there's (on average) only 24 numbers that appear in a cycle - yet they continue to say the odds of winning are 1 in 37 (or 38) because they can't see past "each spin is independent from the last". Thinking on a "1 spin at a time" basis is probably the biggest thing keeping most people from winning.
Your #30 is now a "potential" repeater, unlike every other number on the table - they can appear (1 in 37 odds) but they can't be a repeater until they have shown at least once.
That makes #30 a potential repeater. Keep going with this line of thought that you posted and you'll find even more value in it than you do now.
QuoteLets say spin 1 #30 hit. Why on earth I should not bet #30 for the next 36 spins, as i know this number is in the pool of the 24 numbers which came up till spin 37? Sure I dont know if it will hit again, but isnt my chance 1/24 for the next 36 spins?
Your chance is still 1/36. You are betting 1 out of the 24 numbers from the pool, you lose to the other 23 numbers,
Here you have 13 unhit, so there are 13 repeats in total. you chance of hitting one of the repeat is 1/13.
Therefore your actual chance of hitting is 1/36 in 36 spins (23+13).
Regards and Best wishes.
Quote from: Azim on Mar 06, 12:43 AM 2018
Testing this.
As far as I have read this:
Method in play is:
Don't bet on a number unless it has hit 2 times. Bet as many number's as long as they have hit 2 times. Once a number hit's the 3rd time stop betting the number's hit twice and bet numbers that hit 3 times till we get a number or number's hitting 4 times.
We re-start the process when we reach a spin count of 114 spins(38 x 3 cycles).
Are we flat betting or are we using a progression for this?
IF I am right, I can code this system, for you all to test. I have done this test in a different manner and it was a losing approach.
However, in real life, the story is different.
Its been coded. It lost. Save yourself the efford :thumbsup:
Quote from: ayk on Mar 06, 06:56 AM 2018
Have a question to this timemashine theory. Lets take a cycle of 37 spins as our time cycle. After spin 37 I see in theory 24 numbers hit and 13 havent. Now I travel back to spin 1. As im not the smartest guy I forgot which 24 numbers will hit in the next 37 spins. BUT, and now comes my probably dumb question, why shouldnt I bet on the number which hit at spin 1? Lets say spin 1 #30 hit. Why on earth I should not bet #30 for the next 36 spins, as i know this number is in the pool of the 24 numbers which came up till spin 37? Sure I dont know if it will hit again, but isnt my chance 1/24 for the next 36 spins?
It's not Crazy, you could. The only Crazy thing that can be done is to bet numbers that haven't showed. Remember, before there are 2s there Always must be a 1s First. Is it the best bet? I don't think so, but Always better then betting on unhit #ers.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 06, 07:26 AM 2018
Its been coded. It lost. Save yourself the efford :thumbsup:
Denzie is Right , it won't work.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 05, 11:52 PM 2018
Do i win every attempt? No. Do i win every session? Yes.
This i find amazing. I cant :'(
Quote from: Azim
/quote]after many years of studing his thinking, let's see if i still remeber the most important stuff that he has said over the years.
Turbo's thoughts are quite simple........
01. He is only betting numbers that operate above expectation! SOLVED !
02. Keeping nr, 1 in mind, all numbers that haven't shown aren't bet! SOLVED !
03. Keeping nr, 1 in mind, all numbers that have shown only once, that are showing within expectation, aren't bet! SOLVED !
04. Don't think in a 37 spin cycle limit !
05. Numbers that were performing above expectation, but don't anymore, are dropped! SOLVED !
06. He is playing in a way that atleast ensures him that he is on the best possible numbers that he can be without knowing
100% what's coming.
07. His wins makes up for almost every losing bet that has been played - PROGESSION IS USED. SOLVED !
08. We need to focus on the MATH! - not the Wheel and certainly not the layout.
09. Turbo isn't playing at the house edge.
10. The anwser is there if we only think beyond 1:38 & 35:1 and the house edge on every spin.
enough to think about.
Ok, finally that's how turbo plays
I searched this information long time behave you guys keep talking and don't write headlines/points.
Anyway, if this true how turbo plays I can assure you that it's as worst as any other system.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 06, 07:38 AM 2018
This i find amazing. I cant :'(
You are a member on this forum since long time, haven't you managed yet to get yourself a HG?
Btw, I have reviewed some old threads and saw that there are a lot of members who are not any longer here, does that mean their admitted that roulette is waste of time and most importantly waste of money ????
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 06, 07:42 AM 2018
You are a member on this forum since long time, haven't you managed yet to get yourself a HG?
A HG....nope. But i win 9 out of 10 sessions so how to name that ?
Quote from: denzie on Mar 06, 07:38 AM 2018
This i find amazing. I cant :'(
Turbo's quote, not Mine.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 06, 07:42 AM 2018
You are a member on this forum since long time, haven't you managed yet to get yourself a HG?
Roulettebeater, I strongly believe Denzie has got his HG long..long ..long ....before you.
I am 99.99% certain about this because I downloaded all his post and have been reading all this while.
I got my winning system from one of his post. I have been playing 7 days per week at B&M casino ever since.
Thank you very much Denzie.
Regards and Best Wishes
Ps/ It's suppose to be 100%, the remaining 0.01% is waiting for him to admit it,
jekb76.........ok here it goes......walk up to the tale bet the the first # tto hit 2x..bet that # for 37 spins.....if hit retrack if loss....look into timemachine pick the newest # hit 3x.....bet for 37 spins if win restart if loss look in time machine....use a positive progression.(as turbo says you cant bet all numbers some will pass you by but because of the math you can not loose..........am i close
Quote from: sniper on Mar 06, 08:01 AM 2018
Roulettebeater, I strongly believe Denzie has got his HG long..long ..long ....before you.
I am 99.99% certain about this because I downloaded all his post and have been reading all this while.
I got my winning system from one of his post. I have been playing 7 days per week at B&M casino ever since.
Thank you very much Denzie.
Regards and Best Wishes
Ps/ It's suppose to be 100%, the remaining 0.01% is waiting for him to admit it,
I am glad for you guys !
Keep milking the casino!
Sooner or later they will milk you back and get the blood out of your nipples
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 06, 08:04 AM 2018
Sooner or later they will milk you back and get the blood out of your nipples
WTF? :xd:
please rate my program
Quote from: ZERO on Mar 06, 08:14 AM 2018
WTF? :xd:
People wanted to become richer playing roulette, once they started to play they became poorer !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 06, 08:22 AM 2018
People wanted to become richer playing roulette, once they started to play they became poorer !
Coz that happened to your weekly HG's?
On weekend I lost but I was guilty because of lack of attention !
I was able to double my bankroll in 3 days and then lost all !!
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Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 06, 07:30 AM 2018I don't think so, but Always better then betting on unhit #ers.
But if you have an understanding of the 37 spins, the unhit appear, you don't have to bet every spin, GUT teaches this, by showing the trot(old topdog will love that)
Just look at Morts avg for ef-bet.
I said in a post some where that i have fuck all to do as i'm stuck at home thru my immune system attacking my joints, so i'll muck about with repeats. Just left MPR playing for repeats and said i'll post the sheet for sugtip in MPR, but here will do. 1000+ units i missed the last #10 as the gap was 20+ at times, but it came and i missed 3'600
Quote from: sniper on Mar 06, 07:22 AM 2018
Your chance is still 1/36. You are betting 1 out of the 24 numbers from the pool, you lose to the other 23 numbers,
Here you have 13 unhit, so there are 13 repeats in total. you chance of hitting one of the repeat is 1/13.
Therefore your actual chance of hitting is 1/36 in 36 spins (23+13).
Regards and Best wishes.
Look at the bold text. You said the change of hitting a repeat after spin 1 is 1 out of 13. Because there will be 13 repeaters.
But we only have 1 number at the moment that can repeat. So that number has a 1 out of 1 to become a repeater. Ofcourse with more spins you will get more numbers so the odds keep changing.
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Quote from: ayk on Mar 06, 06:56 AM 2018
Have a question to this timemashine theory. Lets take a cycle of 37 spins as our time cycle. After spin 37 I see in theory 24 numbers hit and 13 havent. Now I travel back to spin 1. As im not the smartest guy I forgot which 24 numbers will hit in the next 37 spins. BUT, and now comes my probably dumb question, why shouldnt I bet on the number which hit at spin 1? Lets say spin 1 #30 hit. Why on earth I should not bet #30 for the next 36 spins, as i know this number is in the pool of the 24 numbers which came up till spin 37? Sure I dont know if it will hit again, but isnt my chance 1/24 for the next 36 spins?
good post.
Some people don't understand that there's (on average) only 24 numbers that appear in a cycle - yet they continue to say the odds of winning are 1 in 37 (or 38) because they can't see past "each spin is independent from the last". Thinking on a "1 spin at a time" basis is probably the biggest thing keeping most people from winning.
Your #30 is now a "potential" repeater, unlike every other number on the table - they can appear (1 in 37 odds) but they can't be a repeater until they have shown at least once.
That makes #30 a potential repeater. Keep going with this line of thought that you posted and you'll find even more value in it than you do now.
With all due respect, I can use your logic to prove that it is better to NOT use repeaters. Roughly speaking, just to present the argument:
Scenario 1 (previously hit number) A number has hit. We know that in the next 36 spins 24 different numbers will hit. 12 numbers will hit (at least) twice. This means that a number which has hit, has
50% chance to hit again in the next 36 spins
Scenario 2 (unhit number)A number has not hit. We know that in the next 36 spins, 24 numbers will hit at least once. This means that a non hit number, has 24/36=
66% chance to hit in the next 36 spins.
ConclusionIn the next 36 spins, the unhit number has better probabilities (66%) to hit, than the previously hit number to hit again (50%).
Of course, both arguments, yours and mine, are misleading. The truth is, that betting previously hit numbers, offers neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. At least not based in the logic presented here and in previous posts.
why is it any better betting for repeats in 37 spins.
As said and shown, like winkel shows with his checkpoints, the 1st third are the larger group un-hit, 2nd 3rd its 50/50 both are appearing and last 3rd repeats are happening more, but whats repeating 1x,2x,3x, unless your betting everyspin how will you be on the right one.
Can be just as dear betting near the end for repeats as betting at the start for unhits
Quote from: ayk on Mar 06, 06:56 AM 2018
Have a question to this timemashine theory. Lets take a cycle of 37 spins as our time cycle. After spin 37 I see in theory 24 numbers hit and 13 havent. Now I travel back to spin 1. As im not the smartest guy I forgot which 24 numbers will hit in the next 37 spins. BUT, and now comes my probably dumb question, why shouldnt I bet on the number which hit at spin 1? Lets say spin 1 #30 hit. Why on earth I should not bet #30 for the next 36 spins, as i know this number is in the pool of the 24 numbers which came up till spin 37? Sure I dont know if it will hit again, but isnt my chance 1/24 for the next 36 spins?
... but wouldn`t it make sense to wait for these repeats to happen and then start betting for the 3rd, 4th etc hit as surely a certain number probably would repeat more than once in a 37/38 spin cycle?
dealer are instructed to spin the ball in two different directions (clockwise and anticlockwise) ...
Let's take an example, dealer spins the Ball as follows :
1- clockwise
2- anticlockwise
Do you think that there is some dealer who can spin the ball with the same speed regardless of the spin's direction ? And if yes how probable is this event ?
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hows it going mr goldrosen,
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 06, 07:32 AM 2018
Denzie is Right , it won't work.
It's the flatbet that don't work. With progression I don't know.
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Just another try, must say nice and peaceful no press the ready button just set the timer
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Yeah its decisions as play goes along, adjust the prog, watch the BR
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Going strong Notto, keep it up :thumbsup:
Show me your worst 148 spins (true spins-not Made up) and i Will prove your wrong, that i never loose.
Eddy
Who is Willing to put my theory to the test and See what i Have found out?
What is your worst 148 spin session where you Have lost alot of money?
Show me, show me! :smile: :wink:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 06, 02:00 PM 2018What is your worst 148 spin session
try the 200 above, i went 100 spins till a hit
Quote from: denzie on Mar 06, 01:35 PM 2018
Going strong Notto, keep it up :thumbsup:
Yes Den, i just don't know why MPR is so hard to keep win rate at 1.0 or above, oh yeah its one spin.
Funny den i keep walking into the RFH on MPR, made 10000 was well 1.0+ lost it all because wifey came in, then made it to 25000,lost the lot my fault too heavy a prog, but now can't even get above 9000 units as RFH is there.
But perhaps i might now with 8320 units, but i'll need to improve accuracy
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 06, 02:04 PM 2018
try the 200 above, i went 100 spins till a hit
wich one, the one with the numbers above it?
Does anyone knows how i can replay those numbers without doin' it on paper?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 06, 02:22 PM 2018
Does anyone knows how i can replay those numbers without doin' it on paper?
peeps talk of RX, me know nothing about it.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 06, 01:35 PM 2018
Going strong Notto, keep it up :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 06, 02:12 PM 2018But perhaps i might now with 8320 units, but i'll need to improve accuracy
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Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 06, 02:22 PM 2018
Does anyone knows how i can replay those numbers without doin' it on paper?
Just use Excel or do it however you'd normally do it and take a photo.
Question for turbo if you were to play an outside bet with the concept of law of third which one would it be .thank you
Quote from: Winner on Mar 06, 05:54 PM 2018Question for turbo if you were to play an outside bet with the concept of law of third which one would it be .thank you
Good question !
I would play the dozens and columns.
Betting 1 unit to start on the two that appeared last.
(since in 3 spins there is typically 2 different and one repeat (and 1 no-show).
Playing the dozen and the column I'll cover 20 numbers.
I'll have a 1 in 9 chance of winning them both together as well.
So the rules would be to start with 1 unit on each that last appeared.
If 1 wins and the other doesn't - the bet stays the same (a new high is reached)
and I would cover the new doz and column.
If both win, I reset the unit size to 1 unit regardless of where I'm at and start
after the next spin to have two new locations to play.
If neither win, I increase both 1 unit each and now bet the new dozen and column
that just appeared.
On ANY equal to last high amount or above the last high amount, I keep betting
but reset the unit size to 1 unit each.
Any zero or double zero is treated as a loss and the next spin is skipped to get
a new betting location.
I've actually played this way and it works very nicely - but "long term" testing shows
that at some point eventually it can go south.
I recorded a session for an example - 25.00 units, starting 3k and ending 6k
bankroll doubled in 126 spins.
Hope the info helps, if not - just ask.
Cheers
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Notto, stop blaming your win rate on what you call "crashes". Anyway I'm looking into potential issues. There arent crashes. the problems you may have are something different and i'm looking into it.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 06, 07:26 PM 2018
Good question !
I would play the dozens and columns.
Betting 1 unit to start on the two that appeared last.
(since in 3 spins there is typically 2 different and one repeat (and 1 no-show).
Playing the dozen and the column I'll cover 20 numbers.
I'll have a 1 in 9 chance of winning them both together as well.
So the rules would be to start with 1 unit on each that last appeared.
If 1 wins and the other doesn't - the bet stays the same (a new high is reached)
and I would cover the new doz and column.
If both win, I reset the unit size to 1 unit regardless of where I'm at and start
after the next spin to have two new locations to play.
If neither win, I increase both 1 unit each and now bet the new dozen and column
that just appeared.
On ANY equal to last high amount or above the last high amount, I keep betting
but reset the unit size to 1 unit each.
Any zero or double zero is treated as a loss and the next spin is skipped to get
a new betting location.
I've actually played this way and it works very nicely - but "long term" testing shows
that at some point eventually it can go south.
I recorded a session for an example - 25.00 units, starting 3k and ending 6k
bankroll doubled in 126 spins.
Hope the info helps, if not - just ask.
Cheers
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@Turbo,
I've sended you a few emails last couple of days, would you be so kind to reply to them? Thanks.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 06, 03:10 PM 2018
peeps talk of RX, me know nothing about it.
Never mind, i See that you Have come out possitive on that session. I ment a loosing session after 148 spins, not a session that you Have won, thanks.
jekhb76........looks like you cannot lose in 148 spins ......very nice......
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 07, 01:35 AM 2018
jekhb76........looks like you cannot lose in 148 spins ......very nice......
Still waiting for the spins from our members.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 07, 01:50 AM 2018
Still waiting for the spins from our members.
I remember when you was really frustrated with solving this and knowing turbo wouldn’t help..
You seem now to be in his position and for the rest of us we are frustrated too..
Any pointers at all you can clearly give would be helpful I’ve read all your post and if anyone deserves it you do
Not many has said it but well done 👍
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 07, 01:50 AM 2018
Still waiting for the spins from our members.
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After 74 spins i'm up +384 units. I would Have call it a day! Lost 1884 units and won 2268 units.
Nice day i would Have. No need to carry on up to spin 105 you would Have had a Nice profit anyway.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 07, 02:11 AM 2018
I remember when you was really frustrated with solving this and knowing turbo wouldn’t help..
You seem now to be in his position and for the rest of us we are frustrated too..
Any pointers at all you can clearly give would be helpful I’ve read all your post and if anyone deserves it you do
Not many has said it but well done 👍
I' pretty sure i Have solved it, but not 100% sure. Until Turbo says so, but No Response from hit yet. But please understand that if i did solve it, i can't explaining it in detail because like i said before, that it not up to me. Turbo is the only one Who can do so.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 07, 04:46 AM 2018
I' pretty sure i Have solved it, but not 100% sure. Until Turbo says so, but No Response from hit yet. But please understand that if i did solve it, i can't explaining it in detail because like i said before, that it not up to me. Turbo is the only one Who can do so.
You could atleast post about how you played the spins. Just what numbers and what unit size.
Are you betting on many numbers at the same time jekhb76?
Quote from: boyd30 on Mar 07, 06:41 AM 2018
Are you betting on many numbers at the same time jekhb76?
All i can say is that i never bet the First 37 spins! And that i never set a stop/loss Point, only a Win goal.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 07, 04:19 AM 2018
showing the repeats
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Without goin' into much detail, look how many Times nr. 36 came out in spins 37-74???
come on buddy .....you went from discouraged to a shinning star......im sure some of us had done something to get your brain into overdrive......you know what i mean.....share a little more
Quote from: keepontryin on Mar 07, 07:29 AM 2018
come on buddy .....you went from discouraged to a shinning star......im sure some of us had done something to get your brain into overdrive......you know what i mean.....share a little more
Not some of you :wink: i Just happen to Read alot these days. :thumbsup:
Don't stop thinking within 37 spins. That's All for now. I know i Will get alot Trash over me, but like i said, it's not up to me, to reveal More info. Re-read All turbo's posts, here and on the other site and maybe it will become clear to you also.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 07, 07:39 AM 2018
Not some of you :wink: i Just happen to Read alot these days. :thumbsup:
Don't stop thinking within 37 spins. That's All for now. I know i Will get alot Trash over me, but like i said, it's not up to me, to reveal More info. Re-read All turbo's posts, here and on the other site and maybe it will become clear to you also.
This All i Will say about this subject, Turbo Will give more information when he is Will to. I Hope you can respect that. Have a great day.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 07, 07:23 AM 2018Without goin' into much detail, look how many Times nr. 36 came out in spins 37-74???
What about #27 so hot
at spin 102 profit +937
Variance is every system's killer !
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 07, 07:46 AM 2018
This All i Will say about this subject, Turbo Will give more information when he is Will to. I Hope you can respect that. Have a great day.
Don`t worry guys I am halfway there and when I find the other half I WILL SHARE ALL! :xd: :xd: :xd:
thata boy zero.......this is about sharing........and you got it right on zero
Quote from: ZERO on Mar 07, 08:16 AM 2018
Don`t worry guys I am halfway there and when I find the other half I WILL SHARE ALL! :xd: :xd: :xd:
C'mon zero, share your half with us
:lol:
QuoteAfter 74 spins i'm up +384 units. I would Have call it a day! Lost 1884 units and won 2268 units.
Nice day i would Have. No need to carry on up to spin 105 you would Have had a Nice profit anyway.
i do not think soo....you say that only because you got spins in front of you...if it was real play thing could have gone other way...
do not ever underestimate human greed :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
We got the info and results !
He dont bet before spin 37.
He made +384 after spin 74.....
Should be enough to figure it out right ? Now if he gave the progression too it would be really easy.
Btw ... TG doesnt wait 37 spins. And he has a win goal (his br or more) and he has a stop loss (his br)
Another thing about # that hit above average.... 1s in 37 spins is not above...2s in 74 spins is not above...etc..so dont play those. Just mention it :thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Mar 07, 09:52 AM 2018
We got the info and results !
He dont bet before spin 37.
He made +384 after spin 74.....
Just to add to what Denzie said: between spin 37 and spin 74 the numbers 34, 16, 26, 18 repeated for the 3rd time, the numbers 6, 1, 27 repeated for the 4th time and the numbers 36 and 3 repeated for the 5th time...
At spin 102 +928
After a hard start once 36 and 27 take off O0
Anyway off to the big game now,looking for a few goals and a Spurs win!
Quote from: denzie on Mar 07, 09:52 AM 2018
We got the info and results !
He dont bet before spin 37.
He made +384 after spin 74.....
Should be enough to figure it out right ? Now if he gave the progression too it would be really easy.
Btw ... TG doesnt wait 37 spins. And he has a win goal (his br or more) and he has a stop loss (his br)
Another thing about # that hit above average.... 1s in 37 spins is not above...2s in 74 spins is not above...etc..so dont play those. Just mention it :thumbsup:
I know Turbo doesn't wait 37 spins! It is Just what i do. If only i had a Time machine! :thumbsup:
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Mar 07, 11:33 AM 2018
At spin 102 +928
After a hard start once 36 and 27 take off O0
Anyway off to the big game now,looking for a few goals and a Spurs win!
:thumbsup: good luck
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 07, 06:59 AM 2018
All i can say is that i never bet the First 37 spins! And that i never set a stop/loss Point, only a Win goal.
We got u that how much u get it.
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Mar 07, 11:33 AM 2018
At spin 102 +928
After a hard start once 36 and 27 take off O0
Anyway off to the big game now,looking for a few goals and a Spurs win!
Look at this. He got it right. Close to his br with a big hit
Madi just now on MPR, start with 9875, holding its own, 4 hot #'s just hovering around start BR, 1 number has 75 unit then the crash, refresh shows #20 the number with 75 on it, come out go back and crash, so BR now 7785, mpr wont bother untill i see in suggestion MPR is fixed
Steve dont won't to hear the usual, ok
Quote from: Madi on Mar 07, 12:46 PM 2018
Look at this. He got it right. Close to his br with a big hit
To be honest here...this session was easy. And i would got at least 6hits with a 25$ chip on it :thumbsup:
If turbo writes down his system I will be willing to test it against 3 millions spins I got from a b&m casino in Germany
Will he?
How many times have you tested your system jekhb76? Or against how many spins (maybe better to say)?
HI TURBO !
I don't wish to mis-quote you, so could you confirm that the way you play works flat-bet?
I'm sure I read as such in one of your posts.
Cheers,
Dave
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 07, 11:57 AM 2018
:thumbsup: good luck
:thumbsup:
Gutted! Thought we played well but our lack of experience cost us the game. Oh well always the FA!
No better way to take your mind off things than roulette.
Enjoy trying to solve the Turbo puzzle but 102 spins too many for me in B&M 30/40 spins my limit, sat at home with coffee then yeah my take works well! Been working on what i call my american football roulette method and a split method both should be done within 40 spins.
Does anyone knows More about parx?
Does someone Have a link?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 08, 01:48 AM 2018
Does anyone knows More about parx?
Does someone Have a link?
link:s://:.parxonline.com/slots.shtml
Den
I'm back on the drawing board as they'd say.
I've forsaken MPR as to unreliable, untill the crashes are sorted forget it.
So here we are at R-simulator in ordinary game mode.
Had 3 tests ( meaningless data( but he can f--k off)) 2 have made easy profit the 1 loss was playing the idea in reverse way. I'm using a 1000 unit like MPR, as if he gets it sorted i'll be starting with a1000 units.
You can see 800 at spin 33 is that enough to stop, spin 34; +1502, i'd say TG has made it.
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Well that went good only 31 spins
I Have registers on parx, does anyone knows how i can See my leaderboard stat, when playing roulette royal ?
Thanks. Gonna sprint on Turbo 4th place! :wink:
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Well had the 37 spins, still ended up higher than the start, but at spin 94 you would take that +500
Now i'm really going to try it on, i'm going to increase those being bet to 50unit each, hope the BR can hold up
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well after 10 spins the 50 is to high, but then Den's 1's in 1st 37, then 2's in 74 woke up in me head, i should just bet the R2's at 25, so a correction made to stakes, less #'s, and that last spin i nearly didn't add that winning #, so new high.
Time to do what i say get off this stream off numbers
Got of to good start but those pesky non-hit kept coming, back to the drawing board.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 08, 05:53 AM 2018
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well after 10 spins the 50 is to high, but then Den's 1's in 1st 37, then 2's in 74 woke up in me head, i should just bet the R2's at 25, so a correction made to stakes, less #'s, and that last spin i nearly didn't add that winning #, so new high.
Time to do what i say get off this stream off numbers
Too many numbers on board isn't Always a bad thing. I once had over 25 numbers on board and still profit at the End. It's All about money management and bankroll that is the crossline between failure and winnings.
And. Good agressieve progression that Will Always stay within Table limits.
I believe in business intelligence, in order to capture an edge against the house, we should build a model which is stable and based on logical concept.
The model should be able to detect variance and give the player signal whether a bet is favourable or not.
By doing so we will reduce the effects of variance on the play.
Also, Time presure, astraction, greed, stay to your plan and stick with it all the way, i'm good Time and in bad Times.
Even with one of the Most horible betting System in roulette, you can win!
I Have learned so much the last couple of days that it don't Fits in my head anymore :wink: not perse how Turbo is playing (still waiting for awnsers) but roulette in General.
Just for the sake of tracking numbers, here is an REALLY TRIVIAL AND SIMPLE tracker: link:s://ayk.github.io/tracker/ (care as after page refresh all data is lost).
Every 37 spin the color in your results table will change (is helping me alot with finding "hotties").
For the purpose of TGs way, im not using any progression. As far as i can say with an 1-2-3 progression im always ending up in a gap of -250 - +400 units. Well, I will stick with 1 unit flat bets. As long as i dont get consistent wins with 1u, i will not have success with a progession. Ranging -50 - +90 Units flat ending between spin 50-100.
Cheers
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 07, 07:23 AM 2018
Without goin' into much detail, look how many Times nr. 36 came out in spins 37-74???
Just replay this how they would Have done playing repeaters 200 years ago!
Bet every number that Comes until in profit and reset, start again on next number. Once a hit and not in profit, raise only the hit one with the 1/5/25 progression. Once you Have a hit on a 25 chip number remove that bet.
Tell me how it went.
Bet on #21 from spin 24, 5hits in 89 spins. +91 Units (stopping to bet # after 8 hits)
Started backing up #21 with #3 from spin 74, 4 hits in 47 spins! +97 Units
Sum +188 units flatbetting 1 unit.
BTW look at #23 ;)
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Thank you for the tracker ayk, that's very good of you! :thumbsup:
Quote from: wiggy on Mar 08, 12:15 PM 2018
Thank you for the tracker ayk, that's very good of you! :thumbsup:
Your welcome, did some visual update. Feel free to download the source code, or just save the page as html to use it offline. It doesnt need any server.
Cheers
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 08, 05:19 AM 2018
I Have registers on parx, does anyone knows how i can See my leaderboard stat, when playing roulette royal ?
Thanks. Gonna sprint on Turbo 4th place! :wink:
Its in the drop down menu under your name. Cant remember what its called but basically you decide on a username that you cant change again in the future. Until you do this you will just appear as a guest.
Though TG isn't 4th at parx. Thats one of the other sims.
I wouldn't play royale until you have enough bankroll. Euro has smaller limits,
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 08, 10:13 AM 2018
I believe in business intelligence, in order to capture an edge against the house, we should build a model which is stable and based on logical concept.
The model should be able to detect variance and give the player signal whether a bet is favourable or not.
By doing so we will reduce the effects of variance on the play.
Have you guys treid the 87PERCENT app: link:://87percent.net/ it appears to have some of Turbo`s ideas incorporated with great money management.
I have had great results with it mostly by resetting after a hit that puts my balance at a new high...
Quote from: ZERO on Mar 09, 03:00 AM 2018I have had great results with it mostly by resetting after a hit that puts my balance at a new high...
Scorned up on, but many a roulette player should take note of what you posted, a person posted that,Take first profit way back in the KTF topic, good advice :thumbsup:
It really makes me Mad, when i send a few Nice emails and not one respons yet from Turbo. I Have expllained exactly what i was doin' regarding his System and asked if i was on the Right track or totaly off. Not one reply.
Or i'm really close or he doesn't care. Pfffff well atleats you can reply can't he?
AS turbo isn’t interested maybe you can make the management decision and let us know how you play
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 09, 10:06 AM 2018
It really makes me Mad, when i send a few Nice emails and not one respons yet from Turbo. I Have expllained exactly what i was doin' regarding his System and asked if i was on the Right track or totaly off. Not one reply.
Or i'm really close or he doesn't care. Pfffff well atleats you can reply can't he?
Begging email is not the solution.u r running around with very basic only. And saying people it up to turbo whether he reveal more info or not?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 07, 07:39 AM 2018
Not some of you :wink: i Just happen to Read alot these days. :thumbsup:
Don't stop thinking within 37 spins. That's All for now. I know i Will get alot Trash over me, but like i said, it's not up to me, to reveal More info. Re-read All turbo's posts, here and on the other site and maybe it will become clear to you also.
Really its not up to u? But u already revealed something which is not suitable for play or doesnt work. Plz dont make drama. U r not even 30% close. U dont need to tell anyone just make a steady graph of a million either on parx or rs . We ll get u.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 09, 10:06 AM 2018It really makes me Mad, when i send a few Nice emails and not one respons yet from Turbo. I Have expllained exactly what i was doin' regarding his System and asked if i was on the Right track or totaly off. Not one reply.
Or i'm really close or he doesn't care. Pfffff well atleats you can reply can't he?
I know people from "around the globe" surely don't keep up with my own local happenings....
Here's what you missed.
A Nor'easter came through and knocked out power for millions.
When it was finally restored, a few days later - another Nor'easter hit us.
Trees literally fell over from the snow and ice on them and were crashing
all around across streets, on power lines, on houses.
I literally had to get my family together and evacuate the house because of trees
constantly falling from all directions. Now (just within the hour) power has been
restored. (here). Look it up in the news as someone will say it's a story I just made up.
I'm sorry that my replies aren't as fast as "tech support" when you call your ISP
or when you order a pizza.
Maybe you can cut me a break and be PATIENT for a few fucking days, that would be
great.
No hard feelings, but hey - before you assume someone isn't interested in your contacts - that there are just maybe a few life threatening or serious (more serious than roulette) things going on in my life. Thanks. I'll reply with what I can - when I can. Cool ? :) Thanks.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Mar 09, 06:59 PM 2018
Hola, señor Turbo, espero que no haya sido nada grave lo que sucedió y que usted y su familia estén todos bien.
Yo también le escribà algo, pero cuando usted pueda ya me responde, no tengo prisa. Me gustarÃa saber si es posible que le diga por privado asta dónde e llegado sobre las pistas que usted a dado y si es lo correcto o cómo lo hace usted.
Cómo usted dice el contador geiger dice lo de las centensimas, decenas y milésimas y cada vez es más predecible,etc etc.
Creo que lo e pillado, incluso estoy seguro k también es posible hacer por ejemplo con sectores verdad?
Cómo le dije antes le agradezco muchÃsimo todas las pistas, llevo 10 años y aora tengo claro como si es posible ganar y todo gracias a su información y mi constancia por resolverlo.
Un gran saludo y que todos en su familia estén bien, que eso es lo más importante y principal
Can u write it in English? I hope u r not swearing.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 09, 05:50 PM 2018
I know people from "around the globe" surely don't keep up with my own local happenings....
Here's what you missed.
A Nor'easter came through and knocked out power for millions.
When it was finally restored, a few days later - another Nor'easter hit us.
Trees literally fell over from the snow and ice on them and were crashing
all around across streets, on power lines, on houses.
I literally had to get my family together and evacuate the house because of trees
constantly falling from all directions. Now (just within the hour) power has been
restored. (here). Look it up in the news as someone will say it's a story I just made up.
I'm sorry that my replies aren't as fast as "tech support" when you call your ISP
or when you order a pizza.
Maybe you can cut me a break and be PATIENT for a few f****** days, that would be
great.
No hard feelings, but hey - before you assume someone isn't interested in your contacts - that there are just maybe a few life threatening or serious (more serious than roulette) things going on in my life. Thanks. I'll reply with what I can - when I can. Cool ? :) Thanks.
now thats what i call class.......hope everything works out for everyone where you are....all the best
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 09, 05:50 PM 2018
I know people from "around the globe" surely don't keep up with my own local happenings....
Here's what you missed.
A Nor'easter came through and knocked out power for millions.
When it was finally restored, a few days later - another Nor'easter hit us.
Trees literally fell over from the snow and ice on them and were crashing
all around across streets, on power lines, on houses.
I literally had to get my family together and evacuate the house because of trees
constantly falling from all directions. Now (just within the hour) power has been
restored. (here). Look it up in the news as someone will say it's a story I just made up.
I'm sorry that my replies aren't as fast as "tech support" when you call your ISP
or when you order a pizza.
Maybe you can cut me a break and be PATIENT for a few f****** days, that would be
great.
No hard feelings, but hey - before you assume someone isn't interested in your contacts - that there are just maybe a few life threatening or serious (more serious than roulette) things going on in my life. Thanks. I'll reply with what I can - when I can. Cool ? :) Thanks.
Hi Turbo, i want to appogize for what i've said earlier. I didn't know that , about you personal problematiek, again i'm Sorry for reacting the way i did. Family Always First. Take care and be Safe.
Hey TG. Just a small question. Do you intend to switch your chosen number? Let's say my potential # hit 5 times, from which I catched 3 hits. Now in my 4th 37 spins cycle my chosen # "seams" to get "cold" and another # just hit 6th time before my chosen one. Does it make sense to change? Tested 10 sessions and both scenarios do well, as I usually see my 7th or 8th hit of 2 hottest # close together. Probably with 20 spins difference.
Cheers
Quote from: Madi on Mar 09, 03:58 PM 2018
Begging email is not the solution.u r running around with very basic only. And saying people it up to turbo whether he reveal more info or not?
I wasn't begging. I do Fine Without it, but i'm Just curious that's All. Because i'm following the method now for a very long time, i Just wanted to See how far i was, not More, nothing less.
Quote from: ayk on Mar 10, 10:00 AM 2018
Hey TG. Just a small question. Do you intend to switch your chosen number? Let's say my potential # hit 5 times, from which I catched 3 hits. Now in my 4th 37 spins cycle my chosen # "seams" to get "cold" and another # just hit 6th time before my chosen one. Does it make sense to change? Tested 10 sessions and both scenarios do well, as I usually see my 7th or 8th hit of 2 hottest # close together. Probably with 20 spins difference.
Cheers
The way i See it is to hold on to a Hot number for Max 37 spins, not More. As Long as a number keeps showing above expectation (More then 1 Time during a 37 spin cycle) i would Keep betting it, otherwise i would Let it go.
Quote from: celescliff on Aug 03, 02:26 PM 2017
Here are some stats. All these are individual sets of 10 million spins.
In 37 spins to expect a third hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with three hits: 265475 / 270270
Percentage: 98%
In 74 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with four hits: 135122 / 135135
Percentage: 99%
In 111 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with five hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%
In 111 spins to expect a sixth hit:
In 74 spins to expect a sixth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with six hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%
Quote from: celescliff on Aug 04, 10:43 AM 2017
Here you go cht, the ones you requested:
In 37 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with four hits: 134963 / 270270
Percentage: 49%
In 74 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with five hits: 122565 / 135135
Percentage: 90%
QuoteHere are some stats. All these are individual sets of 10 million spins.
where spins were taken from..thx
Don't know. Just bringing back up some stats that can be interesting to know.
where did you see original post ...thx
Quote from: probasah on Aug 05, 08:54 AM 2017
No. Definately you need to use the 37 spin cycles to start with. You are not restricted afterwards by anything else. Do not put hurdles in front of you.
Alex
Alex said it can work flatbet??
Quote from: maestro on Mar 11, 04:33 AM 2018
where did you see original post ...thx
In this thread. An earlier post.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 07, 08:03 AM 2017
The problem with this, and the whole premise that repeaters and hot numbers are better than betting randomly or on "cold" numbers, is that there is no reason why numbers which have hit once, twice, or X times will hit again while you're betting on them. Turbo doesn't seem to understand why it's not silly to bet on the numbers which haven't appeared, he says "why on earth would you?".
umm... because those numbers have the same chance of hitting as any others?
The faulty logic is that numbers which have hit will be more likely to hit again. That would be true if the outcomes were not random, but they are random. If you collect some spins and sort them hottest to coldest there is no tendency for those at the top of the list to hit more often than any further down the list. Numbers at the top can turn cold and numbers at the bottom can become hot, and there's no consistent pattern to it. This shouldn't be any big surprise given that outcomes are independent.
I wrote a program some years ago which tested many values of X, Y, and Z for the system: "bet on the numbers which have hit X times in the last Y spins, for z spins. X, Y and Z can take many values ranging from 1 to whatever you like. X can take the value zero too, meaning that there have been no hits in the last Y spins. Each value of X, Y, and Z represents a different system. It took a couple of days to get the results because there were thousands of systems, but in the end no system performed better than any other. Again, just what you would expect from the maths.
Bayes has a good point here.
QuoteBayes has a good point here.
he always does...
Quote from: TurboGenius on Oct 19, 06:14 PM 2017
The correct way to look at it is to do proper testing.
See the maximum drawdown and the current bankroll balance - once you've tested
enough spins.
If your max drawdown is 2k and your current bankroll is 20k - then you're fine.
If your current bankroll over many tested spins is still less then the biggest drawdown - don't continue on with that line of thinking.
As I said - my way doesn't require digging out of holes. There are drawdowns and yes it recovers every single time. As long as a numbers repeat - it can't lose.
It sounds so easy. Is it?
Quote from: boyd30 on Mar 11, 07:10 AM 2018If your max drawdown is 2k and your current bankroll is 20k - then you're fine.
The above is Turbo,
Boyd30 if you was to open a player accont at MPR, you'd have a 1000 units. Would 1,5,25 last a 1000 units?
So the ? is how many #'s you going to have in play.
I got to 10'000 units and lost the lot as wifey interupted the game, but i got back to 10'000 in a day using 1,5,25 but i only had 4 hot #'s.
I went on to get upto 25'000+ units and blew the lot as i used 5,25,50,100
I think, well could see as i could not increase to 125 unit as max was 100, i was trapped, all though the 4 hot kept hitting, the prog needed to go up, as couldn't, the BR was taking a hammering.
I lost the lot, but i carried on to see if it would turn around, answer NO.
Now the ? about MPR, i have since tried the 1,5,25 and everytime lost, so your telling me i just happen to keep running into the RFH, Hmm
this is where i'm now
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This is using just 4 hot #'s, as you see i have got back to 10'000+ with reset the BR, i need to get to around 13'000 units, then i think i'll have a win rate of 1.0
So i'll keep at it, but like the player name says MPR fucks you by crashing, i am not alone in this argument
Notto, I'm just re-reading this thread trying to understand better what Turbo says. Of course he doesn't reveal the details so it's a guessing game. I can only test in RX so I can't say for others. I test manually so it takes time. So far all failed.
Maybe play repeaters that hit within 8 spins? (just thinking out loud).
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57 spins using 5,10,15,25
Boyd
The time machine 38 spins, i'm lucky don't have that extra number, but i'd say the game was perfect to LOTT.
Now he says the #'s that showed twice- those 5 #'s would be a nice profit, but theres 25 to choose from, so how many are being bet from the 1st repeat.
I,perhaps i should, do not read everything posted, after a few replies i just start trying different ways, like you, perhaps i should look at the film, but nah,
i'll just use the 4 hottest.
Worked on Friday in the bookies and thats RNG.
Its like GUT i eventually got to read GUT but not all of it, i skipped thru some replies as you can see they are a load of shite. But Huck huckster, think thats their name posted good info, got a lot from them replies, like Den he gives good tips.
Ok
just left R-Sim posted in ROTT
now lets see if i can avoid the crash on MPR
Quote from: ozon on Feb 12, 04:10 PM 2018
I still think, with a good and clear wayis
Magic 8
I do not know if I played well.
I was waiting for this 8th repeater showed up and played only this one number, than hit 9th time, always end session. I used a positive progression 1/3/9
Just when hit next session was higher step.
My tests were not long because in this method you have to wait, I'm testing almost everything, unfortunately in BV rng, if there is waiting for it, I got all the time disconnections
But the results were really good, as someone has time, I recommend testing
This is only for rng.
I have tested a bit of this 8 Magic.I played it flatbetting in 35 spins and got some good result. But then I had a couple of bad result. The negative
thing is the waiting time.
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Used to aggressive prog was at 100 unit in no time, had to take units down, BR up and down like a whores knickers.
As Den says you can get back, so abandoned the game.
And guess what 4 spins only other player leaves and crashes
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not so aggressive, seems better
where's tuner to lock up this thread?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Mar 11, 12:33 PM 2018
where's tuner to lock up this thread?
keeping you monitored, must take all his time up
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you are funny guy, i dunno if i told you before that i like your excel files so much ... keep them up
First of all I hope my thought will be clearly understandable, as english is not my native language O0
Hi, my next question is related to geiger theory. My thoughts involving ROTT to the counter. For those who saw the sience video, for every ^x cycle, u know the geiger is ticking more and more constantly. So lets assume the first cycle is related to our full package of 37 numbers, In theory 66% of my numbers in avg should hit after 37 spins. For the sake of easiness I say 24 # hit and that completes my first digit. NOW, for my next cycle (second digit of geiger), I again apply ROTT, but only on hit numbers of my previouse cycle. I continue this over and over. That means for every "digit" the sum of hit # shrinks. Mathematically something like 37/38 * ROTT^x.
As an example lets say Im looking for all numbers which hit once. That would mean for an european table 37*(2/3)^1 (roughly 24 hits).
For numbers which hit 3 times 37*(2/3)^3 (11 hits)
And for the sake of hunting numbers which hit 8 times 37*(2/3)^8 (1,44 so 1 number!)
What this means is I assume after 8 cycles, only ONE! number of my starting 37 numbers will repeat 8 times (in theory).
I dont know if my theory makes sense, but I like the idea.
Cheers
Quote from: ayk on Mar 12, 04:20 AM 2018
First of all I hope my thought will be clearly understandable, as english is not my native language O0
Hi, my next question is related to geiger theory. My thoughts involving ROTT to the counter. For those who saw the sience video, for every ^x cycle, u know the geiger is ticking more and more constantly. So lets assume the first cycle is related to our full package of 37 numbers, In theory 66% of my numbers in avg should hit after 37 spins. For the sake of easiness I say 24 # hit and that completes my first digit. NOW, for my next cycle (second digit of geiger), I again apply ROTT, but only on hit numbers of my previouse cycle. I continue this over and over. That means for every "digit" the sum of hit # shrinks. Mathematically something like 37/38 * ROTT^x.
As an example lets say Im looking for all numbers which hit once. That would mean for an european table 37*(2/3)^1 (roughly 24 hits).
For numbers which hit 3 times 37*(2/3)^3 (11 hits)
And for the sake of hunting numbers which hit 8 times 37*(2/3)^8 (1,44 so 1 number!)
What this means is I assume after 8 cycles, only ONE! number of my starting 37 numbers will repeat 8 times (in theory).
I dont know if my theory makes sense, but I like the idea.
Cheers
Sounds interesting. Please Keep goin' on your tests, Who knows what you May find, or how this can be addapted in a real play. Thanks for thinking with us. Have a great day.
Was Turbo taking the piss with the giger counter film
Can't speak for Turbo, but I would say no! I am pretty certain he wasn't. In fact, you only need to look at all your stats to see that there are a lot of things in roulette that seem to tally up fairly accurately on a regular basis.
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Wiggy i've never watched it, having watched the film do you see anyway it would help to find the repeats on the graph
No i didnt got anything in that vedio just saying it is predictable. The way they r predicting will not help in gambling.
I remember studying that chart Notto along with the numbers provided on the other site and I thought they were a few mistakes because I couldn't understand how one or two numbers were not bet. Regarding the video, I think everyone is going to come to different conclusions and what it means to them depending on their own experiences and what's the flavour of the month in their research. I think the gaps can play a very important part regarding bet selection on a few different levels.
This chart here comprises of up to 2 cycles on the left. (spins 1-74) and just the second cycle (spins 38-74) on the right. The orange indicates a gap of less than 10 spins and then the red indicates a further gap of less than 10 spins. Someone could play 4 of these orange numbers for 9 spins = 36 chips before upping the ante kind of like the way we all think Turbo does it. I find it interesting how a lot of the hits cluster around a few numbers. It's like little clusters warming up and they often do it pretty much according to the known stats. Looking at it all like this is far more interesting for me than just wondering what's the 'magic' progression.
cheers
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Quote from: wiggy on Mar 13, 07:03 PM 2018Someone could play 4 of these orange numbers for 9 spins = 36 chips before upping the ante kind of like the way we all think Turbo does it.
Wiggy this is using the 4 hottest, i gave consideration to BR, i worked the prog to keep BR as close to start of 3000, as the BR grew could start the prog with a higher unit
I'll clear as few points.
1. Turbo told me he was creating a MPR test account, and serious account to rank well. His "serious" MPR account ranked reasonably well for a little while, but like every other account, he eventually tanked. Soon after he declared he wasn't going to play there anymore. He then focused on Parx and RS where he had better results. Turbo explains his negative results on MPR were because he wasn't using his best system, including in his serious account in which he attempted to rank high.
2. Turbo's reasoning for later not playing on MPR is that I record bets and might discover his system. MPR logs only basic data such that is not easily used to reverse engineer a system. But he plays at RS where the full session showing everything he does is recorded and can be replayed by the admin as a video.
It's not hard to figure it out.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 09:12 PM 2018I'll clear as few points.
I'm done wasting my time with you.
Enjoy your nonsense.
Remember folks -
"If you win consistently, it's rigged.
If you lose - then you played a fair game and lost like you should.
Roulette computers work magic and Wobbling wheels will make you rich too."
Why do I bother wasting my time on these places. I have better things to do.
Maybe a forum will appear one day where people can learn from one another - instead of how they are now, where it's "him against me, me against him". What nonsense.
Someone shoot me a email when such a place appears, thanks.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 13, 09:52 PM 2018Enjoy your nonsense.
What nonsense? Aren't these both your accounts from MPR? Both with win rate below 1. Ranked 64 and 673.
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Do you really expect everyone to believe you played over 2600 spins to deliberately lose? If you were winning, you wouldn't have moved to Parx.
QuoteIf you win consistently, it's rigged.
But you don't win consistently. See above. The only place you appear to be winning is Parx, which is mathematically guaranteed to give players an edge. And RS, where lots of people seem to have the HG.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 13, 09:52 PM 2018Roulette computers work magic and Wobbling wheels will make you rich too
Well they are the only approach I know that can get a 150% edge. Does your bet selection do this with flat bets?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 13, 09:52 PM 2018Maybe a forum will appear one day where people can learn from one another
Ok so we should shut up and accept your word that Parx is not rigged, and ignore the very clear proof it is rigged?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 13, 09:52 PM 2018instead of how they are now, where it's "him against me, me against him". What nonsense.
Any good forum has a balance of information, and what you call "naysayers", who know better and can weed bullshit - and substantiate it with verifiable fact. You call it "nonsense".
Also you expect people to believe you wont play MPR (where you're losing) because... I might steal your system.
But you gladly play at RS where the admin can see VIDEO RECORDINGS of your sessions.
And you expect people to believe you waste weeks with FUN money instead of playing for real.
Would YOU believe it, if anyone else made such claims?
On top of all that, your claims about how your system works are all backwards and contradictory.
I'm not an asshole Turbo, I'm just being realistic and honest. If your system really worked and everything indicated this was likely, rather than the opposite, I would say it and congratulate you. But unfortunately every indication is that your system does not work, and you are misleading people.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 10:19 PM 2018But unfortunately every indication is that your system does not work, and you are misleading people.
Not to worry, I'm done posting.
As I just said at the other forum, my casino results will speak volumes and then
excuses can be made as to how I somehow won.
The game has been beaten - I intend to display that with results and then enjoy the accomplishment.
There's no need to continue posting on the topic - others are working hard on it
I see and they'll do just fine as a few have paid attention to what I've posted.
The nonsense will also continue from others and I have no reason to be a part of it any further.
Cheers.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 13, 10:56 PM 2018
Not to worry, I'm done posting.
As I just said at the other forum, my casino results will speak volumes and then
excuses can be made as to how I somehow won.
The game has been beaten - I intend to display that with results and then enjoy the accomplishment.
There's no need to continue posting on the topic - others are working hard on it
I see and they'll do just fine as a few have paid attention to what I've posted.
The nonsense will also continue from others and I have no reason to be a part of it any further.
Cheers.
Well said.
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Quote from: Steve on Mar 13, 09:12 PM 2018But he plays at RS where the full session showing everything he does is recorded and can be replayed by the admin as a video
Now thats a decent sentence from you
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 13, 09:52 PM 2018Someone shoot me a email when such a place appears, thanks.
Be waste of an E-mail you don't reply
Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 13, 10:56 PM 2018The nonsense will also continue from others
yes that idiot Sir anyone
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Steve this is using progression suggested by Turbo, might not be 100% his way but look at the win rate, like he says if BR grows can use a more aggressive prog.
At start 1,5,25 to big, small start, look where it can get you.
Even RS the posted game is working the prog, perhaps some of those sheep could come back, not 2 thou, old sir anyone and DUH, might as well bury those two, how does DUH say "dickbrains",
Rare event got today.
74 spin didnt pass 3s. Not only once. Back to back two times. Fucked up totally. :question:
post the 74 spins more than one way to skin a cat
Quote from: Madi on Mar 14, 06:02 AM 2018
Rare event got today.
74 spin didnt pass 3s. Not only once. Back to back two times. f***** up totally. :question:
You can't rely on rare events because the proportion of times they happen to the amount risked means you still lose.
You can delay the inevitable with progression, but the vast majority of players still have the same result.
You cant try to Just win in your lifetime of spins because that approach leads to potential big loss. There might be 10 players who profit a combined $50,000 plus the one poor player that loses $55,000.
Also it seems RS has a minimum outside bet if $1 and maximum of $20,000.
How is that a simulation? A real casino would be stupid to have such broad table limits. It enables extended progressions that could lose them a lot, even if spins were totally random. This is another likely cause of RS having so many large winners. All a player needs to do is reset their rated games, and try again.
You can't do that with MPR. Why should be obvious. And the table limits are much more realistic.
RS has its place but RX is a much better option for testing. And for proving your system on a level field, MPR is more the simulation.
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post the 74 spins more than one way to skin a cat
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When those r delivered means its finished. When u know those spin before u can win even playing red black. I was playing repeater but failed that time. I feel peace in mind when i lose flat bet. But progression always hurt me.
MPR is time cosuming. I can finish 37 spin in 7 mins in RS. I understand u tried to make it as real casino condition but for me its big time.
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perhaps some of those sheep could come back, not 2 thou, old sir anyone and DUH, might as well bury those two, how does DUH say "dickbrains",
This one doesn't need any help! O0
Yes MPR is time consuming. And RS is time consuming too. Neither is a good option to test your system. RX is better if you code and test far more spins in seconds.
But before testing a system, test the working principle that changes the odds. If you dont change odds, you change nothing.
Hi wiggy
just finished on R-sim, Turbs says take 3000, win +3000
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I could have got there quicker, but i miss counted the unit, thought i was on 20, but when the win come i was still below the previous high, realised i was on 10, but it played like a dream, suppose old sir anyone will now post a dreaming pic, what a cunt, sorry members but thats what he is
steeeve 2 rounds no more than 125 spins.
EF-bet with mort shows in spins 11-40; 30 spins on average 15 of the remaining 37 non-hit come, so the other 15 are repeats.
So if you watch the trot you only need 1 win, re-set, you're not playing thousands or millions of spins.
How you program lets call it a watched random bet, what parameters would you code
oh yeah i forgot meaningless short data :thumbsup: got it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
here is the sheet i used for the 124 spins, unlike wiggy i dont use spin positions,
Reverse engineer that
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Trot?? Its in your head. Do proper testing.
Ask anyone with real experience. You are talking useless short term data. You'd do just as good or bad with random bet selection.
Need proof? Just test your bet selection accuracy over more spins. Or is more spins not needed.... because like you'll never play that many spins? Yes more data is bad.
all this should be very old news to everyone. Unfortimately its not.
And caleb may be a c**t but I agree with almost everything he says. Fact is not a matter of opinion.
what suits your boat
Sorry, guys, but I'm about to burst a few bubbles. Most guys including Turbo are dragging around a trailer-load of myths, delusions, and outright fabrications about females, roulette, casino etc. We think we're experts. We think we know everything. Unfortunately, we're wrong. Time to get the facts straight.
cant wait to see your play.........can you show us your fantastic results like turbo did.......actual play........or just all say
QuoteWe think we know everything. Unfortunately, we're wrong
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Quote from: TurboGenius on Mar 13, 09:52 PM 2018
I'm done wasting my time with you.
Enjoy your nonsense.
Remember folks -
"If you win consistently, it's rigged.
If you lose - then you played a fair game and lost like you should.
Roulette computers work magic and Wobbling wheels will make you rich too."
Why do I bother wasting my time on these places. I have better things to do.
Good that you finally realised this - ie. the purpose of this thread. Better late than never. :thumbsup:
Maybe a forum will appear one day where people can learn from one another - instead of how they are now, where it's "him against me, me against him". What nonsense.
Someone shoot me a email when such a place appears, thanks.
No proof is good enough in online environment.
"him against me, me against him" is motive driven, mostly by rc and broken wheels players.
About repeaters, it can win flat bet. Thanks to you.
Quote from: cht on Mar 14, 08:49 PM 2018
"him against me, me against him" is motive driven,
When u claim fully but only provide half evidence people must chase u for sure. They dont eat grass. Better u keep ur egg in ur sack. No claim no evidence.
Quote from: Madi on Mar 14, 09:50 PM 2018
When u claim fully but only provide half evidence people must chase u for sure. They dont eat grass. Better u keep ur egg in ur sack. No claim no evidence.
I use to get irked by dumbfarks who make claims, still do actually. And we all know those dumbfarks are active on this forum making claims as usual but who cares.
However, this no proper evidence
is not applied on an even keel - that's the real obvious problem ofc driven by motive.
There's a difference between making a claim that's bragging about one's results with marketing/scamming intentions and sharing a potential - convince yourself, no one can provide proper enough evidence for you.
Harping no proper evidence is marketing/scamming in reverse.
So this cauldron of marketing/scamming mix comes in all shapes and form easily fooling the sucker - that's this forum anyway.
Sharing of ideas become the victim in between.
error post :)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 31, 09:19 PM 2017
I actually have something else important to do but I did say I would explain it again so here we are.
I'll use another example but you'll have to use your imagination for some parts, don't worry - it will make sense when you're done reading.
We walk up after someone plays a session of 38 spins (0/00 wheel)
Lucky for us we can see every spin that happened in that session.
(I'll just run these off RNG just for the sake of explanation)
13 numbers never appeared
17 numbers showed up once
5 numbers showed up twice
1 number showed up three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
I can simplify this if it helps :
13 numbers never appeared.
25 numbers showed up at least once
8 of those numbers showed up at least twice
3 of those numbers showed up at least three times
2 numbers showed up four times.
But anyway - either way it's the same.
So I look at you and say "If you could go back in time and play these same spins, what would you do ?" and here I have a time machine (how convenient - I told you there's some imagination here)
Now you're going to give me some obvious answers I hope ?
You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers
exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
So what kind of money would you put on them ?
Well, common sense would tell you that they all make profit regardless - but my time machine isn't going to be around in the future so you're going to have to make some choices.
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.
So all of this makes sense - and the naysayers can say "well we don't have a time machine".
And guess what - you don't need one.
I made this clear in other posts - those numbers that appeared 4 times were numbers that had appeared 3 times.
Those numbers that appeared 3 times were only numbers that appeared 2 times
and the numbers that appeared 2 times were only numbers that appeared once.
All of the numbers that never appeared ? They never appeared.......
Use the same logic on the next 38 spins that you don't know.... correct ? It's not rocket science.
You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct.
You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
Steve rightly said that systems are useless.. "If accuracy of bet selection doesn't increase, no progression can consistently win."
Now your accuracy just increased (and greatly).
As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
You can test this - it's not hard to do. I did it at the other forum as an example.
Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
You can continue this on for quite a while.
The "house edge" on a 38 pocket wheel is 2 numbers.
If you play every number on the table for 38 spins, you will be down 2 units - this is the house edge.
However - if you play every number Except for the last 2 numbers that end up appearing (this could be 150 spins or more ? it varies) You never play at the house edge at all.
For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.
Thanks for reading, I can only hope this sinks in - and if not then you're on your own.
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Thanks for this .No BS here
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30; 0x's left is 1st profit on ?
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course it was; larger group.
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Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
I'm afraid this is nonsense.
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For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
I have. Look at the thread "Turbo's Repeaters Simulation." Try the program. Enter 38 in response to "How many numbers?" See for yourself.
I have ran a version where it totals up 100 trials and a typical outcome is -1000 !!
(I wouldn't want anyone to lose money.)
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Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
I'm afraid this is nonsense.
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For those who want to test things - there's where to begin.
I have. Look at the thread "Turbo's Repeaters Simulation." Try the program. Enter 38 in response to "How many numbers?" See for yourself.
I have ran a version where it totals up 100 trials and a typical outcome is -1000 !!
(I wouldn't want anyone to lose money.)
Please read what I said (again) and then consider fixing your test program.
I just fired up RX - here's what happened : (as I'm making this post)
Spins 1-37 (euro wheel)
1 unit every number for every spin = -37 units = net% -2.70 (house edge)
1 unit every number only once it appears = +100 units = net% +21.01 (not house edge)
1 unit every number only once it repeats = -1 unit = net% -0.69 (not house edge)
I have nothing against constructive criticism - but if you aren't testing what I said,
then you can't really give an opinion.
+21.01% player's edge and -0.69% house edge are NOT equal to -2.70% house edge.
At no point would this end up being -1000 "typically" or otherwise over 100 trials.
Your own error makes it "nonsense" indeed.
@winner - great post up there :)
thanks turbo ........wow.....it really is simple........to bad for some.....hows that saying go...you cant see the forest because of the trees........turbo again thanks
Quote from: Turbo on Mar 28, 11:16 AM 2018You wouldn't bet a single thing on the 13 numbers that never appeared (why on earth would you ?)
Actually those 13 numbers will hit next the same amount of times as any other 13 numbers. Turbo's approach has many holes. This is just one of them.
Quote from: Turbo on Mar 28, 11:16 AM 2018You "could" bet on the numbers that showed up only once - but you would lose on those numbers exactly at the house edge - so a bit silly of an idea. But that's up to you.
And betting any of other numbers gives you the house edge too.
Quote from: Turbo on Mar 28, 11:16 AM 2018You Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker. You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those. And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
And again, those "repeaters" will spin again soon as often as any other number, whether it's hot or cold. This is really old news again.
Quote from: Turbo on Mar 28, 11:16 AM 2018You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
It sounds logical, but it's incorrect.
Let's consider betting on the number with 3 repeats so far. You are betting higher because you expect this number is most likely to show 4 times in the cycle. Does it?... well it's already at 3 repeats, so it has a higher chance of others of making 4. But have you changed the odds of winning on this number anytime soon? NO. It still has a 1 in 37 chance each spin - exactly the same as other numbers. So Turbo your approach just wont work. You are stuck at 1 in 37.
Quote from: Turbo on Mar 28, 11:16 AM 2018You can say "There's no way of knowing the next spin..." and that is correct. You can say "There's no way of knowing that a number with 1 show is going to be a number that has 2 or more shows" - and that is correct. BUT - the only numbers that will have 2 shows are numbers that appeared once. See ?
You are forgetting that you are stuck at 1 in 37. You are forgetting sometimes your system will be wrong, and a 3-time repeater wont turn to 4. How often is it wrong? You'll find exactly as is expected with the odds being 1 in 37. So your bet selection method changed NOTHING.
Quote from: Turbo on Mar 28, 11:16 AM 2018As a matter of fact - by NOT betting on numbers that never show you are no longer playing/winning/losing at the house edge.
Really big mistake. Hot numbers spin soon just as often as cold numbers.
Quote from: Turbo on Mar 28, 11:16 AM 2018Play every number on the table for 38 spins - you'll end at the house edge. Play every number on the table but only once it shows - you won't end at the house edge.
Play every number on the table but only after it shows twice - again - you won't win/lose at the house edge.
So here you're saying the HG is bet more on repeaters, and you have an edge. But that doesn't work.
I understand what your system attempts to do, but it doesn't work. Your system will have bet selection that is sometimes wrong. That "slight inaccuracy" is what the house edge is: -2.7%.
You say you never lose, which is bullshit. You lost on MPR because it is a realistic simulation. On RS you have ridiculous table limits, and Parx is mathematically rigged to give players an edge - a fact you still deny.
Anywhere "fair" I've seen your approach demonstrated ends in loss.
And your theories about how to achieve accurate bet selection are easily debunked.
All that's left is you allude to some last secret being the last piece of the puzzle. But in fact you already laid out everything important, and the approach doesn't work.
All anyone needs to do is check how many times a number will spin after it has spun 2 or 3 times recently. No change in the odds/frequency? Then you can see the approach doesn't work. That's why casinos freely give you repeaters and hot number stats.
Turbo, according to your theory,
repeaters are more likely to spin again in a 37 spin cycle.So then at least a variant of the HG is this: Track a 37 spin cycle. Start betting on any number that repeats in the 37 spin cycle. Increase the bet size by +1 unit with each repeat.
According to what you said, this will work. You said:
QuoteYou Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up twice - those 5 numbers would be a nice profit maker.
You Most Certainly would bet on the numbers that showed up three times ! - very nice profit from those.
And you would be a fool not to bet on the numbers that showed up four times !
You'll bet a minimal amount on the numbers that had 1 show
You'd bet more on the 2 show numbers
You'd bet even more on the 3 show numbers and
You'd bet a LOT on the 4 show numbers... This is a aggressive progression
and you're not worried because with the time machine you can't lose.
The only thing undefined is the progression. But since you already have an edge from the bet selection, a simple test with +1 progression would show an edge.
Have I made a mistake here? If so, where?
:yawn:
Quote from: Steve on Apr 03, 10:09 PM 2018
Turbo, according to your theory, repeaters are more likely to spin again in a 37 spin cycle.
So then at least a variant of the HG is this: Track a 37 spin cycle. Start betting on any number that repeats in the 37 spin cycle. Increase the bet size by +1 unit with each repeat.
According to what you said, this will work. You said:
The only thing undefined is the progression. But since you already have an edge from the bet selection, a simple test with +1 progression would show an edge.
Have I made a mistake here? If so, where?
A +1 progression Will never work. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Apr 03, 10:09 PM 2018
Turbo, according to your theory, repeaters are more likely to spin again in a 37 spin cycle.
So then at least a variant of the HG is this: Track a 37 spin cycle. Start betting on any number that repeats in the 37 spin cycle. Increase the bet size by +1 unit with each repeat.
According to what you said, this will work. You said:
The only thing undefined is the progression. But since you already have an edge from the bet selection, a simple test with +1 progression would show an edge.
Have I made a mistake here? If so, where?
He gave us how to win right there now go make money.
Or use your computers to test the crap out of what he's saying. There is nothing more to say
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 04, 04:08 PM 2018
:yawn:A +1 progression Will never work. :thumbsup:
If what turbo says is true, then it would. Why? Because he claims to change the odds.
Its not a debate. The math is clear. You just dont understand it.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 04, 04:58 PM 2018
If what turbo says is true, then it would. Why? Because he claims to change the odds.
Its not a debate. The math is clear. You just dont understand it.
Steve, please learn to Read.
Turbo isn't playing his System flatbet.
Because if you do, you would be chasing losses.
Turbo said:
The aggressive progression not only covers the numbers that appear "at average" if you choose to play them - it boosts your profits beyond flat betting and does not involve chasing a loss or digging out of a hole - it's not a negative progression, it's a positive one based on wins.
Playing repeaters, won't win flatbetting. Only with An agressive progression and a healthy bankroll. More then 3000 units is needed.
It's All about what is goin' to happen in the future! The only thing of importance that i need to know is that 0x Will be 1x and 2x Will be 3x etc etc.
I don't need to know when that event is goin' to happen, only that it will happen. It is so simple :sad2:
jek its you who doesnt understand. If a system doesnt win with flat bets, progression only compounds losses.
Turbos system relies on progression, not changing odds. Just because he says something doesnt mean its true. besides he has contradicted himself many times. Dont be so gullible, and do basic math.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 04, 06:23 PM 2018
jek its you who doesnt understand. If a system doesnt win with flat bets, progression only compounds losses.
Turbos system relies on progression, not changing odds. Just because he says something doesnt mean its true. besides he has contradicted himself many times. Dont be so gullible, and do basic math.
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Flat bet will never win.
QuoteIt's All about what is goin' to happen in the future!
Yes indeed. I agree. Looking toward the future our expectation is that each of the repeats should hit 1/37, and the expectation that each of the non hitters should hit 1/37.
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Now, here's the million dollar question.
Why should a repeater hit more frequently than a number that hasn't hit in the random game if the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next? I'd love it if someone would attempt to answer the question using some logic and sound reasoning for a change, rather than talking about the Wright Brothers, the speed of light, and oxymorons.
Quote from: The General on Apr 05, 06:06 AM 2018
Yes indeed. I agree. Looking toward the future our expectation is that each of the repeats should hit 1/37, and the expectation that each of the non hitters should hit 1/37.
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Now, here's the million dollar question. Why should a repeater hit more frequently than a number that hasn't hit in the random game if the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next? I'd love it if someone would attempt to answer the question using some logic and sound reasoning for a change, rather than talking about the Wright Brothers, the speed of light, and oxymorons.
Hi Napoleon :wink:
You are right about the expectation 1/37. But we don't bet on numbers (well atleast i'm not) that are performing within their expectation.
I'm only play numbers that are performing above their expectation. Why? Well not because they Have More change to hit then any other numbers on the wheel, but because i Have less numbers to choose from. If i would bet 3 cycles of spins Every number, i would loose my entire bankroll, because the House Edge Will win every cycle. If i reduce my betpossition to only the numbers that operating above expectation i Will End at the House Edge, i won't loose nor win.
If i play all numbers that are performing above their expectation and i use An agressive possitive progression, i Will Always End my session above expectation and above the House Edge. The wonderful thing of playing like this is also that your betting opportunities Will be lesser and lesser along the way. And because a number needs to repeat at some Point, i Always win, only if i use An agressive progression that is.
I Just don't know why it is so hard for everyone to understand. :question:
This has nothing to do how Turbo is playing by the way. This is Just about comon sense. :yawn:
Why on earth would you bet on a number that hasn't showed itself?
Why on earth would you play a number that hasn't repeated itself? With the change that you Will loose alot of money when the first repeater Will knock on your door after More then 20 spins.?
If you understand this then you are closer to the awnser then you might think. Now Back to you geraldo :lol:
jek, those repeaters will hit at 1 in 37. You are expecting the hot numbers to continue hitting above expectation in the future. This doesnt happen. Look closely so you dont waste more time.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 05, 06:55 AM 2018
jek, those repeaters will hit at 1 in 37. You are expecting the hot numbers to continue hitting above expectation in the future. This doesnt happen. Look closely so you dont waste more time.
Steve, you also don't understand :question:
I'm tired of explaining myself over and over again.
Do me a favour and test this;
Bet every number that repeats itself, and after a hit, remove it (it won't be back for this example). Everytime a number repeats, add it to your list (only if it is a new number). After 37 spins, you Will See that some repeaters didn't hit again for the third Time. Now we place 2 units on each and from now on on every new repeater that comes along. (Remember, only new numbers that didn't repeat their selfs in the past. Stop when in profit. Or after 3 sessions of 37 spins. At spin 74 use +3.
If you are done, Tell me what you Have found out.
i used a system just like that before. And it eventually tanked because I wasnt winning enough. I was still at 1 in 37.
The profits you are getting are short term, and can be achieved with even the martingale. And when you lose, you give back winnings plus more.
Ive played many different variants of the same approach. It doesnt work because you are still stuck at 1 in 37. I think i do understand.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 05, 07:30 AM 2018
i used a system just like that before. And it eventually tanked because I wasnt winning enough. I was still at 1 in 37.
The profits you are getting are short term, and can be achieved with even the martingale. And when you lose, you give back winnings plus more.
Ive played many different variants of the same approach. It doesnt work because you are still stuck at 1 in 37. I think i do understand.
I know it will tank. It was Just a question, what did you find out?
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Apr 05, 09:17 AM 2018
I do not agree with Mr. Steve, I will not do it the right way, I think I'm one of the only ones who do not have a deal with the turbo because he never answers me and I'm the only one who does it, like dice, hay have a little imagination
Many in this forum say they know they do not know, because if they knew, they would not say you can not win, because it is clear that what they do. Turbo is nuclear physics combined with progression, but even without progression in many moments is surprising. .
regards
That translation is very bad....
Quote from: The General on Apr 05, 06:06 AM 2018Why should a repeater hit more frequently than a number that hasn't hit in the random game if the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next?
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Good old Gut that you, well we know what you did, Cee U Next Tuesday
As you see, 9/10 most common for spins 1-10, thats 10 individual spins
Spins 11-20; 7, +2
spins 21-30; 12,+2 oh look 7,5 if the expected 15 non-hit and 15 repeats in spin 11-40 its right on track to average at your 1 spin at a time
Look at spins 31-40; 2 non-hit of the next 3 to get too 15 non-hit
Shame we'll never know as i left with the winnings, all at this 1/37
Notto,
A short term fluctuation is proof to you? Seriously?
The GUT isn't any kind of proof. Besides, what you're attempting to say is that binomial distribution is proof that it can work. Unfortunately this isn't true. Binomial distribution/basic probability say the opposite. They say that there will indeed be some repeaters. HOWEVER...they basically say that there WON"T be enough numbers hitting to overcome the house edge because of the extra one or two tooooo many numbers on the wheel. It's the same reason that you can't use the mYsTeriOusLy LaW of 1 in 37 because the house only pays 35 to 1.
What about the numbers that hit early but then stop hitting all together? Your curve fitting models seem to conveniently overlook those numbers. ::) (And the're absurdly small samples)
Guys, you can't just side step probability by observing it. You must do something to improve the accuracy of your predictions.
I dont rely on LOTT i just use the 15 to come whether thats non-hit or a repeat.
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You two buffoons need to learn how to read the trot, if Winkel can, i certainly can, so in time, well maybe you could, but thats a big maybe
Quote from: The General on Apr 05, 02:52 PM 2018
Guys, you can't just side step probability by observing it. You must do something to improve the accuracy of your predictions.
Alright. Teach us :thumbsup:
Den pitch up your tent and watch a wheel for a million spins, then when you found its got a bias, they'll move that wheel and the General will have made you waste your time.
Whilst you're watching if 32 or 31 or even 21 show just bet there colour you might have to go 6 times but it has not lost, shall i say yet :lol:
Quote from: The General on Apr 05, 02:52 PM 2018
Notto,
A short term fluctuation is proof to you? Seriously?
The GUT isn't any kind of proof. Besides, what you're attempting to say is that binomial distribution is proof that it can work. Unfortunately this isn't true. Binomial distribution/basic probability say the opposite. They say that there will indeed be some repeaters. HOWEVER...they basically say that there WON"T be enough numbers hitting to overcome the house edge because of the extra one or two tooooo many numbers on the wheel. It's the same reason that you can't use the mYsTeriOusLy LaW of 1 in 37 because the house only pays 35 to 1.
What about the numbers that hit early but then stop hitting all together? Your curve fitting models seem to conveniently overlook those numbers. ::) (And the're absurdly small samples)
Guys, you can't just side step probability by observing it. You must do something to improve the accuracy of your predictions.
the accuracy of our predictions is when we play repeaters! As Long as you play the numbers that are performing above expectation you are on the Right track .
If people are struggling why repeats are not hitting as expected just an idea becouse of the gaps then why not gather all 2nd repeats in 36 spins then just bet against them till in profit?
That's still 1 in 37 odds. Nothing has changed. Its exactly the same as random bets.
Cannot disagree with you there whatsoever..I did mean 1st repeat not second was using the awesome ayk tracker...
Just shows as with nottys sheets that amount of 1 repeats from 36 spins are not hitting like turbo says even over the course of 111 spins..
Not all of them become hot and only a few do
Bearing that in mind that it’s not working and betting against them the rest of the spins seems plausible
And yes it’s still odds in 1 in 37
And if a number has hit more than it should in its cycle as you say why would it keep hitting because of that?
Yes I know the reply
1 in 37
But yet people have done test and cannot fathom out how to work the repeats maybe that’s why turbo likes random as much as possible for the numbers to realign to there cyclical orders
But totally agree 1 in 37 no getting away from that
But you do get games like this and if like Eddy take 1st profit
yesterday now the dust has settled :lol:
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Then todays 1st cycle looks like this
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The other two cycles are there but its not for me, just watch from spin 11
Lots of hits there notty but if we ignore zero in the repeats there’s 10 repeating numbers there and from spin 37 to 40 we would have bet 4 times against ..won 3 lost one gives plus 4 ..
Wish every sheet was like this one
In reality an average of ten numbers bet against makes it
just under 3 to 1 flatbetting ...
Just using the 1st set of repeats any others through the game can be ignored
Now maths would dictate that these repeats would have to keep hitting in that ratio to lose with zero against you too
So in the rest of the 111 spins take away the 36 original spins that gives us 75 spins left of game
Would 23 of them be repeats on every session of any or a combination of the original repeats from 1st session?
If it was it would be a winning system all along
Not tested all your sheets as they are everywhere..you should just do a thread just to post everyone of them there
Question is do they contain more winning sheets than losing ones flatbetting
6TH
our tracker, you have got it i presume.
Just why you watch.
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checkpoint shows spin 60; 31; 0x's what does Mort's avg give for spin 60,
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So 1 more 0x in 20 spins, if you have any data on 0x;29 you'd now be watching, 9; 0x's to bet at your decision.
Here is some data on 0x; 29. For the fun of it also 0x; 30
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Now decision, you see the avg to hit and the known max, wait 4 spins? then bet, do you know how many bets you could cover, where i play 14 spins, so 4 +14= 18 spins, when did it last go to 17 spins?
Quotethe accuracy of our predictions is when we play repeaters! As Long as you play the numbers that are performing above expectation you are on the Right track .
Jekh,
Why would a repeater be more likely to hit again than a number that has not hit at all in the random game??? ::)
Quote from: The General on Apr 06, 05:07 AM 2018
Jekh,
Why would a repeater be more likely to hit again than a number that has not hit at all in the random game??? ::)
Hi,
Not it isn't. But i never said that.
Eddy.
QuoteWhy would a repeater be more likely to hit again than a number that has not hit at all in the random game???
why in random game in 37 spins there are not 37 uniques
Quote from: maestro on Apr 06, 06:49 AM 2018
why in random game in 37 spins there are not 37 uniques
Also possible.
That i never seen this event happen, doesn't Mean it can't.
It can happen over a million years, it can happen next week, even tonight when i'm gonna play and try to reach my daily â,¬100 goal. We'll never know when it is goin' to happen, but possible? Yes.
Quote from: maestro on Apr 06, 06:49 AM 2018
why in random game in 37 spins there are not 37 uniques
Basic probability predicts that some numbers will hit a few times and some won't hit at all. In short there are a gazillion more ways for it not to hit all 37 numbers once in 37 spins.
Quote from: The General on Apr 06, 10:41 PM 2018
Basic probability predicts that some numbers will hit a few times and some won't hit at all. In short there are a gazillion more ways for it not to hit all 37 numbers once in 37 spins.
Good morning,
But the difference is, that i don't stop at 37 spins! You need to See beyond that. If you can't then you'd be stuck in a vacuüm! :yawn:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 07, 12:57 AM 2018
Good morning,
But the difference is, that i don't stop at 37 spins! You need to See beyond that. If you can't then you'd be stuck in a vacuüm! :yawn:
No, I think long term. You're the looking at only the short term. Long term you'll lose at the house edge.
Are there things certain to happen in roulette? Yes there are.
Look at this.
On spin 38, i Will Have a number that turned to a 2. On spins 75, i Will Have a number that turned to 3. On spin 112, i Will Have a number that turned to 4. On spin 149, i Will Have a number, that turned to 5. Etc etc. Of this i'm certain. And that every number need to hit sometime and it will return.
As you can See, ramdom also has his limits of what it can do. So like Turbo said; ramdom beats ramdom. Now we only Have to know the Right math behind it, to take advantage of this event.
Is there a way to beat the game? Yes i'm sure ! Do i Have the awnser? No i haven't. Do i provider it, when i knew it? No i won't! Because of many reasons .:thumbsup:
JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T OR DIDN'T SEE IT, DOESN'T MEAN IT DON'T EXIST!
Eddy - 2018
:lol: :twisted: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 07, 01:05 AM 2018
Are there things certain to happen in roulette? Yes there are.
Look at this.
On spin 38, i Will Have a number that turned to a 2. On spins 75, i Will Have a number that turned to 3. On spin 112, i Will Have a number that turned to 4. On spin 149, i Will Have a number, that turned to 5. Etc etc. Of this i'm certain. And that every number need to hit sometime and it will return.
As you can See, ramdom also has his limits of what it can do. So like Turbo said; ramdom beats ramdom. Now we only Have to know the Right math behind it, to take advantage of this event.
Is there a way to beat the game? Yes i'm sure ! Do i Have the awnser? No i haven't. Do i provider it, when i knew it? No i won't! Because of many reasons .:thumbsup:
Did you take a lesson in oxymorons from Turbo?
Random beats random? Lol!!
Random has limits?
QuoteNow we only Have to know the Right math behind it
The math says that you guys are being foolish.
You guys have your heads stuck in the short term nonsense. ::)
Quote from: The General on Apr 07, 03:46 AM 2018
You guys have your heads stuck in the short term nonsense. ::)
Well that's a very polite way of putting it...lol
Quote from: The General on Apr 07, 03:46 AM 2018
Did you take a lesson in oxymorons from Turbo?
Random beats random? Lol!!
Random has limits?
The math says that you guys are being foolish.
You guys have your heads stuck in the short term nonsense. ::)
And you call yourself the General? You act More like a private :yawn:
Well i rather be stuck with my head in short term winnings, then floating between endless spins.
And why do you be so disrespectful regarding other members? (OXYMORONS) If i were a moderator, i had you removed from this Forum at once. You don't reserve our Response. This is also the last one you get from me.
FIN
Quote from: jekhb76 on Apr 07, 05:08 AM 2018
And you call yourself the General? You act More like a private :yawn:
Well i rather be stuck with my head in short term winnings, then floating between endless spins.
And why do you be so disrespectful regarding other members? (OXYMORONS) If i were a moderator, i had you removed from this Forum at once. You don't reserve our Response. This is also the last one you get from me.
It's obvious that you don’t know the definition of an oxymoron.
An oxymoron (usual plural oxymorons, more rarely oxymora) is a rhetorical device that uses an ostensible self-contradiction to illustrate a rhetorical point or to reveal a paradox.[1][2] A more general meaning of "contradiction in terms" (not necessarily for rhetoric effect) is recorded by the OED for 1902.[3]
The term is first recorded as latinized Greek oxymÅrum, in Maurus Servius Honoratus (c. AD 400);[4] it is derived from the Greek ὀξÏÏ, oksús "sharp, keen, pointed"[5] and μωÏÏŒÏ, mÅros "dull, stupid, foolish";[6] as it were, "sharp-dull", "keenly stupid", or "pointedly foolish".[7] The word oxymoron is autological, i.e. it is itself an example of an oxymoron. The Greek compound word ὀξÏμωÏον oksýmÅron, which would correspond to the Latin formation, does not seem to appear in any known Ancient Greek works prior to the formation of the Latin term.[8]-wiki
More examples...
Prediciting random
Random has limits
Random beats random ::)
Quote from: maestro on Apr 06, 06:49 AM 2018
why in random game in 37 spins there are not 37 uniques
Because there are billions of other combinations other than 37 uniques. Just probability and Binomial distribution
Same probability as 19 hitting 37 times which is far left of Bell Curve
Your question is far right of Bell Curve
6 is the mean in this graph (24 hits/13 non hits in the case of a roulette cycle).
5 down to 0 and 7 up to 12 are Standard deviations.
The higher the deviation from the mean (6), the less chance it has of happening. :thumbsup:
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QuoteBecause there are billions of other combinations other than 37 uniques. Just probability and Binomial distribution
It's the math according to Turbo why his repeaters method Always wil win.
No we only need the math. :thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 09, 01:13 PM 2018
It's the math according to Turbo why his repeaters method Always wil win.
No we only need the math. :thumbsup:
Can you point to where he has ever posted math?
:twisted:
LOL!
Quote from: The General on May 09, 02:42 PM 2018
Can you point to where he has ever posted math?
:twisted:
LOL!
I can't, because he never did. That's the 1% that is still Missing. But according to Turbo, it's Basic math so many should be able to figure this one out. I never was good at math in school so i don't count. :lol:
Never thought i would say this, but today i lost very, very big at my local BM Casino playing repeaters to what i think how Turbo would play.
I've had my First repeater at spin 29!!
So i thought it would be wise to start betting on the numbers that showed up twice, hoping that a third show would happen very soon and i could leave in profit! Man how wrong i was :yawn:
I got my First tripple at spin 53, i was to deep in the hole, and i knew i would never be able to set that Straight. Lost big â,¬ :'( More then 1200 euro lost!
Anyone very saw this sequence before at a real Table????? That's why i said, we need the math, otherwise this trip from Hell is Always looking around the corner.
Just for learning sake,
i just replayed turbo's graph again, but now on my own way.
My graph shows fewer downswings and a more steady upworth beat.
First graph, is from Turbo.
Second Graph is my own..
I played the same numbers, only now i did the following:
everytime a repeater came i placed a 5 unit bet on them, if it hits again i would place a 25 unit bet on it. If it hits again i would not increase the bet beyond 25 units, but decreased it to 5 units again, no erasing just yet.
Everytime a repeater would come within a 37 spin window i would play it. everytime one of the two numbers would fall of the marque i would drop the bet, no matter what unit size it has on it.
this way, be are only playing numbers that are performing above expected and drop it when it doesn't anymore.
take a look.
graph 1 - Turbo
graph 2 - Mine.
Again, not facts on how to play it, hell i just lost alot of money, so don't take a word from me how this needs to be played.
i'm just trying out different stuff, maybe to find something valuable.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 09, 03:20 PM 2018I've had my First repeater at spin 29!!
Like to see the spins
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 09, 03:20 PM 2018I've had my First repeater at spin 29!!
So 28 uniques
You're cycle man with so many against you, you should have left or reset
Wonder what the wise sage THE GENERAL has to say ::)
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come on napoleon meet you best
Quote from: nottophammer on May 09, 06:02 PM 2018
Wonder what the wise sage THE GENERAL has to say ::)
About what???
Quote from: nottophammer on May 09, 05:55 PM 2018
Like to see the spins
Here is my session from Hell!
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After this i went Home! :sad2:
Wonder how Turbo would Have handled this dark session!
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 10, 04:31 AM 2018
Here is my session from Hell!
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After this i went Home! :sad2:
Wonder how Turbo would Have handled this dark session!
I did one type mistake. The two zero's weren't there. It needed to be 1 Zero.
Taotie,The General
Couple of jokers watching
Quote from: nottophammer on May 10, 04:52 AM 2018
Taotie,The General
Couple of jokers watching
You mean Taotie, The General
Couple watching us jokers :thumbsup:
I am trying to figure out what this fabled 'Turbo H.G is'. I've read what
Jekhb76, then Madi, then PassionRuleta 'think' it is. It boggles the mind.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 11, 01:43 AM 2018
I am trying to figure out what this fabled 'Turbo H.G is'. I've read what
Jekhb76, then Madi, then PassionRuleta 'think' it is. It boggles the mind.
It's not difficult to know what he does, we Just don't know for sure how he does it.
We know that he is betting on numbers that are performing above expectation with a possitive agressive progression. The rest is unclear.
Thanks Jekhb76
(This is speculation) if three neighbors hit twice within 12 spins then those
three neighbors would be playable (and any neighbors of three in a 12 spin window)
Moreover if in profit add a chip one the next session on all playable bets.
and a total Bankroll of 144 units
Let me try to explain again.
All I'm saying is when you get a repeat single in 12 spins
add a neighbor on either side and play those three for 12 spins.
Repeat steps for each new repeat single in
12 spins (even if there is a previous bet in play)
there is an example of this here (Sonic1)
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20311.0
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on May 12, 02:16 AM 2018
Let me try to explain again.
All I'm saying is when you get a repeat single in 12 spins
add a neighbor on either side and play those three for 12 spins.
Repeat steps for each new repeat single in
12 spins (even if there is a previous bet in play)
there is an example of this here (Sonic1)
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20311.0
Thanks, but i know what you mean. I Have tested this method along Time ago with Different approaches, was No certain profit either way.
Sure could Make some Decent profit to some level, but not a guarantee. I've tested this over More then 100x1000 spin sessions with wheel neughbours and also another 100x1000 spin sessions with Table neughbours . Flatbet and with a mild progression. Doesn't hold up. But a Nice thought.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 12, 04:16 AM 2018
Thanks, but i know what you mean. I Have tested this method along Time ago with Different approaches, was No certain profit either way.
Sure could Make some Decent profit to some level, but not a guarantee. I've tested this over More then 100x1000 spin sessions with wheel neughbours and also another 100x1000 spin sessions with Table neughbours . Flatbet and with a mild progression. Doesn't hold up. But a Nice thought.
Oh my! But Turbo insists that it works.
"Are you using math to beat a math based game?"
"Are you winning because the game is random?"
"In order for a number to hit twice it has to hit once. "
:twisted:
Quote from: The General on May 12, 02:56 PM 2018
Oh my! But Turbo insists that it works.
"Are you using math to beat a math based game?"
"Are you winning because the game is random?"
"In order for a number to hit twice it has to hit once. "
:twisted:
Yeah yeah, i know. :yawn:
jekhb76
Ed, just played these on MPR, betting for repeat, ended up +44
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Shanks, WG, Nimo and Nextyear :thumbsup:
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Repeats using the old 1,3,9,27
PassionRuleta
The above post, after reading Turbos Riddles for betting repeats, I'd think 70% are still in the time machine.
My take on repeats is in the above using the old prog 1,3,9,27.
Ask yourselves what does a game consist of ? Non-hit or repeats, so where do you start ?
I'll finish this later, as its Mrs Notto's birthday.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 14, 07:10 PM 2018
PassionRuleta
The above post, after reading Turbos Riddles for betting repeats, I'd think 70% are still in the time machine.
My take on repeats is in the above using the old prog 1,3,9,27.
Ask yourselves what does a game consist of ? Non-hit or repeats, so where do you start ?
I'll finish this later, as its Mrs Notto's birthday.
Riddles? LOL!
There are no riddles to decipher. It's just chasing your losses with an up as you lose progression while betting hot numbers. ::)
Turbo hasn't spoken in riddles. He has been quite clear. The problem it's almost all wrong. It has all been said before and its going in circles.
Quote from: The General on May 14, 10:32 PM 2018There are no riddles to decipher. It's just chasing your losses with an up as you lose progression while betting hot numbers.
There everyone riddle solved, Then the other twin says theres no riddles, but its almost all wrong, so one of the twins says this and the other says that, well thats two answers from 3 wise monkies,
We'll wait for The third to speak
Quote from: nottophammer on May 14, 07:10 PM 2018I'll finish this later, as its Mrs Notto's birthday.
Happy Birthday to the Mrs have a good day!
Maybe someone who says its all clear etc could post how Turbo plays then? Instead of its repeats with a aggressive progression or an up as you lose progression while betting hot numbers. . Is it all repeats? If not how to select which ones to play? Is it always the same progression? When do you drop numbers? Just a few questions some people may have?
Ive been top of parx 2 out of the last 4 weeks turned 3 thousand into over 4 million in 4 weeks using lots of Turbo and Notto's information/work. Maybe 50 thousand(more or less) over that period has been given for logging in reaching levels etc. Going on parx doesnt take up much time and is a great place to try things out make tweeks etc for your real play . If you want to prove your point go on there win a shed load.
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on May 15, 04:25 AM 2018
Ive been top of parx 2 out of the last 4 weeks turned 3 thousand into over 4 million in 4 weeks using lots of Turbo and Notto's information/work. Maybe 50 thousand(more or less) over that period has been given for logging in reaching levels etc. Going on parx doesnt take up much time and is a great place to try things out make tweeks etc for your real play . If you want to prove your point go on there win a shed load.
But amazingly you and nobody else using his system can win anything significant on the game on this forum. Hmmmm... I wonder why that is? ::)
Quote from: The General on May 15, 05:07 AM 2018But amazingly you and nobody else using his system can win anything significant on the game on this forum. Hmmmm... I wonder why that is? ::)
Never played it. Saw there was some issue or concerns regards the numbers? real spins but they can be added together? or was this something else? Not playing any online(real or play) for a couple of weeks but maybe i'll give it a go next because ive never said i cant lose just won more than ive lost for sometime now :thumbsup:
Armitage, the problem with the spins is a few people blame the spins for losing, and think they are rigged.
Ive even published a locked file of spins to prove the game is fair, and the complaining players' systems dont work.
Don't believe everything you read or you'll have no idea.
Shanks
You know the way +250 using 1, 5, 10, 25
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I stopped at spin 31as you know i would recommend no more than 8, so the win with 9 stop, but if your BR is large like TG's then the 33rd spin you'd get that
Now when the two wind bags come back, we know its curve fitting, but Morts #'s are good to see if the method holds up,
Shanks if you give MPR ago with the method, use 1,3,9,25; 25 as to get 27 on be to awkward with only 30 sec's
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After the reset at spin 120 used 1,5,25 not the 1,3,9,27 as built the BR up
It's just an up as you lose, but it's GOOD
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Class, 31 spins on, "YES" MPR +85 you know who you are :thumbsup:
Notto,
Why do you keep testing a trivial number of spins and then posting colorful graphs? ::)
Why don't you run at least 10k to 50k trials?
Because he only needs to win a few spins to win. Duh. No player is going to sit around for thousands of spins. Who has time, right? Only a few spins matter.
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 10:51 PM 2018
Because he only needs to win a few spins to win. Duh. No player is going to sit around for thousands of spins. Who has time, right? Only a few spins matter.
That's probably the answer that would be posted! LOL!!! :twisted:
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 10, 04:38 AM 2018
I did one type mistake. The two zero's weren't there. It needed to be 1 Zero.
Try playing as splits 1/4 2/5 3/6 7/10 8/11 9/12 etc instead of straight up.
straight up Number 2 hits 3 times
with splits 2/5 hits
3 times on spin 32
4 times on spin 39
5 times on spin 53
Quote from: Steve on May 15, 10:51 PM 2018
Because he only needs to win a few spins to win. Duh. No player is going to sit around for thousands of spins. Who has time, right? Only a few spins matter.
Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 31, 10:17 AM 2018
The players who actually practice everyday do not use a string of thousands of spins.
When I go to a casino, I only play 28 to 52 spins max, per session...
Quote from: Mortagon on May 16, 01:39 AM 2018Quote from: Kimo Li on Mar 31, 02:17 PM 2018
The players who actually practice everyday do not use a string of thousands of spins.
When I go to a casino, I only play 28 to 52 spins max, per session...
Exactly
According to the late Flat_Ino aka Iboba a
winning system should be in profit after 400 bets.
Yes only if we all stuck to short term sessions. Combined, we could bring down all casinos.
Proof
should that read before 400 bets.
Mortagon today betting for repeats using 1,5,10, spin 34 +206.
Thats money in the bank.
The crew know how, repeats,PROGRESSION
The mpr combined results suggest otherwise.
Let's see what will happen
Return to the basics and at the same time a question.
Bet selection
Repeaters in gap no more than 6 spins, played by 18 spins
If hit, we play this number for the next 18 spins
We will be playing very few numbers
And here's the question, What MM will you recommend?
Stop lose 200 units, target profit 200 units or more
Quote from: ozon on May 21, 03:16 PM 2018
Let's see what will happen
Return to the basics and at the same time a question.
Bet selection
Repeaters in gap no more than 6 spins, played by 18 spins
If hit, we play this number for the next 18 spins
We will be playing very few numbers
And here's the question, What MM will you recommend?
Stop lose 200 units, target profit 200 units or more
sorry im alittle drunk tonite, but? does it really matter if a number hit once or twice? i mean -as i've proven with the BRAVO-system that 1 number hit, (could be a sleeping number waking up,? And therefore chances for it to hitting again? seem good) compared to a number hitting twice, chances for it to hit a third time (within a short time-?) me think- a 1 hitter is good enough, if not better chance of hitting twice than a 2 hitter hitting a 3rd time.? That' the question (?)
We can do an experiment, I think that the results could be interesting.
We start the sessions by choosing the first two numbers and play them for 18 spins.
If we have a hit, this number is played for the next 18 spins.
But the results can be very random.
And so I think it is needed, stoplose and target profit, and the most important is the positive MM.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 16, 05:20 AM 2018
Proof
should that read before 400 bets.
Mortagon today betting for repeats using 1,5,10, spin 34 +206.
Thats money in the bank.
The crew know how, repeats,PROGRESSION
Flat was stressing at most people would make
400 bets in a lifetime if that system were the Grail.
C'mon guys, Turbo said it is very simple, Just comon sense that he can't lose by using math. Then why haven't we All worked it out a Long Time ago?
I guess my iq and that of everyone else on this Forum (No offence) is below 50!
How come that something so simple is so hard to understand by All of us?
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 26, 06:14 AM 2018
C'mon guys, Turbo said it is very simple, Just comon sense that he can't lose by using math. Then why haven't we All worked it out a Long Time ago?
I guess my iq and that of everyone else on this Forum (No offence) is below 50!
How come that something so simple is so hard to understand by All of us?
Turbo really sucks at math. He made the absurd math claim because he couldn't comprehend it. He never posted any math.
Quote from: The General on May 26, 03:58 PM 2018Turbo really sucks at math. He made the absurd math claim because he couldn't comprehend it. He never posted any math.
yawn - another "General" post...
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Quote from: PassionRuleta on May 27, 11:32 AM 2018Hello Turbo.
If you find a session with a lot of balance that does ?? Keep playing until an imbalance of numbers is formed in your favor, right?
I have had sessions that I had to reach almost 300 balls to have something positive, but playing flat.
It's normal right? being a flat game ...
Anyway, I do not follow his steps a lot because I'm focused on something simpler and faster, but I know his game quite well, but when there is a balance, it sinks a lot.
A greeting and grace spor everything he put so that I learn about his way of seeing the game
regards
I'm not sure that I understand your post.
Anything based on repeaters will work, as long as there isn't "balance".
On the even money bets you could see balance - 60 reds and 60 blacks for example.
Nothing would really work on these very well.
On the straight up bets there is almost never balance or equality.
A number could show 10 times in 80 spins, another number might not show at all.
You have to focus on how to win on the repeater.
If there were balance within the numbers appearing (it wouldn't be random) - then
just like the even money bets, it would be incredibly hard to win - but that's not the case.
While in a session there might be a lack of repeaters of course - but this changes.
You won't have 37 numbers in 37 spins without a repeat,
The farther you go into the future, the more imbalanced it gets -
With the proper progression you can't lose. Wins recovers bets lost prior.
I've said this for a long time but the naysayers won't understand it.
Here's a simple 4 step progression - controlled, no higher bets than 4 steps and
controlled number of bets being placed on the table that anyone could do.
The math supports this as well - but I have to watch or else I'm being misleading (lol).
Let me know if that helps.
Below I just ran off spins (rng) showing clearly how repeaters don't work).
(yes, being sarcastic)
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And here were the hot and cold numbers (and average appearing numbers)
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And here is my results, as you can see - not perfect at all (never claimed to be).
In purple at the numbers I won on at the highest step in my progression.
So as you can see, I missed opportunities on #s 2,9,15,17,18,36
and I had large bets on a few of the under performers #s 5,19,29 even though
they still won for me and made profit.
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I've said over and over - you don't have
to be perfect, you only need to structure your bets in such a way that you're
betting on a few of the hottest numbers and the progression has to be
aggressive and not a mild one.
You can make this chart over and over for as long as you like with the same
winning results.
Turbo you do understand that steve and general will start shitttting again... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
not that you give shittt..good one
Quote from: maestro on May 27, 04:19 PM 2018Turbo you do understand that steve and general will start shitttting again... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
not that you give shittt..good one
lol - well, also they should please note from my chart.
I never lost a single high progression bet on #s 7,12,35,25,0
because at no time had I ever bet on them.
You can't win by losing bets on numbers that don't appear, that means I miss
some real winners - but that's perfectly ok... I don't need to be perfect.
I'm not sure that I understand your post.
Anything based on repeaters will work, as long as there isn't "balance".
On the even money bets you could see balance - 60 reds and 60 blacks for example.
Nothing would really work on these very well.
On the straight up bets there is almost never balance or equality. What like in spins 11-40
A number could show 10 times in 80 spins, another number might not show at all.
You have to focus on how to win on the repeater. Same for non-hit
If there were balance within the numbers appearing (it wouldn't be random) (There’s a fulcrum point in spins 11-40) - then
just like the even money bets, it would be incredibly hard to win - but that's not the case.
While in a session there might be a lack of repeaters of course (but the lack of repeats means those numbers that get your repeaters are hitting) ( - but this changes. (Yes the fulcrum point)
You won't have 37 numbers in 37 spins without a repeat,
The farther you go into the future, the more imbalanced it gets â€" ( that would depend on how you use the 37 cycle)
With the proper progression you can't lose. (Totally agree,) Wins recovers bets lost prior. (Does that not depend on the aggressiveness of the progression, I’d say 1,2,3,4,5 is a no,no)
I've said this for a long time but the naysayers won't understand it. ( what 2 on here and over at GF plenty, LOL)
Here's a simple 4 step progression - controlled, no higher bets than 4 steps and
controlled number of bets being placed on the table that anyone could do.
The math supports this as well - but I have to watch or else I'm being misleading (lol). ( too those stuck in 1/37)
Let me know if that helps.
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This is Morts numbers today. Now playing repeats i can win +490 the R2; spin 32; and dont drop a single R1.
You talk of dropping #'s please explain which R1's to drop.
Now you talk of balance; well we see balance here, in spins 11-40; 15 non-hit and 15 repeats
Lets look forward to spin 60, 30 non-hit so what are the other 30, you know its balance.
This happens again and again,
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 27, 04:14 PM 2018
I'm not sure that I understand your post.
Anything based on repeaters will work, as long as there isn't "balance".
On the even money bets you could see balance - 60 reds and 60 blacks for example.
Nothing would really work on these very well.
On the straight up bets there is almost never balance or equality.
A number could show 10 times in 80 spins, another number might not show at all.
You have to focus on how to win on the repeater.
If there were balance within the numbers appearing (it wouldn't be random) - then
just like the even money bets, it would be incredibly hard to win - but that's not the case.
While in a session there might be a lack of repeaters of course - but this changes.
You won't have 37 numbers in 37 spins without a repeat,
The farther you go into the future, the more imbalanced it gets -
With the proper progression you can't lose. Wins recovers bets lost prior.
I've said this for a long time but the naysayers won't understand it.
Here's a simple 4 step progression - controlled, no higher bets than 4 steps and
controlled number of bets being placed on the table that anyone could do.
The math supports this as well - but I have to watch or else I'm being misleading (lol).
Let me know if that helps.
Below I just ran off spins (rng) showing clearly how repeaters don't work).
(yes, being sarcastic)
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/ynm63veij/image.png)
And here were the hot and cold numbers (and average appearing numbers)
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/8fb1ek7aj/image.png)
And here is my results, as you can see - not perfect at all (never claimed to be).
In purple at the numbers I won on at the highest step in my progression.
So as you can see, I missed opportunities on #s 2,9,15,17,18,36
and I had large bets on a few of the under performers #s 5,19,29 even though
they still won for me and made profit.
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/u1q1vot17/image.png)
I've said over and over - you don't have
to be perfect, you only need to structure your bets in such a way that you're
betting on a few of the hottest numbers and the progression has to be
aggressive and not a mild one.
You can make this chart over and over for as long as you like with the same
winning results.
Hi TG
Thanks for posting your explanation of the imbalance of the wheel for straight up numbers. I am finding some success with this attack and am looking to perfect the identification of an imbalanced wheel vs a balanced wheel so that I can find the trigger to start betting at the ideal time. The below screenshot is the StdDev details of all numbers over a 148 spin cycle. I do not use stats over the whole session because the dominant numbers are always changing so you want to concentrate on the ones that are repeating in the near term.
My idea is to create some rules around which numbers to start betting with a specific progression and number of bets. Based on your charts you would bet on all numbers with StdDev > 0. But what I am finding is the numbers showing this vary depending if they are coming out more evenly close to the mean number over the cycle. So what would be your estimation of when is the ideal time to start betting these numbers? And what limits do you put? Say your betting more than 1 number (or do you?) will you bet them for a max 36 units (ie 2 numbers for 18 spins) before increasing progression? Also will you re-evaluate the balance after these spins to determine if you should continue betting these numbers or do you change your numbers when increasing progression?
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Quote from: TurboGenius on May 27, 04:14 PM 2018betting on a few of the hottest numbers and the progression has to be
aggressive and not a mild one.
You can make this chart over and over for as long as you like with the same
winning results.
Thanks TG, for a simple explanation, and finally revealing your 'hotnumbers-method' i think it's similar to Mr.j's old 'catch the 8-train' atleast that's how i played it; i was +800u in about 100 spins (5u bets) now, playing on MPR,..RX crashed so i can't show the charts,:S but i can explain how *i* played it; ....
(catch-the-8-train method); track numbers until you got a number repeating 2-3 times, now you start betting, OK, 1u bets Now, you bet all repeters, hitting 2 times, (agressive progression i used--> simple martingale) IF numbers bet was to be more than 5-6 numbers DOUBLE once. now, every new number bet (more than 5-6 numberS) bet with 2u, ....so You get first Hit NOW you let those numbers bet *remain* and DOUBLE again, as you get a second hit, reset to 1u. And bet only the single hottest , and bet anew every number hit +3-4 times (restart procedure) you don't *need to double twice* IF the hit comes before 5-6 numbers bet, BUT i always keep the numbers , (double once) and wait for a *second hit* of those hottest of the hot. OK...that's how i played it, anyway...and thanks again TG for a reminder of this simple and effective method. I think many find it useful.
Quote from: Ricky on May 27, 06:40 PM 2018My idea is to create some rules around which numbers to start betting with a specific progression and number of bets. Based on your charts you would bet on all numbers with StdDev > 0. But what I am finding is the numbers showing this vary depending if they are coming out more evenly close to the mean number over the cycle. So what would be your estimation of when is the ideal time to start betting these numbers? And what limits do you put? Say your betting more than 1 number (or do you?) will you bet them for a max 36 units (ie 2 numbers for 18 spins) before increasing progression? Also will you re-evaluate the balance after these spins to determine if you should continue betting these numbers or do you change your numbers when increasing progression?
Read this paragraph, it's the best reply i've seen, some will know what i mean.
If you can't see it, read again and again
So I bet hot numbers using aggressive progression and I'll win thousand of dollars... That's the hg... haha
QuoteTurbo-You won't have 37 numbers in 37 spins without a repeat,
Actually I've seen it happen on an RNG simulation. Regardless, what you're missing is the fact that the method will still lose overtime,
regardless of whether 37 number fall in 37 spins or not.
Quote-Turbo-The math supports this as well.
No, actually the math doesn't support your system, (and you've never posted any math. LOL!). ::) On the contrary. The math says that your system won't work because a number that has just hit is no more likely than a cold number to hit again during the next series of spins. The math says that the long term expectation for a repeater to hit is only .027 for the single zero wheel, and .026 for the double zero wheel. Unfortunately the payoff is short at 35 to 1. This means that in the long run you will lose,
all because there's just one or two tooo many numbers on the wheel.
Why is it that system players like yourself can't look beyond the short term? After all, the long term is what matters!
If you need help with the math, then check out the wizardofodds.com or I can help teach it to you. ;)
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 27, 07:18 PM 2018
So I bet hot numbers using aggressive progression and I'll win thousand of dollars... That's the hg... haha
you'll need to think about it a bit more Andre 16 minutes not long enough haha
QuoteSo I bet hot numbers using aggressive progression and I'll win thousand of dollars... That's the hg... haha
Actually that's called chasing your losses while betting on hot numbers.
The Achilles heel is of course a hot number that suddenly goes cold for 300 or 400 spins, meanwhile you're betting more an more while praying that you get a hit. ::)
Quote from: The General on May 27, 07:20 PM 2018
Actually I've seen it happen on an RNG simulation. Regardless, what you're missing is the fact that the method will still lose overtime, regardless of whether 37 number fall in 37 spins or not.
No, actually the math doesn't support your system, (and you've never posted any math. LOL!). ::) On the contrary. The math says that your system won't work because a number that has just hit is no more likely than a cold number to hit again during the next series of spins. The math says that the long term expectation for a repeater to hit is only .027 for the single zero wheel, and .026 for the double zero wheel. Unfortunately the payoff is short at 35 to 1. This means that in the long run you will lose, all because there's just one or two tooo many numbers on the wheel.
Why is it that system players like yourself can't look beyond the short term? After all, the long term is what matters!
If you need help with the math, then check out the wizardofodds.com or I can help teach it to you. ;)
I don't neet to think about it more than 16 min... The general have said what I think about hot numbers...
I've been through that... And it's a waste of time
Quote from: The General on May 27, 07:20 PM 2018The math says that your system won't work because a number that has just hit is no more likely than a cold number to hit again during the next series of spins.
But General at the start of the game there’s 37 cold #’s, the 37 cold numbers are not all going to hit once only, out of the 37 spins, General-ly theres 24 cold #’s hit, the other 13 spins have to become something, I’ll let you work that out
Andre you stick to Bac you've cracked that
Quote from: nottophammer on May 27, 07:35 PM 2018
Andre you stick to Bac you've cracked that
As I said before... If you want losing your mind, your money, your social life, your family, your job... Stay stuck at roulette table. If you want make serious money go to baccarat
:thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on May 27, 07:35 PM 2018
But General at the start of the game there’s 37 cold #’s, the 37 cold numbers are not all going to hit once only, out of the 37 spins, General-ly theres 24 cold #’s hit, the other 13 spins have to become something, I’ll let you work that out
Andre you stick to Bac you've cracked that
Notto,
You're having a problem related to the wording and time. If you wait for a number to hit before you begin betting on it, then the number might not hit again at all, leaving you betting on a number that remains cold. Likewise if you wait for a number to hit twice before you begin betting on it you could begin betting on it, only to have the number never hit while playing it and chasing your losses with the progression.
QuoteGeneral-ly theres 24 cold #’s hit, the other 13 spins have to become something, I’ll let you work that out
So? You still have no way of knowing which numbers will continue hitting and which ones won't.
General or is it (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/05/27/temp_639429.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/sh7xt)Dafthead
2 different days work it out
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KFC everyone, i'm pissing me pants
Quote
KFC everyone, i'm pissing me pants
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Why because at spin 56 your LOSING over 1500 units?
Quote from: The General on May 27, 07:29 PM 2018
Actually that's called chasing your losses while betting on hot numbers.
The Achilles heel is of course a hot number that suddenly goes cold for 300 or 400 spins, meanwhile you're betting more an more while praying that you get a hit. ::)
That's what the hot numbers strategy is all about
Quote from: The General on May 27, 07:45 PM 2018Why because at spin 56 your down over 1500 units?
No i'm not i stopped on spin 26; +67 and the next game i stopped on spin 25; +65, i told you this the other day and it's still not sunk in to your DAFT HEAD
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 27, 07:50 PM 2018
That's what the hot numbers strategy is all about
Another daft head
Get your knee done,
See you two daft heads tomorrow
Quote from: nottophammer on May 27, 07:52 PM 2018
No i'm not i stopped on spin 26; +67 and the next game i stopped on spin 25; +65, i told you this the other day and it's still not sunk in to your DAFT HEAD
Looks like you're curve fitting when to stop by looking forwards and backwards in time. ::)
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 27, 04:14 PM 2018Anything based on repeaters will work, as long as there isn't "balance". On the even money bets you could see balance - 60 reds and 60 blacks for example. Nothing would really work on these very well.
More classic fallacy. If what Turbo said was true, roulette is more predictable after you have 40 reds and 60 blacks. We know it just aint so unless there is a bias (wheel defect).
Quote from: maestro on May 27, 04:19 PM 2018Turbo you do understand that steve and general will start shitttting again.
Whoever doesn't get it yet probably wont ever get it. It's not my money.
Two teams play against each other, could be hockey, soccer, whatever. At the end of the game one is declared the winner. Is it the best team that won? Hard to tell, the game only lasted so many minutes. To be sure or at least have a less volatile result, a game should last 10 000 minutes.
Two teams play for the year's Stanley Cup. First to win 4, in max 7 games. Is it the best team that's going to win? Hard to tell, it's only 7 games. You would expect the 2 teams to be among the best, looking at past season games results. Still, to be really sure it is the best team that wins, they should play 100 games one against the other.
Nevertheless, in a generally accepted fashion, the team that wins within 7 games is deemed champion. 7 games is enough for every body.
If some dude out there plays his little game and says 13 spins in enough to win this game, that is very fine.
Perhaps you should modify ''spins'' for ''cycles'' or ''run''. Especially if you play a way that involves a trickle down or add-up approach, as the spins go by and numbers fall. Test a cycle/run game for 400 million spins just to make sure for the long run.
Same as odds are 1/37 a number to hit, so are there also odds of x/y for this many repeaters in x spins, or x/y chances of 5 reds in row within x spins.
Different approaches: spin per spin or runs.
Word or sentence. Game or season.
Please don't tell every spin is independent. I know.
Quote from: The General on May 27, 07:29 PM 2018The Achilles heel is of course a hot number that suddenly goes cold
Sure - hot numbers go cold (or stay hot)
Cold numbers go hot (or stay cold)
Average numbers go hot or cold (or stay average)
It's not relevant to what I'm doing. As I clearly showed, I didn't win on all of the hottest
numbers and I ended up playing some cold ones too. I still won and BIGLY.
Quote from: The General on May 27, 07:29 PM 2018meanwhile you're betting more an more while praying that you get a hit.
Nope,.. I never do that. (and praying isn't needed, the wins happen)
Sorry PassionRuleta, I had typed up a long reply and when I hit post it said
something along the lines of "you are not allowed to post in this forum" (along those
lines). I'm sure it's a glitch of some sort ((never even saved a draft so the entire reply was lost)).... I'll retype it tomorrow I suppose.)
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 27, 10:21 PM 2018Average numbers go hot or cold (or stay average)
It's not relevant to what I'm doing. As I clearly showed, I didn't win on all of the hottest
numbers and I ended up playing some cold ones too. I still won and BIGLY
Alright, thanks again, now, i played this morning on the MPR, your hotnumbers method, (played my way) best advice -to use a agressive progression,...and playin as i described Mr.j classic 'catch-the-8-train' (betting the hottest of the hot in a progressive bet) THEN after 1 hit i keep the numbers (and double once), wait for a second hit, IF not reached a new high i go for another last double, well,? this maybe a crazy way of playing, but it has worked just fine, so far,..
The General, Steve and André should build their own fanclub, Oh man what a waste of time and (money) to Read their comments. But then again, i still do! Why? Because i Love to have a good laugh when i Wake up in the morning. :lol:
Now let's see i was lucky this time,....but what i noticed, is after about 7-8 repeats these 'hotnumbers' usually fall alseep(?) am i wrong? i think *re-tracking* is needed after some numbers have hit 7-8 times----'Hotnumbers' won't be 'hot' forever, *new numbers* will become become the hottest....that's what i believe anyway,
Quote from: ignatus on May 28, 01:47 AM 2018
Now let's see i was lucky this time,....but what i noticed, is after about 7-8 repeats these 'hotnumbers' usually fall alseep(?) am i wrong? i think *re-tracking* is needed after some numbers have hit 7-8 times----'Hotnumbers' won't be 'hot' forever, *new numbers* will become become the hottest....that's what i believe anyway,
GM,
What is keeping you from switching hotnumbers? No need to retrack, Just follow them and you wil be allright.
I usualy don't bet More then 2 hotnumbers All the Time, and 90% of the Time i Have my hit, within my profit.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 28, 01:59 AM 2018No need to retrack, Just follow them and you wil be allright
no? not this time? see this chart, i bet all 7+ hit numbers, as in this case , they were all sleeping for a long time..... what i mean, as i said hotnumbers fall alsleep after some time? most hits come early ... therefore, re-tracking is needed at just this moment...(the chart?) hmm :/
Quote from: ignatus on May 28, 02:18 AM 2018as i said hotnumbers fall asleep..
Well, now, IF 'hotnumbers' were to have a 'special' good hitrate, then i would be a winner, but now??? Betting 7 of the hottest of the hotnumbers. playing as adviced from TG, "with an agressive progression" i lost my whole BR....now who is the fool here? me? yes? i must try everything many times, and fail many times, obviously, before i learn?? So, good people, don't play 'hotnumbers' , steve was right all along. "hotnumbers" do not have a "special good hitrate" Thank you
Quote from: ignatus on May 28, 05:09 AM 2018
Well, now, IF 'hotnumbers' were to have a 'special' good hitrate, then i would be a winner, but now??? Betting 7 of the hottest of the hotnumbers. playing as adviced from TG, "with an agressive progression" i lost my whole BR....now who is the fool here? me? yes? i must try everything many times, and fail many times, obviously, before i learn?? So, good people, don't play 'hotnumbers' , steve was right all along. "hotnumbers" do not have a "special good hitrate" Thank you
Why on earth 7 hotnumbers?????
You don't need to.
Do you still Have the numbers that go with this session? Can i replay it.
The wrong thought People Have when playing Hot numbers is that they need to cover All hotnumbers, because otherwise they Will Miss a hit :yawn:
You can't play Every Hot number with am agressive progression and expecting to profit All the Time.
You need to choose your numbers wisely and not try to catch them All! It's not Pokémon :wink:
Out of those 7 hotnumbers i would Have won om 2 or 3 of them and would be in profit.
Quote from: ignatus on May 28, 05:09 AM 2018
Well, now, IF 'hotnumbers' were to have a 'special' good hitrate, then i would be a winner, but now??? Betting 7 of the hottest of the hotnumbers. playing as adviced from TG, "with an agressive progression" i lost my whole BR....now who is the fool here? me? yes? i must try everything many times, and fail many times, obviously, before i learn?? So, good people, don't play 'hotnumbers' , steve was right all along. "hotnumbers" do not have a "special good hitrate" Thank you
Repeaters (hotnumbers) one way to play and win with this game.
It's a real good bet to follow the hottest ones. Do you win All the Time? No, but the numbers that do hit Will Make up for my losses. You only need to know how to select them.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 28, 05:20 AM 2018
Why on earth 7 hotnumbers?????
You don't need to.
Do you still Have the numbers that go with this session? Can i replay it.
yes, i know, maybe too many , maybe not? (i was playing on the MPR) Point IS i was betting these 7 "HOT" for a LONG time, and they didn't hit--point proven. "HOT"-numbers do not have a 'special good hitrate'.....reason why you play with less numbers, ofcourse that will increase chance of hit.---(That is another story, and has nothing to do with "hot" numbers)..Try flatbet 24 numbers in RX, then you flatbet 2-3 numbers, OFCOURSE it's a difference, ..anyway :/
Quote from: ignatus on May 28, 05:27 AM 2018
yes, i know, maybe too many , maybe not? (i was playing on the MPR) Point IS i was betting these 7 "HOT" for a LONG time, and they didn't hit--point proven. "HOT"-numbers do not have a 'special good hitrate'.....reason why you play with less numbers, ofcourse that will increase chance of hit.---(That is another story, and has nothing to do with "hot" numbers)..Try flatbet 24 numbers in RX, then you flatbet 2-3 numbers, OFCOURSE it's a difference, ..anyway :/
At some Point, the cold numbers Will try to catch up with the hotnumbers, they Always Will try that, and some Will succes. Not play the sessions to Long, you don't need to reset to continue playing the same numbers! I know that after a few hundred spins the game Will be More balanced out, that's the reason i Will only play when the game is not in balance.
I'm fed up of posting this, surely you know now what the averages show.
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So General daft head (Worzel Gummidge) these short set of spins from Mortagon. KTF +66 its made the 50/+50 read the topic.
Repeats, using R1's spin 28; -19, spin 33; +85 using 9, R1's, reset.
Paragraph from Ricky, Read it
My idea is to create some rules around which numbers to start betting with a specific progression and number of bets. Based on your charts you would bet on all numbers with StdDev > 0. But what I am finding is the numbers showing this vary depending if they are coming out more evenly close to the mean number over the cycle. So what would be your estimation of when is the ideal time to start betting these numbers? And what limits do you put? Say your betting more than 1 number (or do you?) will you bet them for a max 36 units (ie 2 numbers for 18 spins) before increasing progression? Also will you re-evaluate the balance after these spins to determine if you should continue betting these numbers or do you change your numbers when increasing progression?
Giving it away :thumbsup:
I'm done, but will i be able to resist replying to meaningless replies to non-hit or repeats.
Thanks for your time, use the average 15 to come in spins 11-40, be it for non-hit or repeat, good luck
Quote from: ignatus on May 28, 05:09 AM 2018as i said hotnumbers fall asleep
What I have noticed is hot numbers in general, hit in 10 hit cycles
Quote from: nottophammer on May 28, 05:37 AM 2018
I'm fed up of posting this, surely you know now what the averages show.
:xd: :xd: We get it, thanks for the effort Notto! :xd: :xd:
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 27, 10:21 PM 2018
Sure - hot numbers go cold (or stay hot)
Cold numbers go hot (or stay cold)
Average numbers go hot or cold (or stay average)
It's not relevant to what I'm doing. As I clearly showed, I didn't win on all of the hottest
numbers and I ended up playing some cold ones too. I still won and BIGLY.
Nope,.. I never do that. (and praying isn't needed, the wins happen)
Sorry PassionRuleta, I had typed up a long reply and when I hit post it said
something along the lines of "you are not allowed to post in this forum" (along those
lines). I'm sure it's a glitch of some sort ((never even saved a draft so the entire reply was lost)).... I'll retype it tomorrow I suppose.)
I've been reading TG and Vaddis shit - I think I got it. This is what I think how both of them bet. Played flatbet conservatively without chasing huge winners to avoid losses drawdown else the graph can be more exponentially dramatic if use eg. 1-3-5.
Quote from: ignatus on May 28, 01:47 AM 2018
Now let's see i was lucky this time,....but what i noticed, is after about 7-8 repeats these 'hotnumbers' usually fall alseep(?) am i wrong? i think *re-tracking* is needed after some numbers have hit 7-8 times----'Hotnumbers' won't be 'hot' forever, *new numbers* will become become the hottest....that's what i believe anyway,
Can I make a suggestion on something I've had some success with? Try getting on the "new hot numbers." What I mean by this is the most recent repeaters, and limit them to only 3.
First, look at the most recent 3 repeaters and play them. Stay on these numbers as long as they keep hitting...do not change them.
If you do not get a hit in 12 spins, change your bet selection to the most recent 3 repeaters again and play the same way.
A +1/-1 progression works pretty good for this if you chose to use a progression. At some point you will have one or two numbers that stand out and gets a great hitrate over a couple sessions. Check it out :)
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 27, 10:21 PM 2018
Sure - hot numbers go cold (or stay hot)
Cold numbers go hot (or stay cold)
Average numbers go hot or cold (or stay average)
It's not relevant to what I'm doing. As I clearly showed, I didn't win on all of the hottest
numbers and I ended up playing some cold ones too. I still won and BIGLY.
That's how the numbers mix if you are looking for a clue. I didn't play continuously instead waited for favourable conditions.
Quote from: The General on May 27, 07:29 PM 2018
Actually that's called chasing your losses while betting on hot numbers.
The Achilles heel is of course a hot number that suddenly goes cold for 300 or 400 spins, meanwhile you're betting more an more while praying that you get a hit. ::)
Sure, a hot number can become cold for several hundred spins. That's why I play just a small amount of hotties for a certain number of spins. If you don't get a hit, switch to the most recent hotties. By switching you will avoid the type of loss you are talking about.
We don't know why numbers become hot. Could be nothing but basic probability, and variance. Could be bias, or wheel defect. Could be dealer signature. Who knows.
I don't really care about why. Look at any sample of short term spins...say 100 to 200 spins. You will see a anywhere from 1-3 numbers stand out and take the lead. This is why I suggest playing a small sample of hotties. And yes, hotties do change so you have to change with it when the hits stop.
The goal here is to reduce variance. Variance is usually what beats the player. If your bet selection can reduce variance, then the house edge is insignificant. For example, if I knew that I can get 1 hit in 5 spins playing a dozen numbers, then I have a winning system! If you were looking at the math alone, you would call it a loser.
Reducing variance is the key to a winning system.
Quote from: Scarface on May 28, 10:43 AM 2018
The goal here is to reduce variance. Variance is usually what beats the player. If your bet selection can reduce variance, then the house edge is insignificant. For example, if I knew that I can get 1 hit in 5 spins playing a dozen numbers, then I have a winning system! If you were looking at the math alone, you would call it a loser.
Reducing variance is the key to a winning system.
NO. If you don't have the edge over the casino, then the last thing you want to do is to do a way with variance. Variance aka LUCK is your chance to win! (or to lose.)
If you do away with it, then you're left losing at the house edge. For example, bet every number on the roulette wheel and you've removed all variance, and you'll, of course, lose at exactly the house edge.
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 28, 05:33 AM 2018
At some Point, the cold numbers Will try to catch up with the hotnumbers, they Always Will try that, and some Will succes. Not play the sessions to Long, you don't need to reset to continue playing the same numbers! I know that after a few hundred spins the game Will be More balanced out, that's the reason i Will only play when the game is not in balance.
Oh really? On the live wheel, the more spins you have, the less balanced the data will appear.
Quote from: The General on May 28, 12:34 PM 2018
NO. If you don't have the edge over the casino, then the last thing you want to do is to do a way with variance. Variance aka LUCK is your chance to win! (or to lose.) If you do away with it, then you're left losing at the house edge. For example, bet every number on the roulette wheel and you've removed all variance, and you'll, of course, lose at exactly the house edge.
Of course I mean reduce negative variance. If positive variance is on my side, I ride it out as long as I can! If my numbers keep hitting, I keep playing.
If numbers stop hitting, I switch to the most recent hotties, or repeaters. Switching will never produce the losses you talked about earlier. Look at any set of set of samples and you will see.
Who's to say I don't have an edge? I may not know why a certain group of numbers are hot. Sure it could be just probability. Or something else, along the lines to temporary bias via dealer signature or wheel defect. I don't really care why...as long as it works.
You're obviously good at math. But think outside the box. I think more about sessions, not individual hits. Not looking for 1 hit to put me back in the positive. If you can reduce variance, you can beat this game. Think about the simple example I gave: if you can get 1 hit on average for every 5 spins betting a dozen...this could be easily won with not much of a progression. The math equation says no, but using simple logic says yes
A buddy of mine went to the casino with me a little while back. Never played roulette in his life. His strategy was simple, and effective. He played the minimum $1 bet on a couple numbers. I don't think he played anymore than 5 numbers at most. As long as they were hitting, he kept playing. If after a little while with no hits, he'd switch 1 or 2 out with most recent hotties.
First time player, keeping it simple. Just flat betting a the most recent hotties at only $1 a number...no more than 5 numbers at most. Won over 300 in couple hours.
Don't play a lot of numbers. Don't get crazy with progressions. Keep it simple :)
Quote from: Scarface on May 28, 01:09 PM 2018
A buddy of mine went to the casino with me a little while back. Never played roulette in his life. His strategy was simple, and effective. He played the minimum $1 bet on a couple numbers. I don't think he played anymore than 5 numbers at most. As long as they were hitting, he kept playing. If after a little while with no hits, he'd switch 1 or 2 out with most recent hotties.
First time player, keeping it simple. Just flat betting a the most recent hotties at only $1 a number...no more than 5 numbers at most. Won over 300 in couple hours.
Don't play a lot of numbers. Don't get crazy with progressions. Keep it simple :)
A clever friend. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Scarface on May 28, 01:09 PM 2018...no more than 5 numbers at most. Won over 300 in couple hours.
Oh wait, let me throw this in because you "have to" now.
It wasn't enough spins.
He got "lucky"
Eventually he will lose to the house edge (even if he never plays again)
The game was rigged.
If he took a bankroll or someone gave him cash to use, it's rigged.
Whew, there. Now you won't be called "misleading". Thank me later lol
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 28, 02:24 PM 2018
Eventually he will lose to the house edge (even if he never plays again)
LoL….that was funny!
QuoteScarface-Switching will never produce the losses you talked about earlier. Look at any set of set of samples and you will see.
Why?
Are the new numbers to which you switched more likely to hit over the next series of spins than the old numbers, and if so, then why? ::)
What do you suppose the hit frequency will be for the new numbers?
I hate to say it but you're inventing new fallacies to make up for the old ones.
Can't you Just Make a new Forum for All those naysayers and nom believers???
A Forum full of those wonderful bias methods :lol:
JEKH,
When you were in school, did you want to know when or if you made a mistake on your math homework?
Would you rather remain blissfully ignorant, or would your rather learn something?
Quote from: jekhb76 on May 28, 02:51 PM 2018
Can't you Just Make a new Forum for All those naysayers and nom believers???
A Forum full of those wonderful bias methods :lol:
What will happened if you play only number 7 all day?
Quote from: Lucky7Red on May 28, 04:34 PM 2018
What will happened if you play only number 7 all day?
I would have lost â,¬46 euro :xd:
The wheel has no memory.
Hot numbers, cold numbers ... It's all in your head.
The wheel does not give a crap about it.
The only way to win is to bet that a rare event will not happen.
You can bet on hot or cold numbers as long as the strategy rely on a rare event.
Imho
I have my own strategy but is not so simple like that.
Quote from: The General on May 28, 02:47 PM 2018
Why?
Are the new numbers to which you switched more likely to hit over the next series of spins than the old numbers, and if so, then why? ::)
What do you suppose the hit frequency will be for the new numbers?
Test it out and see for yourself :)
General,
My way of play is no more fallacy than yours. Was it you or Steve that once said even a bias number can take 400 spins to show up. So, you spend 100s of hours tracking thousands of numbers...who's to say your sample is large enough? How do you know it's not variance? Surely, the casino computers would spot this long before you. This is not the 1970s. Casinos have technology now.
But they let you continue playing on what you think is a biased wheel....even when your number may take 400 spins to fall. Good luck with that
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I dont know where to start. It ends up in the same place though.
Its your money guys.
Quote- Scarface -General,
My way of play is no more fallacy than yours. Was it you or Steve that once said even a bias number can take 400 spins to show up.
No, I've said the unit draw down on a small group of numbers could easily be or surpass 400 units on a strong bias. I didn't say that a single biased number would go 400 spins without hitting. I have been on a biased number that hasn't hit for over 200 spins before. Again, note the word biased.
Now if a group of biased numbers can have negative variance in the 400 units plus range, how much variance do you suppose your system can have, (which doesn't have an edge)? ::)
Quote..who's to say your sample is large enough? How do you know it's not variance?
I know because of the visible defects, chi square and because of the standard deviation size. Just curious, have you ever viewed the data from such a wheel?
QuoteSurely, the casino computers would spot this long before you. This is not the 1970s. Casinos have technology now.
Yes, some casinos have data downloads. And yes they move the wheels around. But do you for even one moment think that they really remove biased wheels from play, and why should they? Biased wheels make money just like the regular wheels. I could tell 99% of the people on this forum that a wheel was biased, yet almost nobody could beat the wheel because they don't know how to track, play it, or correctly exploit it.
QuoteBut they let you continue playing on what you think is a biased wheel....even when your number may take 400 spins to fall. Good luck with that
Again, if I have the edge, and may experience a draw down of 400 units, then just how large do you suppose your draw down could be playing your system where you don't have the edge? The answer is, If you don't have an edge, then the max draw down can be bottomless! ::).
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 28, 07:17 PM 2018
The wheel has no memory.
Hot numbers, cold numbers ... It's all in your head.
The wheel does not give a crap about it.
The only way to win is to bet that a rare event will not happen.
You can bet on hot or cold numbers as long as the strategy rely on a rare event.
Imho
I have my own strategy but is not so simple like that.
Andre,
What makes you think that a "rare event" has a boundary that enables you to step outside of probability in order to exploit the "rare event?"
For example, let's say the number 5 hasn't hit in 300 spins. Is that a "rare event" that you can exploit?
How about if I've just witnessed 10 blacks in a row. Is that a "rare event" that you can exploit?
Do you feel that the probability of winning has changed as a result of the "rare event?" :o
See link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ - it explains all the common mistakes. Best to carefully read it, unless you don't mind not knowing the truth.
There's a lot more:
FICTION: You can build a system around a “rare event†that you’ll never see in your lifetime
Another common mistake is believing you can use progression to win before a “rare event†happens. It’s incorrect because the odds still haven’t changed. Your perception of a “rare†event is actually something that will eventually happen in enough spins.
For example, you may have never seen these winning numbers in a row: 1,2,3,4,5. But chances are you’ve never seen this sequence either: 32,4,18,9,1. If you see enough spins, they will happen exactly the same amount of times. Each sequence is just as rare as the other.
Another example is expecting you’ll never see 37 different numbers appear in 37 spins. Firstly, it will happen just as often as any other sequence of 37 spins. So why would you favor one group of 37 numbers over another 37 numbers? There is no difference at all. Each spin is independent and with the same odds. It’s exactly the same as expecting to never see four reds in a row (RRRR). It may occur less often than a mixed sequence like BRRB or RBRB, but the odds of any specific sequence happening are exactly the same. So thinking one sequence is more rare than another is delusion.
Put another way, imagine waiting many years to see the spin sequence 1,2,3,4,5. It seems really rare, and you bet that #6 wont spin next. But actually the odds of #6 spinning next are the same as any other number. Run some proper simulations and you’ll see no matter how you play it, you cannot change your odds by betting that rare events wont happen.
Quote from: Steve on May 28, 09:33 PM 2018
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I dont know where to start. It ends up in the same place though.
Its your money guys.
Yea you are right. I see the light.
OK I chose to lose!!!
DUMBfark
LOSE, LOSE, LOSE.....LOSER:xd: :xd: :xd:
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 28, 07:17 PM 2018
The wheel has no memory.
Hot numbers, cold numbers ... It's all in your head.
The wheel does not give a crap about it.
The only way to win is to bet that a rare event will not happen.
You can bet on hot or cold numbers as long as the strategy rely on a rare event.
Imho
I have my own strategy but is not so simple like that.
Yes the rare event is that I am a born loser, that's my perfect strategy which gives me a natural negative edge. :thumbsup: >:D :thumbsup: >:D :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Note : Don't believe the rouletesimulator graphs above. The rng is rigged.
Quote from: Steve on May 29, 12:11 AM 2018
See link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ - it explains all the common mistakes. Best to carefully read it, unless you don't mind not knowing the truth.
There's a lot more:
FICTION: You can build a system around a “rare event†that you’ll never see in your lifetime
Another common mistake is believing you can use progression to win before a “rare event†happens. It’s incorrect because the odds still haven’t changed. Your perception of a “rare†event is actually something that will eventually happen in enough spins.
For example, you may have never seen these winning numbers in a row: 1,2,3,4,5. But chances are you’ve never seen this sequence either: 32,4,18,9,1. If you see enough spins, they will happen exactly the same amount of times. Each sequence is just as rare as the other.
Another example is expecting you’ll never see 37 different numbers appear in 37 spins. Firstly, it will happen just as often as any other sequence of 37 spins. So why would you favor one group of 37 numbers over another 37 numbers? There is no difference at all. Each spin is independent and with the same odds. It’s exactly the same as expecting to never see four reds in a row (RRRR). It may occur less often than a mixed sequence like BRRB or RBRB, but the odds of any specific sequence happening are exactly the same. So thinking one sequence is more rare than another is delusion.
Put another way, imagine waiting many years to see the spin sequence 1,2,3,4,5. It seems really rare, and you bet that #6 wont spin next. But actually the odds of #6 spinning next are the same as any other number. Run some proper simulations and you’ll see no matter how you play it, you cannot change your odds by betting that rare events wont happen.
Let's assume you've never seen this sequence since you started playing roulette: 1,2,3,4,5. And let's assume that the sequence 1,2,3,4,5,6 has never happened since roulette was invented. The casino owner comes to you and says, Steve, you can choose a number that you think will not hit. If that number does not hit I'll give you $ 1000,000,000. What number would you choose? If you choose 6 and that number hits you will be in the Guinness book being the most unlucky guy in the history of casinos.
Another example:
Would you choose bettng after RR or after RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR?
Please be honest
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 29, 01:22 AM 2018
Let's assume you've never seen this sequence since you started playing roulette: 1,2,3,4,5. And let's assume that the sequence 1,2,3,4,5,6 has never happened since roulette was invented. The casino owner comes to you and says, Steve, you can choose a number that you think will not hit. If that number does not hit I'll give you $ 1000,000,000. What number would you choose? If you choose 6 and that number hits you will be in the Guinness book being the most unlucky guy in the history of casinos.
Another example:
Would you choose bettng after RR or after RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR?
Please be honest
Well, let's look at the wheel and count the number of pockets on it after having just witnessed the event.
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Are there still 37 pockets on it in which the ball can land? (38 on double zero wheel.)
And don't the number of pockets on the wheel determine the odds of winning?If so, then why would RR be more or less likely than BB or RB or BR to hit? :o
Andre, I would bet #7 because it is possible, however unlikely, that the wheel is rigged to create such a sequence (perhaps the casino owner is crooked, with magnetic wheels, and makes patterns like that for kicks). But if it were rigged for that, then it would be just as likely that the casino makes the ball avoid #7. But if I knew the wheel was fair, I'd know it wouldn't really matter what number I bet.
If the sequence was RRRRR etc like you described, I would bet R for similar reasons as above, except that there is a small chance that the red numbers are biased. But again if I knew the wheel was fair and unbiased, then I'd know it wouldnt make a difference because the odds havent changed.
I would not bet 7 or Red for the same reasons most players here would (some magical reason that doesnt really exist).
In any case, I would look at cause and effect. Most systems base predictions on fallacy - patterns that dont really exist.
More loser graphs fresh from the oven specially for the graph lovers !!!
I can produce this graphs all day long. I was born to lose. >:D :twisted: >:D :twisted: >:D :twisted:
CHT,
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Are you sure you're following the "trot?"
Quote from: The General on May 29, 01:48 AM 2018
CHT,
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Are you sure you're following the "trot?"
KFC !!!
Forget about the graphs. Bored just having fun. ;D
Not too many numbers, good bet selection and not forget; Agressive Progression! What can go wrong?
Absolutely nothing jek. Youre on easy street now. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on May 29, 08:34 AM 2018
Absolutely nothing jek. Youre on easy street now. :thumbsup:
Lol..
Negan says it's easy...
Quote from: The General on May 29, 01:48 AM 2018
CHT,
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Are you sure you're following the "trot?"
The general... You're the funniest guy here... Lol
Keep posting funny things... Lol
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Andre, you and the other two idiots make me laugh, Muttley do something
Quote from: Scarface on May 28, 12:57 PM 2018
Of course I mean reduce negative variance. If positive variance is on my side, I ride it out as long as I can! If my numbers keep hitting, I keep playing.
If numbers stop hitting, I switch to the most recent hotties, or repeaters. Switching will never produce the losses you talked about earlier. Look at any set of set of samples and you will see.
Who's to say I don't have an edge? I may not know why a certain group of numbers are hot. Sure it could be just probability. Or something else, along the lines to temporary bias via dealer signature or wheel defect. I don't really care why...as long as it works.
You're obviously good at math. But think outside the box. I think more about sessions, not individual hits. Not looking for 1 hit to put me back in the positive. If you can reduce variance, you can beat this game. Think about the simple example I gave: if you can get 1 hit on average for every 5 spins betting a dozen...this could be easily won with not much of a progression. The math equation says no, but using simple logic says yes
Hi Scarface, I would like to ask which progression you recommend in this example please? Thx
Quote from: nottophammer on May 29, 11:09 AM 2018
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Andre, you and the other two idiots make me laugh, Muttley do something
Quote from: nottophammer on May 29, 11:09 AM 2018
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Andre, you and the other two idiots make me laugh, Muttley do something
I played from yesterday
A certain concept fell into my head.
The graph shows 2 streets played flat on every spin and how it behaves against the house edge.
However, what I wants to write, I wants to thank General.
Paradoxically in his older posts, I found the concept of reducing the edge.
I do not know how it will behave in the long run, but probably thanks to this 2 concepts I am able to minimize the edge to such an extent that it plays almost to zero. Play flat.
With variance, you can play with infinity with the casino. Losing minimum rates.
Ozon, any 2 streets? Do you choose 1 hot and 1 cold, or random?
"Pretty clear by now nobody wins playing roulette - mickey mouse win yes significant b&m casino win no.
Except AP guys like General.
Don't be addicted with roulette system fantasy - you will be in forever lost state consistently losing money like the system veterans on forums."
- CHT
If your goal is winning serious money go to baccarat.
You cant get a 150% edge with baccarat. You can with roulette.
Quote from: Steve on May 30, 10:39 PM 2018
You cant get a 150% edge with baccarat. You can with roulette.
I'm all ears
with roulete computers. it has all been said before
Quote from: ignatus on May 28, 05:09 AM 2018
Well, now, IF 'hotnumbers' were to have a 'special' good hitrate, then i would be a winner, but now??? Betting 7 of the hottest of the hotnumbers. playing as adviced from TG, "with an agressive progression" i lost my whole BR....now who is the fool here? me? yes? i must try everything many times, and fail many times, obviously, before i learn?? So, good people, don't play 'hotnumbers' , steve was right all along. "hotnumbers" do not have a "special good hitrate" Thank you
:thumbsup:
TG contradict himself all the time...
Pay some attention, people
Quote from: Steve on May 30, 11:21 PM 2018
with roulete computers. it has all been said before
That's I already know...
I meant without Roulette computers...
Well, you know what I mean...
Quick 1000 spins here.
This concept about which I wrote a combination of one idea with the idea General.
Generally it is a method based on hot numbers or sectors.
in this chart, I played only 2 numbers, every spin.
The sample is very small because playing only 2 numbers should have several thousand spin. But it will probably be around zero, with small losses.
But what I noticed and not only me. Playing sessions from the beginning and up to 500 spin, methods based on hot numbers, have a peak,
It is weird because in a long run, lost, playing flat, the house edge should eat us.
If I have some time, I will play several sessions for up to 500 spins and compare the result
I played another 500 spins
The method on the 2 streets result is -25 units
But it was a mistake, watching the numbers that fell out, the most common were the 2 numbers that I would choose. In this situation, it would be a big plus.
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 30, 11:23 PM 2018
:thumbsup:
TG contradict himself all the time...
Pay some attention, people
No offense but I do not think you should be pointing fingers about contradictions as the biggest contradiction I have seen on this forum was:
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 22, 10:57 AM 2018
If I show more than that the casinos will remove the baccarat tables.
I'll no longer be here in this forum anymore...
Cheers
and then...
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 23, 10:55 AM 2018
That's my last call here in this forum before I leave.
Whoever is interested I'm selling my strategy for $ 3,000. I will play along with the bettor via Skype and I will give all the support.
If you don't recover the money invested I will refund the player.
and you are still here...
Pay some attention, people
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 30, 10:32 PM 2018"Pretty clear by now nobody wins playing roulette - mickey mouse win yes significant b&m casino win no.
With a closed mind like this, its pretty clear you wont win. Just because you arnt winning doesnt automatically lead one to come to the conclusion that no one is winning
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 30, 10:32 PM 2018Except AP guys like General.
Dont believe rhetoric, because all you have on what Caleb says are his words. He is entitled to say those words, but you have no reason what so ever to believe them with no proof.
If you can find this Casino, you may have a chance of detecting a biased wheel
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Quote from: ZERO on May 31, 03:45 AM 2018
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 23, 02:55 PM 2018
That's my last call here in this forum before I leave.
Whoever is interested I'm selling my strategy for $ 3,000. I will play along with the bettor via Skype and I will give all the support.
If you don't recover the money invested I will refund the player.
and you are still here...
Pay some attention, people
Wow, I had never even seen that post. So another scammer suddenly doesn't like me. I'm shocked lol.
That's a cool pic Turner!
It's pretty obvious that the guy with the tilted hat (red arrow) is hiding some kind of device.
The guy with the blue arrow is a 'newbie' and wondering what the heck is going on! :xd:
QuoteWow, I had never even seen that post. So another scammer suddenly doesn't like me. I'm shocked lol.
i guess he did not want to refund the money :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: ZERO on May 31, 03:45 AM 2018
No offense but I do not think you should be pointing fingers about contradictions as the biggest contradiction I have seen on this forum was:
and then...
and you are still here...
Pay some attention, people
Yes, I'm still here and I will keep here...
I changed my mind...
So what?
Quote from: Turner on May 31, 05:06 AM 2018
With a closed mind like this, its pretty clear you wont win. Just because you arnt winning doesnt automatically lead one to come to the conclusion that no one is winning
Dont believe rhetoric, because all you have on what Caleb says are his words. He is entitled to say those words, but you have no reason what so ever to believe them with no proof.
If you can find this Casino, you may have a chance of detecting a biased wheel
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That was CHT statement not mine.
So go talk to him...
I play roulette for fun... I win money playing baccarat...
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 31, 12:10 PM 2018
Yes, I'm still here and I will keep here...
I changed my mind...
So what?
So what? = then do not call out other member`s contradictions when you are contradicting yourself! :wink:
Quote from: TurboGenius on May 31, 06:19 AM 2018
Wow, I had never even seen that post. So another scammer suddenly doesn't like me. I'm shocked lol.
At least I was honest in saying that I was selling my strategy. I'm not like you. You misleading the people. You contradict yourself all the time.
If people read your previous posts they will realize that.
I feel sad about you... Maybe you need some attention
Quote from: ZERO on May 31, 12:16 PM 2018
So what? = then do not call out other member`s contradictions when you are contradicting yourself! :wink:
Turbo contradictiz himself when he talks about his strategy.
I just changed my mind about keep in this forum...
Well, nevermind...
that's your money, guys... Just keep your eyes on tg contradictory posts.
I'm done here
This thread is going crazy.. nonsense what's going on here!
Turbo.. everywhere i see turbo, everybody talks about turbo...
Tubro's talk is just rumor, everybody talks about it but no body truly knows it
Say yes to no Tubro!
And yet, Nobody knows how simple it all is what Turbo is trying to say to us All the Time.
Just wanted to say, that it don't need to be that hard at all. :lol:
Just thought i throw a little 'Passion' in to the post :twisted:
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 31, 12:32 PM 2018Well, nevermind...
that's your money, guys... Just keep your eyes on tg contradictory posts.
I'm done here
You're only here at all because your 3k scam didn't work. No suckers took you up on it ?
Quote from: Andre Chass on May 31, 12:11 PM 2018I play roulette for fun... I win money playing baccarat...
And to find out how - just send this scammer 4k - but hurry, he's leaving the forums - you have to be quick.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 31, 03:23 PM 2018Turbo.. everywhere i see turbo, everybody talks about turbo...
Well, what can I say.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 01, 03:43 AM 2018Well, what can I say.
lol....keep going mate !
This Rhino just said "wow, that TG has got thick skin" lol
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Quote from: Andre Chass on May 31, 12:32 PM 2018
Well, nevermind...
that's your money, guys... Just keep your eyes on tg contradictory posts.
I'm done here
Good. Take some time out and go get your knee fixed.
I trust andre chas, he showed initially extrem interest in roulette but after he found out that baccarat is working for him, he has no longer interest in roulette.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 01, 05:00 AM 2018
lol....keep going mate !
This Rhino just said "wow, that TG has got thick skin" lol
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This rhino is very unique and rare race
His father was a dino !
:xd:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 01, 08:27 AM 2018
I trust andre chas, he showed initially extrem interest in roulette but after he found out that baccarat is working for him, he has no longer interest in roulette.
Thank you RoulettebLeater
QuoteI trust andre chas, he showe...
sure you do....you are same crapppppppppppppppppppppppp....one needs money for medical reasons the other one is good at math and
statistics but does not know how to build up progressssion for his play....
yeah just great...fuck offfffff :twisted: :twisted:
Well maybe it's me and having all the luck in the world or it must be the math & random of the game at work 8)
But for the past week i play on RNG only ! yes i know, but i trust my casino. And never ever had any problems with them for the past 3 years. and their rng is fair, why, because i know.
I play cents only and use a progression of 1-5-10.
I play every repeater that comes and use the above progression on a hit. Like turbo said, you need to use an agressive progression.
As soon as i have 1 euro profit, i restart my game. daily goal now is â,¬20,00. When i reach that, i stop for the day.
Last friday i made a deposit of â,¬50,00 and now after 1 week play, my bank balance is â,¬ 210,00 ! and this is only with cents. (pennies). I played over 150 sessions and won them all.
No need to make thing complicated, just follow the wheel!
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 01, 03:32 PM 2018I play cents only and use a progression of 1-5-10.
I play every repeater that comes and use the above progression on a hit.
Did that also, as TG described, BUT problem IS all of a sudden let's say 7-8 numbers bet (more or less) with 5u bet FALL AsLEEP (as it happen with me) THEN everything goes to hell, (and that can happen very quickly) witch such a progression,...it's a very risky style of play,... 'hotnumbers' do not have a 'special good hitrate' ....and that's the End of the story,
I wrote in several posts above about the strategy tests from the combination of the idea General, who described the simulation as the house edge falls along with the number and distance, I, for my part, added the concept of a shared trend.
This is a flat bet losing concept, but I wonder what it would look like if you use a limited positive progression like Turbo.
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If this player keeps dropping then maybe Turbo will be at the top
Eddy just the 4 hotttest used 1, 5, 25, 50
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Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 01, 06:11 PM 2018If this player keeps dropping then maybe Turbo will be at the top
True. Once they had that stupid 1 session (did you watch the spins from it ? lol)
and won that much - now they can't play because it won't happen again.
All they can do is "try" and lose 3k at a time praying it happens again..
(I just checked lol - yep I'm in first now) "Mission Accomplished"
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and just to show this screen -
267 games played
0 Resets
Not a single losing session.
close to 5 months total
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Its not hard with such broad table limits. Thats why others achieve similar results.
I'll be in touch later about your rng test with real table limits :)
TG, That's good, and congratz to your winnings.
Now, i was to say im sorry, and again im the fool? i've tested your repeters method;
--Bet *every number that shows* and double for each hit , until reached a new high.
"Problem" now, (sure it does work,) BUT it require a very large BR, About 1000u played with 1u bets, (OR 5000u played with 5u bets)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 01, 08:57 PM 2018
True. Once they had that stupid 1 session (did you watch the spins from it ? lol)
and won that much - now they can't play because it won't happen again.
All they can do is "try" and lose 3k at a time praying it happens again..
(I just checked lol - yep I'm in first now) "Mission Accomplished"
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Congrats TG ! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Guys, use the same betting limits as RS on RX and you can easily replicate those results if you aim to only increase bankroll carefully. Try it.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 01, 09:26 PM 2018Its not hard with such broad table limits.
And don't forget the terrible disadvantage of having a set starting bankroll there - unlike other simulations where there isn't that..
If I have $600,000.00 I can ONLY use 3k bankroll for any session.
So I'm restricted in that way (but hell, I'm sure that's fair right ?).
That means whatever the hell the table limits are - I HAVE to win or else that 3k
is gone and that's a losing session (of which I have none). So the wide table limits
you think are some advantage to everyone actually isn't an advantage at all - unless of course you are doing something that works.
At least at Parx you can blow your whole bankroll chasing a losing session with a negative progression if you want to and then it's gone. There's no reset button like some sites use.............
Hey who's in 3rd and who's in 4th there this week so far ? lol.
It's been a fun week, but I'm shooting for at least a top 4 finish.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 01, 09:50 PM 2018
Make this session ignatus have that such ...It is a real session in a real-life casino, I do not know if this was the one I want to play, hehehe, but you should have
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Playing these numbers my way, I would have ended up +720 Units with a 1000 unit bankroll, Highest unit per number 13
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 01, 10:46 PM 2018
Can you publish the graph that we see it? And what initial tab value? And use progression or plane?
You are also the ones who play repeated?
A pleasure Nimo, greetings
I did it manually, I just have a bunch of ticks next to the number sections. I used progression. I played 8 number dynamic repeating sections. Progression used was 2,2,2,2,3,4,5,6,8,10,13. Largest drawdown was -592 on a 1000 unit bankroll.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 01, 10:34 PM 2018
Playing these numbers my way, I would have ended up +720 Units with a 1000 unit bankroll, Highest unit per number 13
I'm doing ok too.
Hit the stop loss at -200, so no real harm...
Actually turbo it only changes time.
And you keep making the same mistakes and contradictions with your math.
Sergio..you need to read Bayes topics on median and spin distance of numbers...and connect them to repeats
Hi Nimo
is your win using the whole string of spins, or did you win say by spin 94
All 37 have hit by spin 116
Quote from: Bigbroben on Jun 01, 11:16 PM 2018Hit the stop loss at -200, so no real harm...
BBB
is the BR not a 1000 for the string of numbers which is 199 spins
i make it +3026 at spin 94
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Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 02, 05:06 AM 2018
BBB
is the BR not a 1000 for the string of numbers which is 199 spins
Oh I see why! Copy paste values got me numbers on the right of cell and are not considered as nrs by excel.
Will dive into this then...
Ok,
reached the goal of +100u with HABS ( flat, +179u at spin 89) and the +100u goal with anti-ktf (+1/-1).
A winner!
Turbo is this you?
turbo Gold Member Unless the wheel is rigged and you find out why and how it is rigged, you will always lose at roulette. There is no mathematical program that will beat that wheel. You will lose.
Reference physicsforums.com/threads/can-you-beat-roulette-using-maths.364972/page-3
Quote from: legend21 on Jun 02, 06:53 AM 2018
Turbo is this you?
turbo Gold Member Unless the wheel is rigged and you find out why and how it is rigged, you will always lose at roulette. There is no mathematical program that will beat that wheel. You will lose.
Reference physicsforums.com/threads/can-you-beat-roulette-using-maths.364972/page-3
Yes this is written by the “wise turboâ€
There is also the “gambler turboâ€
Wow the Doctor VR 46 pole position
Anyway this is betting the 4 hottest. #'s 12, 33, 7, 25 at spin95 and look whats at spin 97
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Nice and green, I must say... :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 02, 04:58 AM 2018
Hi Nimo
is your win using the whole string of spins, or did you win say by spin 94
All 37 have hit by spin 116
First win was third spin in for +56, 26 wins in total ranging from +8 to +56
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 01, 09:05 PM 2018
and just to show this screen -
267 games played
0 Resets
Not a single losing session.
close to 5 months total
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Well done bud! Thats some lovely graph ;-)
I remember somewhere you posted your average win being double your 3k bankroll at this place.
Whats the highest you've taken it it one session?
I mean in theory you could push that one session quite high. Though the table limits spoil the play once your BR is up I guess.
Turbo
Can you post the graph of a played session on steve’s MPR?
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 02, 03:02 AM 2018Pd: I would like Turbo if he is so kind, perform his usual game in the permanence.
+1,495 units at spin 148 and I wouldn't have played past that without resetting
everything.
$10.00 chips for example would have meant +$14.950.00
From the Parx website regarding their virtual games. 4. GAMES
"The Games found on parxonline.com, located under the ‘Online Casino’ navigation are a mixture of (i) Person-to-person or multi-player games of skill and chance combined; and (ii) Single-player games of chance, and certain Game rules may be modified slightly due to the nature of the website and the Internet. You accept and recognize that the Games are provided for entertainment purposes only and do not afford opportunities to win prizes, money or other form of real currency."
In short, the virtual games are MODIFIED. LOL!!
Turbo,
My offer to meet up in AC or NY still stands if you'd like to have a tournament for REAL money.
Quote from: The General on Jun 03, 01:04 AM 2018
From the Parx website regarding their virtual games. 4. GAMES
"The Games found on parxonline.com, located under the ‘Online Casino’ navigation are a mixture of (i) Person-to-person or multi-player games of skill and chance combined; and (ii) Single-player games of chance, and certain Game rules may be modified slightly due to the nature of the website and the Internet. You accept and recognize that the Games are provided for entertainment purposes only and do not afford opportunities to win prizes, money or other form of real currency."
In short, the virtual games are MODIFIED. LOL!!
Turbo,
My offer to meet up in AC or NY still stands if you'd like to have a tournament for REAL money.
Here we go again! :yawn:
Can't u Just Let it rest? Pffff
You are Just like An Old 45 with alot of scratches on it, repeating itself over and over again. Time to put a new 45 on the Table.
TG,
You have an incredible ability to fool people. Look for mental help. Everything indicates that you are a psychotic.
You do not show anything because you have nothing to show. I feel sad for the people who believe in you. Sooner or later they will realize that your strategy does not win in the long run.
Just stop misleading people and look for some help. You need to get a real life...
It's not personal... I just don't like to see good guys like you living in a psyco fantasy...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 03, 04:23 AM 2018TG,
You have an incredible ability to fool people. Look for mental help. Everything indicates that you are a psychotic.
You do not show anything because you have nothing to show. I feel sad for the people who believe in you. Sooner or later they will realize that your strategy does not win in the long run.
Just stop misleading people and look for some help. You need to get a real life...
It's not personal... I just don't like to see good guys like you living in a psyco fantasy...
Wow, coming from a lame system scammer with not even a single sale - I'd be impressed if you accurately defined my disorders lol - but you didn't.
I'm more of a sociopath by far over psychotic. INTJ (look it up) and some ASPD (just some) so in the end you're not really close, it's worse than you think.
But even then..... I'm not a scammer trying to prey on people on forums with a 3k mystery system. Nope, that's you.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 03, 04:23 AM 2018I just don't like to see good guys like you living in a psyco fantasy...
lol.. well, thanks. I'm good though. So far everything I've posted and every spin I've played in the casino (I'm pretty sure...) I was actually there and it was real. Whew this is too deep for me - I didn't even have breakfast yet.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 03, 04:23 AM 2018
TG,
You have an incredible ability to fool people. Look for mental help. Everything indicates that you are a psychotic.
You do not show anything because you have nothing to show. I feel sad for the people who believe in you. Sooner or later they will realize that your strategy does not win in the long run.
Just stop misleading people and look for some help. You need to get a real life...
It's not personal... I just don't like to see good guys like you living in a psyco fantasy...
Boom boom boom!
Strong, very stong from andre!
I hope it will make a positive shock so that the people stop being fooled !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 03, 08:49 AM 2018I hope it will make a positive shock so that the people stop being fooled !
No one puts value in the opinions of a scammer.
And no one cares who backs them up.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 03, 09:01 AM 2018
No one puts value in the opinions of a scammer.
And no one cares who backs them up.
Scammer ?
Who is the scammer?
Guys,
Turbo is NOT a scammer!
He is just another system player that has likely been fooled into believing his up as you lose progression works because of a free mode game. I've seen this happen countless times over the years.
Many of you on this forum have made the same exact mistakes and have also been suckered into believing. For example, how many of you thought that you'd found the holy grail when you first discovered the Martingale?
Again Turbo is NOT a scammer, he's just been fooled by a free mode game. His intentions though are good.
In the future it would be nice if some people would take the time to study a little basic probability. ::)
-The General
Quote from: The General on Jun 03, 12:09 PM 2018In the future it would be nice if some people would take the time to study a little basic probability
The Caleb ChatBot didnt say "study the history of the game"
I wonder if its been reprogrammed?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 03, 08:30 AM 2018I'd be impressed if you accurately defined my disorders lol - but you didn't. I'm more of a sociopath by far over psychotic
Traits of a self-professed sociopath:
Compulsive lyingNarcissism (The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder include: grandiose sense of importance, preoccupation with unlimited success, belief that one is special and unique, exploitative of others, lack of empathy, arrogance, and jealousy of others.)
Manipulation (Naturally, a sociopath is going to attempt to play puppet master with the people in their lives. This is likely when many people realize they’re dealing with a sociopath; when it becomes clear that the individual in question is trying to pull the strings and manipulate those around them to get what they want. Again, they think they’ll get away with it due to their narcissism, and don’t care about the consequences.)
It explains why you use rigged games to delude gullible followers.
Quote from: The General on Jun 03, 12:09 PM 2018
he's just been fooled by a free mode game. His intentions though are good.
I used to think that. But now I'm tipping more towards it's deliberate.
He knows his system doesnt work with normal table limits. Even the parx terms of service basically says the games are rigged and not realistic.
He clearly lied about why he stopped playing at MPR.
Unfortunately I dont think Turbo is the person I thought he was. Anyway his gullible followers will eventually learn better.
Damn Steve, you make all those things sound bad :)
It has it's good points too you know.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 03, 07:04 PM 2018It has it's good points too you know.
Not really. It's a disorder.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 03, 06:58 PM 2018Even the parx terms of service basically says the games are rigged and not realistic.
I've gotta ask. Where does it say this?
Quote from: The General on Jun 03, 01:04 AM 2018
From the Parx website regarding their virtual games. 4. GAMES
"The Games found on parxonline.com, located under the ‘Online Casino’ navigation are a mixture of (i) Person-to-person or multi-player games of skill and chance combined; and (ii) Single-player games of chance, and certain Game rules may be modified slightly due to the nature of the website and the Internet. You accept and recognize that the Games are provided for entertainment purposes only and do not afford opportunities to win prizes, money or other form of real currency."
In short, the virtual games are MODIFIED. LOL!!
And consider the math of free bonus money, which turbo doesn't want to understand, and eventually lied about.
Simply if people aren't smart enough to figure it out, it's their time and money.
link:s://youtu.be/Z5_uJrkJFsM
Quote from: Steve on Jun 04, 06:00 PM 2018And consider the math of free bonus money, which turbo doesn't want to understand, and eventually lied about.
Simply if people aren't smart enough to figure it out, it's their time and money.
Those T&Cs don't state what the modification is at all. It could actually be modified to lose more as their main goal is to get you to buy credits.
I understand the bonus thing. Anyone could save $100k and get themselves on the leaderboard with a few lucky bets or a half decent method. But, staying there week after week is entirely different. None of your bonus in that week counts towards your profit, and if your method falls short you lose the lot pretty quick. I know because I've been losing those bonuses every week for a long time in testing.
It took me a long time and careful play to get on the leaderboard and stay there when I did last year. Since then I've been only testing modified ways of play. And losing a lot.
I'm not going to debate it though. Just my opinion thrown in from experience there.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 03, 07:12 PM 2018
Not really. It's a disorder.
link:s://youtu.be/0KyLnwiFYIM
Quote from: fossell on Jun 04, 06:36 PM 2018But, staying there week after week is entirely different. None of your bonus in that week counts towards your profit, and if your method falls short you lose the lot pretty quick. I know because I've been losing those bonuses every week for a long time in testing.
It took me a long time and careful play to get on the leaderboard and stay there when I did last year.
He doesn't understand that - Steve thinks that they give you bonus money so you can't lose. I guess taking a bankroll to the casino each time means you can't lose also. lol.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 04, 08:17 PM 2018Quote from: Steve on Jun 03, 11:12 PM 2018
Not really. It's a disorder.
link:s://youtu.be/0KyLnwiFYIM
I'm still not the "scammer" preying on people to send me their money.
That puts me pretty high on the ladder compared to you.
Turbo is right “at least in ghis pointâ€
Last week i received a $25 free bonus from an online casino where i stoped playing due to technical problems at their live servers, i was able to turn 25 into 150 and i paid it out !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 04:35 AM 2018Turbo is right “at least in ghis pointâ€
Last week i received a $25 free bonus from an online casino where i stoped playing due to technical problems at their live servers, i was able to turn 25 into 150 and i paid it out !
Watch out, you're misleading now.
Steve says no casinos give you money to play with.
If they do, it's rigged and your wins are invalid now.
:) Just saying.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 06, 06:58 AM 2018
Watch out, you're misleading now.
Steve says no casinos give you money to play with.
If they do, it's rigged and your wins are invalid now.
:) Just saying.
I shit out what steve says, if was tuner who said that, i would have believed it !
Anyway, casino sometimes give you bonus if they know you are a potential player, their goal is to trap you, but if you behave properly, you might force them to pay you out the bonus plus the profit you made
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 04:35 AM 2018
Turbo is right “at least in ghis pointâ€
Last week i received a $25 free bonus from an online casino where i stoped playing due to technical problems at their live servers, i was able to turn 25 into 150 and i paid it out !
im not talking about free drink cards, meal vouchers or pissy bonus credits. Im talking about bonuses like $3000 just for logging in every day. If you can show me a casino tha does that, direct me please. You dont understand the math either. If you build the daily bonus credits you can out-bet and out win people who do have a life and dont login every day, then you can more easily win $250,000 bonus credits and rank high again and get another huge bonus.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 06, 06:58 AM 2018Watch out, you're misleading now.
Steve says no casinos give you money to play with.
If they do, it's rigged and your wins are invalid now.
Just saying.
Turbo you know I'm not talking about pissy giveaways. Show me what casino gives you $3000 for walking in the door, without even betting, every day. Cant do it? Then shhh.
The very fact you are holding onto this point is alone enough to convince me you are willfully misleading people. Nobody is that thick that they cant understand the simple math,... and then eventually claim they never bet any of the bonus money. There's a lot more that is just a bunch of red flags. You are not the person i thought you were. Your admission of being a sociopath makes perfect sense. You did hide it well before though.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 07:41 AM 2018I shit out what steve says
You shit accurate and verifiable information? Lucky you.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 06, 04:35 AM 2018
Turbo is right “at least in ghis pointâ€
Last week i received a $25 free bonus from an online casino where i stoped playing due to technical problems at their live servers, i was able to turn 25 into 150 and i paid it out !
If you compared winnings from someone that started with $1, would the free $25 have been an advantage?... think about it.
Now imagine bonuses of $3000 to $250,000. If you believe turbo, theres no advantage.
Later he changed his story to claiming he never bets with bonus money. And if you believe that, I say riiiight.
Again theres more and turbos story is full of holes. Anyone not smart enough to get it by now, and who thinks im the one with the problem, will probably never get it.
The first clue that Parx isn't the real thing is that other system players are on the top of the list as well. System players that, like Turbo, can't win on MPR. The next clue is the disclaimer about the games being altered. Then there are the multi million dollar slot winners on the site. Are we to believe that the slot game isn't real, but that the roulette game is realistic? Then of course we have the bonuses. ::)
"A number can't hit twice until it's hit once.
In order to win the game has to be random.
Math beats a math game." -And of course, the logic behind it all. ::)
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Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 03, 08:30 AM 2018
I'm more of a sociopath by far over psychotic. INTJ (look it up) and some ASPD (just some) so in the end you're not really close, it's worse than you think.
Well, at least Steve, Roulettebeater and I guessed that you have some kind of disorder. :o
Quote from: The General on Jun 06, 01:36 PM 2018
The first clue that Parx isn't the real thing is that other system players are on the top of the list as well. System players that, like Turbo, can't win on MPR. The next clue is the disclaimer about the games being altered. Then there are the multi million dollar slot winners on the site. Are we to believe that the slot game isn't real, but that the roulette game is realistic? Then of course we have the bonuses. ::)
"A number can't hit twice until it's hit once.
In order to win the game has to be random.
Math beats a math game." -And of course, the logic behind it all. ::)
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Fuckin Hell....you are really boring :o
Quote from: Turner on Jun 08, 06:27 PM 2018
Fuckin Hell....you are really boring :o
Hahahahaha, same shit different day.
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To bad, that Most of you thinks Turbo is full of sh.. re-read, re-read, trying, winning, failure, winning failure, leaning.... :wink:
And i only used a very mild progression of 1-2-4-8-16 :smile:
Tell us more please :smile:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 11, 02:00 PM 2018And i only used a very mild progression of 1-2-4-8-16
Jek your progression is aggressive, not "very mild".
There are also very few spins tested.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 11, 01:00 PM 2018re-read, re-read, trying, winning, failure, winning failure, leaning.
Try 20+ years of it like me, then you'll understand what the experienced players are on about.
50 spins on your MPR
Turbo would make a fortune, even the generals KFC does it again
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Listen to 20+years EDDY, ROFL :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 11, 06:59 PM 2018Turbo would make a fortune
He tried. Two accounts. Both lost.
And notto, how many accounts have you tried with and still lost?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 11, 02:00 PM 2018
And i only used a very mild progression of 1-2-4-8-16 :smile:
Mild progression
Youre in the right way... >:D
A highway to hell... :thumbsup:
Steve had TTTKA at 1 spot doing double dozen.
Try something else bust the old 1000 BR so whats the point going to the atm
Steve just using average on MPR +404 units on 2 games
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If was to just KTF no regard -22; but i use ROTT, watch whats going on
Now Fibo was on and spin 39 spat out 2 numbers like maestro says, gave 22,29
This is why keep a record of whats going on
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+404 for 20 bets just following the TROT on your RNG #'s
The checkpoint dont lie 15 non-hit in spins 11-40
Steve you should follow 6th senses topic, 37 back to basics, you might learn something, other than spouting on about 1/37
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 06:55 PM 2018
Try 20+ years of it like me, then you'll understand what the experienced players are on about.
The idiot never learns, the intelligent learns from his own experience, the wise learn from the experience of others.
Notto you are showing just one of your many accounts, and a statistically insignificant amount of spins on that one account.
Just tell me exactly what MPR setting you need (time between spins), pick ONE account to stick with and announce it, then show everyone how great you are.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 11, 07:47 PM 2018teve you should follow 6th senses topic, 37 back to basics, you might learn something, other than spouting on about 1/37
I'll check, but suspect there will only be more misunderstandings and fallacies.
Regarding 37 back to basics, its the same nonsense. It doesnt work because your odds are still 1 in 37. Any number is not more likely to repeat anytime soon, or at all, than any other number.
You can do your tests with 300 or so spins, but I've done mine over probably billions. I've just let software run for days testing this kind of stuff. And all I found is what every other professional or statistician says. The repeater concept is as old as gambling itself. I did that kind of testing a very long time ago.
You can either do proper testing and stop wasting time, or go around in circles for a few more years before you finally get it.
Can anyone show me any proof that a repeater is more likely to spin again anytime soon? No.
But there's still this talk about 24 numbers on average in a 37 spin cycle. That's all just basic probability. You are still stuck at 1 in 37. Repeaters changes nothing. Its the same as random betting.
I waste a lot of time explaining it, and still it isnt understood. So just tell me what you need on MPR to show everyone, and stick to one account.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 09:03 PM 2018
Regarding 37 back to basics, its the same nonsense. It doesnt work because your odds are still 1 in 37. Any number is not more likely to repeat anytime soon, or at all, than any other number.
You can do your tests with 300 or so spins, but I've done mine over probably billions. I've just let software run for days testing this kind of stuff. And all I found is what every other professional or statistician says. The repeater concept is as old as gambling itself. I did that kind of testing a very long time ago.
You can either do proper testing and stop wasting time, or go around in circles for a few more years before you finally get it.
Can anyone show me any proof that a repeater is more likely to spin again anytime soon? No.
But there's still this talk about 24 numbers on average in a 37 spin cycle. That's all just basic probability. You are still stuck at 1 in 37. Repeaters changes nothing. Its the same as random betting.
I waste a lot of time explaining it, and still it isnt understood. So just tell me what you need on MPR to show everyone, and stick to one account.
If you Have wasted so much Time in explaining, why don't you Just stop explaining and Let us be :question:
The 37 Back to basics is one of the best threads here on the forum in a very long time. Even you might learn 1 or 2 things from it, if you Just stop explaining why things won't work. Maybe explain things that actualy do work. Nothing personal, but you are Keep repeating yourself over and over again.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 09:03 PM 2018
Regarding 37 back to basics, its the same nonsense. It doesnt work because your odds are still 1 in 37. Any number is not more likely to repeat anytime soon, or at all, than any other number.
You can do your tests with 300 or so spins, but I've done mine over probably billions. I've just let software run for days testing this kind of stuff. And all I found is what every other professional or statistician says. The repeater concept is as old as gambling itself. I did that kind of testing a very long time ago.
You can either do proper testing and stop wasting time, or go around in circles for a few more years before you finally get it.
Can anyone show me any proof that a repeater is more likely to spin again anytime soon? No.
But there's still this talk about 24 numbers on average in a 37 spin cycle. That's all just basic probability. You are still stuck at 1 in 37. Repeaters changes nothing. Its the same as random betting.
I waste a lot of time explaining it, and still it isnt understood. So just tell me what you need on MPR to show everyone, and stick to one account.
What actually doesn’t work ? Not giving any system? Or so you mean the balance doesn’t work?
Please enlighten me what doesn’t
Work
Just re read ..Repeats? I’m on about balancing...hits 1in 37 odds is like you say so undeniably balance happens...there’s never been a tracker like ayks posted before with the spin count on it and coloured sections for each cycle..
Very handy tool even for you
One example I gave is you will never see a gap of 12 unhit numbers in a row...an example in the extreme is one dozen sleeping this long.or sleeping in this tracker .never in my own personal playing have I seen this...
Or am I wrong? But on the other side of the coin if it happened the other two dozens would not have very large unhit numbers between them becouse the average is 24 out ..37 out and 1 dozen sleeping? Is this wrong too?
Statistics Steve don’t lie
When this 37 back to basics has been looked at then I’ll go into 74 back to basics to show you what usually happens too then we can disagree some more 😃
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 12, 09:15 AM 2018
Just re read ..Repeats? I’m on about balancing...hits 1in 37 odds is like you say so undeniably balance happens...there’s never been a tracker like ayks posted before with the spin count on it and coloured sections for each cycle..
Very handy tool even for you
One example I gave is you will never see a gap of 12 unhit numbers in a row...an example in the extreme is one dozen sleeping this long.or sleeping in this tracker .never in my own personal playing have I seen this...
Or am I wrong? But on the other side of the coin if it happened the other two dozens would not have very large unhit numbers between them becouse the average is 24 out ..37 out and 1 dozen sleeping? Is this wrong too?
Statistics Steve don’t lie
When this 37 back to basics has been looked at then I’ll go into 74 back to basics to show you what usually happens too then we can disagree some more 😃
No!
I saw a dozen sleeping for 18 spins !
And i think it can be up to 22 !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 12, 10:41 AM 2018
No!
I saw a dozen sleeping for 18 spins !
And i think it can be up to 22 !
Re read what I posted I think eddy was 29 on Rng
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 12, 10:41 AM 2018
No!
I saw a dozen sleeping for 18 spins !
And i think it can be up to 22 !
My apologies I re read myself lol I meant you will not see a dozen sleeping for 37 spins or a linear gap that long either
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 12, 11:00 AM 2018
Re read what I posted I think eddy was 29 on Rng
Yep, you're Right.
The longest sleeping dozen i ever saw was:
29 spins on RNG.
24 spins in a BM casino Live Play.
This is from Turbo`s site:
"This page is to document some extremes that have been noted during a recent runoff of 1 million spins (rng)."
Location...Longest no show...Most repeated
Straight Up.......466..........4
Splits................249..........6
Streets..............160..........7
Corners............136..........7
Line..................89............9
Dozen...............35...........13
Column.............38...........12
Even Money......24...........19
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after 10 spins 28 non hits left.
11-20 5 non hits hit - 23 left
21-40 10 non hits hit - 13 left
41-60 4 non hits hit - 9 left
61-80 2 non hits hit - 7 left
81-100 2 non hits hit - 5 left
101-120 1 non hit his - 4 left
121-140 1 non hit hits - 3 left
141-160 0 non hits hit - 3 left
161-180 2 non hits hit - 1 left
181-188 1 non hit hit - 0 left
Quote from: Steve on Jun 11, 09:03 PM 2018Can anyone show me any proof that a repeater is more likely to spin again anytime soon?
Hi Steve,
Here's Proof tracking Repeaters over 37 spins 'Can' give an advantage. Last night I spent 6 hours until 2:30aM at the casino struggling to make a couple hundred bucks on my quest for financial freedom. Ended up breaking even at the Baccarat tables and was all done for the night.
Decided to track some roulette spins using the ayk tracker. Very useful tool to have at the casino. After 37 spins shown in the screenshot attached I decided to bet all the 2+ repeaters. Only got to put 7 of them on before 30 second 'no more bets'. So out of 37 numbers to choose from on the very next spin I had to find the winning number. So why not bet all the repeaters. After all they came out more often. Ignore the non hits they likely won't come out any time soon. You won't agree I know because all numbers have same chance right? Well coincidence or not I chose 12, 32, 19, 4, 21, 17, 34 [8,23] because they came out recently more often than the others. Did not have time to put on the last two so I started praying they would not get hit. Well as you can see on the 38th spin after I started tracking, one of the repeats repeats again. 21. Yeah 1 spin I choose the winning number from 37 possible numbers. Lucky choice or not I will take this win any day because I have absolutely no luck choosing the correct number, color, high/low, even/odd if I had to guess it myself. If you want to clean up on Roulette just ask me what to choose and then do the opposite. You will make a killing. I have no luck picking the winning side.
So, advantage or not I'll take this win anytime. So up $50 at 2:20am I went home a winner thanks to a strategy of only choosing repeats and ignoring the other numbers. I know its fallacy but better than luck as I have none if left to my own devices.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Cheers,
Ricky
That's not proof. So you had a win. $50. Keep using it and see.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 13, 07:59 PM 2018I know its fallacy but better than luck
Most people here dont actually know what they're saying. You basically said "I know its random and luck, but it's better than my luck". I not criticizing you. Many members dont want to listen or even try to understand what more experienced players say. It's not my money.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 13, 08:43 PM 2018
That's not proof. So you had a win. $50. Keep using it and see.
;D
I knew you'd disagree. But its $50 in my pocket I didn't have. That's all that matters at the end of the day. Not complaining :thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 12, 08:22 AM 2018If you Have wasted so much Time in explaining, why don't you Just stop explaining and Let us be
Jek I dont care if you want to lose your own money. I'm concerned about the ignorant newbie that believes the nonsense some members spread, then they lose money.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 12, 08:22 AM 2018if you Just stop explaining why things won't work. Maybe explain things that actualy do work
I've been doing exactly that. Problem is people arent getting the very simple explanations.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 12, 08:22 AM 2018Nothing personal, but you are Keep repeating yourself over and over again.
Yeah thats because people arent getting it.
I try saying it many different ways, even giving software and exact testing procedures, with results in their face, but I assume people either lack the intelligence, or are too lazy to actually do proper testing. I think its a combination of both.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 12, 08:34 AM 2018What actually doesn’t work ? Not giving any system? Or so you mean the balance doesn’t work?
Please enlighten me what doesn’t
Start with :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
Even if I went into precise detail about a specific method or approach, and why it wont work, it is not understood. I'm typing clear english though. A mathematician would understand. Anyone with sound logic and basic understanding would. Even a high school student. But on forums, it seems the logic and understanding is just gone. Again its not my money. I have tried to explain but I'm not the only one.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 12, 09:15 AM 2018One example I gave is you will never see a gap of 12 unhit numbers in a row...an example in the extreme is one dozen sleeping this long.or sleeping in this tracker .never in my own personal playing have I seen this...
Or am I wrong? But on the other side of the coin if it happened the other two dozens would not have very large unhit numbers between them becouse the average is 24 out ..37 out and 1 dozen sleeping? Is this wrong too?
Statistics Steve don’t lie
Right, statistics dont lie. The problem is you arent understanding them.
Try using your "never-fail" repeaters theory to change the odds. You are stuck at 1 in 37, and stuck with payouts 35-1. Your bet selection is exactly the same as random. You changed nothing.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 12, 09:52 AM 2018I do not agree with Steve because he talks about odds of 1:37
Then you'd better check your math.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 12, 09:52 AM 2018which has nothing to do with the outputs of the numbers, the probability is one thing, the numbers output patterns is something else.
The odds how often you will win on average. Right, its not exactly the exact output of numbers. So let's try beating roulette by using a method that has no real correlation to the variables that determine winning numbers. Sounds stupid, right? That's what repeaters tries to do.
WHY would a number repeat? If there are completely random and unpredictable game outcomes, it's random.
R A N D O M.
That means 1 in 37 accuracy.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 12, 09:52 AM 2018the probability is one thing, the numbers output patterns is something else.
Then practice what you preach and start looking at the variables that cause outcomes, not the outcomes that cause outcomes.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 13, 08:47 PM 2018
;D
I knew you'd disagree. But its $50 in my pocket I didn't have. That's all that matters at the end of the day. Not complaining :thumbsup:
Yeah I agree its a profit. I dont agree it is proof like you said. Why would I? They're very different things.
People are getting stuck on this 24 numbers in 37 spins crap.
And the crap about 2 hits comes after 1, 3 after 2, 4 after 3 and so on.
Pay attention.
You cant make use of that because you still wont know WHICH numbers will repeat. Some will, some wont. How accurate can you be? No better than 1 in 37. YOU CHANGED NOTHING.
Try covering every number, and when you get a hit, bet extra on the hit numbers. All you're doing is increasing the stake on a number that PREVIOUSLY hit. It doesnt mean it is going to hit more frequently later. It's still stuck at 1 in 37.
Fans of repeaters here will say I'm wrong blah blah and I repeat myself. But you are going to find what I found, and what millions of other gamblers, and professionals found before..... that repeaters change nothing. You may not find out today, or tomorrow, but eventually you'll say you should have listened earlier, and done proper testing earlier. Again its not my money.
Repeaters system is just a fallacy...
:thumbsup:
Then practice what you preach and start looking at the variables that cause outcomes, not the outcomes that cause outcomes.
That’s what I’m doing lol 😂 re read my thread
I’m not stuck in 24 out of 37 I’m stuck with balancing
I said it’s the average
Statistics don’t lie lol
Same as 1. In 37 😂
I think Your are stuck with 1 in 37 ...
I’m stuck with statistics
I’d rather listen to what the wheel had been telling for centuries than the old 1 in 37
Although we all know 1 in 37 is true..so what I’m explaining is true too 👍 prove it otherwise
I dont think you understand the point.
What you're saying is like saying after 1,000 spins, there will be an even spread between red/black. So what? That's what we expect with basic probability. It hasnt changed the odds.
Make it simple.
No matter what little patterns you can think exist, all that matters is the odds of winning on the next spin.
If a number will spin sometime soon, that means better than 1 in 37 odds.
I'm sorry if you dont get it. Ive wasted enough time.
Remember the fundamental problem with losing systems is it doesn't change the odds. Still 1 in 37 odds, still the same payout, still the same result: LOSS.
You tell me 1 in 37 doesnt matter. I disagree. But its not my opinion. It's just a matter of fact. But you and others are not understanding it and its relevance.
So when you develop all these fancy methods of bet selection, you forget the most basic math. If your odds are still 1 in 37, and the payout is still a shitty 35-1, then you changed nothing.
Hi Steve,
Don't know what you're age is bit Just for the record, i'm not a newbie at all.
If you are playing roulette for More then 20 years, jua saying.
You Just don't understand, that Random has limits. With All your Experience you should know :wink:
There are facts, that Will happen in roulette everytime you play. If you like it or not. I Will never See 37 out of 37 in my Life. On spin 75 i Will Have at least 1 repeater. A number doesn't Sleep for 1000 spins. Shall i go on? If you say otherwise, it's better you'd start playing another game. RANDOM HAS LIMITS!!!!!!!!!!!! Do i know how to make a constant profit out of it? No not yet, but eventualy i Will. Why, because i stopped looking inside the box. Repeats are the only way to victory. But hey, Keep preaching. Atleast i will have a good laugh now and then. :thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 12:36 AM 2018You Just don't understand, that Random has limits
NO, it doesn't. If you're talking trash like maximum 200 spins for an unhit number, you are still stuck at 1 in 37.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 12:36 AM 2018With All your Experience you should know
I do know. You clearly dont.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 12:36 AM 2018There are facts, that Will happen in roulette everytime you play.
Jek, i'm calling it. You are actually thickheaded.
Just go and win your money, and make a fool out of the casino.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 01:10 AM 2018WHY would a number repeat? If there are completely random and unpredictable game outcomes, it's random.
Hi Steve,
No need to get personal.
Now lets step back a bit and examine the situation. I know your stance is all about the only way to beat roulette is to increase the accuracy of prediction. One proven way is to exploit the physics of the wheel and many have won millions analysing the wheel and exploiting wheels where you can predict where the ball will land due to some physical bias or due to the dealer spinning in a certain "pattern".
You will have to agree with this concept because thats what your on about with roulette computers and measuring the speed of the ball and wheel .
OK, I agree that the only way to increase accuracy of prediction is to know where the ball will most likely land and where it won't. If I had access to these devices or knew how to use them I would do so.
But, this is a direct method. What I believe Repeaters to be is an "indirect method" of doing exactly what your doing. Measuring "Repeats" of numbers is essentually identifying which sections of the wheel the ball is currently landing more than other sections. The direct result of the physics of where the ball is most likely to land causes the same number to be hit more often in that sector than other numbers which may not get hit for many spins. So I think logic would say that your method and the Repeater method are almost the same methods just it does not use computers or direct measurements like speed of the wheel or ball but it uses the outcome from these physical attributes - the resulting numbers that land within a short timeframe.
To be more accurate with Repeaters there should be a rule that states that any change to the physical nature of the spinning of the wheel should reset the Repeater tracking and not rely on past measurements. So the most obvious change is a dealer change every 30 or so minutes. Each dealer will influence where the ball will fall by spinning the ball at different speeds or with different rythms.
Do you agree that using a Repeaters method in this context will increase the accuracy of prediction. And that is probably the reason I won so quickly last night.
As you say, this will not happen all the time and it will all depend on the conditions we are playing in. It definitely won't work on RNG
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 01:57 AM 2018No need to get personal.
Really Im not getting personal. It just appears to be the reasonable conclusion, however politically incorrect. I'll respond to your message in more detail later.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 02:08 AM 2018
Really Im not getting personal. It just appears to be the reasonable conclusion, however politically incorrect. I'll respond to your message in more detail later.
I look forward to further discussion. I agree with you some people will just follow the so called "experts" and not know why a method works. They just expect it to be the holy grail and spend their hard earned money following a method they do not understand. For me I start off reviewing what others are doing and look at the logic behind it. I then give it a go and see if it produces better results than what I have been able to come up with. Some work well, some for a short time then bomb, others work more long term.
I'm still looking for the best, low risk method to maximize returns. I am sure there is a method out there that meets these requirements. Roulette computers are certainly one of them if you know how to use them or want to join Professional teams and make a living from it. But most people here have day jobs or are retired and look at roulette systems as hobby like others look at fishing or photography. So if they find the method that works for them as a hobby and they can make some money from it while at the casino that's a bonus.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Steve on Jun 13, 08:59 PM 2018
Jek I dont care if you want to lose your own money. I'm concerned about the ignorant newbie that believes the nonsense some members spread, then they lose money.
I've been doing exactly that. Problem is people arent getting the very simple explanations.
Yeah thats because people arent getting it.
I try saying it many different ways, even giving software and exact testing procedures, with results in their face, but I assume people either lack the intelligence, or are too lazy to actually do proper testing. I think its a combination of both.
Start with :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
Even if I went into precise detail about a specific method or approach, and why it wont work, it is not understood. I'm typing clear english though. A mathematician would understand. Anyone with sound logic and basic understanding would. Even a high school student. But on forums, it seems the logic and understanding is just gone. Again its not my money. I have tried to explain but I'm not the only one.
Right, statistics dont lie. The problem is you arent understanding them.
Try using your "never-fail" repeaters theory to change the odds. You are stuck at 1 in 37, and stuck with payouts 35-1. Your bet selection is exactly the same as random. You changed nothing.
Then you'd better check your math.
The odds how often you will win on average. Right, its not exactly the exact output of numbers. So let's try beating roulette by using a method that has no real correlation to the variables that determine winning numbers. Sounds stupid, right? That's what repeaters tries to do.
WHY would a number repeat? If there are completely random and unpredictable game outcomes, it's random.
R A N D O M.
That means 1 in 37 accuracy.
Then practice what you preach and start looking at the variables that cause outcomes, not the outcomes that cause outcomes.
Well maybe i'm a little thickheaded sometimes, even my wife agreed to that :lol:
But i wanna Make a bet with you Steve.
For the next coming year, we go to the casino everyday 7 days a week.
Everytime we play 37 spins and we will See 37/37 i Will pay you 10 Grand. Everytime that we don't See 37 out of 37 you pay me 10 euro! Now that 's a bet you can't refuse can you :thumbsup: we play 10 sessions a day that's 370 spins and 8 hours work.
I Will need to pay you 100.000 euro every day for one year. 36.5 Million euro i owe you. :sad2:
Everytime you won't See 37/37 you pay me 10 euro, that's 100 euro a day. Not bad for a day job ain't it. That's 36.500 euro a year. Great ain't it.
Now you May guess Who has to pay Who what! I'm pretty damn sure, that i can buy a great new car by the End of the year, and that you won't earn a Penny from me. Wanna bet steve? :lol:
Thats not the case. Even if u dont see 37 number in 37 spin what special u can do. Can u exploit every time and come out as winner.??
Quote from: Madi on Jun 14, 03:44 AM 2018
Thats not the case. Even if u dont see 37 number in 37 spin what special u can do. Can u exploit every time and come out as winner.??
Hi Madi,
you need to use your imagination. Think up a strategy where you see say 20 unique numbers come out. I have seen this. Would you not come up with a bet combination either straight up or via one of the other bet selections up to even chances which DOES NOT cover these unhit numbers? So you have 17 or 18 numbers left to choose for the next 17 or 18 spins after 20 spins where the first 20 were unique. would you not bet all the numbers that already came out and not bet the unhit numbers if you knew one of the 20 numbers should repeat if you have never seen 37 in 37?
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Madi on Jun 14, 03:44 AM 2018
Thats not the case. Even if u dont see 37 number in 37 spin what special u can do. Can u exploit every time and come out as winner.??
Ut wasn't ment to be serious Madi! Just to piss off Steve some More! :wink:
No serious, he keeps telling that Random Has No limts and he is preaching 1:37 All the time even when i Keep saying that i never play 1:37 and that i never play at the House Edge.
And if you do it Right you Will never loose at the House Edge either. The House Edge is two pockets on a 37 wheel. When i play Every number that comes for as Long as there are two numbers left, i Will never loose at the House Edge. And when i put a progression into play i can turn the House Edge around in my favour. That's why i Keep telling everyone over and over again including Steve that repeaters scq hotnumbers is the best Starting Point to win at this Random game. As Long as the game produces Random numbers i can Make a System that Will win in te end. How? Well that's another question. But the stating Point is repeaters.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 03:58 AM 2018
Hi Madi,
you need to use your imagination. Think up a strategy where you see say 20 unique numbers come out. I have seen this. Would you not come up with a bet combination either straight up or via one of the other bet selections up to even chances which DOES NOT cover these unhit numbers? So you have 17 or 18 numbers left to choose for the next 17 or 18 spins after 20 spins where the first 20 were unique. would you not bet all the numbers that already came out and not bet the unhit numbers if you knew one of the 20 numbers should repeat if you have never seen 37 in 37?
cheers,
Ricky
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I wouldnt bet 20 number. May b 6 number for repeat. Ok for the shake of explanation i accept that i would bet 20 number for repeat. But that would not make a strategy successful. Thats just basic
Ricky plz continue ........
Regrding that is someone able actually tell me the probability or odds of having twenty numbers in a row all unique( no repeats ) ....the answer in the form of fraction not decimal I.e 1/1000000
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 01:57 AM 2018I know your stance is all about the only way to beat roulette is to increase the accuracy of prediction.
Yes its simple. Its exactly like saying 35 is a smaller number than 37. It's not my opinion. It's fact. Anyone with reasonable education gets it. The whole professional gaming field gets it. But for some reason, gamblers on forums dont get it.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 01:57 AM 2018OK, I agree that the only way to increase accuracy of prediction is to know where the ball will most likely land and where it won't. If I had access to these devices or knew how to use them I would do so.
Im not saying computers is the only way. There are other ways. It just isnt repeaters. I've explained why, given examples, proof etc.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 01:57 AM 2018So I think logic would say that your method and the Repeater method are almost the same methods
Nooo. They are completely different. Repeaters uses previous spins to try to predict winning numbers. Computers use the actual variables that determine the winning number. A proper method should be cause and effect, not effect and effect.
There are still ways to improve edge based on winning numbers alone, but they are still based on legitimate cause and effect.
What repeaters attempts to do is predict winning numbers using irrelevant variables.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 01:57 AM 2018with Repeaters there should be a rule that states that any change to the physical nature of the spinning of the wheel should reset the Repeater tracking and not rely on past measurements
Repeaters is not a valid variable except in cases like wheel bias. Although repeaters is only very loosely associated with bias, because a biased wheel has numbers that are more likely to repeat than other numbers.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 01:57 AM 2018Each dealer will influence where the ball will fall by spinning the ball at different speeds or with different rythms.
Yes but this has nothing to do with repeaters. Repeating distance between one number and the next yes, but not repeating numbers.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 01:57 AM 2018Do you agree that using a Repeaters method in this context will increase the accuracy of prediction. And that is probably the reason I won so quickly last night.
No, I don't agree. You can have won just as quickly with common variance. Sometimes you win with random bets, sometimes you lose. Mostly you lose, which is because of the house edge.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 01:57 AM 2018As you say, this will not happen all the time and it will all depend on the conditions we are playing in. It definitely won't work on RNG
Turbo says it will only work if the spins are random, which is a boneheaded statement. He is saying he gets better than random accuracy when its only random.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 03:10 AM 2018But i wanna Make a bet with you Steve.
For the next coming year, we go to the casino everyday 7 days a week.
Everytime we play 37 spins and we will See 37/37 i Will pay you 10 Grand. Everytime that we don't See 37 out of 37 you pay me 10 euro! Now that 's a bet you can't refuse can you we play 10 sessions a day that's 370 spins and 8 hours work.
I Will need to pay you 100.000 euro every day for one year. 36.5 Million euro i owe you.
Everytime you won't See 37/37 you pay me 10 euro, that's 100 euro a day. Not bad for a day job ain't it. That's 36.500 euro a year. Great ain't it.
Now you May guess Who has to pay Who what! I'm pretty damn sure, that i can buy a great new car by the End of the year, and that you won't earn a Penny from me. Wanna bet steve?
Sure I agree. So how we gonna enforce it and verify results? How about we just look at history of real wheel spins from a database anyone can download? Isnt that a little easier? You know, I've already tested that and a lot more. Do your testing to verify. I accept Bitcoin.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 04:12 AM 2018Ut wasn't ment to be serious Madi! Just to piss off Steve some More!
you masking yourself look like an idiot is not pissing me off.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 04:12 AM 2018No serious, he keeps telling that Random Has No limts and he is preaching 1:37 All the time even when i Keep saying that i never play 1:37 and that i never play at the House Edge.
Elle Oh Elle
Jek you are clueless. Random has a much of a limit as numbers have a limit.
And you cant do better than 1 in 37 with your approach, unless the wheel is very heavily biased. Show me one piece of proof to substantiate your claim. You cant.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 04:12 AM 2018And when i put a progression into play i can turn the House Edge around in my favour
Progression wont change accuracy. A progression like 1,2,4,8,16 is just a bunch of separate bets, like with different players, each making bets on separate spins with different size wagers. You still dont get it.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 04:12 AM 2018As Long as the game produces Random numbers i can Make a System that Will win in te end. How? Well that's another question. But the stating Point is repeaters.
Yeah ok. So you can improve your odds as long as the spins are completely unpredictable. HOW? You dont know. But it's the key, man.
Just go win your millions, please.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 05:52 AM 2018
Sure I agree. So how we gonna enforce it and verify results? How about we just look at history of real wheel spins from a database anyone can download? Isnt that a little easier? You know, I've already tested that and a lot more. Do your testing to verify. I accept Bitcoin.
you masking yourself look like an idiot is not pissing me off.
Elle Oh Elle
Jek you are clueless. Random has a much of a limit as numbers have a limit.
And you cant do better than 1 in 37 with your approach, unless the wheel is very heavily biased. Show me one piece of proof to substantiate your claim. You cant.
Progression wont change accuracy. A progression like 1,2,4,8,16 is just a bunch of separate bets, like with different players, each making bets on separate spins with different size wagers. You still dont get it.
Yeah ok. So you can improve your odds as long as the spins are completely unpredictable. HOW? You dont know. But it's the key, man.
Just go win your millions, please.
Well Steve, i'm not the one here Who makes a fool of themself. What happend to you in the past man, why are you So bitter?
You know as well as i am that if we are Both zitting at the same Table for 10 sessions a day for a year Long, you are gonna pay me alot of money and i ain't gonna pay you one pennies. So you honestly think that in 3650 sessions there Will be atleast one Time that there Will be 37 numbers out Without 1 repeat. Man you clearly don' T Have a clue what the odds are on that bet.
It's a 1 in 766,879,127,067,901 chance that this is gonna happen. Well good luck with you'r bitcoin transfer to me. I can send you my bank number if it's More convenant for you :ooh:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 07:38 AM 2018i'm not the one here Who makes a fool of themself.
35 is greater than 37, and roulette is most predictable when its random :thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 07:38 AM 2018What happend to you in the past man, why are you So bitter?
Hemorrhoids
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 07:38 AM 2018So you honestly think that in 3650 sessions there Will be atleast one Time that there Will be 37 numbers out Without 1 repeat.
Probably not. But you still havent figured out why it makes no difference.
Hemorrhoids
Steve that made me laugh funny as fxxk 😃😃
Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 08:21 AM 2018
Probably not. But you still havent figured out why it makes no difference.
There is No need to know the difference. The only thing i need to know and that i'm sure of is that everytime we play at the same Table and everytime 37 spins go by Without a repeat you pay me 10 Bucks. And everytime 37 numbers fall within 37 spins i give you you're 10K in a Black suitcase :lol: i know Who is gonna laugh at the End of the night, Sorry but it won't be you Steve. And i Have earned myself again 100 Bucks and i can take my wife out for dinner, AGAIN, every night of the week :yawn:
Odds of 20 uniques in a row pls anyone ..... In a fraction like 1/100000 20 different numbers
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 14, 11:18 AM 2018
Odds of 20 uniques in a row pls anyone ..... In a fraction like 1/100000 20 different numbers
Between common and rare. Not really rare.
Lol common and rare is true but its not a fraction... Like two red in a row have a 1/4 probability or whatever...its actually a hard formula to say how many uniques in a row..the wizard of odds could do it probably...
Can I ask ....who is this turbo guy. 2. Why is he talked about. 3. What's his method if he wins consistent or u are all going by his word " I can win "
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 11:01 AM 2018
everytime we play at the same Table and everytime 37 spins go by Without a repeat you pay me 10 Bucks.
I ment: everytime 37 spins go by with atleast 1 repeat, you pay me 10 bucks.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 14, 11:36 AM 2018
Can I ask ....who is this turbo guy. 2. Why is he talked about. 3. What's his method if he wins consistent or u are all going by his word " I can win "
Pfff, go Google him (Turbo Genius) i think you Will get a few thousand hits
He is as far as i believe the only person Who knows how to beat roulette everytime he plays.
He plays repeaters with An agressive progression. And because he uses the Right math, he can't loose.
There are so many threads around here. If you wanna find out, it's best to start on the First Page of this thread and Read through it.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 14, 11:35 AM 2018
Lol common and rare is true but its not a fraction... Like two red in a row have a 1/4 probability or whatever...its actually a hard formula to say how many uniques in a row..the wizard of odds could do it probably...
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Anyone know his exact method or math...curious ....repeaters are good 12.repeat 12.are singles on averge at least u know some will repeat...I'm curious turbo method if he always win.... And progressive hmmmmm aggressive.......
Ben thanku..! I'm a simpleton with maths are u able to convert 20 in a row into fraction from decimal like 1/10000 or whatever plz? I true need the answer...
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 11:01 AM 2018
There is No need to know the difference. The only thing i need to know and that i'm sure of is that everytime we play at the same Table and everytime 37 spins go by Without a repeat you pay me 10 Bucks. And everytime 37 numbers fall within 37 spins i give you you're 10K in a Black suitcase :lol: i know Who is gonna laugh at the End of the night, Sorry but it won't be you Steve. And i Have earned myself again 100 Bucks and i can take my wife out for dinner, AGAIN, every night of the week :yawn:
Yet for some reason you can't beat the MPR game on this site. ::)
Quote from: The General on Jun 14, 12:27 PM 2018
Yet for some reason you can't beat the MPR game on this site. ::)
That's not what i'm talking about.
You all just don't understand how random works.
If all members on this forum would play 10 sessions of 37 spins a day, and everytime when there is at least 1 repeat in those 37 spin sessions they pay me â,¬10,00! I wanna check my bankacount by the end of the week, won't you? Now where is my ferrari :lol:
Jek how could you still not get it? You cannot build working systems from rare events. The odds of the next spin, for every spin, still haven't changed.
Again go win your millions. Prove me wrong.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 05:02 PM 2018
Jek how could you still not get it? You cannot build working systems from rare events. The odds of the next spin, for every spin, still haven't changed.
Again go win your millions. Prove me wrong.
And yet, you pay me everyday 100 Bucks. A year Long. I saw a very Nice Black bmw station at the dealer today :xd:
I'm not the Casino my deluded friend.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 14, 11:51 AM 2018
Ben thanku..! I'm a simpleton with maths are u able to convert 20 in a row into fraction from decimal like 1/10000 or whatever plz? I true need the answer...
Here,
once in 597 will there be 20 different nrs in row.
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Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 05:24 PM 2018
I'm not the Casino my deluded friend.
:love:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 14, 04:05 PM 2018
That's not what i'm talking about.
You all just don't understand how random works.
If all members on this forum would play 10 sessions of 37 spins a day, and everytime when there is at least 1 repeat in those 37 spin sessions they pay me â,¬10,00! I wanna check my bankacount by the end of the week, won't you? Now where is my ferrari :lol:
Jekhb76,
You can't win even if there's 36, 35,34,33,32,30,29 unique numbers in 37 spins either! LOL. ::)
Why do you suppose it is that YOU can't beat the MPR game? ::)
Quote from: The General on Jun 14, 06:20 PM 2018You can't win even if there's 36, 35,34,33,32,30,29 unique numbers in 37 spins either! LOL.
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General i can win wih 15 uniques in spins 11-40 :thumbsup:
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Ain't got all night, so just got these from the highly recommended R.org, 14 non-hit in spins 11-40, See you tomorrow
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 14, 06:52 PM 2018
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Ain't got all night, so just got these from the highly recommended R.org, 14 non-hit in spins 11-40, See you tomorrow
Notto,
Why do you suppose it is that you can't beat the MPR game over a statistically relevant number of spins? ::)
Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 05:45 AM 2018
Hi Steve,
thanks for your update. I think we have some common ground we can discuss further. I don't think we will actually agree on everything but that's what this forum is about right. We should be able to discuss our ideas and have differing opinions about what we think works and doesn't. Roulette is not an exact science. We all agree the Casino's will win in the end but I do admit they do take Advantage Players with sophisticated computers or who discover wheel biases with distaste and a real threat to their business model.
Let me respond to your points.
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Yes its simple. Its exactly like saying 35 is a smaller number than 37. It's not my opinion. It's fact.
Assuming European Roulette, I understand that 35 is smaller than 37. I know we have 37 numbers but if our number hits we only get paid 35 to 1 not 37 to 1. So statistically we have 1/37 chance of choosing the right number. So in the 'long term' statistics we will get it wrong 36 times out of 37 spins therefore I will loose to the house edge in the long term by 2.7% (5.4% for American Wheel) of our wager.
Where the contention is with this fact is that taken as a long term statistic it does not represent a typical "Short Term" session when it comes to following a system. Call it 'Hit and and Run' or realistic gambling time frames or whatever you want. Some people are going to win, some will lose more than the house edge. So I won't continue arguing this fact and dismiss all systems because of this. We can't get around the House Edge without removing the Zero or increasing the accuracy of prediction.
Now, to quote Turbo's view, the house edge can be viewed as a collective of bets from multiple players. If you take his example it does make sense. From the Casino point of view they see the collective sum of all player bets. They will take the losses from one player's bet selection to pay the winners at a smaller rate 35:1 and in the long term expect to make 2.5% of all bets. That's statistical fact as you mention. But if you have a method that enables you to avoid betting on the "losing" numbers and choosing the "winning" numbers more often then you avoid losing to the house edge.
In your method using a computer you can see that because you know that most of the time you are going to be choosing the winning numbers and will avoid the losing numbers so you can see that you will not be exposed to the house edge. This is the Advantage you claim and why the casinos fear you. You now have a Players Edge.
Turbo is claiming that if you look at the past events and, for what ever reason, certain numbers tend to get hit more often than others, why would you choose the numbers that are "currently" losing. If you had that "time machine" and were able to see which numbers were going to come out more often, you would agree that to get an advantage and avoid losing to the house edge you would choose those winning numbers and not bet on those losing numbers. Well rightly or wrongly this is what Turbo is saying when he follows Repeaters. To put it in your words, he is seeing the
effect and reacting to it by betting on what the
effect is showing. Right or wrong if it is working in the short term to follow the "trend" then it has to be better than guessing the next number. Its not going to work all the time because the "effect" may not continue in the future. That I grant you. But it only has to work most of the time to have an advantage. You could call it taking an "educated" guess. You may say "guessing" is not having an advantage it is gambling. And that I will agree with you. But if it guides the gambler to make the right gamble more often than the wrong one then it will reward him/her. That's gambling. It does not mean you don't give it a go because you could lose. You may as well not gamble but invest your money.
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Im not saying computers is the only way. There are other ways. It just isnt repeaters. I've explained why, given examples, proof etc
I won't attempt to persuade you on "Repeaters" being a way to get an advantage but I think there is merit in the approach. Its not the HG for the reasons you mention but it can be a successful approach in the short term with set limits in place including stop losses and profit targets.
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Nooo. They are completely different. Repeaters uses previous spins to try to predict winning numbers. Computers use the actual variables that determine the winning number. A proper method should be cause and effect, not effect and effect.
I can't dispute your point. But what I am pointing out is repeaters are using the "effect" information to determine a bet selection. The "effect" is that certain numbers or sectors of the wheel will not get hit in the short term because of the "cause". Yes using the "Cause" as your method to determine bet selection is always going to be superior to using the "effect" I totally agree and that's why Casinos try to stamp out players using this method of bet selection. But using the "effect" information is going to be superior in most cases than walking up to the table and splashing chips around hoping you have more chips on the winning numbers than on the losing numbers. Or putting your life savings on "red" and hoping that at that very next spin black or zero does not show.
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What repeaters attempts to do is predict winning numbers using irrelevant variables.
For the reasons I mentioned above I would not call the concept using irrelevent variables. If the "effect" is caused by some relevent variable like ball spin or wheel rotation or dealer bias then the "effect" of this cause - the winning numbers are not irrelevent variables. They are a variable used as inputs to the Repeater method. They may not be what you would be called relevent like the ball speed or physical properties of the wheel but they are inputs into a method that is likely to be better than "guessing".
In terms of your description of Repeater trying to "predict" the winning numbers I will grant you that I would describe the repeaters method as more one that tries to take an "educated" guess more than a prediction. Because you are right in saying that you can't "predict" the future result with a high degree of accuracy just on the fact of the past results alone. I would classify the Repeaters method more as a follow the trend method just like following streak of reds or blacks. Take advantage of the trend while it lasts. "The trend is your friend" is another way of putting it. But if it works then I am not complaining.
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Repeaters is not a valid variable except in cases like wheel bias. Although repeaters is only very loosely associated with bias, because a biased wheel has numbers that are more likely to repeat than other numbers.
Yes but this has nothing to do with repeaters. Repeating distance between one number and the next yes, but not repeating numbers.
Now we are getting somewhere. Firstly I view the value of Repeaters method for the reason you have described due to a wheel bias or more likely a dealer bias. But I think this is where members were looking for your insights. You gave me a light bulb moment when I read this. I have actually been thinking about this myself. When I see there the dealer launches the ball and where it lands I often think how many rotations does the ball typically make with this dealer? And how fast is the wheel rotating in the opposite direction? Can I predict on the next spin based on this information where the ball is likely to land? So I think we have a basis for a method that we can work on. And I am thinking this is what you use computers for to accurately measure these variables to calculate the sector where the ball will land.
So I am very interested to learn how you start to use this information if you only had the last numbers as inputs and you assume the dealer will launch the ball roughly at the location of the last number hit. Although I have seen dealers not follow this "rule". I am not sure if this is actually a "rule" written into the game. Do you take averages of distance for x spins and how many spins would you use? Do you treat clockwise and anticlockwise as different figures and then only use the information for every second spin to predict the result?
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No, I don't agree. You can have won just as quickly with common variance. Sometimes you win with random bets, sometimes you lose. Mostly you lose, which is because of the house edge.
Ok I will concede this point without actually testing it. So what I will do each time I visit the BM casino is I will test this and report the results. You would agree that if I win more than I lose then there has to be some merit to the idea. But if I lose more than I win I will concede my win was due to common variance. Given I am a very unlucky gambler left to my own devices I think any system that allows me to control my bets and avoid chasing loses is a good thing and better than playing the pokies.
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Turbo says it will only work if the spins are random, which is a boneheaded statement. He is saying he gets better than random accuracy when its only random.
Here I will have to disagree with Turbo if that's his claim. I see Repeats as a result of the physical properties of the wheel not of the effects of "Random". Random is Random. You cannot argue that it favours repeats. That is ridiculous.
Look forward to some constructive discussion where we can develop ideas to improve systems that do not involve computers. As you stated there are other ways that do not involve computers. Can the Repeat of distance between numbers be one we can use as a basis for a system?
Cheers,
Ricky
Rick, firstly thankyou for attempting to have a structured discussion.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018Roulette is not an exact science.
It is, but the game is dynamic with ever-changing variables, and degrees of error.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018Where the contention is with this fact is that taken as a long term statistic it does not represent a typical "Short Term"
It does, but simply there is variance.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018to quote Turbo's view, the house edge can be viewed as a collective of bets from multiple players
Not exactly. Each bet has its own odds and payout. It is more accurate to say the casino is more assured to profit because there are so many bets made, from multiple players combined. So even if one player wins, lots of players lose.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018Right or wrong if it is working in the short term to follow the "trend" then it has to be better than guessing the next number
But it doesnt work in the short or long term any better than random bet selection. Its not an opinion. Its fact anyone can test and verify.
If you're talking short term only, then test lots of short term sessions. The combined result is a loss. Its like the player who plays 1 spin a day and thinks that gives him the best chance of winning. What happens when 100 players all use the same approach? Do they all have a better chance, or are they all deluded?
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018but I think there is merit in the approach. Its not the HG for the reasons you mention but it can be a successful approach in the short term with set limits in place including stop losses and profit targets.
It has no merit because the odds/accuracy are still 1 in 37, so it's literally as good as random bet selection. That's the whole point.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018But using the "effect" information is going to be superior in most cases than walking up to the table and splashing chips around hoping you have more chips on the winning numbers than on the losing numbers
As above, its no different. Proper tests clearly show this.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018Take advantage of the trend while it lasts. "The trend is your friend" is another way of putting it
Its not a "trend". It's just a collection of random numbers, and you think it looks like a trend.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018When I see there the dealer launches the ball and where it lands I often think how many rotations does the ball typically make with this dealer? And how fast is the wheel rotating in the opposite direction? Can I predict on the next spin based on this information where the ball is likely to land? So I think we have a basis for a method that we can work on.
Yes now we're getting somewhere. We're looking at relevant variables (the cause). If you want to use a repeaters system, check for distance in pockets from one winning number to the next. It's a step forward, towards dealer signature. But checking for repeating distances is a clumsy way of doing it. I said earlier if I was going to try and win on MPR, dealer signature would be my approach. But its a bit more complicated than just looking at repeating distances.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018And I am thinking this is what you use computers for to accurately measure these variables to calculate the sector where the ball will land.
No the computers measure the ball and rotor speed after the spin starts. Dealer signature is approximating distances before ball release.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018Although I have seen dealers not follow this "rule".
You don't need 100% accuracy. You only need slight accuracy. The house edge is only small.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018Do you take averages of distance for x spins and how many spins would you use? Do you treat clockwise and anticlockwise as different figures and then only use the information for every second spin to predict the result?
That's part of it. You can use this for free:
link:://roulettephysics.com/jaa/index.php/jump
It charts the distance between pockets with data in this format:
0,12
13,8
4,13
18,12
0,21
21,33
2,18
0,5
12,16
30,18
1,26
25,10
1,35
This gives this:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/06/14/temp_596470.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/syxki)
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018Here I will have to disagree with Turbo if that's his claim. I see Repeats as a result of the physical properties of the wheel not of the effects of "Random". Random is Random. You cannot argue that it favours repeats. That is ridiculous.
He has made many other "boneheaded" claims, that are plain wrong, clumsy and contradictory. That's what the experienced players are on about. There are so many holes in his story, and the less-experienced and naive members waste their time chasing shadows, without understanding any of it.
Every now and then a new self-professed guru comes along, and sheep follow blindly. It degrades the forum, kills productivity, and costs people money - all for the kicks of a sociopath.
you are on the right path with dealer signature. The things to keep in mind are:
* The wheel is circular. Peaks in charts overlap even with different variables.
* If you dont carefully monitor the variables, you can go from hitting the right sector to completely avoiding it. This means you go from a positive edge, to a negative edge that's worse than random accuracy. The end result is no edge at all, or even worse win rate than random bet selection.
Dealer signature is not as simplistic as it sounds, if you are to get and maintain an edge. But again you are on the right path.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 11:25 PM 2018
Rick, firstly thankyou for attempting to have a structured discussion.
It is, but the game is dynamic with ever-changing variables, and degrees of error.
It does, but simply there is variance.
Not exactly. Each bet has its own odds and payout. It is more accurate to say the casino is more assured to profit because there are so many bets made, from multiple players combined. So even if one player wins, lots of players lose.
But it doesnt work in the short or long term any better than random bet selection. Its not an opinion. Its fact anyone can test and verify.
If you're talking short term only, then test lots of short term sessions. The combined result is a loss. Its like the player who plays 1 spin a day and thinks that gives him the best chance of winning. What happens when 100 players all use the same approach? Do they all have a better chance, or are they all deluded?
It has no merit because the odds/accuracy are still 1 in 37, so it's literally as good as random bet selection. That's the whole point.
As above, its no different. Proper tests clearly show this.
Its not a "trend". It's just a collection of random numbers, and you think it looks like a trend.
Yes now we're getting somewhere. We're looking at relevant variables (the cause). If you want to use a repeaters system, check for distance in pockets from one winning number to the next. It's a step forward, towards dealer signature. But checking for repeating distances is a clumsy way of doing it. I said earlier if I was going to try and win on MPR, dealer signature would be my approach. But its a bit more complicated than just looking at repeating distances.
No the computers measure the ball and rotor speed after the spin starts. Dealer signature is approximating distances before ball release.
You don't need 100% accuracy. You only need slight accuracy. The house edge is only small.
That's part of it. You can use this for free:
link:://roulettephysics.com/jaa/index.php/jump
It charts the distance between pockets with data in this format:
0,12
13,8
4,13
18,12
0,21
21,33
2,18
0,5
12,16
30,18
1,26
25,10
1,35
This gives this:
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/06/14/temp_596470.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/syxki)
He has made many other "boneheaded" claims, that are plain wrong, clumsy and contradictory. That's what the experienced players are on about. There are so many holes in his story, and the less-experienced and naive members waste their time chasing shadows, without understanding any of it.
Every now and then a new self-professed guru comes along, and sheep follow blindly. It degrades the forum, kills productivity, and costs people money - all for the kicks of a sociopath.
you are on the right path with dealer signature. The things to keep in mind are:
* The wheel is circular. Peaks in charts overlap even with different variables.
* If you dont carefully monitor the variables, you can go from hitting the right sector to completely avoiding it. This means you go from a positive edge, to a negative edge that's worse than random accuracy. The end result is no edge at all, or even worse win rate than random bet selection.
Dealer signature is not as simplistic as it sounds, if you are to get and maintain an edge. But again you are on the right path.
Hi Steve
thanks for your considered response to my points. As I said we agree to disagree with some points. I will test the Repeater method as I said and compare it to my own random guesses. I know from your view is using random selection you can win and lose just as much as using any method like repeaters or even Pattern Breaker. From my view I don't even have the luck to consistently bet streaks. I swear its as if the casino knows I'm coming and does its best to avoid all my random bets. So I am looking for a more structured way to approach the game. eg. with Pattern Attack playing Baccarat I recorded 100 game results and for the first time I actually won 93/100 games. Now for an unlucky person you cannot say that I was extremely lucky. Well you may say that but I will take that sort of luck any day.
Anyway, I am going to review the information you provided and we can continue this discussion once I understand a bit more about the variables that are important.
Cheers,
Ricky
A structured bet selection is a good thing, but again it needs to actually be effective. It starts with using relevant variables.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 11:25 PM 2018He has made many other "boneheaded" claims, that are plain wrong, clumsy and contradictory. That's what the experienced players are on about. There are so many holes in his story, and the less-experienced and naive members waste their time chasing shadows, without understanding any of it.
Sighs.
Nothing is contradictory, and no experienced players disagree with me.
The people who do disagree sell computers and need bias wheels to win because
they refuse to think - and if they did (imagine this) they would agree with me 100%.
But fine.
Simulations...win. (Parx, RS, RX)
Live play AC and PA...win.
Celtic online, live wheel and dealer...win.
and now Golden Nugget online, live wheel and dealer...win.
But I get it, continue to try to insult me - but we're not even in the same league
anymore and your not worth a reply. If you could stop for 10 seconds and think -
everything you've said about the game is accurate and yet it can still be beaten
(for exactly the reasons that you gave). But nope, consider me the bonehead and
I'll keep winning non-stop for as long as I choose to play the game.
Say it's not possible, tell others it's not possible - it's a bit silly really since I'm not
losing and cannot lose. (as long as the results are random).
And I win despite all of the "facts" that you put out. Think about it.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 14, 08:56 PM 2018Here I will have to disagree with Turbo if that's his claim. I see Repeats as a result of the physical properties of the wheel not of the effects of "Random". Random is Random.
People ignore and deny reality all the time, it doesn't make them right.
The "wheel" is irrelevant - random is all that matters.
If a blind person picks ping pong balls out of a bucket randomly, I win.
If a RNG spits out numbers randomly, I win.
If some other device produces numbers randomly, I win.
The physical ball and wheel are only relevant to people who can't win unless there
is a defect in the wheel, but mostly they hang out on forums instead of winning
because these wheels are as rare as Bigfoot and in reality they want to learn from
people like me - who DO win thanks to random results on ANY wheel or ANY rng
in any casino or any simulation game where the results are random.
So ignoring reality and claiming the physical aspects of the game are how to win
is fine - welcome to the mystical "AP" players club.
(and yes, a bias wheel player is playing hot numbers due to the defect - but they will say "NO NO, it's more complicated than that !!!!" - but no, it's not. They are playing hot sections of the wheel due to the bias...... but a system player who uses hot numbers is a bonehead (laughs)).
Amazing.
All talk.
MPR, thousands of spins.. lose.
Better give some excuses.
Lets try somewhere else. Somewhere with hundreds of thousands in bonuses. Somewhere where players routinely win millions. Somewhere where the betting limits are much greater than any real casino. Somewhere where all players seem to have the HG.
Turbo land..
(link:s://:.frumble.co.uk/shop/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/T/T/TT_Unicorns_In_Fantasy_Land_Multi.jpg)
Quote from: Steve on Jun 14, 11:25 PM 2018Every now and then a new self-professed guru comes along, and sheep follow blindly. It degrades the forum, kills productivity, and costs people money - all for the kicks of a sociopath.
You should ban any person doing such things, but the big problem with that is that
it's your opinion and not reality. I've been on forums since the beginning - people who agree with me and actually understand what I'm saying are certainly not sheep.
To claim that is as stupid as Hillary claiming we're all "deplorables" - to which she promptly lost after basically insulting 1/2 of the country.
Calling people sheep and ignorant is insulting to your own members who you rely on to post and keep your forum going.
Not that having a forum makes any sense in your case.
A blank page with simple words like "Roulette cannot be beaten" or "Computers are the only way to win" would save a lot of time and hassle.
But instead there is a forum where people can participate - but anyone who agrees with "me" or doesn't follow your belief that it's impossible to win are insulted and then you throw spears and rocks at the person telling and showing everyone it is possible.
Seems a bit silly, just delete the forum and all of the posts and make a page that points to the Roulette Computer page and you've done the world a giant favor, right ?
No more sheep, no more nonsense, no more boneheads and no more misleading claims.
You have the power to do that but.... you won't.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 15, 07:09 AM 2018All talk.
MPR, thousands of spins.. lose.
Just the facts, all of which can be verified.
MPR is not now and never has been a realistic example of the game.
As I said, it's been 2 years and the "programmer" is still working those bugs out.
All of the sources I noted (and easily win at) are legit random outcomes, correct
payouts and bug free. Keep holding up 1 (so-called) test location as proof that I'm wrong and ignore the mountain of others of course. Then if and when I play on your game page and win, more excuses - there was a bug, the programmer is fixing it - ignore Turbo's results please !!!
It's insanity - but it's your own insanity.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:01 AM 2018mostly they hang out on forums instead of winning
Or playing to win fun credits to impress people on forums.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:13 AM 2018I've been on forums since the beginning
Yep.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 06:53 AM 2018
Sighs.
Nothing is contradictory, and no experienced players disagree with me.
The people who do disagree sell computers and need bias wheels to win because
they refuse to think - and if they did (imagine this) they would agree with me 100%.
But fine.
Simulations...win. (Parx, RS, RX)
Live play AC and PA...win.
Celtic online, live wheel and dealer...win.
and now Golden Nugget online, live wheel and dealer...win.
Mr turbo, keep lying, keep contradicting yourself...
"Bias wheel players take advantage of hot numbers and hot wheel sectors because of the flaw that those AP player's exploit to their benefit, and I'm 100% sure the casinos are aware of them (probably not too scared though). I'm playing hot numbers - as I've said in the past (if you've read my posts). A hot number system player will be playing the same numbers as a bias wheel player - so I'll just assume they would be just as wary of that as well. But not scared. I win a small amount over time. I don't go in for the kill like most AP players tend to like doing."
- TurboGenius
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:13 AM 2018it's your opinion and not reality
Its reasonable to say reality is what testing indicates. Repeaters dont change odds. You say you beat random because its random. You live in fairytale land.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:13 AM 2018Calling people sheep and ignorant is insulting to your own members
If someone is ignorant, i will call them ignorant because they're ignorant. If they feel insulted, they should grow up. Im not here to kiss asses or play fake. Im honest and direct, not intending to insult. If i wanted to insult someone id call them a boner cooking wart nibbler (:.insult-generator.com, really immature).
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:13 AM 2018and then you throw spears and rocks at the person telling and showing everyone it is possible
No, i explain the truth and how people can verify for themselves. Big difference.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:13 AM 2018Seems a bit silly, just delete the forum and all of the posts and make a page that points to the Roulette Computer page and you've done the world a giant favor, right ?
Listen boner cooker, this has nothing to do with computers. You make this comment as an argument. That's what you rely on because you have nothing to back your claims except unrealistic fun money game results and really bad logic. The entire professional gaming community disagrees with you. Amd 99.999% have nothing to do with computers. Or have i bribed them?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:19 AM 2018MPR is not now and never has been a realistic example of the game.
Then how do you explain the near perfect -2.7% results with all players combined? Not realistic enough for you? Or is realistic $3000 free money for logging in? I dunno turbo, seems suss to me.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:19 AM 2018As I said, it's been 2 years and the "programmer" is still working those bugs out.
Again, -2.7% as expected. No bug affected your winnings. i mean losses. Youre just fishing for excuses.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:19 AM 2018correct
payouts and bug free
Yes your rainbow fairytale land.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 15, 07:26 AM 2018
Or playing to win fun credits to impress people on forums.
Yep.
Steve, i've won alot of money, No fun money.
I Let you guess wich numbers gave me my winnings :thumbsup:
And you know what is even More exciting that is if we were playing the same numbers at the same Table, you'r and your bias method and i with my repeaters method, at the End of it all, we would Have won on the same numbers. But you Just refuse to See it.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 15, 07:39 AM 2018
Mr turbo, keep lying, keep contradicting yourself...
"Bias wheel players take advantage of hot numbers and hot wheel sectors because of the flaw that those AP player's exploit to their benefit, and I'm 100% sure the casinos are aware of them (probably not too scared though). I'm playing hot numbers - as I've said in the past (if you've read my posts). A hot number system player will be playing the same numbers as a bias wheel player - so I'll just assume they would be just as wary of that as well. But not scared. I win a small amount over time. I don't go in for the kill like most AP players tend to like doing."
- TurboGenius
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 14, 07:13 PM 2018While you guys are trying to beat the Roulette I'm making money with a simple and basic strategy.
Wake up! You will spend time and money for years in a fantasy called roulette.
If you're making money, why you on Mr T's case.
better you just ---- off and make your money
Jekhb76 is very likely Turbo on this forum.
QuoteAnd you know what is even More exciting that is if we were playing the same numbers at the same Table, you'r and your bias method and i with my repeaters method, at the End of it all, we would Have won on the same numbers. But you Just refuse to See it.
No most of the time you would not be on the same numbers. Turbo made the same naive statement.
Jek, i won for around a year with a losing system. I would let nobody tell me i would eventually lose. I had the hg. I was even more boneheaded than you. I eventually learned my lesson. You are going have your reality check too.
I know your mentality. I've been there. Its something you'll need to learn yourself.
QuoteMPR is not now and never has been a realistic example of the game.
As I said, it's been 2 years and the "programmer" is still working those bugs out.
All of the sources I noted (and easily win at) are legit random outcomes, correct
payouts and bug free. Keep holding up 1 (so-called) test location as proof that I'm wrong and ignore the mountain of others of course. Then if and when I play on your game page and win, more excuses - there was a bug, the programmer is fixing it - ignore Turbo's results please !!!
It's insanity - but it's your own insanity.
MPR is more realistic than Parx free mode.
Bago has been lampooning play there and reaching the top of the board regularly. He's making fun of the free game. He's already proven that it's a joke. Yet you think that's a more realistic game? ::)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:19 AM 2018MPR is not now and never has been a realistic example of the game.
As I said, it's been 2 years and the "programmer" is still working those bugs out.
Steve, as I understand it you upload real spins to the game, but it seems like this is asking for trouble. Wouldn't it be simpler to just use random.org? They have a random number server there with its own API and it would be easy to get all your spins directly from there. I know they're not "real" spins but they are "true" random, which is surely good enough? link:s://:.random.org/clients/link:/#integers
even bago is topping the leaderboard? Never thought I'd say it, but good on him for wasting his time to prove a point. Great that he has the spare time.
I did say if anyone wants to code a bot for me so it wastes its own time instead of mine, i could easily rank 1st in parx or rs. its just time and extending progression with combination bets
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jun 15, 08:05 AM 2018
Steve, as I understand it you upload real spins to the game, but it seems like this is asking for trouble. Wouldn't it be simpler to just use random.org? They have a random number server there with its own API and it would be easy to get all your spins directly from there. I know they're not "real" spins but they are "true" random, which is surely good enough?
If that's what most people want i can do that. But i want players to have a fighting chance with real spins.
Still if people want rng thats actually easier for me.
Turbo should be happy about it, and perhaps he'll have another go at getting to the top of the leaderboard. :)
no he’ll never play MPR again because its realistic, hence the combined -2.7%. he just makes excuses.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 15, 07:53 AM 2018
Jek, i won for around a year with a losing system. I would let nobody tell me i would eventually lose. I had the hg. I was even more boneheaded than you. I eventually learned my lesson. You are going have your reality check too.
Mr Controversy ( thats me )... lol
If I had a losing Roulette system that worked for one whole year I'll become rich and them I'll stop playing.
8)
Just kidding because I would not know for how long th system would last...
Well
I have read all the new commnents today, one thing has attracted my attention, there is a big hidden lie in what steve, turbo saying!
Turbo claims that he has a HG and he is beating roulette consistently, however he is misleading people, he not giving all indications on his system, so there is a lie somewhere, if you dont see it, you have definitely smelled it !
Anyway, on the other side, steve telling us that he has won with a losing system for one year! There is also a lie !
A losing system doesnt take one year to fall on its nose!
In conclusion, almost everybody liying to the other here!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 15, 11:03 AM 2018
A losing system doesnt take one year to fall on its nose!
Not necessarily.
Sometimes it takes months before the losses manifest themselves.
Back in early 2014, I thought I had found a sleeping dozen strategy that was performing in near-HG territory.
I made more than $1200 using it over a six month period.
And then it tanked for the first time.
And after that it continued tanking consistently and remorselessly.
I gave back all my winnings (actually, I lost more before I decided to pull the plug on it).
But the losses only started happening
after I had played it profitably for well over six months.
Doc
was it RNG
Totally agree with dr sudoku and Steve on this one
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 15, 12:34 PM 2018
Doc
was it RNG
Nottop,
It was various dealer-spun wheels at two B & M casinos in the middle part of the US.
I NEVER play RNGs.
One incidental comment that I would like to make is the following:
I used to go after both sleeping dozens and sleeping columns (NOT simultaneously) when playing this strategy.
The losses started appearing more or less at the same time at both casinos.
Over two-thirds of the losses were caused by SLEEPING COLUMNS.
And of the three columns, column 1 was the biggest culprit.
That was when I first started appreciating the fact that the uneven distribution of the columns on the US double zero wheel leads to anomalous behaviors on the part of the three columns.
Column 1 behaves somewhat differently compared to Columns 2 and 3 -- it tends to have longer sleeping streaks and it also tends to have slightly less frequent streaks (i.e. consecutive appearances) than the other two columns.
For me, the non-uniform distribution of the column numbers on the double zero wheel remains the single most interesting topic in all of roulette.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Jun 15, 07:57 AM 2018MPR is more realistic than Parx free mode.
Bago has been lampooning play there and reaching the top of the board regularly. He's making fun of the free game. He's already proven that it's a joke. Yet you think that's a more realistic game?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 15, 08:08 AM 2018even bago is topping the leaderboard? Never thought I'd say it, but good on him for wasting his time to prove a point. Great that he has the spare time.
This is what's misleading, but it's ok I'm sure to those involved it's fine.
Bago ended 3rd ? last week, this week he is in 9th.
"topping the leaderboard" is a blatant lie as this hasn't happened at all.
Steve backs up General of course - both are lying as anyone who logs into Parx
can see where Bago is on the leaderboard.
You two remind me of CNN and MSNBC..... Fake news.
You think you can throw out lies and call people misleading while the entire time
you two are the only ones actually doing it.
Do you not think the forum members see right through this ? Do you really think
the people here are stupid ? They aren't. They can see the "truth" for themselves.
But I know - it's me who's misleading and the enemy while you both sit back and
laugh at how I have to reply to your posts... (remember that PM I wasn't supposed to
get General ?).
Like I already said - neither one of you two are on my level and it's a waste of my time
to defend myself against your obvious lies and deception to others here (ooops, the system scammer is on your side too - let's not forget him....sheesh.)
But enjoy, I'll just do the "Trump" with you two (fake news) and ignore whatever you say - and reply to anyone else in the room who asks questions.
What a joke you two are, and have no problem doing it right in front of everyone.
turbo, you are really exaggerating responses on small points, and hiding on the most important points. Thats because you have no legs on the important points. How long have you claimed parxs free bonuses is no advantage? Then you say you never use the bonus money anyway. Youve got nothing left to say.
3rd place is not far off first place, and besides you keep getting whipped by slot players. Let me guess, slot players bet bigger right? So how is consecutive login days for maximum bonus not an advantage? Then you said its not an advantage because anyone can do it. Not many people can be bothered logging in every day for ages to get the maximum bonus. But nevermind, you’ll just keep dodging.
Turbo you arent more experienced than me or general. You make mistakes even with simple math. And your contradictions are so clumsy, any intelligent person would see through you.
RB have you never seen a system win on thousands of spins in rx? Thats over a year of play for average players. you not knowing the math doesnt make me a liar.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 15, 04:42 PM 2018
, I just try to see if it is possible to play flat and win long-term. :thumbsup:
Holly poo. U already know to win flat
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jun 15, 04:06 PM 2018
One incidental comment that I would like to make is the following:
I used to go after both sleeping dozens and sleeping columns (NOT simultaneously) when playing this strategy.
The losses started appearing more or less at the same time at both casinos.
Over two-thirds of the losses were caused by SLEEPING COLUMNS.
And of the three columns, column 1 was the biggest culprit.
That was when I first started appreciating the fact that the uneven distribution of the columns on the US double zero wheel leads to anomalous behaviors on the part of the three columns.
Column 1 behaves somewhat differently compared to Columns 2 and 3 -- it tends to have longer sleeping streaks and it also tends to have slightly less frequent streaks (i.e. consecutive appearances) than the other two columns.
For me, the non-uniform distribution of the column numbers on the double zero wheel remains the single most interesting topic in all of roulette.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Well, the distribution is slightly strange if you break the wheel into 2 halves.
Let's say the first half is 16 through to 34 and the second half is 15 through to 33. (excluding the 0/00)
There are only 2 numbers from column c in the first half and only 2 numbers from column b in the second half. :thumbsup:
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 15, 04:42 PM 2018If you are so kind as to answer the questions I asked you previously ... it would be fine.
There is something in the game that I like and another thing that I do not like, I just try to see if it is possible to play flat and win long-term.
There is no reason to flat bet when you have an advantage.
It makes more logical sense to increase bets as your bankroll increases.
It will take less time to reach your goal that way.
If the player has no advantage, then a progression simply amplifies the results
both good and bad - the math is clear in that case that they will lose at the house edge.
(Just they will lose more in balance because of the negative progression they are using with no advantage).
Quote from: wiggy on Jun 15, 05:51 PM 2018
Well, the distribution is slightly strange if you break the wheel into 2 halves.
Let's say the first half is 16 through to 34 and the second half is 15 through to 33. (excluding the 0/00)
There are only 2 numbers from column c in the first half and only 2 numbers from column b in the second half. :thumbsup:
Wiggy,
Another interesting feature about the distribution of the column 1 numbers on the double zero wheel is as follows:
The numbers for columns 2 and 3 are -- for the most part -- found in a few clusters spread across the wheel.
The numbers for column 1 are a whole different story.
Of the 12 numbers that constitute column 1, 10 are found in 5 pairs.
These 5 pairs are spread across the wheel.
4 and 16;
31 and 19;
10 and 25;
1 and 13;
22 and 34
Only 7 and 28 are found as singletons on the wheel.
The bottom line is that there is NOT one single cluster (or clump) of column 1 numbers that can be found anywhere on the double zero wheel.
A graph was posted earlier about the probability of 23.unique in a row ... I I think it said 0.0135 ect? Is that right and what is it as a fraction please like 20 unique numbers in a row has 1/10000 odds or whatever it is. Is the answer 1.3%
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jun 15, 10:42 PM 2018
Another interesting feature about the distribution of the column 1 numbers on the double zero wheel is as follows:
The numbers for columns 2 and 3 are -- for the most part -- found in a few clusters spread across the wheel.
The numbers for column 1 are a whole different story.
Of the 12 numbers that constitute column 1, 10 are found in 5 pairs.
These 5 pairs are spread across the wheel.
4 and 16;
31 and 19;
10 and 25;
1 and 13;
22 and 34
Only 7 and 28 are found as singletons on the wheel.
The bottom line is that there is NOT one single cluster (or clump) of column 1 numbers that can be found anywhere on the double zero wheel.
This is an addendum to my previous comment:
Maybe the fact that the numbers for column 1 are found as 5 pairs and 2 singletons spread across the double zero wheel (or, in other words, no clusters or clumps) can explain why column 1 has longer sleeping sessions and fewer consecutive streaks than columns 2 and 3.
That is just an observation and speculation on my part -- nothing more.
Anyway, back to repeaters and the HG ......
:twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 15, 10:49 PM 2018
A graph was posted earlier about the probability of 23.unique in a row ... I I think it said 0.0135 ect? Is that right and what is it as a fraction please like 20 unique numbers in a row has 1/10000 odds or whatever it is. Is the answer 1.3%
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Column 2 is % probability of a repeater happening at the spin in column1;
Column 3 is the %age of
n spin-cycle that will have at least one repeater within;
Column 4 is the opposite: %age of
n spin-cycle that will not have a repeater within;
Column 5 is the 1/x chance of a cycle going to next spin without a repeater.
So, example, on average, in 23-spin cycles, 7396 wont reach 23 uniques, and 1 will.
You could also say: if I bet on 1nr that hit, then 2nrs, then 3..., then 65% will end in profit or break-even on spin 9, with 8 nrs, and 34% will get past that before to see the first repeater.
Thanks bro Ben..holy lord 1/7000!!! Lol thanks that clarifies.. I guessed 1000... But its 7000 cycles
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Column 2 is % probability of a repeater happening at the spin in column1;
Column 3 is the %age of n spin-cycle that will have at least one repeater within;
Column 4 is the opposite: %age of n spin-cycle that will not have a repeater within;
Column 5 is the 1/x chance of a cycle going to next spin without a repeater.
So, example, on average, in 23-spin cycles, 7396 wont reach 23 uniques, and 1 will.
You could also say: if I bet on 1nr that hit, then 2nrs, then 3..., then 65% will end in profit or break-even on spin 9, with 8 nrs, and 34% will get past that before to see the first repeater.
everything looks good in your table except the word "cum"!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
I believe the cum table refers to how many bj's you must give turbo genius before he reveals his holy system to u. Lmao :o
You bastards!
It's ''Cumulatif''.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 07:01 AM 2018
People ignore and deny reality all the time, it doesn't make them right.
The "wheel" is irrelevant - random is all that matters.
If a blind person picks ping pong balls out of a bucket randomly, I win.
If a RNG spits out numbers randomly, I win.
If some other device produces numbers randomly, I win.
The physical ball and wheel are only relevant to people who can't win unless there
is a defect in the wheel, but mostly they hang out on forums instead of winning
because these wheels are as rare as Bigfoot and in reality they want to learn from
people like me - who DO win thanks to random results on ANY wheel or ANY rng
in any casino or any simulation game where the results are random.
So ignoring reality and claiming the physical aspects of the game are how to win
is fine - welcome to the mystical "AP" players club.
(and yes, a bias wheel player is playing hot numbers due to the defect - but they will say "NO NO, it's more complicated than that !!!!" - but no, it's not. They are playing hot sections of the wheel due to the bias...... but a system player who uses hot numbers is a bonehead (laughs)).
Amazing.
Hi TG,
I'm playing devils advocate here and open to all ideas. As I have stated to Steve, I do not blindly follow "self professed gurus" but look at what ideas members have and test them for myself. I have reviewed what you have to say about repeaters and I can see the logic in most of what you are saying and so am testing it for myself with very good results I must add. The only thing I'm not sold on yet is the random explanation as to rely on random alone for the repeated numbers to come out is putting your faith in random not in a logical explanation why you tend to get some numbers repeating often in a short timeframe and others going to sleep. As I said to Steve, when I analyse the live wheel I think repeats can be caused by the dealer signature spinning the ball with a certain rythm and it landing in the same areas of the wheel more often than other parts. This to me is a logical explanation why you get rare events like back to back repeats or even triple back repeats. I find it hard to link random distribution with repeats forming more often on certain numbers than others.
In terms of what Steve is on about with increasing the accuracy of prediction by looking at the physical properties and related variables he has a very good point as a way of approaching the problem. Its not the only way but is obviously a very powerful way as Casino fear this approach.
Roulette computers are not the only way you can identify a bias. Its not only a wheel bias that you can exploit. I mentioned recently that last Easter I was at the casino and witnessed a dealer having some fun with some gamblers just before close. He was trying to aim for a particular number and was consistently hitting a certain sector. The same numbers kept coming up. One observant gambler noticed this and placed 5 $25 chips on those few numbers where the ball was landing and ignored the other 32 or so numbers. Within two spins he won $1800 then tried a third time and it went to another sector of the wheel so he lost. But the point is by observing these biases you can exploit the situation and increase your accuracy of prediction
As I pointed out you can either use a direct approach by analysing the wheel and where the ball lands or you can view the effect of the actions - the repeats- as a way of exploiting the situation. So both your method and Steve's approach have similarities. Your idea of repeats is just an indirect method and you do not have to think about ball speed or wheel rotation etc.
But to claim a general phenomena with repeats as something that random dishes up with any more accuracy than random numbers I would not rely entirely on that alone. But I would not discount a system that, with the right stop losses and proper money management, is based on this concept of numbers repeating. I am currently testing how successful a system like this can be compared to random number selection on a live wheel. I will also test it on an RNG wheel at my local Casino and see which platform is more accurate.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 16, 10:48 AM 2018As I said to Steve, when I analyse the live wheel I think repeats can be caused by the dealer signature spinning the ball with a certain rythm and it landing in the same areas of the wheel more often than other parts. This to me is a logical explanation why you get rare events like back to back repeats or even triple back repeats. I find it hard to link random distribution with repeats forming more often on certain numbers than others.
Well, to begin with - this is a problem on your part as far as how you're thinking about it.
You can resolve this issue easily though by taking live spins from a live wheel and charting them (with RX or something similar). Then run off RNG spins, or import then from a source of random spins and you'll see the exact same events happen.
Then you can conclude that since the RNG sources don't have a physical wheel and ball, and dealer - that those things are eliminated from the "why" these things happen.
Sure, on a bias wheel you'll see strange things (Bias wheels aren't "random" and that's not what 99.9% of players are going to face) - and I've also seen dealers "aim" for sections of the wheel... it's a urban legend. When it happens, it seems as if they did it - when it doesn't happen.... it's just discounted. In reality, it doesn't happen.
A "normal" speed wheel going in one direction - a ball going in the other direction....
the deflects that happen when the ball leaves the track, the scatter all over the wheel until it lands in a pocket (and back out, back into another one, maybe back out again lol) - is all
the logic and common sense you need to know it's not possible.
Example - take a darts player.
A skilled darts player can hit a bulls eye - sometimes multiple times in a row of course.
Now consider this for a moment....
The ROOM is rotating horizontally, the platform the dart shooter is standing on is rotating horizontally in the opposite direction and the shooter wears a blindfold.
NOW - if you can tell me that the person hits the bulls eye now due to "SKILL".. then you
aren't being honest. It's no different than the dealer with the ball spinning one way, the wheel the other - the speed is NOT reliable each time and then you think that they magically hit that sector they aimed for ? Be realistic and think about it.
Sure, the shooter will hit the bulls eye on the dart board - of course, the math says it's possible. But to then point to that and say "He's good ! He meant to do that" is absurd.
So now when it comes to hot numbers, cold numbers, rare events, patterns - you no longer NEED the wheel, the ball or the dealer in order to see how and why these things happen.
Those variables might make it random but they aren't needed for any hot or cold or rare event to happen. A person pulling balls from a hat, a RNG, atomic decay like in the video I posted.... any source of real random will produce what you think only can happen with a physical wheel and ball. Food for thought.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 15, 05:57 PM 2018It makes more logical sense to increase bets as your bankroll increases.
It will take less time to reach your goal that way.
I agree with you here. Using the Casino money to increase your bets is the best way to play any system. If you are in a losing position you should not increase your bets to recover losses. I learnt this the hard way. So any system that generates a profit should use a positive progression to amplify the winning streak.
:o
Ricky, I like the way you think. If on a losing streak, stay with flat bets that way your losses are limited. If variance is on your side, use a positive progression and see exponential growth!
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 11:12 AM 2018
Well, to begin with - this is a problem on your part as far as how you're thinking about it.
You can resolve this issue easily though by taking live spins from a live wheel and charting them (with RX or something similar). Then run off RNG spins, or import then from a source of random spins and you'll see the exact same events happen.
Then you can conclude that since the RNG sources don't have a physical wheel and ball, and dealer - that those things are eliminated from the "why" these things happen.
Sure, on a bias wheel you'll see strange things (Bias wheels aren't "random" and that's not what 99.9% of players are going to face) - and I've also seen dealers "aim" for sections of the wheel... it's a urban legend. When it happens, it seems as if they did it - when it doesn't happen.... it's just discounted. In reality, it doesn't happen.
A "normal" speed wheel going in one direction - a ball going in the other direction....
the deflects that happen when the ball leaves the track, the scatter all over the wheel until it lands in a pocket (and back out, back into another one, maybe back out again lol) - is all
the logic and common sense you need to know it's not possible.
Example - take a darts player.
A skilled darts player can hit a bulls eye - sometimes multiple times in a row of course.
Now consider this for a moment....
The ROOM is rotating horizontally, the platform the dart shooter is standing on is rotating horizontally in the opposite direction and the shooter wears a blindfold.
NOW - if you can tell me that the person hits the bulls eye now due to "SKILL".. then you
aren't being honest. It's no different than the dealer with the ball spinning one way, the wheel the other - the speed is NOT reliable each time and then you think that they magically hit that sector they aimed for ? Be realistic and think about it.
Sure, the shooter will hit the bulls eye on the dart board - of course, the math says it's possible. But to then point to that and say "He's good ! He meant to do that" is absurd.
So now when it comes to hot numbers, cold numbers, rare events, patterns - you no longer NEED the wheel, the ball or the dealer in order to see how and why these things happen.
Those variables might make it random but they aren't needed for any hot or cold or rare event to happen. A person pulling balls from a hat, a RNG, atomic decay like in the video I posted.... any source of real random will produce what you think only can happen with a physical wheel and ball. Food for thought.
I'm not suggesting you will see a dealer related wheel bias on all live dealer games all the time. Some dealers are just too professional to give you any chance at identifying a rhythm . They tend to spin the wheel really fast and/or the ball really fast. They mix it up every other spin. So with your analogy of the dart player and the spinning room and the blind fold I agree you will not get the same result as if the dart player had full steady concentration. The examples I am talking about is where the wheel is spun very slowly and the ball is launched slowly so the amount of scatter and bounce is limited to a few pockets near where the ball left the track. This is the situation I was referring to. It was really easy to see what he was doing. This coupled with the fact the gamblers were egging him on to hit a certain number. But you will not experience this situation always. But it does happen. So as well as using other systems to play the game it does pay to be observant when these situations arise. Know where all the numbers on the wheel are or have a reference card and when an opportunity presents place your bets around where the ball is landing.
Having said that I see this method as very tedious and Steve admits himself if you get it wrong it can be more costly than random selection.
So a strategy like following phenomenon like repeats of numbers is an easier way to structure a bet selection. But the question all comes down to accuracy and does it provide an advantage. I guess this is where the discussion and controversy has been. People want proof that a method like Repeaters or even wheel bias is any better than random selection.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: TurboNow consider this for a moment....
The ROOM is rotating horizontally, the platform the dart shooter is standing on is rotating horizontally in the opposite direction and the shooter wears a blindfold.
NOW - if you can tell me that the person hits the bulls eye now due to "SKILL".. then you
aren't being honest. It's no different than the dealer with the ball spinning one way, the wheel the other - the speed is NOT reliable each time and then you think that they magically hit that sector they aimed for ? Be realistic and think about it.
Turbo,
This dart player would like to challenge you to a roulette game of darts in AC. You play your system, and I'll play my VB. Let's see who comes out ahead after five days of play. The loser pays the winner 1k!
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I must win twice as much as you do, or you win! Yes, that's right, I'm saying that I will win 2 x more than you will with your little system!
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What do you say? Wanna go for a ride?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 11:12 AM 2018
Well, to begin with - this is a problem on your part as far as how you're thinking about it.
You can resolve this issue easily though by taking live spins from a live wheel and charting them (with RX or something similar). Then run off RNG spins, or import then from a source of random spins and you'll see the exact same events happen.
Then you can conclude that since the RNG sources don't have a physical wheel and ball, and dealer - that those things are eliminated from the "why" these things happen.
Sure, on a bias wheel you'll see strange things (Bias wheels aren't "random" and that's not what 99.9% of players are going to face) - and I've also seen dealers "aim" for sections of the wheel... it's a urban legend. When it happens, it seems as if they did it - when it doesn't happen.... it's just discounted. In reality, it doesn't happen.
A "normal" speed wheel going in one direction - a ball going in the other direction....
the deflects that happen when the ball leaves the track, the scatter all over the wheel until it lands in a pocket (and back out, back into another one, maybe back out again lol) - is all
the logic and common sense you need to know it's not possible.
Example - take a darts player.
A skilled darts player can hit a bulls eye - sometimes multiple times in a row of course.
Now consider this for a moment....
The ROOM is rotating horizontally, the platform the dart shooter is standing on is rotating horizontally in the opposite direction and the shooter wears a blindfold.
NOW - if you can tell me that the person hits the bulls eye now due to "SKILL".. then you
aren't being honest. It's no different than the dealer with the ball spinning one way, the wheel the other - the speed is NOT reliable each time and then you think that they magically hit that sector they aimed for ? Be realistic and think about it.
Sure, the shooter will hit the bulls eye on the dart board - of course, the math says it's possible. But to then point to that and say "He's good ! He meant to do that" is absurd.
So now when it comes to hot numbers, cold numbers, rare events, patterns - you no longer NEED the wheel, the ball or the dealer in order to see how and why these things happen.
Those variables might make it random but they aren't needed for any hot or cold or rare event to happen. A person pulling balls from a hat, a RNG, atomic decay like in the video I posted.... any source of real random will produce what you think only can happen with a physical wheel and ball. Food for thought.
Ed, i Have send you a pm, it's important.
Greetz,
Eddy
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What do you say Turbo?
Jekh, or anyone else willing to play Turbo's system is welcome to try as well.
Quote from: The General on Jun 16, 12:09 PM 2018What do you say? Wanna go for a ride?
You would be wasting my time - much like now. I already said we're not on the same level and I'm not replying to you anymore. Find another source of amusement.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 16, 12:00 PM 2018But the question all comes down to accuracy and does it provide an advantage. I guess this is where the discussion and controversy has been. People want proof that a method like Repeaters or even wheel bias is any better than random selection.
Everyone agrees that the only way to win against the offset house payout for any location (edge) is to achieve wins higher than "expected".
If anyone read what I've repeatedly said, they would understand how this works and how to do it each and every time.
Random has limits.
A number can't appear twice unless it's shown once.
It can't appear three times unless it's shows twice. (and etc.)
Steve and General think it's a joke (or they are pretending that it is while they already know what I'm saying is correct... either way irrelevant to me).
Think about "potential" outcomes in a random game.
Any number that hasn't appeared since you began playing (not past spins) is
potentially a long term sleeper.
Any number that has appeared since you began playing is potentially a hot number.
You can't lose a single unit if you don't play the sleeper/cold numbers as they are
cold if you never bet on them. This changes the math of the game.
You walk up and sit down and Joe says "Damn, I've been here 4 hours and #11 hasn't shown up yet that whole time !" - Now think... if you're playing hot numbers, and you had been playing next to Joe - you would have NEVER lost a single bet on #11 because you would have had no reason to play it, therefore you never lost due to it being "cold".
Likewise - any hot number you would have won on continuously.
Do Hot numbers go cold ? Yes. They also appear at "expected" as well in the future.
Do Cold numbers go hot ? Yes. They also appear at "expected" as well in the future.
A math person would tell you to chart the "possibilities" and you'll get a nice little
graph - then you'll see that there's only one reliable way to play and that is on hot numbers. If cold number(s) appear and start becoming hot, you'll be on them as well and profit.
But you'll never profit on any location where numbers appear below expected while you're betting on them.....
This is all common sense and logic, but it's humorous of course to those who don't think for themselves. To everyone else - they'll completely understand. They might even work out the math as I have that proves it.
Quote from: TurboYou would be wasting my time - much like now. I already said we're not on the same level and I'm not replying to you anymore. Find another source of amusement.
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I'm going to sweeten the deal. I must win 3 x as much as you win in order to win the bet!What do you say?
Hahaha... The general, the funniest guy in this forum!
Turbochicken. :thumbsup:
Quote from: TurboEveryone agrees that the only way to win against the offset house payout for any location (edge) is to achieve wins higher than "expected".
If anyone read what I've repeatedly said, they would understand how this works and how to do it each and every time.
Random has limits.
A number can't appear twice unless it's shown once.
It can't appear three times unless it's shows twice. (and etc.)
Look out he's started again with the rocket science.
Turbo, did you know a number can't appear once unless it hasn't hit before?
In order to win you have to place a bet? :xd:
A bit different topic, but I've already added screens of sessions in this topic.
A concept other than Turbo, based on trends.
We'll see how it will behave on many spins.
The assumption is a 3 streets game, not every spin, totally flatbet. First 5000 spins.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 12:41 PM 2018A math person would tell you to chart the "possibilities" and you'll get a nice little
graph - then you'll see that there's only one reliable way to play and that is on hot numbers. If cold number(s) appear and start becoming hot, you'll be on them as well and profit.
Couldnt agree more
Dont let the flies spoil the day
Take comfort in the knowledge that when flies arnt buzzin around...their lives amount to crawling around on some peice of dog shit
Quote from: Turner on Jun 16, 02:30 PM 2018.their lives amount to crawling around on some peice of dog shit
Nicely put !
QuoteA math person would tell you to chart the "possibilities" and you'll get a nice little
graph - then you'll see that there's only one reliable way to play and that is on hot numbers. If cold number(s) appear and start becoming hot, you'll be on them as well and profit.
Intelligent people call that guessing.
Turbo,
What about the challenge?
I must win 3 x as much as you win in order to win the bet!
Quote from: The General on Jun 16, 04:23 PM 2018Intelligent people call that guessing.
intelligent people would understand it
Quote from: Turner on Jun 16, 06:02 PM 2018
intelligent people would understand it
Intelligent people would understand that the hot numbers strategy is a big fallacy
What about rare pattern and bet against?
A short progression (1,2,4 or 1,2,1... etc...), little risk and great win rate 8)
Its not about risk Vs profit. U can play flat if u want.
Question is
Looking for pattern in a random game and bet against is a fallacy or not?
Quote from: Madi on Jun 16, 06:32 PM 2018
Its not about risk Vs profit. U can play flat if u want.
Question is
Looking for pattern in a random game and bet against is a fallacy or not?
It's part of the gambler's fallacy...a fool's folly.
Some advantages
The house edge is minimal (it's a 50/50 game).
Lower variance (Roulette has an infinite variance).
No dealer cheating (some dealers use electronic devices at roulette to accelerate or slow down the wheel or to control where the ball will land)
No zero (the main reason that's hard you win at roulette long term)
The lower variance is the main reason that you win betting against a rare pattern most of the time.
No patience to wait for the rare pattern is the problem. Most people want playing every hand or every spin.
I think it doesn't work playing roulette because the spins are Independent from each other. In baccarat the cards are pre arranged in the shoe. That's the difference.
Take out 0 from roulette and minimal house from baccarat.
Still looking for pattern and bet against is fallacy.
And minimum house edge means in long term u will lose that minimum amount. Ye still u lose. Its not exactly 50-50 game
Take out zero from roulette and minimum house from bacc.
Still its fallacy. Pattern fallacy has nothing to do with house
You're right!
Keep playing hot numbers strategy.
Regards
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 16, 06:52 PM 2018
Lower variance (Roulette has an infinite variance).
The lower variance is the main reason that you win betting against a rare pattern most of the time.
I think it doesn't work playing roulette because the spins are Independent from each other. In baccarat the cards are pre arranged in the shoe. That's the difference.
Oh, and read it again and try it for yourself. â˜®ï¸ Peace
Regards
Lets delete the roulette .
Now in bacc its like even chance as u said 50-50. Each time player banker showed up is an independent event. A player showed up now means its has nothing to do with past or future outcome.
Still looking for patten and bet against in that even chance is fallacy. It has its own variance like any other even chance game.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 16, 06:32 PM 2018Looking for pattern in a random game and bet against is a fallacy or not?
It's not a fallacy. One of the chapters in my book is going to be all about how "Gambler's Fallacy" is nonsense and doesn't exist. But that's for another time.
Patterns are everywhere - a pattern also doesn't repeat (in 3 places at once for example).
If I win every time a pattern fails to repeat then I win.
There are patterns all throughout the table layout (or wheel if you prefer) and they won't repeat thanks to random. I can give examples but anyone can do it themselves and see.
Therefore if I win when a pattern that never repeats doesn't repeat... it's a no-brainer
that they have immense value for the player.
Ignore the "Fallacy" talk and do testing, you'll see there is NO fallacy and this is created to stop people from looking into ways that work.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 16, 08:05 PM 2018
Lets delete the roulette .
Now in bacc its like even chance as u said 50-50. Each time player banker showed up is an independent event. A player showed up now means its has nothing to do with past or future outcome.
Still looking for patten and bet against in that even chance is fallacy. It has its own variance like any other even chance game.
The variance in Baccarat is much lower than the roulette variance. Who knows Baccarat game knows that and knows that the pattern will stop forming at some point. And it happens quickly. You will hardly see a pattern forming 4 times in Bacarrat. Ex. BPP BPP BPP BPP. And we can take advantage of it. Not always you will win but you will win much more than losing. It's a grinder. It is not fallacy. It's about to know how the game works and its statistics. The best way to use the strategy is betting on the right conditions trying do find biased shoes.
For the rare pattern folks
Question: Does the number of pockets on the wheel and the number of numbers on which you bet determine the probability of winning?
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If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next, then why would the probability of winning change over the next series of spins just because you've witnessed a rare event? ::)
Logic, it's always in the way. ::)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 08:22 PM 2018
a pattern also doesn't repeat (in 3 places at once for example).
May I ask you what do you mean?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 08:22 PM 2018
If I win every time a pattern fails to repeat then I win.
There are patterns all throughout the table layout and they won't repeat thanks to random.
Well, I must admit that this time I agree with Turbo
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 08:22 PM 2018Ignore the "Fallacy" talk and do testing, you'll see there is NO fallacy and this is created to stop people from looking into ways that work.
After 5 reds in a row, black is more due to spin. Or maybe red is hot and should be bet on. Which is the fallacy?
If either pattern fails, turbo wins. Repeaters is no different.
And yes, do testing. It shows youre full of shit.
Turbo you say some really dumb things.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 16, 09:11 PM 2018
Well, I must admit that this time I agree with Turbo
It's absurd. Here's why, the probability of winning is still short of what you should be paid for the probability of the pattern not appearing or appearing.
You can't side step or avoid this by betting against rare patterns. It's just plain stupid to argue otherwise.
In short, there's still one or two too many numbers on the wheel.Quote from: SteveTurbo you say some really dumb things.
Agreed.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 16, 09:28 PM 2018
And yes, do testing. It shows youre full of shit.
Camon steve. U r getting hot. Cool down
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 12:41 PM 2018Think about "potential" outcomes in a random game.
Any number that hasn't appeared since you began playing (not past spins) is
potentially a long term sleeper.
Any number that has appeared since you began playing is potentially a hot number.
I hear what your saying and I agree with most of your logic around ignoring numbers that do not seem to be appearing. You can't lose on them until they appear as you did not have a bet on them. So if they sleep 200 spins that's 200 spins you did not lose on them. That's logical. The same goes with hot numbers. If they keep appearing you will win from them as you covered these numbers and were fortunate to get more wins than losses. And with a positive progression you are using casino money to cover them with a higher stake so next time if you are "fortunate" to get another hit on them your wins are amplified. with a 35:1 payout it makes perfect sense the more you bet the higher your return. You cannot do the same with even chances paying 1:1.
The contention with your claim and the dispute others are having is the word "potentially". You do not know with a high degree of accuracy that a number will continue to be a sleeper. And you argue that you do not need to know and use progressions to make up for this unknown. You are right about not knowing ,as without knowing the cause you cannot know the effect of why a number will be more likely to hit or not.
So what you are basically doing is the same betting on a horse race. Given 37 horses in the race, you need to start eliminating the potential losers from the potential winners. You look at all the odds and see 100:1 horses with next to no chance of winning and 2:1 favourites with every chance of winning. In the middle you have some potential winners at 5:1 and 8:1. So how do you weed out the poterntial winners from the potential losers. There are thee ways -
1. knowledge of the previous horses' results and race times at similar distances and deducing which ones will outperform which on the day. Also this includes knowledge of the track conditions, when the horse ran last etc. The more information you have the more accurate you will be. This is equivalent at looking at the cause to determine the effect as Steve describes.
2. Count how many wins each horse had in the recent past. The one that has won 20 races straight without a loss has got to be the favourite. You would be silly not to cover this horse. The odds are he will do it again. But you don't research why he won 20 in a row you just look at the win/loss stats. Now the donkey that lost the last 20 races and hasn't won a single race you wouldn't cover this horse even though its paying 1000:1. You then look at the other horses. Some have won a few races in recent starts. You would consider these as possible winners or at least for a place. But you still don't know what conditions they won, what were their times, what sort of track. You can't compare these conditions to the current race conditions.
3. And the last way to make your choice is by randomly selecting a winner. Having a flutter. No real idea who will win. Maybe because you like the name of the horse.
So which gambler is going to have the best chance at choosing the winner? Which one is going to take the prize?
Well, in my opinion, the 1st one is going to be right most of the time. The 2nd won has a good chance of getting some wins using that method but may not win as often. Or he may be lucky and outperform the 1st one. we don't really know. There is no proof either two are any better. Now the 3rd punter is relying totally on luck to choose the winning horse. He may or may not choose the right horse more often than the other two punters. But the chances are he will lose more than he wins.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Madi on Jun 16, 09:46 PM 2018Camon steve. U r getting hot. Cool down
The only reason he and "General" get worked up is because they know I'm right.
But that's how it is.
If I say "Random has limits" they can laugh.
If I say "Math beats a math game" they can laugh.
It's irrelevant though, they can laugh and post pictures but they can't
show any example of me being wrong. (the number of pockets on the wheel don't matter)
So that's all they have, I'm full of shit and post funny pictures - meanwhile....
the people they call "sheep" are listening and learning.
Like I said, they aren't on my level anymore - and it's a waste of time replying to them.
And neither will ever say or admit on any open forum that anything I say is right.
But my results..... it has a way of completely destroying their arguments given enough time... the last excuse will be "It's not enough spins" and that's all they'll have left once I'm done proving everything I've ever said is 100% accurate. I'll take that "last laugh" for sure.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 16, 10:13 PM 2018So what you are basically doing is the same betting on a horse race. Given 37 horses in the race, you need to start eliminating the potential losers from the potential winners. You look at all the odds and see 100:1 horses with next to no chance of winning and 2:1 favourites with every chance of winning. In the middle you have some potential winners at 5:1 and 8:1. So how do you weed out the poterntial winners from the potential losers. There are thee ways -
1. knowledge of the previous horses' results and race times at similar distances and deducing which ones will outperform which on the day. Also this includes knowledge of the track conditions, when the horse ran last etc. The more information you have the more accurate you will be. This is equivalent at looking at the cause to determine the effect as Steve describes.
2. Count how many wins each horse had in the recent past. The one that has won 20 races straight without a loss has got to be the favourite. You would be silly not to cover this horse. The odds are he will do it again. But you don't research why he won 20 in a row you just look at the win/loss stats. Now the donkey that lost the last 20 races and hasn't won a single race you wouldn't cover this horse even though its paying 1000:1. You then look at the other horses. Some have won a few races in recent starts. You would consider these as possible winners or at least for a place. But you still don't know what conditions they won, what were their times, what sort of track. You can't compare these conditions to the current race conditions.
3. And the last way to make your choice is by randomly selecting a winner. Having a flutter. No real idea who will win. Maybe because you like the name of the horse.
your #1 doesn't count. No past spins in this game give a clue as to future ones.
A horse that won 100 times in a row is no likely to win over any other horse when it
comes to "random" and how it works. Luckily, like I said in the horse race analogy a while ago - in roulette.. you can change your horse(s) at ANY time, right up until the finish line.
It sort of makes it impossible to lose when you factor in this variable.
Even if the horses run "randomly" as I described - the winner will still win, the 2nd place horse will be a calculated and predictable position back on the track, and the 3rd place horse will also be in a predictable position.
Now if you see a horse past those point, you can surely bet on it to win the race......
even if it's running randomly... and you'll win more than you'll lose.
#2 is the same, past results don't matter to roulette. Now the current session you are playing (the current horse race)... contains ALL of the info you need. The past races don't matter. The naysayers even agree that past spins don't matter - but hell, if i said it it's probably misleading now lol.
#3 is fine but yes that person will lose/win end around the house edge eventually of course.
"Potentially" is one of the most important words when working with random.
You can never have 100% accuracy because the future spins can't be predicted in such a way. Hell, not even 70% - or worse at times.... the house edge is 5.26% or 2.7% (along with some others depending on the rules where you play with the 0/00 and even money bets)....
I don't need to be 100%, 70%, or even 50% or 30% accurate in order to overcome this.
Can you devise a way to win say 30% of the time over multiple spins when you can pick your own odds of winning based on how many locations you play ? Of course.
I even have a way to play where the win/loss ratio is 50/50 but the casino pays 1.25 units on a win and takes 1 unit on a loss.... not even the General with his calculator can dispute that my win rate being 50/50.. with a payout of +1.25 win vs -1.00 loss clearly shows the edge isn't the casino's anymore. But then I'm misleading of course, it goes against everything people have been told since forever. Wobbling wheels and computers are the only way to go ! Pay no attention to the other guy who doesn't need them to win lol.
Everyone is sheep and I'm the guru of lies according to them - full of shit. *sighs.
Quote from: TurboIf I say "Random has limits" they can laugh.
If I say "Math beats a math game" they can laugh.
Yes, that's correct. We laugh and for a good reason. ::)
Quote from: Turbobut they can't
show any example of me being wrong. (the number of pockets on the wheel don't matter)
Oh really? If the number of pockets doesn't matter, then what exactly do you feel determines the probability of winning? Is it the last series of numbers to have hit? ::) Perhaps you can provide some proof that the number of pockets doesn't matter, rather than posting some oxymorons?
Quotethe people they call "sheep" are listening and learning.
Not learning, but rather being infected by ignorance.
Quote from: TurboBut my results..... it has a way of completely destroying their arguments given enough time... the last excuse will be "It's not enough spins" and that's all they'll have left once I'm done proving everything I've ever said is 100% accurate. I'll take that "last laugh" for sure.
If you're sooo sure that you can win, then why don't you accept my challenge? ::)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 08:22 PM 2018Patterns are everywhere - a pattern also doesn't repeat (in 3 places at once for example).
Turbo,
I am going to have to call this out because I was of the same opinion a year ago and followed an idea I thought was the Holy Grail. It used this exact idea and is called "Permutation Theory". I thought it was the Holy Grail. Start betting Martingale using the EC pattern of last 7 spins. I bet AGAINST the pattern repeating. Its a rare event for a 7 spin pattern to repeat immediately right? Let alone repeat 3 times in a row. That's 21 spins of a 7 spin pattern. Well I started playing this and even waited for the first 2 spins to start to repeat after the pattern formed. I lost the next 5 spins. The pattern repeated. Well that's a rare event you say. I bet it could not repeat a 3rd time. So started betting it again with another Martingale. Another 7 spins. I stopped half way after losing my whole bankroll and continued observing the results. Well that rare event happened 3 times in a row a 7 spin black/red pattern repeated.
This may be a rare event. I seem to have no luck following these systems. But you cannot rely on this method to find your HG. It will eventually bite you.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 16, 10:38 PM 2018I thought it was the Holy Grail. Start betting Martingale using the EC pattern of last 7 spins. I bet AGAINST the pattern repeating. Its a rare event for a 7 spin pattern to repeat immediately right?
You need(ed) a more rare event.
So any time a even money bet repeats 14 times you would lose (for example, the math is exactly the same in your example vs 14 repeats of a even money bet).
Now it's not common no, but 14 in a row surely happens and most people see it at least once during a casino trip - the reader board all reds for example, or all odds, etc.
Your "rare" event wasn't a rare event and that's why it didn't work.
Turbo your horse analogy is wrong. If you change your horse selection in the middle of the race, as it relates to roulette, the only odds that count are whether the horse gains or loses ground. Its current position doesn't change the odds, and its previous speed doesn't change future speed.
Add it to the list of dumb things you say but don't even understand.
There's also not a single rare event that changes odds.
You may have been around for a while but its clear now you're still very inexperienced. Its good the reasonable members are seeing it.
:yawn:
Steve, General and Co Wake up!
When i Always bet on the 5 numbers that Have hit the Most at all time (playing the 5 hottest) and switching numbers when needed, how on earth would i lose on All the other numbers?
You really should be back in school and start playing attention.
I don't Have to be 100% Right anymore about wich would Have the Most hits of those 5 numbers in the End, because, wich one it would be, i would Have bet on it. Agreed, flatbet, this won't work. But if you through in a possitive agressive progression, you would never lose at the House Edge again. Because you are not playing at the House Edge to begin with.
And it doesn't matter if my wheel has 37 38 or 51 pockets.....as Long the game produces Random outcomes you can't lose. It's allbout bein' Right a few times only. But hey, i'm Just a sheep :yawn:
Jek you'll get it one day :thumbsup:
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 17, 01:19 AM 2018But if you through in a possitive agressive progression, you would never lose at the House Edge again. Because you are not playing at the House Edge to begin with.
Why arent you out winning millions? I wonder.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jun 17, 01:46 AM 2018
Why arent you out winning millions? I wonder.
Well quite simple Steve,
You May know how to Drive a car, but that doesn't Mean you can drive, before you take lessons.
I know how i can win at roulette, but i don't know the Right way to play it.
Everything Turbo says Make alot of sense. But i'm still a Long way off aplying it. He doesn't say nonsense things, it's All logic, bit i still don't know to put All the puzzle pieces together to do the same.
So you know how to win, but not yet. That makes a lot of sense. ::)
If you actually understood, you'd know turbo doesn't make sense at all.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 17, 02:23 AM 2018
So you know how to win, but not yet. That makes a lot of sense. ::)
If you actually understood, you'd know turbo doesn't make sense at all.
Yes, i know how to win , but that doesn't Mean i can aply it.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 10:37 PM 2018#2 is the same, past results don't matter to roulette. Now the current session you are playing (the current horse race)... contains ALL of the info you need. The past races don't matter. The naysayers even agree that past spins don't matter
Isn't this a contradiction? If past results don't matter in roulette then doesn't this include the past results in the current session too? Nobody uses past results from previous sessions, only the current session, so I don't see how even mentioning previous sessions is relevant. You have to use past results in order to see which numbers are hot in the current session.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 16, 06:52 PM 2018I think it doesn't work playing roulette because the spins are Independent from each other. In baccarat the cards are pre arranged in the shoe. That's the difference.
But if you don't know how they're arranged it can't give you an advantage. Unlike in Blackjack, card counting in baccarat doesn't work, as Edward Thorp and others have proved, so the outcomes might as well be independent just as roulette spins are.
Turbo doesnt have answers for hard questions because the truth leads to a dead end for his charade. When he’s cornered, he either diverts, or gives useless and vague facts to leave hope in minds of inexperienced members. Like 2 comes after 1, 3 comes after 2. Anyone paying attention understands his many contradictions. I thought he was better, but im disappointed to know the real turbo.
He has given ample information to reveal his working principles, and theyre nonsense. Ramblings of an inexperienced gambler. Anyone still believing him will have the same result as CEH followers. Chasing tails for years, looking for the hidden secret for turbos kicks.
He was given the benefit of doubt in the beginning, but it became increasingly clear he really has nothing. The best case is he thought he had something but doesnt want to look stupid now he knows better. But theres too much to support he is at least now knowingly misleading people.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jun 17, 02:53 AM 2018
But if you don't know how they're arranged it can't give you an advantage. Unlike in Blackjack, card counting in baccarat doesn't work, as Edward Thorp and others have proved, so the outcomes might as well be independent just as roulette spins are.
Edward Thorp now there is a very very clever and knowledgeable guy indeed.
Does the.turbo play 37 spin sets on repeaters ?
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 17, 06:31 AM 2018
Does the.turbo play 37 spin sets on repeaters ?
don't know for sure.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jun 17, 02:45 AM 2018Isn't this a contradiction? If past results don't matter in roulette then doesn't this include the past results in the current session too? Nobody uses past results from previous sessions, only the current session, so I don't see how even mentioning previous sessions is relevant. You have to use past results in order to see which numbers are hot in the current session.
The current session is all that matters.
Using spins that came out before you started playing are "past spins", they mean nothing because the game produces random independent numbers.
The session is a collection of spins contained in your current session, they aren't past spins.
Like the analogy I gave before - someone on a vacation wouldn't refer to yesterday when they were on the current vacation as a "past vacation", it's the current one - made up of individual events that make it a whole.
The same applies for roulette and random. Each spin while your playing make up a whole (a session). Anything that happened before the player began betting is past spins and have no value whatsoever.
It's impossible to win or lose on spins that happened before you started playing, but the current session while your are playing contains all the info you need.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 16, 10:49 PM 2018Its good the reasonable members are seeing it.
(reply removed)
(waste of time)
Sorry Mr. Turbo face I think past spins do matter.... Do u agree Mr jhkb76? Lol :thumbsup: especially within 37 spin sets....
Turbo, I like the horse racing analogy and use this sometimes myself. Playing 3 numbers only, I pick the 3 most recent repeaters. I'll stay on these numbers as long as they continue to hit.
If I go 12 spins without a hit, then I switch my bets to the 3 most recent repeaters, and go again.
Works out pretty well. May use a +1/-1 progression on 12 spins sessions
I got the idea from just looking at the marquee as I play. Eventually, the marquee showing past numbers will not go long before showing 1 or 2 numbers repeating up to 2 to 4 times.
The nature of random is extremes. If you ask someone to write down a random sample of 100 spins for red and black, most people will alternate between the two choices every few spins. However, in reality, a real random distribution will have up to 8 or 10 red or black in a row. The same logic goes for repeaters. There WILL be a number that repeats way beyond its expected value in the short term. Staying on a few recent hotties allows me to catch the trend
Turbo I been paying from aus for three years it annoys me a lot this game if u wnna cum Australia and teach your repeating numbers 37 set system I can make it worth it for u ;) Lmao ! Ha
@ Steve and General,
I totally get the mathematical point of view that roulette is a losing game in the long run. But what I am interested in, is how to reduce extreme variance. Do you think that methods that Turbo and others use may be a way to do that?
You only need to know a few points to know turbo has nothing. It has all been said before. The full picture isnt even needed but if you look at it, it all points the same way.
If you're gullible or dont understand it, expect to be chasing the "secret" forever. He's wasting everyone's time. Soon Ill summarize his bs to warn newcomers.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 17, 09:30 AM 2018Soon Ill summarize his bs to warn newcomers.
Simple.
Delete my posts (you can do that)
Delete my forum account (you can do that).
The giant BS meter will drop to 0 again and things can go back to normal...
(which is how great computers work, and how bias wheels can be found and exploited...)
See ? The world is a better place already.
If I'm such a problem as you seem to portray to everyone, then by all means remove me from the ranks as you have the power to do.
People can always read what I post on other forums and places around the internet.
You can dedicate your whole forum to the "Anti-Turbo" movement, it's been done before. In reality though - "enough" people understand the truth and actually learn a few things from what I post and use it. If that's not what you want on your forum then ask me to leave and you have my word that I'm gone.
If your goal is just to attempt to contradict everything I say, regardless - then it's not worth my effort to come here. From the email I get and my "support" I guess that would be a bad idea, but hell - it's your call. You do nothing but insult me and people who see things like I do, but don't stop me from doing it.
So.. say the word !
I've played this game for 20+ years. Started out with even bets, but became bored. Then, for years, I would play some type of "cold number" system thinking numbers are due....I know, very naive.
But, now I only play recent hits, or repeaters. And my game has greatly improved! My winning sessions are way up. And variance seems to be greatly reduced.
Honestly, for all the years playing my "cold number" strategy, I was seeing a much worse rate of loss than expectation.
For me, the math may say we're all losers. But by not chasing cold numbers, I've seen a great improvement.
In 3 rounds of 36 spins (108 total), there is normally 1 to 3 numbers that don't hit at all. So, after 36 spins, 24 numbers have hit and 12 numbers have not. If you were gonna get only 3 numbers for the next 72 spins what would you choose?
Well, there are already 12 unhit numbers. So, knowing the probability that 1 to 3 numbers will not hit in the next 72 spins, I would not pick any of these 12 numbers.
What's cold tends to stay cold. And what's hot tends to stay hot...at least in the short term. Of course, eventually things change and you have to change with it. But if my selection is hitting, why move it to something that isnt.
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 17, 09:52 AM 2018Honestly, for all the years playing my "cold number" strategy, I was seeing a much worse rate of loss than expectation.
Instead - note the cold numbers and play them as they start appearing.
Cold numbers stay cold (lose), show at average (lose to house edge) or go hot (win)
Hot numbers stay hot (could win), show at average (lose to house edge) or go cold (lose)
The key is to play any number as it's becoming hot - once it's hot it could go anywhere.
You could chart as your playing - when you have the 6 coldest numbers for example, play them and then just add 1 unit to them all on each win. One of them will take the hot route, or a few of them - but they won't all stay cold as a group because.....
Random has limits (Steve is laughing). Sadly it does, anyone can test this and see it.
Ken said once about Celtic (and is completely right)... the listing of "cold" numbers after you check back in a hour ? Some of those numbers are now in the hot column.
Those are the key numbers to win, and you win on them because they are hot and repeating.
You could have 6 numbers with 5 total shows over 111 spins for example, and the next cycle of 37 spins you'll have 13 shows on them. You could have the expected 6 shows, or I've seen as high as 14 wins, it can go higher. But they won't stay cold where they are as a group into the future. Just a suggestion, test and find what works for you.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 17, 08:46 AM 2018
Sorry Mr. Turbo face I think past spins do matter.... Do u agree Mr jhkb76? Lol :thumbsup: especially within 37 spin sets....
No, Sorry i don't agree.
The only spins that matter are the spins you play from the moment you begin until you End your session.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 16, 10:38 PM 2018That's 21 spins of a 7 spin pattern. Well I started playing this and even waited for the first 2 spins to start to repeat after the pattern formed. I lost the next 5 spins. The pattern repeated. Well that's a rare event you say. I bet it could not repeat a 3rd time. So started betting it again with another Martingale. Another 7 spins. I stopped half way after losing my whole bankroll
My suggestion for that type of play would be to use all 3 even money locations and note those, bet against a group of them repeating. You'd have a better chance than 1 even money bet alone.
Like... R R R R R B R and betting against it being R R R R R B R again... because this happens and isn't that rare.
Instead use all 3 even money bets and bet against that sequence repeating.
25...R O H
11...B O L
32...R E H
27...R O H (now you could look at your history and bet against B O L)
20...B E H 2 of 3 won
etc. Just a suggestion. a rare event in this case would be all 3 even money bets
in a sequence over a few spins all repeating themselves.
talking rare event if you like them you can get 21 spin window<sample> say and bet against even chance to form
7 in a row
7 successes in 21 spins is 0.0619
6successes in 200 spins 0.8009
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 10:07 AM 2018You could have 6 numbers with 5 total shows over 111 spins for example, and the next cycle of 37 spins you'll have 13 shows on them. You could have the expected 6 shows, or I've seen as high as 14 wins, it can go higher. But they won't stay cold where they are as a group into the future. Just a suggestion, test and find what works for you.
Here is an example I just ran off - 111 spins, noting the 6 coldest numbers.
Playing them once they show, increasing after a win (on the individual number itself)
using a 5/10/20 progression, stopping on a 20 unit win.
After 111 spins, numbers 3,26,27,28,29,35 were the "coldest"
(link:s://s8.postimg.cc/5yvg1jcit/untitled.png)
It only took 50 spins and ended with these stats :
#3....4 shows / 3 wins (ended with a 20 unit win)
#26..1 show / 0 wins
#27..0 shows / never played
#28..3 shows / 2 wins
#29..3 shows / 2 wins
#35..0 shows / never played
11 appearances of 6 numbers over 50 spins..... nothing to see there, 1 went hot.
Now don't forget, I'm misleading - no one can test this themselves and do the same thing.....Random has limits. (laughs and claps from the ignorant)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 10:43 PM 2018Now it's not common no, but 14 in a row surely happens and most people see it at least once during a casino trip - the reader board all reds for example, or all odds, etc.
Your "rare" event wasn't a rare event and that's why it didn't work.
Hi Turbo,
just to clarify because I know a simple pattern like RRRRRR or BBBBBB can repeat 21+ times and is common to see 14 in a row. These are called streaks. I am talking about a more complex pattern where the pattern changes from red to black and black to red in a more unbelievable accuracy. I can't recall the exact pattern I was too dejected. But it was someting like BRBBRRB BRBBRRB BRBBRRB
Now you would think the exact switches from red to black would be rare to happen when sliced in 3 sessions of 7 at exact the time you start betting against it. But it just goes to show any pattern no matter how rare you think it is can be found if you look hard enough.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 08:21 AM 2018nything that happened before the player began betting is past spins and have no value whatsoever.
It's impossible to win or lose on spins that happened before you started playing, but the current session while your are playing contains all the info you need.
Now if you used a strategy that tracked x spins to get the information before you placed your first bet would you still suggest that those last say 20 spins showing in the history bae before you sat at the table are irrelevent. Your statement implies the way you play you pretty much start betting immediately if the opportunity presented. eg if the next two numbers are repeats you would see them has hot and start playing them along with any other number in your current session that starts repeating.
For me I like to use the last 37 spins before deciding which numbers are becoming hot and which are still cold with a non hit. It takes about 20 minutes to generate those 20 numbers so if they are already showing there on the monitor isn't it wise to save those 20 minutes and use the information?
Cheers,
Ricky
Dear turbo!
You say....
"So ALL players ended as a group EVEN. The house edge 0.00 !"
Thus if there no immediate repeat, and we wait or delay every new number hit, then.....!
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 17, 10:45 AM 2018just to clarify because I know a simple pattern like RRRRRR or BBBBBB can repeat 21+ times and is common to see 14 in a row. These are called streaks. I am talking about a more complex pattern where the pattern changes from red to black and black to red in a more unbelievable accuracy.
The math is exactly the same for a pattern of R R R R R R R R R R
and a pattern of R B B R B R R B B B or any other combination you can come up with.
They aren't any different according to the math or the chances of them appearing.
So anyone waiting for 14 reds in a row for example can simply use the last 14
reds and blacks and the results will be the same.
I know it doesn't seem like this is true, but amazingly even people who don't like me
will agree lol... R R R R and R B B R are no different when it comes to what comes next.
It can be R R R R again or R B B R again and the math is exactly the same.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 17, 11:02 AM 2018It takes about 20 minutes to generate those 20 numbers so if they are already showing there on the monitor isn't it wise to save those 20 minutes and use the information?
No, they are past spins.
On the cold number suggestion I posted above, that's fine. Use the reader board if you want to save time. That type of play works when it works and doesn't when it doesn't.
If you want to play hot numbers, the "past spins" before you begin playing are useless.
If you sit down and see
0
13
0
0
18
12
0
and then you sit down and think "HELL !! 0 is hot ! I'm playing it" - if that's how someone
thinks it works - you're terribly wrong. Those 0's are irrelevant unless you were playing them at the time. They won't mean a thing about future spins.
The wins you'll have is from the point where you begin playing and forwards.
A number that gets hot while your betting on it will produce a profit.
If you're on #23 for example and have 5 wins and player B walks up and sits
down, looks at the "past spins" and sees the 23's on the board - they won't be relevant to him at all (if he's smart). He'll be on new hot numbers that appear during his play that he can win on. He can't win on your 23's because they already happened and there's nothing saying that number will stay hot.. more than likely it will stop appearing and other hot numbers will take over.
You say,
2808bet placed, will have zero edge,
Thus by delaying , say eight numbers, then only 28000bets placed, with profit of 8unit?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 16, 08:22 PM 2018
It's not a fallacy. One of the chapters in my book is going to be all about how "Gambler's Fallacy" is nonsense and doesn't exist. But that's for another time.
Patterns are everywhere - a pattern also doesn't repeat (in 3 places at once for example).
If I win every time a pattern fails to repeat then I win.
There are patterns all throughout the table layout (or wheel if you prefer) and they won't repeat thanks to random. I can give examples but anyone can do it themselves and see.
Therefore if I win when a pattern that never repeats doesn't repeat... it's a no-brainer
that they have immense value for the player.
Ignore the "Fallacy" talk and do testing, you'll see there is NO fallacy and this is created to stop people from looking into ways that work.
This is hypnotically funny stuff. :twisted:
Why is it the less experienced and naive a gambler is the more certain they are that all of the experts, mathematicians and history are all wrong? :twisted:
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 11:10 AM 2018
The math is exactly the same for a pattern of R R R R R R R R R R
and a pattern of R B B R B R R B B B or any other combination you can come up with.
They aren't any different according to the math or the chances of them appearing.
So anyone waiting for 14 reds in a row for example can simply use the last 14
reds and blacks and the results will be the same.
I know it doesn't seem like this is true, but amazingly even people who don't like me
will agree lol... R R R R and R B B R are no different when it comes to what comes next.
It can be R R R R again or R B B R again and the math is exactly the same.
I totally agree from maths this is true but you have to admit from an observation of watching a live dealer spin the wheel and all those diamonds to cause the scatter and the sping of the wheel and reverse spin of the ball it pretty damn spectacular when you see this happen more so when a sequence of reds appears. How can a dealer be so precise. Plus this concept goes totally against your explanation of the dart thrower and the spinning room and blindfold. Its like saying if he still gets 6 bulls eyes in a row under those conditions its bloody spectacular. This is what I was thinking back then. What are the odds this can happen the very moment I decided to bet against it? But it did.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 11:59 AM 2018This is hypnotically funny stuff.
Lets be honest here though Caleb...
If you look around this forum and the new posters and new posts....the only person no one actually takes a blind bit of notice of is YOU.....but you persist.
Its a bit like Bruce Willis in 6th sense lol
On one hand you are over here push preaching like a Jehova's Witness and on the other hand slating everyone in here in GF
The fact you have enough ammo to slate everyone here in another forum just shows no one listens to you here.
I think you just like upsetting people. Now....you are good at that. You should be proud you achieve something I guess
QuoteLets be honest here though Caleb...
If you look around this forum and the new posters and new posts....the only person no one actually takes a blind bit of notice of is YOU.....but you persist.
Its a bit like Bruce Willis in 6th sense lol
Actually there are some people that have learned a great deal. Some people are much more intelligent and clever than you think. I now work with someone form this board that's remarkably sharp, and communicate and network with others. So while you may be a slow learner, a few others aren't and have become exceptionally skilled at beating the wheel.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 10:35 AM 2018
Here is an example I just ran off - 111 spins, noting the 6 coldest numbers.
Playing them once they show, increasing after a win (on the individual number itself)
using a 5/10/20 progression, stopping on a 20 unit win.
After 111 spins, numbers 3,26,27,28,29,35 were the "coldest"
(link:s://s8.postimg.cc/5yvg1jcit/untitled.png)
It only took 50 spins and ended with these stats :
#3....4 shows / 3 wins (ended with a 20 unit win)
#26..1 show / 0 wins
#27..0 shows / never played
#28..3 shows / 2 wins
#29..3 shows / 2 wins
#35..0 shows / never played
11 appearances of 6 numbers over 50 spins..... nothing to see there, 1 went hot.
Now don't forget, I'm misleading - no one can test this themselves and do the same thing.....Random has limits. (laughs and claps from the ignorant)
TG I just tested what I understood you try to share using a 1/2/4 progression and here's my result. Oh boy I really didn't expect this. :lol:
Quote from: Turner on Jun 17, 12:09 PM 2018the only person no one actually takes a blind bit of notice of is YOU.....but you persist.
It's funny though. I said I wasn't going to reply to him or Steve but they keep talking to me - kicking up the insults like we're children and that's going to make me deny everything I've said and admit they are right when they aren't. I don't get it.
But like I said, it's Steve's forum and that's fair and how it should be.
If I'm a lying, deceptive and misleading then I should be asked to leave. (and I would).
I've managed to help people with ideas and suggestions but in the end those two will never say I'm right about anything - or even "hey, I might look into that.. it makes sense".
No, it's just a TurboSlam Fest with them.. the PM I wasn't supposed to get was clear to me - they find me amusing and entertainment. I guess it's easier than thinking about anything I've said.
I have the best analogy ever of forums I think - I was in bed last night thinking and laughing...
This is like a college where a few teachers are explaining things, showing ideas and examples and when they step out of the room.. "The General" runs up to the board and draws funny pictures.. "Teecher is Stoopid" and then he ends up in the corner facing the wall of course but he doesn't even understand why he's there.
Bago on the other forum runs in and pulls his pants down and moons everyone, they all laugh and he runs off again.. never a clue and no chance of learning a thing.
Steve is the Dean of this college and comes in whenever I write something on the board and slams a ruler against it .. "BS !!!!!!!" and walks out. I guess he's happy though the class rooms are full. It's damn comical when I think about it this way.
But none of it matters, people are exploring ideas and trying new things and learning from one another - it's how it's supposed to be.
The side-show is funny or annoying but it doesn't change a thing.
Quote from: Ricky on Jun 17, 12:06 PM 2018and the sping of the wheel and reverse spin of the ball it pretty damn spectacular when you see this happen more so when a sequence of reds appears. How can a dealer be so precise
The "dealer" has nothing to do with it at all. He wasn't aiming for 10 reds in a row - it happened because of random. It's like the dart shooter who might hit the bulls eye
3 times while blindfolded in the spinning room - it would "seem" amazing if you think that he did it because of skill - when you look at thousands of throws and notice he only made those 3 then it makes sense that it's random and his results were simply expected to happen and not amazing at all.
Turbo,
You're an easy target because you're explanations are so off the wall and outrageous.
Someone asks you to explain why it works and you write absurd stuff like, two is greater than one, three is greater than two, then you do the horse race stuff and then finish it off with some oxymorons. Then the forumtards try to figure out how it's all connected in the theater of the absurd. It's side splittingly funny stuff!!!
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 12:13 PM 2018
Actually there are some people that have learned a great deal. Some people are much more intelligent and clever than you think. I now work with someone form this board that's remarkably sharp, and communicate and network with others. So while you may be a slow learner, a few others aren't and have become exceptionally skilled at beating the wheel.
Sad thing is....I dont believe you
Perhaps they will pop up and defend you.
Then I will hold my hands up
Quote from: Turner on Jun 17, 01:05 PM 2018
Sad thing is....I dont believe you
Perhaps they will pop up and defend you.
Then I will hold my hands up
Turner,
When you read my posts, deep down you know I'm right. You can feel it. You immediately recognize that I'm beyond the shadow of a doubt the most intelligent, best looking, roulette playing genius, handsome, intelligent, evil genius in the room!
(link:s://media.tenor.com/images/9df1c2bd49882dd8b5b27a5208247129/tenor.gif)
Face it. You love me.
Another 3 sessions, the last one recovered eventually. :twisted:
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 01:15 PM 2018
Turner,
When you read my posts, deep down you know I'm right. You can feel it. You immediately recognize that I'm beyond the shadow of a doubt the most intelligent, best looking, roulette playing genius, handsome, intelligent, evil genius in the room!
(link:s://media.tenor.com/images/9df1c2bd49882dd8b5b27a5208247129/tenor.gif)
Face it. You love me.
I do like you Caleb.....seriously
But I think that the odd bitch slap wont do you any harm :thumbsup:
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 12:47 PM 2018The "dealer" has nothing to do with it at all. He wasn't aiming for 10 reds in a row - it happened because of random. It's like the dart shooter who might hit the bulls eye.
Yes Turbo that's that I am saying. I didd't mean the strreak of Reds were amazing because we all see that at least once per visit as you mention. I was referring to the more "complex" pattern. But again your right you cannot base a bet selection long term on the premise that Random events will not happen when you decide to bet against them. You may get away with it once, twice, ten times or even 100 times. But one day that "rare" event will come back to bite you.
Cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 12:43 PM 2018
This is like a college where a few teachers are explaining things, showing ideas and examples and when they step out of the room.. "The General" runs up to the board and draws funny pictures.. "Teecher is Stoopid" and then he ends up in the corner facing the wall of course but he doesn't even understand why he's there.
Bago on the other forum runs in and pulls his pants down and moons everyone, they all laugh and he runs off again.. never a clue and no chance of learning a thing.
Steve is the Dean of this college and comes in whenever I write something on the board and slams a ruler against it .. "BS !!!!!!!" and walks out. I guess he's happy though the class rooms are full.
I think this is the funniest post i ever Read on this Forum :xd:
But the otherside of the coin tells me that this sad also. That we have come to this Point really. Wasn't this Forum brought to life, with one reason only, and that is to help, contribute and get a deeper understanding how we actualy need to play the game so that we All should Win More then lose? And sharing idea's to make a System even better? This is Just like kindergarden All over again! Calling eachother names, bein' disrespectful to one and another.
Only because a few members have another approach to the game doesn't Mean they are wrong.
Turbo has Made a huge contributing to this and to other forums, you are all forgetting that. He is here trying to teach something, but i reality, he never got a real change in doin' that, because everytime he speaks, he wi be bashed Right away. Even if you think he is wrong or that you Have another oppinion on something, doesn't Mean that you can act disrespectful.
Grow up People, we are all adults here, or atleast some of you.
Be respectful to another, and they Will treat you the same.
-Eddy-
Quote from: cht on Jun 17, 01:46 PM 2018
Another 3 sessions, the last one recovered eventually. :twisted:
Not to be sarcastic or disrespectful i'm Amy way, but did you Read at all what he has explained and said?
6 coldest numbers, i don't think he ment look at spin 15 what the coldest numbers are, what he ment was when you Have 6 unhit numbers left.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 17, 02:34 PM 2018
Not to be sarcastic or disrespectful i'm Amy way, but did you Read at all what he has explained and said?
6 coldest numbers, i don't think he ment look at spin 15 what the coldest numbers are, what he ment was when you Have 6 unhit numbers left.
I know what TG meant. I used his idea adapted to my interpretation of "coldest numbers" that's my version of unhit numbers and they did well except the last session that recovered as well. I fully understand now what TG is on about all this while, I know why his graph look that way.
I have always been a sports gambler, I don't really like sports, but I do like working with numbers. It's made me a lot of money, using progressions and overcoming a house vig of 10%. ( others said it can't be done, the odds are too great, but I did it) I came to roulette at first because I liked the "romance" of it for lack of a better word. I started with even chances like every newbie and was disillusioned. I have had an up and down relationship with roulette, won tens of thousands, lost even more. I then started to read the forums more seriously. I had posted on sports forums countless times, sharing what I have learned and even had a very profitable system used and commercialized without any recognition or profit to me , it's what I get for sharing it on a forum. I would do it again though, since it didn't change who I am. That's what I see with Turbo, he isn't asking anything for his information, he has had it stolen from him and commercialized, he has to fight the naysayers constantly. I have been watching this drama and would like to thank Turbo for everything that he has shared, I used a lot of his ideas into my own representation of what he is saying and have won more money in roulette this month than I ever thought possible.
Use Turbo's information to get you where you need to be, ignore those who say it can't be done, It can be done! And finally give credit where it's due. Thank you TurboGenius for sharing and for fighting.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 17, 02:44 PM 2018
I have always been a sports gambler, I don't really like sports, but I do like working with numbers. It's made me a lot of money, using progressions and overcoming a house vig of 10%. ( others said it can't be done, the odds are too great, but I did it) I came to roulette at first because I liked the "romance" of it for lack of a better word. I started with even chances like every newbie and was disillusioned. I have had an up and down relationship with roulette, won tens of thousands, lost even more. I then started to read the forums more seriously. I had posted on sports forums countless times, sharing what I have learned and even had a very profitable system used and commercialized without any recognition or profit to me , it's what I get for sharing it on a forum. I would do it again though, since it didn't change who I am. That's what I see with Turbo, he isn't asking anything for his information, he has had it stolen from him and commercialized, he has to fight the naysayers constantly. I have been watching this drama and would like to thank Turbo for everything that he has shared, I used a lot of his ideas into my own representation of what he is saying and have won more money in roulette this month than I ever thought possible.
Use Turbo's information to get you where you need to be, ignore those who say it can't be done, It can be done! And finally give credit where it's due. Thank you TurboGenius for sharing and for fighting.
A very Nice post nimo, thank you.
The one thing I fail to understand is why won't members post their system. I made a lot of money with my baccarat system, I mean a lot of money. Yes I have no problems to post my system. WTF tell me why not ?
Jekhb,
You believe in Turbo's method?
Why do you suppose it is that nobody can win with Turbo's method on the MPR game? ::) Why haven't you been able to win with it there? ::)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 10:35 AM 2018
Here is an example I just ran off - 111 spins, noting the 6 coldest numbers.
Playing them once they show, increasing after a win (on the individual number itself)
using a 5/10/20 progression, stopping on a 20 unit win.
After 111 spins, numbers 3,26,27,28,29,35 were the "coldest"
(link:s://s8.postimg.cc/5yvg1jcit/untitled.png)
It only took 50 spins and ended with these stats :
#3....4 shows / 3 wins (ended with a 20 unit win)
#26..1 show / 0 wins
#27..0 shows / never played
#28..3 shows / 2 wins
#29..3 shows / 2 wins
#35..0 shows / never played
11 appearances of 6 numbers over 50 spins..... nothing to see there, 1 went hot.
Now don't forget, I'm misleading - no one can test this themselves and do the same thing.....Random has limits. (laughs and claps from the ignorant)
Hi TG
please is it possible to explain how do you play it on "hottest numbers" too? :)
we (members which want to study) would appreciate it very much :thumbsup:
many thanks
Quote from: cht on Jun 17, 03:05 PM 2018
The one thing I fail to understand is why won't members post their system. I made a lot of money with my baccarat system, I mean a lot of money. Yes I have no problems to post my system. WTF tell me why not ?
I think it’s becouse of the constant put downs of certain members do they don’t bother..appreciate you posted your method I’ve been asked by pm how to use 37 back to basics I’ll try and give an example in the next few days of landings pairing etc
Also I for one have been one of those people giving passion roulette a hard time..but I’ve stopped myself now...so degrading to the forum it’s become it’s a bitchfest...apologise to other members 😳😳
And to be honest I’m struggling to stop myself replying on his latest thread 😡😡
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 17, 04:53 PM 2018
And to be honest I’m struggling to stop myself replying on his latest thread 😡😡
It's better to concetrate on the More important things my friend! Let him be.
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 03:46 PM 2018
Jekhb,
You believe in Turbo's method?
Why do you suppose it is that nobody can win with Turbo's method on the MPR game? ::) Why haven't you been able to win with it there? ::)
Forgive me for not be being uptospeed, but who runs MPR?
Quote from: fossell on Jun 17, 05:11 PM 2018Forgive me for not be being uptospeed, but who runs MPR?
That would be Steve.
It's the only real, realistic way to test anything roulette related.
No other sites are because they are all rigged.
RX is rigged, Any RNG is rigged, Roulette SImulator is rigged, Parx is rigged,
Celtic is rigged, an actual casino is also rigged...
There is only one way to prove anything roulette related works - and that's MPR.
(Please excuse the bugs 2 years into the game, the programmer.. or the new programmer is fixing it up.. then there will a reset of all scores and then everyone will lose to the house edge - because NOTHING possibly works.)
Whew, I'm tired now
Damn, I made a entire post without misleading anyone. I get a cookie.
Quote from: TurboThat would be Steve.
It's the only real, realistic way to test anything roulette related.
No other sites are because they are all rigged.
RX is rigged, Any RNG is rigged, Roulette SImulator is rigged, Parx is rigged,
Celtic is rigged, an actual casino is also rigged...
There is only one way to prove anything roulette related works - and that's MPR.
(Please excuse the bugs 2 years into the game, the programmer.. or the new programmer is fixing it up.. then there will a reset of all scores and then everyone will lose to the house edge - because NOTHING possibly works.)
Turbo,
If you feel your little system works then you should accept my challenge to play for real money. Again, I must win 3 x what you win.
I'm willing to fly to AC!
(link:://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/chicken-dance-gif-8.gif)
Turbo's scared!
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 05:37 PM 2018
Turbo,
If you feel your little system works then you should accept my challenge to play for real money. Again, I must win 3 x what you win.
I'm willing to fly to AC!
Aren't you getting tired of yourself General?
What's the Point playing for real with you. If Turbo wins, then you say the lights above the Table were to Dim, so you couldn't,see where you did place your bets and Turbo bribed the dealer when you weren't looking :thumbsup:
There Will be Always an excuses for you to make Turbo look stupit, Let it Be.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 17, 05:39 PM 2018There Will be Always an excuses for you to make Turbo look stupit, Let it Be.
lol.
I've told him no 10 times, I don't think English is his first language.
Steve just lets him do it - it's all a game... At least this place is a "Bago" free zone
I think. Everything I post here he runs to the other forum and posts lol.
Was he banned ? Wait..... he's banned from here ????
Steve called him a "Vile character" lol - best description I've ever seen for someone.
I'll have to make a meme or gif for the General - then he'll understand he's not worth my time.
Well said Turbo
Perhaps Steve could ask for R-sim's coder, then it would work right.
Quote from: cht on Jun 17, 03:05 PM 2018
The one thing I fail to understand is why won't members post their system. I made a lot of money with my baccarat system, I mean a lot of money. Yes I have no problems to post my system. WTF tell me why not ?
Turbo
Sorry to say but you are the cause of all the problems and fights in this forum. People get lost without knowing how your strategy works and you seem to enjoy it. All you do is give clues that lead nowhere. All you have to say is that you bet on hot numbers and that you use an aggressive progression. People are getting tired of your sadistic game. People are tired of asking questions of you and not having clear answers. If you do not want to reveal your game strategy then leave the people alone. I think you do not reveal your strategy and your way of playing because you have nothing to show. And you like people to idolize you and tell you that you are the master of roulette. If you have HG (I doubt it) go away and make millions with it. I'll say it again. Many people are tired of your game of cat and rat and many people do not know that they are being deceived by you.
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 03:46 PM 2018
Jekhb,
You believe in Turbo's method?
Why do you suppose it is that nobody can win with Turbo's method on the MPR game? ::) Why haven't you been able to win with it there? ::)
Yes I do believe in turbo's method.
Well the awnser to your question is quite simple......MPR is a buggy as hell!
First time i tried it a few weeks ago, i won big betting on hotnumbers, but hey when my winning aren't bein' collected into my bankroll, what's the use of playing there anyway.
And you can't say it isn't so, because i have a few forum member who were with me.
So yes, I can understand completely why some aren't winning there.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 17, 06:17 PM 2018Sorry to say but you are the cause of all the problems and fights in this forum
Ahh the wise words of a scammer.
If only someone had bought your garbage as you preyed on desperate people..... but no.
Now you are free to attack legit posters who have no intention of scamming people out of their money. Sad.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 17, 06:22 PM 2018
Yes I do believe in turbo's method.
Well the awnser to your question is quite simple......MPR is a buggy as hell!
First time i tried it a few weeks ago, i won big betting on hotnumbers, but hey when my winning aren't bein' collected into my bankroll, what's the use of playing there anyway.
And you can't say it isn't so, because i have a few forum member who were with me.
So yes, I can understand completely why some aren't winning there.
Sounds like some people just have some questionable internet connections.
Don't feel bad though, Turbo couldn't beat it with his various accounts either.
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 07:07 PM 2018
Sounds like some people just have some questionable internet connections.
.
Can u count on mpr thread that how many people did complain? Seems to me only u and steve got real connection and other just grazing on field.
Again if we do have connection problem we should fix it. Why steve is asking programmer to fix it. U should get it by now
QuoteCan u count on mpr thread that how many people did complain? Seems to me only u and steve got real connection and other just grazing on field.
Again if we do have connection problem we should fix it. Why steve is asking programmer to fix it. U should get it by now
no nooo Madi you do not talk to basses like that...you either have bad internet connection,old computer or your wires are shitt operating system is old sun is shining in wrong direction and you name it...
<meant to spell it bosses but wrong one sounds better :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
There is no bug that would ever stop a system from winning. Turbo knows that. And he knows the combined results of players before reset was near perfectly alligned with the house edge.
The only issues would not cause a system to lose. They are minor and irrelevant issues. That doesn't stop turbo from using it as an excuse.
Remember turbo played thousands of spins without problem. He only left when his results turned to loss.
It's not hard to figure out.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 06:36 PM 2018
Ahh the wise words
You can fool a lot of people here. But you do not fool me. You have a sick mind. Look for help. Get a life and stop with your sadistic game. Stop misleading people.
Many people are tired of asking you. Ok so you own the HG? So get out and make millions... But you prefer stay here and play funny games with the people.
I will say it again. Look for some help. Get a real life.
I'm sad about you.
Maybe you don't realized you have some kind of mental problem.
Maestro you had bad win rate too. Are you blaming that on irrelevant minor bugs too?
QuoteMaestro you had bad win rate too. Are you blaming that on irrelevant minor bugs too?
no i am not...i am shitt player with shitt internet
That seems to be the case
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 17, 07:27 PM 2018
You can fool a lot of people here. But you do not fool me. You have a sick mind. Look for help. Get a life and stop with your sadistic game. Stop misleading people.
Many people are tired of asking you. Ok so you own the HG? So get out and make millions... But you prefer stay here and play funny games with the people.
I will say it again. Look for some help. Get a real life.
I'm sad about you.
Maybe you don't realized you have some kind of mental problem.
Ive just give my first WTF. I though of jizzing, but WTF is more fitting.
Its not appropriate for jizz to be flying everywhere anyway. We dont want a jizz war.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 05:18 PM 2018
That would be Steve.
It's the only real, realistic way to test anything roulette related.
No other sites are because they are all rigged.
RX is rigged, Any RNG is rigged, Roulette SImulator is rigged, Parx is rigged,
Celtic is rigged, an actual casino is also rigged...
There is only one way to prove anything roulette related works - and that's MPR.
(Please excuse the bugs 2 years into the game, the programmer.. or the new programmer is fixing it up.. then there will a reset of all scores and then everyone will lose to the house edge - because NOTHING possibly works.)
Whew, I'm tired now
Damn, I made a entire post without misleading anyone. I get a cookie.
Ok. Thought so. Lol. Hey TG Im gonna set up a roulette simulator site. Everywhere else is rigged to remove the house edge. Would you like to come and test your play there instead? I won't look into your play logs. Honest. :lol: ;)
No offence Steve, but why would anyone test a method they wanted to keep under wraps on a site where the privacy of that play may come into question?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 17, 07:27 PM 2018
You can fool a lot of people here. But you do not fool me. You have a sick mind. Look for help. Get a life and stop with your sadistic game. Stop misleading people.
Many people are tired of asking you. Ok so you own the HG? So get out and make millions... But you prefer stay here and play funny games with the people.
I will say it again. Look for some help. Get a real life.
I'm sad about you.
Maybe you don't realized you have some kind of mental problem.
Are you Bago in disguise. I swear you two sound just the same.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 17, 07:35 PM 2018
Ive just give my first WTF. I though of jizzing, but WTF is more fitting.
A visit from the ICF or even Mayne Line Service Crew.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 17, 07:51 PM 2018
A visit from the ICF or even Mayne Line Service Crew.
LOL....I am 100% straight
Wouldnt be involved in any big hard gangs where men bark at men because they cant own up to the fact they prefer men.
Muppets
Quote from: fossell on Jun 17, 07:43 PM 2018No offence Steve, but why would anyone test a method they wanted to keep under wraps on a site where the privacy of that play may come into question?
Ask Turbo. He plays at the Rs site where the admin video records complete sessions. That's right, they can replay the whole session and see exactly what you did. MPR just logs raw bets and payouts to check for bugs, just like any online casino.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 17, 08:10 PM 2018
Ask Turbo. He plays at the Rs site where the admin video records complete sessions. That's right, they can replay the whole session and see exactly what you did. MPR just logs raw bets and payouts to check for bugs, just like any online casino.
Logic is often missing and is a common problem for many on these forums. ::)
Here's a summary:
1. Turbo was initially winning on MPR (rouletteplayers.org). When he started to lose, he stopped playing at MPR. Then he started playing at Parxonline, a different free roulette site. Initially he didn’t give reasons for changing.
2. He ranked high on the Parx leaderboard, and started bragging that he had the HG. He started various threads preaching.
3. The more experienced members highlighted the faults in his logic, to which he responded with vague claims. He is allowed to keep secrets. The problem is what he did release was mathematically verifiable as incorrect (fact, not opinion). More about this is explained below. He made various contradictory and inaccurate statements about roulette, math and gambling in general.
4. Eventually Turbo lost all his winnings at Parx. He claimed he did it intentionally, to prove that he could.
5. Parxonline is not a realistic roulette simulator, and its math makes it possible for anyone to rank high even with a bad system. Here's how it's done:
Each day you login consecutively (without missing days), you can an increasingly large daily login bonus. After many days, you get the maximum daily bonus of is $3000/day.
To rank high, the player needs to log in every day for the maximum bonus. Then you'll have a larger bankroll than other players. So you can bet higher, win more, and then rank higher on the leaderboard. And if you rank high on the leaderboard, you get huge amounts of bonus money (around $100,000). Additionally, the betting limits are very broad and unrealistic. This means you can use a progression that rarely loses.
So ultimately anyone can rank high in Parx. All it takes is:
- Logging in every day to get the maximum bonus, so you can out-bet other players.
- Taking advantage of the broad and unrealistic betting limits. So a progression allows you to keep winning for longer than real casino roulette. (although this part isn't needed, because of the bonuses)
- Playing often, but not too much. Playing too much will eventually make you lose, as he found. You need only play just enough to out-rank other players, without blowing your bankroll. Then you get another huge bonus and repeat the cycle.
6. Next Turbo moved to RS, another online roulette game. One obvious flaw in the game is it has very broad table betting limits. Real casinos don’t use such limits because it would be too easy for players to win large amounts.
Additionally, RS video-records your sessions. You can make the video recordings public or private. Turbo made his private, but of course the game admin can easily see the recordings.
The RS game shows bankroll trend. Turbo said his system uses "aggressive progression". If this was the case, there would be clearly pronounced ups and downs in his bankroll trend. But instead we see a gradual increase. This clearly shows his progression is mild. It appears clearly his progression aims to increase his bankroll before the start of a betting cycle, then reset. This is the best way to exploit broad and unrealistic table limits.
TURBO'S CLAIMS
* When forced to admin Parx was not a realistic simulator, he claimed it was fair because.... "anyone could get the same bonuses if they wanted". But he neglects the fact most people don’t religiously login every day for the maximum bonus. Now again he claims Parx and RS are "realistic simulators".
* Turbo had two accounts at MPR (rouletteplayers.org) - he said one for serious play, and the other for testing. Both accounts had an overall LOSS. He claims his serious account (where he played thousands of spins) never used his best system.
* Turbo claims he "doesn't bet past spins", but he bets on "hot numbers" before they become hot. Remember, it is verifiable fact that a "hot number" or "cold number" will not spin any more than any other number in the near future (except on biased wheels). So then he's claiming to predict the future, on random/unpredictable spins.
* Turbo claimed he doesn't need to change the odds. But later said he does change the odds because he doesn't bet on cold numbers. His logic is on average, around 24 numbers will appear in 37 spins. He appears to neglect you don't know WHICH numbers will repeat.
* In response to the question of how he knows which numbers will be "hot", he said "3 comes after 2, 4 comes after 3". He is referring to some numbers "becoming hot" in a 37 spin cycle. And in particular some numbers becoming "hotter than others".
* He claims he beats any game and "never loses" provided the results are RANDOM.
The problem with this is random means 1 in 37 accuracy. It means there is no pattern, past spins are meaningless and have no relation to future spins. So with random spins, ANY method of bet selection is useless. And in such a case, you cant sustain winnings because the payout (35-1) will always be unfair. In other words, his bet selection will win 1 in 37 times with each independent bet, but he'll only be paid 35-1.
Basically he is saying he wins, only when spins are completely unpredictable.
* When asked why he avoided MPR, he eventually claimed he was worried I would steal his system. Remember that
- He played RS instead, where the admin video-records his sessions (an even greater risk)
- All MPR does is log wins and payouts, to check for bugs. Every casino does this, but as far as I know only RS video-records sessions.
* Turbo still denies Parx and RS are in any way unrealistic simulators - even despite the betting limits no real casino has. He claims they are more realistic than MPR, where the win rate for all players combined is almost exactly what we expect with a house edge of -2.7%, which is exactly what we expect in real casinos.
* Turbo's latest reasoning for avoiding MPR is that he claims it has "bugs". The bugs he's referring to are minor and insignificant, such as sometimes spins will appear faster than every 30 seconds. He never complained about such an issue when he was winning on MPR. But now he claims this is why he avoids MPR.
Another of his apparent reasons for avoiding MPR is that it is "less realistic than Parx and RS". Proof this is nonsense is before the recently leaderboard reset on MPR, we can combine the overall results from all players and see the house edge is -2.7%, just as it is in a real casino. Already on the latest leaderboard we can see the same situation, validating MPR as a realistic simulator.
But on Parx, there are regularly players who win millions. Usually the slot machine players win the most. Turbo's reasoning is that the betting limits are higher for slot machines. But Turbo contradicted himself by claiming table limits were irrelevant, and that a system will either win or lose.
* Turbo contradicted himself and claimed his system greatly increases the player's edge because out of 37 spins, he knows only about 24 separate numbers will spin. But this cannot at all increase the player's edge because you don’t know what number appeared until it appeared. And once it has appeared, there's still a 1 in 37 chance it will appear again. Remember he said he needs "random" (1 in 37) to win.
* Turbo says his system is based on "hot numbers". He eventually changed his explanations to claiming he bet on the hot numbers before they appeared. This is not possible because in a random game, the previous spins have no connection to future spins. Anyone can verify this with proper testing.
* Turbo claims "math beats a math game". But the math of random is you cannot change the odds, no matter what you do. Random means random. If you cant change the odds of 1 in 37, then you've changed nothing. Multiple bets are not in any way connected - they're just a series of independent bets, each with set odds and payouts.
* Turbo claimed a wheel bias player would make the same bets as him. This means he would bet on "past numbers" that were "hot". This doesnt work unless the wheel is biased. He later changed his mind.
* Turbo claims I'm just discrediting his system only because I want to sell roulette computers, and that I claim roulette computers is the only way to beat roulette. This is false. I never said computers are the only way. In fact I've explained other ways, and just explained you can only win by changing the odds to be better than random. But it isnt possible in a random game. My comments about Turbo's system have nothing to do with my technology. 99.999% of professionals who understand why "repeaters systems" don't work have nothing to do with roulette computers. That's why casinos freely give you data on "hot numbers" - because countless professionals have tested exhaustively and know hot or cold numbers are meaningless. The display of hit numbers preys on gullible and inexperienced players. My preferred methods have nothing to do with the logic I explain about his claims. His defensive claims are more a personal attack against me, rather than careful consideration of the verifiable information I present. In other words, he's attacking the messenger, not the message.
* When asked why he isnt out making millions, Turbo claimed its because money doesn't motivate him. So instead of winning real money, he spends a lot of time winning "fun money" on unrealistic games like Parx and RS, and trying to convince others on forums that his HG system "never loses".
* Another of Turbo's apparent reasons for avoiding MPR is he doesn't trust the spins. The spins are from real wheels, at least 300 consecutive spins from a wheel, before the spin database uses spins from another wheel. He says even if the spins are random, you cant stitch spins from wheels together because "random and random is not random". I disagree, because 1 in 37 is 1 in 37 no matter how you look at it. It's just another of Turbo's excuses for avoiding MPR. To prove I didnt rig spins, I published the spin database in an encrypted file, and released the password after all spins were complete. So anyone could verify the game is fair, and doesn't deliberately make players lose. It works the same way as real roulette with the house edge. Nevertheless, now MPR uses random spins from random.org. He still avoids MPR.
* I asked him if he'd play on MPR if we obtained the spins from random.org, but he refused, again falsely claiming the insignificant MPR "bugs" would make him lose.
* When I and other members explained why his approach wont work, we provided examples, the math, and even software with testing procedures to verify Turbo's approach cannot work on a realistic roulette game. Most notably, even after a number has spun 1,2,3,4 or however many times in however many spins, this number is no more likely to spin next or anytime soon than any other number. In other words, it's still 1 in 37. This is something anyone can easily test with software I supplied, or other software.
If you believe Turbo's logic, 10 reds in a row changes the odds of red spinning again sometime soon. But any experienced or educated person knows this to be false.
* Turbo says to ignore people saying it's "gamblers fallacy", and that the term is actually a conspiracy to stop players from finding methods that work…. like "repeaters".
* Turbo says "random has limits". But this is just not true. Random has no limits, just like numbers have no limits.
* Turbo has said himself he is a "sociopath". This includes:
Compulsive lying
Narcissism (The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder include: grandiose sense of importance, preoccupation with unlimited success, belief that one is special and unique, exploitative of others, lack of empathy, arrogance, and jealousy of others.)
Manipulation (Naturally, a sociopath is going to attempt to play puppet master with the people in their lives. This is likely when many people realize they’re dealing with a sociopath; when it becomes clear that the individual in question is trying to pull the strings and manipulate those around them to get what they want. Again, they think they’ll get away with it due to their narcissism, and don’t care about the consequences.)
While this doesn't address the logic of his "never lose system", it does explain his motives.
Did I miss anything? I'm sure there's lots. I've just taken the time to summarize it to help prevent going in circles. We can refer back to this post to save everyone time.
Ultimately every now and then, a new self-professed guru comes along and misleads people. The experienced members quickly expose them. But the less experienced members (followers) win a few times with the guru's advice, and fight to defend their guru. Then a lot of repetitive arguments occur. The experienced players know the logic and faults, and the inexperienced members keep fighting because they don’t know better. The sociopath enjoys the attention.
Eventually the followers, maybe a year later, realize the self-professed guru misled them. If the followers only tested properly, their loss of time and money could have been avoided.
The cycle repeats again with a different self-professed guru. Often it is the same person using a different username. A prime example is Charles Edward Hampshire. When I asked him privately why he misled people, he claimed it was because he "liked to make people think". In his mind, he was benefiting people. In reality, he was deluded and misleading people.
These "gurus" never come out and admit to misleading people. Why would they? Forget the "messengers" and what you think their motives are, and focus on what is being said, and the logic.
WOW !!!!!!
That's like some kind of weird TurboDocumentary lol
I'll have to read it in the morning though, tired as hell.
I'm honored that you spent so much time on me :)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 10:33 PM 2018
I'll have to read it in the morning though, tired as hell.
Do not forget to take your psychotropics. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jun 17, 09:49 PM 2018Turbo has said himself he is a "sociopath". This includes:
Compulsive lying
You clearly and obviously don't see the humor in that lol
I did when I said it - you don't see it and you just posted it ? lol
If I called myself a sociopath and the definition of that is someone who lies about everything........ do you get it ?? lol
My genius is wasted on the likes of some people.
QuoteIn philosophy and logic, the classical liar paradox or liar's paradox is the statement of a liar who states that he or she is lying: for instance, declaring that "I am lying" or "everything I say is false". If the liar is indeed lying, then the liar is telling the truth, which means the liar is lying. In "this sentence is a lie" the paradox is strengthened in order to make it amenable to more rigorous logical analysis. It is still generally called the "liar paradox" although abstraction is made precisely from the liar himself.
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar_paradox
For crying out loud - think about it lol.
Ok, now I'm going to bed. What the hell dude. lol
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 17, 10:37 PM 2018Do not forget to take your psychotropics.
A: goodnight little scammer.
Dream of scams gone right, where people send you their money......
Go ahead, it's ok. Every scammer dreams those dreams....
Believe what you wish. But this are the graphs played according to TG's idea. It's some voodooish math I have not yet wrapped my head around. It somehow hit for whatever the reason. What if we have a profit target and loss target each session and we mostly have winning sessions ? Will this work with real spins ? Just thinking aloud.
Anyway I suggest you try it out just like what TG describe in his earlier post. It's easier to see how this shit works.
Quote from: cht on Jun 17, 10:44 PM 2018What if we have a profit target and loss target each session and we mostly have winning sessions ?
lol - nice wins. No one is allowed to say that anything I said works or makes sense.
Be careful, you're already going to be called a stupid sheep or Guru follower.
(and ignorant and misleading)
Logic would tell anyone with a brain that
Hot numbers stay hot (sometimes profit), show on average (lose to house edge) or go cold (lose).
Cold numbers stay cold (not being bet on), show on average (lose to house edge) or go hot (player wins).
There's only one option to win and that is to play a number (previously cold or otherwise) that while your playing will appear above average. This is a way to do it. It's not 100% of course but it works when it works. How anyone can argue with this basic explanation is beyond me.. but here we are. Here comes the spears and rocks. Ugh. Bedtime.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 10:33 PM 2018I'm honored that you spent so much time on me
I know you get off on it, but its not time on you. It's time to benefit members, to save them from your deception. So they head in the right direction instead of wasting their time and money. You shouldn't be so proud of it, but that's what a sociopath feels.
Anyone who does proper testing will find out.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 10:51 PM 2018
lol - nice wins. No one is allowed to say that anything I said works or makes sense.
Be careful, you're already going to be called a stupid sheep or Guru follower.
(and ignorant and misleading)
Logic would tell anyone with a brain that
Hot numbers stay hot (sometimes profit), show on average (lose to house edge) or go cold (lose).
Cold numbers stay cold (not being bet on), show on average (lose to house edge) or go hot (player wins).
There's only one option to win and that is to play a number (previously cold or otherwise) that while your playing will appear above average. This is a way to do it. It's not 100% of course but it works when it works. How anyone can argue with this basic explanation is beyond me.. but here we are. Here comes the spears and rocks. Ugh. Bedtime.
Yup, you said that earlier and that clicked it for me. :thumbsup:
Quote from: TurboLogic would tell anyone with a brain that
Hot numbers stay hot (sometimes profit), show on average (lose to house edge) or go cold (lose).
Cold numbers stay cold (not being bet on), show on average (lose to house edge) or go hot (player wins).
There's no logic there Turbo. On an RNG/random wheel why should a hot number perform any better than a cold number???
The answer is they don't! ::)
After a hot number has been observed, it's just as likely as a cold number is to hit over the next series of spins. You can't exploit it.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 17, 10:57 PM 2018So they head in the right direction instead of wasting their time and money.
You should make a thread about what the "right direction" is then and we can all discuss it.
AP ? Bias wheels ? Computers ? VB ?
What's the "right way" according to you ?
Will you tell people that in order to win they have to bet on numbers that appear
above expected ? (which is playing hot numbers). No, even though that's the truth
and the only way for any system player to win - you would rather they avoid methods and systems all-together ?
I'm confused how anything I said is misleading yet all I've ever said is exactly what is required in order to win... it's strange.
You won't win playing cold numbers, that's just plain obvious.
You think it's "magic" to figure out what numbers will be hot ?
But then you laugh when I make it clear that hot numbers make themselves
obvious as the session plays out, and anyone can win on them....
It's strange how telling people how to win is misleading - when clearly there is only one way to win, unless it's with AP which not a soul on any forum cares about. (ok, one soul)
Perhaps I put it another way.
Try to produce these graphs playing random numbers of your choice.
Will you be able to produce similar results ? Ofc not.
What's the logic ?
As I said it's some voodooish distribution - remember the video TG posted ?
I have to take time to connect the dots. Too bad low IQ. :(
All that's happened is Turbo is chasing his losses with an up as you lose progression. He's been fooled into believing his method will work on a free mode site. Such sites have fooled many people over the years.
Use common sense Turbo. Do you really believe that the MPR is rigged to keep you from winning but that Parx is the real thing? Deep down do you really believe such nonsense? Look at how many people can easily win there. Bago, Fossel, Armitage, and you. Do you really thing that you stand a chance in hell running and winning using such progressions in a real game? ::)
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 11:06 PM 2018On an RNG/random wheel why should a hot number perform any better than a cold number???
You just want me to say it again for entertainment - so ok.
Because "random" has limits, and math beats a math game.
*sighs.
Banging one's head on the wall is more productive than replying to your posts.
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 11:10 PM 2018
All that's happened is Turbo is chasing his losses with an up as you lose progression. He's been fooled into believing his method will work on a free mode site. Such sites have fooled many people over the years.
Use common sense Turbo. Do you really believe that the MPR is rigged to keep you from winning but that Parx is the real thing? Deep down do you really believe such nonsense? Look at how many people can easily win there. Bago, Fossel, Armitage, and you. Do you really thing that you stand a chance in hell running such progressions in a real game? ::)
Correction - it's up as you win progression. :wink:
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 11:06 PM 2018
There's no logic there Turbo. On an RNG/random wheel why should a hot number perform any better than a cold number???
The answer is they don't! ::)
After a hot number has been observed, it's just as likely as a cold number is to hit over the next series of spins. You can't exploit it.
And here we go again...
Discussing the same TurboGenius bullshit.
Steve, you should create new rules to this forum. The psicho turbo is causing too much damage here.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 11:11 PM 2018
You just want me to say it again for entertainment - so ok.
Because "random" has limits, and math beats a math game.
*sighs.
Banging one's head on the wall is more productive than replying to your posts.
Good grief! You can't win using an up as you lose progression in the long run anymore than you can reach zero by dividing any whole number repeatedly by two. You're never due to win by exploiting random's limit! That's the gambler's fallacy!
Why is it that you system junkies can't look past the next spin or series of spins and comprehend the long term? ::)
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 11:10 PM 2018Bago, Fossel, Armitage, and you. Do you really thing that you stand a chance in hell running such progressions in a real game?
Yet you avoid to mention that I play this in AC, at Parx in PA and online now GN - it's nice to choose to avoid parts that don't fit your nonsense and just focus on the ones that you think do.
Hopeless.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 17, 11:12 PM 2018And here we go again...
Discussing the same TurboGenius bullshit.
Jesus Christ - how much money does someone need to send you to shut up ? lol
What's the "scammer code" ? It is 1k, 2k, 3K ?
Is there a point where you rip people off and then wander away - can we just skip to that part ? lol
Turbo,
Free mode isn't the real thing. Why do you think everyone can win like that?
The online casino has just done a fine job of fooling you. I've seen this several times over the years with the Martingale players. Do you really think Bago is winning by running your system too? LOL!!!
He's laughing his ass off because you believe it's the real thing. Wake up!
Look past the short term!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 17, 11:12 PM 2018
And here we go again...
Discussing the same TurboGenius bullshit.
Steve, you should create new rules to this forum. The psicho turbo is causing too much damage here.
Andre, trust me on this one. I don't think TG is spouting misleading nonsense now that I understand what he is on about.
He's talking about random distribution with
"expected distribution pattern".
That's hard to understand at first. But once you get your head around it you see the logic.
As I said, I haven't fully wrapped my head around this shit but I do get it enough to produce graphs above.
This is definitely frontier stuff. And that's what I'm on this forum for.
Quote from: cht on Jun 17, 11:21 PM 2018
Andre, trust me on this one. I don't think TG is spouting misleading nonsense now that I understand what he is on about.
He's talking about random distribution with "expected distribution pattern".
That's hard to understand at first. But once you get your head around it you see the logic.
As I said, I haven't fully wrapped my head around this shit but I do get it enough to produce graphs above.
This is definitely frontier stuff. And that's what I'm on this forum for.
The expected distribution pattern merely proves that there are one or two toO many numbers on the wheel so consequently you will lose. In order to exploit it and win there would need to be fewer numbers on the wheel. I'm shocked that people can't comprehend this!
Furthermore the distribution doesn't tell you which numbers will remain hot/cold and which ones won't. When you're playing in the real world you don't have the luxury of looking forwards and backwards in time like Notto does with his little simulation games.
Well, I'm done here...
I can't wait to see people complaining here after some months of wasted time and money.
Think about it, guys. There's no difference you betting 6 hot numbers or 6 random number unless it's a biased wheel. Try it for yourself.
The wheel don't give a crap about do you think.
If I were you I would ear the Steve advice.
Well, it's your time and money...
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 11:24 PM 2018
The expected distribution pattern merely proves that there are one or two toO many numbers on the wheel so consequently you will lose. In order to exploit it and win there would need to be fewer numbers on the wheel. I'm shocked that people can't comprehend this!
Furthermore the distribution doesn't tell you which numbers will remain hot/cold and which ones won't. When you're playing in the real world you don't have the luxury of looking forwards and backwards in time like Notto does with his little simulation games.
For everyone who tried this, this is the main issue.
It took me a while to get it which numbers may turn hot in the future. TG has laid it on a platter really.
Quote from: cht on Jun 17, 11:32 PM 2018
For everyone who tried this, this is the main issue.
It took me a while to get it which numbers may turn hot in the future. TG has laid it on a platter really.
Cht,
I hope that you're not that gullible and naive. ::)
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 11:34 PM 2018
Cht,
I hope that you're not that gullible and naive. ::)
Nope. I play real money in high roller room.
Just fascinated with TG ideas. It's not the typical system bet for sure.
Ofc until I get it cast-ironed I won't bet a dime on it yet.
Why would u get a hard time to place $25 bet in b$m on single number? Why u argue $250 is too broad? $25 done the work perfectly. I seen people put $2000 in one number. U know how?
Get $100 note and put through 20 machine each and high roller table also accept big bet on single number.
Quote from: cht on Jun 17, 11:36 PM 2018
Nope. I play real money in high roller room.
Just fascinated with TG ideas. It's not the typical system bet for sure.
Cht,
On an RNG/random game why would a hot number be any more likely to hit than a cold number if the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next? Do you really think what he's written is interesting? Tell me, is it because he says that "two is greater than one, and three is greater than two?" Is that what does it for ya? :twisted:
The method is very typical, old as the hills, and chasing hot numbers with an up as you lose progression is not original.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 17, 11:29 PM 2018
Well, I'm done here...
I can't wait to see people complaining here after some months of wasted time and money.
Think about it, guys. There's no difference you betting 6 hot numbers or 6 random number unless it's a biased wheel. Try it for yourself.
The wheel don't give a crap about do you think.
If I were you I would ear the Steve advice.
Well, it's your time and money...
There's nothing original about this method.
It's about betting on hot numbers and chasing the losses using a progression.
You betting on random numbers and chasing the losses will produce the same short term result.
The method is a loser...
I've had through there already.
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 11:39 PM 2018
Cht,
On an RNG/random game why would a hot number be any more likely to hit than a cold number if the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next? Do you really think what he's written is interesting? Tell me, is it because he says that "two is greater than one, and three is greater than two?" Is that what does it for ya? :twisted:
The method is very typical, old as the hills, and chasing hot numbers with an up as you lose progression is not original.
This is what he said.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 17, 10:51 PM 2018
There's only one option to win and that is to play a number (previously cold or otherwise) that while your playing will appear above average. This is a way to do it. It's not 100% of course but it works when it works. How anyone can argue with this basic explanation is beyond me.. but here we are. Here comes the spears and rocks. Ugh. Bedtime.
Like you and steve, I go WTF when I read that. Then I thought what if I tried it out. No harm right, only waste a few minutes of my time on RS.
I saw as it played out to understand what TG was on about his shit.
It is a
up as you win progression.
If there is anything misleading it's not about repeaters really. That's the misleading part, if any.
Anyway still early days that deserve time to thoroughly check this shit out.
Cht,
Can you answer the question: Why should a hot number be more likely to hit than a cold number on an RNG or random wheel?
Any idea? Magic maybe?
That's the one million question!
Nobody can answer that because it's no sense... There's no logic
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 11:52 PM 2018
Cht,
Can you answer the question: Why should a hot number be more likely to hit than a cold number on an RNG or random wheel?
Any idea? Magic maybe?
Good question. That's the disjoint of this to and fro banter.
Here's where the disconnect happen between you and steve on one side and TG.
That's not what TG is on about.
TG is talking about
playing numbers as they turn hot in the future spins during your playing sessions.
Magic ? Voodoo ?
You bet. :xd: :xd: :xd:
That's why I said he's onto frontier stuff that I've not seen anyone dare venture into.
As a result TG gets so much flak doing it.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 17, 11:57 PM 2018
That's the one million question!
Nobody can answer that because it's no sense... There's no logic
Exactly!
Quote from: cht on Jun 18, 12:00 AM 2018
Good question. That's the disjoint of this to and fro banter.
Here's is where the disconnect happen between you and steve on one side and TG.
That's not what TG is on about.
TG is talking about playing numbers as they turn hot in the future spins during your playing sessions.
Magic ? Voodoo ?
You bet. :xd: :xd: :xd:
Cht,
You can't tell which number will remain hot and which ones will turn cold until after it's happened. Again, you don't have the luxury of going forwards and backwards in time! ::)
Again, the question...
why should a hot number be more likely to hit than a cold number on an RNG or random wheel?
Quote from: The General on Jun 17, 11:52 PM 2018
Cht,
Can you answer the question: Why should a hot number be more likely to hit than a cold number on an RNG or random wheel?
Any idea? Magic maybe?
Its more likely bcz of the nature of randomness which dictates in a given number of spin some number will show biasness and later it will fixed and replaced by other.
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 12:02 AM 2018
Again, the question...why should a hot number be more likely to hit than a cold number on an RNG or random wheel?
You can keep asking this disjointed question all day long. There is no relevance to what TG propounds.
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 12:02 AM 2018
Cht,
You can't tell which number will remain hot and which ones will turn cold until after it's happened. Again, you don't have the luxury of going forwards and backwards in time! ::)
I don't have to go backwards in time. I just need to be in the present see what my session has done when I start, that's all I need to know.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 12:05 AM 2018
Its more likely bcz of the nature of randomness which dictates in a given number of spin some number will show biasness and later it will fixed and replaced by other.
Exactly Madi. You are on the right track. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 12:05 AM 2018
Its more likely bcz of the nature of randomness which dictates in a given number of spin some number will show biasness and later it will fixed and replaced by other.
Perhaps you cant state this nature and provide the supporting math? ::)
How does this nature change the number of pockets that remain on the wheel from one spin to the next?
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 12:02 AM 2018
Again, the question...why should a hot number be more likely to hit than a cold number on an RNG or random wheel?
A hot number is not more likely. It could be any number to get hot. And which one shows a tiny possibility we ll go for that.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 12:08 AM 2018
A hot number is not more likely. It could be any number to get hot. And which one shows a tiny possibility we ll go for that.
You are definitely on the right track. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 12:05 AM 2018Its more likely bcz of the nature of randomness which dictates in a given number of spin some number will show biasness and later it will fixed and replaced by other.
That's exactly like saying after 10 spins, sometimes there will be more reds than blacks. Duh. You cant use that.
Quote from: cht on Jun 18, 12:10 AM 2018You are definitely on the right track.
All you have is a theory you believe in, with no actual evidence. You are going to find out eventually.
Turbo is claiming to predict hot numbers before they are hot, based on previous spins when previous spins have no correlation to future spins. I'd say wake up, you're deluded right now. But you'll just need to find out for yourself.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 12:24 AM 2018
That's exactly like saying after 10 spins, sometimes there will be more reds than blacks. Duh. You cant use that.
All you have is a theory you believe in, with no actual evidence. You are going to find out eventually.
Turbo is claiming to predict hot numbers before they are hot, based on previous spins when previous spins have no correlation to future spins. I'd say wake up, you're deluded right now. But you'll just need to find out for yourself.
At least now General and you properly understand TG. Pls less nonsensical disjointed banter.
If I am not wrong, he can't predict all the future hot numbers. Just enough to profit from. :)
Ofc I will eventually find out. That is with evidence of tests conducted.
You can continue do the name calling here. No more response from here.
When I completed enough sample test I will post here the results. Based on how I apply TG's idea.
The real problem is I don't have the time to conduct the extensive tests. :-[
CHT
On the other thread you were complaining that players did not share their strategies.
You said that there is no problem in share the strategies with other players. So why don't you make a step by step explaining how to bet the TG strategy? Have you changed your mind and now you do not want to share the strategy any more? Now you've found HG you will do the same sick game that TG does?
Quote from: cht on Jun 18, 12:31 AM 2018The real problem is I don't have the time to conduct the extensive tests.
You know I've already given free software and instructions to prove turbo;s theories nonsense. But thats ok if you don't have time. Get right into betting real money. You are so sure Turbo has the secret, and it works. You just dont know how... yet. I cant argue with that solid logic.
So all you need is a can-do attitude and discipline :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Jun 18, 12:31 AM 2018
At least now General and you properly understand TG. Pls less nonsensical disjointed banter.
If I am not wrong, he can't predict all the future hot numbers. Just enough to profit from. :)
Ofc I will eventually find out. That is with evidence of tests conducted.
You can continue do the name calling here. No more response from here.
When I completed enough sample test I will post here the results. Based on how I apply TG's idea.
The real problem is I don't have the time to conduct the extensive tests. :-[
There's no reason to run simulations on it unless you really suck at math.
The facts as they are for the random game and rng game.
1. There's 38 pockets on the wheel
2. The payout is short at 35 to 1.
3. The same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next. Therefore the odds of winning don't change at each spin.
4. Each spin is an independent trial with no connection to the past.
5. The long term expectation is negative, regardless of the amount bet at each spin.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 18, 12:32 AM 2018So why don't you make a step by step explaining how to bet the TG strategy?
Because he doesnt know what it is yet. But it works. The rest of us "naysayers" just don't know better. All that's left for CHT's millions is figuring out the system.
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 12:37 AM 2018
There's no reason to run simulations on it unless you really suck at math.
The facts as they are for the random game and rng game.
1. There's 38 pockets on the wheel
2. The payout is short at 35 to 1.
3. The same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next. Therefore the odds of winning don't change at each spin.
4. Each spin is an independent trial with no connection to the past.
5. The long term expectation is negative, regardless of the amount bet at each spin.
Yeah all the turbofans know that. But turbo has the secret. Its so obvious you'll be kicking yourself. Turbo laid it out on a silver platter. They just need to figure out what the system is.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 18, 12:32 AM 2018
CHT
On the other thread you were complaining that players did not share their strategies.
You said that there is no problem in share the strategies eith other players.
Yes, this is my personal stand on the matter.
So why don't you make a step by step explaining how to bet the TG strategy? Have you changed your mind and now you do not want to share the strategy any more? Now you've found HG you will do the same sick game that TG does?
Nope I have not changed my mind.
Ofc I saw this coming. :xd:
This involves TG's ideas. He made the call. I respect proprietary rights. You have to change his mind.
As to your reference to HG, at this point in time, I won't call it HG.
Fact is I won't bet a dime until I have this thoroughly tested.
I am certain I am not there yet. I can see the flaws that I have to solve as the sessions play out.
Man, i've only been sleeping for a missirable 5 hours and what do i See when i Wake up? 5 more pages added to this thread :yawn:
Well, the same bullshit here... Now from CHT doing the same sick game as TG does.
We have 3 now: TG, Passionruleta and CHT
Quote from: Steve on Jun 17, 09:49 PM 2018
The Turbo circus is going in circles because when Turbo is cornered, his answers are vague and evasive. Here I'll summarize everything:
Steve, is this the beginning of a new book by you? Man you really should get a Life :thumbsup: isn't it better to Just remove this thread, this is goin' nowhere anymore.
1. Turbo was winning on MPR (rouletteplayers.org), but eventually he started to lose. Then he started playing at Parxonline, a different free roulette site. Initially he didn’t give reasons for changing.
2. He ranked high on the Parx leaderboard, and started bragging that he had the HG. He started various threads preaching.
3. The more experienced members highlighted the faults in his logic, to which he responded with vague claims. He is allowed to keep secrets. The problem is what he did release was incorrect. More about this is explained below. But basically Turbo has made many contradictory and inaccurate statements about roulette, math and gambling in general.
4. Eventually Turbo lost all his winnings at Parx. He claimed he did it intentionally, to prove that he could.
5. Parxonline is not a realistic roulette simulator, and its math makes it possible for anyone to rank high even with a bad system. Here's how it's done:
Each day you login consecutively (without missing days), you can an increasingly large daily login bonus. After many days, you get the maximum daily bonus of is $3000/day.
Ultimately to rank high, the player needs to log in every day for the maximum bonus. Then you'll have a larger bankroll than other players. So you can bet higher, win more, and then rank higher on the leaderboard.
And if you rank high on the leaderboard, you get huge amounts of bonus money (around $100,000).
Additionally, the betting limits are very broad and unrealistic. This means you can use a progression that rarely loses.
So ultimately anyone can rank high in Parx. All it takes is:
- Logging in every day to get the maximum bonus, so you can out-bet other players.
- Taking advantage of the broad and unrealistic betting limits. So a progression allows you to keep winning for longer than real casino roulette.
- Playing often, but not too much. Playing too much will eventually make you lose, as he found. You need only play just enough to out-rank other players, without blowing your bankroll. Then you get another huge bonus and repeat the cycle.
6. Next Turbo moved to RS, another online roulette game. One obvious flaw in the game is it also has very broad table betting limits. Real casinos don’t use such limits because it would be too easy for players to win large amounts.
Additionally, RS video-records your sessions. You can make the video recordings public or private. Turbo made his private, but of course the game admin can easily see the recordings.
The RS game shows bankroll trend. Turbo said his system uses "aggressive progression". If this was the case, there would be clearly pronounced ups and downs in his bankroll trend. But instead we see a gradual increase. This clearly shows his progression is mild. It appears clearly his progression aims to increase his bankroll before the start of a betting cycle, then reset. This is the best way to exploit broad and unrealistic table limits.
TURBO'S CLAIMS
* When forced to admin Parx was not a realistic simulator, he claimed it was "fair because anyone could get the same bonuses if they wanted". But he neglects the fact most people don’t religiously login every day for the maximum bonus. Now again he claims Parx and RS are realistic simulators.
* Turbo had two accounts at MPR - he said one for serious play, and the other for testing. Both accounts had an overall LOSS. He claims his serious account (where he played thousands of spins) never used his best system.
* He claims he beats any game and "never loses" provided the results are RANDOM.
The problem with this is random means 1 in 37 accuracy. It means there is no pattern, past spins are meaningless and have no relation to future spins. So his and any method of bet selection is useless. And in such a case, you cant sustain winnings because the payout (35-1) will always be unfair. In other words, his bet selection will win 1 in 37 times with each independent bet, but he'll only be paid 35-1.
Basically he is saying he wins, only when spins are completely unpredictable. And that he uses past spins (hot numbers) to predict the future spins.
Even his claim alone that he "never loses" is a serious red flag.
* When asked why he avoided MPR, he eventually gave the excuse that he was worried I would steal his system. Problems with this claim are:
- He played RS instead, where the admin video-records his sessions (an even greater risk)
- All MPR does is log wins and payouts, to check for bugs. Every casino does this, but as far as i know only RS video-records sessions.... not a great place to play for someone trying to keep his system secret.
* Turbo still denies Parx and RS are in any way unrealistic simulators - even despite the betting limits no real casino has. He claims they are more realistic than MPR, where the win rate for all players combined is almost exactly what we expect with a house edge of -2.7%. Seems pretty realistic to me.
* Turbo's latest excuses for avoiding MPR is that he claims it has "bugs". The bugs he's referring to are minor and insignificant, such as sometimes spins will appear faster than every 30 seconds. He never complained about such an issue when he was winning on MPR. But now he uses this as an excuse to avoid MPR.
Another of his excuses for avoiding MPR is that it is "less realistic thab Parx and RS". Proof this is nonsense is before the recently leaderboard reset on MPR, we can combine the overall results from all players and see the house edge is -2.7%, just as it is in a real casino.
But on Parx, there are regularly players who win millions. Usually the slot machine players win the most. Turbo's reasoning is that the betting limits are higher for slot machines. But Turbo contradicted himself by claiming table limits were irrelevant, and that a system will either win or lose.
* Turbo contradicted himself and claimed his system greatly increases the player's edge because out of 37 spins, he knows only about 24 separate numbers will spin. But this cannot at all increase the player's edge because you don’t know what number appeared until it appeared. And once it has appeared, there's still a 1 in 37 chance it will appear again. Remember he said he needs "random" (1 in 37) to win.
* Turbo says his system is based on "hot numbers". He eventually changed his explanations to claiming he bet on the hot numbers before they appeared. This is not possible because in a random game, the previous spins have no connection to future spins.
*Turbo published an old black and white video claiming it held the secrets. But it actually contains only basic probability.
* Turbo claims "math beats a math game". But the math of random is you cannot change the odds, no matter what you do. Random means random. If you cant change the odds of 1 in 37, then you've changed nothing. Multiple bets are not in any way connected - they're just a bunch of independent bets, each with set odds and payouts.
* Turbo claimed a wheel bias player would make the same bets as him. He later changed his mind.
* Turbo claims I'm just discrediting his system only because I want to sell roulette computers, and that I claim roulette computers is the only way to beat roulette. This is false. I never said computers are the only way. In fact I've explained other ways, and just explained you can only win by changing the odds to be better than random. But it isnt possible in a random game. My comments about Turbo's system have nothing to do with my technology. 99.999% of professionals who understand why "repeaters systems" don't work have nothing to do with roulette computers. That's why casinos freely give you data on "hot numbers" - because countless professionals have tested exhaustively and know hot or cold numbers are meaningless. The display of hit numbers preys on gullible and inexperienced players. Turbo is just finding a convenient excuse and distracting from the logic presented. Turbo's "proof" of his claims are tests on rigged games, and Roulette Xtreme charts with very few spins.
* Turbo says his system "never loses". When asked why he isnt out making millions, he said its because money doesn't motivate him. So instead of spends all this time playing to win "fun money" on unrealistic games like Parx and RS. MPR is far more realistic.
* Another of Turbo's apparent reasons for avoiding MPR is he doesn't trust the spins. The spins are from real wheels, at least 300 consecutive spins from a wheel, before the spin database uses spins from another wheel. He says even if the spins are random, you cant stitch spins from wheels together because "random and random is not random". I disagree, because 1 in 37 is 1 in 37 no matter how you look at it. It's just another of Turbo's excuses for avoiding MPR. To prove I didnt rig spins, I published the spin database in an encrypted file, and released the password after all spins were complete. So anyone could verify the game is fair, and doesn't deliberately make players lose. It works the same way as real roulette with the house edge.
* I asked him if he'd play on MPR if we obtained the spins from random.org, but he refused, again falsely claiming the insignificant MPR "bugs" would make him lose.
* When I and other members explained why his approach wont work, we provided examples, the math, and even software with testing procedures to verify Turbo's approach cannot work on a realistic roulette game. Most notably, even after a number has spun 1,2,3,4 or however many times in however many spins, this number is no more likely to spin next or anytime soon than any other number. In other words, it's still 1 in 37. This is something anyone can easily test with softwarer I supplied, or other software.
If you believe Turbo's logic, 10 reds in a row changes the odds of red spinning again sometime soon. But any experienced or educated person knows this to be false.
* Turbo says to ignore people saying it's "gamblers fallacy", and that the term is actually a conspiracy to stop players from finding methods that work…. like "repeaters".
* Turbo says "random has limits". He referred to things like a number sleeping no more than a maximum number of spins. But this is just not true. Random has no limits, just like numbers have no limits.
* Turbo has said himself he is a "sociopath". This includes:
Compulsive lying
Narcissism (The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder include: grandiose sense of importance, preoccupation with unlimited success, belief that one is special and unique, exploitative of others, lack of empathy, arrogance, and jealousy of others.)
Manipulation (Naturally, a sociopath is going to attempt to play puppet master with the people in their lives. This is likely when many people realize they’re dealing with a sociopath; when it becomes clear that the individual in question is trying to pull the strings and manipulate those around them to get what they want. Again, they think they’ll get away with it due to their narcissism, and don’t care about the consequences.)
While this doesn't address the logic of his "never lose system", it does explain his motives. Simply he appears to get off on the attention.
Did I miss anything? I'm sure there's lots. I've just taken the time to summarize it to help prevent going in circles. We can refer back to this post to save everyone time.
Ultimately every now and then, a new self-professed guru comes along and misleads people. The experienced members quickly expose them. But the less experienced members (followers) win a few times with the guru's advice, and fight to defend their guru. Then a lot of repetitive arguments occur. The experienced players know the logic and faults, and the inexperienced members keep fighting because they don’t know better. The sociopath enjoys the attention.
Eventually the followers, maybe a year later, realize the self-professed guru misled them. If the followers only tested properly, their loss of time and money could have been avoided.
The cycle repeats again with a different self-professed guru. Often it is the same person using a different username. A prime example is Charles Edward Hampshire. When I asked him privately why he misled people, he claimed it was because he "liked to make people think". In his mind, he was benefiting people. In reality, he was deluded and misleading people.
These "gurus" never come out and admit to lying. Why would they? They keep going around and around saying the same rubbish. So it is up to people to wake up. Don't be the fool and puppet.
And the reason the forum becomes degraded is because the "followers" are too stupid and inexperienced to see they're being led on. They do not understand the bad logic and contradictions of the guru. They dont understand the proper testing procedures and correct logic of experienced members, so followers just assume there is a conspiracy to stop the guru's HG.
Steve isn't it better to remove this thread ? This is goin' nowhere anymore. And while you're add it, Just remove the entire Forum and start a new one. Me and my Roulette Computer friends!
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 18, 12:58 AM 2018Steve isn't it better to remove this thread ? This is goin' nowhere anymore. And while you're add it, Just remove the entire Forum and start a new one. Me and my Roulette Computer friends!
That reply is the best you can do? I suppose you cant come up with any logic proving turbo's theories. Its your money jek :thumbsup:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 18, 12:52 AM 2018
Well, the same bullshit here... Now from CHT doing the same sick game as TG does.
We have 3 now: TG, Passionruleta and CHT
Ouch it hurts !
I feel your frustration. 😂
Gambling money is pocket change for me.
TG spelt out his stand clearly.
If I did it to you, I am sure you will be lamblasting me.
Ofc if I reveal it to someone so that he can do the laborious test, won't I gain from that ? It cost me nothing to do that.
Respect proprietary rights.
Think about that, Andre.
And truth be told, I won't do any further test for a long time. I don't have the time. :o
Quote from: cht on Jun 18, 01:16 AM 2018
Ouch it hurts !
I feel your frustration. 😂
Gambling money is pocket change for me.
TG spelt out his stand clearly.
If I did it to you, I am sure you will be lamblasting me.
Ofc if I reveal it to someone so that he can do the laborious test, won't I gain from that ? It cost me nothing to do that.
Respect proprietary rights.
Think about that, Andre.
And truth be told, I won't do any further test for a long time. I don't have the time. :o
Cht,
Are you in the US?
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 12:37 AM 2018
1. There's 38 pockets on the wheel
2. The payout is short at 35 to 1.
3. The same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next. Therefore the odds of winning don't change at each spin.
4. Each spin is an independent trial with no connection to the past.
5. The long term expectation is negative, regardless of the amount bet at each spin.
Considering this
I bet on number 5 $20. ( 1/37 and it can hit any time between 1 and 37. Lets assume i get a hit on 20th spin.
Bet on same number $5 and keep going. U passed next 37 spin shorter payout , pocket same. Got a hit on 40th spin . Win . Does the shorter payout pocket bothering me . It should hit earlier (1/37)
Can u show us using math that my number will not show up in next 30 spin.??
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 01:20 AM 2018
Cht,
Are you in the US?
I'll be in US later next month.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 01:21 AM 2018
Considering this
I bet on number 5 $20. ( 1/37 and it can hit any time between 1 and 37. Lets assume i get a hit on 20th spin.
Bet on same number $5 and keep going. U passed next 37 spin shorter payout , pocket same. Got a hit on 40th spin . Win . Does the shorter payout pocket bothering me . It should hit earlier (1/37)
Can u show us using math that my number will not show up in next 30 spin.??
Yes, there are 38 pockets, and you're only betting on one of them. Your number could easily go several hundred spins without hitting because of variance.
Since the long term expectation is -5.26% can you point to a betting amount that will turn that into a positive value?
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 01:21 AM 2018I bet on number 5 $20. ( 1/37 and it can hit any time between 1 and 37
What if it doesnt hit for 200 or more spins? Hmm.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 01:21 AM 2018Bet on same number $5 and keep going. U passed next 37 spin shorter payout , pocket same. Got a hit on 40th spin . Win . Does the shorter payout pocket bothering me . It should hit earlier (1/37)
It should hit earlier? Why?
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 01:21 AM 2018Can u show us using math that my number will not show up in next 30 spin.??
Yes. There are 37 pockets on the eu wheel. That means you can expect to AVERAGE 1 win per 37 spins.
But anytime you do win, you are paid just 35-1.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 01:27 AM 2018
What if it doesnt hit for 200 or more spins? Hmm.
It should hit earlier? Why?
Yes. There are 37 pockets on the eu wheel. That means you can expect to AVERAGE 1 win per 37 spins.
But anytime you do win, you are paid just 35-1.
The math say 1/37. How come it wont show up 200 spin. Just for u it wont hit exactly at 37 th spin everytime
Quote from: cht on Jun 18, 01:16 AM 2018
Ouch it hurts !
I feel your frustration. 😂
Gambling money is pocket change for me.
TG spelt out his stand clearly.
If I did it to you, I am sure you will be lamblasting me.
Ofc if I reveal it to someone so that he can do the laborious test, won't I gain from that ? It cost me nothing to do that.
Respect proprietary rights.
Think about that, Andre.
And truth be told, I won't do any further test for a long time. I don't have the time. :o
I do not have the least interest in
the strategy because I know it does not work. I have my own strategy to play roulette and Bacarrat.
What I'm saying is that we now have 3 guys to fool players in this forum. And those three guys are you, TG and Passionruleta.
The people here are tired of this shit. They are tired to ask and do not get a clear answer. Like I said before to TG, if you do not want to reveal the strategy then stop playing funny games ... get out and make millions.
Keep that shit to yourself
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 01:31 AM 2018The math say 1/37. How come it wont show up 200 spin. Just for u it wont hit exactly at 37 th spin everytime
Simple variance. It's really basic statistics.
QuoteCan u show us using math that my number will not show up in next 30 spin.??
Madi,
There are 38 pockets on the double zero wheel that Turbo plays. So the probability of winning is only 1/38
The probability of your number hitting in 30 spins is (1/38)^30 = .5866276769 or about a 58.77% chance of winning and a 41.23% chance of losing.
At no point do you ever become certain to win, even if you're number hasn't shown for 400 spins.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 18, 01:31 AM 2018
I do not have the least interest in
the strategy because I know it does not work. I have my own strategy to play roulette and Bacarrat.
What I'm saying is that we now have 3 guys to fool players in this forum. And those three guys are you, TG and Passionruleta.
The people here are tired of this shit. They are tired to ask and do not get a clear answer. Like I said before to TG, if you do not want to reveal the strategy then stop playing funny games ... get out and make millions.
Keep that shit to yourself
Oozing more frustration. :xd: :xd: :xd:
Seems like gambling money is very important to you. Oh you are a full time gambler. :thumbsup:
If I don't get it I may say the same
"Keep that shit to yourself".
But I do get a little of it. If TG
"Kept that shit to himself", I will never get it.
Depends on whether anyone gets it or not results in how he makes his post. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ok I am out of here.
Our frustration is one that everyone feels when they argue with people that believe the earth is flat.
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In this case, Turbo is the guy trying to launch himself into the sky to find proof.
Yo. I got a simple method on the splits flat bet that beat a million spins before roulettesimulator.info stolen it. And its been further tested in here for another hundred thousand by a dude here. however it has long downswings.anyone wna hook me 500 au dollar ill tell u the method. Super simple... only problem is it can hover for thousands of spins... Either way I don't care but I also need to test somthing else further. I said before after it beat a million I emailed roulette SIM.info and he didn't email back just scrambled his tester so it hasn't worked again since a memeber here did a rx test for me so its his now for doing the test. Also since the turbo face already can beat it email me if ur interest to test something else for me that also wins long term. If turbo man has rx or other if the original tester man is waiting to fix his rx pm me and express interest in giving me all the details all I heard last time was it passed 100.000 at +7000 one unit bets so hopefully dats the truth.cheers lad
QuoteYo. I got a simple method on the splits flat bet that beat a million spins before roulettesimulator.info stolen it. And its been further tested in here for another hundred thousand by a dude here. however it has long downswings.anyone wna hook me 500 au dollar ill tell u the method. Super simple... only problem is it can hover for thousands of spins... Either way I don't care but I also need to test somthing else further. I said before after it beat a million I emailed roulette SIM.info and he didn't email back just scrambled his tester so it hasn't worked again since a memeber here did a rx test for me so its his now for doing the test. Also since the turbo face already can beat it email me if ur interest to test something else for me that also wins long term. If turbo man has rx or other if the original tester man is waiting to fix his rx pm me and express interest in giving me all the details all I heard last time was it passed 100.000 at +7000 one unit bets so hopefully dats the truth.cheers lad
Yo, sure ding. I get right on dat fo U.
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Jus let me get da ride movin furst! cheers lad
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 01:40 AM 2018
Madi,
There are 38 pockets on the double zero wheel that Turbo plays. So the probability of winning is only 1/38
The probability of your number hitting in 30 spins is (1/38)^30 = .5866276769 or about a 58.77% chance of winning and a 41.23% chance of losing.
At no point do you ever become certain to win, even if you're number hasn't shown for 400 spins.
Thats just a probability not something exact. It could be or couldnt be. Still its a guess. I would say my number will hit in the first spin everytime i would go to play crushing this calc. Can u deny using math?
Madi just go win your millions. Don't argue, just do it.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 02:03 AM 2018
Thats just a probability not something exact. It could be or couldnt be. Still its a guess. I would say my number will hit in the first spin everytime i would go to play crushing this calc. Can u deny using math?
I don't know what your question is, and it appears that you don't know what it is either.
Try rephrasing your question and asking it again.
Disregard my last message I can't beat the game my testing is still going forget what I said hahahah
Disregard roulette is impossible and I'm doing further tests
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 01:36 AM 2018
Simple variance. It's really basic statistics.
Dont just say basic statistics. Show us math.
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 02:08 AM 2018
I don't know what your question is, and it appears that you don't know what it is either.
Try rephrasing your question and asking it again.
That probabilty u calculated is still a guessing.still its a chance. It can go exactly opposite that u have calculated
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 02:07 AM 2018
Madi just go win your millions. Don't argue, just do it.
No steve. Lead us. Show us how a number can go missing 200spin. 1/37 pure math. Throw the formula
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 02:12 AM 2018
Dont just say basic statistics. Show us math.
This is the visual of the
math of variance. No way it is basic statistics. Lol :lol: :lol: :lol:
This time I'm really out of here.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 02:12 AM 2018
Dont just say basic statistics. Show us math.
Every chance of a number is 1/37. The chance of of another number is 1 in 37^2, then another is 1 in 37^3 and so on.
After 1 spin, the chance of that same number REPEATING is 1 in 37.
Say then you have two different numbers that have spun so far. Then the odds of one of those numbers repeating is 2/37.
As time goes by, the odds are some numbers are going to repeat. But whoopie, because the odds of any number spinning next is still 1 in 37. But the payout is still 35-1 which is not enough to cover your losses.
Really complicated stuff.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 02:16 AM 2018That probabilty u calculated is still a guessing.still its a chance. It can go exactly opposite that u have calculated
Sure you can win or lose. But if your bet selection is useless, you will average 1 in 37 which is not good enough.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 02:30 AM 2018
After 1 spin, the chance of that same number REPEATING is 1 in 37.
Exactly . I m saying the same thing. I will get my number between 1 to 37. If i get in 37th spin i will get a marti. Definitely it wont come at 37th spin in next cycle for u. Where the 200 is coming from
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 02:21 AM 2018No steve. Lead us. Show us how a number can go missing 200 spin. 1/37 pure math. Throw the formula
I already gave the math. You just need to repeat it over 200 spins to find the exact probability. But you don't need an equation. Just test on RX and you'll find the more spins you test, the more likely that you'll see a higher gap. There is no limit.
What you dont understand is even after 500 "no hits", the odds of that number spinning next are ...... still 1 in 37.
Prove it this way. Check spins where you see RRRRRRR.... and then see how many times R or B spins next. It's still the same. Even if you find RRRRRRRRRRRRR. The same principle applies to 37 numbers.
These principles are well-known throughout the professional gaming community. If you want to know more, try a math forum, or school.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 02:39 AM 2018Exactly . I m saying the same thing. I will get my number between 1 to 37. If i get in 37th spin i will get a marti. Definitely it wont come at 37th spin in next cycle for u. Where the 200 is coming from
What? No. There's no knowing when you will get your number. Eventually you probably will, but you are still stuck with average 1 in 37 hit.
Why are you limiting to 200? There is no such limit. Simply the more spins you witness, the greater the probability of longer streaks for cold numbers.
But you're still not getting is none of that matters, because you're still stuck at 1 in 37.
This is really old news. It's ancient. You must think casino mathematicians are dumb.
This might help. If its too much, remember you are stuck at 1 in 37 and eventual loss, unless you somehow predict winning numbers with better than random accuracy.
Steve steve steve. U just showed me a martiangle. Feel sad
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 02:42 AM 2018
Eventually you probably will, but you are still stuck with average 1 in 37 hit.
Why are you limiting to 200? There is no such limit. Simply the more spins you witness, the greater the probability of longer streaks for cold numbers.
But you're still not getting is none of that matters, because you're still stuck at 1 in 37.
May be that 200 spin thing is observational. Nothing related to 1/37. What do u think? No pure math
You asked for repeaters odds. Thats what i gave you. Not my problem if you still don't understand.
when are guys just going to win your millions? Why haven't you yet?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 03:05 AM 2018
You asked for repeaters odds. Thats what i gave you. Not my problem if you still don't understand.
Ye sure. Not a big issue
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 03:09 AM 2018
when are guys just going to win your millions? Why haven't you yet?
Camon it needs bit of time. Dont worry i might donate some to fix ur mpr
It isnt a bug, looks like server was just overloaded because it also runs other apps. Seems fine now, so you can show everyone how to win.
Turbo, steve, andre, ignatus, notto, 6thsense, tuner etc:
you need to realize that there is no system out there to "beat" online casino games to make a living playing them. You will never be able to be a professional slots player or a professional roulette player or anything like that. Ultimately, the casino edge and statistics are going to prevail, and the casino is going to win. Understanding this is imperative to have a great time playing these games online.
So i suggest steve to shutdown this forum and find a useful hobby or activity instead!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 18, 06:20 AM 2018So i suggest steve to shutdown this forum and find a useful hobby or activity instead!
Bowling?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 06:26 AM 2018So i suggest steve to shutdown this forum and find a useful hobby or activity instead!
why not!
at least bowling gonna make you happy !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 18, 06:28 AM 2018why not!
The shoes are a bit gay.
And i am happy with roulette. The only part i dont like is sometimes working European hours.
Try starting with a free vb course. Its really not hard to beat roulette unless you go about it all wrong.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 06:36 AM 2018Try starting with a free vb course. Its really not hard to beat roulette unless you go about it all wrong.
Steve,
You are not winning !
if you are a winner you wouldn't waste your time here!
I waste my time here because:
1. I enjoy it.
2. I want to help people.
If it werent for that, id let the forum run without much input. Im a member here too, not just admin.
Dont assume because you lose that others lose too. Just start on vb. Really its not hard youll see.
And you really have no idea how easily i win. I watch live video of my players in the casino almost every day. We beat almost every wheel no problem, usually minimum 20% edge. I can sit at home in pyjamas and win. Really not exaggerating.
You don't need to go that far. Just start small and learn vb.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 18, 12:50 AM 2018Man, i've only been sleeping for a missirable 5 hours and what do i See when i Wake up? 5 more pages added to this thread
I was thinking the exact same thing.
I opened the page thinking the conversation had gone somewhere but no.
1 in 37 !!!!!!!!!
35 to 1 !!!!!!!!!
You can only win by predicting numbers that appear above expected.... (but)
hot number methods are nonsense.
Ugh. FFS
And I read all that (well, speed reading) while having my morning smoke.
I like how Andre the scammer just repeats whatever Steve and General say now.
General keeps repeating how many pockets are on the wheel (irrelevant)
Maybe Steve can write the forward in my book. I'd be honored.
It might be one big disclaimer how everything in this book is misleading and
that the reader should NOT rely on a single thing said as evidence of anything lol.
Remember folks - you can only win by playing hot numbers, and hot number methods are a waste of time. Damn, I still need a good title.
Goodmorning turbo.
You're full of shit.
Lol... andre the scammer !
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 07:19 AM 2018
Goodmorning turbo.
You're full of shit.
What kind of shit ?
Dealers shit or bull/ cow shit ?
Be specific!
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 07:19 AM 2018Goodmorning turbo.
You're full of shit.
That might be the PERFECT title !!!!!!!
I'm writing it down as a potential.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 07:19 AM 2018
Goodmorning turbo.
You're full of shit.
Have ur dinner steve. Go for a sound sleep. We will fight tomorrow.enough for one day.
I think turbo , general all become nocturnal. To much pressure. God
Write your book turbo. Smarter readers see through you. Just a lonely guy lying for attention. Not something to be proud of.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 07:29 AM 2018
Have ur dinner steve. Go for a sound sleep. We will fight tomorrow.enough for one day.
I think turbo , general all become nocturnal. To much pressure. God
Fight by yourself, I have better things to do. Refer to my longer post. Too bad for you if you still dont understand, youre a pawn of a sociopath.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 07:37 AM 2018
Write your book turbo. Smarter readers see through you. Just a lonely guy lying for attention. Not something to be proud of.
It would be the best thing every happend to this Forum, if Turbo writes his own book in explaining how it all really works. And Trust me somehow i think you are also gonna Read it, because that's the kind of person you are. Turbo, it's also ok if you would release it Just in PDF style :smile:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 18, 06:43 AM 2018
Steve,
You are not winning !
if you are a winner you wouldn't waste your time here!
Exactly
Let's be honest. No one here owns the HG. If I had the HG I would be enjoying life ... Women, cars, trips, mansions, yachts. I would not be here in this forum. I'd say goodbye and enjoy life.
I know how to win but is a grinder and I'm not sure for how long it will last. If I'm lucky or my strategies really work.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 18, 08:46 AM 2018
It would be the best thing every happend to this Forum, if Turbo writes his own book in explaining how it all really works. And Trust me somehow i think you are also gonna Read it, because that's the kind of person you are. Turbo, it's also ok if you would release it Just in PDF style :smile:
Paper is better...
The book would clean my ass.
Every number has 1/38 to hit,
As long as the wheel quite balanced, not heavily tilted,
thus, in long spin, say 3800spins,
mathwise, every number will hit 100times.
But reality, is a few numbers will hit more than 100hits,
a large number will hit around 100 hits,
and a few numbers will less than 100hits.
So after a few hundreds spins, if few number sleeps, they will adhered to probability, and eventually, will hit, more than 100hits, around 100hits, or a little less than 100hits.
Turbo said, 6 cold numbers, and not all 6numbers will stay cold, mathwise, 1 or two of the 6,
will hit more than 100hits toward the 3800th spin , 1 or 2 will hit around 100hit, and 1 or 2 will stay cold, but not ALL SIX, will stay cold, mathwise.
Thus,
Turbo wait for 6 coldest numbers, (after a certain hundreds spinth,)
and bet that 6 cold numbers, confidently, mathwise, 1 or 2 of that numbers, will hit more than 100hits toward , the 3800th spin, or RTM, (regression toward means, after long spins numbers, which cant refute by the mathboys, )
1 or 2 will hit around 100hits, and 1 or 2 will hit way below 100hits....
that the risk, that Turbo takes, and mathwise, the probability, all six numbers wont RTM, (stay cold),
will be very low, and Turbo up progression as the number hit, will create higher chance of profit.
Mathwise, or probabilty dictate that, after very long spins,
(Since we talk about straight numbers, thus 38numbers times 100=3800spins)
THEN, at the 38000th spin,
All 38 numbers,
red/black, h/l, dozen, streets , DD, COLUMN, etc, will RTM, with small% of deviance.
Rng, being programmed to be as "balanced" as well!
Thus, too, will RTM .!
Quote from: SWEET on Jun 18, 09:30 AM 2018
Thus,
Turbo wait for 6 coldest numbers, (after a certain hundreds spinth,)
and bet that 6 cold numbers, confidently, mathwise, 1 or 2 of that numbers, will hit more than 100hits toward , the 3800th spin, or RTM, (regression toward means, after long spins numbers, which cant refute by the mathboys, )
1 or 2 will hit around 100hits, and 1 or 2 will hit way below 100hits....
that the risk, that Turbo takes, and mathwise, the probability, all six numbers wont RTM, (stay cold),
will be very low, and Turbo up progression as the number hit, will create higher chance of profit.
Just to be clear, Turbo used this as An example, nothing more, nothing less.
Why everytime Turbo is trying to explain something you All think that this is how he is playing?
Again, he is Just trying to teach us (not the naysayers ofcourse) something, don't take it all literally! :yawn:
Thanks Jekhb,
I just try to explain, why cold numbers will become hot numbers,
This is caused by the effect of RTM and probabity, where every numbers has even chance of hit, but random caused some to hit more or less,....
Turbo said said something about 6cold, and the high probability, 1 or 2 of the 6, become hot.
Mathwise, after 38000spin, all numbers will hit AROUND 100hit, more or less,
Thus cold numbers will have probabity to hit more...., unless the wheel heavily tilted
Let say, after 111spin, a number bit 7 times,
Before that number hit 7th, it must had hit 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, and 1st.
A number cant just suddenly hit 7th!?
It must go through 1st, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6th, before 7th.
Thus turbo must look out for certain hit, before betting on that number to go on hitting repeat.
Of course, a few numbers will fall asleep after , hitting certain time, and sleep for long spins, thus causing huge losses,
And few will become hot, or very hot.thus adding a unit up progression will hit jacklot....surpassing the sleepers losses.
I have bad news for followers of the guru Turbo.
You will never know how he plays because he has nothing to show.
The method is all about betting on hot numbers and chasing the losses using a progression.
I will say it again...There is no difference in betting cold numbers or hot numbers unless it is a biased wheel.
You will never unravel this puzzle because it does not exist. Keep wasting your time trying it...
I can not wait a few months or years to see that you realize you've been deceived.
I can not believe there are so many stupid and brainless people in this forum. Turbo is doing a good job doing brainwashing on his followers.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 18, 10:36 AM 2018I can not believe there are so many stupid and brainless people in this forum. Turbo is doing a good job doing brainwashing on his followers
you have made your point (several times) Turbo baiting is getting a tad boring but insulting most of the forum is too much
Give it a rest!
Quote from: SWEET on Jun 18, 10:16 AM 2018
Thanks Jekhb,
I just try to explain, why cold numbers will become hot numbers,
This is caused by the effect of RTM and probabity, where every numbers has even chance of hit, but random caused some to hit more or less,....
Turbo said said something about 6cold, and the high probability, 1 or 2 of the 6, become hot.
Mathwise, after 38000spin, all numbers will hit AROUND 100hit, more or less,
Thus cold numbers will have probabity to hit more...., unless the wheel heavily tilted
In a broad sense you are spot on correct.
There are still issues to deal with. Example the cycle of whatever to hot happens within a relevant cycle during the session that you play and not this RTM in 38000 spins.
The whatever numbers that you select to bet has to hit higher than average within this cycle. That's when it becomes hot as you play due to RTM principle.
This is the key -
LOTT comes into play - Two-thirds of this whatever numbers may hit above average because of RTM.
This means you must form a methodology to select this potential numbers that will become hot as you play. And you are aware due to LOTT when two-thirds of this numbers hit it is close to the peak of this RTM phenomena, better if there is a spike beyond mean.
As to the selection of possible numbers, you have to select them due to a reason, example they are hot or cold or recent or regrouped. And here is the key, they are no more than one-third of the numbers.
I hope I have explained it as best as I possibly can.
For someone who understands RTM and LOTT you should be able to understand my explanation of the inter-relation of this 2 principles at work. :)
good on ya Tuner
I'll help old Turbo out. Here are 180 consecutive spins from a reliable simulator. Andre if you can't see wins for repeats you are BLIND
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/06/18/temp_533740.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/2sPnl)
Quote from: Turner on Jun 18, 10:53 AM 2018
you have made your point (several times) Turbo baiting is getting a tad boring but insulting most of the forum is too much
Give it a rest!
It's nothing personal against Turbo Genius. He has serious personality problems.
I'm just trying to help people think with their own heads and not waste their time on a fantasy.
If you want you can ban me from this forum.
I will give it a break for a while
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 18, 11:01 AM 2018
It's nothing personal against Turbo Genius. He has serious personality problems.
I'm just trying to help people think with their own heads and not waste their time on a fantasy.
If you want you can ban me from this forum.
I will give it a break for a while
Maybe you, Steve, the General and Co must stop thinking and speaking for us! Let us find our own way and Let us decide what's best for us. You All are bashing Turbo and Keep saying that his metgod is worthless and that you are all saying that to open our eyes.
Well, i'm 42! I think that i certanly can think for myself, i don't need you or others say what's best for me. And i can speak for other members as well. Let us be, and Let us Judge for our own. If you don't agree with Turbo, that's Fine, but don't bother the rest of us (those Who want to learn) with your disaproval. And i Mean everyone that is bashing All the Time.
Thanks Cht,
Try to understand Lott.
Btw,
You say,
24n in 38spins, then,
24n, in next 38spins, then,
24n, in next 38spins....
Thus if we look closely,
There must a group of numbers that appeared on all previous three sets of 38spins...
WILL that group of numbers, or a few of that group hit again, in next 38spins???!!
Quote from: SWEET on Jun 18, 11:30 AM 2018
Thanks Cht,
Try to understand Lott.
Btw,
You say,
24n in 38spins, then,
24n, in next 38spins, then,
24n, in next 38spins....
Thus if we look closely,
There must a group of numbers that appeared on all previous three sets of 38spins...
WILL that group of numbers, or a few of that group hit again, in next 38spins???!!
By RTM principle I followed the "cold numbers" that were under-performing that may eventually return to the mean making them hit above average during my play session.
Quote from: cht on Jun 18, 11:39 AM 2018
By RTM principle I followed the "cold numbers" that were under-performing that may eventually return to the mean making them hit above average during my play session.
That must be long wait, and many spins to bet?! 1000spins perhaps? !
Quote from: SWEET on Jun 18, 11:51 AM 2018
That must be long wait, and many spins to bet?! 1000spins perhaps? !
In a sense that we understand RTM, yes the wait is long.
In the graphs I posted earlier, the wait is short within a normal play session. That's where I had to figure out how to locate "cold numbers" within much shorter cycles. There's one graph where I had to wait mid-game for the "cold number" to activate.
Note - I am not saying this is how TG plays. I merely used the principles he propounds in these forums. And there are still a lot of stuff that has to be explored further that takes time that I don't have. :(
Thanks Cht,
I read somewhere, that 3700spins for eu, and 3800spins for US wheel, that all number must RTM, to at least around 80hit per3700spins Rtm wise, thus if a number sleep for say 300spins, then hit, follow that till 70spins of no hit, stop loss.
Follow again when hit again. Keep bet if hit whithin 70spins.
If it hit 80/3700, then at the tail end will produce profit...
Just idea for simulating.
Quote from: ChtBy RTM principle I followed the "cold numbers" that were under-performing that may eventually return to the mean making them hit above average during my play session.
The RTM doesn't say that the numbers will ever catch up to one another.
That notion is part of the gambler's fallacy.With the RTM a number could be 40 hits below average after 5000 spins, and then 100 spins below average after 20,000 spins but appear to be catching up because the percentages look like they're merging closer together. The percentages that represent the hit frequencies will appear to merge but the numeric differences may actually grow much larger!
With the RTM your expectation moving forward should always be just expectation, not that events will catch up to one another.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 18, 10:53 AM 2018
you have made your point (several times) Turbo baiting is getting a tad boring but insulting most of the forum is too much
Give it a rest!
Suggestion,
If you find that a thread is boring, then don't read it. ::)
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 12:40 PM 2018
Suggestion,
If you find that a thread is boring, then don't read it. ::)
It`s not the thread that`s boring, only Andre Chass`s comments! The guy`s a joke, everything he accuses other members of is exactly what he himself does or has done...
For those interested in RTM.
link:s://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean
Btw, I am very familar with this RTM subject. I wrote the code that paints the visual of variance and mean in the image I posted earlier that allows for the actual observation of the distribution as it plays out.
Guys
In short england is playing its first match in fifa‘s world cup against tunisia!
Watch the game and leave turbo and steve fight alone :)
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 12:35 PM 2018With the RTM a number could be 40 hits below average after 5000 spins, and then 100 spins below average after 20,000 spins but appear to be catching up because the percentages look like they're merging closer together. The percentages that represent the hit frequencies will appear to merge but the numeric differences may actually grow much larger!
I don't think this is right. What you're talking about sounds more like the Law of Large Numbers. Regression to the mean says that if an outcome is extreme the next outcome is likely to be less extreme - closer to the average. So if you see 10 reds the next 10 spins is more likely to be closer to the average of 5. But I know what you mean about the gambler's fallacy, some gambler's think that by waiting for 10 reds it's more likely that the next 10 results will have less reds, which is true, but only because the most likely outcome is always the average (the waiting doesn't have any merit).
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 12:35 PM 2018
The RTM doesn't say that the numbers will ever catch up to one another. That notion is part of the gambler's fallacy.
With the RTM your expectation moving forward should always be just expectation, not that events will catch up to one another.
U r right but its not a fallacy. Ten red in a row now i can expect that next ten spin there wont be ten red(extreme) means there can b a black at least and u can launch a marti theoritically.
74 th spin. 1 number hits 4 times and stoped there at 4s. I can see another number moving toward 4s now stationed with a 3 hit in current cycle. The average says 74 th spin u must get a number on 5s.i can expect that the 4 hitter will not perform(xtreme) like before and ligically another has to replace it and go to 5s.
We can use RTM in our favour not in fallacious way
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 02:58 PM 2018
U r right but its not a fallacy. Ten red in a row now i can expect that next ten spin there wont be ten red(extreme) means there can b a black at least and u can launch a marti theoritically.
74 th spin. 1 number hits 4 times and stoped there at 4s. I can see another number moving toward 4s now stationed with a 3 hit in current cycle. The average says 74 th spin u must get a number on 5s.i can expect that the 4 hitter will not perform(xtreme) like before and ligically another has to replace it and go to 5s.
We can use RTM in our favour not in fallacious way
No you are Right Madi, it's not fallacy.
It is working towards a rare event. But the 1/37 doesn't change. But.....And here Comes the but, the More reds we See in a row, the More likely it is to See a Black one real soon. Why? Simple, because of Random, random has limits! No Steve, you can't, argue about this, it is what it is. Random says that a Black one Will eventualy come. The only problem is, we don't know when. But rest asure Steve, you Will never See 100 reds in your Lifetime, it Just can't happen due to Random!
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 02:58 PM 2018
U r right but its not a fallacy. Ten red in a row now i can expect that next ten spin there wont be ten red(extreme) means there can b a black at least and u can launch a marti theoritically.
We can use RTM in our favour not in fallacious way
No, RTM is of no use whatsoever. You're still not understanding what expectation means. Moving forward after ten reds in a row have hit, our expectation moving forward is that red is just as likely as black to hit. Meaning, what's hit in the past is completely and utterly irrelevant.
The expectation moving forward is ALWAYS the same because the number of pockets in which the ball can fall is always the same.Example: If red is running 10 hits behind black then your expectation moving forward should be that it will forever remain 10 hits behind black and that both red and black have the same odds of hitting.
In a game without a zero:
In 100 spins, red has hit 45 times and black has hit 55 times. Red is hitting 45% of the time and black is hitting 55% of the time.
After 100,000 spins red has hit 49,995 times and black has hit 50,005 times. Red is now hitting 49.995% of the time and black is hitting 50.005% of the time. Even though red looks like it has caught up, it's still 10 hits behind black, even though the percentages of hits have appeared to converge.
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 12:40 PM 2018
Suggestion,
If you find that a thread is boring, then don't read it. ::)
suggestion
If the post isnt directed at you, mind your own business.
Quote from: Turnersuggestion
If the post isnt directed at you, mind your own business.
Turner,
It's a
public message board. People are invited to weight in and express their views, opinions and facts. ::)
The gambler's fallacy, also known as the Monte Carlo fallacy or the fallacy of the maturity of chances, is the mistaken belief that, if something happens more frequently than normal during a given period, it will happen less frequently in the future. It may also be stated as the belief that, if something happens less frequently than normal during a given period, it will happen more frequently in the future. In situations where the outcome being observed is truly random and consists of independent trials of a random process, this belief is false. The fallacy can arise in many situations, but is most strongly associated with gambling, where it is common among players. -Wiki.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 18, 11:20 AM 2018
Maybe you, Steve, the General and Co must stop thinking and speaking for us! Let us find our own way and Let us decide what's best for us. You All are bashing Turbo and Keep saying that his metgod is worthless and that you are all saying that to open our eyes.
Well, i'm 42! I think that i certanly can think for myself, i don't need you or others say what's best for me. And i can speak for other members as well. Let us be, and Let us Judge for our own. If you don't agree with Turbo, that's Fine, but don't bother the rest of us (those Who want to learn) with your disaproval. And i Mean everyone that is bashing All the Time.
Great post.
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 03:59 PM 2018It's a public message board. People are invited to weight in and express their views, opinions and facts.
like I just did?
Exactly, that's my point. ;D
Now, let's get back on topic. Is there anything that you'd like to add that's actually related to the thread?
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 04:03 PM 2018
Exactly, that's my point. ;D
Now, let's get back on topic. Is there anything that you'd like to add that's actually related to the thread?
Listen Caleb. I am a moderator, as well as a poster. If a member keeps picking at some one then accuses the majority of the forum as stupid idiots then I will ask them to stop.
Its got nothing to do with you so butt out .
Now I will ask YOU to stop trying to run the forum on your terms.
There are rules and we moderate based on them. Try reading them.
Here are a couple and you sail close to the wind with no.5 and 6
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Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 02:58 PM 2018
U r right but its not a fallacy. Ten red in a row now i can expect that next ten spin there wont be ten red(extreme) means there can b a black at least
Hey general
Is that a fallacy or called RTM.
Next spin independent i m ok with that.i m talking about the xtreme event( thats the string of spins)
look this forum is now like GF, getting to be a fucking waste of space. There's a few wankers who moved to GF and now come back to just fuck it up.
They'll never leave you alone as they can't win, so they want you too believe that you can't win, come what may
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 18, 11:01 AM 2018It's nothing personal against Turbo Genius. He has serious personality problems.
I'm just trying to help people think with their own heads and not waste their time on a fantasy.
If you want you can ban me from this forum.
I will give it a break for a while
dont be silly. Im just asking you to calm down a bit
Turbs just seen engerland scrape home.
But with 8226 d'yu think i could increase my BR on shite MPR using ,1, 5, 25,50, 75
Turner,
Your posts on this thread are distracting and off topic.
Please start another thread.
Thanks. :)
QuoteHey general
Is that a fallacy or called RTM.
Next spin independent i m ok with that.i m talking about the xtreme event( thats the string of spins)
Extreme events are the same. Meaning that if you've just witnessed an extreme event, then your expectation moving forward is that the event never happened in the past. In other words, just ignore the past spins. (Unless you're attempting to exploit the gaming device.)
Daniel bryan, yes, yes +500 betting repeats you cunts engerland engerland, engerland
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Shit hot tipperary, Turner if you was here better than that shite IPA
So, using RTM, we should play a cold number after it hits?
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 04:44 PM 2018
Extreme events are the same. Meaning that if you've just witnessed an extreme event, then your expectation moving forward is that the event never happened in the past. In other words, just ignore the past spins. (Unless you're attempting to exploit the gaming device.)
Ok got it. What is matter is can we predict the next spin or not. What is ur suggestion for system player or anything can be done with to be hot number or any other number? Bcz visual ballistic , computer or bias wheel is not for everyone u understand that. Some need high experienced or big money. Can we do something using any kind of system that u r aware of?
Start with basic vb. Really its easy.
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Shit hot tipperary, Turner if you was here better than that shite IPA
Poison. Roll me a joint.
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 04:42 PM 2018
Turner,
Your posts on this thread are distracting and off topic.
Please start another thread.
Thanks. :)
Quote from: The General on Jun 18, 01:54 AM 2018
Yo, sure ding. I get right on dat fo U.
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Jus let me get da ride movin furst! cheers lad
And this is on topic?
Forget the passive aggressive shit and stop trying to goad me.
This was never about you, and as ever, you are trying to make it so.
LET IT GO >:D (I know you find it hard)
If turbo was focused on helping others, he would at least acknowledge parx and rs are not realistic simulators. Broad unrealistic betting limits and huge bonuses. Youd have to be an idiot to honestly think its realistic. I explained it clearly.
But i dont think he's focused on helping others. He's doing this for ego. Its baiting which is against forum rules. Thats why he fights hard claiming parx and rs are realistic, and mpr where he lost is apparently not realistic.
I mean come on. Thats just one point. You'd have to be a fool to believe him on this one point alone. But there are many others.
Turbos manipulation has temporarily degraded the forum. Its only possible with ignorant members. Again it happens with a new guru every now and then like i said. Its just up to members to be logical and see through the crap.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 06:10 PM 2018
If turbo was focused on helping others, he would at least acknowledge parx and rs are not realistic simulators. Broad unrealistic betting limits and huge bonuses. Youd have to be an idiot to honestly think its realistic. I explained it clearly.
Here is my favourite Casino in London and some of their limits. On a single number, I can have £500. There are many like these in the area and they are not even that exclusive. You are full of shit Steve and to be honest, you always were and always will be.
If I don't play carefully be it Parx or real play. I lose. They could flip the edge at Parx to be 10% over, I'd still lose. Bonuses or not. The forums hardly being degraded mate. Seems some fools on here are getting off on this. They could be spending their time starting some other threads sharing ideas instead but…
Quote from: wiggy on Jun 18, 06:33 PM 2018
Here is my favourite Casino in London and some of their limits. On a single number, I can have £500. There are many like these in the area and they are not even that exclusive. You are full of shit Steve and to be honest, you always were and always will be.
Wiggy, in my local casino they have limits between $0.50 min, and $100,000 maximum although the table limits can vary depending on who's playing.
But not on the same table. The typical difference between the min-max bets on the same table for inside bets is around 10 times.
For example, a $10 minimum means a $100 maximum bet. It does vary between casinos, but not to the extent of RS. I have never known of such a broad limit. The exception is a German casino with euro 500 - 50,000 for outside bets, but a
still the typical limit for inside bets.
You forgot to show the bottom part, for some reason:
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Looks like the roulette limit spread for inside bets is 20x - still far from RS.
So show me a real casino that has the table limits as broad as RS for inside bets, for a single table, then I'll admit I'm wrong :thumbsup: Otherwise, who's full of shit?
For the record (not that it matters)
Golden Nugget live money play (online for real money) I get
$1.00 min to $100.00 max on any straight up bet.
that's 1-100 spread for units.
Parx Euro wheel online game is $10.00 min to $100.00 max
that's an absurd 1-10 spread for units. *but that's ok right ?
Celtic live wheel online is $1.00 min to $10.00 max
that's ALSO an absurd 1-10 spread for units. *again, that's ok right ?
Roulette Simulator game is $1.00 min to $250.00 max
that's a 1-250 spread in units.
So Parx Euro and Celtic are 1-10, Live play at GN is 1-100 !!!
and RSim being the most "generous" at 1-250.
The two "fun play games" are terrible compared to real life.
But supposedly everyone wins on the simulation because of the amazing spread
of 1-10 compared to 1-100 at a real money casino site.
The Parx online game "Deluxe" $100.00 - $205,714.28
or 1 - 2,057.14 unit size. Is this "realistic" ? no.
All of these games, each and every one gives the player a 1:37 chance
of winning with a payout of 35:1
Each of these gives random spins. Each of these the house edge is the same.
Each of these players win and lose at exactly the same math as in the casino.
GN online for real play is 1-100 and better than all but the "Deluxe" wheel at Parx and RSim.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 08:19 PM 2018Golden Nugget live money play (online for real money) I get
$1.00 min to $100.00 max on any straight up bet.
that's 1-100 spread for units.
Not that rare for such small units.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 08:19 PM 2018Parx Euro wheel online game is $10.00 min to $100.00 max that's an absurd 1-10 spread for units. *but that's ok right ?
Tighter than usual, and yes its ok. But you arent winning millions with real money Parx, are you? You prefer spending time winning play money.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 08:19 PM 2018Roulette Simulator game is $1.00 min to $250.00 max that's a 1-250 spread in units.
They changed it? Is that why I cant see you on the leaderboard now? Still there are lots of big winners there.
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Did you deliberately lose your money at RS too, like you did at Parx? What happened?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 08:19 PM 2018Celtic live wheel online is $1.00 min to $10.00 max that's ALSO an absurd 1-10 spread for units. *again, that's ok right ?
Sure it's ok. But why are you listing casinos where you aren't winning millions like with Parx fun mode? Are you saying you have the same success with real money?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 08:40 PM 2018Did you deliberately lose your money at RS too, like you did at Parx? What happened?
My balance isn't listed because my account is set to "private".
Private accounts aren't listed on the leader board. I can always take it off of private
and snap a screenshot. I'm in 2nd. I still have not a single reset and not a single losing session.. which can of course be verified since I'm surely lying right ?
Again. I told everyone ahead of time (even you) that I was going to lose (on purpose) my balance at Parx. I said this before I did it - then I did it the next day.
You continue to accuse me of losing it in some other way.
I proved a point - you can have a huge amount and lose it, there's no rigging where
just because you have a huge bankroll you can't lose.
People lose if they don't use a winning method.
But none of these facts matter, I've said them before and now you say it's an excuse even though I clearly said it ahead of time that I was going to lose it to prove a point. Useless.
Bago has 3rd one week and 10th+ last week. Nothing whatsoever compared to what I did over MONTHS but you won't give me credit for that either.
Turns out - I'm not the one being misleading at all. Go figure.
My local live dealer online casino has 1 to 200 units on inside bets.
It has an an RNG table as well with 1 to 800 units spread.
Too bad the maximum bet is about $70 in currency equivalent.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 08:40 PM 2018They changed it? Is that why I cant see you on the leaderboard now? Still there are lots of big winners there.
All of the players are listed - and the overall balance is exactly the HOUSE EDGE.
Much like the other game I hear about that is the only way to prove something works or not.
Despite the 1-250 spread - the overall balance among all players is the house edge negative
for the players....because the min and max don't matter one bit.
You can bet more, therefore you lose MORE. You can bet more, therefore you can win MORE (the "more" doesn't change the math of the game)
Ignore this fact... continue on.
I've said numerous times:
1. Your large winnings on RS are probably due to the broad and unrealistic betting limits.
2. Other players win big too as a result of the betting limits. Do they all have the secret HG?
In your recent response (above), you cited the CURRENT inside betting limit at RS, which is 1-250. As I recall, it was more like 1 to 2000. I assume they changed it. Can anyone confirm?
But regardless, looking at the current limits for inside bets, I've never seen different limits for different types of inside bets.
The inside betting limits go up to 1500:
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Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 08:56 PM 2018because the min and max don't matter one bit.
You can bet more, therefore you lose MORE
You contradicted yourself again. The slots players at Parx blitz everyone. You said that was because they have a higher maximum bet. Now you're saying bet size doesn't matter?
The truth is of course it matters. A player with smaller bets will never compete with a player who can afford larger bets. That's why the leaderboard on parx is nonsense, and the win rate on MPR is are far better indicator of a player's results. But remember, you dont play at MPR since you lost because it's not as realistic as Parx. ::)
As I said before, the key to ranking high on parx is getting the large daily login bonuses, then out-betting others. But dont play too much - play just enough to out-rank the others, then get the extra bonuses money, then repeat the process. But you expect us to believe you never ever used the bonuses money.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 08:53 PM 2018Bago has 3rd one week and 10th+ last week. Nothing whatsoever compared to what I did over MONTHS but you won't give me credit for that either.
If someone wants to code a bot for me, I could easily rank 1st on either parx fun mode or RS. The math is not complicated. It just takes time and subtle progression to do it with no resets.
Or I can show you on RX too, but RX doesnt allow betting limits like RS unless its coded into the system.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 18, 08:56 AM 2018If I had the HG I would be enjoying life ... Women, cars, trips, mansions, yachts.
I have terrible news scammer - none of those things bring someone happiness.
And from how you put it - your "riches" wouldn't last long, you would blow it all and
within a year be back on a forum selling something for 2k.
Find out what success and happiness is and you'll see it doesn't come from money.
Cheers. (and I'm the one with mental issues...go figure)
And here I thought you were going to say :
If I had the HG I would be enjoying life ... charity, foundations for the needy, improving my community and changing as many lives for the better that I can....
Nope - the "scammer" thinks about himself ALWAYS.
Cars, Yachts and Mansions... no wonder you'll never succeed.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 09:08 PM 2018You contradicted yourself again. The slots players at Parx blitz everyone. You said that was because they have a higher maximum bet.
THE PAYOUT (I'm yelling... no idea why, it won't matter....calm down...)
The payout on EVERY slot machine at Parx online is EXACTLY the same as the
payout on the SAME slot machine in their casino. For God's sake, look it up or ask them.
So yes - a slot machine with $1,000 minimum pulls is going to have players winning a million.
The math is no different than a quarter slot where the player can win 4,000 times LESS in balance in the casino.
The slot payouts are listed - look it up... tell me how it's a higher payout than the actual casino slot machine ? No, because it's exactly the same.
Big numbers compared to small numbers that compare equally confuse people ?
What if the min pull was $10,000 and the leader on the board had 30 million $ ?
lol.
It's math - it's the same... I'm turning blue explaining the obvious.
I guess I'll go get some screen shots of the payouts for the slots games and you can compare them to the casino payout slot machines and then be astonished that
they are THE SAME.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 09:20 PM 2018The payout on EVERY slot machine at Parx online is EXACTLY the same as the payout on the SAME slot machine in their casino. For God's sake, look it up or ask them.
Inconsequential because in the real casino, you don't get thousands in free real money for free, just because you walked in the door.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 09:20 PM 2018The math is no different than a quarter slot where the player can win 4,000 times LESS in balance in the casino.
You still aren't understanding the relevance of the bonus money.
I'm not just talking about payouts. About bonus money and bet size. If the bets were just as large with roulette, assuming the house edge was around the same, anyone could just as easily match the slots players.
But back onto table limits.... Here's an example... starting with just $3000, this player won over $1M. In just 86 spins. This is what you can do with broad table limits. But they were a lot more aggressive than they needed to be.
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Anyway Turbo this is wasting my time. If you can win millions with real money, do it, instead of wasting time with play money.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 09:37 PM 2018Inconsequential because in the real casino, you don't get thousands in free real money for free, just because you walked in the door.
Correct. You take a bankroll.
If you win 100.00 over your bankroll you have 100.00 profit.
If Parx gives me a bankroll and I win 100.00 - I have 100.00 in profit.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 09:37 PM 2018But back onto table limits.... Here's an example... starting with just $3000, this player won over $1M. In just 86 spins. This is what you can do with broad table limits. But they were a lot more aggressive than they needed to be.
Yes ! look at the total playing chart of that player... should I post it ?
It's a saw blade downward from HELL lol.
This person can't keep doing that because they are doomed (even with all of the advantages you speak of)
So they have to play or else lose first place - and when they play they have to bet insane amounts (losing 3k countless times and then spiking up a win rarely...) or else they are screwed. It's a good example of how you can't win over time.
I on the other hand have 0 resets, never lost a single session and am in 2nd.
My chart is a continuous uphill climb with no drops.
I also never bet insane amounts - I use the exact same table limits as I have in real play.
Gosh.......how can it be.
Turbo, he has just 4 resets:
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Your approach is mild progression. His is much more aggressive. Its still taking advantage of the table limits.
Being we all have brains here - which one of these two players is doing it right,
and which one is heading for the inevitable doom of broke land.
One looks impossible to accomplish (amazing even)
and one looks like the absurd roller coaster of choas praying for another win before it's all lost and reset #5 happens lol. But hey, I'm bragging.. I'll stop.
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Turbo the difference is aggressive vs mild progression.
Mild progression = slower and more stable
Aggressive = faster and more volatile
He nearly doubled your bankroll. It must mean he has the HG too. Better than yours, since he won more in less time. Is that correct logic?
Here's one with no resets, like you. Another HG:
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$420,000+ from just $3000. Must be the HG. No other explanation.
Just win real money instead. Why waste all this time on play money?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 09:13 PM 2018
Find out what success and happiness is and you'll see it doesn't come from money.
And here I thought you were going to say :
If I had the HG I would be enjoying life ... charity, foundations for the needy, improving my community and changing as many lives for the better that I can....
So if you can do that, do that! Use your HG to make money and help others people. But no! You prefer play with with play money.
You prefer stay here fooling the people and feeding your ego.
You are a sociopath that needs attention. You stay here playing your sadistic game misleading the people. You don't reveal your system because you don't have nothing to show. You don't own the HG.
Someday the people here will realized that they are been deceived.
If you was focused on helping others you will play with real money and win a lot of money or even millions.
Im not a scammer. There's a thread In this forum to sell strategies, systems, etc, and I thought about selling one of my strategies but I gave up doing it. At least I was honest. Proofreader is selling his strategies too. What's wrong about that?
You are degrading this forum. If I were Steve you would be banned from here.
Example of Hector exploiting the broad and unrealistic table limits:
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But even he isnt doing it the optimal way. His approach is quite clumsy, but still no resets and large profit.
You can apply this approach with any roulette, but to a much higher degree with RS.
But again let's stop all this talk and just go win your millions, in real money.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 18, 10:20 PM 2018You are degrading this forum. If I were Steve you would be banned from here.
Yeah, well... you're not.... you're a scammer system seller with no sales.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 10:17 PM 2018Just win real money instead. Why waste all this time on play money?
Am I supposed to say for the 10th hundredth time that I am playing with real money - in AC, at Parx in PA and now online at GN..... ?
How many times does someone have to repeat the same thing so you can pretend each and every time that I never said it ?
I'm misleading ??? Amazing. Is this part of the game ?
Between the scammer saying "hey, why don't you play for real money ?" and the admin saying "hey, why don't you play for real money".. you both sound absurd to everyone reading this since I already clearly stated over and over that's exactly what I'm doing.
Oh why do I do this to myself.. lol.
I'm going to bed, in the morning there's probably going to be 10 more pages about how I'm lying and don't play for real money, how math is different when it's exactly the same and how I'm misleading when in reality - all the "haters" lie around me. Unreal.
Oh wait - Make Andre the scammer admin for a day so he can ban me lol
He's earned his shot at the big time ! He can ban everyone who agrees with me too !
It will be like a clearance sale where anyone who disagrees is GONE !!!!!!!!
Comical. I hope I don't have freaky dreams about this place tonight lol.
G'night
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 10:37 PM 2018Am I supposed to say for the 10th hundredth time that I am playing with real money - in AC, at Parx in PA and now online at GN..... ?
I could play there, win a little, and claim I'm winning. But its a little different to winning hundreds of thousands... dont you agree?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 10:37 PM 2018Between the scammer saying "hey, why don't you play for real money ?" and the admin saying "hey, why don't you play for real money".. you both sound absurd
What's more absurd is you consider small wins and nearly a million dollars the same thing.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 10:37 PM 2018I'm going to bed, in the morning there's probably going to be 10 more pages about how I'm lying and don't play for real money
Remember, small wins vs nearly $1m. Big difference.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 10:37 PM 2018how math is different
Broader and unrealistic betting limits, and thousands in free money every day you walk into the casino for nothing is not different to reality?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 10:37 PM 2018all the "haters"
Who are you Justin Beiber? There aren't "haters". Just people who see through your logic and stories.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 18, 10:37 PM 2018I hope I don't have freaky dreams about this place tonight lol.
Sweet dreams, pumkin pie.
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 18, 05:15 PM 2018
So, using RTM, we should play a cold number after it hits?
In the context of this specific model yes.
It is not always necessary the case where it depends on the structure of the random distribution and the opposite strategy may be more suitable.
For general info, there is mean reversion and divergence from the mean, opposite of each other with different risk profiles and application.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 18, 02:58 PM 2018
U r right but its not a fallacy. Ten red in a row now i can expect that next ten spin there wont be ten red(extreme) means there can b a black at least and u can launch a marti theoritically.
74 th spin. 1 number hits 4 times and stoped there at 4s. I can see another number moving toward 4s now stationed with a 3 hit in current cycle. The average says 74 th spin u must get a number on 5s.i can expect that the 4 hitter will not perform(xtreme) like before and ligically another has to replace it and go to 5s.
We can use RTM in our favour not in fallacious way
First of all a ten red in a row is a fat tail event.
This fat tail event can be in the same direction of variance or against it.
The more important matter is the quality of variance in the current structure of distribution.
The application of RTM with lower risk profile is when the variance is not at it's upper limit, say 1 to 2 deviation.
This fat tail 10 reds in a row can then be exploited to apply this RTM strategy in this instance.
When the variance is say 3 and beyond deviation followed by a 10 red fat tail event, then RTM strategy will have too high risk profile. The opposite strategy of divergence from the mean will be the more suitable strategy.
The most basic understanding is a 10 red outcome is not variance itself but a fat tail event.
All that doesnt matter, because the odds of red or black are the same on the next spins. Fundamental and basic stuff. Just test properly and see.
The betting odds is not the statement of probability of the event. To assume that is fallacious.
The betting odds is what it is, that is "fixed" odds the house or bookie presents to the betting public based on the "general" probability of the event, say inside numbers, minus the house edge giving a 1:35 payout for inside numbers.
The current probability of this inside number event is not this "fixed" betting odds, where variance plays it's role.
Quote from: cht on Jun 19, 12:12 AM 2018The betting odds is not the statement of probability of the event.
Uh, yes it is. Probability is the same as odds.
Quote from: cht on Jun 19, 12:12 AM 2018The current probability of this inside number event is not this "fixed" betting odds, where variance plays it's role.
What are you talking about? The number of pockets isn't variable for a wheel. It stays the same.
I think you are trying to say the odds may be 1 in 37, but it doesn't mean you are going to win 1 in 37 times over perhaps a session of 100 spins. You're right about that, because you might not win even once.
Simply if your bet selection is no better than random, you will average 1 win per 37 spins (for flat bets on European wheel). The only way this can change is if you increase the accuracy of predictions (aka improve your odds).
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 12:38 AM 2018
Uh, yes it is. Probability is the same as odds.
The [fixed] BETTING ODDS is not the statement of probability of the event. To assume that is fallacious.
I leave it to your understanding about what I wrote.
What are you talking about? The number of pockets isn't variable for a wheel. It stays the same.
I think you are trying to say the odds may be 1 in 37, but it doesn't mean you are going to win 1 in 37 times over perhaps a session of 100 spins. You're right about that, because you might not win even once.
Simply if your bet selection is no better than random, you will average 1 win per 37 spins (for flat bets on European wheel). The only way this can change is if you increase the accuracy of predictions (aka improve your odds).
QuoteFirst of all a ten red in a row is a fat tail event.
This fat tail event can be in the same direction of variance or against it.
The more important matter is the quality of variance in the current structure of distribution.
The application of RTM with lower risk profile is when the variance is not at it's upper limit, say 1 to 2 deviation.
This fat tail 10 reds in a row can then be exploited to apply this RTM strategy in this instance.
When the variance is say 3 and beyond deviation followed by a 10 red fat tail event, then RTM strategy will have too high risk profile. The opposite strategy of divergence from the mean will be the more suitable strategy.
The most basic understanding is a 10 red outcome is not variance itself but a fat tail event.
Sorry, but the made up jargon isn't helping your argument. RTM can not be used to exploit any gambling game. You're not comprehending basic probability and variance. A good place to catch up on the basics is the wizardofodds.com
CHT, how are you supposed to predict variance? You can predict an expected range with reasonable accuracy, but you are still stuck with 1 in 37. So your attempts to predict any outcomes based on variance are quite futile.
Quote from: The General on Jun 19, 12:50 AM 2018
Sorry, but the made up jargon isn't helping your argument. RTM can not be used to exploit any gambling game. You're not comprehending basic probability and variance. A good place to catch up on the basics is the wizardofodds.com
I agree wizardsofodds.com is a place to learn the basics for the ignorant general public.
However it is the worst place to learn anything more than basics.
And there is a huge world beyond the basics that you have no idea about.
(Apologise for this line but it is what it is.)
No comments beyond this post. Pls do not reply.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 12:51 AM 2018
CHT, how are you supposed to predict variance? You can predict an expected range with reasonable accuracy, but you are still stuck with 1 in 37. So your attempts to predict any outcomes based on variance are quite futile.
I won't respond to your
valid question for obvious reasons - this is as far as I will go on forums.
Quote from: cht on Jun 19, 12:56 AM 2018
I won't respond to your valid question for obvious reasons - this is as far as I will go on forums.
In order to understand why the statement is absurd, replace the word "variance" with the word "luck."
Do you believe that you can actually predict "luck?"
It is a lot easier to call variance as
"luck".
These are the videos that study the
BASIC math of variance=
"luck" and standard deviation=
"luck of luck".
Ok, I'm done here.
THE GENERAL
√npq. for 100 tests 50/50 = √100* 0.5*0.5 = 5.
1σ=5
2σ=10
3σ=15
here is you luck or failure!
Turbo, CHT.....why do you guys need them to understand you? You laid enough information for those that would like to investigate for themselves. Just go and make your money!
A winning method is not meant for everyone.
Steve/general.... each spin is independent if you track it spin by spin! when spins are combined its a whole new world of math. Within this world of math there are ways to take advantage of the game
Its all based on how the information is tracked! You create rules and go from there.
QuoteTHE GENERAL
√npq. for 100 tests 50/50 = √100* 0.5*0.5 = 5.
1σ=5
2σ=10
3σ=15
here is you luck or failure!
By the way, you left out the zeros in your equation.
My point was that you can't predict when you will be lucky or unlucky. In other words you can't predict when you will have positive variance or negative variance.
Quotewhen spins are combined its a whole new world of math.
Oh really! Please explain.
By the way, when the spins are combined, the next spin is STILL and independent trial.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 19, 01:39 AM 2018when spins are combined its a whole new world of math.
How? A string of 1 in 37's does not make anything but a string of 1 in 37's. If you think a group of spins changes the odds, it doesn't. If it did, then it wouldn't be 1 in 37.
If you know otherwise, please explain.
Turbo can explain it! :thumbsup:
There is a big difference in -
1.
the probability of individual events, and
2.
the probability of a random distributionThe disjoint of the current banter is the lack of understanding of this difference by some members. Who regurgitate the 1:35 fixed odds of individual events from wizardsofodds.com
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 02:17 AM 2018
How? A string of 1 in 37's does not make anything but a string of 1 in 37's. If you think a group of spins changes the odds, it doesn't. If it did, then it wouldn't be 1 in 37.
If you know otherwise, please explain.
I didn't say anything about changing any odds. All I said was... when spins are combined the math is different!
Once you know the new math then you can worry about the odds for example using vaddi method 37 spins only 24 numbers show up AVERAGE!
out of the 24 numbers there is an AVERAGE of 12 doubles.
now think what turbo mentioned before there are 3's there has to be 2's but before that there should be 1's (its that simple)
within this realm of 37 spins you know about 24 numbers show and you know 12 of these numbers will become doubles/triples/quads
Now think in terms of odds!! obviouly you cant win them all, but you dont need to! just win at better odds then 1/35. but how many numbers are you choosing from???? 36,37,24,12
Vaddi plays both hot and cold numbers based on his chart!
Turbo plays hot numbers with a progression based the on the distance between repeats!
Talk talk and talk!
Empty words! I see nothing useful from this thread
You are guys of talk!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 19, 03:34 AM 2018
I didn't say anything about changing any odds. All I said was... when spins are combined the math is different!
Once you know the new math then you can worry about the odds for example using vaddi method 37 spins only 24 numbers show up AVERAGE!
out of the 24 numbers there is an AVERAGE of 12 doubles.
now think what turbo mentioned before there are 3's there has to be 2's but before that there should be 1's (its that simple)
within this realm of 37 spins you know about 24 numbers show and you know 12 of these numbers will become doubles/triples/quads
Now think in terms of odds!! obviouly you cant win them all, but you dont need to! just win at better odds then 1/35. but how many numbers are you choosing from???? 36,37,24,12
Vaddi plays both hot and cold numbers based on his chart!
Turbo plays hot numbers with a progression based the on the distance between repeats!
Good post MoneyT101. You are right there's enough info on this thread already for anyone interested to investigate for themselves.
Time to move on for all of us, especially TG. Move on TG dude !
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 19, 03:52 AM 2018
Talk talk and talk!
Empty words! I see nothing useful from this thread
You are guys of talk!
correct nothing to see here :thumbsup:
WTF!!
Why admins dont lock this thread?
Its getting boring with all this talk show !
Nothing useful, time wasting!
This forum is losing its sense, its collecting all retired men all over the world and offering them a platform for talkshow!
Steve, change the rules before its too late !
Any thread that keeps in loop should be locked!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 19, 05:00 AM 2018This forum is losing its sense, its collecting all retired men all over the world and offering them a platform for talkshow!
I couldnt agree more. its a Caleb-fest, as is everywhere else he goes.
And...he has the audacity to PM me to tell me I am a shit moderator
Perhaps Steve would like to confirm that I am not a shit moderator as its just another attempt to undermine the rules.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 19, 05:14 AM 2018
I couldnt agree more. its a Caleb-fest, as is everywhere else he goes.
And...he has the audacity to PM me to tell me I am a shit moderator
Perhaps Steve would like to confirm that I am not a shit moderator as its just another attempt to undermine the rules.
Caleb-fest , Whats that ?
Tuner, go ahead lock this damn thread.
If you lock it, we would stop calling you shitModerator, what do you think?
Turner is the best mod ever been on any of my forums. Honest truth.
A distant last is ken. He was ok until he lost it.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 19, 05:14 AM 2018
I couldnt agree more. its a Caleb-fest, as is everywhere else he goes.
And...he has the audacity to PM me to tell me I am a shit moderator
Perhaps Steve would like to confirm that I am not a shit moderator as its just another attempt to undermine the rules.
Would you admit it is your shortcoming to fail to see the contradiction?
Again talk show!
Quote from: cht on Jun 19, 05:46 AM 2018Would you admit it is your shortcoming to fail to see the contradiction?
If only I understood that :o
And theres plenty of useful info here if you're looking into turbos claims or repeaters. only problem is a lot of it is repetitive because turbos logic and answers are 2 comes after 3, 4 after 3 etc. He gives nothing useful that would validate his claims.
Basically its all summed up in my large post. From there, not likely to get much further.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 05:46 AM 2018Turner is the best mod ever been on any of my forums. Honest truth.
I love you
Quote from: Turner on Jun 19, 05:52 AM 2018
If only I understood that :o
Ofc you don't or more of you won't. Never mind.
I love you too, you bald headed soccer/football pom
Its ok, i saw my own back of head on a security recording and I'm not far off.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 05:52 AM 2018
And theres plenty of useful info here if you're looking into turbos claims or repeaters. only problem is a lot of it is repetitive because turbos logic and answers are 2 comes after 3, 4 after 3 etc. He gives nothing useful that would validate his claims.
Basically its all summed up in my large post. From there, not likely to get much further.
That’s why we demanding the closure of this looping thread!
Do it! Please
It’s going nowhere
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 19, 05:00 AM 2018Why admins dont lock this thread?
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 19, 05:39 AM 2018Tuner, go ahead lock this damn thread.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 19, 06:00 AM 2018That’s why we demanding the closure of this looping thread!
For crying out loud - "we" ? lol. Don't read it then ! Problem solved.
You're welcome.
There would just be @turbo2 - then you would complain about that thread too ?
Don't read it...... look at other threads and enjoy your time on the forum again....
theres no need to close this thread. the conversation is winding up anyway.
i can add ability to ignore threads, but its not hard to just not click them
Quote from: Turner on Jun 19, 05:14 AM 2018And...he has the audacity to PM me to tell me I am a shit moderator
lol. It's ok - he sent me a PM that was for someone else, sent to me by mistake....talking about me.... He does strange things from time to time, but as long as he sticks with telling people there is no way to win other than AP - he'll be a forum hero.
Oh and in case you missed it 20 times, "Roulette Beater" (?) wants you to lock the thread.
I wasn't sure if you missed it. lol
Quote from: Steve on Jun 18, 10:17 PM 2018Here's one with no resets, like you. Another HG:
Oh absolutely he has the HG Steve - the stats clearly show it.
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So many losing sessions you can't count them all - and the see-saw spiked roller coaster bankroll from hell - because he's doing close to the same thing the knucklehead in first is doing. They show clearly how you can manage to win while using "nothing" sometimes. But it won't last - and......
in my case - not a single losing session and the uphill chart that climbs for as long as I want it to.
Turbo
You are wasting our time !
Your roulettes prophecy claims are nonsense!
Get a life Man! Stop peeing on the head of your followers, they are admired by you because you all share the same illusion!
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 06:57 AM 2018wants you to lock the thread.
I wasn't sure if you missed it. lol
he speaks for us all...apparently
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Yes Steve, Hector clearly has found the secrets of the Holy Grail.
I tried to keep it a secret but as you can see, he's done it !!!
Throw a shit-ton of chips all over the table and then make a wavy snake through the middle from right to left with those chips and POW you have the HG.
It was there all along - even on the caves you can find carvings of the roulette
Holy Grail Snake. I knew the secret would get out someday.
lol - have a nice day.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 19, 07:08 AM 2018he speaks for us all...apparently
Now I have the strange desire to see the thread go to 10,000 pages and 15 years from now everyone is still posting in it.
I picture him with his mouse ready to click the thread "no.....no.....NOOOOO......."
CLICK ! (reads)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 07:17 AM 2018
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Yes Steve, Hector clearly has found the secrets of the Holy Grail.
I tried to keep it a secret but as you can see, he's done it !!!
Throw a shit-ton of chips all over the table and then make a wavy snake through the middle from right to left with those chips and POW you have the HG.
It was there all along - even on the caves you can find carvings of the roulette
Holy Grail Snake. I knew the secret would get out someday.
lol - have a nice day.
Oh my shit!
My ar** is scratching!
Yes turbo, it shows how much easier it is to win with broad unrealistic betting limits. But show his and other players betting maximums. The random bets are no better than your bet selection. Random. Your bankroll would be on steady decline without progression. And if you dont win with flat bets, you wont sustain winnings with progression. How long it takes mostly depends on the betting limits and how they are used. I already explained bankroll trends, and aggressive vs mild progression.
Again just go win your millions instead of winning fun money. Eventually the truth about your “never lose†system that “wins because spins are random and unpredictableâ€. The conversation is a dead end. I cant argue against your “logicâ€. You’re clearly smarter than every mathematician and scientist of any kind on Earth.
Yes beat him, steve !
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The constant arguments in this topic reminds me of this blog post.
link:://:.blackdragonblog.com/2013/11/24/2-2-5/ (link:://:.blackdragonblog.com/2013/11/24/2-2-5/)
Quote from: Kairomancer on Jun 19, 03:19 PM 2018
The constant arguments in this topic reminds me of this blog post.
link:://:.blackdragonblog.com/2013/11/24/2-2-5/ (link:://:.blackdragonblog.com/2013/11/24/2-2-5/)
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I agree. There's a big disconnect between the people that don't comprehend basic probability, and that choose to ignore the history of the game,
and those that do comprehend it and have studied the history of the game.
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General,
Thank you for co-creating a synchronicity with your epic pics.
Quote from: The General on Jun 19, 03:31 PM 2018and that choose to ignore the history of the game,
Ive studied the history of the game.
What I learned was...... A long time ago in Klondike Pete's Golden Nugget Casino, you could find a biased wheel
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Now its just a Flat Earth belief.
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Roulettebleater
Please stop bleating about locking the thread. Steve gave you an answer. The thread isnt being locked.
I deleted your post
as you wish, tuner!
keep the talk show on then!
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 07:57 AM 2018The conversation is a dead end. I cant argue against your “logicâ€. You’re clearly smarter than every mathematician and scientist of any kind on Earth.
Your pictures must represent Rocky 1 - when he lost to Creed.
I tried to post the actual data to show the difference in player's results but you want to say that it's all the same thing, just one is aggressive and mine isn't.
It's not the same at all - think of this analogy (not that you will, or it will somehow change your flawed opinion)
I'll present you with three company stock charts - one is my company and the other two are others.
You decide where you would put your money. Now the broker might try to sell you on
the nonsense that "hey, they are all winners" but no one in their right mind would pick a stock to invest in that performs like a rollercoaster with 1 loss away from being broke.
Or the stock where the company filed bankruptcy 4 times before this stock chart of the last two weeks (lol).
You tell the readers of the forum - where do you put your hard earned money to invest ?
The chart that climbs non-stop from the beginning and has never once failed.... or would you put your money in the stock that might be at a higher price but the charts show what they show lol. Please be honest, it's ok - it means you'll have to say mine is clearly the best approach and your money would be clearly expected to increase over time in a safe and reliable manner. The other charts clearly show doom in the near future - but like you say "It's your money". I'm lying ? I'm misleading ? Do actual charts that show results mean nothing because you can't accept I'm right ?
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You’re clearly smarter than every mathematician and scientist of any kind on Earth
Not even close - but I do tell the truth and show actual results instead of taking bits of the truth and making Fake News from it while leaving out the rest.
"the rest" such as - that I actually do play this in the casino and do win EVERY time.
That's never mentioned, it's always "why don't you go play for real money".
I think in this case - "Rocky" got hit a few too many times in the head, but at least he was honest when he was wrong and tried harder to win the next time in the movies. In this case you're wrong and nothing I say or do will change that.
Turbo,
You should see a graph of the slot players on Parx! They're killing it! :twisted:
Actually the losers outpace the winners, and the overall is
EXACTLY the percentage where it should be negative in favor of the casino.
The same goes for the table games.
Which is why you can't play there and win - the animated wheels don't wobble... :(
They actually produce random outcomes.
You're obviously ignorant - you only see the parts you want to post about and nothing else. Oh well.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 06:08 PM 2018
Actually the losers outpace the winners, and the overall is
EXACTLY the percentage where it should be negative in favor of the casino.
The same goes for the table games.
Which is why you can't play there and win - the animated wheels don't wobble... :(
They actually produce random outcomes.
You're obviously ignorant - you only see the parts you want to post about and nothing else. Oh well.
I see lots of free bonus money ready each time if I choose to log on. If you deplete part of your bankroll, all you have to do is wait for more free money and you're off to win more in pretend mode! :twisted:
The million dollar question!
Turbo, instead of you staying here in this forum trying to prove your point by playing your sadistic game of cat and rat, why youre not in the casinos playing for real money and making thousands of dollars to help people, and make donations to the institutions of charity as you said before?
You know why! Because you are a compulsive liar who needs attention. People here are already realizing it.
Go out with you HG and make millions!
Now call me a scammer, because is the only thing you have to say about me...
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 19, 06:39 PM 2018
The million dollar question!
Turbo, instead of you staying here in this forum trying to prove your point by playing your sadistic game of cat and rat, why youre not in the casinos playing for real money and making thousands of dollars to help people, and make donations to the institutions of charity as you said before?
You know why! Because you are a compulsive liar who needs attention. People here are already realizing it.
Go out with you HG and make millions!
Now call me a scammer, because is the only thing you have to say about me...
Turbo is NOT a scammer and he is NOT a compulsive liar. You can't call him that. That's too much, over the top!He's just been snookered by an online game. He means well. He and I and others on the forum are kind of playing a game of banter and attacking each other's messages and methods. Attacking the messenger is too much though.
There are a lot of people that feel the same way when they test their systems. They feel they have the holy grail until they realize that they've overlooked a programming bug or have accidentally curve fit their results.
Turbo is a good guy and is not some kind of scammer.
Quote from: The General on Jun 19, 06:42 PM 2018Turbo is a good guy and is not some kind of scammer.
Amen to that!
And by the way, he may not have been snookered by the online game. This could be him playing a game just to have some fun with a little banter.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 05:41 PM 2018Your pictures must represent Rocky 1 - when he lost to Creed.
Not sure about that. He looks pretty happy about losing if that's the case.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 05:41 PM 2018I'll present you with three company stock charts - one is my company and the other two are others.
You cant compare stock charts. Stocks arent random. RNG is.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 05:41 PM 2018The chart that climbs non-stop from the beginning and has never once failed
When you can use very broad betting limits for progression, its not surprising.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 05:41 PM 2018Do actual charts that show results mean nothing because you can't accept I'm right ?
As above.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 05:41 PM 2018I think in this case - "Rocky" got hit a few too many times in the head, but at least he was honest when he was wrong and tried harder to win the next time in the movies. In this case you're wrong and nothing I say or do will change that.
Rocky always wins, eventually. He's the greatest.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 06:08 PM 2018the overall is
EXACTLY the percentage where it should be negative in favor of the casino.
Maybe but it's not taking into account free bonuses and the math of how players can rank higher, is it?
Quote from: The General on Jun 19, 06:42 PM 2018Turbo is a good guy and is not some kind of scammer.
I think he means well. Then I consider points like MPR, his excuses for avoiding MPR, his defense of RS and Parx and ignoring of the math, the likelihood of him doing realistic testing and knowing the results, his reasoning for not winning millions. Overall I think it's clear there is some manipulation, mixed with him believing some of what he says, without understanding his mistakes.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 07:08 PM 2018You cant compare stock charts. Stocks arent random. RNG is.
It shows clearly the results of something working or not working over time.
And no, you wouldn't invest a moment in something that roller coasters into choas, but you certainly would if it produced results that my charts show. It's ok, you can say it.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 07:08 PM 2018When you can use very broad betting limits for progression, its not surprising.
I clearly and obviously don't use those broad limits and stay within normal table limits. If I didn't, my charts would look as insane as theirs. Instead it's a steady uphill climb, predictable and reliable without a single losing session. But no credit to me, I get it.
Since you don't believe it can be done - you don't believe anyone can do it... therefore
you don't believe I did it. That's fine. Proof is what it is, I don't control how people react to it.
Quote from: The General on Jun 19, 06:42 PM 2018Turbo is NOT a scammer and he is NOT a compulsive liar. You can't call him that. That's too much, over the top!
He's just been snookered by an online game. He means well. He and I and others on the forum are kind of playing a game of banter and attacking each other's messages and methods. Attacking the messenger is too much though.
There are a lot of people that feel the same way when they test their systems. They feel they have the holy grail until they realize that they've overlooked a programming bug or have accidentally curve fit their results.
Turbo is a good guy and is not some kind of scammer.
Ahh, so you "defend" me so that in the same post you can be condescending.
Typical "you"... thinking you are somehow superior yet in reality aren't even on the same level as me. At one time you were.
It's funny that I'm told that I have the ego problem, yet you can't resist jumping
in for a pinch of attention at any possible moment. Meanwhile your contribution
to the forums is 0 - if I weren't here I'm positive you would have nothing to say.
The fact that I'm right seems to really get you and Steve worked up. Silly isn't it ?
It's not hard to say someone is right and that you're clearly wrong, try it.
Use a mirror and say it to yourself a few times and then try it out on the keyboard.
It'll work wonders.
So the kid in class waits for the teacher to leave and says... "That guy is ok I guess.. he's cool and all but I don't think he knows what he's talking about, 'cause I'm way smarter than he is" to everyone in the room. Just strange if you ask me.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:26 PM 2018It shows clearly the results of something working or not working over time.
Yes, but it doesnt show WHY something is working. I already explained why.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:26 PM 2018And no, you wouldn't invest a moment in something that roller coasters into choas
Yes I would. I already do. My trading bot has high volume trades and exploits volatility.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:26 PM 2018but you certainly would if it produced results that my charts show
Sure but again, your chart doesnt reveal the WHY.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:26 PM 2018I clearly and obviously don't use those broad limits and stay within normal table limits
How is it clear and obvious? You said you use aggressive progression. If that was the case, you'd have strong ups and downs. Because you have small increments, it's clear your approach is to increase from previous bankroll, then reset.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:26 PM 2018Instead it's a steady uphill climb, predictable and reliable without a single losing session. But no credit to me, I get it.
Yes anyone can do that with a mild progression as explained above.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:26 PM 2018Since you don't believe it can be done - you don't believe anyone can do it... therefore you don't believe I did it.
I can see what you've done. It was done on Parx and RS, and I explained how its no big feat. Beat MPR or another fair and realistic game, then its a different story.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:26 PM 2018Proof is what it is, I don't control how people react to it.
Proof of what exactly? That you can beat Parx and RS and achieve similar bankrolls to other players?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:35 PM 2018The fact that I'm right seems to really get you and Steve worked up
Know what works me up? Stupidity and ignorance. Being blind to facts and verification of those facts, right in front of people's noses. But still they cant see it.
I couldn't care less (<-- see??) if you were winning millions. Great for you. My interest in responding to your claims is so people aren't misled. I dont want to see flat Earthers running around. I would like to see people progress forward. And it starts with simple concepts, simple tests, basic logic.
It also takes the ability to accept being wrong, and accepting that
there just might be ways that you don't know of.
Instead of assuming people are misleading and lying, which is the initial reaction
of course... but if there's no ability to alter that way of thinking, you can't move forward at all - you'll just forever believe there is no way to win that doesn't involve typical AP.
I know for a fact this pisses off the so-called "elite" AP crowd, that's always been clear and obvious.
I'd be mad too if my options were to hunt down bias wheels, take insane amounts of data and have people track numbers and hope to hell the wheel isn't taken offline and all that time and effort is wasted (no, they aren't all over the place to exploit - they are a needle in a haystack).
Or the option is to covertly sneak a computer into the casino (that no one says doesn't work, of course they do.) - and then attempt to win that way without being caught or detected,
or the option is to chart dealers and try to work out their signature over time and knowing that's not very reliable as they can combat that easily.
All these things are great and work - but it takes absurd measures to accomplish.
Anyone who does accomplish this is not going to like whatever I have to say.
Now some jackass posts on forums that he can beat ANY wheel, and any RNG using math - of course I'll get stones thrown at me for that. The only people that do that though are the people who depend on their difficult ways to win. How dare someone go around telling people they can WIN and show them steps to accomplish that.
I'd be angry too, I'd call a person like that a liar - misleading and probably some other vulgar names... it's completely understandable.
Then as General would do - post and make it appear that "oh he's just making a mistake". As if after decades and decades of study and testing I'll just "oops" and miss something that shows I was entirely wrong all along. It's a lame attempt to discredit what I say and insult me - but from where he's standing, it's impossible that would be insulted. Think about it.
Unreal.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 10:39 PM 2018I dont want to see flat Earthers running around.
Wow, what a topic lol.
It shows though that you don't accept reality and math as well, which is fine.
A photon heading towards Earth would see the earth as flat (actually 15 meters thick).
We don't see it as flat because we are on it and moving at the same speed as the Earth.
You assume that since this is how we see it - that's the only truth there is.
Yet to the photon or anyone moving towards the Earth at nearly the speed of light - the earth is indeed almost flat - this is proven with math and science and calculations.
There can be more than one answer to a question, not just the one you witness.
Science has proven that speed, distance and time are all connected, but you would
argue all day with the photon that the earth is round and be only 1/2 right.
Never mind, that is way off topic but it's fact. Facts aren't relevant to most people.
If someone is ON the earth and says the earth is flat according to their observation of it - then they are clearly ignorant and should be told so, I agree.
But that doesn't mean there aren't circumstances when it can be observed as flat from a different perspective. ugh my head hurts.
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Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018It also takes the ability to accept being wrong, and accepting that
there just might be ways that you don't know of.
I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, if I'm wrong.
What you're not understanding is I understand your logic and mistakes. They are not small and questionable mistakes. They are glaringly obvious, but only to someone who actually understands of course.
Imagine someone told you 1+1=5, and their proof was full of holes and contradictions. Then you showed them.... look, 1 apple plus 1 apple gives us TWO apples, not 5.
Then their response was "oh you just cant admit being wrong". Then all you can do is say "well, you're lost. You've got no idea".
The difference here is the logic is a bit more complicated. But the basics of ignorance are the same.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018there just might be ways that you don't know of.
I'm sure there are. But repeaters is not it. It has been so incredibly tried and tested by myself and others. I'm not going into that again.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018Instead of assuming people are misleading and lying, which is the initial reaction of course... but if there's no ability to alter that way of thinking, you can't move forward at all - you'll just forever believe there is no way to win that doesn't involve typical AP.
No Turbo, read the start of this and the flat Earth thread. I took it all seriously and approached with an open mind. I asked you, and flat Earthers, to prove their hypothesis. I did not come into this with my mind made up. I gave you, and the flat Earthers a fair chance. And in both cases, it reached the point where very clearly it was just hot air. I had an open mind because I know how ignorance works. If your mind is already made up, you reject all the facts. I see it all the time throughout my life. So don't tell me my mind is closed. The simple fact is every piece of information indicated your system is not what you claim.
Remember I went into all this with a high opinion of you. So I was surprised when I saw you had no idea what you were talking about.
And I am not saying traditional AP is the only way. how many times have I explained this. I'm not doing it again.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018I know for a fact this pisses off the so-called "elite" AP crowd, that's always been clear and obvious.
No, it's the people who understand basic math and probability. You dont need to be an AP to be logical. And it's not about "pissing off" people. It's more about pulling our hair out because people overlooking very basic stuff and calling the Earth flat. Yeah it's frustrating. It's like trying to reason with a bowling ball.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018I'd be mad too if my options were to hunt down bias wheels, take insane amounts of data and have people track numbers and hope to hell the wheel isn't taken offline and all that time and effort is wasted (no, they aren't all over the place to exploit - they are a needle in a haystack).
Unless you've actually done modern bias analysis, you wouldn't know it's not quite like that. Bias is it not my preferred method, but it is more about narrowing down wheels with what you see and hear first. It is not about unrealistic amounts of data. It is still viable, and I know this because I know players who still do it. But still there are much better methods.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018Or the option is to covertly sneak a computer into the casino (that no one says doesn't work, of course they do.) - and then attempt to win that way without being caught or detected,
Well I can make easy money, legally. So I do. It shouldn't bother you. Well not easy for development, but thats done now.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018or the option is to chart dealers and try to work out their signature over time and knowing that's not very reliable as they can combat that easily.
Clearly you've only seen very basic approaches.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018All these things are great and work - but it takes absurd measures to accomplish.
Not really. More time consuming, more absurd, and less profitable is a 9-5 job. Work all day to make someone else rich, get paid peanuts, and the tax man takes about a third. Do that for 50 years, then retire old and grey, go to a home and spend what little money you saved for retirement. No thankyou.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018Now some jackass posts on forums that he can beat ANY wheel, and any RNG using math - of course I'll get stones thrown at me for that.
Initially yes. But smarter people will at least hear your logic first, before deciding if what you say is true or false.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018The only people that do that though are the people who depend on their difficult ways to win
No, it's anyone with understanding of the claims, the contradictions and the logic. You don't need to be an AP for that. Is a mathematician an AP? How about a physicist? A statistic student?The list goes on. Practically the whole professional and educated world. The people who dont get it are the gamblers who dont understand, and dont know how to test properly.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018I'd be angry too, I'd call a person like that a liar - misleading and probably some other vulgar names... it's completely understandable.
Angry why? I'm not angry. At most i'm frustrated when some people just dont get it, even when it's all there on their nose.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 10:58 PM 2018Then as General would do - post and make it appear that "oh he's just making a mistake". As if after decades and decades of study and testing I'll just "oops" and miss something that shows I was entirely wrong all along.
You've made numerous clear mistakes. They have been pointed out before numerous times, but it is not being understood.
QuoteNow some jackass posts on forums that he can beat ANY wheel, and any RNG using math - of course I'll get stones thrown at me for that. The only people that do that though are the people who depend on their difficult ways to win. How dare someone go around telling people they can WIN and show them steps to accomplish that.
Turbo,
Unlike you we actually understand the math, and shall we say...been there...done that..long long ago in a galaxy far far away.
When someone like me tells you that you're wasting your time chasing dead ends, it's because I can already instantaneously see all the angles, the flaws and the math that proves it doesn't work. I'm sorry if you're a little slow to the game, but THEMZ JUST THE FACTS. If you don't believe us, then post your system on the wizardofvegas forum. You'll get some truly unbiased opinions by some other very well educated people. However, I doubt that you have the nerve to post there, and I suspect you won't like their responses. ::)
QuoteWow, what a topic lol.
It shows though that you don't accept reality and math as well, which is fine.
When have you ever posted math? That's the biG problem...you don't comprehend it. ::)
I sure hope you're just playing a game and don't believe all of the nonsense that you've written. ::) (And NO I don't think that you're some kind of scammer.)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 11:09 PM 2018It shows though that you don't accept reality and math as well, which is fine.
What math exactly? That you can win but only when your bet selection is random and 1 in 37?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 11:09 PM 2018A photon heading towards Earth would see the earth as flat (actually 15 meters thick).
I wouldnt know. I'm not a photon. Neither are you, as far as I know.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 11:09 PM 2018We don't see it as flat because we are on it and moving at the same speed as the Earth. You assume that since this is how we see it - that's the only truth there is.
I have never seen a round Earth. what I do have is my own observations, which support the notion that Earth is a sphere. I need only look at a full moon and assume our planet is probably also round. That's just one of many examples. Dont get me into a topic about why I believe the Earth is round and not flat.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 11:09 PM 2018Yet to the photon or anyone moving towards the Earth at nearly the speed of light - the earth is indeed almost flat - this is proven with math and science and calculations.
Is this what you heard, or found out for yourself? Your own observations, or someone elses?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 19, 11:09 PM 2018Science has proven that speed, distance and time are all connected, but you would argue all day with the photon that the earth is round and be only 1/2 right.
It's strange you talk of science, then say things like "math beats a math game", when the math clearly demonstrates if spins are random, repeaters change nothing.
We are going in circles again. Turbo there's enough information on this thread from anyone with at least half a brain to decide what to believe. And in the end if you are right and we are wrong, who cares - go win a fortune and make idiots of us.
QuoteIt's strange you talk of science, then say things like "math beats a math game", when the math clearly demonstrates if spins are random, repeaters change nothing.
Steve,
I've never seen him post any math, ever. Have you?
That's why I'm always amused by that comment.
No I haven't. Except things like 3 is after 2, 4 is after 3. Also 24 numbers in 37 spins. But nothing that would suggest the odds are changed from 1 in 37. And if its at 1 in 37, then it doesnt matter what he bets. Its still just 1 in 37.
The glaringly contradiction I keep coming back to is he claims to win when spins are completely random. By definition, that means 1 in 37 average win rate. And it makes no difference what numbers won in the past, the repeaters, cold numbers or whatever.
But still... he wins every time.
I just dont buy it.
If he had won large amounts on a realistic simulator, it would have my attention if there were over 10,000 spins and lots of bets. But instead we have "games" with unrealistic betting limits, free bonuses etc. Where there are lots of players doing even better.
Even if you take his words like 2 after 1, 3 after 2 etc..
How can you use that? You can't bet on the past. You are still stuck with the future accuracy which is 1 in 37.
And just because a number won once or twice, you still have 1 in 37 in the future.
Not only is the math absent, so is the logic.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 20, 12:37 AM 2018
Even if you take his words like 2 after 1, 3 after 2 etc..
How can you use that? You can't bet on the past. You are still stuck with the future accuracy which is 1 in 37.
And just because a number won once or twice, you still have 1 in 37 in the future.
Not only is the math absent, so is the logic.
Good morning Steve,
I know what you're Point is, but there Will Always be numbers that hit More above expected then other numbers.
It's up to us to be on that number once it's Starting to seperate itself from the other Group.
Since the earth is rotating the consistent oval-shadow it produces in each and every lunar eclipse proves that the earth is not only round but spherical absolutely, utterly, beyond a shadow of a doubt not flat!
Eddy
yoyo sorry to ask anyone and talk during ur convo. and im unsure how to word it but does anyone know...... in 37 spins.... the usual most numbers that end up drawn are 24 (13 repeats) (at least in the 200 cycles i recorded) second most amount drawn 23/25.....rarely 29 ect..........can anyone give statistics or tell me if.....after the first 18 spins are all unique with no repeaters........ is the final amount of numbers drawn still the same.....it seems when i wait 18 uniques the final amount is higher (lots more 25/26/27) ( rarely 22/23 of which there are lots if u record from spin 1) only plz answer mathemitically or statistically with actual stats and not assumptions if u know thanks!
my assumption is to end up with the final same amount of statistics for example 24,25,23,22,24,29,28 will match however long u wait....it doesnt seem the case when lots of repeaters early end up with less total drawn numbers,,,,,,,,
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 20, 01:33 AM 2018but there Will Always be numbers that hit More above expected then other numbers.
Yes, but you dont know WHICH with any accuracy better than 1 in 37.
And when you do know, it's too late. You can assume they will continue to hit above average, or that they will go cold. You'll be right about some, wrong about others. The average is still 1 in 37. Nothing changes.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 20, 01:33 AM 2018It's up to us to be on that number once it's Starting to seperate itself from the other Group.
Once it has started, it already too late. And until that point, one number is no different to any other. And after that point, any number is STILL no better than another. Again stuck at 1 in 37.
Just remember, we are always stuck at 1 in 37...... UNLESS we have clues to predict which numbers are MORE LIKELY TO HIT, and we need to know that BEFORE the spin.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 20, 01:39 AM 2018Since the earth is rotating the consistent oval-shadow it produces in each and every lunar eclipse proves that the earth is not only round but spherical absolutely, utterly, beyond a shadow of a doubt not flat!
But what if the aliens erected is really, really big shade cloth in the shape of a circle? You're in on the whole round Earth thing, aren't you??
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 20, 01:56 AM 2018the usual most numbers that end up drawn are 24
It varies. Like in 10 spins, usually you'll have around half red half black (excluding 0). You still can't use this "average". Because you are still stuck with a 50/50 chance of predicting the right colour.
The math of a number repeating is 1 in 37, because there are 37 pockets. Then once two numbers appear, there's a 2/37 chance of a repeat. Which one? Both equally likely.
If you have 4 unrepeated numbers, and 1 repeated number, that's 5 numbers in total (6 spins). The chance of a repeat is then 5/37. Which ones? The "hottest" number, or one of the single hit numbers? Well the chances are:
One of the single hits: 4/37
The "hot" number: 1/37
But the odds of any of these numbers spinning next is STILL 1 in 37. Why? Because there are 37 pockets.
It's really simple math.
I had some spare time today. This might help:
Cheers Steve for ur answer...my question tho mainly is ".after 37 spins the most common is 24 numbers however it varies eg sometimes 20 sometimes 29 or more....if I wait 18 uniques at the end are there still similar results...because I'm getting to many 26/27/28 finishes after waiting 18 uniques then when I go from spin 1= could be co incidentally tho
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 20, 03:22 AM 2018
Cheers Steve for ur answer...my question tho mainly is ".after 37 spins the most common is 24 numbers however it varies eg sometimes 20 sometimes 29 or more....if I wait 18 uniques at the end are there still similar results...because I'm getting to many 26/27/28 finishes after waiting 18 uniques then when I go from spin 1= could be co incidentally tho
Look at Notto's KTF, it shows where uniques and repeaters show best.
Anas, read my earlier post. The 24 numbers is really old news and you can't use that. Its just basic probability. Read what ive written and save time. Or not.
Ok that's fine. so there's nothing u can do with law of third of the 24 numbers thing? And if I wait for ten uniques of twenty uniques I will still end up with 24.as the most common total.thanks.
Has anyone on this forum ever beaten a million spins betting every spin and come out ahead......I don't care their system just curious .....and if a system came out half a million points + but had huge 3000+ downswings is that considered holy grail what u call it. Has turbo genius showed a substantial sized amount of spins graph again I don't mind the actual system
with realistic betting limits, and bets on that many spins, not that i know of.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 20, 06:30 AM 2018
Has anyone on this forum ever beaten a million spins betting every spin and come out ahead......I don't care their system just curious .....and if a system came out half a million points + but had huge 3000+ downswings is that considered holy grail what u call it. Has turbo genius showed a substantial sized amount of spins graph again I don't mind the actual system
A million consecutive spins isn't practical in the real world, even online that's almost 40 days of 300 spins per hour, 24 hours per day. That wouldn't include food or bathroom breaks. You can never look past your current session.
Anyone who has access to only a double zero wheel has no hope right? when u buy rx tester is it simple or do u need programming experience..... Are they reliable
Well, there are two alternatives. Either he's a sociopath who likes attention and be idolized fooling people >:D or he's being fooled by the game itself. He tries to help people but he did not realize that he is being fooled. ;)
Or both...
Nothing more to say here! :thumbsup:
TGFT
The answer to this whole debate is actually very simple:
TURBO WHY DON`T YOU JUST BEAT MPR AND PUT AN END TO IT ALL?
So what if Steve is then able to figure out your playing style, it will only be him and I am sure he will be gentleman enough to admit defeat and be discreet about your playing style.
Just thinking of the new members joining this forum in a years time as they won`t have fun catching up on a 1000 page thread... :twisted:
Quote from: ZERO on Jun 20, 11:57 AM 2018
The answer to this whole debate is actually very simple:
TURBO WHY DON`T YOU JUST BEAT MPR AND PUT AN END TO IT ALL?
So what if Steve is then able to figure out your playing style, it will only be him and I am sure he will be gentleman enough to admit defeat and be discreet about your playing style.
Just thinking of the new members joining this forum in a years time as they won`t have fun catching up on a 1000 page thread... :twisted:
NO NEVER DO THAT !!!Steve can go fark himself for all whoever cares.
NEVER EVER FALL INTO THIS SCUMBAG TRICKSTERS TRAP !!!
1. He already tried, and lost. With 2 accounts.
2. Now he makes every excuse and effort to avoid mpr.
3. You are on moderation. Calling me a scumbag trickster for creating a free realistic simulator/game for members here does not make me a scumbag trickster. If i wanted to steal repeaters systems, i would save video of sessions like rs does, where turbo incredibly prefers for the privacy of his system. Cant figure it out?..
4. Ive already offered anyone who can beat rng $100k, which is more than any legitimate offer I've seen. But turbo says he only wants to win small amounts with his hg, and seems to prefer testing on proven unrealistic games for fun money. Besides, turbos system is far from the hg. Anyone paying attention would know that now.
This is getting interesting!
There must be a way for someone to prove he has a winning system without revealing everything.
Quote - 4. Ive already offered anyone who can beat rng $100k, which is more than any legitimate offer I've seen. But turbo says he only wants to win small amounts with his hg, and seems to prefer testing on proven unrealistic games for fun money.
I cannot believe someone only wants to win small amounts. How about the charities, hospitals schools etc etc.
So what is the $100k challenge? Come on Turbo, take him up on the challenge! After all the denials he has posted about the possibility of your system, wouldn't it give you satisfaction?
The main issue with all this turbosmus is that the concept is f***** up!
how can one win with a bad concept? noway ...thats not possible unless he works for a house!
Quote from: Steve on Jun 20, 01:59 PM 2018You are on moderation. Calling me a scumbag trickster
what about "Dingo shagging drongo"
Can I say that?
Quote from: ZERO on Jun 20, 11:57 AM 2018So what if Steve is then able to figure out your playing style, it will only be him and I am sure he will be gentleman enough to admit defeat and be discreet about your playing style.
Ummm. sure. lol
Quote from: cht on Jun 20, 12:11 PM 2018NO NEVER DO THAT !!!
No worries, I don't intend to unless there's a good reason to. And I can't think of much that would be worth giving that kind of info out.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 20, 01:59 PM 20181. He already tried, and lost. With 2 accounts.
Nope, I never used a HG on the one account and the other account was made (just as I told you again and again) to figure out how the cheating was going on, which I did. Then told you about it and how they were doing it - and I assume it's fixed now. But hell, whatever.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 20, 01:59 PM 20184. Ive already offered anyone who can beat rng $100k
Is that the one I read about (or was it Wizard's challenge) where you have to beat like a million spins and then do it two more times and provide the full explanation so that it can be coded (coughs) or something along those lines ?
What exactly are you paying out 100k for ? I need specifics and it would be by my rules, not absurd millions of spins. We all know (who know math) exactly how many combinations there can be and how many spins specifically it would take to test a specific way of playing (it requires no "Spins" at all, it's just math - a wheel or RNG isn't needed to prove a thing - that's how I can rightly claim my results are true as it handles all of the possible outcomes. But anyway, I'm not against taking your 100k and giving it to charity.
(Damn, I have to find a woman named Charity now.... lol).
Quote from: cht on Jun 19, 12:56 AM 2018I won't respond to your valid question for obvious reasons - this is as far as I will go on forums.
One of the smartest posters in this thread.
Someone who's been listening and actually gets it - gets how and why it works.
Cheers. Keep at it.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 20, 07:04 AM 2018A million consecutive spins isn't practical in the real world
You are missing the point of large volume testing. More data = more assured. Such testing is both practical and necessary with automated software like Roulette Xtreme. It virtually eliminates the possibility of short term variance/luck. If you are stuck thinking "but i dont need a system to win over that many spins", you are stuck in classic fallacy again.
Quote from: ZERO on Jun 20, 11:57 AM 2018So what if Steve is then able to figure out your playing style
I already know his working principles. He has revealed more than enough for anyone to see, then test to know better.
Quote from: ZERO on Jun 20, 11:57 AM 2018it will only be him and I am sure he will be gentleman enough to admit defeat and be discreet about your playing style.
I would be. I'm an honest person.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 20, 06:06 PM 2018I never used a HG on the one account
You tried to rank first and didnt use your best system? Nonsense. But you used it on RS where you sessions are video recorded.
The loophole you found allowed cheating the bankroll, not the win rate. And yes that is fixed.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 20, 04:08 PM 2018What exactly are you paying out 100k for ?
To buy the system.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 20, 06:06 PM 2018I need specifics and it would be by my rules, not absurd millions of spins
What are your rules?
And what's wrong with coding RX to test your system properly over a large amount of spins?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 20, 06:06 PM 2018We all know (who know math) exactly how many combinations there can be and how many spins specifically it would take to test a specific way of playing (it requires no "Spins" at all, it's just math - a wheel or RNG isn't needed to prove a thing - that's how I can rightly claim my results are true as it handles all of the possible outcomes
You've proved many times you don't understand the math.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 20, 06:06 PM 2018But anyway, I'm not against taking your 100k and giving it to charity.
Ok so let's talk terms. I propose you code your system into RX.
1. First you can test on a spin file I provide. If you beat that, lock your system in an encrypted file.
2. I move the funds to escrow and you can see they exist.
3. I provide another spin file, and you test with that too. If results are positive:
4. We unlock the system file and test both sets of spins. And if both show the same results, payment is released to you.
Sound fair?
A neutral member here can control the escrow and verify the results. Then you get paid US$100,000.
Sound good? Nice and fair? Ready to proceed?
What other terms would you like?
I'll code it for 10G's with a legal written promise never to use it or share it.
You still get 90 grand Turbo, what d'ya reckon?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 20, 07:08 PM 2018To buy the system.
Ahh understood, sorry I was mistaken.
I thought it was a challenge as in - you would give such a prize to someone who could prove beating roulette, but it is a purchase in which case it makes no sense to continue.
I can make that amount using it myself and on the way to doing that.
Shame the real world works slower than "turbo" mode online and RX.
But with the decreased speed and allowing the bankroll to grow over time, it will get there and well beyond that. I'm patient.
My "real" play balance will never be a point of interest anyway - it won't be "enough spins" unless I could play millions of spins over the remainder of my life (lol). I don't need to do that - just math.
Thanks for clearing it up though, makes sense - just not interested.
Ok turbo, lets make ir just a challenge and i never get the system. But there still must be a way to verify the same system is applied for both sets of spins.
Although you already avoided the challenge with excuses about combinations and complexities that make coding in rx impossible.
How peculiar, though expected.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 20, 06:14 PM 2018
One of the smartest posters in this thread.
Someone who's been listening and actually gets it - gets how and why it works.
Cheers. Keep at it.
Thanks for the confirmation.
This is my personal opinion.
Yes you have told everything there is on the forums.
And no most people will not get it. Mostly due to the manner you told it.
I don't think forums is the correct place to reveal it.
I think you know this by now.
In any case, if you chose to share with the world your ideas, the proper way is to write a book.
That's what I recommend you to do.
About this silly challenge, just walk away. It proves nothing really.
It's time
YOU put an end to this. Walk away dude !
PS. steve I apologise for the earlier comment I made. Pls delete it
PPS I will slide back to the rock where I came from after this post. :)
Quote from: Taotie on Jun 20, 08:23 PM 2018
I'll code it for 10G's with a legal written promise never to use it or share it.
You still get 90 grand Turbo, what d'ya reckon?
I wouldnt hold my breath Taotie. Just like MPR, any excuse.
People here are wasting too much time talking to Hannibal from roulette (tg)... Lol
If you know what I mean...
Exactly!
That’s crazy, turbo’s pants are being hung on his fans‘s balconies, everyhere !
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 20, 10:44 PM 2018People here are wasting too much time
I thought you said "thats my last word on it"
What others do isnt your concern.
Just dont read the posts. Block it...block Turbo.
Is this hundred k sht for real iv beat phenominal samples bet each spin??.not that I would even attempt cus I don't believe any gamblor has a hundred k or the wzard of cynicism either.... Is it just a trap to knick someone's method...hundred k Lmao.
My mate just beat a hundred k real spins into his rx...are u ready to hand it over? He can post a graph of a million bets ?? All played that comes out + ....are u for real ??
Actually I need to do more tests if that's just wizrd of odds.he will rig the tester anyway and take anyone method wizrd of odd such a tosser thinks everything is math he can Suk me ...forget it.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 21, 05:55 AM 2018
I thought you said "thats my last word on it"
What others do isnt your concern.
Just dont read the posts. Block it...block Turbo.
I've changed my mind
and what I decide and do isn't your concern too. :xd:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 21, 07:13 AM 2018I've changed my mind
and what I decide and do isn't your concern too.
Children, so hard to deal with them sometimes.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 07:29 AM 2018
Children, so hard to deal with them sometimes.
Yes and when they really dont wanna do something, but dont want to reveal why, they’ll make the darnest excuses
Did you read that, psicho HG boy?
Turbo sounds like the belle of the ball, and he refused to dance with some, so they attack him like a jilted lover. That's the amusing analogy I picture reading some pists. LOL
Forgive me if rude... But why does anyone even entertain the idea turbo g banger can have a grail if he hasn't showed u a big sample of spins that real that's ended positive ? Even if he talks wisdom all day.no graph no way..lol
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 21, 07:13 AM 2018and what I decide and do isn't your concern
lets see eh?
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 21, 09:26 AM 2018
Forgive me if rude... But why does anyone even entertain the idea turbo g banger can have a grail if he hasn't showed u a big sample of spins that real that's ended positive ? Even if he talks wisdom all day.no graph no way..lol
There is no point in a million spin test, over a million spins all the numbers will equal out , to a point, they should all show up 27027.027 times each, they will be close to that but some will be less, some will be more, because they are randomly dropped they won't all hit exactly 27027.027 times each. Within that 1,000,000 spin sample you may get numbers not hitting 800 times in a row, you may get the same number hit 80 times in a row. That variable randomness is what Turbo means (In my opinion of it) when he says random beats random, because they are randomly dropped, he can beat it. If it were fixed numbers, anyone could see the math and beat it, but since they are random, they won't all show up equally in equal spaced increments, so Turbo is exploiting that.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 21, 09:26 AM 2018
Forgive me if rude... But why does anyone even entertain the idea turbo g banger can have a grail if he hasn't showed u a big sample of spins that real that's ended positive ? Even if he talks wisdom all day.no graph no way..lol
"You don't know someone, till you know what they want" -Cormac McCarthy
Take a moment, and consider the fact that the owner of the world's most popular Roulette Forum, who claims to have a winning method/computers (which he sells), is arguing publicly with a member, who claims to have a winning method (that he doesn't sell) over the veracity of said method.
In theory, for some, Roulette is a business...............for others, a hobby.............and for most, a fantasy.
In practice, sometimes all three look identical. :thumbsup:
Law, it takes a narrow & uninformed mind to think my intentions here are all about selling something. I've explained my intentions very clearly before. I dont want my forum to be full of ignorance. I want it to contain accurate and beneficial information, not the losing approaches everyone should know have been tried a billion times before. Computers arent even a consideration in it. Really, I have enough money and dont give a flying fornication if you or anyone doesnt like the idea of them.
Every professional in the gaming industry, every statistician, mathematician, etc agrees with me. They understand the logic and math of why turbos approaches are nonsense. Are they all just helping me sell computers?
Do you understand the flaws in Turbo's logic and approaches? Or do you really think he can beat roulette only when it's unpredictable and random, with 1 in 37 odds and 35-1 payout?
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 21, 01:10 PM 2018There is no point in a million spin test
You still aren't understanding this point.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 21, 01:10 PM 2018If it were fixed numbers, anyone could see the math and beat it, but since they are random, they won't all show up equally in equal spaced increments, so Turbo is exploiting that.
Really? So when streaks of reds/blacks occur, they wont repeat the same "spaced increments", and anyone can use that to beat roulette?? So do it.
... or maybe the space may be longer, or shorter than you expect. Or maybe exactly the same. Who knows. 1 in 37.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 21, 07:28 PM 2018Every professional in the gaming industry, every statistician, mathematician, etc agrees with me.
That's entirely not true, it's your opinion and you assume that they do.
You'll never see past 1 spin. Repeaters are therefore useless in a world where nothing repeats and each spin is it's own event, while a session or group of spins is meaningless and holds no information at all. It's a flaw preventing you from seeing what's possible.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 21, 07:28 PM 2018
Law, it takes a narrow & uninformed mind to think my intentions here are all about selling something. I've explained my intentions very clearly before. I dont want my forum to be full of ignorance. I want it to contain accurate and beneficial information, not the losing approaches everyone should know have been tried a billion times before. Computers arent even a consideration in it. Really, I have enough money and dont give a flying fornication if you or anyone doesnt like the idea of them.
Every professional in the gaming industry, every statistician, mathematician, etc agrees with me. They understand the logic and math of why turbos approaches are nonsense. Are they all just helping me sell computers?
Do you understand the flaws in Turbo's logic and approaches? Or do you really think he can beat roulette only when it's unpredictable and random, with 1 in 37 odds and 35-1 payout?
Then I guess that it's a good thing that I didn't say anything negative about your sales or systems, or did your eyes deceive you Steve?
Careful that you don't see what you want, instead of what is actually posted.
No idea if Turbo's systems are winners, but if you're going to exclude all questionable methods from this board, then you might want to get started immediately, as you have your work cut out for you. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jun 21, 07:32 PM 2018
You still aren't understanding this point.
I understand the point very well, as do others, the point is I know the results. The numbers will gradually even out to become equal the longer the test is. However, within that space and time, the numbers will not be equal as they will ebb and flow towards the equality , that ebb and flow is where the profit occurs.
Really? So when streaks of reds/blacks occur, they wont repeat the same "spaced increments", and anyone can use that to beat roulette?? So do it.
... or maybe the space may be longer, or shorter than you expect. Or maybe exactly the same. Who knows. 1 in 37.
No the increments wont' be the same, as I said, it's not a fixed number. If it was fixed I would know that for example every 20th spin it's going to be number 6 that's dropped.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 07:36 PM 2018That's entirely not true, it's your opinion and you assume that they do.
Name one, which has a formal and verifiable qualification in the field.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 07:36 PM 2018You'll never see past 1 spin.
Turbo I look at both 1 spin and groups of spins. And still your math and logic is full of holes.
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 07:49 PM 2018Then I guess that it's a good thing that I didn't say anything negative about your sales or systems, or did your eyes deceive you Steve?
Go ahead, but say it where its relevant.
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 07:49 PM 2018Careful that you don't see what you want, instead of what is actually posted.
Law, I dont care. This has nothing to do with computers.
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 07:49 PM 2018No idea if Turbo's systems are winners, but if you're going to exclude all questionable methods from this board, then you might want to get started immediately, as you have your work cut out for you.
I ignore almost all of them. I tend to only focus on the ones misleading multiple people, like CEH, Turbo etc. Its a better use of my time. And so is creating a single page to explain the main parts, like :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 21, 07:57 PM 2018No the increments wont' be the same, as I said, it's not a fixed number. If it was fixed I would know that for example every 20th spin it's going to be number 6 that's dropped.
Again you missed it. Anyway just go and make your millions too.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 21, 08:07 PM 2018
I ignore almost all of them. I tend to only focus on the ones misleading multiple people, like CEH, Turbo etc. Its a better use of my time. And so is creating a single page to explain the main parts, like :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
If Turbo's misleading people, then why not just ban him? Either you want him to post or not, but name calling with him comes across as fear, which just gets him more views.
Turbo, if you would be less convincing, then Steve will leave you alone. There, that should settle it! :thumbsup:
To win is a mix of visual b, sneaky progression, probability theory on a single split or line ect if u hyper focus on on element and study large stat samples ull see how ur one split ect behaves and thus during right conditions go well. Certain statistical limit will not cross once u see huge samples... Jus an opinion lol. I agree just be honest if u don't play well and don't tease people that ur about to get a majical Ferrari
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 08:23 PM 2018If Turbo's misleading people, then why not just ban him?
Free speech. I'm relying on people using their brains.
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 08:23 PM 2018Either you want him to post or not, but name calling with him comes across as fear, which just gets him more views.
What names? Misleading? Law, read my earlier post which summarizes everything, then tell me again everything in Turbo's story adds up.
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 08:23 PM 2018Turbo, if you would be less convincing, then Steve will leave you alone. There, that should settle it!
Thats great logic :yawn:
It doesn't get less convincing because I see the holes. Clearly you dont, or dont bother to understand what you're talking about.
If u Gunna bang turbo g banger why not ban the people who are getting worked up without seeing a graph... Who cares how someone else plays.work on ur own method. u can't say either way without evidence right?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 21, 08:57 PM 2018
What names? Misleading? Law, read my earlier post which summarizes everything, then tell me again everything in Turbo's story adds up.
Thats great logic :yawn:
It doesn't get less convincing because I see the holes. Clearly you dont, or dont bother to understand what you're talking about.
First off, please accept my apology for posting the "name-calling" accusation. In reviewing the last dozen pages, I can't find any instance of this from you Steve, so I was mistaken.
Second, your quote: QuoteI ignore almost all of them. I tend to only focus on the ones misleading multiple people, like CEH, Turbo etc. Its a better use of my time. And so is creating a single page to explain the main parts, like :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
Again, perhaps Turbo is wrong, but clearly there is no debate here, as you two won't agree on terms. So it leaves members like me to wonder what your endgame is here. :question:
At some point, all of the fighting looks like it's by design.
link:s://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_packaging_warning_messages
Just a food of thought about where you should not direct your energies.
Steve, have you noticed the correlation between roulette system players and smokers?
Both kill in the long run, yet warning messages do NOT work.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 21, 09:47 AM 2018
lets see eh?
What are you trying to prove putting me in moderate mode? So you're the boss? That you're the boss here? Do not you have arguments? I didnt do anything wrong here and you should not have that kind of attitude with me. I already contribute a lot with this forum providing several strategies.
You're acting like a child if you're avenged that way.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 22, 10:30 AM 2018
What are you trying to prove putting me in moderate mode? So you're the boss? That you're the boss here? Do not you have arguments? I didnt do anything wrong here and you should not have that kind of attitude with me. I already contribute a lot with this forum providing several strategies.
You're acting like a child if you're avenged that way.
Actually you are wrong.
This is a private forum. The owner/admin/moderator can do whatever shit they wish to suit their agenda.
Like you, our sharing of strategies does not make us immune to their whims and fancies. Grow up, get real.
Unless if you are caleb who suits their agenda whose personal abuse is tolerated. :twisted:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 22, 10:30 AM 2018
What are you trying to prove putting me in moderate mode? So you're the boss? That you're the boss here? Do not you have arguments? I didnt do anything wrong here and you should not have that kind of attitude with me. I already contribute a lot with this forum providing several strategies.
You're acting like a child if you're avenged that way.
You arnt on moderate.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 22, 12:29 PM 2018
You arnt on moderate.
So what's that?
Warning Level
30% (being watched)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 22, 12:58 PM 2018
So what's that?
Warning Level
30% (being watched)
30% must be your win rate? (and you are being watched by the casinos) :xd:
who's top of the watched league?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 21, 07:36 PM 2018
That's entirely not true, it's your opinion and you assume that they do.
You'll never see past 1 spin. Repeaters are therefore useless in a world where nothing repeats and each spin is it's own event, while a session or group of spins is meaningless and holds no information at all. It's a flaw preventing you from seeing what's possible.
Never see past one spin? Are you friggin serious! We talk about the long term. You're the one trapped in the short term nonsense crap. LOL!!!
Why is it that you are so certain that you know more than all of these the experts, mathematicians, and even history that are far more educated than you are? ::) HUBRIS
A square Turbo. It's just a square!
... to get back on track of this long debate - between Steve and Turbo -
I really would love to believe what Turbo says, because if true then there is hope that you or I could find his, or a similar, winning system, but my brain believes Steve is right with his 1/37 etc.
So, one question for Turbo please. Can you write some math to prove your system works? No I don't expect you to write it here, of course, but what I mean is are you claiming that it is POSSIBLE to actually put pen to paper and demonstrate proof? Or would it be "proof" within limits (eg an assumption of x repeats in y spins or something like that.)
I will be fascinated by your reply either way...!
Steve, others, and myself have proven that Turbo's basically full of BS.
It all comes down to this.
1. The game is completely random. Turbo acknowledges this much and says that he relies on it.
2. He claims that hot numbers from the past will hit more frequently than the other numbers on future spins even though the game is completely random. We already know that the long term expectation is 1/38 so why would a past hot number be more likely to hit if the game is random?
It's as stupid as debating that water isn't wet.
What we have is a kind of oxymoron. It's absurd! ::)
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 22, 05:10 PM 2018
You can try it all you want, as soon as an imbalance is formed in the set of total numbers your game will always end up winning,
An imbalance ? Can you explain more what you mean?
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 21, 09:17 PM 2018Again, perhaps Turbo is wrong, but clearly there is no debate here, as you two won't agree on terms. So it leaves members like me to wonder what your endgame is here.
We actually agree and say the same thing in different ways, he just doesn't seem to understand that. A player can't win unless they bet on number(s) (predict - if you will) that shows above average. We both agree on this. Hot numbers do this - he doesn't agree.
It's a circle because two people say the same thing yet one doesn't believe what the other is saying is possible to do. It completely is. He says not. There's no getting him to believe that and that's fine, other people get it. The point of my posts are never "How do I get Steve to understand this" - there are a LOT of members here and some do. That's what's important.
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 02:49 PM 2018Steve, others, and myself have proven that Turbo's basically full of BS.
Nope, You and Steve have said it (and leaving out the scammer Andre). So that's two of you, both of which win your own ways with other means and aren't expected to work out how to win in other ways. It's as absurd as a submarine designed telling a aircraft designer that his plane will never fly. Stick with what you know - the sub. Once you start trying to point out that people who see things other than what you do are wrong when they aren't - it just looks bad.
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 02:49 PM 20181. The game is completely random. Turbo acknowledges this much and says that he relies on it.
If the game were not random, I could not win. That is the truth. How that seems silly is beyond me. You rely on non-random (bias/defect) to win. You therefore CAN'T win using a bias wheel approach on a random wheel. We are opposites - both ways work. You don't accept that because all you know is bias. That's fine, stick with it.
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 02:49 PM 20182. He claims that hot numbers from the past will hit more frequently than the other numbers on future spins even though the game is completely random.
I never said past spins matter, I don't rely on past spins to win. I made it clear that "hot numbers from the past" will either stay hot, show at average or go cold. You can prove this to yourself just making a list of the possible combinations of "what can happen".
Cold numbers can stay cold, show at average or go hot. This is common sense, why argue about it. So why would hot numbers from past spins matter to me ? They don't.
You don't pay attention at all.
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 02:27 PM 2018Why is it that you are so certain that you know more than all of these the experts, mathematicians, and even history that are far more educated than you are?
Why is it ? Because it's a fact and reality. Things are discovered and invented every single day - things thought to be true are proven as untrue, things thought to be fantasy are possible. But none of those things matter to someone who isn't open to the truth. They will only understand what they're told and reject everything else. That's fine. Failure to accept new things is just how some people are - just not "most" people. If that were the case we would still be walking everywhere and hitting one another with clubs before returning home to our cave.
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 02:27 PM 2018A square Turbo. It's just a square!
Yes, a square that is defined with math, not "logic" and the complex example I gave you is also geometry but much more complex than your "square", one you understand and one you don't. If you don't understand something - it doesn't make it impossible and it doesn't make people who do understand it stupid.
Come on, T. Wasting your time idling, and for what? Attention? Notoriety? I don't get it.
If you have it, go seize the day. Otherwise, you just come off having ulterior motives (fishing for info). I'd say the latter too...
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 22, 08:39 PM 2018If you have it, go seize the day.
I have been, thank you.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 22, 08:39 PM 2018Otherwise, you just come off having ulterior motives (fishing for info). I'd say the latter too...
Or I could be helping people by pointing them in the right direction and giving as much explanation as I can. Since you assume the "latter"...then don't waste your time reading my posts or this thread. It's simple. I spent 30+ years setting up a scam ?
Damn. That's dedication right there. Like making a sandwich that takes 3 generations to finish before you can eat it lol. (I guess it would be a pretty good 'sammich' - but jeez).
Quote from: The General on Jun 22, 02:49 PM 2018
Steve, others, and myself have proven that Turbo's basically full of BS.
It all comes down to this.
1. The game is completely random. Turbo acknowledges this much and says that he relies on it.
2. He claims that hot numbers from the past will hit more frequently than the other numbers on future spins even though the game is completely random. We already know that the long term expectation is 1/38 so why would a past hot number be more likely to hit if the game is random?
It's as stupid as debating that water isn't wet.
What we have is a kind of oxymoron. It's absurd! ::)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 22, 08:31 PM 2018
I never said past spins matter, I don't rely on past spins to win. I made it clear that "hot numbers from the past" will either stay hot, show at average or go cold. You can prove this to yourself just making a list of the possible combinations of "what can happen".
Cold numbers can stay cold, show at average or go hot. This is common sense, why argue about it. So why would hot numbers from past spins matter to me ? They don't.
You don't pay attention at all.
The first is caleb's counter-argument. The 2nd is TG's response.
I told caleb earlier the same thing.
Both caleb and steve made the same mistaken assumption.
(A lot other members made this mistake. Ofc some are angry or frustrated with TG got this.)
I highlighted this disconnect.
At least steve backed off. He finally realised it.
He proceeded forward to ask the next obvious question.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 19, 12:51 AM 2018
CHT, how are you supposed to predict variance? You can predict an expected range with reasonable accuracy, but you are still stuck with 1 in 37. So your attempts to predict any outcomes based on variance are quite futile.
Ofc no response from me.
But caleb is too dumb to realise it, stuck at this same disconnect junction. What more do you expect from someone who is only about wizardsofodds, google and wiki ?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 22, 10:30 AM 2018
What are you trying to prove putting me in moderate mode? So you're the boss? That you're the boss here? Do not you have arguments? I didnt do anything wrong here and you should not have that kind of attitude with me.
I already contribute a lot with this forum providing several strategies.
You're acting like a child if you're avenged that way.
Andre,
Yes, you have posted several strategies (that you have used yourself) on this forum.
Thanks for your contributions.
In fact, one of your posted strategies is so far proving to be one of the best bet selection strategies ever posted on this forum.
I will post a message about it in the next few days in the appropriate thread.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
QuoteI never said past spins matter, I don't rely on past spins to win. I made it clear that "hot numbers from the past" will either stay hot, show at average or go cold. You can prove this to yourself just making a list of the possible combinations of "what can happen".
Cold numbers can stay cold, show at average or go hot. This is common sense, why argue about it. So why would hot numbers from past spins matter to me ? They don't.
You don't pay attention at all.
Turbo,
It would appear that you have a time traveling problem on your hand and a messy word salad. I have to ask, are you a time traveling robot from the future?
FYI...a hot number can't become hot unless it's hit. And if it's hit and it's hot, then on the next spin it's part of the past. How can a number be considered hot, if it has yet to hit? LOL! ::)
(link:s://:.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/shaking_head_breaking_bad.gif)
Logic, it's always in the way.
I'm sorry Turbo, but I have to ask, do you have a team of comedians writing for you or do you come up with this nonsense all on your own?
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Jun 22, 11:59 PM 2018
Andre,
Yes, you have posted several strategies (that you have used yourself) on this forum.
Thanks for your contributions.
In fact, one of your posted strategies is so far proving to be one of the best bet selection strategies ever posted on this forum.
I will post a message about it in the next few days in the appropriate thread.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thank you, Doc. I'm flattered by your words. You are one of the most experienced players in this forum and you are aware of what you are saying.
Glad to have contributed something useful.
I'll be waiting for your post in a new thread.
Cheers. :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Jun 23, 03:56 AM 2018I have to ask, are you a time traveling robot from the future?
I don't need a time machine to know the future. Please tell Andre to stop reposting everything you post. lol. I mean if I had a follower taking every post I make and then posting it again as if they said it, I'd be annoyed lol.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 12:56 PM 2018
I don't need a time machine to know the future. Please tell Andre the scammer to stop reposting everything you post. lol. I mean if I had a ass kisser taking every post I make and then posting it again as if they said it, I'd be annoyed lol.
Why are you here, Turbo?
Again...
Please, tell me how can you say it's a hot number if it's has not hit yet?
How can you play hot numbers if you say past spins/numbers don't matter?
Just a plain explanation, please.
Some magic? Sixth sense? Lol
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 23, 01:17 PM 2018Why are you here, Turbo?
The most acceptable theory is that sometime in the late 60's my parents decided to conceive a child. 9 months later I arrived into the world - it all involves a sperm and a unfertilized egg joining...... oh hell, I'm not doing this. Here....
link:s://:.webmd.com/baby/understanding-conception#1
If you mean in a philosophical way - you only exist because I do. Therefore "why am I here" is better put as "I am here because Turbo exists". Since this is my reality, there is no proof that if I were to not exist - that you would still exist. So you are here thanks to me. You're welcome. You could study Plato, Plotinus, Aristotle, Descartes - take your pick.
If you mean simply on the forum *more than likely that's what you mean,
then it's because I dedicate my time to helping others.
You've been here well over 7 years (WOW) and have 2 likes.
(not that "likes" mean much, except to make my point in this case)
So WHY ARE YOU HERE ?????????? It appears that there is little interest from
other forum members concerning anything you post.
Maybe you really are here only because I am... whoah... deep....
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 23, 01:30 PM 2018Please, tell me how can you say it's a hot number if it's has not hit yet?
How can you play hot numbers if you say past spins/numbers don't matter?
Just a plain explanation, please.
Some magic? Sixth sense? Lol
Again, it's already been posted.
If you take 1 or 2 steps back from Steve or General's ass you will have ample room to see your screen and read what I've written. Or you can continue harassing people with no purpose in mind.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 23, 01:17 PM 2018
Why are you here, Turbo?
Well, there are two alternatives. Either he's a sociopath and a compulsive liar who likes attention and be idolized fooling people or he's being fooled by the game itself. He tries to help people but he did not realize that he is being fooled. ;)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 01:40 PM 2018
The most acceptable theory is that sometime in the late 60's my parents decided to conceive a child. 9 months later I arrived into the world - it all involves a sperm and a unfertilized egg joining...... oh hell, I'm not doing this. Here....
link:s://:.webmd.com/baby/understanding-conception#1
If you mean in a philosophical way - you only exist because I do. Therefore "why am I here" is better put as "I am here because Turbo exists". Since this is my reality, there is no proof that if I were to not exist - that you would still exist. So you are here thanks to me. You're welcome. You could study Plato, Plotinus, Aristotle, Descartes - take your pick.
If you mean simply on the forum *more than likely that's what you mean,
then it's because I dedicate my time to helping others.
You've been here well over 7 years (WOW) and have 2 likes.
(not that "likes" mean much, except to make my point in this case)
So WHY ARE YOU HERE ?????????? It appears that there is little interest from
other forum members concerning anything you post.
Maybe you really are here only because I am... whoah... deep....
You still have no idea why I'm here? Is this forum this dense? The reason why you are here is not human nature. You are a phony. I'm not. Or are you just trying make friends online?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 23, 01:47 PM 2018
Well, there are two alternatives. Either he's a sociopath and a compulsive liar who likes attention and be idolized fooling people or he's being fooled by the game itself. He tries to help people but he did not realize that he is being fooled. ;)
He just wants to be loved, for crying out loud! I can tell by the way he called me out.
Guys,
I'm still trying to find out what's up with Turbo's time traveling hot numbers. You the one's that aren't hot in the past because they haven't hit yet.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 23, 02:13 PM 2018You still have no idea why I'm here? Is this forum this dense?
I just took the time to read each and every post you have made here.
Interesting.
Turbo,
Enlighten us about the time traveling hot numbers.
(link:s://hygo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Time-Travel.jpg)
How do they become hot if they haven't hit in the past?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 02:43 PM 2018
I just took the time to read each and every post you have made here.
Interesting.
If you are honest with yourself, you'd have the same mindset as me. So... who are you and what is your goal here? Just trying to figure out how much in common we might have.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 23, 02:57 PM 2018
If you are honest with yourself, you'd have the same mindset as me. So... who are you and what is your goal here? Just trying to figure out how much in common we might have.
But hey, whatever reality you want to instill onto yourself is fine by me.
This is a good post that's relevant to this thread.
"i'll give you a clue sergio. hot numbers are good yes, but hot groups are better." --------Bombus of GF
Turbo has more than spelled it out for everyone to figure it out for themselves without giving it away. It's actually quite clever, but simple and elegant once you see how things fit. Some will get it right away, some will never figure it out. Some have such a narrow vision that all they can see is that and never expand their mind to what actually is possible. Others will just basically attack since Turbo won't share what he has discovered. Again, he has given more clues than he should have. Reread everything and come to your own conclusion. It works, it works very well and it works like clockwork, session after session, after session.
Nimo,
Why isn't it working for you on the MPR?
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 23, 03:35 PM 2018
Turbo has more than spelled it out for everyone to figure it out for themselves without giving it away. It's actually quite clever, but simple and elegant once you see how things fit. Some will get it right away, some will never figure it out. Some have such a narrow vision that all they can see is that and never expand their mind to what actually is possible. Others will just basically attack since Turbo won't share what he has discovered. Again, he has given more clues than he should have. Reread everything and come to your own conclusion. It works, it works very well and it works like clockwork, session after session, after session.
The guy just seems to blase about defending his honor. Come on. Steve basically calling him out and he's still cool as a cucumber. I'd be insulted if I was called out.
Quote from: The General on Jun 23, 02:48 PM 2018Enlighten us about the time traveling hot numbers.
Time travels forward - hot numbers will happen without the need for a "time machine".
Past spins, past hot numbers are irrelevant since I was not there to bet on them. Clearly that makes them useless to me.
In the theoretical sense - if a person had a time machine, traveled to the future 10,000 spins and saw which number hit the most, then came back and flat bet that number - they would still lose to the house edge because the number of wins needed to overcome the imbalanced payout wouldn't exist even with the hottest number.
However, if you could travel back and forth say 50 spins and then bet in each instance whatever the hot number was for those spins, the chart would climb forever.
Now think how this is possible to do without a time machine, you'll get it. Or won't.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 23, 02:57 PM 2018Just trying to figure out how much in common we might have.
It appears a great deal in common. But how that relationship works out is yet to be known.
Turbo,
How do you know if a number is hot before you bet on it? Lol!
Again, a logic problem for ya!
Quote from: The General on Jun 23, 03:41 PM 2018
Nimo,
Why isn't it working for you on the MPR?
I don't play MPR. I play for real money on William Hill RNG
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 23, 03:35 PM 2018Again, he has given more clues than he should have....-..... It works, it works very well and it works like clockwork, session after session, after session.
I've gotten enough emails saying the same thing. Basically to stop posting about it and that too much was said already. Which is fine. The General and Steve will post anti-"whatever I say" comments and I could just post more and more specifics but that would be bad for everyone, truly. That's why I just tell people to read what's put out already and think. If they don't want to, it's fine. I won't keep arguing with people who are entertained because I argue with them.
Quote from: Moxy on Jun 23, 03:41 PM 2018
The guy just seems to blase about defending his honor. Come on. Steve basically calling him out and he's still cool as a cucumber. I'd be insulted if I was called out.
He knows what he has. He doesn't need to react to anything. I'll defend him for posting what he has. It's making me a lot of money.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 23, 03:45 PM 2018
I don't play MPR. I play for real money on William Hill RNG
Nimo,
You're a smart guy, right?
Question, how do you determine if a number is hot if you don't use past spins?
Quote from: The General on Jun 23, 03:49 PM 2018
Nimo,
You're a smart guy, right?
Question, how do you determine if a number is hot if you don't use past spins?
Reread what Turbo posted, it's all right there in black and white, connect the dots.
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 23, 03:52 PM 2018it's all right there in black and white, connect the dots.
Be prepared to be insulted and called names. It's ok though, welcome to the club lol
It appears that Nimos is Turbo's Nord VPN I'd. Lol!
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 03:55 PM 2018
Be prepared to be insulted and called names. It's ok though, welcome to the club lol
How much is it really worth to you? You're not on the same wavelength as most would. One of two things: Altruism (and you are legit) or you're just basically riding the wave (attention + notoriety + long term variance) right now and bringing some neophyte fans along the way.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 03:55 PM 2018
Be prepared to be insulted and called names. It's ok though, welcome to the club lol
I doubt anyone here could match the names I've been called before. I was married to walking, cursing thesaurus. LOL
Quote from: The General on Jun 23, 04:21 PM 2018
It appears that Nimos is Turbo's Nord VPN I'd. Lol!
I'm from Canada, I live in Canada. Was born and raised here. I don't look Nordic as my background is western European.
Just because you don't understand what Turbo is saying, you automatically think that someone defending him would be him or an ally with a VPN? I have nothing to hide. Send me a pm, I'll give you my email, my email address has my full name in it. I have shared it with others on the forum.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 03:42 PM 2018
Past spins, past hot numbers are irrelevant since I was not there to bet on them. Clearly that makes them useless to me.
You can enter the casino and look for the hot numbers. What's the difference you already be in the casino or you enter the casino and look at the last spins?
Man, you can fooll some people here, not me.
Turbo statement:
I never said past spins matter, I don't rely on past spins to win. I made it clear that "hot numbers from the past" will either stay hot, show at average or go cold. You can prove this to yourself just making a list of the possible combinations of "what can happen".
Cold numbers can stay cold, show at average or go hot. This is common sense, why argue about it. So why would hot numbers from past spins matter to me ? They don't.
He contradict himself all the time.
Pay attention, people!
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 23, 05:06 PM 2018I'm from Canada
Correct from your ip which isnt a proxy
Perhaps turbo drives to canada each time...not!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 23, 05:30 PM 2018
Turbo statement:
I never said past spins matter, I don't rely on past spins to win. I made it clear that "hot numbers from the past" will either stay hot, show at average or go cold. You can prove this to yourself just making a list of the possible combinations of "what can happen".
Cold numbers can stay cold, show at average or go hot. This is common sense, why argue about it. So why would hot numbers from past spins matter to me ? They don't.
He contradict himself all the time.
Pay attention, people!
Now compare the two statement:
Past spins, past hot numbers are irrelevant since I was not there to bet on them. Clearly that makes them useless to me.No my question;
Please, tell me how can you say it's a hot number if it's has not hit yet?
How can you play hot numbers if you say past spins/numbers don't matter?
Just a plain explanation, please.
Andre
You are getting close to trolling
Turbo has said he wont reply.
Give it a rest or I will give you a rest
You are already watched which is like a yellow card.
Careful how you respond
Quote from: Turner on Jun 23, 05:49 PM 2018
Careful how you respond
I'm just trying to show the people the contradictions.
But it's ok
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 23, 05:52 PM 2018
I'm just trying to show the people the contradictions.
Yeah right.....the peoples poet.
The People have the same rights to post ad you do. Let them decide for themselves.
I am acting on a Report to Moderator raised by one of 'the People"
Quote from: Turner on Jun 23, 05:49 PM 2018
Andre
You are getting close to trolling
Turbo has said he wont reply.
Give it a rest or I will give you a rest
You are already watched which is like a yellow card.
Careful how you respond
Never shown a yellow card to steve . Why is that? He has done more than andre. Bashing almost 2 yr with his 1/37 stick with personal insult calling scicopath. Did he get any medical confirmation?
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 23, 05:42 PM 2018
Now compare the two statement:
Past spins, past hot numbers are irrelevant since I was not there to bet on them. Clearly that makes them useless to me.
No my question;
Please, tell me how can you say it's a hot number if it's has not hit yet?
How can you play hot numbers if you say past spins/numbers don't matter?
Just a plain explanation, please.
By past spin he means the spins before he start playing. Within the session he didnt consided the spin past although technically it can be past spin.
Quote from: The General on Jun 23, 03:49 PM 2018
Nimo,
You're a smart guy, right?
Question, how do you determine if a number is hot if you don't use past spins?
I dont believe that after two years u still didnt get the point wht turbo tried to say.
U r just making fun
Quote from: Madi on Jun 23, 06:09 PM 2018
By past spin he means the spins before he start playing. Within the session he didnt consided the spin past although technically it can be past spin.
"I never said past spins matter, I don't rely on past spins to win. I made it clear that "hot numbers from the past" will either stay hot, show at average or go cold. You can prove this to yourself just making a list of the possible combinations of "what can happen".
Cold numbers can stay cold, show at average or go hot. This is common sense, why argue about it. So why would hot numbers from past spins matter to me ? They don't."
Turbo
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jun 23, 06:39 PM 2018
"I never said past spins matter, I don't rely on past spins to win. I made it clear that "hot numbers from the past" will either stay hot, show at average or go cold. You can prove this to yourself just making a list of the possible combinations of "what can happen".
Cold numbers can stay cold, show at average or go hot. This is common sense, why argue about it. So why would hot numbers from past spins matter to me ? They don't."
Turbo
Ye i got ur point. There may be contradiction. But technically we cant stop using past spin within the session.Past and future connected. What is past now might be coming in future
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 03:42 PM 2018
In the theoretical sense - if a person had a time machine, traveled to the future 10,000 spins and saw which number hit the most, then came back and flat bet that number - they would still lose to the house edge because the number of wins needed to overcome the imbalanced payout wouldn't exist even with the hottest number.
However, if you could travel back and forth say 50 spins and then bet in each instance whatever the hot number was for those spins, the chart would climb forever.
Now think how this is possible to do without a time machine, you'll get it. Or won't.
There is no need for a time machine to verify that claim.
You only need a database of 10k spins.
In 10k spins playing the hottest number all along you would not lose exactly at at the 2.7% house edge, since the hottest number deviate from the theoretical expectation.
Just for a reference I have a statistics of 2500 spins. The hottest number hit 91 times.
The theoretical expectation is about 67 times. Even with unfair payout I would win way beyond the expectation.
The problem is that in 50 spins I do not know how to consistently predict the hottest number without knowing the future.
Even if I bet the numbers that appeared more than once, no one can reliably guarantee that it will show up again with better odds than 1 in 37.
In any sequence of two spins a number could potentially repeat and after that the opportunity for profit has already lost.
Quote from: Turner on Jun 23, 05:31 PM 2018Perhaps turbo drives to canada each time...not!
I literally post, get in the car - drive to the small local airport and then fly to Canada (damn, they keep trying to shoot my plane down), then run into a cafe (or whatever they call it up there) and post. It's all true. Then I fly home while being shot at again to reply to myself.
lol
General is a trip, VPN - who does that ??? There's better ways.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 23, 06:09 PM 2018By past spin he means the spins before he start playing. Within the session he didnt consided the spin past although technically it can be past spin.
Thanks. Maybe if two people say it someone will understand that point.
Past spins = spins I never played, I wasn't there. I lost $0 on them and I won $0 on them. They are in no way relevant to me.
Current spins within my session ? Yes. As it plays out they are contained within my current session which I have played and won/lost on.
I mentioned the cold past numbers because a suggestion was posted how to catch numbers becoming hot. If that's the case - for that person, or as a suggestion - find the coldest numbers and bet a progression on them AS THEY SHOW in order to ride at least one of them in the event that at least one shows above average in the future.
There was no contradiction there Andre. (I'm not allowed to call you the "s" word anymore. I'm not sure why - I've been called everything, I call someone who knowingly sells something to desperate people by the definition but fine, it's not my forum. I'll think of a less insulting way to refer to you I suppose... give me time and a good dictionary)
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 23, 08:24 PM 2018
Thanks. Maybe if two people say it someone will understand that point.
Past spins = spins I never played, I wasn't there. I lost $0 on them and I won $0 on them. They are in no way relevant to me.
Current spins within my session ? Yes. As it plays out they are contained within my current session which I have played and won/lost on.
I mentioned the cold past numbers because a suggestion was posted how to catch numbers becoming hot. If that's the case - for that person, or as a suggestion - find the coldest numbers and bet a progression on them AS THEY SHOW in order to ride at least one of them in the event that at least one shows above average in the future.
There was no contradiction there Andre. (I'm not allowed to call you the "s" word anymore. I'm not sure why - I've been called everything, I call someone who knowingly sells something to desperate people by the definition but fine, it's not my forum. I'll think of a less insulting way to refer to you I suppose... give me time and a good dictionary)
Turbo
I wont argue with you any more. We have different views on the way you play.
I know sometimes I've been rude to you and I want to apologize.
I dont know you personally and I believe you can be a nice guy.
Sometimes in life we ​​may all disagree with something. I disagree with you but I hope you really intend to help people in this forum. I want to believe that. It's nothing personal against you.
We all have our problems, frustrations, sadness, loneliness, etc. Many people in this forum may be experiencing financial difficulties and looking for a better life. We should respect each other because we dont know the difficulties that each one is going through.
The world is already full of hate.
Once again I apologize to you.
I wish you all the luck and that you have a life filled with peace, health and happiness.
God bless you!
Sincerely
Andre Chass
Quote from: Nimo on Jun 23, 03:35 PM 2018
Turbo has more than spelled it out for everyone to figure it out for themselves without giving it away. It's actually quite clever, but simple and elegant once you see how things fit. Some will get it right away, some will never figure it out. Some have such a narrow vision that all they can see is that and never expand their mind to what actually is possible. Others will just basically attack since Turbo won't share what he has discovered. Again, he has given more clues than he should have. Reread everything and come to your own conclusion. It works, it works very well and it works like clockwork, session after session, after session.
Yo Nimo I expected you to get it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Madi on Jun 23, 06:04 PM 2018personal insult calling scicopath. Did he get any medical confirmation?
Turbo said himself he has a condition, which is he's a sociopath. I dont think he meant it as a joke. But now he denies it considering it explains his whole charade.
And turbo says he bets on hot numbers as they become hot, but doesnt use past spins. Contradiction. So his bets are based on the future i guess.
In any case, at any point, hot or cold number, any number will spin with same odds either next or near future. It has been tested very extensively.
Turbos claims are full of holes, and all he can do is claim we dont get it. No valid logic, no math, just talk that he has the hg, and lots of holes in his story.
Considering this and more, why would he not face heat over shakey answers of valid questions? There are always 2 sides. Valid questions are justified but being dodged with unverifiable answers.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 24, 04:54 AM 2018
And turbo says he bets on hot numbers as they become hot, but doesnt use past spins. Contradiction. So his bets are based on the future i guess.
In any case, at any point, hot or cold number, any number will spin with same odds either next or near future. It has been tested very extensively.
Turbos claims are full of holes, and all he can do is claim we dont get it. No valid logic, no math, just talk that he has the hg, and lots of holes in his story.
Considering this and more, why would he not face heat over shakey answers of valid questions? There are always 2 sides. Valid questions are justified but being dodged with unverifiable answers.
No Steve, Sorry i didn't Make millions yet :twisted: otherwise i wasn't replying to you.
But even i, Who doesn't know how to profit from turbo's method, understand the basic logic of his method. I Just can't figure out why you don't.
Turbo never said he is betting on Hot numbers as they become Hot!!
How can he? He can't.
Let me try to explain, so Turbo does 't Have to, again....
You bet only on numbers Who have the potential to become Hot!
So, do we bet on numbers that haven't shown? No, we don't.
Do we bet on numbers that Have shown at least once?
Yes! Why? BecUse these numbers Have the potential to become Hot.
When a number is hot when you start to bet on it, it can already be cold again, simple logic Steve.
What are the numbers that bring us profit?
Numbers that opperate above expected!
Do we use past spins? No we don't.
Why? Because we only play present and gambling on future spins.
What are they?
They are numbers that fall from the moment we sit on the Table.
We don't care what numbers Lisa got An hour ago... These are past spins and Have nothing to do with our session, present spins.
See Steve, it ain't that hard.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 24, 05:47 AM 2018What are they?
They are numbers that fall from the moment we sit on the Table.
This isn't past spins?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 24, 05:47 AM 2018See Steve, it ain't that hard.
No, aint.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 24, 04:54 AM 2018
Turbos claims are full of holes, and all he can do is claim we dont get it. No valid logic, no math, just talk that he has the hg, and lots of holes in his story.
He can not even prove his hg on mpr roulette. :o
Quote from: Madi on Jun 23, 06:04 PM 2018with personal insult calling scicopath
Quote from: Steve on Jun 24, 04:36 AM 2018Turbo said himself he has a condition, which is he's a sociopath. I dont think he meant it as a joke.
lol
Yes, a person who lies constantly about everything can't define themselves as a sociopath because.......they would be lying.
It's a paradox, a joke. It went over his head and he ran with it anyway, so did Tony.
Go figure - I got two enemies to agree on something.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 24, 04:54 AM 2018So his bets are based on the future i guess.
YES ! Present spins and future spins that will make up the session that I played.
I can't bet on past spins before I started playing.
I think you're getting it.
Quote from: Lucky7Red on Jun 24, 06:50 AM 2018He can not even prove his hg on mpr roulette.
It would be unwise for me to play it there. And it would not be "proof" of anything.
Remember the comeback for anything that wins.... "Not enough spins"....
I don't know how much Time i need to slap you in the face, before you understand :lol:
I find it so heard, that even a Guy like me with only very Basic knowledge of roulette, understand the basic logic in turbo's method.
No, i don't know 100% how i need to play it, but atleast i Have the basic understanding to it and understand what he writes.
You can't win on numbers that are performing below average. past spins Mean notjing. it's All about here, now and the future. i only win on numbers that are hit More then they should. In
Theost foolish thing you could do in roulette is to bet on numbers that aren't showing! Hey Steve, don't Tell me you didn't know this too! Time i Will learn it or build my own Version of it, because of the simple fact, that Turbo has reached me to look Different at roulette then i did before. Now that's something Most of you (Steve, General etc) Will never do or learn. There Comes a Time, i'm pretty sure in the the not so distant future, that you Will All say, mmmm that Turbo Guy was Right All along, why didn't i See it sooner! Wish you All a happy sunday.
Mr turbo and Mr jek can I ask how u bet on what numbers are performing ok and at the same time past spins mean nothing :wink:
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 24, 09:17 AM 2018
Mr turbo and Mr jek can I ask how u bet on what numbers are performing ok and at the same time past spins mean nothing :wink:
Betting only on numbers once they show. Some of them Will turn Hot while others remain either performing on average or they become cold.
You can't be 100% sure wich numbers Will go Hot and Keep performing above average. We only need to be Right on a few of them. And when you throw in an agressive progression, the previous losses Will be vanished and you won't be playing at the House Edge anymore, when they get hit. As for past spins; when you sit at the Table and number 1 Comes out, that is you're present spin, numbers that come out after that are future spins.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 24, 09:43 AM 2018
Betting only on numbers once they show. Some of them Will turn Hot while others remain either performing on average or they become cold.
You can't be 100% sure wich numbers Will go Hot and Keep performing above average. We only need to be Right on a few of them. And when you throw in an agressive progression, the previous losses Will be vanished and you won't be playing at the House Edge anymore, when they get hit. As for past spins; when you sit at the Table and number 1 Comes out, that is you're present spin, numbers that come out after that are future spins.
So you sit down, and do you start betting as soon as the first present number comes out? Or do you wait until you see a number hit above normal? Are you betting consistently the whole time or taking breaks to wait for numbers to start hitting more often? Does the amount of numbers bet keep changing as new numbers come out? What is the max limit of numbers bet? What is the progression and when do you begin progressing?
If these questions have been discussed and answered already I apologize and could someone link me or help me find some of these answers or clues if you could, thanks.
Quote from: Gandhi on Jun 24, 02:45 PM 2018
So you sit down, and do you start betting as soon as the first present number comes out? Or do you wait until you see a number hit above normal? Are you betting consistently the whole time or taking breaks to wait for numbers to start hitting more often? Does the amount of numbers bet keep changing as new numbers come out? What is the max limit of numbers bet? What is the progression and when do you begin progressing?
If these questions have been discussed and answered already I apologize and could someone link me or help me find some of these answers or clues if you could, thanks.
You can test with 2-3 repeats of a dozen excluding zero. There's only so many ways of playing hot dozens and trying to get to 2-3 repeats, including all the scenarios you mentioned. And that's a microcosm of hot numbers. Unfortunately, all break even in the long run. So if TG can beat the house then he must be using some other concept that he hasn't disclosed.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 24, 09:43 AM 2018Betting only on numbers once they show
Again, this isnt betting on past numbers, right? :thumbsup:
Can someone point me in the right direction as far as the strategy Turbo plays? Not so much the system, but the idea behind it
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 24, 08:30 PM 2018
Can someone point me in the right direction as far as the strategy Turbo plays? Not so much the system, but the idea behind it
Basically he plays hot numbers. He claims to not use past spins at all. Basically he bets that some numbers will be hot, and stay hot, but does it without considering hot or past spins are :thumbsup:
By playing repeaters using a progression, is this a way to keep variance in check enough to overcome house edge?
One way to reduce variance is cover more numbers. But this wont eliminate the house edge at all.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 24, 08:34 PM 2018
Basically he plays hot numbers. He claims to not use past spins at all. Basically he bets that some numbers will be hot, and stay hot, but does it without considering hot or past spins are :thumbsup:
Think of it this way....
Study 10k roulette results each in increments of 37 spins.
Get the averages of what happens
now without knowing the future you already know what happens most.
24 numbers show up so clearly 12/13 numbers are not being played. SO right here alone is it possible to improve your chances just by getting 1 maybe 2 hits within 37 spins ???
12 numbers will repeat!!!!!!!! I repeat 12 NUMBERS REPEAT!.......so of the 24 numbers that came out 12 of them hit more then once!!!!!!!
You dont need all the numbers to win to come out on top within 37 spins!
Those who dont get it havent tried it out on paper. If you actually sit there and try it, then things will be clear on this concept.
Steve you enjoy the back and forth!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 24, 11:26 PM 2018
Think of it this way....
Get the averages of what happens
now without knowing the future you already know what happens most.
24 numbers show up so clearly 12/13 numbers are not being played. SO right here alone is it possible to improve your chances
Those who dont get it havent tried it out on paper. If you actually sit there and try it, then things will be clear on this concept.
Nope won't improve your chances because you have no way of knowing which 24 will show the most. ::). After a number has hit you have no way of knowing if it will go cold or remain hot.
Sorry.
Is the probability for a total showing of 20 numbers .after 20 unique spins the same as the probability for 20 numbers right from spin one.( either repeats happen early or all repeats after spin 20)
If all my cycles results was with twenty unique I was +5000 on paper.howvever I try to play real and got way more 26.27.28 than when I do the paper test from spin one...26-27-28 ect occured more often after twenty uniques...its quite complex. Question but would have a mathematical probability
Again, the number of pockets is the same at each spin, regardless of what has hit in the past. The number of pockets determines the probability of winning, not the past numbers.
Its fully true that its individual events that are unrelated
But I have a feeling the probability is different for my question which was unrelated to the individual events thing.in the same way that the probability is greater for u to see two blacks in a row than ten ( 1/1300 approx for ten ) spin for spins odds are fixed tho.agreed
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 25, 12:00 AM 2018
Its fully true that its individual events that are unrelated
Consequently looking for unique numbers is pointless.
Again I agree..but my actual question hasn't been attempted to answered .just shunned.not that I care cus the formula would be difficult. Cheers tho lol :wink:
It goes around in circles. For those that apparently do understand Turbo's secret, they aren't winning millions and neither is Turbo. Why?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 24, 11:26 PM 2018
Think of it this way....
Study 10k roulette results each in increments of 37 spins.
Get the averages of what happens
now without knowing the future you already know what happens most.
24 numbers show up so clearly 12/13 numbers are not being played. SO right here alone is it possible to improve your chances just by getting 1 maybe 2 hits within 37 spins ???
12 numbers will repeat!!!!!!!! I repeat 12 NUMBERS REPEAT!.......so of the 24 numbers that came out 12 of them hit more then once!!!!!!!
You dont need all the numbers to win to come out on top within 37 spins!
Those who dont get it havent tried it out on paper. If you actually sit there and try it, then things will be clear on this concept.
Steve you enjoy the back and forth!
He his right I explained this on my 37 back to basics thread..I did want to give an example but struggling how to give it..not that I can’t ..it’s how to put it without giving away the vaddis bet or something very similar to it
Quote from: The General on Jun 25, 12:03 AM 2018
Consequently looking for unique numbers is pointless.
Says the person that can’t do it :yawn:
You won’t be using the same tone if you knew how to make money with it.
You invested so much time and years perfecting your wheel tracking and there’s a way to beat the game by using math 🤦â€â™,ï¸
I feel your pain! Well atleast it’s not to late, you can always learn by being open minded.
I know each spin is 1in 37 and the pay out is 1/35. I know each spin is independent from the next spin.
So if I know all this and I know we can’t beat the game. Then tell me why just tell me why....?
Turbo can win within 37 spins using repeats
Vaddi can win within 37 spins using repeats AND uniques
Reddwarf can win in 6 spins using unique numbers
Priyanka can win in 9 spins using red/black
Dyksexlic can win in 37 spins using the pigeon hole
All this using the same concepts and ideas! Just because you track repeats doesn’t mean you have to play them. There are other ways to play unique numbers all you need is to think.
So to everyone still searching... take it step by step and don’t worry what the Experts say because you don’t know what you don’t know!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 25, 02:40 AM 2018
Says the person that can’t do it :yawn:
You won’t be using the same tone if you knew how to make money with it.
You invested so much time and years perfecting your wheel tracking and there’s a way to beat the game by using math 🤦â€â™,ï¸
I feel your pain! Well atleast it’s not to late, you can always learn by being open minded.
I know each spin is 1in 37 and the pay out is 1/35. I know each spin is independent from the next spin.
So if I know all this and I know we can’t beat the game. Then tell me why just tell me why....?
Turbo can win within 37 spins using repeats
Vaddi can win within 37 spins using repeats AND uniques
Reddwarf can win in 6 spins using unique numbers
Priyanka can win in 9 spins using red/black
Dyksexlic can win in 37 spins using the pigeon hole
All this using the same concepts and ideas! Just because you track repeats doesn’t mean you have to play them. There are other ways to play unique numbers all you need is to think.
So to everyone still searching... take it step by step and don’t worry what the Experts say because you don’t know what you don’t know!
Are you saying General and steve is the expert ?
Wow ! Both of them have brain washed forums to pose as math experts.
No sarcasm attack.
Ask General/steve to declare at what level did they study math. High school, undergrad, Masters, Doctorate ? Lets all find out if wizardofodds, google, wiki is accurate or not. (no worries, we believe you.)
I did applied physics at RMIT, with intention of helping my energy research. But i quit for a few reasons. Mainly it was only teaching me text book stuff i could learn for myself in a fraction of the time without any syllabus, which i have. But ultimately what i wanted to learn isn't taught in any mainstream educational institution.
Turbo, i have some simple questions.
Does your method use past spins to determine where to bet and how much?
If not, then how is the future used to determine bets?
It's a black and white question. Please be clear and specific.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 05:24 AM 2018
I did applied physics at RMIT, with intention of helping my energy research. But i quit for a few reasons. Mainly it was only teaching me text book stuff i could learn for myself in a fraction of the time without any syllabus, which i have. But ultimately what i wanted to learn isn't taught in any mainstream educational institution.
Turbo, i have some simple questions.
Does your method use past spins to determine where to bet and how much?
If not, then how is the future used to determine bets?
It's a black and white question. Please be clear and specific.
Thank you.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 05:24 AM 2018
I did applied physics at RMIT, with intention of helping my energy research. But i quit for a few reasons. Mainly it was only teaching me text book stuff i could learn for myself in a fraction of the time without any syllabus, which i have. But ultimately what i wanted to learn isn't taught in any mainstream educational institution.
Turbo, i have some simple questions.
Does your method use past spins to determine where to bet and how much?
If not, then how is the future used to determine bets?
It's a black and white question. Please be clear and specific.
Maybe you should define "past spins" more clearly. You and turbo do not mean the same thing.
Turbo: past spins are spins i have not played.
Steve: past spins are spins that have happened.
Maybe you just like to ignore that statement from Turbo and keep hammering on your vision on past spins. But maybe you can choose to accept his vision on past spins and move on...
QuoteSo if I know all this and I know we can’t beat the game. Then tell me why just tell me why....?
Turbo can win within 37 spins using repeats
Vaddi can win within 37 spins using repeats AND uniques
Reddwarf can win in 6 spins using unique numbers
Priyanka can win in 9 spins using red/black
Dyksexlic can win in 37 spins using the pigeon hole
All this using the same concepts and ideas! Just because you track repeats doesn’t mean you have to play them. There are other ways to play unique numbers all you need is to think.
So to everyone still searching... take it step by step and don’t worry what the Experts say because you don’t know what you don’t know!
It's simple. They can't win in the long term. They might get lucky and win in the short term, but none of them can beat the MPR over a statistically relevant number of spins. Maybe you should define "past spins" more clearly. You and turbo do not mean the same thing.
QuoteTurbo: past spins are spins i have not played.
Steve: past spins are spins that have happened.
Maybe you just like to ignore that statement from Turbo and keep hammering on your vision on past spins. But maybe you can choose to accept his vision on past spins and move on...
Turbo makes the shit up on the fly as he goes. That's why he's continually boxed in by the questions. He doesn't have a logical answer. If you keep pressing him he'll just say something absurd like, you can't get two hits until have you have one hit, or that he wins because of randomness, or maybe he'll change it up this time and say something like, because there's water at the bottom of the ocean. LOL!!! ::)
Quote from: The General on Jun 25, 05:39 AM 2018
It's simple. They can't win in the long term. They might get lucky and win in the short term, but none of them can beat the MPR over a statistically relevant number of spins.
But can you and Steve do it? Why don't you show us how it's done?
Quote from: The General on Jun 25, 05:39 AM 2018
It's simple. They can't win in the long term. They might get lucky and win in the short term, but none of them can beat the MPR over a statistically relevant number of spins.
Can you declare at what level did you study math. High school, undergrad, Masters, Doctorate ?
Thank you sir.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 25, 05:38 AM 2018Maybe you should define "past spins" more clearly.
Spins that occured before the wheel spins again.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 25, 05:38 AM 2018Turbo: past spins are spins i have not played.
Steve: past spins are spins that have happened.
Past, present and future have absolute definitions. Either they have or havent happened in relation to the present.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 05:53 AM 2018
Spins that occured before the wheel spins again.
Wow, I never thought that we'd see the day where past spins had to be defined. :twisted:
I can sense that Turbo will likely once again resurrect the Wright Brothers to counter your argument. Some new oxymorons are likely coming as well.
Quote from: RayManZ on Jun 25, 05:42 AM 2018
But can you and Steve do it? Why don't you show us how it's done?
Yes on real wheels, no on RNG.
Quote from: The General on Jun 25, 05:56 AM 2018
Wow, I never thought that we'd see the day where past spins had to be defined. :twisted:
Ive always wanted this forum to be pioneering. Just not that way.
But you can see that Turbo uses a different definition on past spins. So i don't understand why you have to make it so difficult. You understand that i he says past spins he means spins that he did not play...
So both of you can't show how great you are at winning at MPR? But we still have to believe you?
Also turbo has never changed anything he said all these years. He always meant the same. Maybe he used different words to explain the same thing or matter like any patient teacher would do if someone does not understand everything the is explained. You did go to school did you not? Sometimes a teacher uses a different aproaches so someone could understand it better...
170 pages, result achieved =0
Talkshow!
Passion you are not understanding.
(link:s://s8.postimg.cc/aupitenxx/untitled.png)
Only played 1 day (Sunday) - reached 4th with only the 3k sign in bonus, none of the others were needed or used...
Bets never exceeded typical table limits min/max
Magic and Voodoo I know !!!
Past spins ?
I said it before - no one eats a dinner and on the last fork of mashed potatoes says "These potatoes are better than the past dinner" - because it's the same dinner.
Why it's so hard to understand that spins contained within your playing session aren't past spins is beyond me. It's what I always say - the mentality is 1 SPIN and that's it. They don't understand a bunch of spins making up a session (A single session that isn't in the past until you're done playing it.........)
Maybe it's hopeless. Then they want 1,000,000 spins to test something because all of a sudden.... ALL THOSE SPINS matter !!!!!!!!!
Those past spins combined with current spins all make a soup that they think proves something works or not - but those past spins mean nothing lol.
Yikes.
Happy Monday
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 25, 06:48 AM 2018170 pages, result achieved =0
Talkshow!
and clearly and obviously you show up every day to watch it and comment - thereby being part of the "show" you complain about.
And they say I have issues.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 07:11 AM 2018
and clearly and obviously you show up every day to watch it and comment - thereby being part of the "show" you complain about.
And they say I have issues.
Turbo
You are the meltdown talkman
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 25, 07:43 AM 2018
Turbo
You are the meltdown talkman
Roulette bleater keep off the forum and answer you PM's you have an audience to answer, or is it troll
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 25, 07:54 AM 2018
Roulette bleater keep off the forum and answer you PM's you have an audience to answer, or is it troll
Notto i dont wait you to tell me what i have to do, you have been on the blacklist since long time, i can give you last chance so that you can behave normal otherwise i will drop a bucket of bullshit over you
Get on with it dickhead
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 25, 08:52 AM 2018
Notto i dont wait you to tell me what i have to do, you have been on the blacklist since long time, i can give you last chance so that you can behave normal otherwise i will drop a bucket of bullshit over you
Last chance. I put you on watched. Careful how you reply
Quote from: Turner on Jun 25, 10:47 AM 2018
Last chance. I put you on watched. Careful how you reply
It's goin' great around here guys :thumbsup: Keep up the good work. :yawn:
Quote from: Turner on Jun 25, 10:47 AM 2018
Last chance. I put you on watched. Careful how you reply
No come on tuner
He provoked me !
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 25, 06:12 AM 2018
I still do not understand why controversy is sought over what Turbo says ...
This forum is roulette or is to attack and confuse people about the people who really. Try to help with information?
Leave so many nonsense and share your ways or try to give clues as Turbo and others, because your game bores.
Or you do not have how to give information because you can not win as those who gave information huh? People want to learn and move forward because it is a forum to share ideas, if they want to judge, they were wrong forum, go to some lawyers and judges, but help if they know, but do not continue with that because they only divert the topics and do not help nothing. :thumbsup:
You are quite the tool. You've opportunistically agreed to a tidy sum to reverse engineer his method just recently and now you're offering that particular input on the matter, i.e., sharing is caring, need more input Turbo. Come on, bro.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jun 25, 06:12 AM 2018
I still do not understand why controversy is sought over what Turbo says ...
This forum is roulette or is to attack and confuse people about the people who really. Try to help with information?
Leave so many nonsense and share your ways or try to give clues as Turbo and others, because your game bores.
Or you do not have how to give information because you can not win as those who gave information huh? People want to learn and move forward because it is a forum to share ideas, if they want to judge, they were wrong forum, go to some lawyers and judges, but help if they know, but do not continue with that because they only divert the topics and do not help nothing. :thumbsup:
Passion,
I really wouldn't be surprised to find out that you were Turbo. He isn't here to help, he's here to play a game of cryptic messages, oxymorons and clues. It's bizzare how people like you believe otherwise, which is why I think you are part of the weird game. It's hard to believe that anybody would fall for his absurd nonsense.
PassionRuleta
Bankroll? prog ? so what do you recommend, thanks.
Quote from: The General on Jun 25, 02:10 PM 2018I really wouldn't be surprised to find out that you were Turbo. He isn't here to help, he's here to play a game of cryptic messages, oxymorons and clues. It's bizzare how people like you believe otherwise, which is why I think you are part of the weird game. It's hard to believe that anybody would fall for his absurd nonsense.
If so many people "fall for it" don't you ever have to stop and think that maybe YOU are the one who's wrong, and maybe it's not nonsense after-all ? No, you don't seem capable of that line of thought. Instead everyone is wrong and being foolish.
You could use the same energy working it out.
Steve - you keep saying "Go out and make millions".
So as the "head" computer guy and with General as the "head" bias guy -
two ways that work and work very well - why aren't YOU two out making
millions ?
Clearly no one (AP) is doing this. I know the story is that bias wheel players
and discreet computer users make a killing but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Sure there is the "stories" of big wins against casinos - but it's not common at all.
It certainly should be !!! With advantages that you two alone have - why aren't you both
making "millions" ?
To the readers, it looks as if this HUGE advantage you guys have doesn't really pay off very well.
I'd also love to start a thread about AP players and the huge effort they have to go through when in reality they could make more money, easier and reliably doing it a different way.
(Has anyone watched "Escape Plan" ?) But that's for another day.
Caleb just needs to feel in control. No proof of anything he says....and he lampoons Turbo for no proof.
Sad...transparent...totally predictable.
The AP doth protest too much, methinks
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 07:09 AM 2018Only played 1 day (Sunday) - reached 4th with only the 3k sign in bonus, none of the others were needed or used...
Bets never exceeded typical table limits min/max
Magic and Voodoo I know !!!
Still wasting time winning fun money? Who are you trying to convince? Nobody, right? If you want to impress people, do it with real money.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 07:09 AM 2018Past spins ?
I said it before - no one eats a dinner and on the last fork of mashed potatoes says "These potatoes are better than the past dinner" - because it's the same dinner.
Stupid answer to a clear and simple question. Looks like dodging the question. Because you know if you say you're using past spins, we can prove your "hot numbers" method does not change the 1 in 37 odds, and ultimately your bet selection is the same as random. So instead you give a deliberately unclear answer.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 07:09 AM 2018Why it's so hard to understand that spins contained within your playing session aren't past spins is beyond me
Because you aren't giving a clear answer, likely deliberately. Your bets are based on recent winning numbers within your playing session, right? Hence the term "hot numbers". That's past spins, so why not just say it?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 07:09 AM 2018It's what I always say - the mentality is 1 SPIN and that's it
Actually no, I'm thinking of BOTH the next spin, AND any spins in the near or distant future. The math of it still starts from the amount of pockets on the wheel. So any combination of winning numbers is 1 in 37, then 1 in 37, then 1 in 37 etc. And you think the 1 in 37 giving us eventual repeaters and "hot numbers" is something other than very basic probability.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 07:09 AM 2018Then they want 1,000,000 spins to test something because all of a sudden.... ALL THOSE SPINS matter !!!!!!!!!
Yes, proper testing matters. Start with the principle that supposedly changes the odds. But your approach falls flat from the beginning.
Turbo, your answer is probably the most evasive I've seen yet. I understand you're in a corner but it's beneficial for everyone if you give black and white answers instead of vague nonsense.
I think repeats have everything to do with past numbers, as they are based on facts surrounding a sequence of any numbers - past, present or future. Let's use this dozens example (excl. zero):
I blindly look back on the marquee and find a number (9) that is dozen 1:
1...
Now I have 33% chance for dozen 1,2 or 3 some 10 spins later...
11...
or
12...
or
13...
However, since 2/3 dozens don't match the earlier dozen 1, there is a 66% chance the dozen will be different to any past dozen I decide to put in front of the latest dozen (unless they were not randomly generated):
12...
or
13...
Now I've got 2 past dozens (taken from any number sequence - here generated by the roulette wheel).
Again, there's 33% chance we can get dozen 1,2 or 3 next spin, but when I put it after 2 previous unique dozens from the past I get a 66% chance of matching one of them - simply by the laws of number sequences (combinatorics) and natural patterns:
121
122
131
133
So the repeat has nothing to do with prediction. It's a completely different phenomena... but it's based on past spins!
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 05:17 PM 2018don't you ever have to stop and think that maybe YOU are the one who's wrong, and maybe it's not nonsense after-all ?
I gave it careful consideration, just like I did with flat Earth theory. But when literally every fact indicates Earth is round, and your bet selection is no better than random, at some point I have to call it for what it is.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 05:17 PM 2018Steve - you keep saying "Go out and make millions". So as the "head" computer guy and with General as the "head" bias guy -
two ways that work and work very well - why aren't YOU two out making
millions ?
What makes you think I'm not? You at least vaguely know how computers work. And my teams beat almost every wheel with at least a 20% edge. Do the math. Although I dont play much anymore. Mostly I just watch live video of my players winning in casinos.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 05:17 PM 2018Clearly no one (AP) is doing this.
Not sure about that one.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 05:17 PM 2018Sure there is the "stories" of big wins against casinos - but it's not common at all. It certainly should be !!!
A lot more common than you obviously know. There are few stories because most APs stay under the radar, for obvious reasons.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 05:17 PM 2018I'd also love to start a thread about AP players and the huge effort they have to go through when in reality they could make more money, easier and reliably doing it a different way.
Ok you do that. And the APs will show clear and verifiable proof of effectiveness, instead of vague evasive answers like yours. And I'm not sure I go through a huge effort to beat wheels. I can literally beat almost every wheel with my eyes closed.
Hi Steve, one last thing to consider about the flat earth, but I won't discuss it or argue about it as I don't want to upset anyone or get banned. However, you are welcome to discuss by PM (same goes for anyone else).
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/ulsmxw6u3/sun-moon-ratio-full.png)
Again, I won't answer any questions about this meme or the flat earth here to avoid disruption.
Back to repeats and past spins, which is good to discuss...
I just spun number 7 - dozen 1 again:
1
Now the properties of that dozen 1 has everything to do with whatever past number sequence I decide to put in front of it:
2 1... here it's a unique
12 1... here our 1 is a 1st repeat
1231 1... here our 1 is a 2nd repeat
So it all depends what past spins you take in order to determine whether something has repeated or not. Again, cannot be used for prediction.
So what's the difference, if any, between constantly betting the same 2 dozens or trying to follow a past number sequence that requires different dozens but still results in break even? That's the question I think we need to focus on. Maybe TG has a winning method, but he doesn't understand how it works.
Falkor, the moon orbits earth so an eclipse is not improbable at all. The distance of the moon clearly varies too, which is why most eclipses are only partial. Total eclipses are more rare but remember the moon goes around and around, and is bound to block the sun sometimes. And no, I don't think realistically it is a hologram.
Because of perspective and varying distances, the moon may sometimes appear the same size as the sun. And you know, you can see the moon is round, and the sides of it too. So it's clearly round too. What makes our planet so special it needs to be flat? You have been duped by fake news.
Again, you posted bad logic from flat earthers. I didnt remove moderation for this. You had ample time to give you best evidence and gave nothing valid to substantiate your theories. Now please let's move on.
Hehe,
Is this related to flat-betting theory?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 08:19 PM 2018the moon goes around and around, and is bound to block the sun sometimes.
the ball goes around and around and is bound to land on your number sometimes.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 25, 08:08 PM 2018Again, I won't answer any questions about this meme or the flat earth here to avoid disruption.
It is truly astounding and damn near impossible how the math works out
when you calculate the size, distance of the sun from earth and the size, distance of the moon from earth.
The odds of this happening are mind blowing.
The sun being 395 times the size of the moon (damn near exactly) AND
395 times farther away then the moon (damn near exactly).
As far as we know, nowhere in the universe is this repeated. ANYWHERE.
The moon rotates at EXACTLY the same speed as it takes to go around the earth - (synchronous rotation) so it revolves itself 1 time exactly as it revolves 1 time around the earth. Amazing math coincidence I suppose. Go figure. The odds of it are off the scale of possibility. Cool topic all in itself.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 10:18 PM 2018
It is truly astounding and damn near impossible how the math works out
when you calculate the size, distance of the sun from earth and the size, distance of the moon from earth.
The odds of this happening are mind blowing.
The sun being 395 times the size of the moon (damn near exactly) AND
395 times farther away then the moon (damn near exactly).
As far as we know, nowhere in the universe is this repeated. ANYWHERE.
The moon rotates at EXACTLY the same speed as it takes to go around the earth - (synchronous rotation) so it revolves itself 1 time exactly as it revolves 1 time around the earth. Amazing math coincidence I suppose. Go figure. The odds of it are off the scale of possibility. Cool topic all in itself.
Finally... I think the first person ever to admit he understands (though I think everyone understands in secret but too painful to admit).
"It is truly astounding and damn near impossible how the math works out
when you calculate the size, distance of the sun from earth and the size, distance of the moon from earth.
The odds of this happening are mind blowing.
The sun being 395 times the size of the moon (damn near exactly) AND
395 times farther away then the moon (damn near exactly).
As far as we know, nowhere in the universe is this repeated. ANYWHERE"AND"The moon rotates at EXACTLY the same speed as it takes to go around the earth - (synchronous rotation) so it revolves itself 1 time exactly as it revolves 1 time around the earth. Amazing math coincidence I suppose. Go figure. The odds of it are off the scale of possibility. "IN THE SAME SYSTEM!
Quote from: Steve on Jun 25, 07:41 PM 2018A lot more common than you obviously know. There are few stories because most APs stay under the radar, for obvious reasons.
Therefore we must assume their amazing claims are valid because............
A few of them can actually do it I suppose...I'm 100% sure those few individuals have no reason to frequent internet roulette forums.
Then again a few people have just had amazing luck and won 300 or 400 or 500 million $ lotteries as well by chance alone - and they face the odds of winning vs losing that make roulette look like a ant compared to a elephant.
But any systems players or people who use methods to win reliably over time
are treated like an absurd Bigfoot sighting ? It's impossible ? Strange.
How about considering that it's possible ? No ? Just a thought.
My point was that of course those AP players never have to prove their claims
at all - and they shouldn't. But anyone working on systems is just a clown and uninformed - or lost in fantasy. It's amazing.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 25, 10:25 PM 2018IN THE SAME SYSTEM!
It is truly one astounding math coincidence (I use that word to please both sides lol).
It's impossible yet it's there. Also fun is that the planets orbit the sun - but the sun actually orbits a position quite far away from it's center. Science teaches us one thing - we don't know a damn thing when it comes down to it. Everything that was "fact" for centuries is being proven wrong, and every day we have to change what the facts are as we learn more.
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Kind of like roulette - where everyone will state what "experts" have said over and over - that it can't be beaten with math or a system. But hey, the experts are the experts I guess.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 10:28 PM 2018
Therefore we must assume their amazing claims are valid because............
I'm someone doing it. And i manage, and taught other players also doing it. If you dont believe it, it's not hard to learn even basic vb to understand for yourself it aint rocket science.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 10:28 PM 2018Then again a few people have just had amazing luck and won 300 or 400 or 500 million $ lotteries as well by chance alone - and they face the odds of winning vs losing that make roulette look like a ant compared to a elephant.
Huh? Lottery is a bit different to roulette.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 10:28 PM 2018But any systems players or people who use methods to win reliably over time are treated like an absurd Bigfoot sighting ? It's impossible ? Strange.
Reliably? Like your MPR results?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 10:28 PM 2018How about considering that it's possible ? No ? Just a thought.
I already know your approach doesnt work because I've done my own testing of the same theories, and so have many others.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 10:18 PM 2018when you calculate the size, distance of the sun from earth and the size, distance of the moon from earth. The odds of this happening are mind blowing. The sun being 395 times the size of the moon (damn near exactly) AND 395 times farther away then the moon (damn near exactly).
Actually the odds arent low at all. Perhaps you just dont understand the variables. I know you dont believe what falkor is saying but you are twisting information to make what point? That there's more to the story? You already gave everything needed to know your theory is incorrect.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 10:28 PM 2018But anyone working on systems is just a clown and uninformed - or lost in fantasy. It's amazing.
Not exactly. Everyone learns at their own rate, and virtually everyone needs to experience the constant "back to the drawing board" situation. The problem with you is your math and logic is backwards and incorrect. You're allowed to be wrong. Just be more careful about what you claim is the truth, as you can easily mislead newer players.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 10:28 PM 2018
Therefore we must assume their amazing claims are valid because............
A few of them can actually do it I suppose...I'm 100% sure those few individuals have no reason to frequent internet roulette forums.
Then again a few people have just had amazing luck and won 300 or 400 or 500 million $ lotteries as well by chance alone - and they face the odds of winning vs losing that make roulette look like a ant compared to a elephant.
But any systems players or people who use methods to win reliably over time
are treated like an absurd Bigfoot sighting ? It's impossible ? Strange.
How about considering that it's possible ? No ? Just a thought.
My point was that of course those AP players never have to prove their claims
at all - and they shouldn't. But anyone working on systems is just a clown and uninformed - or lost in fantasy. It's amazing.
Turbo,
How about that challenge?
AC?
NY?
Vegas?
Bahamas?
When, where?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 25, 10:35 PM 2018
It is truly one astounding math coincidence (I use that word to please both sides lol).
It's impossible yet it's there. Also fun is that the planets orbit the sun - but the sun actually orbits a position quite far away from it's center. Science teaches us one thing - we don't know a damn thing when it comes down to it. Everything that was "fact" for centuries is being proven wrong, and every day we have to change what the facts are as we learn more.
..
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Kind of like roulette - where everyone will state what "experts" have said over and over - that it can't be beaten with math or a system. But hey, the experts are the experts I guess.
Would you have spoken like this before you found the HG? Or has the HG freed your spirit in such a way where you are not afraid to now speak so openly? My guess is that you've met some powerful people since discovering the HG that has changed your perspective?
Quote from: The General on Jun 25, 10:44 PM 2018
Turbo,
How about that challenge?
AC?
NY?
Vegas?
Bahamas?
When, where?
Lets assume u both r playing in steves kitchen in a challange of 5 days play(8hr a day)
General win $9000(3 times)
Turbo win $3000
Does it prove that turbos system doesnt work? He is also winning.
The challange would be turbo will lose at house or more and u ll be at plus.
This 2 time 3 times doesnt make sense.( ofcourse 1 is smaller than 3 times)
Miyao
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 25, 08:08 PM 2018
So what's the difference, if any, between constantly betting the same 2 dozens or trying to follow a past number sequence that requires different dozens but still results in break even? That's the question I think we need to focus on. Maybe TG has a winning method, but he doesn't understand how it works.
What’s crazy is it all goes back to non random events. Just a different aspect of it.
Non random leads to break even! Unless you can find a way to play within that game.
Best explanation create a world with cycles. Then within this world find a game based on what happens.
The answers were right in front of us!
Good morning.
Guys, for once listnen.
The numbers that Have fallen within your playing session are not past numbers!
No go out and play.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 26, 01:22 AM 2018The numbers that Have fallen within your playing session are not past numbers!
So the numbers in your playing session are not in the past? That means your "numbers and playing session" are in the future. So you are trying to predict future hot numbers. I wonder how your bet selection works, without considering past spins. :lol:
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 01:27 AM 2018
So the numbers in your playing session are not in the past? That means your "numbers and playing session" are in the future. So you are trying to predict future hot numbers. I wonder how your bet selection works, without considering past spins. :lol:
No Steve, you don't read :yawn:
Again, the numbers that are falling in my playing session are not past spins, and No Steve, they are not in the future !!!!
They fall in the present!
Man, i can See why Turbo is bouncing is head against the Wall All the Time :question:
Past spins are spins that happend before i Walk into the casino ! Why is this so difficult to crasp for Most of you?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 26, 01:10 AM 2018
What’s crazy is it all goes back to non random events. Just a different aspect of it.
Non random leads to break even! Unless you can find a way to play within that game.
Best explanation create a world with cycles. Then within this world find a game based on what happens.
The answers were right in front of us!
As you said both types of games break even, so let's explore the differences....
RandomSession 1: bet 1+3... lose, bet 1+3... lose, bet 1+3... lose, bet 1+3... win!
Session 2: bet 1+3... lose, bet 1+3... win!
Session 3: bet 1+3... lose, bet 1+3... lose, bet 1+3... win!
Non-RandomSession 1: bet 2+3... win, bet 1+2... win
Session 2: bet 1+3... win, bet 2+3... lose
Session 3: bet 2+3... lose
--Random bets the same dozens all the time, and the stats change from numberset to numberset (unstable):
How many losses per session before a win on double dozen 1+3? It varies depending on the dataset.
--Non-Random bets different dozens to a fixed template and results in stable stats.
How many losses per session before 2 wins in a row on a double dozen? It wins 44% of the time - stable across all datasets.
So that's the difference! And we've got several non-random ways of playing TG's method - translated here to dozens - I give two examples:
1... bet 1
12... bet 1+2
123... no bet
1231... bet 1
12312... bet 1+2
123122... 2nd repeat - end session.
or
1... bet 2+3
12... bet 3
123... no bet
1231... bet 2+3
12312... bet 3
123122... 2nd repeat - end session.
Both are following a fixed template based on repeats and uniques - and will result in stable stats - but both will still break even.
According to Priyanka we just have to record a win-loss registry and then try to reduce losses by eliminating "apples and pears". And I think this concept is based on horizontal and vertical as per reddwarf/rrbb's chart:
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/k74u7rfzf/red_spreadsheet.jpg)
So, let's say TG wanted to play only repeats and ignore uniques... he would go with the first type of game (follow the leader). After establishing a new betting plan based on reduction of apples and pears, he could choose to bet uniques when the stats indicate them to be favoured over a repeat - or he just misses out the bet till the post-production template calls for a bet on the repeats, etc. That's probably how TG wins playing multiple repeats. So it's not the hot numbers that would be winning per se. It's supposedly about playing inside a non-random framework and perhaps dodging the variance within a stable session, or so the theory goes.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 26, 02:00 AM 2018No Steve, you don't read
Again, the numbers that are falling in my playing session are not past spins, and No Steve, they are not in the future !!!!
They fall in the present!
I must be so thick. The numbers "in your playing session" are not past spins or even future spins.
How many numbers win on a spin?
Are we talking about roulette?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 26, 02:00 AM 2018Past spins are spins that happend before i Walk into the casino ! Why is this so difficult to crasp for Most of you?
So past spins that happened before you came to the casino are PAST SPINS.
And spins that happened after you arrived, but before you start play, are NOT "past spins"?
I'm not sure the wheel gives a shit when you arrived.
Jek is kidding. For him
Distant past is cosidered as past.
Recent past is not past. But we can undestand that wht he is trying to say
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jun 26, 02:00 AM 2018
No Steve, you don't read :yawn:
Again, the numbers that are falling in my playing session are not past spins, and No Steve, they are not in the future !!!!
They fall in the present!
Man, i can See why Turbo is bouncing is head against the Wall All the Time :question:
Past spins are spins that happend before i Walk into the casino ! Why is this so difficult to crasp for Most of you?
You are confused like I used to be! It goes like this...
You can only bet 1 spin at a time. All spins that haven't shown are in the future. Once a result comes into existence it becomes a past spin - win or lose. However, you can bet for something to happen in the next 2 spins or more:
*I predict more hits of dozen 3 over the course of 2 spins.
*I would like to bet 2 different things will happen over the next 2 spins and stitch them together by only playing the 2nd spin if I win the first.
*I think something will happen in 2 spins, so I miss out the next spin and play the one after that.
That is basically the only control you have over the game, and then all spins become historical past spins.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 26, 02:35 AM 2018Recent past is not past
Past is past, no matter how far back it is. It is not a debatable thing. It's black and white.
Quote from: Madi on Jun 25, 11:19 PM 2018
Lets assume u both r playing in steves kitchen in a challange of 5 days play(8hr a day)
General win $9000(3 times)
Turbo win $3000
Does it prove that turbos system doesnt work? He is also winning.
The challange would be turbo will lose at house or more and u ll be at plus.
This 2 time 3 times doesnt make sense.( ofcourse 1 is smaller than 3 times)
Miyao
I doubt that Turbo could win dirt in the challenge.
Not to mention he wouldn't show up for it in a million years. Neither would anyone else that believes in the system. ::)
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 26, 02:01 AM 2018
Both are following a fixed template based on repeats and uniques - and will result in stable stats - but both will still break even.
The fixed Template is so you can know the limits. But you still need to figure how to play within that template to gain and advantage! I figured out how to not break even anymore and gain an edge.
That's probably how TG wins playing multiple repeats. So it's not the hot numbers that would be winning per se. It's supposedly about playing inside a non-random framework and perhaps dodging the variance within a stable session, or so the theory goes.
TG plays hot numbers based on the distance between hits!
The reason why Steve and anyone else doesn’t get it is because you keep separating the spin!
Once you take the first spin. Every other spin after that is dependent to this result! Yes DEPENDENT!!!
10,23,17
TG came in on the third spin which is 17
That is spin 1!!!
From spin 1 which is 17 to the next 37 spins is a session!
EVERY NUMBER THAT COMES OUT WITHIN THIS IS DEPENDENT TO EACH OTHER WITHIN THIS REALM OF 37 SPINS
This might be hard to comprehend and to learn for you spin by spin experts.
Again I know each spin is independent, but I’m not playing spin by spin and TG isn’t either
Fact - everyone claiming that they beat the game is not playing spin by spin you will lose!!!!!!
QuoteTG plays hot numbers based on the distance between hits!
The reason why Steve and anyone else doesn’t get it is because you keep separating the spin!
Once you take the first spin. Every other spin after that is dependent to this result! Yes DEPENDENT!!!
Ermm nope. The same number of pockets exist at every spin, so each spin is independent. ::)
The distance between hits is like the cycle lengths inside the bigger number cycle, so with dozens we predict the repeat on spin 3, and we can stitch it spin-by-spin:
1... bet 2+3 or don't bet at all = expecting a unique
12... bet 1+2 = repeat
So we got our repeat on the 1s on the 3rd spin as predicted and played it spin-by-spin. Of course what we class as repeats depend on what has come before during the cycle. At the end of the day it's all just break even. It would be nice to get deeper into Non-Random, but all I can say for now is that what happens inside a cycle is governed by stats that are accurate and stable compared to playing random games/sessions. So I think the exploit, if it exists, is based around those fixed stats.
Remember, if I was playing "bet dozen 1+3 after X" outside of a non-random framework I could easily curve fit the results to win for a given dataset, but with Non-Random there's no curve fitting possible - or if we do find a way to curve fit then it will curve fit for all datasets.
Falkor/Turbo,
In the random game, the number of pockets on the wheel at each spin determines the probability of a number winning, correct?
If so, then how could a number possibly reach forward in time, from the past, and change the number of pockets that remain on the wheel?
Logic, it's always in the way! ::)
The gap is still based on past spins. I don't know why this part is not understood.
Quote from: The General on Jun 26, 03:27 AM 2018
Falkor/Turbo,
In the random game, the number of pockets on the wheel at each spin determines the probability of a number winning, correct?
If so, then how could a number possibly reach forward in time, from the past, and change the number of pockets that remain on the wheel?
See my previous quote - we can designate a dozen to be a repeat or a unique by looking at any past spins:
21 = unique
121 = 1st repeat
12131 = 2nd repeat
So we aren't changing the number of pockets/partitions, but we are just establishing an interval/framework on when we change our bets and to what template. Again, no prediction involved - still break even.
You can increase pockets by betting the next 2 spins, but you will increase the house edge in the process:
--Bet Red, if win then bet number 1.
--We are now betting for 1/72 over the course of 2 spins.
Again, break even and an increase in the house advantage. Also, you cannot cover more than about 36/72 pockets at the same time stitching EC and numbers. Dozens and Streets might work better for achieving 72 number roulette.
Roulette is not about 36 numbers though - it's about how to escape break even (and on top of that the added house edge)
Also i dont know of anything turbo said to indicate he looks at gaps.
I already pretty much know his system from the information he gave. But what's more important is the supposed working principles, which aren't better than random. Its actually easy to prove, but he dodges even basic questions then gets all defensive. Again anyone who thinks they know better should just go win.
Quote from: The General on Jun 26, 03:21 AM 2018
Ermm nope. The same number of pockets exist at every spin, so each spin is independent. ::)
Yes the same number of pockets exist each spin. That is correct i am glad you noticed and pointed that out. I would have never thought about that :yawn:
You still dont pay attention... close minded will get you no where
Falkor,
What might help us understand what you've written is if you could provide some examples using some of your colorful tables, charts and graphs.
Please create several large examples.
Maybe...just maybe it will help people like Steve and myself understand what you're saying.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 03:29 AM 2018
The gap is still based on past spins. I don't know why this part is not understood.
If i sit down at the table write down spin 1.... thats my current spin. once i get to spin 10
spin 1 is still my current spin for me because its in my session of 37 spin. No past spins!!!
what is so confusing about that..... you keep arguing the same points and you keep getting answers!
anything before spin 1 is not part of the session because you werent present. Thats past spins for turbo!
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 26, 03:38 AM 2018
Yes the same number of pockets exist each spin. That is correct i am glad you noticed and pointed that out. I would have never thought about that :yawn:
If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel at each spin, then why would the odds change? Afterall, don't the number of pockets determine the odds of a number winning on the next spin, on the next series of spins, and in the long run?Again, logic is in the way!
Quote from: The General on Jun 26, 03:40 AM 2018
Falkor,
What might help us understand what you've written is if you could provide some examples using some of your colorful tables, charts and graphs.
Please create several large examples.
Maybe...just maybe it will help people like Steve and myself understand what your saying.
Which part you need more detail/examples about?
Never mind Falkor
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 26, 03:41 AM 2018
If i sit down at the table write down spin 1.... thats my current spin.
How do you know the first spin without it being the past?
Or dont you agree that the past is something that already happened?
What's your definition of the past?
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 26, 03:41 AM 2018
If i sit down at the table write down spin 1.... thats my current spin. once i get to spin 10
spin 1 is still my current spin for me because its in my session of 37 spin. No past spins!!!
what is so confusing about that..... you keep arguing the same points and you keep getting answers!
anything before spin 1 is not part of the session because you werent present. Thats past spins for turbo!
Right, so they are past spins, but within the current session or frame. In other words, those are the numbers you choose to help determine relationships when playing the next bet. Repeats or Uniques is just a label - neither are better than the other hence results in break even, but we use them to keep within the limits of stable stats.
Quote from: The General on Jun 26, 03:42 AM 2018
If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel at each spin, then why would the odds change? Afterall, don't the number of pockets determine the odds of a number winning on the next spin, on the next series of spins, and in the long run?
Again, logic is in the way!
You can change the odds by stitching 2 spins, but you proportionately change the cost, so is still break even (see previous example about 72 number roulette). So the break even problem is to do with unfair payout odds. I was convinced that we could bet for 2 things to happen in 2 spins and somehow gain edge based on the way we was stitching and expressing our bets, but I don't believe this is possible now as I've never been able to achieve it.
Quote from: The General on Jun 26, 03:42 AM 2018
If the same number of pockets remain on the wheel at each spin, then why would the odds change? Afterall, don't the number of pockets determine the odds of a number winning on the next spin, on the next series of spins, and in the long run?
No one has mentioned Odds
But if you want to get into that, by the way this is general info with some thinking since you guys cant do it yourselves.
The odds for each spin is 1/37...spin by spin
The odds in 37 spins average are .... 24 numbers(12 repeats) and 13 numbers missing
so talk about those odds.... lets say after 24 spins you have 18 numbers plus 6 repeats.
from spin 25 to 37..... based on the overall avg we need 6 more new numbers and 6 repeats.
13 spins... 6 repeats.... how many do you need to win?
if i can just win on 1 repeat, do i beat the odds? Think before you answer......13 spins to complete my session and about 6 will repeat.
what if those 6 repeats only came out 2 in total.... so the math says some will be 3
so 6 numbers in 13 spins ? How many I need to win to beat the odds?
If this doesnt shed light to it the idea for you...I cant help you any further on this subject!
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 26, 03:52 AM 2018
Right, so they are past spins, but within the current session or frame. In other words, those are the numbers you choose to help determine relationships when playing the next bet. Repeats or Uniques is just a label - neither are better than the other hence results in break even, but we use them to keep within the limits of stable stats.
Falkor,
Its hard to help you because you post to much detail in the forum. So this is the best i can give you....
The overall cycles tracking breaks even so you have to play the game within.
the game within will Win/Lose/breakeven
when you're done with you're session your bankroll rises
edit: oh wait i forgot.. there is a hedge bet involved
Each new repeat level takes longer and longer to reach compared to the early repeats. If the 1st or 2nd repeat comes early then the 3rd repeat could take even longer to come - and there's no guarantee the leader will continue to dominate. You could stop on 1 repeat or increase to 2 or more repeats, but the problem is that if the leading hot numbers reduce in dominance then you can reach the table limits if you are still betting to try to catch the next repeat. That's with a progression, and flat-betting is just losing sessions over and over and breaking even. Even if you keep reaching the house limits you still break even in the long run. There's no way of reacting to hot and cold and escaping break even. I don't think Non-Random works like that.
I don't think there is a sub-game - or it breaks even too. I think playing your own game is trying to come up with a template that doesn't predict anything or react to any triggers. It's about creating a break even game with fixed stats and then looking back at reducing apples and pears. Using positions, parallel streams and the like simply allows us to create different kinds of break even games/templates that we can use for post-processing.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 26, 04:18 AM 2018
Each new repeat level takes longer and longer to reach compared to the early repeats. If the 1st or 2nd repeat comes early then the 3rd repeat could take even longer to come - and there's no guarantee the leader will continue to dominate. You could stop on 1 repeat or increase to 2 or more repeats, but the problem is that if the leading hot numbers reduce in dominance then you can reach the table limits if you are still betting to try to catch the next repeat. That's with a progression, and flat-betting is just losing sessions over and over and breaking even. Even if you keep reaching the house limits you still break even in the long run. There's no way of reacting to hot and cold and escaping break even. I don't think Non-Random works like that.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 26, 04:25 AM 2018
I don't think there is a sub-game - or it breaks even too. I think playing your own game is trying to come up with a template that doesn't predict anything or react to any triggers. It's about creating a break even game with fixed stats and then looking back at reducing apples and pears. Using positions, parallel streams and the like simply allows us to create different kinds of break even games/templates that we can use for post-processing.
There is clearly a way if i found it...
i'll make a new thread and post something in a few days using vdw, ill use just low and high EC bet.
I wont use a parallel game. I'll do 5 sessions of 100 spins
Well, Priyanka and Red referred to "a game within a game", but to me it seems like the reducing of apples and pears is their sub-game - really an extension of the main game. Priyanka described some other templates as games within games, but they are just single games/templates IMO:
QuotePlaying just R and B will always result in that 50% scenario. If we need to get ahead of that scenario, we need to figure of ways of staying ahead and play multiple games within a game. An example of playing multiple games here could be
1. Instead of 9 spins, take 27 spins. You could play 3 alternating games. Play 1st, 4th.....25th spins as one game, 2nd, 5th...26th spin as one game and so on.
2. One game is a straight RB game. Other could be a series and singles game on RB (single is one outcome and series is another outcome, these two we can look for AP). Play these games alternatively.
But this is just one game or a series of games!
QuoteWhat is a game? There a several definitions, but all agree that games have rules and goals.
Most common roulette game
After reading many posts, i conclude that the standard game definition is most common: goal is to "predict" the next number spun, or the next number characteristic spun. I think it to be common knowledge (by now) that this is a losing game proposition
Other games
1. 3 dimensional tic-tac-toe (we have 4 3x3 planes)
2. 2 dimensional tic-tac-toe, we play on a 3x3 field per field we cover 4 numbers
3. ...
Priyanka also described a game as simply observing results and finding an entry point. None of this is a game within a game - but there has been discussion about alternating a series of games.
Hi MoneyT101
Not long been up so this reply is as far as I’ve got, can skip General and Steve’s replies as they just repeat themselves, I wonder what their secret agenda is? Now have to skip Falkor as well, you say - The odds in 37 spins average are .... 24 numbers(12 repeats) and 13 numbers missing, being devil’s advocate here, is this a true fact?
Notto, so now you know the secret. When are you winning your millions? Or even just winning more than you lose in mpr. Anything to show us youre more than talk.
I'm waiting for Money to reply, get somewhere with his response, someone who sees beyond 1/37
Notto you obviously didn't understand what i said about multiple spins.
youve got no clue but its your money
That's it Steve i do know what happens in 40 spins
off to give some blood be back soon to read more of your old baloney
Only baloney if your understanding is poor.
Constructive Discussion with notto ?
No, thank you !
Steve, bet $1 on your national team, they gonna win today!
A session in Roulette is just a collection of independent bets. When we label a repeat (could be another man's unique) we are creating our own relationships between numbers, but this does not give us any accuracy of prediction. It just provides an interval on when we might change to a different kind of independent static bet. All in all will break even. I have created the most elaborate games you could imagine - even one that MoneyT suggested* - but there wasn't even a slight tilt to win or lose in the long run.
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And these games were hedged/alternated!
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 26, 05:14 AM 2018
Hi MoneyT101
- The odds in 37 spins average are .... 24 numbers(12 repeats) and 13 numbers missing, being devil’s advocate here, is this a true fact?
Those are the averages... so it can be different maybe 27,28 numbers show up
Or minus 2 or 3 repeats or more repeats
Each session is different
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 26, 06:18 AM 2018
Those are the averages... so it can be different maybe 27,28 numbers show up
Or minus 2 or 3 repeats or more repeats
Each session is different
All What you sayIng is old stuff (well known)
Do you have something we don’t know yet ?
Apparently no !
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 26, 06:13 AM 2018
A session in Roulette is just a collection of independent bets. When we label a repeat (could be another man's unique) we are creating our own relationships between numbers, but this does not give us any accuracy of prediction. It just provides an interval on when we might change to a different kind of independent static bet. All in all will break even. I have created the most elaborate games you could imagine - even one that MoneyT suggested* - but there wasn't even a slight tilt to win or lose in the long run.
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And these games were hedged/alternated!
I had written a reply but there’s no way without shedding more light to this...
So all I will say is
The hedge bet and the main bet can’t be seperated
Btw this topic is different from turbo topic so no more talk in this thread 🤐
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 26, 06:20 AM 2018
All What you sayIng is old stuff (well known)
Do you have something we don’t know yet ?
Apparently no !
I was replying to someone that asked a question.. you clearly hate this thread so why continue to read it, if your so smart and a know it all... why you keep coming in this thread?
Don’t you have an hg sharing thread or something. :thumbsup:
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jun 26, 06:34 AM 2018
I was replying to someone that asked a question.. you clearly hate this thread so why continue to read it, if your so smart and a know it all... why you keep coming in this thread?
Don’t you have an hg sharing thread or something. :thumbsup:
Thx for the clarification.
Of course i have the hg
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 26, 06:20 AM 2018
All What you sayIng is old stuff (well known)
Do you have something we don’t know yet ?
Apparently no !
Yes bleater, all old stuff well known. So if someone new is looking they can use this info, but they will be told it does not increase the accuracy, but they can see repeats will happen.
End of, bla, bla, bla coming
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 26, 07:18 AM 2018
Yes bleater, all old stuff well known. So if someone new is looking they can use this info, but they will be told it does not increase the accuracy, but they can see repeats will happen.
End of, bla, bla, bla coming
Notto, i am not surprised any more !
Your words are reflection of your retardment.
I strongly suggest you to stick to horse racing betting !
In roulette, you are completely disconnected from reality :xd:
I wish you luck and hope to see you next season in the premier league at westham as a goalkeeper !
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 26, 07:40 AM 2018
Notto, i am not surprised any more !
Your words are reflection of your retardment.
I strongly suggest you to stick to horse racing betting !
In roulette, you are completely disconnected from reality :xd:
I wish you luck and hope to see you next season in the premier league at westham as a goalkeeper !
Don't ya think that Manuel Pellegrini would have some say in the matter?
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What did the man say, take 3000 to win 3000 :thumbsup:
Is there anyone else here that can provide some logical answers to the questions that Steve, myself and others have asked regarding Turbo's system?
Perhaps someone that "is degree level Maths with distinction?"
cough, cough. ::)
Quote from: The General on Jun 26, 03:20 PM 2018
Is there anyone else here that can provide some logical answers to the questions that Steve, myself and others have asked regarding Turbo's system?
Perhaps someone that "is degree level Maths with distinction?"
cough, cough. ::)
Every day I try to decipher it but my head still doesnt work correct :(
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 26, 03:01 PM 2018
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What did the man say, take 3000 to win 3000 :thumbsup:
So you almost lost everything, then got lucky in the last 10 spins. With play money.
almost but its only testing like your MPR so waste of time?
Quote from: The General on Jun 26, 03:20 PM 2018Is there anyone else here that can provide some logical answers to the questions that Steve, myself and others have asked regarding Turbo's system?
Why would anyone waste their time like that ?
If they know - they have no intention of explaining it to you, and they shouldn't.
I've told you two over and over but you reject it - so move on.
Let people win and you two keep saying it's impossible.
I show you proof with a few examples, it's rigged. MPR or nothing lol. I guess it's nothing then.
"Go out and make millions" is the new catch-phrase. Funny though because AP players with a clear advantage don't make millions. Making millions therefore isn't proof that anything works. Like I said, a lucky lottery player makes hundreds of millions against incredibly worse odds - would you tell that person they can't win ?
And even if a person made millions - then - "not enough spins".
Every point has a counter-point, which is easier I think than working it out.
Some people are just wired that way.
Just repeat 1:37 vs 35:1 and making millions as proof (unless that happens, then it's no longer proof). 'eh whatever.
General posting that I'm posting as other names, what's this desperation all about ?
You know it looks really bad when the only way to combat the truth is to throw insults
and make accusations that aren't true.
Oh wait - I forgot "play for real instead of monopoly money" which I do.... not good enough - I have to make millions lol.
Someone said it above and I guess I have to agree - there appears to be a effort (for whatever reason) to make this all look silly and absurd and with every post it seems more and more that's the case. No worries, system players are no thread to the AP club.
I don't even know why bias and computer people bother to participate in forums and make comments at all. But hey, I know in reality the point is to find better ways to win other than the amazing "AP" - so they look to system players for that help. But no one would ever admit that in the open lol.
QuoteFor example, there are 37 numbers on the European wheel, but the payout for a single number is 35-1. Our systems exploit roulette wheel physics to determine where the ball is most likely to land. This changes the odds from 1 in 37 to often better than 1 in 25, which ensures long term profit.
As long as I'm not the one saying this - it's fine to put that out there.
If a "system" wins 1 in 25 or better then the person saying such nonsense is clearly lying and misleading - we should all know there's only AP ways to win like that.
We can't possibly have the same advantage over the casino using a system.
Especially when we know in 37 spins there are only 24-25 numbers that appear.
Strange it requires a dominant diamond on a wheel to do what I can do on paper
with any wheel and win at the same rate...but that's BS I've heard.
A bias wheel or worn or damaged spits out hot numbers and that can be exploited.
But a system based on exploiting hot numbers on a non-bias wheel is nonsense.
Got it. Same thing, different perspective I guess.
@turbo
How do u differentiate a fair and crooked rng?
Lets assume u start playing a rng not knowing that its rigged. After playing a while u got it is rigged. What exactly u look for to determine its rigged while u r playing ur hot number system?
Quote from: Madi on Jun 26, 07:16 PM 2018@turbo
How do u differentiate a fair and crooked rng?
Lets assume u start playing a rng not knowing that its rigged. After playing a while u got it is rigged. What exactly u look for to determine its rigged while u r playing ur hot number system?
I'm not sure that I understand. A "rigged" RNG ?
I know Steve calls the places that I play at "rigged" due to the bonus credits they give you - or the table limits spread being wide - but the RNG at any of these sites seems to be fine.
If it's Parx online for fun or Golden Nugget for real - or any other online source of spins, I always play along with Roulette Extreme running, I input every spin as they happen.
If I'm in the casino and writing spins down, I'll put them in RX when I get home to re-create the session for analysis.
RX gives a readout for Wheel Analysis that gives you data for any spins you've played or entered.
It shows the chi-square result, test % and a PASS or FAIL for the wheel being bias or not.
This isn't perfect at all, but it's something.
Bago pointed out to me a long time ago (and I was wrong) that even a RNG over a large number of spins can fail this "test" and result in what would appear to be a bias RNG (since there's no wheel).
This means in the "real world" with actual wheels, a bias player needs to visually see a defect. Recording spins and testing them will tell them if they have a bias wheel or not, but just like the RNG - it could show a bias wheel results and NOT be one. So they need visual proof to begin with, etc. etc.
I'm happy with the spins I plug into RX and then checking the wheel analysis - but either way, if it's a live wheel or RNG it could show a bias result or a non-bias result because it requires more spins to be "sure" than I ever play in one sitting.
Hope it helps and answers your question.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 26, 07:00 PM 2018
A bias wheel or worn or damaged spits out hot numbers and that can be exploited.
But a system based on exploiting hot numbers on a non-bias wheel is nonsense.
Exactly! Finally you understand!
@ turbo
No i m saying those rng which can monitor ur bet and avoid the big bet that u place but still that can keep the law of third accurate
Turbo, your deluded contradictory rants are going in circles. At least smarter people know better.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 26, 09:58 PM 2018
Turbo, your deluded contradictory rants are going in circles. At least smarter people know better.
I doubt if he's deluded, but there are magicians trying to outdo the next magician..
QuoteThis means in the "real world" with actual wheels, a bias player needs to visually see a defect. Recording spins and testing them will tell them if they have a bias wheel or not, but just like the RNG - it could show a bias wheel results and NOT be one. So they need visual proof to begin with, etc. etc.
Yes, RNGs can fail a chi square test and produce a slightly elevated chi square of 50 or 60 but that's not really considered bias after 10k or more spins. It's just an anomaly. With true biased wheels we're looking for chi squares in the hundreds. A chi of
150 to maybe 300 or more depending on the number of spins collected. A small sample of a few hundred or few thousand spins isn't going to produce a super high chi square. The larger the sample tested, the larger the standard deviations and chi square will grow.
There's really no mistaking a biased wheel for a random anomaly. If you're not sure, then chances are you can't identify a defect or your need more data.
Quote from: The General on Jun 27, 03:07 AM 2018A chi of 150 to maybe 300 or more depending on the number of spins collected.
And this amazingly doesn't show up on the Casino's software ?
Or they just don't care and let it go on ?
I'm sure this stuff is monitored, isn't it ?
Isn't there some red light that blinks in a back office somewhere when such a
obvious bias comes up on the screen ?
Curious how a wheel bias player can visually spot a potential bias, take spins and analyze the results and then with enough confidence risk lots of money on something
that the casino has to surely know about...
Nowadays every wheel is monitored not only by chi-tests. They would never ever allow such a CHI-Difference.
So this guy proofed being a fool himself.
Modern bias analysis uses a lot more than chi tests. If you rely on chi testing alone it is far too difficult to find a wheel.
Quote from: winkel on Jun 27, 06:57 PM 2018So this guy proofed being a fool himself.
I didn't mean to imply that it's impossible, just asking that since technology
is what it is, the wheels are monitored and someone who would exploit a bias wheel
once finding it - fine.. but common sense tells me there is a alert they get well before hand that the wheel has issues. Now they might ignore this or not think it's important enough to worry about and then the player could attack such a wheel.
But again, common sense says Joe Bias has won 20k on this wheel and someone has to say "hey, that's the wheel we had problems with from the data collected" and poof, party is over.
So it's a game of the bias player having to exploit it before a casino would notice and correct it - which I'm sure works in some cases. Just curious.
Nah they'd correct it bloody quick
Quote from: nottophammer on Jun 27, 07:28 PM 2018Nah they'd correct it bloody quick
I'm not so sure.
I'm thinking of the analogy of a part on a car that's broken or needs repair
and the driver thinks "I can drive this another 1,000 miles without having to
worry about it" and that's never how it works out lol.
The casinos aren't going to shut a wheel down over a small bias result - like I said, RNG can even produce the same bias and there's no wheel involved.
But I find it hard to believe they are out there to exploit (other than small casinos)
where the casino is putting off the repair, doesn't know about, or whatever else it takes to allow the bias wheel player to attack it.
Contrary to what it seems to the rest of us - it's not easy, it's complicated and a hell of a challenge to use anything like that and probably gets harder each day.
I'm sure they'll say bias wheel exploitation and computers are easy and blah blah.
I'm saying it can't be that easy in reality unless you have a casino that just isn't paying attention or doesn't care until after the fact.
The main thing that makes bias difficult is time.
As for computers, point at any wheel and I can probably beat it with 20%+ edge with my eyes closed.
In the US, contrary to popular believe, they don't remove wheels just because they fail a chi square test. The reason is that the wheels still make money just like the other wheels do. In the US roulette has two zero and the casinos largely look at it like a carnival game. When a wheel is moved, the data download file usually doesn't follow the wheel, but rather stays with the new wheel that is put in it's place. If a wheel is very biased they just move it around more frequently. Some casinos have several, some have none. Following wheel movements is as simple as following wood grain patterns and scratches.
The second largest win in North America took place on the LV strip in 2010 over 16 hours, on a new wheel that was poorly assembled and that was biased. The casino disputed the multi million dollar win and attempted to get out of paying, but the players of course won the dispute and the casino looked like idiots in the end.
The thing about a biased wheel is that you could tell people that the wheel is biased, but most people wouldn't have a clue as to how to play it or beat it. As a matter of fact the same holds true for most of the people on the forum.
I have countless biased wheel data streams archived and I've been considering a fun test for forum members. I could post portions of the stream and we could see who does the best job at beating the wheel with a system/method. If anyone's interested in giving it a try then let me know.
-The General
And now a 3 Zero wheel has Made his entrence :thumbsup:
Quote from: The General on Jun 28, 03:29 AM 2018
I have countless biased wheel data streams archived and I've been considering a fun test for forum members. I could post portions of the stream and we could see who does the best job at beating the wheel with a system/method. If anyone's interested in giving it a try then let me know.
-The General
Sounds interesting, we might learn a thing or two, I`m up for it... :thumbsup:
Came back after few months ... still the same.... attacking TG :xd:
Nope, he wont tell
:thumbsup:
Quote from: denzie on Jun 28, 10:44 AM 2018
Came back after few months ... still the same.... attacking TG :xd:
Nope, he wont tell
:thumbsup:
yeah!
i hope you made lots of money!
come on Denzie, be thankful!
:lol:
Quote from: denzie on Jun 28, 10:44 AM 2018
Came back after few months ... still the same.... attacking TG :xd:
Nope, he wont tell
:thumbsup:
Shortsighted. I wouldn't care if he has the hg and keeps it secret. I care that his claims are contradictory, misleading, false and waste people's time. You only need to understand his math and logic to know there's a problem. According to you, maybe we should allow nonsense without logical rebuttal.
Quote from: ZERO on Jun 28, 10:22 AM 2018Sounds interesting, we might learn a thing or two, I`m up for it...
'eh it's simple.
Just play the hot sections of the wheel, hot numbers....
it's not the magical mystical knowledge that people think it is.
It's exploiting hot numbers due to a wheel bias - as compared
to my exploiting hot numbers due to "random" being "random".
I'm called misleading, bias wheel players are called Advantage Players.
Hot numbers are worthless because they don't continue being hot. Some will, some wont. Its the same as random.
Biased numbers are not "hot". They are biased. They continue to hit more frequently than random.
Understand the difference?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 28, 06:15 PM 2018Hot numbers are worthless because they don't continue being hot. Some will, some wont. Its the same as random.
I only need to win on one or a few of the hot ones while I'm playing.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 28, 06:15 PM 2018Biased numbers are not "hot". They are biased. They continue to hit more frequently than random.
Nope, they are hot. It doesn't matter why - they are still hot numbers/wheel sections. Anyone playing a hot number style system will win on a bias wheel, just like a AP player will.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 28, 06:15 PM 2018Understand the difference?
Nope, I guess not.
Random gives hot numbers, less predictable than a bias wheel but in the end it's the same result - because there will always be hot numbers, and anyone can win on them.
I know most people think they can just hop on the hot numbers right away and win on a biased wheel, but it doesn't work like that.
Turbo,
Have you ever tracked or played biased wheel?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 28, 08:46 PM 2018I only need to win on one or a few of the hot ones while I'm playing.
Didn't you know a hot number spins no more frequently than a cold number, after you've identified them? Oh thats right, you can predict which numbers will become hot in the future, on random spins.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 28, 08:46 PM 2018Nope, they are hot. It doesn't matter why
It does matter, because the cause determines if they'll continue to spin more frequently than expected. But hot numbers ARE winning as frequently as expected. It's plain statistics. It's normal variance.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 28, 08:46 PM 2018Anyone playing a hot number style system will win on a bias wheel, just like a AP player will.
On a biased wheel maybe. But I thought you won when the spins were all random without any bias? Holes all through your gibberish.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 28, 08:46 PM 2018there will always be hot numbers, and anyone can win on them.
You cant know which numbers until they appear, unless there is a wheel defect/bias.
Unfortunately you've lost the plot. It's easy to say "you just dont understand" but it doesn't cut it considering your mistakes.
Quote from: The General on Jun 28, 03:29 AM 2018I have countless biased wheel data streams archived and I've been considering a fun test for forum members. I could post portions of the stream and we could see who does the best job at beating the wheel with a system/method. If anyone's interested in giving it a try then let me know.
I'd like to have a go at this. Can you also upload the complete file?
With hot numbers is there's no reason for them to continue being hot, unlike biased numbers. Maybe numbers can go in and out of bias depending on the circumstances though. Perhaps some numbers are more prone to show bias when the wheel is spun slowly, for instance. The only way you could tell the difference between normal randomness and bias in that case is if you can see the correlation.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 28, 09:13 PM 2018Unfortunately you've lost the plot. It's easy to say "you just dont understand" but it doesn't cut it considering your mistakes.
....and I can't stop winning.
It's strange.
Is that why you left MPR after losing?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 29, 06:51 AM 2018
....and I can't stop winning.
It's strange.
Turbo, who taught you the HG? Did you get help from Priyanka or reddwarf or Dyksexlic?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 29, 11:47 AM 2018
Turbo, who taught you the HG? Did you get help from Priyanka or reddwarf or Dyksexlic?
Or non of the above!
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 29, 11:47 AM 2018Turbo, who taught you the HG? Did you get help from Priyanka or reddwarf or Dyksexlic?
None of the above.
It's interesting how everyone sucked up to Priyanka - who ended up being the cheater at MPR in first place.. and I was the one who figured out how they did it.
I tend to never read anyone's posts/ideas and just do what I know from what I've learned.
How that person was seen as the savior when they were just lying to people is beyond me,
Now I'm the one being called misleading for pointing people in the right direction....'eh oh well....
Quote from: Steve on Jun 29, 08:06 AM 2018Is that why you left MPR after losing?
I'm sorry, but MPR isn't the proof of anything working or not working.
I guess now I'm supposed to go to the casino and give back everything that I've won (so far) and I'll even write a note saying "Steve says it's not possible, here's your money back".
Turbo, you figured out a way to cheat bankroll, not win rate as priyanka was doing. Ultimately his cheat was easy because the programmer didn't follow my design specs and made calculations done on the user side. It's now fixed.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 29, 04:42 PM 2018
I'm sorry, but MPR isn't the proof of anything working or not working.
And parx or rs is, with their betting limits and huge bonuses? You have a good sense of humor. Mpr is far more realistic than either, which is why you suddenly left after losing with your unconvincing excuse.
You have a few inexperienced supporters. Anyone experienced sees through your contradictions and errors. All the gurus eventually get found out. Only the stupid supporters keep looking for the special sauce to beat random with math thats random.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 29, 05:10 PM 2018You have a few inexperienced supporters. Anyone experienced sees through your contradictions and errors. All the gurus eventually get found out. Only the stupid supporters keep looking for the special sauce to beat random with math thats random.
Don't call your forum members stupid just because they express interest and are willing to work out what you say is impossible. There is a purpose to the forum other than an advertisement page for computers ? With all of the banners and links everywhere - why can't system players discuss other options without being called stupid ?
turbo, unfortunately some are uneducated or not very smart. Im not sugarcoating anything. But most are reasonably intelligent and logical people, which is why most members see the holes in your logic.
My explanations of why your approaches fail has nothing to do with AP or computers. You bring it up yourself, and use it as an argument, because logic doesnt work for you. Its transparent. Any logical and unbiased discussion leads to your claims being false.
Again the whole professional world agrees your approaches and logic are backwards. Are they all APs too?
curious as to what your definition of inexperienced or uneducated gamblers is? Ive been gambling since the late 80's and the only people i know now that would consisder using a computer in a way you suggest i would class as desperate ::)
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Jun 29, 06:36 PM 2018curious as to what your definition of inexperienced or uneducated gamblers is?
Take the forum quiz. If you score poorly, youre probably uneducated. Being a gambler for decades doesnt mean educated. Not necessarily stupid, but uneducated. The answers are not opinion. They are verifiable fact.
Or try actually reading and thinking about turbos claims, then tell me if you see the gaping wide holes.
Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Jun 29, 06:36 PM 2018the only people i know now that would consisder using a computer in a way you suggest i would class as desperate
Most players with my computers were already wealthy. They didn't get there by being stupid.
Computers are not for everyone. Nobody is forcing anyone to use them. You are quite welcome to earn peanuts working 9-5.
Shanks, start with this:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=18348.msg202866#msg202866
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jun 29, 03:01 AM 2018
I'd like to have a go at this. Can you also upload the complete file?
With hot numbers is there's no reason for them to continue being hot, unlike biased numbers. Maybe numbers can go in and out of bias depending on the circumstances though. Perhaps some numbers are more prone to show bias when the wheel is spun slowly, for instance. The only way you could tell the difference between normal randomness and bias in that case is if you can see the correlation.
TG does not require bias. He just need random to do it's normal job, ie hit pockets randomly.
If a game is random and there are 38 pockets then why should a number hit any more or less frequently than 1 /38 in the long run?
Quote from: cht on Jun 29, 09:00 PM 2018
TG does not require bias. He just need random to do it's normal job, ie hit pockets randomly.
You don't understand what you're saying. Random means you can't change the odds. It's like saying you can only change odds when you can't. And tg claims to do it with hot numbers that aren't the past.
Quote from: The General on Jun 29, 09:16 PM 2018
If a game is random and there are 38 pockets then why should a number hit any more or less frequently than 1 /38 in the long run?
Doesn't have to hit more often, as long as your wagers are higher when it does hit
Quote from: The General on Jun 29, 09:16 PM 2018
If a game is random and there are 38 pockets then why should a number hit any more or less frequently than 1 /38 in the long run?
They can't answer these simple questions with any substantiating information, beyond a vague duh look, or 4 is after 3 talk. Then complain we keep asking the same fundamental questions.
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 29, 09:23 PM 2018
Doesn't have to hit more often, as long as your wagers are higher when it does hit
How do you know which to bet higher on, when the spins are random?
Quote from: Steve on Jun 29, 09:25 PM 2018
They can't answer these simple questions with any substantiating information, beyond a vague duh look, or 4 is after 3 talk. Then complain we keep asking the same fundamental questions.
Not trying to speak for Turbo here, just my own opinion. If probability shows that a hot number will normally hit at least 9 times before the coldest number shows once, that can help if playing repeaters. All 2 repeats will not show before a 3rd repeater shows...normally only a couple numbers repeat before one repeats again. This is the same for 2 repeaters, 3 repeaters, 4 repeaters, etc. Basically, there will be a couple numbers that always soars pass the rest within 100 spins. Usually easy to identify while playing, and very predictable. This is something random always does....there is always an unequal distribution of numbers in the short term, and may be something we can take advantage of.
We will never see 36 numbers show in 36 spins with no repeats...and do it again for another 36 spins. The odds of this happening would be like hitting the lottery twice in one day.
Random is predictable.
What you said is just probability starting with 1 in 37 but over multiple spins. You still can't change the odds with it.
What you said is like saying after 10 spins, some are red, some black. Its predictable right? Does it help?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 20, 06:14 PM 2018
One of the smartest posters in this thread.
Someone who's been listening and actually gets it - gets how and why it works.
Cheers. Keep at it.
I worked on it today - my off day.
I finally got my head around numbers that potentially may be hot numbers in future spins. Previously I was playing cold numbers to become hot. Now I play
flatbet whatever number to become hot during my play session. Thanks to your guidance I got it. :thumbsup:
Here's 10 rated games I played at RS. Either I'm one luckyfella or RS rng is rigged or I wasted my time to produce a fake of 10consecutive games then post on forums or I got TG's repeaters or I am a time-traveller robot. :twisted:
Can I repeat that ?
Of course.
Can this be played at a real dealer wheel ?
Of course.
Can this be played at RNG ?
Of course.
So long as random hits the pocket in the usual random manner.
Ps. steve, not providing any proof on MPR. I'm done.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 29, 09:44 PM 2018
What you said is just probability starting with 1 in 37 but over multiple spins. You still can't change the odds with it.
What you said is like saying after 10 spins, some are red, some black. Its predictable right? Does it help?
I think maybe it can. Doesn't change the odds, but can help to reduce variance to make a more stable game. Odds are, that in 100 spins, 1 or 2 numbers will not hit at all....so do you bet unhit numbers? If there are 10 numbers unhit after 30 spins, chances are that at least 1 of those numbers will remain unhit on spin 100.
My preference is to follow the hotties...usually only 3 to 5 numbers (front runners). And yes, will have to occasionally change.
31 spins?
You still aren't understanding.
Go make your millions too :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jun 29, 10:05 PM 2018
31 spins?
You still aren't understanding.
Go make your millions too :thumbsup:
Ofc
I will say this.
TG's hotties is one incredible math model that no simpleton can get it. Not to put anyone down, that's the truth.
To crack it you have to be sound in math, pretty creative in math modelling and very experience with random distribution of the wheel and ball.
I must admit it rivaled my baccarat system. Just that I need a cellphone computer to crunch the numbers - that's the difference.
Thanks TG, seriously, thanks a lot !
You deserve this. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jun 29, 10:05 PM 2018
31 spins?
You still aren't understanding.
Go make your millions too :thumbsup:
I understand what you're saying, just don't agree. Just because spins are independent and random, doesn't mean they're aren't predicatable. There will most likely be 12 numbers not show in the first 36 spins. And a number may reapeat 9 or more times before all numbers show.
Take 100 sample spins. How many repeats do you get before a number repeats a third time? A fourth? A fifth? How many spins before all 37 numbers show? Do this over and over and you will see how predictable random is.
There is always bias in the short term on random spins. There is ALWAYS an unequal distribution of numbers. It's very predictable, and you don't need a computer to spot it
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 29, 10:30 PM 2018Do this over and over and you will see how predictable random is.
I wasn't going to post this weekend but dammit - I'm giving Scarface's posts the coveted and rarely used (by me) Jean-Luc Picard clap !
Nicely said.
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Cht & scarface, you're still just not getting it. You think I'm the clueless one. Perhaps test your approach properly. For now you have just an incorrect theory.
Eventually you'll understand better. Go get them casinos.
Turbo, misleading inexperienced and uneducated players is not something to be proud of.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 12:27 AM 2018
Cht & scarface, you're still just not getting it. You think I'm the clueless one. Perhaps test your approach properly. For now you have just an incorrect theory.
Eventually you'll understand better. Go get them casinos.
Turbo, misleading inexperienced and uneducated players is not something to be proud of.
Can you approve my moderated posts to appear on the forum.
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 29, 09:58 PM 2018My preference is to follow the hotties...usually only 3 to 5 numbers (front runners). And yes, will have to occasionally change.
If you can win on X repeats of numbers then you should be able to win on 2 repeats of a dozen excluding zero, right?
But there's only so many ways you can play 2 repeats of a dozen based on the front runners. I can bet the front runner till I get the 2nd repeat:
11 1
11 21
11 231
Or I can stop early if I don't get the 2nd repeat in X spins:
11 23
Or I can wait out certain spins or change to a different front runner, etc.
I have tried every possible way of playing 2 repeats, but the long term result is always the same: break even! It doesn't even tilt one side to wins/losses. It's just plain old break even. I have attached a spreadsheet so people can test for themselves based on 1 million spins:
Download dozens2repeats.xlsx... (link:://:.rarekungfumovies.com/dozens2repeats.xlsx)
If we cannot tilt 1 repeat of a dozen and we cannot tilt 2 repeats of a dozen then it follows that the numbers game is also break even.
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 29, 10:30 PM 2018
I understand what you're saying, just don't agree. Just because spins are independent and random, doesn't mean they're aren't predicatable. There will most likely be 12 numbers not show in the first 36 spins. And a number may reapeat 9 or more times before all numbers show.
Take 100 sample spins. How many repeats do you get before a number repeats a third time? A fourth? A fifth? How many spins before all 37 numbers show? Do this over and over and you will see how predictable random is.
There is always bias in the short term on random spins. There is ALWAYS an unequal distribution of numbers. It's very predictable, and you don't need a computer to spot it
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Of course there's an unequal distribution of numbers in the short term. It's called variance. Unfortunately it can't be exploited. The reason is that you can't predict luck/variance. For example you have no way of knowing if a number is suddenly going to become cold or if it's going to remain hot.
One interesting thought about the front runners:
11... 1 dozen bet
121... 1 dozen bet
131... 1 dozen bet
1231... 1 dozen bet
1321... 1 dozen bet
11 2... 1 dozen bet
11 3... 1 dozen bet
121 3... 1 dozen bet
All other scenarios are a 2 dozen bet.
You could play with a progression. However, I'm sure there will still be enough games where another dozen creeps up for the tie to take equal first place with the front runner, and this will keep happening over and over again - eventually reaching house limits.
Here it got quite dangerous already:
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Almost at table limits:
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This is what happens when you bet front-runners!!!!!!
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Take heed: there is nothing hot about front-runners - they will leave your bankroll cold when you reach the table limits trying to win on a hottie - the leaders of the pack! >:D Point made?
Guys, I'm searching for a casino that has table limits of $10,000? Please can you help me find one? I only bet hot numbers since only they can reach 2 or more repeats... cold numbers cannot reach 2 repeats if they have never had 1 repeat, so why bet cold numbers!? :girl_to:
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Unfortunately, where I live, the best casino was only offering table limits of 22 units, so I had to significantly change my strategy...
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Whether any bet or number is hot, cold or warm, it will hit no more often than any other. Super old verifiable fact that flattens nonsense like repeats systems.
No bet combination or progression will help, at all. The deluded gambler thinks he has a clever progression but it's just a mess of independent bets.
Some people understand it now. Others have to learn their lesson.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 12:27 AM 2018Cht & scarface, you're still just not getting it.
Nope, you're just not getting it lol. (kidding)
General and Steve are working hard to stop people from making what they see are mistakes - which is fine. Like I said - some people will figure it out and others won't.
Other posters trying to convince them of what you see for yourself is impossible, they aren't even open to thinking that it's possible, which is fine too. It's everyone's choice.
Quote from: cht on Jun 30, 12:39 AM 2018Can you approve my moderated posts to appear on the forum.
Sheesh. Thanks for the posts, even though anyone would have missed them because they were mixed into the already posted material and unless someone goes back and reads a few pages would have missed them. (I do read everything). Shame that's being done but it's someone else's forum... rules are the rules. You and scarface have great posts in this thread along with a few others, but don't expect any credit - likely you'll just be called uneducated and even stupid.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 12:27 AM 2018Turbo, misleading inexperienced and uneducated players is not something to be proud of.
I guess we all have our opinions. I don't see it as misleading at all to point people in the right direction. We all have opinions based on experience. In your experience it's probably a good idea to use computers at the table to win. You know it works, etc. I call that misleading people. It's just my opinion. You can say in 50% of casinos you can use it - that's misleading isn't it ? Can I - inform the dealer/pitboss etc that I'm going to be using one in order to win and they'll still let me play ? No they won't - not in any casino. It has to be covert, hidden, discreet. So you think it's ok for you to claim people should do this because it works and sell the product, that's "ok" in your eyes. You seem to have no problem promoting that it works and selling the item(s) to people who want to risk it. Again, that's NOTHING I would be "proud of".
If I choose to point people in a direction that works against the math - any table, any casino - and tell them to test and maybe give suggestions for improvement and show results of it being done properly - Yes, I'm proud of that.
What you're "pushing" works. What I'm "pushing" works.
The only difference is, I have absolutely nothing to gain in helping people. It benefits me personally in no way other than my own satisfaction that I helped others. So yes, I'm proud of that.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 30, 08:56 AM 2018
Nope, you're just not getting it lol. (kidding)
General and Steve are working hard to stop people from making what they see are mistakes - which is fine. Like I said - some people will figure it out and others won't.
Other posters trying to convince them of what you see for yourself is impossible, they aren't even open to thinking that it's possible, which is fine too. It's everyone's choice.
Sheesh. Thanks for the posts, even though anyone would have missed them because they were mixed into the already posted material and unless someone goes back and reads a few pages would have missed them. (I do read everything). Shame that's being done but it's someone else's forum... rules are the rules. You and scarface have great posts in this thread along with a few others, but don't expect any credit - likely you'll just be called uneducated and even stupid.
I guess we all have our opinions. I don't see it as misleading at all to point people in the right direction. We all have opinions based on experience. In your experience it's probably a good idea to use computers at the table to win. You know it works, etc. I call that misleading people. It's just my opinion. You can say in 50% of casinos you can use it - that's misleading isn't it ? Can I - inform the dealer/pitboss etc that I'm going to be using one in order to win and they'll still let me play ? No they won't - not in any casino. It has to be covert, hidden, discreet. So you think it's ok for you to claim people should do this because it works and sell the product, that's "ok" in your eyes. You seem to have no problem promoting that it works and selling the item(s) to people who want to risk it. Again, that's NOTHING I would be "proud of".
If I choose to point people in a direction that works against the math - any table, any casino - and tell them to test and maybe give suggestions for improvement and show results of it being done properly - Yes, I'm proud of that.
What you're "pushing" works. What I'm "pushing" works.
The only difference is, I have absolutely nothing to gain in helping people. It benefits me personally in no way other than my own satisfaction that I helped others. So yes, I'm proud of that.
Well said :thumbsup:
Tg. Your waiting for twenty uniques then bet them for next 17 spins all flat betting and adding any new numbers that arise until 37 spins all flat bet aren't u lol? If 24 arise that's 4.losses and 13 wins.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 30, 09:12 AM 2018Your waiting for twenty uniques then bet them for next 17 spins all flat betting
No, I'm never "waiting" for anything - no "triggers" like watching until X happens and then doing Y. I play from the time I sit down and I stop when I've reached my goal
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 30, 09:16 AM 2018
No, I'm never "waiting" for anything - no "triggers" like watching until X happens and then doing Y. I play from the time I sit down and I stop when I've reached my goal
Sooo..you begin betting on hot numbers... on spin one... that haven't hit yet?
::)
And when you're playing the spins that you've already played on are still current spins, so they aren't considered triggers? ::)
Again, logic is in the way. ::)
Turbo
When you finally want to end this disaster ?
Do you think someone taking what you say seriously ? Stop that !
If the rules of this forum are made to be executed, then your membership would habe been already cancelled because you are spreading lies and fake information !
But the rules of steve’s forum are only words, made to not be executed !
Tg sits down .u play all numbers that have only hit once after spin 20 .. then u drink ten beers and leave. ( I made that all up)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 30, 09:28 AM 2018Do you think someone taking what you say seriously ? Stop that !
You're already a cheerleader for the anti-Turbo team, you can stop trying out for the spot lol.
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Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 30, 09:28 AM 2018But the rules of steve’s forum are only words, made to not be executed !
Says the person on "watched". If I'm to be scolded then so be it - being punished for telling the truth isn't a big problem for me.
I trust tg. .how much is his book and does have a mechanical system? Also. Tg what do u think about 20 uniques then u flat bet em and any new numbers up till 37.that's 13 w and 4 loses for all 24 total numbers at end 37 spins.. is that Gunna win..
Turbo
You are suffering from a uncurable sickness called “selfishnessâ€
All what you looking for is recieving attention.
Grow up, you are old enough
Turbo, more garbage from you. Anyone not smart enough to understand will just lose their own time and money.
They'll find out eventually.
The ones who are really lost will be left wondering what secret theyre missing.
Just a matter of time. :thumbsup:
Who would program my unique number method into rx plz.sorry its off tg topic quickly but for 24 aveage I was on + big.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 30, 08:56 AM 2018You can say in 50% of casinos you can use it - that's misleading isn't it ? Can I - inform the dealer/pitboss etc that I'm going to be using one in order to win and they'll still let me play ? No they won't - not in any casino.
Are you really that thick? No casino allows consistent winning regardless of method. Thats why aps stay under the radar. If youd won real money instead of play money youd know that.
Considering the overall picture turbo, i can see you literally are a sociopath with your attention seeking, lies and misleading comments. Its actual illness. The few blind followers you have will end up losing. Again its their money. But if they have at least half a brain they'll do proper testing without real money so they know better.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 10:14 AM 2018i can see you literally are a sociopath with your attention seeking, lies and misleading comments
I think this is called
Turbo-derangement syndrome. :thumbsup:
Seriously Steve, your posts are now giving TG much more attention, so you are officially part of the "problem".
You're now calling him names, which just looks petty. Either ban him, or let it go. :yawn:
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 10:14 AM 2018But if they have at least half a brain they'll do proper testing without real money so they know better.
I completely agree with that quote Steve.
Anyone, ANYONE should test - and test - and test. This can lead to improvements
as well.
Validation is important before using actual money.
And use simulations, both RNG and live wheels/actual spins - make sure you have
what you have before risking ANY money.
But remember, posting those positive testing results will automatically put you into the pool of the ignorant. Testing is key - then testing means nothing. Contradiction ?
Parx online and RS, RX, Celtic and any other means that produce RNG spins or actual spins don't count - they are all rigged (even if you stay within actual casino table limits....RIGGED !) - and if you take 3k to the casino but your testing site gives you 3k bankroll to use....RIGGED !! Avoid these at all costs, clearly they aren't realistic.. no one takes a bankroll to the casino to play and no one sticks with the table limits in the real world lol.
So test properly - then don't use those results or post them because it's clearly wrong.
This leaves you with actual live play with money right from the start - but don't do that either. When you win you won't have played enough spins to prove anything, you'll be compelled in your brain to return all winnings in a briefcase because those wins don't count.
That's it - sorry everyone. There is MPR or forget it and get a computer.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 10:14 AM 2018Are you really that thick? No casino allows consistent winning regardless of method.
No, No, No !!! I haven't even won yet - I just sit down at the table and buy in and then tell them I'm using a computer. It's ok right ? No, it's not. It has nothing to do with winning - it has to do with the rules that devices are not allowed at the table.
That means be "discreet", be "covert", be sneaky and trickery will make you money !
Doesn't that sound silly ? Is that me being thick ? lol
At least bias wheel players exploit a defect that the casino presents you to play on.
There's nothing wrong with that at all - period. It's their equipment and lack of maintenance that caused the problem and exploiting it isn't a problem.
A player can only gamble on what they give you to gamble on. No rules are broken.
So before even winning a dollar, I can't tell them I'm using a computer.
It's not allowed and has to be hidden/covert/etc. But that's not "wrong" ?
Is it only "wrong" if you get caught ?
But anyway - I don't win the amounts that the casino would care about, so NO - I'll never be banned for winning. I play multiple locations. Everything I'm doing is perfectly smart and won't get me banned for winning, unless I follow your advice and go make millions !!!
Then I'd be screwed and rightfully so. I'll make it slow and steady and increase my bets as I go - the RIGHT way. That means it's not fast enough for you, of well... it's NOT your money. lol
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jun 30, 09:49 AM 2018Turbo
You are suffering from a uncurable sickness called “selfishnessâ€
All what you looking for is recieving attention.
I guess you mean 'incurable' and 'receiving' ( "I" before "e", except after "c" )
I've not asked anyone for a penny and I've asked no one for attention.
You however scream for attention by making the same post(s) over and over
whenever I say something. It makes it a little obvious who has the problem, but
I digress - your name says it all - as "Roulette Beater" you clearly have already
beaten the game, and toying with the likes of me must simply be a hobby.
"All you want is attention - and I'm going to keep giving you my attention"
You make no logical sense. But it's your post - go make millions. lol
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 30, 10:43 AM 2018Parx online and RS, RX, Celtic and any other means that produce RNG spins or actual spins don't count
More manipulation. I never said anything like celtic or real casinos being rigged. I simply said the math of parx and rs betting limits allow anyone to win millions.
And for months you boasted parx and rs results as proof of your hg, which you claim never loses. Pretty obvious you chose rs and parx because you couldn't win elsewhere and you wanted to convince people you had the hg. It has all been said before. Only the newcomers have no idea.
Show me what casino gives you $3000 every day for nothing, so you can build your bankroll perpetually. Still can't do it? So tell me again, its realistic. Tell me again even slot players winning millions regularly is realistic, as they do at parx. Go ahead, say again the bonuses don't count to wins. Say again you never ever bet any bonus money. You certainly hang on tight and ignore really basic math.
You are clinging to bad logic to convince people you have the hg, but it fell apart.
As for your comments about ap and avoiding detection, you've got no idea. As I've said many times, i dont care if you or anyone doesn't like the idea of my approaches. Don't use them. They aren't for everyone. You are the one who keeps mentioning them. They are not relevant to the discussion.
Again it comes back to you've fooled a few inexperienced people, who haven't tested properly yet. Some already changed their mind and now know better after more testing. It's a matter of time before the others catch up. I just hope for their sake they don't lose much, but its their choice and fault to ignore really basic principles and math.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jun 30, 09:34 AM 2018
Tg sits down .u play all numbers that have only hit once after spin 20 .. then u drink ten beers and leave. ( I made that all up)
There's another logic problem. We have the word
AFTER. It's often used in the same paragraph as, "Doesn't rely on past spins!"
So AFTER a number has hit, then why is it more likely than another un hit number to hit over the next series of spins?
Logic, it's always in the way! ::)
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 30, 02:34 AM 2018
Guys, I'm searching for a casino that has table limits of $10,000? Please can you help me find one? I only bet hot numbers since only they can reach 2 or more repeats... cold numbers cannot reach 2 repeats if they have never had 1 repeat, so why bet cold numbers!? :girl_to:
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William Hill, they have generous limits. But they are different for different accounts. Here are my limits.
Falkner, here's something you may or may not want to try. Test 108 spins...this would be 3 cycles of 36. Look at how the numbers fall. How many numbers repeat once before you have one repeat a third time? When the first number repeats a fourth time, how many 2peaters and 3peaters are there? Look at how this all plays out over your 108 spins. What's the ratio between the hottest number and coldest at the end of 108 spins?
Now do this over and over. You will see how predictable random can be. There will be an unequal distribution of numbers every time. And the front runners will stand out as the game progresses. Look at how many numbers underperform vs overperform. As I said, things get quite predictable and this is information that you can use.
Quote from: Steve on Jun 30, 11:15 AM 2018Again it comes back to you've fooled a few inexperienced people, who haven't tested properly yet. Some already changed their mind and now know better after more testing. It's a matter of time before the others catch up. I just hope for their sake they don't lose much, but its their choice and fault to ignore really basic principles and math.
Haven't been on here for awhile been testing and still testing with real money, at spin 18356, over +200000 units and counting. Way over any progression that could ever go bust. RNG online. No hidden roulette computer, no wobbly wheels, no need to track thousands of spins to find a bias. Just start playing a session and stop when it's over. Steve you told me to go make my millions on roulette, thanks, it's working great!
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 30, 12:32 PM 2018
Falkner, here's something you may or may not want to try. Test 108 spins...this would be 3 cycles of 36. Look at how the numbers fall. How many numbers repeat once before you have one repeat a third time? When the first number repeats a fourth time, how many 2peaters and 3peaters are there? Look at how this all plays out over your 108 spins. What's the ratio between the hottest number and coldest at the end of 108 spins?
Now do this over and over. You will see how predictable random can be. There will be an unequal distribution of numbers every time. And the front runners will stand out as the game progresses. Look at how many numbers underperform vs overperform. As I said, things get quite predictable and this is information that you can use.
I've already demonstrated sufficiently using the dozen examples how hot/cold is insignificant/irrelevant to escaping break even. Despite the different ratios the game remains break even because every spin is independent - nothing more than a collection of static bets. One man's repeat could be another man's unique. It's all an illusion - but check out my last posting in the "crazy talk" topic.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 30, 01:02 PM 2018
Despite the different ratios the game remains break even because every spin is independent - nothing more than a collection of static bets.
Your comparison with dozens to singles is like apples and oranges.
Another suggestion. Don't look at the result of 1000s of spins, or millions. Look at the cycle you are playing...like my example of 108 spins. K ow what to expect. Know how variance will work with you and against you. Once you see how random is predictable, use this data. There are always entry and exit points where profit is made. There are times you got to know when to change your bet selection and reset. Testing what I suggested will give you this knowledge. Don't just run an excel simulation for thousands of spins...waste of time. Takes a little more than that
Quote from: Scarface on Jun 30, 01:35 PM 2018
Your comparison with dozens to singles is like apples and oranges.
Another suggestion. Don't look at the result of 1000s of spins, or millions. Look at the cycle you are playing...like my example of 108 spins. K ow what to expect. Know how variance will work with you and against you. Once you see how random is predictable, use this data. There are always entry and exit points where profit is made. There are times you got to know when to change your bet selection and reset. Testing what I suggested will give you this knowledge. Don't just run an excel simulation for thousands of spins...waste of time. Takes a little more than that
You are talking too vague, like a politician. The stats and averages tell us how each cycle is likely to behave based on expected length for the next 0 or 1 or 2 depending on the viewpoint (see the spreadsheet I posted a few pages back). So when we look at the cycle we are currently playing all info comes from simulating that same scenario millions of times prior. Each permutation of variance is independent and doesn't recover from any extreme situation, so it cannot be exploited. Regarding dozens vs. straights you should know that a winning roulette system needs to work in all PHP universes - dependent only on the number of uniques in a given playing position/group. Everything breaks even regardless because the different probabilities are in harmony with the different payouts for each group respectively.
Falkner, I do not play the dozen cycle that you do. My game is very different, so I can't comment on what you're doing. Looks as if you're trying to somehow apply a repeater concept to whatever dozen method you're playing.
A number can be hot inside a dozen, but that will not necessarily make that dozen hot.
That's not to say you don't have a good system...its just different. If you know the probability of your selection, you can beat it. There are always entry and exit points to make a profit. My advice is use good money management! Not steep progressions...variance will always swing back in your favor. A good system player will never rely on 1 spin to profit when down....usually takes several hits in a short period to get back up. If you rely on 1 hit to profit, your progression is way too high
Dozens are dependent on the numbers. When the numbers are hot then so are the dozens... :yawn:
Knowing the probability cannot help because of the proportionate payout odds. If there are entry and exit points they certainly aren't based on anything as mundane as hot/cold.
Anyway, I think I just found some edge, but it only uses the repeats framework - not hot/cold. In dozen cycles CL1 is 33%, CL2 is 44% and CL3 is 22% - but did you ever see the stats for CL1 and CL3 swapped around? So you know my strategy...
CL1 35780 24%
CL2 65208 43%
CL3 49877 33%
150865
Funny how that (+1 hidden) always looking here. Although he said he doesnt have time to follow all ....
Men...your full of sh!t ... Yup
And we all know it too ;)
Bonanza....he's on his horse
Let's get some things clear, again.
I dont care if anyone believes "random is predictable", "math beats a math game" (although the math shows payouts are less than win expectation), or all the other nonsense turbo claims. People find out for themselves, eventually.
I dont care if turbo rants elsewhere. I only care when a self-professed guru uses my forum to mislead people. As admin, I'm responsible for allowing free speech, but drawing the line when the guru harmfully misleads people. Several people have angrily blamed me for following losing approaches they found on the forum. Of course it's not my fault - it's theirs for not testing properly. So I put the warnings on the home page and sometimes get involved in discussions.
My responses have nothing to do with his methods vs mine. That's a shortsighted view. It's the equivalent of attacking the messenger instead of the message. Turbo has not been able to refute the logic that reveals his mistakes. Experienced players including myself have refuted his, and his response is nonsense like 2 comes after 1, 3 is after 2. Anything clear he revealed, rather than vague, is "verifiably" incorrect. For now, turbo's supporters dont understand it.
It is no coincidence that the experienced members also highlight the holes in turbo's math and logic. It's no coincidence turbo would be laughed off a math forum. And it's no coincidence every gaming professional, casino consultant, mathematician or even reasonably educated person is against turbo's logic. They must all work for me, right? Don't be so naive, understand what is being said, grow up and see the bigger picture.
Quote from: thelaw on Jun 30, 10:27 AM 2018Seriously Steve, your posts are now giving TG much more attention, so you are officially part of the "problem". You're now calling him names, which just looks petty. Either ban him, or let it go
I guessed you missed it. Turbo said himself he's a sociopath. Not so strangely, the definition fits well. Calling him as such is not personal. Neither is explaining his logic errors. I assume you too don't understand the absurdity of turbo's logic and contradictions, right? Perhaps you also believe casinos give you $3000 daily for showing up and that it's not an advantage over players who don't get the bonus, right? Or perhaps you haven't bothered to read. You may benefit by better understanding the situation before posting.
Quote from: denzie on Jun 30, 06:37 PM 2018Funny how that (+1 hidden) always looking here. Although he said he doesnt have time to follow all ....
Why would I try to hide reading my own forum, or a topic when clearly I'm reading and responding? Rather than your questionable logic, perhaps question why Turbo spends so much time trying to convince people here, and on other forums, and with clearly unrealistic "play money games", that he has the hg and "literally never loses"? :yawn:
Anyway this thread was a response to turbos claims that he'll prove he has the hg. It began like the flat earth topic. I saw the gaping holes in logic and understanding, but approached it with an open mind. And turbo's so-called proof and claims confirmed my suspicions.
The people who naively believe turbo's "I can only win if its random" and "I never lose" nonsense have one thing in common: they haven't tested properly. That's why people that previously supported him, and now tested properly, feel quite differently. They too once thought I had the problem.
Ultimately as I said before, those still believing turbo will eventually find out for themselves.
Easy 10 consecutive winning games flatbet.
I am one luckyfella :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
or RS rng is rigged for me to win. ooops I forgot, I used the up as I lose progression. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
oh no I am a time travelling robot.:xd: :xd: :xd:
10 games? My mistake, it must be the hg. Or perhaps you can even do that with a few random bets. You have a lot to learn cht. Just a matter of time.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 05:13 AM 2018
10 games? My mistake, it must be the hg. Or perhaps you can even do that with a few random bets. You have a lot to learn cht. Just a matter of time.
Thats all I have time for play money.
I have gained high roller membership to Singapore, Macau and regional casinos. Thats how long and how much I have played. Mostly baccarat. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Btw can you approve my moderated post
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 05:13 AM 2018
10 games? My mistake, it must be the hg. Or perhaps you can even do that with a few random bets.
Talk is cheap. Do it, prove you can do this on RS.
You have a lot to learn cht. Just a matter of time.
Approved now. I easily miss the little approve link.
I had access to the high roller room when i was 18. I just needed a tie and jacket. Casinos love high rollers betting repeaters. You must get free drinks.
Quote from: cht on Jul 01, 05:38 AM 2018Talk is cheap. Do it, prove you can do this on RS.
Prove i can win $1300, starting with $3000? No, sorry i cant do that. You must have had freaky luck.
Or maybe understand the basic math and why so many people win millions in play money.
Cht you need only do proper testing to understand better. Use automated software and save time.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 05:46 AM 2018
Prove i can win $1300, starting with $3000? No, sorry i cant do that. You must have had freaky luck.
Someday you Will understand Steve and admit that you were wrong All along. Just needs Time, but you'll get there. :thumbsup:
And were All gonna be friends and Have a few drinks together. Even you and Turbo. :thumbsup:
Im all for a few drinks regardless.
But jek, ive already spent my time being clueless. Ive aleady done the proper testing. i eventually came around.
Strangely, the mathematicians, casinos, gaming consultants and all the so called experts were right, and i was an arrogant, ignorant little turd. I moved forward since then and started testing for facts, instead of believing what i thought or wanted. Perhaps try it.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 05:46 AM 2018
Prove i can win $1300, starting with $3000? No, sorry i cant do that. You must have had freaky luck.
Or maybe understand the basic math and why so many people win millions in play money.
Cht you need only do proper testing to understand better. Use automated software and save time.
I was testing my lucky streak.
Looks good with another 5 consecutive winning games. ok done for today.
Actually Im done with hotties, it all luck stuff.
Keep it up cht. I believe you can win hundreds of thousands, just like the others there ::)
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 06:29 AM 2018
Keep it up cht. I believe you can win hundreds of thousands, just like the others there ::)
So much insecurity, Steve.
No idea what cht or Turbo are doing or playing but I also don’t see why you’re so threatened by it.
I'm insecure and threatened? Tell that to every mathematician and casino consultant. This has nothing to do with me or my approaches. You're not paying attention.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 06:44 AM 2018
I'm insecure and threatened? Tell that to every mathematician and casino consultant. This has nothing to do with me or my approaches. You're not paying attention.
Got it. Perhaps you’re falling into the same trap they are? No worries, carry on.
As for paying attention - you’re missing quite a lot. A few facts and assumptions have been pointed out right under your nose. Have you noticed?
All the best.
Quote from: Blueprint on Jul 01, 07:03 AM 2018As for paying attention - you’re missing quite a lot. A few facts and assumptions have been pointed out right under your nose. Have you noticed?
Enlighten me. Please be specific.
Quote from: Blueprint on Jul 01, 07:03 AM 2018
Got it. Perhaps you’re falling into the same trap they are? No worries, carry on.
I'm open to the possibility of being wrong. Thats how this thread started. Turbo said he'll prove his theories correct. I waited, paid close attention, and considered everything. And in the end it was a wild goose chase full of his misunderstandings, contradictions and backwards logic. It has all been explained before. Read back carefully. I even gave flat earth serious unbiased consideration. I have a rather open mind.
QuoteI'm open to the possibility of being wrong. Thats how this thread started. Turbo said he'll prove his theories correct. I waited, paid close attention, and considered everything. And in the end it was a wild goose chase full of his misunderstandings, contradictions and backwards logic. It has all been explained before. Read back carefully. I even gave flat earth serious unbiased consideration. I have a rather open mind.
point taken Steve...i also wanted to see math of Turbos and why expecttttttttttttt is positive but so far i did not sse it :thumbsup:
maybe he will post it
Tg post a graph with at least hundred k spins. That way u won't reviel ans show them.anything can happen over 200 spin and u could be posting only winning games. Ur arousing many gamblors fury ha
Math is possible for example if 24 total numbers was still the most common after 18 uniques I'd beaten thousands upon thousnd of played spins but Ben showed me in fact 26 is the most common and I'm working around it.its a maths fact.
Turbo hasn't revealed math directly. But importantly, he revealed concepts that can be expressed mathematically. And this is one area where his claims come undone.
It's not my opinion. Math is not based on opinion.
One example is his claim that "random has limits". He cited numbers not sleeping more than 200 spins, which is incorrect. A fact easily demonstrated.
Another is "you'll never see 37 numbers in 37 spins". Actually given enough spins you'll see every combination of numbers. The proof is run simulations. The combination of numbers 1,2,3,4,5 is exactly as rare as 32,18,3,14,2. Test the same concept with a dice. It's not about rare events. It's about expectation vs payout.
There are many examples of his mistakes. They all sound logical, but are incorrect and shortsighted. Most importantly, they are verifiable. Unquestionably. There is no doubt.
Even for months he held onto the notion that parx was completely realistic and that his high ranks were due solely to his "never- lose hg". He flat refused to acknowledge the verifiable mathematical effect of bonus credits from the daily login bonus. When the matter didnt die off, he eventually claimed still parx was fair because anyone could do the same. But he neglected to reveal not everyone religiously logs in consecutive days for maximum bonus credit. When this was consistently explained, cornered again, his last claim became "oh ive never bet with any bonus money". What bs. So he carefully determined which part of his bankroll was bonus money, and which was from original bankroll?
There's much more. It has all been said before. The only way any intelligent person would not conclude turbos claims are false, with evasive and manipulative answers., is if they haven't read all information.
I could waste more time summarizing the math component, but if people don't understand just a few points, they won't understand the others. And besides caleb and i already explained it all before, many times. The problem is it isn't being understood.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jul 01, 08:37 AM 2018
Math is possible for example if 24 total numbers was still the most common after 18 uniques I'd beaten thousands upon thousnd of played spins but Ben showed me in fact 26 is the most common and I'm working around it.its a maths fact.
Ive been there and done that. You'll find a dead end. Repeaters and unhit numbers is normal probability. You are still stuck with 1 in 37, for the next AND future spins. So nothing changes.
It's all explained in this thread. But a lot goes in circles because turbo refuses to acknowledge verifiable math and facts. Not opinion.
QuoteAnother is "you'll never see 37 numbers in 37 spins".
Even though it's unlikely we will ever see this during our lifetime it nevertheless can't help us win otherwise we would all be millionaires by now - it just means we'll break the bank trying to play for the first repeat!
Without any doubt I say if 24.is still most common after the uniques I was in constant +. Nobody can answer mathematically why after the uniques 26 or other is most common and not 24. I too am not good at maths....... It doesn't matter cause stats only matter me.this is unrelated to tg.s claims ect.... They don't concern me its just gamblor talks.....
I suggest people focus on ONE point at a time. Test a theory or concept, properly. You actually only need ONE point to see a gaping wide hole. But in fact, there are many gaping wide holes in turbos theories. It's pretty darn conclusive.
It's so easy to say its personal, i have motives etc etc. No. It's a boneheaded shortsighted claim. Its nothing more than what i say. This is sincerely about the truth and helping people avoid classic mistakes. If in doubt, just carefully consider the facts; the message, not the messenger. I'm not the only one understanding it. Try the entire professional community in the world.
And again anyone could just focus on ONE point at a time. One big hole in the ship, and the whole ship sinks. There are many.
Quote from: Anastasius on Jul 01, 08:35 AM 2018
Tg post a graph with at least hundred k spins. That way u won't reviel ans show them.anything can happen over 200 spin and u could be posting only winning games. Ur arousing many gamblors fury ha
Nothing wrong with 1000, 100 spin graphs either, each showing the same thing. Over and over and over and over.
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QuoteNothing wrong with 1000, 100 spin graphs either, each showing the same thing. Over and over and over and over.
nimo nothing wrong with 1000 and 100 i have seen 5000 to 10000 spins betting flat and wins but then goes south...i am sure some seen even more spins proves nothing...
Regarding the boneheaded claims that im just trying to censor the hg so i can sell computers....
1. My focus is using computers, not selling them.
2. I earn more than enough without sales of anything. Really, I'm not desperate for money. People who think money motivates me think this probably because they aren't in my financial position.
3. Focus on the message, not the messenger. Tell me where my logic is incorrect. Can't do it? Then your claims about my motives dont even make sense. Am i telling the truth to sell something? How terrible. But this has nothing to do with sales or my methods vs his. It doesn't even have anything to do with me.
4. My computers get 20-150% edge. My teams do rather well. Even turbo said his system can't compete with that. Even if it was about sales, should i feel threatened?
5. Players who buy computers understand what does and doesn't work. They know not to waste time with hot numbers and repeaters. Very different group of people and mentality to most forum members.
6. Turbo isnt a competitor. Serious players approaching roulette as a business want a ready solution, not to waste years chasing theories and vague clues.
7. Turbo attacks my methods based on his own views of morality. He can have his view. I don't particularly feel bad for the billionaire casino owners, and we never break laws. Casino owners ruin lives. Besides, most of my methods i sell/teach don't involve electronics at all. Should we pitty bankers too?
8. Is the entire professional world working for me? After all, they say much the same thing as me.
9. I'm not against other methods. See the "outside the box" area and my suggestions. I encourage NEW approaches. Why would i be encouraging these approaches, which i dont sell, if i was so concerned with sales? Why would i create things like the free precog software as a community project?
10. If what turbo had worked, id be using it or at least trying to find the secret, so my profit split teams can use it. They currently use the best method we have. Maybe it will change one day, who knows.
There's more but it's enough. Still think I'm trying to censor the hg? Remember Charles Edward Hampshire? Same thing there. I only bothered exposing his claims because he misled a larger amount of people, so it was a more effective use of my time to help players head in the right direction. Some members attacked me claiming i was trying to censorthe hg. This is no different. Except some members were so convinced i was censoring the hg that they left the forum. Thats because in the end i banned CEH. Im all for few speech, but i had to draw the line because his manipulation was so obvious., even if some members couldn't see it.
And remember, he eventually admitted to me he didn't have the hg, and just liked making people think. So in his view, he was being helpful. If we forget history, we repeat the same mistakes.
Now CEHs followers learned what i was talking about... or are stuck wondering what secret part of the system they're missing.
Anyway, there are always a few shortsighted people. Forget about me and computers. They aren't for everyone. If you aren't already 110% for them, you probably never will be and I'm not interested in trying to convince anyone about them. Simply the information is already around for anyone, if they want.
So forget about what i do in roulette. Focus on what I'm saying, and verification. Now let's move back to what's relevant.
Quote from: maestro on Jul 01, 10:02 AM 2018
nimo nothing wrong with 1000 and 100 i have seen 5000 to 10000 spins betting flat and wins but then goes south...i am sure some seen even more spins proves nothing...
Exactly, testing millions of spins proves nothing. The odds don't change. 37 pockets , each number should hit 27027.02703 times, but we all know that won't happen as the number itself is a fraction. We also know the numbers won't be distributed equally, that's random. Repeaters happen, they happen often and they are still within the 1/37 odds. Using repeaters in certain ways as a bet selection, along with proper bankroll management, gives you graphs like the one I posted constantly.
Quote from: maestro on Jul 01, 10:02 AM 2018
nimo nothing wrong with 1000 and 100 i have seen 5000 to 10000 spins betting flat and wins but then goes south...i am sure some seen even more spins proves nothing...
Instead of testing the complete system, its easier and more direct to test the working principles that change the 1un 37 hit rate.
If you prefer testing the whole system, then use roulette extreme software. Pay a coder $50 then test a whole year of spins with one click. Don't waste your time with manual testing.
And maestro, this is the smartest thing I've seen you say.
Its important for everyone to get past the false thought that you need only beat short term spins. Will 100 players using a short term system collectively profit?
There's no way Steve is censoring the HG.
I scored above average on an IQ test and I'm part of the top 12% of the population who knows the earth is flat, and I can tell you that there's no HG in sight despite 3 years of thinking and testing on an almost daily basis - yet the truth about the flat earth is hidden in plain sight. So the main skill that is needed here for all of this is not flat earth understanding or being able to spot a conspiracy - it's about understanding how satanic the human race happens to be. The elite aren't some great engineers who need to reduce the population every once in a while - they are typical humans without a conscience who take pleasure in other people's suffering - though that doesn't mean I'll stop searching for the HG.
QuoteAnd maestro, this is the smartest thing I've seen you say.
happens sometimes
falkor, lets not do the flat earth thing again. i really gave it serious consideration but couldnt find one thing to support it - only bad logic. Even when i asked for your best proof. Fine believe what you want. I see no benefit in flat or triangle earth. Its just a hoax or deliberate distraction. I know you have opinions, but not here please.
Quote from: Nimo on Jul 01, 10:14 AM 2018
Exactly, testing millions of spins proves nothing. The odds don't change. 37 pockets , each number should hit 27027.02703 times, but we all know that won't happen as the number itself is a fraction. We also know the numbers won't be distributed equally, that's random. Repeaters happen, they happen often and they are still within the 1/37 odds. Using repeaters in certain ways as a bet selection, along with proper bankroll management, gives you graphs like the one I posted constantly.
No. Simply more testing means higher confidence, ie more assured.
Smaller tests are more likely to be variance/luck.
Its not uncommon for a system to beat 10,000+ spins but still lose eventually. Thats a lifetime of spins for most players. Will all players using the same system profit too?
As for your other comments, there are a lot of problems but I'm really wasting my time here. I shouldn't have bothered again but sometimes get suckered into explaining it again. Start with :.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/
Save yourself years of going in circles.
Also try the forum quiz.
You might also notice on mpr, most players start by winning. Then it goes south. Same as real casinos.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 06:44 AM 2018I'm insecure and threatened?
It appears so.
How else can you explain the complete and utter lies below ?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 09:02 AM 2018One example is his claim that "random has limits". He cited numbers not sleeping more than 200 spins, which is incorrect. A fact easily demonstrated.
I never said a number can't sleep more than 200 spins, it could be 400,500,600 spins before the last number appears. I never lose 1 unit on these numbers because I never bet them. I wonder why you don't see the logic when you are the one saying it.
If 4 numbers go 150 spins (for example) ((common)) and you never lose 1 unit betting/losing on them - the math of the game has changed. I explained this already, you don't get it. You accept numbers will be sleepers but don't seem to understand that by NOT betting them, you lose NOTHING - and the house edge is affected. Therefore repeaters are proven as the way to win just from that one point alone. BS I know, ignore it.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 09:02 AM 2018Another is "you'll never see 37 numbers in 37 spins". Actually given enough spins you'll see every combination of numbers. The proof is run simulations.
No, You'll NEVER see all 37 numbers appear in 37 spins. Please "simulate" away to your heart's content. It will NEVER happen. The calculated odds of this happening are INSANE - you can't point to something obscure and act like it's common or even possible.
You could say "there's a 1 in 100,000,000 chance of a asteroid hitting you when you go outside - therefore NEVER go outside". It's absurd. If you "simulate" billions of spins/cycles of 37 spins, you might find this happen - then post and act like it's actually possible that it happens commonly.
You take what I say and twist it - then call me misleading.
You request the "math" and the "proof" as if I'm stupid enough to go "here you go !!".
I told you it's there, I showed you how (and everyone else). I'm not posting the "proof" you seem to require, it's right here in front of me.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 10:10 AM 2018Should we pitty bankers too?
No, Should we make a manual describing step by step how to rob a bank and maybe get away with it ? (just don't get caught and be covert). How absurd. Typical liberal viewpoint, it's everywhere here in the US too, The "rich" people don't deserve it, they are the "enemy", steal from them and give to the poor until everyone is equally poor. I hate the casino and they steal people's money, so it's ok for me to bring in a device (secretly and covertly) to rip them off, beat them at their own game ? lol. That's a morality issue, I agree. Remember, I'm the one with the issues right ?
I'm staying on the high road and winning legit using only the info that random provides.
You still don't understand that random has limits... it's in the book. I have a feeling you'll learn something. Or you can just yell at it and say it's all lies, throw it in the fire and then post how it's all garbage, misleading, nonsense, BS.. much like you do now with simple posts and explanations and examples.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:09 AM 2018I'm open to the possibility of being wrong. Thats how this thread started....../.....
I have a rather open mind.
If any of that were true or possible, you would have figured this out by now and would actually post agreeing with me. That's not going to happen.
This person at RSim isn't in the top 5, top 10, top 50, top 100, top 200
and look at this chart !
I'll give you a hint - it's REPEATERS
(link:s://s8.postimg.cc/uxwtxqsjp/untitled2.png)
small unit size, not relevant to winning or losing since clearly the chart is exactly how you want it to be when using something that works.
Not what I'm doing, but it still works - so played my own session with $50.00 chips
and went 2 steps in a progression, not a issue at all. Doubled my unrealistic bankroll of 3k
(link:s://s8.postimg.cc/3olgj11ol/untitled3.png)
But sadly, it's not possible. It's not enough spins and it's rigged. 1-2 unit progression is terrible - the number of pockets don't change, each spin is independent.
lol.
Still in first place, still not a losing session. It's all nonsense and BS.
Congrats to that guy, go make millions.
Flat earth was debunked by steve-o.
but back to the topic, good job CHT, keep it going! :thumbsup:
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 01, 12:22 PM 2018
This person at RSim isn't in the top 5, top 10, top 50, top 100, top 200
and look at this chart !
I'll give you a hint - it's REPEATERS
(link:s://s8.postimg.cc/uxwtxqsjp/untitled2.png)
small unit size, not relevant to winning or losing since clearly the chart is exactly how you want it to be when using something that works.
Not what I'm doing, but it still works - so played my own session with $50.00 chips
and went 2 steps in a progression, not a issue at all. Doubled my unrealistic bankroll of 3k
(link:s://s8.postimg.cc/3olgj11ol/untitled3.png)
But sadly, it's not possible. It's not enough spins and it's rigged. 1-2 unit progression is terrible - the number of pockets don't change, each spin is independent.
lol.
Still in first place, still not a losing session. It's all nonsense and BS.
Congrats to that guy, go make millions.
I know this guy, and his playing has nothing to do with repeats for that matter. But he is doin' a great job
But he won't make millions. But profit is profit.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 01, 11:29 AM 2018
No, You'll NEVER see all 37 numbers appear in 37 spins.
Correct.
There are odds that all the air molecules will be in one corner of a room but there are so many mind blowing other ways they can be arranged in a room its not going to happen
Ive never heard some one say to me "no...dont open that door. This may be the day all the mollecules are in the corner"
LOL
Yes, most people don't realize how crazy the odds would be for that to happen. Just recently read somewhere the chance that shuffling a 52 card deck and it randomly appears in perfect order would be equal to the number of atoms in the entire universe! Sure, anything can happen, but it won't :)
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 01, 10:34 AM 2018
There's no way Steve is censoring the HG.
I scored above average on an IQ test and I'm part of the top 12% of the population who knows the earth is flat, and I can tell you that there's no HG in sight despite 3 years of thinking and testing on an almost daily basis - yet the truth about the flat earth is hidden in plain sight. So the main skill that is needed here for all of this is not flat earth understanding or being able to spot a conspiracy - it's about understanding how satanic the human race happens to be. The elite aren't some great engineers who need to reduce the population every once in a while - they are typical humans without a conscience who take pleasure in other people's suffering - though that doesn't mean I'll stop searching for the HG.
You are kidding Right? Earth is flat! Pfff Oh man. :yawn:
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 01, 02:29 PM 2018
Yes, most people don't realize how crazy the odds would be for that to happen. Just recently read somewhere the chance that shuffling a 52 card deck and it randomly appears in perfect order would be equal to the number of atoms in the entire universe! Sure, anything can happen, but it won't :)
Odds are the same any other combination will happens.
This forum sometimes scares me to know that many people do not use their brains.
If the wheel had only ten numbers. The ofds of these combinations happening would be the same.
For example:
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
3-7-4-1-9-7-10-8-5-2
8-5-7-10-3-9-6-1-4-2
All these 3 combinations have the same odds to happen.
Prove me I'm wrong!
Stating the obvious.
1. Turbo can't beat the MPR
2. Turbo can't explain why in the random game/rng that a hot number is more likely to hit than a cold number over the next series of spins.
3. Turbo can beat the Parx free mode game, but so can Bago. And Bago isn't playing Turbo's system. He's just raising bets to show that anyone can beat the game and make it to the top. ::)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 03:19 PM 2018
Odds are the same any other combination will happens.
This forum sometimes scares me to know that many people do not use their brains.
If the wheel had only ten numbers. The ofds of these combinations happening would be the same.
For example:
1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10
3-7-4-1-9-7-10-8-5-2
8-5-7-10-3-9-6-1-4-2
All these 3 combinations have the same odds to happen.
Prove me I'm wrong!
It's only the losing combination most are concerned about. If there are 100s of thousands of winning combinations with the same odds as that 1 loser...I'll take those odds :)
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 03:19 PM 2018Odds are the same any other combination will happens.
Don't think people are talking about the combination but the fact you won't see 37 different numbers in 37 spins whatever the combination.
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 03:34 PM 2018
2. Turbo can't explain why in the random game/rng that a hot number is more likely to hit than a cold number over the next series of spins.
Random is predictable. Its basic probability. There will probably be at least 1 number not hit in 100 spins. It is very unlikely there would be 10 unhit numbers in 100 spins. Run these tests over and over, and you'll see it's very predictable. Knowing the balances, and the average expectation will make a difference.
In my opinion, knowing this, will help keep variance low enough to have a balanced game. With a balance game, you will have ups and downs. The casino can't force you to play 10000 spins. The advantage the player has is to leave when up :)
Quote from: ScarfaceRandom is predictable
That's an oxymoron.
QuoteIt is very unlikely there would be 10 unhit numbers in 100 spins. Run these tests over and over, and you'll see it's very predictable.
Ok, after 100 spins let's say that there's somehow 10 unhit numbers in a random game. Which is more likely to hit over the next 100 spins, the hit or the unhit numbers?
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 04:20 PM 2018
That's an oxymoron.
No it's not. I'm assuming you believe in the law of large numbers...that numbers over a large amount of spins will fall in there expected percentages of 1 in 37.
Whys it so hard to not see how numbers normally fall in 36 spins...or 100 spins?
You have no problem seeing how things equal out over thousands of spins....but can't apply the same logic of how numbers fall in a shorter number of spins. It's not magic, its basic probability.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 01, 04:38 PM 2018
You have no problem seeing how things equal out over thousands of spins....but can't apply the same logic of how numbers fall in a shorter number of spins. It's not magic, its basic probability.
Let me rephrase this for you. Let's say after 16 spins we have 12 numbers that have hit and 26 numbers that have not hit. Which numbers do you feel are more likely to hit? The numbers that have hit or the numbers that have not hit?
Why?
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jul 01, 01:43 PM 2018I know this guy, and his playing has nothing to do with repeats for that matter. But he is doin' a great job
But he won't make millions. But profit is profit.
He/She absolutely is - a line bet that just appeared and then a second line bet if that one lost that appeared second. When a win happens (a line bet repeats) he/she wins.
There is a minimal progression which isn't a problem at all.
It's a repeater style for line bets (double streets) - trust me, I studied it.
The chart is impressive as hell. They could be #1 if they didn't use $1.00 bets, but they don't appear to be motivated by a huge profit. Nice.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 01, 02:10 PM 2018Ive never heard some one say to me "no...dont open that door. This may be the day all the mollecules are in the corner"
LOL
Correct lol.
Sure, it "can" happen - sure it won't happen LOL
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 01, 02:29 PM 2018Yes, most people don't realize how crazy the odds would be for that to happen. Just recently read somewhere the chance that shuffling a 52 card deck and it randomly appears in perfect order would be equal to the number of atoms in the entire universe!
lol - I saw that as well. But it doesn't matter.
To Steve, as long as it's possible - it can happen = you'll just lose so don't do it.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 03:19 PM 2018All these 3 combinations have the same odds to happen.
There's no repeaters in your list - each spin in roulette is independent from the last.
1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 appearing is the same odds as 1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1
Now grab a calculator and tell us what the odds are of 10 1's in a row when the
sample size is 1-10
As you'll see, it's a big number.
Then...... anytime that DOESN'T happen, you win ? Think on that one. (you won't)
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 10:52 AM 2018Also try the forum quiz.
I keep wanting to do that, but I'm afraid the first question is
A) Roulette can be beaten with a system (Y) Yes or (N) No. - and anyone who answers
Yes automatically loses a point.
or
A) AP is the only way to win in a casino against roulette (Y) Yes or (N) No.
and again everyone loses if they answer No.
I might take it anyway and see how amazingly low my score is.
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 03:34 PM 2018Stating the obvious.
1. Turbo can't beat the MPR
The obvious "lies" to anyone reading, but you're ok with that.
1. Turbo can beat "the MPR" any time he wants to. Because he won't means he can't.
Makes sense to me.
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 03:34 PM 20182. Turbo can't explain why in the random game/rng that a hot number is more likely to hit than a cold number over the next series of spins.
I never said that. I said random can be exploited due to the fact that it's random.
Hot numbers will remain hot, stay at expected or go cold.
Cold numbers will remain cold, stay at expected or go hot.
You agree with this because you have a brain in your head, so thanks in advance.
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 03:34 PM 20183. Turbo can beat the Parx free mode game, but so can Bago. And Bago isn't playing Turbo's system. He's just raising bets to show that anyone can beat the game and make it to the top.
Cough... Lies again.
Bago placed "ok" for two weeks and then made a excuse why he couldn't play it anymore.
He never got first, he never "topped" the leaderboard as I did easily and held it for months - exactly as long as I wanted to. I'm misleading ? You're blatantly lying to everyone.
Everything has been posted though, sorry but the proof of what I say is there - Bago didn't hit first, played only 2 weeks and hasn't been seen since. Go figure.
He also made it clear to everyone that he could use multiple accounts, and use the one that did the best in order to place on the board and not mention the others.
I just use one account - anything else is against the TOS. I follow rules.
But hey, it's ok to lie or bend the truth around what you "think" instead of the facts :)
Let's make it simple.
A dice has 6 sides.
The odds of these combinations or any other combinations happening would be the same.
Example:
1-2-3-4-5-6.
2-5-5-6-3-1.
5-3-6-3-1-4.
4-5-3-4-1-6
Etc...
Prove I'm wrong!
2. Turbo can't explain why in the random game/rng that a hot number is more likely to hit than a cold number over the next series of spins.Turbo,
You can't explain why. You just make absurd statements. All you basically ever do is play the nuh uh game when you're in checkmate.
QuoteHot numbers will remain hot, stay at expected or go cold.
Cold numbers will remain cold, stay at expected or go hot.
Seriously? Hot numbers remain hot huh? That's all you've got? ::)
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 05:19 PM 2018Seriously? Hot numbers remain hot huh? That's all you've got? ::)
Pretty much.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 05:07 PM 2018Prove I'm wrong!
LOL - you're fun to play with, like a broken toy.
Answer my question - how many combinations can you make with 37 numbers ?
A million ? A billion ? 300 ? Get your calculator out. Use google if you want.
Then tell me 37 numbers can all show in 37 spins. Thanks.
General, help him out - he just reposts what you say so you might have to post the answer.
Math...pfff.... stupid math.
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 05:19 PM 2018All you basically ever do is play the nuh uh game when you're in checkmate.
I'm nowhere near in checkmate lol.
Ok no really I'm going to relax the posting - I know it's all a game.
I'll go make millions and let you know, then I might give it all back too.
Because I do crazy shit like that.
Quote from: Andre Chass link=topic
quote author=Andre Chass link=topic=18348.msg204325#msg204325 date=1530479245]
Let's make it simple.
A dice has 6 sides.
The odds of these combinations or any other combinations happening would be the same.
Example:
1-2-3-4-5-6.
2-5-5-6-3-1.
5-3-6-3-1-4.
4-5-3-4-1-6
Etc...
Prove I'm wrong!
TG,
prove I'm wrong, please!
I'm not disrespecting you. Please, let's be kind
So you're not going to answer a simple math question ?
37 numbers - what are the odds they ALL appear with no repeats ?
How to calculate this is taught in grade school.
I'm not insulting anyone, I'm being polite.
Roulette is a math game - this math is part of it.
Then tell me it's possible.
Turbo,
It's very difficult to ever carry on an intelligent conversation with you because you can't ever directly answer relatively simple questions.
For example "If a number is hot and the game is random, then why is it more likely to hit than any other number."
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 05:07 PM 2018
Let's make it simple.
A dice has 6 sides.
The odds of these combinations or any other combinations happening would be the same.
Example:
1-2-3-4-5-6.
2-5-5-6-3-1.
5-3-6-3-1-4.
4-5-3-4-1-6
Etc...
Prove I'm wrong!
Not looking at it the right way. Let's say a system player is playing repeaters, and when a repeater shows it's a win.
Now roll the dice 6 times and record the data. Is there any repeats? Now run this test 1000 times. How many trials had repeats? How many didn't? The odds of a repeat in 6 rolls far exceeds the odds of none.
Andre, here's another example looking at the dozen bet. There are exactly 27 combinations dozens can fall in 3 spins. Only 6 of the 27 combinations can have no dozen repeat. So roughly, a 78% chance one dozen will repeat 1 or more times in 3 spins
Roulette has more numbers than a dice, so it's harder to know which numbers will repeat, how many numbers will repeat and when they will repeat.
A dice has less numbers than a wheel so it's easier to know any number can repeat soon.
Please, put the brain to work
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 05:51 PM 2018
Turbo,
It's very difficult to ever carry on an intelligent conversation with you because you can't ever directly answer relatively simple questions.
For example "If a number is hot and the game is random, then why is it more likely to hit than any other number."
Because random is predictable. By the time the coldest number hits, it's very likely there will be at least a 9 to 1 ratio between the hottest and coldest number. Its probability, and predictable. Test over and over and you will see. So, if your system plays hot numbers, what would you bet on, repeaters or no hits?
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 04:20 PM 2018
Ok, after 100 spins let's say that there's somehow 10 unhit numbers in a random game. Which is more likely to hit over the next 100 spins, the hit or the unhit numbers?
Personally, if I were to ever witness 10 numbers all go 100 spins with no hit, I would play them...once it hit once. It would be like seeing 5 or 6 numbers go 200+ spins with no hit. Wouldn't need to play for 100 spins though, just until profit :)
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 01, 06:09 PM 2018
Because random is predictable. By the time the coldest number hits, it's very likely there will be at least a 9 to 1 ratio between the hottest and coldest number. Its probability, and predictable. Test over and over and you will see. So, if your system plays hot numbers, what would you bet on, repeaters or no hits?
Scarface,
Using your logic, which is more likely to hit after 10 reds in a row?
Red?
or
Black?
All 37 number appearing in 37 spins has a....(inhales as much as I can)
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009474061716781832651871822612603 % chance of happening.
Is that even a number ? lol
But wait - it CAN happen and you'll lose, forget roulette.
I might have missed a 0 up there, let me check again..
Listen to this LOL
ROFLMAO
link:s://:.naturalreaders.com/online?s=V269q4k14mfwwso0gosswwsos8c.pdf&t=NaturalReader%20Document
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 01, 06:20 PM 2018
All 37 number appearing in 37 spins has a....(inhales as much as I can)
0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000009474061716781832651871822612603 % chance of happening.
Is that even a number ? lol
But wait - it CAN happen and you'll lose, forget roulette.
I might have missed a 0 up there, let me check again..
Listen to this LOL
ROFLMAO
link:s://:.naturalreaders.com/online?s=V269q4k14mfwwso0gosswwsos8c.pdf&t=NaturalReader%20Document
So?How does that effect the probability of a number hitting over the next spin or the next series of spins?Predicting the normal distribution of numbers is simple. But it doesn't tell you which number is more likely to hit on the next spin or the next series of spins. ::)
I'm saving that for a ringtone when I go to the casino and some calls me.
Then I'll say "Oh, that's just the common chance of 37 numbers showing in 37 spins, happens all the time"
Turbo,
There's water at the bottom of the ocean too! So?
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 06:22 PM 2018How does that effect the probability of a number hitting over the next spin or the next series of spins?
It means repeater are going to happen (other than that one time they won't - once every trillion trillion trillion years of spinning LOL).
Repeaters will happen !!!!! Do I know when ? No !!!!!
Do I need to ? NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
Now deny they happen please.
Intelligent conversation my ass lol
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 06:19 PM 2018
Scarface,
Using your logic, which is more likely to hit after 10 reds in a row?
Red?
or
Black?
Its 50/50. That is a bad comparison. That's like me asking you, an AP player, what number will fall in the next spin. Dumb question. A good system player knows probability, and how numbers will fall...and there are limits to random. If they're weren't limits, then the law of large numbers would not hold true. Imo, a good player does not rely on 1 single spin to win.
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 03:34 PM 2018Stating the obvious.
1. Turbo can't beat the MPR
2. Turbo can't explain why in the random game/rng that a hot number is more likely to hit than a cold number over the next series of spins.
3. Turbo can beat the Parx free mode game, but so can Bago. And Bago isn't playing Turbo's system. He's just raising bets to show that anyone can beat the game and make it to the top.
Turbo this..... Turbo that....Turbo with fu£kin bells on.
Turbo..Turbo...Turbo
You are obsessed....and very boring
did Turbo turn you down for the prom or something?. This "stalking" is getting embarrassing lol
Turbo, what makes 37 numbers in 37 spins less likely than any other combination of numbers?
Simple question.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 01, 05:57 PM 2018
Not looking at it the right way. Let's say a system player is playing repeaters, and when a repeater shows it's a win.
Now roll the dice 6 times and record the data. Is there any repeats? Now run this test 1000 times. How many trials had repeats? How many didn't? The odds of a repeat in 6 rolls far exceeds the odds of none.
Nobody here is retarded. Of course there will be repeaters.
Now pick up two combinations. For example:
1-2-3-4-5-6.
2-5-5-6-3-1.
Now run the test 1000 times. Roll the dice 1000 times.
The avarege that the combinations appears (or don't appear) will be the same.
I insist... Prove I'm wrong!
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:07 PM 2018
Turbo, what makes 37 numbers in 37 spins less likely than any other combination of numbers?
Simple question.
Why does this matter? Did you not here the possibility of it happening. All those zeros
Why are you still trying to argue repeaters are more likely before all the unique numbers show up 🤦â€â™,ï¸
The talk about 37 numbers never happening in 37 spins is garbage. Such a situation is just as likely as any other combination of numbers.
If Turbo wants to dispute this, maybe he can explain why the magical sequence is more special than any other sequence of numbers.
Betting on rare events is old. It's classic fallacy. It's really no different than seeing RRRRRRRRR then betting B, expecting that the rare sequence will not happen. but 37 numbers in 37 spins is more rare, right? Sure, but the principle is exactly the same.
Turbo alludes to progressively updating his bets based on the assumption that the magic sequence wont happen over time. But that wont work because no matter what happened in the past, each number is just as likely to spin next or anytime in the future. I'm not sure why some people struggle with this simple concept.
So Turbo, please answer my simple question.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:07 PM 2018what makes 37 numbers in 37 spins less likely than any other combination of numbers
This....same as 37 of the same number
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Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 07:13 PM 2018
Nobody here is retarded. Of course there will be repeaters.
Now pick up two combinations. For example:
1-2-3-4-5-6.
2-5-5-6-3-1.
Now run the test 1000 times. Roll the dice 1000 times.
The avarege that the combinations appears (or don't appear) will be the same.
I insist... Prove I'm wrong!
You are right but your argument is not the same as what is being talked about.
Chances of a repeater after the third roll are half... so by 4 roll chances of repeater before all 6 numbers rises.
The method is to win with a repeater. Who cares how many times each combination happens repeat happens a lot more within 6 number combinations then uniques.
All turbo did was find a way to play within that to make profit.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 01, 07:02 PM 2018did Turbo turn you down for the prom or something?.
Yes, it's something I don't like to bring up.
We were young.
The wheels on my car were bias and he had to point it out, then wouldn't get in.
He said it had a clearly dominant lug nut that was killing my alignment.
I drove around but he said I was driving too predictably - then wanted me to change
my name and then we had to enter the prom covertly.
It was the WORST night of my life - I told him NEVER AGAIN !
lol
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 01, 07:23 PM 2018
Yes, it's something I don't like to bring up.
We were young.
The wheels on my car were bias and he had to point it out, then wouldn't get in.
He said it had a clearly dominant lug nut that was killing my alignment.
I drove around but he said I was driving too predictably - then wanted me to change
my name and then we had to enter the prom covertly.
It was the WORST night of my life - I told him NEVER AGAIN !
lol
Did he also accuse you of being Sybil with all those personalities that you are on here? LOL
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jul 01, 07:18 PM 2018Why does this matter? Did you not here the possibility of it happening. All those zeros
Why? Because he seems to think his spin sequence is magical and less likely to happen. I just want confirmation from him.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jul 01, 07:18 PM 2018Why are you still trying to argue repeaters are more likely before all the unique numbers show up
I know repeaters are more likely, but you're missing the fact any sequence of numbers is just as unlikely. You're not understanding this:
ON SPIN 1: There are 37 numbers on the european wheel. The odds of any number on the next spin are 1 in 37. Let's say #2 won.
ON SPIN 2: Let's say #2 won again. We we have just 1 unique number in 2 spins. So the odds of the number repeating are still 1 in 37 because we only have one number. The odds of the number not repeating is 1 in 37 too.
ON SPIN 3: Say #32 won. Now we have 2 unique numbers in 3 spins. So for the NEXT spin, the odds of a repeat are now 2/37.
ON SPIN 4: Say #4 won. Now we have 3 unique numbers. So the odds of a repeat on the next spin are 3/37.
So we can see the more spins we play, the more likely there will be a repeat. Really basic probability.
Can we use this? No. Because the odds of the next spin are still 1 in 37. It's really not complicated.
It doesnt matter what magical sequence you think will or wont happen, you are still stuck with 1 in 37.
Turbo hints that he bets on normal distribution of repeaters and colds, aka "random". This is no different to expecting after 100 spins, there will be an equal amount of reds/blacks. It doesnt work.
The part where people get stuck is thinking "yeah well turbo is right, there are always repeaters as far as we see". It sounds logical. But it is shortsighted and missing the parts I explained.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:07 PM 2018Turbo, what makes 37 numbers in 37 spins less likely than any other combination of numbers?
Simple question.
It is a simple question but it isn't related to what's on the chalkboard.
So I can write out any set of 37 numbers, and the chance of those 37 numbers
appearing in order (like you said, or the same number repeating 37 times in a row or all 37 numbers appearing in order....((same math)) is..... (god I love this)
link:s://:.naturalreaders.com/online?s=V269q4k14mfwwso0gosswwsos8c.pdf&t=NaturalReader%20Document
Now, we have cleared up that repeaters are going to happen.
I'm glad for that hurdle to be over. The rest of the class was getting bored.
So... before 37 spins happen, yes there will be repeats.
That means there will be numbers that don't appear.
That means you won't lose 1 unit betting on them since they won't appear and
you will lose every attempt.
There are more "that means" but jeez it's late and I didn't even have dinner yet.
zero zero zero zero zero zero lol I'm going to dream about that tonight.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 01, 07:32 PM 2018It is a simple question but it isn't related to what's on the chalkboard.
Avoiding the question again. It is related because you are saying the chances of it is so remote that it wont happen. The point is it is NOT less likely than any sequence, and you're still stuck at 1 in 37.
So there's only 2 possibilities left:
1. Your system works with any "rare sequence" and not just repeaters.
2. You're in a corner again.
So which is it, 1? Please confirm so we can move on.
Everybody knows repeaters appears.
The problem is that you will not know which numbers will repeat, how many numbers will repeat, and WHEN they will repeat.
You can win for days or even months, until some day you do not hit the number that will be repeated soon. Then your bankroll is done.
Imho and my advice...
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:31 PM 2018I know repeaters are more likely, but you're missing the fact any sequence of numbers is just as unlikely. You're not understanding this
Luckily I don't have to be right on a sequence of numbers, I just need a couple to be right and they always are.
So if I had to say "23 is next, then 20, then 0 and then 1" and every time I was wrong I would lose - well hell, I'd lose every time. That's not what's happening here.
I CAN say "23,20,0,1 are potential winners" and be right.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 07:38 PM 2018The problem is that you will not know which numbers will repeat, how many numbers will repeat, and WHEN they will repeat.
That is true. I can't do a Babe Ruth and point to the wheel and say "32 NOW !" and it's 32.
Nope, I can't do that. I think a computer can though... I can come pretty close using a group of numbers but not always right - it's "random".
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 07:38 PM 2018You can win for days or even months, until some day you do not hit the number that will be repeated soon. Then your bankroll is done.
The odds of that happening are almost the same as...... I won't post the link again lol
0.00000................
Still dancing around and not answering direct questions.
Steve, care to ponder about this one. What happens when you increase the number of possibilities? What then happens to those repeat chances?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:52 PM 2018
Still dancing around and not answering direct questions.
He answered it, clearly. You can't grasp the fact you won't see 37 UNIQUE numbers in 37 spins.
Turbo, Scarface,
Why do you suppose it is that all of the experts, mathematicians, and history say that you're wrong?
Are either of you actuaries or mathematicians? Do either of you gamble professionally?
What do you suppose would happen if you were to post your claims on the wizardofvegas, where several actuaries and mathematicians often post?
(link:s://media1.tenor.com/images/f2157b012f595444406df69db1fb0995/tenor.gif?itemid=4569315)
Yes, I think we know what the results would be as well. ;)
Quote from: Blueprint on Jul 01, 07:54 PM 2018
He answered it, clearly. You can't grasp the fact you won't see 37 UNIQUE numbers in 37 spins.
I was referring to these questions:
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:07 PM 2018Turbo, what makes 37 numbers in 37 spins less likely than any other combination of numbers?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:35 PM 2018So there's only 2 possibilities left:
1. Your system works with any "rare sequence" and not just repeaters.
2. You're in a corner again.
So which is it, 1? Please confirm so we can move on.
Please direct me to his clear answers.
And blueprint, you just arent getting it. Let's focus on turbos answers.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:57 PM 2018Turbo, what makes 37 numbers in 37 spins less likely than any other combination of numbers?
Night and day, man. Night and day.
Turbo, Scarface,
You know how you feel when you argue with flat earth followers about whether or not the earth is round?
Well that's how those of us that grasp basic probability feel right now. ::)
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:57 PM 2018
I was referring to these questions:
Please direct me to his clear answers.
And blueprint, you just arent getting it. Let's focus on turbos answers.
Yea, ok.
Quote from: Blueprint on Jul 01, 07:54 PM 2018
He answered it, clearly. You can't grasp the fact you won't see 37 UNIQUE numbers in 37 spins.
That argument fits about as well as saying because there's water at the bottom of the ocean. ::)
Quote from: Blueprint on Jul 01, 08:00 PM 2018
Night and day, man. Night and day.
Clear answer, like turbos. You dont have any idea do you?
Since you claim to know the answer, what is it?
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 07:57 PM 2018Why do you suppose it is that all of the experts, mathematicians, and history say that you're wrong?
"All of the experts" ?
It's ok to be wrong you know. I know it's an unacceptable concept but...
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 07:57 PM 2018Do either of you gamble professionally?
Do I have to ? Does that change the math ? Strange. Are you going to tell me I have to make millions too ? You guys obsessed with "millions". Strange (again)
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 07:57 PM 2018What do you suppose would happen if you were to post your claims on the wizardofvegas, where several actuaries and mathematicians often post?
Oh no - not there !!!!!!!!!! lol.
Is that your mecca or something ? Is there a pilgrimage once per year
where everyone meets up and writes "roulette can't be beaten" on paper and they
stuff it into a rock or something ?
I thought THIS was the place to post stuff. Dammit I'm in the wrong place lol
Effect on my actual winnings = 0, math is unchanged. whew.
Galileo was right - everyone told him he was wrong. "vehement suspicion of heresy".
All of the proof was against him - the "experts", the church. Poor guy couldn't get a break - his works were placed on banned reading lists. Shame.
I won't compare myself to that guy - but around here by a few people, I can see how frustrated he must have been in his last years.
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 08:00 PM 2018You know how you feel when you argue with flat earth followers about whether or not the earth is round?
I used to feel frustrated - until I understood that I was wrong, and the earth being flat or round was based on my observation (round) and not always the case depending on who's observing it. Like a photon heading towards earth would see it as flat. But saying it's round just means I see it from my point of view and no other - which is wrong.
Or like putting a clock on a plane and one of the ground - when the plane lands the clocks are different because no one used to understand that speed and time were connected. Go figure.
Did you know when you bounce a basketball on the ground - it never touches the ground ?
NEVER. Who would have thought that 20 years ago, now it's proven fact.
I guess it's how things work - everything is impossible or a lie until you someday realize that anything is possible and there's more truth then you let yourself understand.
That's your own journey from ignorance to intelligence, enjoy.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 08:09 PM 2018Clear answer, like turbos. You dont have any idea do you?
First you need to understand the question, and you don't.
How many ways can you have 37 uniques in 37 spins? How many ways can you have any other sequence in 37 spins? I know, it's confusing to you but it's pretty simple. If you have EVEN ONE repeat then you DO NOT have 37 uniques in 37 spins. So, tell me how it's just as likely as ANY other sequence? Explain that to me since you seem to have all the answers.
Turbo what dribble is that? Why avoiding questions?
Quote from: Blueprint on Jul 01, 08:24 PM 2018So, tell me how it's just as likely as ANY other sequence? Explain that to me since you seem to have all the answers.
Here's an example in english:
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 07:31 PM 2018
you're missing the fact any sequence of numbers is just as unlikely. You're not understanding this:
ON SPIN 1: There are 37 numbers on the european wheel. The odds of any number on the next spin are 1 in 37. Let's say #2 won.
ON SPIN 2: Let's say #2 won again. We we have just 1 unique number in 2 spins. So the odds of the number repeating are still 1 in 37 because we only have one number. The odds of the number not repeating is 1 in 37 too.
ON SPIN 3: Say #32 won. Now we have 2 unique numbers in 3 spins. So for the NEXT spin, the odds of a repeat are now 2/37.
ON SPIN 4: Say #4 won. Now we have 3 unique numbers. So the odds of a repeat on the next spin are 3/37.
So we can see the more spins we play, the more likely there will be a repeat. Really basic probability.
Can we use this? No. Because the odds of the next spin are still 1 in 37. It's really not complicated.
It doesnt matter what magical sequence you think will or wont happen, you are still stuck with 1 in 37.
So turbo, your follower blueprint thinks your magic sequence is less likely than any other sequence. Please confirm, is he right?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 08:28 PM 2018
Here's an example in english:
So turbo, your follower blueprint thinks your magic sequence is less likely than any other sequence. Please confirm, is he right?
Now I'm a follower. Must be a full moon or something or you're just a lunatic as many have stated behind the scenes.
As mentioned earlier, no idea what he's doing nor do I give a crap. I'm not talking about a magic sequence and neither his he. In your spin 2, you ALREADY had a repeat. How the hell is that an example of THIRTY-SEVEN (let me spell it out for you in case the numbers have you tripped up) in THIRTY-SEVEN spins.
Sorry I got involved. Carry on with your egotistical salesy bullshit.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 01, 07:21 PM 2018
This....same as 37 of the same number
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/07/01/temp_197253.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/2EwzF)
Sorry...did I get the answer wrong or is it because I not turbo?
Wait your turn to be scolded Turner !
lol
Turner that looks like normal distribution. You cant use it to change odds. Imagine a normal distribution chart for red/black, like around half reds/blacks. It doesnt help at all.
If you think otherwise, explain how.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 01, 08:45 PM 2018
Wait your turn to be scolded Turner !
lol
I'm still waiting for my answers turbo. Is there a problem with your logic preventing a clear answer?
Quote from: Gandhi on Jul 01, 01:08 PM 2018
Flat earth was debunked by steve-o.
but back to the topic, good job CHT, keep it going! :thumbsup:
Another 5consecutive winning games just for you. luck streak looks pretty good. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Blueprint on Jul 01, 08:35 PM 2018Now I'm a follower. Must be a full moon or something or you're just a lunatic as many have stated behind the scenes.
Anyone who believes the game can be beaten or has figured out a way (or ways) to do this are lumped into a pile and I'm supposedly the leader. Sorry.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 08:47 PM 2018I'm still waiting for my answers turbo. Is there a problem with your logic preventing a clear answer?
I've already answered - as said above that I already answered.
I'm not your circus monkey and I'm not jumping through hoops (or the same hoop) over and over. I explained it clearly. Thanks and goodnight.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 01, 08:40 PM 2018
Sorry...did I get the answer wrong or is it because I not turbo?
You got it right :thumbsup:
- its the frequency distribution probability that's relevant.
wizardofodds guys like steve and general got it wrong misquoting their 1 to 37 for each individual spins.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 08:28 PM 2018
Here's an example in english:
So turbo, your follower blueprint thinks your magic sequence is less likely than any other sequence. Please confirm, is he right?
Steve your so stuck in getting your point across that you aren’t paying attention
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 08:46 PM 2018
Turner that looks like normal distribution. You cant use it to change odds. Imagine a normal distribution chart for red/black, like around half reds/blacks. It doesnt help at all.
If you think otherwise, explain how.
Your question was....what makes 37 numbers in 37 spins less likely.
Thats my answer. And its correct
Binomial distribution
Quote from: Blueprint on Jul 01, 08:35 PM 2018As mentioned earlier, no idea what he's doing nor do I give a crap
Then if you have no idea, and dont give a crap, stay out of the conversation.
Quote from: Blueprint on Jul 01, 08:35 PM 2018Carry on with your egotistical salesy bullshit.
Are you that narrow-minded? Every time someone mentions my technology, I shift away from it because its not relevant to the discussion. We are talking about fact vs fiction here. Is General selling something? Is the rest of the professional world working for me? Grow up.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 01, 08:49 PM 2018I've already answered - as said above that I already answered.
Oh I see. Would you be so kind to cut and paste your answer for me?
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 01, 08:49 PM 2018I'm not your circus monkey and I'm not jumping through hoops (or the same hoop) over and over. I explained it clearly. Thanks and goodnight.
Strange. You can post pages of dribble, and when simple questions are asked, you run away stroppy.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 01, 08:54 PM 2018Your question was....what makes 37 numbers in 37 spins less likely.
Actually yes you are correct. My question was incorrect. It was supposed to be "what makes one sequence of 37 numbers less likely than another?".
So assuming you know Turbo's secret, you are saying he is betting on the likelihood that some numbers will be repeats. that just comes back to this:
QuoteON SPIN 1: There are 37 numbers on the european wheel. The odds of any number on the next spin are 1 in 37. Let's say #2 won.
ON SPIN 2: Let's say #2 won again. We we have just 1 unique number in 2 spins. So the odds of the number repeating are still 1 in 37 because we only have one number. The odds of the number not repeating is 1 in 37 too.
ON SPIN 3: Say #32 won. Now we have 2 unique numbers in 3 spins. So for the NEXT spin, the odds of a repeat are now 2/37.
ON SPIN 4: Say #4 won. Now we have 3 unique numbers. So the odds of a repeat on the next spin are 3/37.
So we can see the more spins we play, the more likely there will be a repeat. Really basic probability.
Can we use this? No. Because the odds of the next spin are still 1 in 37. It's really not complicated.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 01, 08:54 PM 2018
Your question was....what makes 37 numbers in 37 spins less likely.
Thats my answer. And its correct
Correct.
As the number of repeats increase the probability increases to the top of the bell curve of average 12 repeats before it drops back down as the number of repeats continue to increase.
Quote from: cht on Jul 01, 09:00 PM 2018As the number of repeats increase the probability increases to the top of the bell curve of average 12 repeats before it drops back down as the number of repeats continue to increase.
Yes I said that in my example before.
To clarify, my question is: what makes one sequence of 37 numbers less likely than another?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 09:01 PM 2018
To clarify, my question is: what makes one sequence of 37 numbers less likely than another?
The pobability of any sequence depends on
the number of repeats contained in the sequence of 37 spins. Turner's bell curve graph clearly demonstrates this.
can you approve my moderated posts
can you put me on watch instead of moderated
CHT all the bell curve shows is what i said before in my example. But you cant use that as I already explained. It is mathematically impossible because there are still the same number of pockets and the same payout.
Read back my example of a few spins and repeaters probability. Its the math behind repeaters.
It just doesnt help change the odds. Such an approach is like saying in 100 spins, I expect there to be around half reds and blacks. Try it. It doesnt work.
So what am i missing? Please, I would like to be wrong then I'd learn something new. I'm serious. Educate me. But if you have nothing to substantiate your claims, then why would I change my position?
Quote from: cht on Jul 01, 09:04 PM 2018
can you approve my moderated posts
can you put me on watch instead of moderated
Let him say. Moderation doesnt allow someone to participate on time. His discussion can be fruitful to others.
General,
Your approach is to take data from thousands of spins to find bias numbers, using chi square or whatever mathematical approach you take.
But you are so closed minded, you do not believe that random creates bias on it's own. And it can be taken advantage of. There will be an x number of repeats in 36 spins...as well as 72 spins...or 108 spins. This is due to the unequal distribution of numbers, and it is predictable!
Ok, don't believe me? I propose a challenge for you. Let any member here pick a a sample of 108 random numbers from random.org. That would be 3 cycles of 36. I guarantee there will be at least a 1 to 7 ratio between the hottest number and coldest number. Everytime I win, you pay me $100....if the ratio between hot and cold is worse than 1 to 7, I pay you $100....we'll play 100 games, and see who wins :)
Hell, I don't even want your money. Just the satisfaction of you admitting that bias is a natural part of randomness.
Let me know if you accept the challenge, or at least admit that you could learn a bit more on how randomness works.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 09:07 PM 2018
CHT all the bell curve shows is what i said before in my example. But you cant use that as I already explained. It is mathematically impossible because there are still the same number of pockets and the same payout.
You are correct to say that the bettor can't simply win with this bell curve distribution knowledge alone.
What we know is at the extremes of no repeats and all repeats the probability of occurrence is close to impossible.
This probability increases as the number of repeats approach the average of 12 repeats. This is what a repeaters player exploit.
However, most people are stuck with general's question-
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 04:44 PM 2018
Let me rephrase this for you. Let's say after 16 spins we have 12 numbers that have hit and 26 numbers that have not hit. Which numbers do you feel are more likely to hit? The numbers that have hit or the numbers that have not hit? Why?
I have somewhat answered the question in my earlier posts. To go any further I have to reveal everything that I will not do.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 09:07 PM 2018
... because there are still the same number of pockets and the same payout.
Why it's hard the people here understand the basic?
Either they need something to believe in or some are not smart enough.
Let the players try it for themselves...
It's this simple, the number of pockets available for the ball to land in determines the probability of a number winning.
Steve,
Seems like you're saying that 37 numbers with no repeats have the same chance as any other sequence. Sounds like what Andre was saying earlier, which I tried to explain to him.
Kind of missing the point. Not sure of Turbos game, but if he can win with a repeat then the comparison is all wrong.
You need to compare all cycles with repeats vs all cycles with no repeats. If you ran a simulation of 37 spins 1000 times, Turbo could win with all those with repeats....so how many didn't have any repeats? Its is astronomically small that would even happen. And if that very rare event did happen, would it be enough to offset all the wins? What's the odds that would happen back to back? Same as the odds that the number 12 would show up 37 times straight.
Quote from: The General on Jul 01, 09:25 PM 2018
It's this simple, the number of pockets available for the ball to land in determines the probability of a number winning.
That is correct when you look at it from an individual spin perspective.
Quote from: cht on Jul 01, 09:27 PM 2018
That is correct when you look at it from an individual spin perspective.
It's correct when you look at the next spin.
It's correct when you look at the next series of spins.
And it's correct when you look at the long term.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 05:07 PM 2018
Let's make it simple.
A dice has 6 sides.
The odds of these combinations or any other combinations happening would be the same.
Example:
1-2-3-4-5-6.
2-5-5-6-3-1.
5-3-6-3-1-4.
4-5-3-4-1-6
Etc...
Prove I'm wrong!
Please prove I'm wrong
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 09:15 PM 2018
Read back my example of a few spins and repeaters probability. Its the math behind repeaters, ie. to compare the least likely against the most likely to demonstrate this glaring difference in probability of occurrence .
It just doesnt help change the odds. Such an approach is like saying in 100 spins, I expect there to be around half reds and blacks. Try it. It doesnt work.
So what am i missing? Please, I would like to be wrong then I'd learn something new. I'm serious. Educate me. But if you have nothing to substantiate your claims, then why would I change my position?
The best way to help you understand is this example, ie. to compare the extreme against the most likely to demonstrate the glaring difference in probability of occurrence.
Which do you think is more likely to occur 1st ?
0 0 0 0 0 .......for 37 spins, 1 1 1 1 .......for 37 spins .....and so on......
OR
12 repeats in a sequence of 37 spins ?
The frequency distribution graph provides the answer.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 06:05 PM 2018
Roulette has more numbers than a dice, so it's harder to know which numbers will repeat, how many numbers will repeat and when they will repeat.
A dice has less numbers than a wheel so it's easier to know any number can repeat soon.
Please, put the brain to work
Please prove I'm wrong
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 07:13 PM 2018
Nobody here is retarded. Of course there will be repeaters.
Now pick up two combinations. For example:
1-2-3-4-5-6.
2-5-5-6-3-1.
Now run the test 1000 times. Roll the dice 1000 times.
The avarege that the combinations appears (or don't appear) will be the same.
I insist... Prove I'm wrong!
Please prove I'm wrong
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 01, 07:38 PM 2018
Everybody knows repeaters appears.
The problem is that you will not know which numbers will repeat, how many numbers will repeat, and WHEN they will repeat.
You can win for days or even months, until some day you do not hit the number that will be repeated soon. Then your bankroll is done.
Imho and my advice...
Please prove me I'm wrong
Cht, The later and i already explained that myself. What's your point, exactly?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 09:41 PM 2018
Cht, The later and i already explained that myself. What's your point, exactly?
My main point is this -
repeater or hot number players build their system based on frequency distribution of 37 cycles.
This means the frequency distribution probability is relevant to their game.
More than that is this basic understanding of repeaters or hot numbers as understood by the repeater/hot numbers system player.
This definition is important so that all participants are on the same page to make your comments relevant.
This counter-argument of the probability of individual spins, is correct in itself, is not directly relevant to repeaters system making this thread a disjointed banter.
If thats their approach then it's the same fallacy as expecting a balance in numbers. It doesn't work.
Quote from: cht on Jul 01, 09:51 PM 2018
This counter-argument of the probability of individual spins, is correct in itself, is not directly relevant to repeaters system
You're neglecting the 1 in 37 odds applies to individual spins, which make up groups of spins.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 01, 10:07 PM 2018
If thats their approach then it's the same fallacy as expecting a balance in numbers. It doesn't work.
You're neglecting the 1 in 37 odds applies to individual spins, which make up groups of spins.
Repeaters system players base their model exploiting frequency distribution probability.
This frequency distribution is derived from the individual spin model of 37 pockets.
This does not inversely mean they ignore the probability of individual spins, as you suggest.
Andre try to wrap your head around this since you keep asking questions about it....
Dozens will be the easiest way to explain it... There are 27 possible combinations for a dozen within 3 spins.
21 have a repeat and only 6 don’t have a repeat.
Repeats
111
112
113
121
131
122
133
222
221
223
212
232
211
233
333
331
332
313
323
311
322
No repeat
123
132
213
231
312
321
Now what are the chances with straights? Turbo show them those zeroes hahaha
So Steve chances of getting a repeat within 37 spins far outweighs chances of getting all 37 numbers. A repeater method can win just needs to be built on the concept.
Dyksexlic tried to prove this like a decade ago... you still arguing with ppl about it 😂
Dyksexlic posted this in the old forum
Imagine I have a big bag of 37 numbered balls (each ball has a different number from 0 to 36 printed on it). I cant see the balls in the bag. They are 'randomly' mixed up.
I place my hand in the bag to pick a ball, then write the number down on a sheet of paper. I then place the ball back in the bag, then shake the bag up and mix up the 37 numbers, then place my hand back in the bag and pick another ball, again write the number down on the paper and place the ball back in the bag, and so on...
I keep on picking numbers in this way until I have a list of 38 numbers on my sheet of paper..
When I look at the list of 38 numbers on the paper, I find to my surprise that they are all different numbers EXCEPT one which is written down TWICE.
No matter how many times I repeat the experiment, I always end up with a list of 38 numbers on my sheet of paper with (at least) one number written down TWICE. ALWAYS the same, 36 numbers written down once, and one number written down twice..
(consecutively or not)
I discovered that ALL roulette RNGs (Random Number Generators) MUST follow this repeating number principle. This suddenly took away any UNCERTAINTY associated with placing a bet on roulette.I had done it ! I had BEATEN roulette..
Quote from: cht on Jul 01, 08:47 PM 2018
Another 5consecutive winning games just for you. luck streak looks pretty good. :thumbsup:
The attachment graphs didn't appear. Here it is again.
ok that's all the time I have. take a look at 6th-sense thread if anyone is interested .
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20411.0
Quote from: cht on Jul 01, 10:12 PM 2018Repeaters system players base their model exploiting frequency distribution probability.
Big words, but in what context?
Do you mean the expected frequency that numbers will be distributed?
That doesnt help at all either. Its classic misunderstanding, similar to "there will be a balance".
Still you repeaters guys havent explained one valid theory that can be used to change odds. And if you dont change odds, you've changed nothing.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 12:48 AM 2018
Big words, but in what context?
Do you mean the expected frequency that numbers will be distributed?
That doesnt help at all either. Its classic misunderstanding, similar to "there will be a balance".
Still you repeaters guys havent explained one valid theory that can be used to change odds. And if you dont change odds, you've changed nothing.
You have a valid complain that TG has not revealed how he exploits hotties. :thumbsup:
I'm not asking TG at the moment, I'm asking you. Remember you gave your so-called proof here. If you cant explain how the principle is valid, and I've explained how it is not valid, you may as well have posted nothing.
Just a question to All.
Q.
How many repeats Have you seen Max out before one turned into a tripple ?
And Max spins that this happend?
Thanks.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 01:33 AM 2018
I'm not asking TG at the moment, I'm asking you. Remember you gave your so-called proof here. If you cant explain how the principle is valid, and I've explained how it is not valid, you may as well have posted nothing.
Oh my mistake.
I have answered your question a few times already.
I will not go further then what I have posted on forum.
If anyone is interested, they can read more from 6-th sense thread - the link I posted above.
All I will say is some members have made good bank playing repeaters with real money.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jul 01, 10:21 PM 2018
Dyksexlic posted this in the old forum
! I had BEATEN roulette..
You had beaten your ar**!
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 01:33 AM 2018
I'm not asking TG at the moment, I'm asking you. Remember you gave your so-called proof here. If you cant explain how the principle is valid, and I've explained how it is not valid, you may as well have posted nothing.
About the graphs, Gandhi asked earlier so I obliged him. No worries I wont post that again.
The more i think about Steve, the More i get the feeling that Steve is acting the way he does is maybe hoping that TG or anyone else Will reveil there HG on this Forum :lol: i can't find Any other logical way to explain why he acts like he does.
This won't happen Steve, even with bashing everyone everyday, we are Smart enough not to do that.
Jek
Turbo has no HG to offer, all what he has is losing system that based on a fallacy
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jul 02, 02:03 AM 2018The more i think about Steve, the More i get the feeling that Steve is acting the way he does is maybe hoping that TG or anyone else Will reveil there HG on this Forum
Then you arent too bright.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jul 02, 02:03 AM 2018i can't find Any other logical way to explain why he acts like he does.
And when I argued Earth is round, not flat, it was because I dont want people knowing Earth is really flat.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jul 02, 02:03 AM 2018we are Smart enough
Clearly not. You'll find out eventually. Its not my money.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 02:15 AM 2018
Then you arent too bright.
And when I argued Earth is round, not flat, it was because I dont want people knowing Earth is really flat.
Clearly not. You'll find out eventually. Its not my money.
You are correct.
I and everyone agree with you.
Those repeater guys are making bank.
It is their money to gain or lose.
They will find out eventually
You have spammed this thread with your opinion like an old broken record that got stuck.
We heard you loud and clear.
Shall you start by doing what you wrote ?
Mind your own business.
There's no Hg! There's no secret! There's no a magic formula!
The system is: Bet hot numbers and use a progression to chase your losses.
Casinos provide hot numbers for you to watch. Why? Because the casino wants you to think that you have control of the game. The casinos deceive you.
And Jek, do you think you could try to not attack the messenger. Stick to the logic and math. Understand what is being said. My motives are really simple. Much the same as arguing the world is not flat.
If you cant argue constructively and provide verifiable information and claims to contribute, then stay off the thread.
So far none of the repeaters people have provided a single shred of useful and verifiable information. Its all just talk so far. Anything that is actually provided is incorrect, but you guys clearly aren't understanding why.
So again, stop throwing rocks and keep it relevant.
I already know what turbos system does, or attempts to do. He already gave enough information. the problem is its wrong.
Basically he's betting on the numbers as they appear to be turning hot, with the expectation that they'll continue to be hot. And he uses progression on the numbers. It doesnt work.
For example, he'll start logging numbers and when one repeats, he'll bet on it. When another repeats, he'll bet on it too. The concept is simple, but again it doesnt work.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 02, 02:22 AM 2018
There's no Hg! There's no secret! There's no a magic formula!
The system is: Bet hot numbers and use a progression to chase your losses.
Casinos provide hot numbers for you to watch. Why? Because the casino wants you to think that you have control of the game. The casinos deceive you.
This must be the most stupidest comment I’ve heard for a while..the casino providing hot numbers😄😄😄
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jul 02, 02:27 AM 2018
This must be the most stupidest comment I’ve heard for a while..the casino providing hot numbers😄😄😄
Please be polite
I think you did not understand me. Casinos privides large panels where you can look up the hot numbers.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 02, 02:32 AM 2018
Please be polite
I think you did not understand me. Casinos privides large panels where you can look up the hot numbers.
Some unknown repeaters player made a lot of money when those hot numbers that you see on the large screen hit. :thumbsup:
This is what happens when you bet hot numbers (front runners) on the premise that only they can reach X repeats because they've repeated already:
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/t8x7eaf63/image.png)
You need a casino with $10K house limits, and it sure doesn't win flat-betting! And this is without any house edge, BV-style...
2nd Dozen repeat below: all overtaken by a sleeper..
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
2 1 1 2 3 3 3
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 2 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 3 2 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 3
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 2 3 3 3
1 1 2 3 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 2 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 2
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
2 1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 2 3 3
There's only so many ways you can play 2 repeats of a dozen based on the front runners. I can bet the front runner till I get the 2nd repeat:
11 1
11 21
11 231
Or I can stop early if I don't get the 2nd repeat in X spins:
11 23
Or I can wait out certain spins or change to a different front runner, etc.
I have tried every possible way of playing 2 repeats, but the long term result is always the same: break even! It doesn't even tilt one side to wins/losses. It's just plain old break even. I have attached a spreadsheet so people can test for themselves based on 1 million spins:
Download dozens2repeats.xlsx... (link:://:.rarekungfumovies.com/dozens2repeats.xlsx)
If we cannot tilt 1 repeat of a dozen and we cannot tilt 2 repeats of a dozen then it follows that the numbers game is also break even.
You are either randomly guessing or trying to follow a previous set of random past spins, so the result is the same.
12... I guess dozen 1+3 and I have a 66% chance of winning.
12... I guess a 1+2 repeat and I have a 66% chance of winning.
I never won the repeat. I won the 66% chance bet - one or more independent static bets. The repeat formed by itself as a natural pattern based on the "unique" labels I chose for 1 and 2. Another player at the table who played the 2 spins before I arrived could have labelled them as a repeat instead of uniques:
1212
We cannot predict repeats/uniques. The wheel doesn't make any distinctions - it's us that places the labels depending on our viewpoint.
I just spun number 7 - dozen 1 again:
1
Now the properties of that dozen 1 has everything to do with whatever past number sequence I decide to put in front of it:
2 1... here it's a unique
12 1... here our 1 is a 1st repeat
1231 1... here our 1 is a 2nd repeat
So it all depends what random past spins you take in order to determine whether something has repeated or not. One man's repeat is another man's unique. Again, cannot be used for prediction.
I'll prove that you cannot predict a repeat:
Each dozen is equally-likely:
1
2
3
Now I can take any 2 unique dozens and put them in front of the above, and I will end up with more chance of a repeat:
1
122
3
1
312
3
So I didn't predict anything - patterns form independent of my prediction
I blindly look back on the marquee and find a number (9) that is dozen 1:
1...
Now I have 33% chance for dozen 1,2 or 3 some 10 spins later...
11...
or
12...
or
13...
However, since 2/3 outcomes don't match the earlier dozen 1, there is a 66% chance the dozen will be different to any past (random) dozen I decide to put in front of the latest dozen:
12...
or
13...
Again, there's 33% chance we can get dozen 1,2 or 3 next spin, but when I put it after 2 previous unique dozens from the past I get a 66% chance of matching one of them - simply by the laws of number sequences (combinatorics) and natural patterns:
121
122
131
133
So the repeat has nothing to do with prediction - it's an illusion that hides the fact we are playing individual static bets - resulting in break even over the long-term.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 02, 02:32 AM 2018
Please be polite
I think you did not understand me. Casinos privides large panels where you can look up the hot numbers.
Sorry Andre ..was the comment alone ..and again just because you steve and everyone else cannot fathom what works and you all know definitely what doesn’t..you cannot make the claim a system doesn’t work..
No one would tell..it’s a catch 22
Yes the odds are there steve there’s no disputing that
But what else is there too
What the Ying to your yang
Think you all need to read my thread over and over
No disputes on the odds and there’s no disputes on what happens in a 37 spin cycle
The casino cannot get away from that game after game continuously
Turbo already revealed his system. Here, it would be virtually identical to this:
1. Start betting 1 unit on any hit numbers. These are mostly just placeholders for now to track whcih numbers he believes is "becoming hot". Focus on 37 spin cycles.
2. When you get a repeater, just bet on the repeater, but with larger bet (progression). Do this the same for any repeaters. Gradually increase bet size each time a number repeats in the cycle. Bet only the "hot numbers".
3. Keep going until you either finish the cycle or have increased your bankroll. Then go back to step 1, but starting with a higher bet. Repeat.
It doesn't work for the reason I already explained. Check Turbos logic and claims. The system I've explained is it.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 02:59 AM 2018
Turbo already revealed his system. Here, it would be virtually identical to this:
1. Start betting 1 unit on any hit numbers. These are mostly just placeholders for now to track whcih numbers he believes is "becoming hot". Focus on 37 spin cycles.
2. When you get a repeater, just bet on the repeater, but with larger bet (progression). Do this the same for any repeaters. Gradually increase bet size each time a number repeats in the cycle. Bet only the "hot numbers".
3. Keep going until you either finish the cycle or have increased your bankroll. Then go back to step 1, but starting with a higher bet. Repeat.
It doesn't work for the reason I already explained. Check Turbos logic and claims. The system I've explained is it.
You got TG's system. :thumbsup:
According to you it doesn't work. Move on.
Stop spamming. :lol:
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 02:59 AM 2018
Turbo already revealed his system. Here, it would be virtually identical to this:
1. Start betting 1 unit on any hit numbers. These are mostly just placeholders for now to track whcih numbers he believes is "becoming hot". Focus on 37 spin cycles.
2. When you get a repeater, just bet on the repeater, but with larger bet (progression). Do this the same for any repeaters. Gradually increase bet size each time a number repeats in the cycle. Bet only the "hot numbers".
3. Keep going until you either finish the cycle or have increased your bankroll. Then go back to step 1, but starting with a higher bet. Repeat.
It doesn't work for the reason I already explained. Check Turbos logic and claims. The system I've explained is it.
That’s not turbos system!
What you just described will lose! Nobody try this at home! It will fail!
If that’s your understanding of his system after pages and pages of this conversation. You my friend are lost 😂
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 03:14 AM 2018
AndreChass, why do you act like you are a frigging roulette guru? You know nothing. I remember you joining not so long ago asking people for a winning strategy and you were betting the Romanosky strategy daily. But I must say your English has improved along the way unlike jekhb (Eddy's) and passionruleta. Stop acting like you know-it-all remember when you've started there was something wrong with your leg or back and you were saying you have no life and that you have like 5000 dollars or euro left and wanted to have a life. So stop patronizing and remember where you come from.
Also chasing repeaters only is losing in the long run. Flatbetting and winning is possible, but you need to a firm understanding of a spin cycle. Because a cycle has it's limits, every single time.
There's nothing wrong with my English. What makes you think that?
Pointing out all your mistakes is going to take me millions of years. Just your last two posts for now :
Reveil = reveal
Tripple =triple
Also your use of capital letters is terrible.
People here notice it too, but none has corrected you.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jul 02, 03:14 AM 2018
That’s not turbos system!
What you just described will lose! Nobody try this at home! It will fail!
If that’s your understanding of his system after pages and pages of this conversation. You my friend are lost 😂
What detail is Steve missing re: Turbo's? Are you able to quote anything from all those pages? Otherwise we have to accept that all Turbo has naively revealed is covered by Steve's summary. There is nothing special about hot numbers as Turbo continues to emphasise and as addressed by Steve. What hasn't Steve addressed? There's nothing in this... myths have been dispelled. Even your tests failed too: 4 streams and positions. Everything just breaks even, so let's just accept reality. If there is a way to win then this thread has zero merit. There's no original ideas here...
QuoteAlso chasing repeaters only is losing in the long run. Flatbetting and winning is possible, but you need to a firm understanding of a spin cycle. Because a cycle has it's limits, every single time.
What are the limits of a spin cycle? That you are guaranteed to win in 25 bets time of increasing size? Or that you are guaranteed to lose a 10K bankroll?
Agreed, Falkor although your ideas and way of thinking come across as a bit weird or odd at least you try to approach the game with a bit out-of-the-box-thinking.
Most guys here recycle old stuff again and again and sugarcoat it.
It's limits is that if you play non-stop your bankroll survives/profits. Doesn't matter if it's 1, 2, 10 or 5000 spin cycles.
You see, many people on different roulette forums that have claimed (or maybe they do have) an hg, exploit the very same weakness of the game.
Whether it's betting straight numbers, colors, two dozens or two columns. It all comes down to the same thing.
QuoteIt's limits is that if you play non-stop your bankroll survives/profits. Doesn't matter if it's 1, 2, 10 or 5000 spin cycles.
The opposite is true, unfortunately:
link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_ruin
What i've meant was, your bankroll will go up and down as to the very nature of this game, in waves and clusters. But your bankroll needs to in-sync with the waves, to profit you need to take the profit and reset your bankroll.
Rinse and repeat.
A solid impossible-to-lose method won't deplete your bankroll.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 03:51 AM 2018
What i've meant was, your bankroll will go up and down as to the very nature of this game, in waves and clusters. But your bankroll needs to in-sync with the waves, to profit you need to take the profit and reset your bankroll.
Rinse and repeat.
A solid impossible-to-lose method won't deplete your bankroll.
The waves are the variance - has been shown to be independent too on a permutation-by-permutation basis, and thus inexploitable. Back to the repeats game, even reddwarf had this to say:
"Remember, when people talk about repeats, they want to use a repeat as a winning event: wrong! They forget that there is a lot happening between repeats (unique numbers).
1. Betting on an unique does not work (=guessing game)
2. Betting on a repeat is not going to work (=guessing game)"
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 03:51 AM 2018
What i've meant was, your bankroll will go up and down as to the very nature of this game, in waves and clusters. But your bankroll needs to in-sync with the waves, to profit you need to take the profit and reset your bankroll.
Rinse and repeat.
A solid impossible-to-lose method won't deplete your bankroll.
Correct :thumbsup:
Hmm...... you can sort of avoid the negative wave.....by staying out.
Falkor why is it OR.
It should be AND.
Do both at all times, uniques and repeats. Catch the waves.
It indicates when it happens.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jul 02, 03:14 AM 2018That’s not turbos system!
Actually, it is. There a few minor variations but thats basically it.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 04:02 AM 2018
Actually, it is. There a few minor variations but thats basically it.
If that's what you understand of TG's method, seriously you know nothing.
It's ok not your fault TG has revealed nothing, remember.
Also why do people think that TG has the infallible method ?
I agree he has contributed a lot to the online roulette community and was way ahead of it's time with his systems and ideas.
But what makes you think he has the grail and look at him as the messiah of roulette ?
I just don't get it.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 04:00 AM 2018
Falkor why is it OR.
It should be AND.
Do both at all times, uniques and repeats. Catch the waves.
It indicates when it happens.
You are in a dream world; I learnt from the same story-tellers as you, but the difference is: I've tested this shit inside-out to the point where 99% of my brain power has gone to Roulette testing and 1% has gone to the people who have employed me and paid my salary over the past 3 years. Firstly, if you have parallel streams you can bet uniques and repeats at the same time - but the result is still break even. The waves comprise of "dispersion" and "concentration", but this variance cannot be "followed" or "surfed" since there is no guaranteed deficit or recovery on a permutation-by-permutation basis. And don't let averages fool you in any of these contexts. Anyhow, Turbo's system is a lot more simple than that. He only bets hotties.
Quote from: cht on Jul 02, 04:04 AM 2018It's ok not your fault TG has revealed nothing, remember.
Actually he revealed pretty much everything. He said it himself. Just some of us know how to piece it together.
Check each of his clues. Ive known for some time.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 04:19 AM 2018
Actually he revealed pretty much everything. He said it himself. Just some of us know how to piece it together.
Check each of his clues. Ive known for some time.
If you insist.
Falkor, I have done EXACTLY the same like you. I have even survived thousands of spins in my landbased casino here untill it busted.
But seriously try again. Check the last 8 spins after every single spin and it indicates what the wheel is giving you at that time and also where to bet.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 04:25 AM 2018
Falkor, I have done EXACTLY the same like you. I have even survived thousands of spins in my landbased casino here untill it busted.
But seriously try again. Check the last 8 spins after every single spin and it indicates what the wheel is giving you at that time and also where to bet.
I am sorry, but past spins do not tell you anything about the future. Each spin is independent, and results in a break even game. You are preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, but it's simply story-tellers playing games who do not have your best interest at heart and enjoy fooling the masses:
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/ig9wu454r/prayer.png)
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 04:19 AM 2018
Just some of us know how to piece it together.
Check each of his clues. Ive known for some time.
You aren’t one of those who pieced it together and it’s very clear in your questions to him.
Btw turbo doesn’t play every repeater!
Can people just stop claiming about how Turbo plays, only Turbo knows how Turbo plays.
Period. FFS.
Quote from: MoneyT101 on Jul 02, 04:37 AM 2018
You aren’t one of those who pieced it together and it’s very clear in your questions to him.
Btw turbo doesn’t play every repeater!
Makes no difference - see below in red:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 02, 02:38 AM 2018
This is what happens when you bet hot numbers (front runners) on the premise that only they can reach X repeats because they've repeated already:
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/t8x7eaf63/image.png)
You need a casino with $10K house limits, and it sure doesn't win flat-betting! And this is without any house edge, BV-style...
2nd Dozen repeat below: all overtaken by a sleeper..
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
2 1 1 2 3 3 3
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 2 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 3 2 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 3
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 2 3 3 3
1 1 2 3 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 2 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 2
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
2 1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 2 3 3
There's only so many ways you can play 2 repeats of a dozen based on the front runners. I can bet the front runner till I get the 2nd repeat:
11 1
11 21
11 231
Or I can stop early if I don't get the 2nd repeat in X spins:
11 23
Or I can wait out certain spins or change to a different front runner, etc.
I have tried every possible way of playing 2 repeats, but the long term result is always the same: break even![/b] It doesn't even tilt one side to wins/losses. It's just plain old break even. I have attached a spreadsheet so people can test for themselves based on 1 million spins:
Download dozens2repeats.xlsx... (link:://:.rarekungfumovies.com/dozens2repeats.xlsx)
If we cannot tilt 1 repeat of a dozen and we cannot tilt 2 repeats of a dozen then it follows that the numbers game is also break even.
You are either randomly guessing or trying to follow a previous set of random past spins, so the result is the same.
12... I guess dozen 1+3 and I have a 66% chance of winning.
12... I guess a 1+2 repeat and I have a 66% chance of winning.
I never won the repeat. I won the 66% chance bet - one or more independent static bets. The repeat formed by itself as a natural pattern based on the "unique" labels I chose for 1 and 2. Another player at the table who played the 2 spins before I arrived could have labelled them as a repeat instead of uniques:
1212
We cannot predict repeats/uniques. The wheel doesn't make any distinctions - it's us that places the labels depending on our viewpoint.
I just spun number 7 - dozen 1 again:
1
Now the properties of that dozen 1 has everything to do with whatever past number sequence I decide to put in front of it:
2 1... here it's a unique
12 1... here our 1 is a 1st repeat
1231 1... here our 1 is a 2nd repeat
So it all depends what random past spins you take in order to determine whether something has repeated or not. One man's repeat is another man's unique. Again, cannot be used for prediction.
I'll prove that you cannot predict a repeat:
Each dozen is equally-likely:
1
2
3
Now I can take any 2 unique dozens and put them in front of the above, and I will end up with more chance of a repeat:
1
122
3
1
312
3
So I didn't predict anything - patterns form independent of my prediction
I blindly look back on the marquee and find a number (9) that is dozen 1:
1...
Now I have 33% chance for dozen 1,2 or 3 some 10 spins later...
11...
or
12...
or
13...
However, since 2/3 outcomes don't match the earlier dozen 1, there is a 66% chance the dozen will be different to any past (random) dozen I decide to put in front of the latest dozen:
12...
or
13...
Again, there's 33% chance we can get dozen 1,2 or 3 next spin, but when I put it after 2 previous unique dozens from the past I get a 66% chance of matching one of them - simply by the laws of number sequences (combinatorics) and natural patterns:
121
122
131
133
So the repeat has nothing to do with prediction - it's an illusion that hides the fact we are playing individual static bets - resulting in break even over the long-term.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 04:40 AM 2018
Can people just stop claiming about how Turbo plays, only Turbo knows how Turbo plays.
Period. FFS.
Does what he said about his system count for anything? ::) you don't know what i know.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 04:40 AM 2018
Can people just stop claiming about how Turbo plays, only Turbo knows how Turbo plays.
Period. FFS.
The thread is called turbo, so clearly turbo method is th topic...your comment is the definition of insanity 🤦â€â™,ï¸🤷â€â™,ï¸
Stop opening the topic if you have a problem with it
@steve, I seriously don't give a dime about his system or way of playing.
Falkor, ofcourse each spin is independent. But if you are in a casino, you see the dealer has spun the zero spiel sector the last 5 times, the logical way would be to bet the trend right?
At least once or twice.
We usually get one or so self professed gurus who make bogus claims like they "never lose", and some naive people believe it.
The naive and unknowledgeable members fight to protect their guru, without understanding. The experienced players explain the mistakes, and get attacked by the guru followers, usually accusing the experienced players of ulterior motives/conspiracy.
In the end, the followers either eventually learn better, as some already have, or keep going in circles looking for the secret sauce, chasing tails.
Again it happens at least one a year :yawn:
I'll spend less time on it now. I'll just need to be patient and keep in mind some people are just sincerely slow, but all truth comes out eventually. If im proven wrong, I'll gladly admit it because truth comes before pride.
Anyway i can't be bothered anymore. Its not my money and I've wasted enough time. My responses on it will only be brief.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 05:07 AM 2018
We usually get one or so self professed gurus who make bogus claims like they "never lose", and some naive people believe it.
The naive and unknowledgeable members fight to protect their guru, without understanding. The experienced players explain the mistakes, and get attacked by the guru followers, usually accusing the experienced players of ulterior motives/conspiracy.
In the end, the followers either eventually learn better, as some already have, or keep going in circles looking for the secret sauce, chasing tails.
Again it happens at least one a year :yawn:
I'll spend less time on it now. I'll just need to be patient and keep in mind some people are just sincerely slow, but all truth comes out eventually. If im proven wrong, I'll gladly admit it because truth comes before pride.
Anyway i can't be bothered anymore. Its not my money and I've wasted enough time. My responses on it will only be brief.
Finally, after 195 pages you made a sensible non-spam post. :thumbsup:
Not sure if others are defending TG or not.
I am not. I am a baccarat player, remember.
But yes I have learnt something from him about roulette repeaters. :thumbsup:
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 05:00 AM 2018
Falkor, ofcourse each spin is independent. But if you are in a casino, you see the dealer has spun the zero spiel sector the last 5 times, the logical way would be to bet the trend right?
At least once or twice.
Nope - each spin is independent, so that means there's an equal chance of landing on zero or another number next spin. However, if you take 5 zeroes from past (random) spins and put them in front of the next spin that turns out to be another zero (by luck) then it forms a nice multiple repeat pattern that deceptively makes the zero look more special than other equally-likely numbers - simply a "repeats illusion" at work that disguises the fact our bets are really static and independent of previous past spins - see below in red:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 02, 02:38 AM 2018
This is what happens when you bet hot numbers (front runners) on the premise that only they can reach X repeats because they've repeated already:
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/t8x7eaf63/image.png)
You need a casino with $10K house limits, and it sure doesn't win flat-betting! And this is without any house edge, BV-style...
2nd Dozen repeat below: all overtaken by a sleeper..
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
2 1 1 2 3 3 3
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 2 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 3 2 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 3
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 2 3 3 3
1 1 2 3 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 2 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 2
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
2 1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 2 3 3
There's only so many ways you can play 2 repeats of a dozen based on the front runners. I can bet the front runner till I get the 2nd repeat:
11 1
11 21
11 231
Or I can stop early if I don't get the 2nd repeat in X spins:
11 23
Or I can wait out certain spins or change to a different front runner, etc.
I have tried every possible way of playing 2 repeats, but the long term result is always the same: break even! It doesn't even tilt one side to wins/losses. It's just plain old break even. I have attached a spreadsheet so people can test for themselves based on 1 million spins:
Download dozens2repeats.xlsx... (link:://:.rarekungfumovies.com/dozens2repeats.xlsx)
If we cannot tilt 1 repeat of a dozen and we cannot tilt 2 repeats of a dozen then it follows that the numbers game is also break even.
You are either randomly guessing or trying to follow a previous set of random past spins, so the result is the same.
12... I guess dozen 1+3 and I have a 66% chance of winning.
12... I guess a 1+2 repeat and I have a 66% chance of winning.
I never won the repeat. I won the 66% chance bet - one or more independent static bets. The repeat formed by itself as a natural pattern based on the "unique" labels I chose for 1 and 2. Another player at the table who played the 2 spins before I arrived could have labelled them as a repeat instead of uniques:
1212
We cannot predict repeats/uniques. The wheel doesn't make any distinctions - it's us that places the labels depending on our viewpoint.
I just spun number 7 - dozen 1 again:
1
Now the properties of that dozen 1 has everything to do with whatever past number sequence I decide to put in front of it:
2 1... here it's a unique
12 1... here our 1 is a 1st repeat
1231 1... here our 1 is a 2nd repeat
So it all depends what random past spins you take in order to determine whether something has repeated or not. One man's repeat is another man's unique. Again, cannot be used for prediction.
I'll prove that you cannot predict a repeat:
Each dozen is equally-likely:
1
2
3
Now I can take any 2 unique dozens and put them in front of the above, and I will end up with more chance of a repeat:
1
122
3
1
312
3
So I didn't predict anything - patterns form independent of my prediction
I blindly look back on the marquee and find a number (9) that is dozen 1:
1...
Now I have 33% chance for dozen 1,2 or 3 some 10 spins later...
11...
or
12...
or
13...
However, since 2/3 outcomes don't match the earlier dozen 1, there is a 66% chance the dozen will be different to any past (random) dozen I decide to put in front of the latest dozen:
12...
or
13...
Again, there's 33% chance we can get dozen 1,2 or 3 next spin, but when I put it after 2 previous unique dozens from the past I get a 66% chance of matching one of them - simply by the laws of number sequences (combinatorics) and natural patterns:
121
122
131
133
So the repeat has nothing to do with prediction - it's an illusion that hides the fact we are playing individual static bets - resulting in break even over the long-term.
Quote from: cht on Jul 02, 05:14 AM 2018I am a baccarat player, remember.
Baccarat is for pussies. I have substantiating information.
So dealer signature, speed and velocity and spinning direction are all BS as well Falkor? Now I'm talking about physics in combination with what the board shows.
I don't think you get my point.
Ps: forgot to mention VB.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 05:21 AM 2018
Baccarat is for pussies. I have substantiating information.
You have the right to your opinion, free speech remember. :thumbsup:
Ok.. pussy.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 05:23 AM 2018
So dealer signature, speed and velocity and spinning direction are all BS as well Falkor? Now I'm talking about physics in combination with what the board shows.
I don't think you get my point.
Physics is different, but Turbo's method is based on Maths. I am talking from a maths perspective. Please don't twist things around.
I'm not talking about turbo's method. I am talking about uniques and repeats and the marquee. You talk like i use magic to predict future outcomes and past spins are useless. Past spins aid you into seeing what the wheel and dealer was doing before, that's what I was talking about. Like when you see three or four times 14 on your marquee the chance that 20 or 31 might show up. Not due to magic, but because the dealer might be spinning with the same ball release, in the same direction or maybe because he or she was tired and casino is closing soon. But anyhow the marquee helps you with the system.
Physics is not different, in order to play a good system you need to understand physics, do not separate them like the rest of them fools.
Also Falkor i am not Priyanka or any of those storytellers. There is no voodoo or magic. It all goes down to probability, it has 37 pockets and it 37 spins with 37 uniques is still impossible.
Also show me how you can break even with playing 2 dozens in the long term.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 05:37 AM 2018
I'm not talking about turbo's method. I am talking about uniques and repeats and the marquee. You talk like i use magic to predict future outcomes and past spins are useless. Past spins aid you into seeing what the wheel and dealer was doing before, that's what I was talking about. Like when you see three or four times 14 on your marquee the chance that 20 or 31 might show up. Not due to magic, but because the dealer might be spinning with the same ball release, in the same direction or maybe because he or she was tired and casino is closing soon. But anyhow the marquee helps you with the system.
Physics is not different, in order to play a good system you need to understand physics, do not separate them like the rest of them fools.
If you are interested in physics and not Turbo's method then I suggest starting a new topic and maybe purchasing one of Steve's computers. However, repeats and uniques is purely based on maths and pretty combinatoric patterns, but doesn't help predict the next (independent) spin in Roulette nor escape what is essentially a break even game of different playing positions comprising proportionate probabilities vs. payout odds with superadded house advantage.
QuoteAlso show me how you can break even with playing 2 dozens in the long term.
I have run hundreds of tests based on templates involving repeats/uniques, and
NONE of them win or lose - they
ALL break even after so many spins. I can then add
one zero and it becomes a losing game. If I add
two zeroes it becomes an
even greater losing game.
That's the thing it's either turbo's math or steve/Caleb's physics and computers.
You need both to win, it's not about choosing wutang or shaolin. You fight to win.
But I rest my case, you've clearly chosen yours.
OF COURSE they break even! That's the whole bloody point! Roulette is a balanced game in the long run. Odd even black red high low, only the zero brings it out of balance.
You know all this why can't you take advantage out of it.
junscissorhands, if you are aiming to play multiple sessions each week and trying to profit like Turbo's stage show then your game is guaranteed to break even and eventually lose 2.7% or 5.4% to the house. You cannot take advantage of that because it's a game of independent spins with proportionate ratios and payout odds. You cannot escape break even by betting hot numbers or missing out certain spins because the result is always the same: break even and eventual loss. Somebody told me before I needed both, but empirical evidence through experimentation shows otherwise, so find your true self instead of joining somebody else's cult and living their life. Do your own testing.
Again, I do not follow turbo's way of play, but Vaddi's, yes.
Anyway I don't want to overload this thread with all our discussion. As this is turbos thread and I respect it and it's followers, just not my cup of tea.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 03:27 AM 2018
Pointing out all your mistakes is going to take me millions of years. Just your last two posts for now :
Reveil = reveal
Tripple =triple
Also your use of capital letters is terrible.
People here notice it too, but none has corrected you.
That's not my bad english, but my auto correct function on my phone :question:
Again, use my poor English instead of my bad English.
Personal or not you have always misled people here and on other forums. Stop doing that and making false claims.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 08:28 AM 2018
Again, use my poor English instead of my bad English.
Personal or not you have always misled people here and on other forums. Stop doing that and making false claims.
give it a rest. You are getting personal.
Its not an English lesson, and yes,
its has a
' so sue me.
PS - Never involve anyone's family in this. It's way below the belt. You shouldn't even do that to your worst enemy.
True I take that back, but it's also a wake up call for someone who is so addicted into gambling and letting your wife work while you stay at home doing nothing but roulette. Is that fair?
Think about it.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 10:12 AM 2018
True I take that back, but it's also a wake up call for someone who is so addicted into gambling and letting your wife work while you stay at home doing nothing but roulette. Is that fair?
Think about it.
Come on junscissorhands
Personal matters is way below the belt.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 10:12 AM 2018
True I take that back, but it's also a wake up call for someone who is so addicted into gambling and letting your wife work while you stay at home doing nothing but roulette. Is that fair?
Think about it.
Sounds like u know eddy
Personally and if so you know his circumstances...it has nothing to do with any of us his personal life and there’s no need to plaster it on this forum..that’s low
I do not know him personally, but I know his situation and I do not condone that type of behavior. That's not what being a man is about.
But I get the point, no point of being all parrots saying the same thing. I am not in a zoo, am I?
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 02, 11:01 AM 2018But I get the point, no point of being all parrots saying the same thing. I am not in a zoo, am I?
Excellent.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 05:21 AM 2018
Baccarat is for pussies. I have substantiating information.
I think computers are for pussies too
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 02, 01:05 PM 2018I think computers are for pussies too
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Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 02, 01:05 PM 2018
I think computers are for pussies too
:thumbsup:
No they put hair on your chest. I can understand the confusion
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 02:59 AM 2018Turbo already revealed his system. Here, it would be virtually identical to this:
Nope lol
But at least you're paying attention to some of the things I said.
It's at least a start, you'll get there.
Turbo, You and I know. But others dont. :thumbsup:
I know playing a single number, you can see a number go cold well over 200 spins. If playing all repeaters that come up before one repeats a 3rd time, can we see a negative variance like the singles? Anyone ever test this?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 02, 04:39 PM 2018
No they put hair on your chest. I can understand the confusion
Would be better on your head baldy :girl_to:
Yes, it would be. But I have enough up there to keep me going.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 02, 05:53 PM 2018
I know playing a single number, you can see a number go cold well over 200 spins. If playing all repeaters that come up before one repeats a 3rd time, can we see a negative variance like the singles? Anyone ever test this?
What are you talking about!? Your questions are very vague and muddled again with no examples. Numbers can go cold for up to 500 spins! Variance is not exploitable because it's independent to the previous game and takes it's own direction at random times as we've discussed over and over. All repeat games break even. There's only so many ways you can play a couple of repeats - and each variation results in a break even game - see below in red.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 02, 02:38 AM 2018
This is what happens when you bet hot numbers (front runners) on the premise that only they can reach X repeats because they've repeated already:
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/t8x7eaf63/image.png)
You need a casino with $10K house limits, and it sure doesn't win flat-betting! And this is without any house edge, BV-style...
2nd Dozen repeat below: all overtaken by a sleeper..
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
2 1 1 2 3 3 3
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 2 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 3 2 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 3
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 2 3 3 3
1 1 2 3 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 2 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 2
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
2 1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 2 3 3
There's only so many ways you can play 2 repeats of a dozen based on the front runners. I can bet the front runner till I get the 2nd repeat:
11 1
11 21
11 231
Or I can stop early if I don't get the 2nd repeat in X spins:
11 23
Or I can wait out certain spins or change to a different front runner, etc.
I have tried every possible way of playing 2 repeats, but the long term result is always the same: break even! It doesn't even tilt one side to wins/losses. It's just plain old break even. I have attached a spreadsheet so people can test for themselves based on 1 million spins:
Download dozens2repeats.xlsx... (link:://:.rarekungfumovies.com/dozens2repeats.xlsx)
If we cannot tilt 1 repeat of a dozen and we cannot tilt 2 repeats of a dozen then it follows that the numbers game is also break even.
You are either randomly guessing or trying to follow a previous set of random past spins, so the result is the same.
12... I guess dozen 1+3 and I have a 66% chance of winning.
12... I guess a 1+2 repeat and I have a 66% chance of winning.
I never won the repeat. I won the 66% chance bet - one or more independent static bets. The repeat formed by itself as a natural pattern based on the "unique" labels I chose for 1 and 2. Another player at the table who played the 2 spins before I arrived could have labelled them as a repeat instead of uniques:
1212
We cannot predict repeats/uniques. The wheel doesn't make any distinctions - it's us that places the labels depending on our viewpoint.
I just spun number 7 - dozen 1 again:
1
Now the properties of that dozen 1 has everything to do with whatever past number sequence I decide to put in front of it:
2 1... here it's a unique
12 1... here our 1 is a 1st repeat
1231 1... here our 1 is a 2nd repeat
So it all depends what random past spins you take in order to determine whether something has repeated or not. One man's repeat is another man's unique. Again, cannot be used for prediction.
I'll prove that you cannot predict a repeat:
Each dozen is equally-likely:
1
2
3
Now I can take any 2 unique dozens and put them in front of the above, and I will end up with more chance of a repeat:
1
122
3
1
312
3
So I didn't predict anything - patterns form independent of my prediction
I blindly look back on the marquee and find a number (9) that is dozen 1:
1...
Now I have 33% chance for dozen 1,2 or 3 some 10 spins later...
11...
or
12...
or
13...
However, since 2/3 outcomes don't match the earlier dozen 1, there is a 66% chance the dozen will be different to any past (random) dozen I decide to put in front of the latest dozen:
12...
or
13...
Again, there's 33% chance we can get dozen 1,2 or 3 next spin, but when I put it after 2 previous unique dozens from the past I get a 66% chance of matching one of them - simply by the laws of number sequences (combinatorics) and natural patterns:
121
122
131
133
So the repeat has nothing to do with prediction - it's an illusion that hides the fact we are playing individual static bets - resulting in break even over the long-term.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 02, 05:53 PM 2018If playing all repeaters that come up before one repeats a 3rd time, can we see a negative variance like the singles? Anyone ever test this?
This is a bit ambiguous. Do you mean what's the longest losing run if you bet on all numbers which have hit twice? You can't really compare it with betting on a single number because obviously you would be betting more than one number, and the more numbers you're betting the shorter the losing run will be.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 02, 05:53 PM 2018If playing all repeaters that come up before one repeats a 3rd time, can we see a negative variance like the singles? Anyone ever test this?
Been tested countless times. Still averages 1 in 37. Still not listening.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 02, 05:53 PM 2018Anyone ever test this?
The way to test it properly would be like this :
1. Wait until a number has repeated and bet on it.
2. When you make the bet as instructed in (1) place another bet on a single number selected at random.
3. Continue to place more bets on numbers which repeat, and everytime you do this select another number at random and bet on it too.
4. When you get a win, stop.
5. Repeat steps 1-4 several dozen times (at least), then compare data from both groups.
So you have a "control group" (betting random numbers) which is betting in tandem with the "treatment group" (betting repeats). The only difference between the 2 systems is the numbers you're betting on (the amount of numbers you bet on is the same in both). You could also use a progression if you like, but it must be exactly the same for both systems.
This is a basic requirement for good experimental design; everything must stay the same for both "experiments" except for the one attribute of interest (in this case the bet selection). The hypothesis is that betting on repeats are better, but better than what? In this case the experiment is trying to find out whether it's better than betting randomly. So if the results show that you win more often when betting on repeats you can be sure that it's actually betting on the repeats which makes the difference and not something else like the amount of numbers or the money management, because these are the same in the control group. But if there is no significant difference it shows picking the repeats has no effect; you might as well pick any random numbers.
All this might seem obvious but hardly anyone seems to do a proper test like this for bet selections.
My guess is that Turbo hasn't done a test like this for his system, and that it's only the progression which is doing the work.
@CoderJoe....that's a nice idea, but how long would you need to test to arrive at a conclusion. For example, if you were just testing 1/2/3 numbers, the variance could make both ways seem like winners even though at least one of them obviously isn't.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jul 03, 04:12 AM 2018
The way to test it properly would be like this :
1. Wait until a number has repeated and bet on it.
2. When you make the bet as instructed in (1) place another bet on a single number selected at random.
3. Continue to place more bets on numbers which repeat, and everytime you do this select another number at random and bet on it too.
4. When you get a win, stop.
5. Repeat steps 1-4 several dozen times (at least), then compare data from both groups.
So you have a "control group" (betting random numbers) which is betting in tandem with the "treatment group" (betting repeats). The only difference between the 2 systems is the numbers you're betting on (the amount of numbers you bet on is the same in both). You could also use a progression if you like, but it must be exactly the same for both systems.
This is a basic requirement for good experimental design; everything must stay the same for both "experiments" except for the one attribute of interest (in this case the bet selection). The hypothesis is that betting on repeats are better, but better than what? In this case the experiment is trying to find out whether it's better than betting randomly. So if the results show that you win more often when betting on repeats you can be sure that it's actually betting on the repeats which makes the difference and not something else like the amount of numbers or the money management, because these are the same in the control group. But if there is no significant difference it shows picking the repeats has no effect; you might as well pick any random numbers.
All this might seem obvious but hardly anyone seems to do a proper test like this for bet selections.
My guess is that Turbo hasn't done a test like this for his system, and that it's only the progression which is doing the work.
You haven't understood, but neither did I till I ran hundreds of tests over the course of 3 years. Repeats and uniques are artificial constructs - can be one or the other depending on the viewpoint of random past spins. Therefore, you aren't predicting a unique or repeat, you are hoping to win on a 2/37 chance bet from 2 different numbers that you believe have different properties when this is all simply an illusion: each number is created equally for each independent trial.
Marking relationships between numbers based on uniques and repeats simply indicates how long we are likely to wait for a win if we keep betting in a series of increasing odds with lower payouts. It doesn't help us predict anything on a spin-by-spin or even game-by-game basis, and it doesn't help us escape the house limits, and it doesn't help us profit nor escape break even. So instead of calculating all probabilities (with proportionate payout odds) on paper the uniques/repeats act as rough indicator for your break even game.
What's the probability of 2 dozens in 2 spins? I can either calculate it or run a series of simulations and let the uniques/repeats tell us. That's how we can calculate cycle lengths or cycles defined by orders without using a tree diagram - but no prediction and no profit - just stats about a break even game.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jul 03, 04:12 AM 2018
My guess is that Turbo hasn't done a test like this for his system, and that it's only the progression which is doing the work.
I was testing using some Wiesbaden spins the other day and I came across a group of 45 numbers that had 18 repeats before the first 3peater. The problem I have with Turbo's method is how you would handle that in a live Casino environment and especially using a progression where you may be placing different chips on different numbers. If it's not practical, it's not playable for a lot of different reasons and you at least have to give MrJ credit for pointing this out numerous times over the years. What works on the kitchen table / sims counts for nothing if you can't play it for real.
Quote from: wiggy on Jul 03, 04:46 AM 2018
I was testing using some Wiesbaden spins the other day and I came across a group of 45 numbers that had 18 repeats before the first 3peater. The problem I have with Turbo's method is how you would handle that in a live Casino environment and especially using a progression where you may be placing different chips on different numbers. If it's not practical, it's not playable for a lot of different reasons and you at least have to give MrJ credit for pointing this out numerous times over the years. What works on the kitchen table / sims counts for nothing if you can't play it for real.
Wiggy last week was in Grosvenor Luton, on touchscreen playing the wheel in Blackpool, betting the 4 hottest with different values piece of piss.
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Only short set as had to get to airport to do a pick up
I think there's only one way unique & repeat indicators might possibly help us:
If you play only 4 games in your lifetime and you wanted to win all of them. You could sit around waiting for 20 virtual losses on betting numbers (1s to becomes 2s) and then start betting with a progression. You would then be pretty much guaranteed to get a win within the next 5 spins, but it would involve waiting your whole life for it to happen.
But if you refer to my quadruplets topic you will see that you can arrive at a similar extreme situation by only having to wait for 8 cycles:
1 3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5.... now bet all and guaranteed a win.
You aren't winning through prediction but by waiting for an extreme situation that is a bit more predictable than X amounts of reds in a row to be followed by an (independent) black.
And you don't win on events that are more extreme than other less extreme events - you win (over a series of spins) because you have encountered the most extreme event.
It's still an incredible amount of waiting time - though not as much as 20 numbers bets. The cycles are helping you keep track of all different combined bets - real or virtual - of different ratios/payout odds.
If I get a win on order 1 I can carry over the last 8 uniques to the next game and be in the same situation still:
1 3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5.... 1
3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5 1...
I can't do that after 22 reds in a row followed by a black.
So that helps to maintain an extreme situation and reduce waiting time between games.
And since the pigeons are not equal with quadruplets, if we begin a new cycle defined by options 4-10:
6...
We are then already at another extreme situation where we could bet options 1-5 (covering 6) and guarantee a win on a unique (mostly) instead of a repeat and within the house limits.
So that's the next direction I'll be taking my testing and simulations.
Incidentally, Dyksexlic said we should have less pigeonholes than pigeons, such as SAME or DIFFERENT for a repeat, but I already tested and this doesn't help.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 03, 05:12 AM 2018
Wiggy last week was in Grosvenor Luton, on touchscreen playing the wheel in Blackpool, betting the 4 hottest with different values piece of piss.
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Only short set as had to get to airport to do a pick up
How's it going Notto? Let's hope we win tonight against Columbia. :thumbsup:
Yeah, I would have won with your numbers as well, so it's all good. I guess I am making a point that roulette can be a cruel game and kick you in the nuts when you least expect it! :xd: If you had 18 doubles, then you can't play them all and one day you are going to pick the wrong ones and keep picking the wrong ones and an aggressive progression is going to land someone in a whole heap of trouble. Some old posters like 'Number Six' were wise suggesting using a divisor for hot numbers. Anyway, It's all there in the archives.
Quote from: wiggy on Jul 03, 04:26 AM 2018
@CoderJoe....that's a nice idea, but how long would you need to test to arrive at a conclusion. For example, if you were just testing 1/2/3 numbers, the variance could make both ways seem like winners even though at least one of them obviously isn't.
Good question, but a proper statistical tests are powerful so you don't need many trials. 100 will be plenty. I'm not talking about a 100 spins, but 100 sessions, where the first win ends a session. So suppose you get some spins and start betting at the first repeat :
6
30
23
14
23 first repeat here #23. Place 1 unit on #23 and another unit on a randomly selected number. Say this is #3.
9 loss for both bets
18 loss for both bets
10 loss for both bets
19 loss for both bets
16 loss for both bets
6 Another repeat, so put an additional chip on #6 and select another random number, say this is #14. Continue getting spins with both systems betting 2 numbers each (#23 & #6 for the repeats system, and #3 & #14 for the random system.
31 loss for both
5 loss for both
23 WIN for the repeat system.
So this is one trial. But there are some options here about what data to record. You could choose to count this as +1 for the repeat system because it got a win before the random system. Now reset the spins and start tracking again until either system wins, then mark either a W or L for each system. After the 100 trials you would then calculate the proportion of wins for each system. At this stage you would do a statistical test (I won't go into details here) which tests for statistical significance, which basically tells you whether the result is due to chance or whether there is a real difference.
Alternatively, after the first win you could count the number of spins it took to get that win for the winning system, and then carry on getting spins until the other system won too, then record the number of spins it took for the losing system to also win. e.g. in the example the repeat system won after 9 spins, so record a 9 for it and continue getting spins. Say the random system won 4 spins later, you would then record a 13 for it. At the end of the 100 trials you have a list of pairs of numbers
9, 13
12, 5,
7, 9,
....
....
etc,
These numbers represent the number of spins it took for a win for each of the systems. If the repeat system has any merit then the average waiting time for a win should be smaller than the waiting time for the random system, and again you would use a statistical test which will tell you whether the results you got are likely due to chance, or not.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 03, 04:41 AM 2018You haven't understood, but neither did I till I ran hundreds of tests over the course of 3 years. Repeats and uniques are artificial constructs - can be one or the other depending on the viewpoint of random past spins. Therefore, you aren't predicting a unique or repeat, you are hoping to win on a 2/37 chance bet from 2 different numbers that you believe have different properties when this is all simply an illusion: each number is created equally for each independent trial.
hi falkor, what haven't I understood and what does this have to do with the test I suggested? Your post is confusing.
The point of the test is to find out whether playing repeaters is better than betting randomly. You can just follow the logic of independent trials and say it's a waste of time or you can believe Turbo who also makes apparently persuasive arguments, or you can choose not to believe anyone and test for yourself (preferred). But you have to test properly using the correct methodology otherwise the results can be misleading.
link:s://:.dummies.com/education/science/designing-experiments-using-the-scientific-method/
You say you've done 100's of tests but where are the results and how did you do them?
Thanks very much for the reply and explanation CoderJoe :thumbsup:
I am looking into betting hot numbers again, but I just want to concentrate on a few numbers using the last dozen or so spins. That second repeat seems to come in waves using a 12 spin rolling basis. I will do some tests based on what you have shown. Thanks.
Save you the trouble. It won't work. Everybody knows that.
Just like this test and many many others.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20411.msg204296#msg204296
Coderjoe, thanks for your reply! Comparing repeaters vs random data would be a good way to approach.
I do think it can be compared to other bet selections too, like singles. Although difficult and time consuming. Let's say a single number goes missing for 360 spins in x amount of sessions played...that would be similar to a dozen numbers missing for 30 spins...both are down 360 units. Hard to imagine that playing 2s becoming 3s in repeaters can have that type of negative variance. Maybe it can, but the problem would be it's very time consuming to test 1000 sessions to find out :)
Something I have tested many times on paper. Tracking numbers as they hit. So far, I've always seen the "first place" repeater jump ahead of "2nd place repeaters" by at least 2 everytime. For example, a number may repeat for the 5th time, while the next hottest repeater is on its 3rd repeat.
Falkner, your tests are not applicable to what we are talking about. You seem to be stuck on testing dozens.
Try this. Track all numbers until you get first repeat. Now play that repeat. Add new repeats as they appear. When one of your numbers hit, record the data. Now play the hit number...this number is the first one that repeated a 2nd time. Add any new 2nd time repeaters until you get a hit, then record data.
Basically, you want to treat each one like a new session. 1 repeaters becoming 2 is one session. 2 repeaters becoming 3 is another session. Etc, etc.
From my testing, there is usually 1 number that repeats at least 9 times before all other numbers have hit.
Now, look at the relationships between the 8 sessions. Are there opportunities in there to profit? I would say yes, with right money management. This can win to the unequal distribution of numbers....one will eventually outshine the rest. The only way it could lose is if everything falls equally each and every time (all 2s fall before 3s, then all 3s fall before 4s, etc)...this will not happen
CoderJoe
Mortagon untill he stopped posting
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Basic but it's same on Random. org
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Only 100 games but it'll still be same at 200 games, 15 point something for spins 11-40 and 60 spins 29 to 30 non-hit.
Now if this 30 spins gives 15 non-hit then there's 15 repeats coming, coming when is the ?, but each non-hit has its own average to hit plus a known maximum over time.
Go on then Taotie mock cuming
Quote from: cht on Jul 03, 10:21 AM 2018
Save you the trouble. It won't work. Everybody knows that.
Just like this test and many many others.
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20411.msg204296#msg204296
Just got back, played 3 quick games.
You either get it or you don't.
You play hotties shown by the marque you surely lose.
Some unknown guy played those hotties made money now on the way home.
I know it sounds insane. ;D
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jul 03, 09:49 AM 2018
hi falkor, what haven't I understood and what does this have to do with the test I suggested? Your post is confusing.
The point of the test is to find out whether playing repeaters is better than betting randomly. You can just follow the logic of independent trials and say it's a waste of time or you can believe Turbo who also makes apparently persuasive arguments, or you can choose not to believe anyone and test for yourself (preferred). But you have to test properly using the correct methodology otherwise the results can be misleading.
link:s://:.dummies.com/education/science/designing-experiments-using-the-scientific-method/
You say you've done 100's of tests but where are the results and how did you do them?
If you understand what repeaters are then you know they're random. Of course, like you, I never knew what to believe and followed gurus. Nobody ever explained repeats to me the way I came to understand them and have described to you for your benefit. After hundreds of tests the results were anything but misleading - they were always break even. Each test I run over 1-2 million spins resulting in break even and no edge. And we are talking a whole repertoire of tests carried out almost every day for 3 years. If you can suggest one I can show you the results. The most elaborate test I ever did was suggested by MoneyT based on 4 streams, including positions, bet alternatively and including a hedge bet. Of course it broke even just like the other tests I carried out - 99% of them were based on uniques and repeats and multiple streams. I pushed Notto for instructions on his method, but he will not reveal otherwise I could show that to be break even too. However, nobody wants their false reality to be shattered; they prefer to live in a dreamworld alongside religion and the like.
One thing I found to be worth adding to any system when playing straight-ups ( could apply to any other inside bet perhaps), is to remove the oldest bet on a win.
I think Vaddi also had mentioned something in this sense.
Ex:
Nrs: 15,29,30,1,0,8,18,0 (new nr).
Remove bet on 15.
It will make sure the nrs to play with do not climb as quickly as it would. Advantage when the repeating gap is short: greater profit. If the gap is wide: would have lost anyway, so smaller losses.
Many times the nr that hits was the one that would have been removed next, so you then conclude the betted nrs were just enough.
On a regular trot game, you might end up at spin 37 and still only be at 10-12 nrs alive. On a good game, 8nrs alive and 3 or 4-peaters still hitting.
Not a HG, but effective most of the times, especially to catch hot nrs and to remove dead ones.
I find it is also good to decide when to remove a previously hot nr. If it is the next in line to be removed, then be it.
Take it as an extension to a system.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 03, 10:42 AM 2018
Falkner, your tests are not applicable to what we are talking about. You seem to be stuck on testing dozens.
Try this. Track all numbers until you get first repeat. Now play that repeat. Add new repeats as they appear. When one of your numbers hit, record the data. Now play the hit number...this number is the first one that repeated a 2nd time. Add any new 2nd time repeaters until you get a hit, then record data.
Basically, you want to treat each one like a new session. 1 repeaters becoming 2 is one session. 2 repeaters becoming 3 is another session. Etc, etc.
From my testing, there is usually 1 number that repeats at least 9 times before all other numbers have hit.
Now, look at the relationships between the 8 sessions. Are there opportunities in there to profit? I would say yes, with right money management. This can win to the unequal distribution of numbers....one will eventually outshine the rest. The only way it could lose is if everything falls equally each and every time (all 2s fall before 3s, then all 3s fall before 4s, etc)...this will not happen
You really don't know what you are talking about. You sound like somebody recommending we bet 5 lines instead of 1 because we have 83% chance of winning and outshining the other line. Such naivety just makes me want to puke. There's no profit in hot numbers; it's part of the break even game as we keep telling you. All numbers are independent random bets - hot or cold notwithstanding.
Dozens, lines, streets, numbers.... doesn't matter. They all have proportionate ratios and payout odds and they can all be tracked in terms of uniques and repeats depending on a viewpoint. Playing any hottie will break even regardless of what playing position/group you choose to play. I only demonstrated with dozens so even vulnerable people can come to understand that hot/cold over X repeats is a losing proposition.
Why don't you go jump off a cliff instead of telling other people to? Your suggestions sound completely delusional and have no basis in reality. I don't think you've even tested. You just like to give empty advice, tell people what to do, and hope everyone will go round clutching at straws resulting in a successful manipulation attempt. Words are cheap when not backed up with evidence. Hopefully others are wise enough to see through this nonsense.
I really feel for Steve having to run this forum where people keep chatting random rubbish everyday. It's more like a doll's house than a serious place for discussion.
@Falkor
I've been following your posts and it seems to me that you have made it clear that there is no way to win in the long run betting on hot numbers or non hit numbers.
Your tests have proven what many of us already knew and you spared us a lot of time.
Thanks a lot!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 03, 11:51 AM 2018
@Falkor
I've been following your posts and it seems to me that you have made it clear that there is no way to win in the long run betting on hot numbers or non hit numbers.
Your tests have proven what many of us already knew and you spared us a lot of time.
Thanks a lot!
I can't prove that it's unbeatable - there may still be a way to win - but these fairy tale topics do not help progress any new understandings and serve selfish agendas instead with circular conversations about hot numbers. So the problem is not how to beat Roulette - but how to avoid false prophets/clowns along the way.
This is my final post on this topic.
Thank you TG. I can't thank you enough.
ok, The roulette "experts" can take over this thread. :thumbsup:
Quote from: cht on Jul 03, 12:27 PM 2018
This is my final post on this topic.
Thank you TG. I can't thank you enough.
ok, The roulette "experts" can take over this thread. :thumbsup:
Not experts... just people who have carried out hundreds of man hours of honest testing to find out the truth. Not experts... just people who know when a game is being played.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 03, 11:37 AM 2018
Why don't you go jump off a cliff instead of telling other people to? Your suggestions sound completely delusional and have no basis in reality. I don't think you've even tested. You just like to give empty advice, tell people what to do, and hope everyone will go round clutching at straws resulting in a successful manipulation attempt. Words are cheap when not backed up with evidence. Hopefully others are wise enough to see through this nonsense.
Really? Coming from the flat earth guy? :twisted:
I haven't told anyone how to play. In fact, I change the way I play from time to time constantly trying to perfect my game. If you know how predictable random is, and how probability works, there are many ways to play this!
I know I will not see 36 numbers without a repeat in 36 spins. I know I will not see 36 numbers repeat once before one repeats twice. I can expect that at least 10 or 12 numbers will not show in 36 spins, and most of the time there will be at least one or more number show 3 times. I know that the ratio of hottest number vs coldest number will usually reach at least 9-1. I know that the front runner repeater, will usually outpace the 2nd place repeater at some point in 100 spins.
Falknor, if you want evidence, then test for yourself. Random is predictable. I normally test 108 spins (3 cycles of 36). You can test any number of spins. There will always be an unequal distribution of numbers. There will always be a wide margin between hottest and coldest number. There is a lot of information you can get to make your own game.
Its not as easy as looking at the marquee, and putting your money on the 4 hottest numbers and playing indefinitely. You can do something like that, and run silly 1 million simulations and say "Hey this don't work!". And that's because you don't get it.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 03, 12:38 PM 2018
Really? Coming from the flat earth guy? :twisted:
I haven't told anyone how to play. In fact, I change the way I play from time to time constantly trying to perfect my game. If you know how predictable random is, and how probability works, there are many ways to play this!
I know I will not see 36 numbers without a repeat in 36 spins. I know I will not see 36 numbers repeat once before one repeats twice. I can expect that at least 10 or 12 numbers will not show in 36 spins, and most of the time there will be at least one or more number show 3 times. I know that the ratio of hottest number vs coldest number will usually reach at least 9-1. I know that the front runner repeater, will usually outpace the 2nd place repeater at some point in 100 spins.
Falknor, if you want evidence, then test for yourself. Random is predictable. I normally test 108 spins (3 cycles of 36). You can test any number of spins. There will always be an unequal distribution of numbers. There will always be a wide margin between hottest and coldest number. There is a lot of information you can get to make your own game.
Its not as easy as looking at the marquee, and putting your money on the 4 hottest numbers and playing indefinitely. You can do something like that, and run silly 1 million simulations and say "Hey this don't work!". And that's because you don't get it.
For the past 500 years the globe earth joke has been on people like you, and for the past 2,000 years the Christianity joke has been on people like you and your ancestors. Even though you've already been hit by karma you continue to dish out BS about Roulette.
Random is only predictable in terms of the averages, but the casino doesn't take bets for Law of the Third to happen. The casino doesn't take a bet that a number will repeat before 36 spins. You can only bet on a spin-by-spin basis, hence the game is entirely *unpredictable* from that perspective. If you bothered reading my posts you will see that repeats and unequal distributions happen naturally whilst you are placing static independent bets on equally-likely numbers. The Law of the Third does not imply profit. I even provided test results to prove how betting hot numbers will lose to the house advantage and break the bank in the process, and that there is only a limited way you can play hotties - best understood using dozens. So if you try following LOTT any which way you will break even as simplified below.
Take heed:
1) Repeats could be another man's unique and hide the fact you are playing independent static bets on a spin-by-spin basis.
2) Whether you bet a repeat or unique you are really betting a single spin based on a ratio with a proportionate payout. You are not predicting anything. You are profiting/losing based on proportionate risk/reward per spin.
3) A repeat is more common but will cost more with less payout, resulting in break even.
4) There's only so many ways of playing hotties/front runners - simplified using dozens - all variations resulting in break even because of points 1 and 2.
5) Add zeroes to the mix and you'll definitely lose.
6) Front runners get over-taken and lose as often as they win, hence break even and if using a progression, bank breaking.
So don't patronise people with random being predictable because it doesn't work that way. The averages and LOTT over many spins does not equate to predictable profit on a spin-by-spin basis.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 02, 02:38 AM 2018
This is what happens when you bet hot numbers (front runners) on the premise that only they can reach X repeats because they've repeated already:
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You need a casino with $10K house limits, and it sure doesn't win flat-betting! And this is without any house edge, BV-style...
2nd Dozen repeat below: all overtaken by a sleeper..
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
2 1 1 2 3 3 3
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 2 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 3 2 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 3
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 2 3 3 3
1 1 2 3 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 2 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
3 1 1 2 2 2
1 2 1 3 2 3 3
1 1 2 2 3 2
1 1 2 2 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 2 2 2
1 1 2 2 2
1 1 3 3 3
2 1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 3 3
1 1 3 2 2 3 3
There's only so many ways you can play 2 repeats of a dozen based on the front runners. I can bet the front runner till I get the 2nd repeat:
11 1
11 21
11 231
Or I can stop early if I don't get the 2nd repeat in X spins:
11 23
Or I can wait out certain spins or change to a different front runner, etc.
I have tried every possible way of playing 2 repeats, but the long term result is always the same: break even! It doesn't even tilt one side to wins/losses. It's just plain old break even. I have attached a spreadsheet so people can test for themselves based on 1 million spins:
Download dozens2repeats.xlsx... (link:://:.rarekungfumovies.com/dozens2repeats.xlsx)
If we cannot tilt 1 repeat of a dozen and we cannot tilt 2 repeats of a dozen then it follows that the numbers game is also break even.
You are either randomly guessing or trying to follow a previous set of random past spins, so the result is the same.
12... I guess dozen 1+3 and I have a 66% chance of winning.
12... I guess a 1+2 repeat and I have a 66% chance of winning.
I never won the repeat. I won the 66% chance bet - one or more independent static bets. The repeat formed by itself as a natural pattern based on the "unique" labels I chose for 1 and 2. Another player at the table who played the 2 spins before I arrived could have labelled them as a repeat instead of uniques:
1212
We cannot predict repeats/uniques. The wheel doesn't make any distinctions - it's us that places the labels depending on our viewpoint.
I just spun number 7 - dozen 1 again:
1
Now the properties of that dozen 1 has everything to do with whatever past number sequence I decide to put in front of it:
2 1... here it's a unique
12 1... here our 1 is a 1st repeat
1231 1... here our 1 is a 2nd repeat
So it all depends what random past spins you take in order to determine whether something has repeated or not. One man's repeat is another man's unique. Again, cannot be used for prediction.
I'll prove that you cannot predict a repeat:
Each dozen is equally-likely:
1
2
3
Now I can take any 2 unique dozens and put them in front of the above, and I will end up with more chance of a repeat:
1
122
3
1
312
3
So I didn't predict anything - patterns form independent of my prediction
I blindly look back on the marquee and find a number (9) that is dozen 1:
1...
Now I have 33% chance for dozen 1,2 or 3 some 10 spins later...
11...
or
12...
or
13...
However, since 2/3 outcomes don't match the earlier dozen 1, there is a 66% chance the dozen will be different to any past (random) dozen I decide to put in front of the latest dozen:
12...
or
13...
Again, there's 33% chance we can get dozen 1,2 or 3 next spin, but when I put it after 2 previous unique dozens from the past I get a 66% chance of matching one of them - simply by the laws of number sequences (combinatorics) and natural patterns:
121
122
131
133
So the repeat has nothing to do with prediction - it's an illusion that hides the fact we are playing individual static bets - resulting in break even over the long-term.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 03, 11:09 AM 2018If you understand what repeaters are then you know they're random. Of course, like you, I never knew what to believe and followed gurus. Nobody ever explained repeats to me the way I came to understand them and have described to you for your benefit.
I don't follow gurus, I test for myself. There are lots of ways to bet on repeaters, but since this thread is about Turbo's method, I'm confining my possible strategies to those which incorporate the hints he's given. He's said himself that the bet selection is essentially pretty simple : bet on numbers which are hot or repeating and ignore those which aren't. The missing pieces are the amount of numbers he bets on and the progression he uses. But the key part is to bet on repeaters (single numbers, not outside bets).
QuoteWords are cheap when not backed up with evidence.
I agree.
QuoteI can't prove that it's unbeatable - there may still be a way to win
In that case why are you telling everyone that it's a waste of time because all outcomes are independent? If you really believed that you would believe that no bet selection can do better than random bets, and you wouldn't bother to keep trying.
Of course there's a whole other way of looking at roulette, and that's to ignore bet selection and concentrate on money management. If you believe bet selection is pointless shouldn't that be the thing to focus on?
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jul 03, 01:55 PM 2018
I don't follow gurus, I test for myself. There are lots of ways to bet on repeaters, but since this thread is about Turbo's method, I'm confining my possible strategies to those which incorporate the hints he's given. He's said himself that the bet selection is essentially pretty simple : bet on numbers which are hot or repeating and ignore those which aren't. The missing pieces are the amount of numbers he bets on and the progression he uses. But the key part is to bet on repeaters (single numbers, not outside bets).
I agree.
In that case why are you telling everyone that it's a waste of time because all outcomes are independent? If you really believed that you would believe that no bet selection can do better than random bets, and you wouldn't bother to keep trying.
Of course there's a whole other way of looking at roulette, and that's to ignore bet selection and concentrate on money management. If you believe bet selection is pointless shouldn't that be the thing to focus on?
I already demonstrated using a simplified example of how betting only hotties is limited in variations, and is no different to playing any equally-likely number or group, resulting not in a win or loss - but in break even. The zero disguises the fact that a system can win or lose. It does neither. It BREAKS EVEN! I've provided ample evidence and even a spreadsheet - not to mention test results from betting hotties, reaching the house limit. I've explained why hot numbers - being more expensive with less payout - does not equate to profit. Look at the evidence, logic and detail I've provided and understand human nature/psychologically before you try to understand Roulette. Let me give you a little tip... do not get led astray by people's tips/advice. Look at what is being brought to the table - doesn't include fancy graphs.
I did not say it's a waste of time. I said that circular conversations about betting hot numbers is not helping us progress since it's been sufficiently demonstrated that we are barking up the wrong tree here. So by all means try to beat the game, but don't get too stuck listening to story-tellers who peddle hot numbers. Hotties is not the answer I'm afraid. It's done and dusted. I've already shown you a systematic demolition of hotties. Accept it and move on to another concept. What test data you like me to provide you before you get it?
hi coder joe here is one way to play with repeaters..
Falknor, listen to what coderjoe is saying. He is absolutely correct. It's not just playing hotties. Knowing how repeaters fall in x number of spins is Very Important...but like coderjoe says, you gotta combine that with the "missing pieces" which is money management, numbers played, etc.
Say you start playing as soon as you get your first repeat. This is now your hot number, play it. Continue to play it and any other new repeats that come up until you get a hit. This is session #1.
Now, play the number that you just hit, this is your new hot number (it's the only number that has hit 3 times). Continue to play it and any other number that has hit 3 times since the start of play until you get a hit. This is session #2.
See where I'm going with this? Perhaps you profited in session #1. Then you can start over. Maybe you lost 20 units, in session #1...this where the money management comes in play.
Look at each session as part of a larger game. Numbers will not be distributed evenly. Maybe your 4th repeater hits 3 spins in...maybe the 5th?
You do not have to hit above expectation in every session. But KNOWING you will hit above expectation in x amount of sessions will let you know how to manage your wagers to win.
TEST! I promise you will see a front runner repeater break out in a short amount of spins. You don't have to beat the 1-37 ratio if you're wager is higher when you do hit :)
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 03, 02:43 PM 2018
Falknor, listen to what coderjoe is saying. He is absolutely correct. It's not just playing hotties. Knowing how repeaters fall in x number of spins is Very Important...but like coderjoe says, you gotta combine that with the "missing pieces" which is money management, numbers played, etc.
Say you start playing as soon as you get your first repeat. This is now your hot number, play it. Continue to play it and any other new repeats that come up until you get a hit. This is session #1.
Now, play the number that you just hit, this is your new hot number (it's the only number that has hit 3 times). Continue to play it and any other number that has hit 3 times since the start of play until you get a hit. This is session #2.
See where I'm going with this? Perhaps you profited in session #1. Then you can start over. Maybe you lost 20 units, in session #1...this where the money management comes in play.
Look at each session as part of a larger game. Numbers will not be distributed evenly. Maybe your 4th repeater hits 3 spins in...maybe the 5th?
You do not have to hit above expectation in every session. But KNOWING you will hit above expectation in x amount of sessions will let you know how to manage your wagers to win.
TEST! I promise you will see a front runner repeater break out in a short amount of spins. You don't have to beat the 1-37 ratio if you're wager is higher when you do hit :)
Everything you've suggested has already been tested meticulously and in great detail. Even the dozens example covers everything you mention at a microcosm. Of course you don't understand the basics about how all groups repeat and all groups break even. There's no advantage/disadvantage to playing numbers, streets, lines or dozens in terms of repeats. None are better than the other in terms of trying to escape break even. All concepts that apply in the dozens universe are also true in the numbers universe. And I already showed you how front runners can cost you your life savings. However, since you fail to acknowledge the basics there's no point me going into detail about how your strategy will break even like the rest, and that the significance you see in hotties is not reflected at the individual spin level. The more repeats you play the longer it will take you to get to the next repeat level. It's really old news. And that's why hotties get overtaken as I showed... :yawn: No money management gets around that because you can't win flat-betting and you can't predict, so you are left with independent static bets of differing sizes.
It works for me, so I'm happy with it :) Good luck to you!
falkor's HUGE text font and bright red lettering is annoying lol.
Is that supposed to mean "this is fact" or "pay attention to this part". Yikes.
To those that get it - thanks for the kind words and much continued success.
To those who don't - keep studying what I said.
To those who'll never get it - work on other ways, stick with AP or whatever else you like.... repeaters are not your "thing".
200 pages in this thread and I think a lot was accomplished, despite the constant nonsense from the other side. Trying to convince them is impossible, even if you spell it out step by step with instructions it won't help. And that seems to be what they require in order to change their opinion - when in reality it just makes it easier for them so they don't have to think on their own (like others have done).
Cheers.
The best example of what works what not is from Blackjack. Say are one player, who ideal know how to play, use card counting, shuffle tracking, other have some system how much to bet ... :)
Who will win more, how you think?
The same is with roulette wins that, who predict better...
Stop with it, man... Share the shit or leave the forum.
That's enough! Stop!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 03, 05:21 PM 2018Stop with that man... Share the shit or leave the forum.
That's enough! Stop!
or you could just work it out for your self, like some have
This gimme, gimme, gimme needy shit is sad
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Quote from: Turner on Jul 03, 05:26 PM 2018
or you could just work it out for your self, like some have
This gimme, gimme, gimme needy shit is sad
I don't give a crap about it. I don't care about the TG strategy.
But I think that's enough for this forum.
The people here should work on new approachs.
I'm happy using my strategies...
Hmmm...it would appear that Falkor knows more about the game than Turbo does.
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 05:32 PM 2018It's just a game to see how far he can string people along
LMAO.....says Caleb.
(good job I caught that before you realized how ridiculous it was and changed it)
I can be even referee, - have a good web camera and can translate through skype 60fr/sec, so good, even for VB.
And have a system, how fast calculate players edge.
So all is super simple - I translate, you predict, I calculate your results. Can do Wheel harder, or easier from VB side, or from bias side, who use temporary bias beting.
Who wants to test himself can write in PM and then I can verify, that man really something can.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 03, 05:36 PM 2018
LMAO.....says Caleb.
(good job I caught that before you realized how ridiculous it was and changed it)
Turner,
Whoa...Turner! I didn't know you believed in Turbo's system. :twisted:
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 05:32 PM 2018
Hmmm...it would appear that Falkor knows more about the game than Turbo does.
Falkor is nuts. He thinks the Earth is flat and the Illuminati live in his garden shed
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 05:41 PM 2018Whoa...Turner! I didn't know you believed in Turbo's system.
There you go again...writing your own scripts lol
You need to delete quicker, and get up much earlier to catch me out LMAO
Quote from: Turner on Jul 03, 05:44 PM 2018
Falkor is nuts. He thinks the Earth is flat and the Illuminati live in his garden shed
Whoa! Am I going to have to put you on Moderation? :xd:
Quote from: Turner on Jul 03, 05:44 PM 2018He thinks the Earth is flat and the Illuminati live in his garden shed
Laughing and crying. That's too good !
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 05:32 PM 2018Hmmm...it would appear that Falkor knows more about the game than Turbo does.
I'd say clearly not. But since he seems (at the moment) to be on "your side" of the fence, it's all good.
Andre !!!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 03, 05:21 PM 2018Stop with it, man... Share the shit or leave the forum.
That's enough! Stop!
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 03, 05:30 PM 2018I don't give a crap about it. I don't care about the TG strategy.
But I think that's enough for this forum.
Always funny to watch one person who has no authority suddenly tell people what to do.
That's ENOUGH ! STOP !!! I don't even care !!!!
You sound like a child with a tantrum - seriously, is that your approach to things you don't understand ?
I would suggest instead of following General's or Steve's (or Falkor?'s) posts with your own opinion - do your own work. But you said you're not even interested, so then don't.
If the thread bothers you, don't read it or keep responding to it !! That seems to make the most sense.
If no one replied, the thread would vanish into the depths of the forum never to return - but you are clearly missing that this thread is 200 pages and 9th popular of all threads.
But you're telling people to STOP IT NOW ! It will stop when it stops I think, it's out of your control.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 03, 05:44 PM 2018Falkor is nuts. He thinks the Earth is flat and the Illuminati live in his garden shed
It's actually more plausible than saying "on random spins, betting repeaters helps you win". It is a mathematical impossibility, which doesn't get more impossible.
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 05:32 PM 2018Hmmm...it would appear that Falkor knows more about the game than Turbo does.
Correct.
Are you two a double act? Which one?
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Quote from: Steve on Jul 03, 06:31 PM 2018Correct.
It is correct only to people on the other team - and that's fine I guess.
It's not for everyone. It's easier to post that experts say it can't be done therefore it can't be done. I used no brainpower whatsoever to do that. I just relied on what others have said to make my own opinion - easy right ?
But you've said that you've tested everything ! Which means you haven't - or else you would be the one posting about how you win every time instead of me and I'd be defending you. Strange how that works.
And there you go again... Lol
Quote from: Turner on Jul 03, 06:48 PM 2018Are you two a double act? Which one?
I was picturing :
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lol
Falkor reminds me of Bayes, but intentionally trying to be funny and obtuse about the flat earth. He's actually very articulate. Secretly probably one of the more intelligent members on this forum.
Ghost, Notto, and Turbo could all learn from him.
This "we will never have all 37 numbers in 37 spins" debate is simple-
As Turbo says, the likelihood is infinitesimal.
We can all agree on that, and be on the same page, so, how does this help?
I don't believe it can. All we are assuming is that we will have 1 repeat somewhere.
We bet numbers as they appear. So 1 unit, then 2, 3, 4 ,5 ,6 7, 8, wait a minute, that's 36 units! we need a progression.
Well we can easily see 20 or more uniques before a repeat. 18 is quite common. I won't do the maths here, but the dent in the bankroll would be huge. Its a bit like saying, "bet against 20 reds with a martingale", yes you will probably win if you are prepared for the huge risk.
Can I refer anyone interested to my thread "TURBO'S REPEATERS SIMULATION."
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20147.0
As you can see I have done some testing, I'm sure others have done much more extensive testing.
But the insinuation with all the "no 37 uniques in 37 spins" talk is that you can win with repeaters within 37 spins!
My programs show that you can flat-bet, you can bet 1 unit on 1-shows, 2-units on 2-shows etc, or you can wait for 3-shows until betting, whatever, you won't win in 37 spins! Or 100 spins.
Actually I think Steve is doing Turbo a favour by pointing out the fallacy. Anyone who believes he has a hg could win for a while, but then end up losing a whole lot more. And as Turbo didn't choose to reply to my question about is it possible to actually write mathematical proof, then I assume there is no mathematical proof.
So..... although you may laugh, Turbo, beware of your own hg. (you read it here 1st.)
Look, the 37 numbers in 37 spins is just silly. It's like saying 18 reds in 37 spins.
Knowing the probability doesn't enable you to side step it and win. ::)
QuoteFalkor reminds me of Bayes,
never
QuoteSecretly probably one of the more intelligent members on this forum.
lol
QuoteEverything you've suggested has already been tested meticulously and in great detail. Even the dozens example covers everything you mention at a microcosm. Of course you don't understand the basics about how all groups repeat and all groups break even. There's no advantage/disadvantage to playing numbers, streets, lines or dozens in terms of repeats. None are better than the other in terms of trying to escape break even. All concepts that apply in the dozens universe are also true in the numbers universe. And I already showed you how front runners can cost you your life savings. However, since you fail to acknowledge the basics there's no point me going into detail about how your strategy will break even like the rest, and that the significance you see in hotties is not reflected at the individual spin level. The more repeats you play the longer it will take you to get to the next repeat level. It's really old news. And that's why hotties get overtaken as I showed... :yawn: No money management gets around that because you can't win flat-betting and you can't predict, so you are left with independent static bets of differing sizes.
Maestro,
Like it or not, he's correct. He's one of the smartest people in the room...toying with the simple minded. That much is obvious after having read some of his posts.
QuoteOf course you don't understand the basics about how all groups repeat and all groups break even.
true but yes but they do not break at the same time..is another question if you can find way to be on it when hits...but my guess is one has to be very smart just like the above named< falkor> :lol:
Maestro,
Read his posts. REally read what and how he writes. The guy is articulate. His vocabulary indicates that he's smarter than most people. Compare what he's written to what you have posted.
asumptions are bad you should know that...but thanks for the advice i will read his writings
These fairy tale topics do not help progress any new understandings and serve selfish agendas instead with circular conversations about hot numbers. So the problem is not how to beat Roulette - but how to avoid false prophets/clowns along the way.-Falkor
Everything you've suggested has already been tested meticulously and in great detail. Even the dozens example covers everything you mention at a microcosm. -Falkor.
Falkor ain't dumB!
for sure you read it before
Driven by hunger, a fox tried to reach some grapes hanging high on the vine but was unable to, although he leaped with all his strength. As he went away, the fox remarked 'Oh, you aren't even ripe yet! I don't need any sour grapes.
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 07:07 PM 2018Falkor reminds me of Bayes, but intentionally trying to be funny and obtuse about the flat earth. He's actually very articulate. Secretly probably one of the more intelligent members on this forum.
LOL....this will come back to haunt you. I wont forget it.
Not speaking for Turbo, because I dont know his play style. But I do not use an aggressive progression. I look at it like playing in sessions. Start out flat betting single repeaters....once I get a hit, that session ends...I only raise bet after a hit....play 2s to become 3s, then a 3s to become 4s, 4s to become 5s, etc
I only need one session to be positive expectation to end game. I have yet to see that not happen in a short period of time. Basically, if there were always an equal distribution of numbers I would lose. But there is always a leader that passes by 2 or more repeats...this is what I count on happening
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 07:07 PM 2018
Falkor reminds me of Bayes, but intentionally trying to be funny and obtuse about the flat earth. He's actually very articulate. Secretly probably one of the more intelligent members on this forum.
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Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 07:07 PM 2018Secretly probably one of the more intelligent members on this forum.
I keep reading that and laughing.
Who would "secretly" be intelligent ?
Could a stupid person pull off pretending to be intelligent ? yes.
Could an intelligent person pull off pretending to be stupid ? yes.
I get it though.
If he were posting and backing up what I say - you would be all over him
like flies on (?), calling him uneducated and that he just used fancy words to appear to be smart.
You'll flip any way the wind blows. How strange is that.
People who support what I've said have made some very intelligent posts in
this thread, but since it doesn't support your opinion - you never made a comment
like that about them.
Just wow.
Steve
Do u still think mpr is up to the standard ? Spin file is ok m not talking about that.
Story of last one hour.
Still spin come one after another without pressing ready. I mean two at a time.
Still its running when others placing bet and time not up.
Stuck in 1s several times . Have to refresh to get it working from 1st spin. All previous things gone.
U win some u lose some doesnt work. When u lose its 1 unit. And when win is missing it 35 unit. Not same
Most of the player just log out in the middle of the game bcz of disturbance
There are still bugs but none that would cause anyone to lose or win. The new programmer is still investigating.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 03, 09:30 PM 2018
I keep reading that and laughing.
Who would "secretly" be intelligent ?
Could a stupid person pull off pretending to be intelligent ? yes.
Could an intelligent person pull off pretending to be stupid ? yes.
I get it though.
If he were posting and backing up what I say - you would be all over him
like flies on (?), calling him uneducated and that he just used fancy words to appear to be smart.
You'll flip any way the wind blows. How strange is that.
People who support what I've said have made some very intelligent posts in
this thread, but since it doesn't support your opinion - you never made a comment
like that about them.
Just wow.
He's clearly not who he's pretending to be, which is a flat earth follower.
By the way, he's tested your system and has found that it failed.
He could though probably offer you some advice on how to make it work better.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 12:43 AM 2018
There are still bugs but none that would cause anyone to lose or win. The new programmer is still investigating.
I just lose 30 unit on #29 bcz two spin comes back to back before i press rebet. 2 and 29 appear at a time. Anyway will wait till it get fixed
It could just as easily have saved you money, but yes it's being fixed.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 03, 08:23 PM 2018
Not speaking for Turbo, because I dont know his play style. But I do not use an aggressive progression. I look at it like playing in sessions. Start out flat betting single repeaters....once I get a hit, that session ends...I only raise bet after a hit....play 2s to become 3s, then a 3s to become 4s, 4s to become 5s, etc
I only need one session to be positive expectation to end game. I have yet to see that not happen in a short period of time. Basically, if there were always an equal distribution of numbers I would lose. But there is always a leader that passes by 2 or more repeats...this is what I count on happening
The only thing i can say, is that you are playing very Smart :thumbsup:
Quote from: daveylibra on Jul 03, 07:13 PM 2018
This "we will never have all 37 numbers in 37 spins" debate is simple-
As Turbo says, the likelihood is infinitesimal.
We can all agree on that, and be on the same page, so, how does this help?
I don't believe it can. All we are assuming is that we will have 1 repeat somewhere.
We bet numbers as they appear. So 1 unit, then 2, 3, 4 ,5 ,6 7, 8, wait a minute, that's 36 units! we need a progression.
Well we can easily see 20 or more uniques before a repeat. 18 is quite common. I won't do the maths here, but the dent in the bankroll would be huge. Its a bit like saying, "bet against 20 reds with a martingale", yes you will probably win if you are prepared for the huge risk.
Can I refer anyone interested to my thread "TURBO'S REPEATERS SIMULATION."
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20147.0
As you can see I have done some testing, I'm sure others have done much more extensive testing.
But the insinuation with all the "no 37 uniques in 37 spins" talk is that you can win with repeaters within 37 spins!
My programs show that you can flat-bet, you can bet 1 unit on 1-shows, 2-units on 2-shows etc, or you can wait for 3-shows until betting, whatever, you won't win in 37 spins! Or 100 spins.
Actually I think Steve is doing Turbo a favour by pointing out the fallacy. Anyone who believes he has a hg could win for a while, but then end up losing a whole lot more. And as Turbo didn't choose to reply to my question about is it possible to actually write mathematical proof, then I assume there is no mathematical proof.
So..... although you may laugh, Turbo, beware of your own hg. (you read it here 1st.)
Well as long people stick to bet in 37 spin cycles then they won't come very far.
You gotta look at the whole thing from a different angle. But for some it will be very hard to come out of their comfort zone. The ones that can, will make a step forward. Just my oppinion, nothing more.
See , no capitals :D
Nothing special about me... I'm just trying to escape this slave system like everyone else. 3-4 years ago when I began testing the Star System I was dumber than dumber when it came to Roulette. The only difference now is that since then I have carried out more than 1,000 tests on an almost daily basis and this has helped me mature. Out of the 1,000 tests I retain about 700-800 of the original scripts/templates used for them to be run over a choice of 1,000, 10K, 100K or 1 mill spins (3 different datasets = 3 million real casino spins). That's the only reason I now have a decent understanding of Roulette - through honest testing and experimentation - since you cannot trust charlatans to inform you of the truth. So don't be a gullible fool like I once was! Hotties is not the answer...
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Quote from: daveylibra on Jul 03, 07:13 PM 2018This "we will never have all 37 numbers in 37 spins" debate is simple-
As Turbo says, the likelihood is infinitesimal.
We can all agree on that, and be on the same page, so, how does this help?
I don't believe it can. All we are assuming is that we will have 1 repeat somewhere.
I agree. It's a red herring. You might as well say "you never see 50 reds or blacks in a row". Does this mean that betting on one side continuously is superior to some other bet selection like "follow the last"?
I don't find the arguments for picking hot numbers or repeaters any more convincing than those for betting on cold numbers. If the number of trials is large enough of course you're going to get repeaters. For single numbers you must get at least one repeat in 38 spins on a single zero wheel (that's a certainty, not a probability) but considering just one cycle of 37 spins there are actually more numbers that haven't showed at all, or have only hit once, than numbers which have shown more than once (repeaters). So why not bet on the non-repeaters? The problem of course is that you have no idea which non-repeat is going to show next, and this is exactly the same problem you have if you've chosen to bet on the repeats. So on balance, isn't it better to pick the non-repeats since they are more numerous? If you're not convinced by this argument, you would be right. ;D
There are two schools of thought in roulette : hot numbers or "maturity of chances" (cold numbers). Actually, I don't know why betting on the numbers which have appeared right on expectation or thereabouts are ignored, because this is the "norm", but I digress. Critics always point out that picking cold #s is gambler's fallacy, but assuming random outcomes, picking hot numbers is just as much of a fallacy. Both assume that outcomes are not independent, but if you forget this or don't understand it then both schools of thought offer apparently plausible arguments. However, they can't both be right! (but they can both be wrong).
Coderjoe, you haven't understood hot/cold and what is happening beneath the surface. Let me try to explain again...
Excluding zero (just for these examples) we can accurately measure stats for individual bets over 1 spin:
2 dozen bet = 66% chance
1 dozen bet = 33% chance
2 dozens has a higher chance of hitting than a single dozen, but either option leads to break even due to the proportionate probabilities vs. payout odds. 33% for 2 units profit costs 1 unit; 66% for 1 unit profit costs 2 units. In the end both lead to break even.
Now let's say we want to measure stats over X spins:
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRB
How many reds before a black will hit? Answer: different stats for different datasets. Take 1 million spins and it will you to wait for 3-4 reds before betting black; another 1 million spins will tell you to wait for 1-2 before betting black. It's unstable and unreliable.
Over x spins we can more accurately predict, say, what is the probability for X lines in X spins?
As per individual spins we will get accurate probabilities about our break even game.
Repeats act simply as a framework for easy tracking of multiple spins - aiding us with what we can expect to happen in break even game comprising uniques and repeats of varying combined probabilities and payout odds.
Without repeats
Bet 1+3, bet 1+3.... win!
Bet 1, bet 1, bet 1... lose
With repeats framework:
Bet 1, bet 1+2... win!
Bet 1+2, bet 1... lose
Both types of break even games are a collection of independent static bets, but the 2nd one tries to follow a consistent pattern of betting a changing set of numbers instead of repeating the same bet over and over.
So instead of blindly betting the same thing without knowing our risk/reward over X spins - and instead of calculating a betting plan of 10 bets beforehand - we are reacting to hot/cold on-the-fly and keeping better track of what we are doing with accurate stats all the while remaining inside a black hole of breaking even.
Playing inside a repeats framework hot and cold acts only as keyframes/markers for maintaining stable stats. Hot/cold - with it's unequal distributions - does not allow you to escape break even.
VdW also provides another framework with different keyframes/markers about our break even game of roulette where we can keep track of stats - but higher probabilities does not make a bet any better than lower probability because of the proportionate payout odds.
So how might having a repeats or VdW framework - hot/cold notwithstanding - possibly help us? I don't know for sure yet - but see my previous post:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 03, 05:29 AM 2018
I think there's only one way unique & repeat indicators might possibly help us:
If you play only 4 games in your lifetime and you wanted to win all of them. You could sit around waiting for 20 virtual losses on betting numbers (1s to becomes 2s) and then start betting with a progression. You would then be pretty much guaranteed to get a win within the next 5 spins, but it would involve waiting your whole life for it to happen.
But if you refer to my quadruplets topic you will see that you can arrive at a similar extreme situation by only having to wait for 8 cycles:
1 3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5.... now bet all and guaranteed a win.
You aren't winning through prediction but by waiting for an extreme situation that is a bit more predictable than X amounts of reds in a row to be followed by an (independent) black.
And you don't win on events that are more extreme than other less extreme events - you win (over a series of spins) because you have encountered the most extreme event.
It's still an incredible amount of waiting time - though not as much as 20 numbers bets. The cycles are helping you keep track of all different combined bets - real or virtual - of different ratios/payout odds.
If I get a win on order 1 I can carry over the last 8 uniques to the next game and be in the same situation still:
1 3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5.... 1
3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5 1...
I can't do that after 22 reds in a row followed by a black.
So that helps to maintain an extreme situation and reduce waiting time between games.
And since the pigeons are not equal with quadruplets, if we begin a new cycle defined by options 4-10:
6...
We are then already at another extreme situation where we could bet options 1-5 (covering 6) and guarantee a win on a unique (mostly) instead of a repeat and within the house limits.
So that's the next direction I'll be taking my testing and simulations.
Incidentally, Dyksexlic said we should have less pigeonholes than pigeons, such as SAME or DIFFERENT for a repeat, but I already tested and this doesn't help.
It's good to see the majority of people are reasonable, and not so gullible.
falkor, I don't see what your last post has to do with my post. Furthermore, some things in your post lead me to believe that you're the one who hasn't understood.
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I think there's only one way unique & repeat indicators might possibly help us:
If you play only 4 games in your lifetime and you wanted to win all of them. You could sit around waiting for 20 virtual losses on betting numbers (1s to becomes 2s) and then start betting with a progression. You would then be pretty much guaranteed to get a win within the next 5 spins, but it would involve waiting your whole life for it to happen.
But if you refer to my quadruplets topic you will see that you can arrive at a similar extreme situation by only having to wait for 8 cycles:
1 3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5.... now bet all and guaranteed a win.
You aren't winning through prediction but by waiting for an extreme situation that is a bit more predictable than X amounts of reds in a row to be followed by an (independent) black.
I'm afraid this is wrong. Assuming you have random independent outcomes there are
no bets which will make future outcomes even "a bit more" predictable than any other bets. Waiting for extreme events and using triggers like this doesn't have any effect at all on what comes out next.
It just goes to show that no amount of testing can help you to interpret correctly what the tests are showing you in the first place if you don't have the right understanding.
General, do you want to retract your previous comments about falkor? ;)
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jul 04, 05:28 AM 2018Waiting for extreme events and using triggers like this doesn't have any effect at all on what comes out next.
This is correct.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jul 04, 05:28 AM 2018General, do you want to retract your previous comments about falkor? ;)
Well he isn't right about everything. Still he has had better reason than turbo.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 03, 08:23 PM 2018
once I get a hit, that session ends...I only raise bet after a hit.
sorry I don't get that. Your session has ended, how do you raise the bet?
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 03, 08:23 PM 2018
Start out flat betting single repeaters
...and when would you stop? After 8 spins you are 36 units down.
Coderjoe, what languages do u code?
Hi Steve, I use Lazarus/Free Pascal (link:s://:.lazarus-ide.org/) mainly for GUI projects and a scripting language called Hansl for data analysis. It's part of a statistics package called Gretl (link:://gretl.sourceforge.net/). I also use R (link:s://:.r-project.org/) occasionally. They are all free and open source. Most of the data crunching I do is for sports betting, roulette is just a hobby really.
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Don’t you just love old posts; this is from KTF page 93. So as you can see it’s on MPR.
Now if you bet the numbers hitting above average; the R1’s, you’d make a nice profit at spin 30.
I have said better too wait till spin 20, then bet and here would be +72 units at spin 30.
Now just looking at this sheet for the averages
We see the usual 9/10; countback is marked showing the expected 15 non-hit in spins 11-40; you see 16 came +1 and at spin 60; 31 non-hits have hit, average shows 29 or 30
It was happening back in 2016 and it will still happen today and tomorrow and the day after and the day after
You need to see the trot, good luck some of you will need it
Geez i was hoping youd say "im full stack with focus on c, c#. c++ and .NET. and can easily port to iOS.". I have a lot of programmers and good ones who think creatively are rare. Im not very familiar with languages you mentioned. Do you code rx?
Notto it is really old news: you are talking about hot numbers. They hit with the same frequency as cold numbers. Really old news.
All youre looking at is a sequence of spins that matches what you think should happen.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 04, 06:50 AM 2018It was happening back in 2016 and it will still happen today and tomorrow and the day after and the day after
You only do things on paper or you play in real as well? With all your record keeping skills, may be you can tell us how many games, how many spins you have played in real so far and the exact dollars and cents you have won. That will be a better marketing platform for your system as opposed to recycling old posts and graphs.
45 guests reading this thread. Why don't you pussies sign in? Bok bok
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 06:50 AM 2018Geez i was hoping youd say "im full stack with focus on c, c#. c++ and .NET. and can easily port to iOS.". I have a lot of programmers and good ones who think creatively are rare. Im not very familiar with languages you mentioned. Do you code rx?
Ah, sorry about that. If I was a freelancer or looking for a permanent coding job I would definitely invest the time and effort to learn those languages, but I'm not a very good employee, lol. I know about RX and had a look at it once - yuk! It's very limited although I suppose if you just want to code roulette systems and have all the data generated it's ok, but you can do all that and a lot more with any conventional language although it might require a bit more effort. So no I can't say I know it.
So I guess I'm pretty useless to you Steve, but thanks for the complement.
I did some coding of systems recently for a guy who reckoned he had the holy grail. They were all really complex systems and he wanted to be able to import files and run simulations as well as having an interactive "tracker" kind of thing for playing online. Frankly it was a pain in the arse and I don't really want to do that kind of thing any more. He was convinced he was doing me a big favour and that I should be grateful. I did charge for the work but not much, and I even agreed to refund him the payments if one of the systems worked (none did).
I recently started a little website with the intention of making some roulette software (trackers and the like) for online players, not sure how much of a market there would be though, it's very niche. Maybe I'll post something in the software section.
By the way, is it possible to change my username from "coderjoe" to just plain "joe"? I don't really want to do any more custom coding for members and the name seems like I'm advertising. I could just re-register but it seems a bit dishonest, and maybe not allowed under the rules of the forum? I know some forums ban multiple accounts.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jul 04, 05:28 AM 2018
falkor, I don't see what your last post has to do with my post. Furthermore, some things in your post lead me to believe that you're the one who hasn't understood.
I'm afraid this is wrong. Assuming you have random independent outcomes there are no bets which will make future outcomes even "a bit more" predictable than any other bets. Waiting for extreme events and using triggers like this doesn't have any effect at all on what comes out next.
It just goes to show that no amount of testing can help you to interpret correctly what the tests are showing you in the first place if you don't have the right understanding.
General, do you want to retract your previous comments about falkor? ;)
You were naively talking about whether to bet hot/cold - indicating that you hadn't really understood repeats hence the reason I tried to explain it to you.
You misunderstand again and are making assumptions over somebody with 3 years more experience than you at testing Roulette. Generally speaking, what you are saying is correct: we cannot use triggers, and every spin is independent. But there comes a time where independence becomes exhausted and outcomes start to drop off the chart as part of the most extreme events (not events that are more extreme than less extreme events - but the
MOST EXTREME). And this can be proven through testing.
Let's say 1 million spins represents your lifetime playing Roulette. We can look back in hindsight and see that everything was a break even game. However, no matter which set of 1 million spins you take the maximum cycle length for the first repeat on numbers is always around the CL25 spin mark, and it never fluctuates as extreme as 20 - 30. Now, possibly over trillions of spins you may get closer to 30 - but never in your lifetime.
Therefore if you play those CL20+ games - the repeats framework can track and indicate when you should start betting. And this trigger happens only a few times within your life. All other kinds of triggers - rightly so - have no effect and do not guarantee a win in 5 spins, but the most extreme triggers I refer to are of a more special kind and come with a lifetime guarantee.
Now, the repeats framework that can accurately help us track extreme events can be made more sophisticated and highlight additional extreme events with the possibility of reducing waiting times using special "tricks" akin to winkel's "jump" back in GUT.
In the Quadruplets universe the "numbers CL25" counterpart is CL9, which is 23/157730 = 0.02% (with an empty CL10 pigeonhole!)
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Therefore, you can play from about CL5 (maybe CL4) and guarantee profit:
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That's 11.6%!! A massive increase over what is achievable using a basic repeats framework. Now, if we use the "tricks" that I mentioned then we can increase beyond that 11.6% to improve our life.
By using a more sophisticated framework such as Quadruplets we introduce additional extreme events that are not apparent in a basic framework:
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Above when a cycle begins with a group 4 pigeon (Options 7-10) we are guaranteed either a repeat on the same pigeon or one of the group 1-3 uniques (within the house limits). Now, the stats of a cycle being defined by group 4 is hardly worth waiting for even during a typical lifetime. However, we can no doubt employ more tricks to increase it. By rights we should just be able to start a new cycle whenever we encounter a single appearance of group 4 and start to bring in the profit. That would easily take us up to 10%. Cycles beginning with group 3 may be exploitable too - I haven't checked yet. But you can start to see the possibilities here and begin to understand a different perspective/direction we may take to go beyond a fool's game of hot/cold. Here we are not betting just hot, just cold or even both together; we are making use of the framework to guide us towards the most extreme events based on a lifetime personal permanence.
Joe, i can easily change your display name but you login username doesnt change. But i need my admin password for that, which i dont have with me. So will do tomorrow.
As my message was deleted in the voting, am posting it here. You were prompt to delete it Steve as you rightly said in teh post and lets get this answered here.
We should ideally have a button "Cant say. No substantial information". Without this the voting is not fair. It is very similar to get the opinions consolidated towards "No". It is like asking someone "Do you still beat your wife" and giving voting options "Yes" or "No". There should have been an option which says "I never did".
Also, am not sure of the intention of the voting. What happens if the majority votes no. Will you stop responding to turbo's claims assuming everyone knows it is wrong. Similary if majority votes yes, will you try to explain fruther to prove him wrong? What is the outcome and intention for this voting. Perfectly meaningless to me. The loop continues in the loop.
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 07:07 PM 2018Falkor reminds me of Bayes, but intentionally trying to be funny and obtuse about the flat earth. He's actually very articulate. Secretly probably one of the more intelligent members on this forum.
Quote from: CoderJoe on Jul 04, 05:28 AM 2018General, do you want to retract your previous comments about falkor?
Quote from: Turner on Jul 03, 08:00 PM 2018LOL....this will come back to haunt you. I wont forget it.
I have the quote in notepad lol
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 04, 07:33 AM 2018You were naively talking about whether to bet hot/cold - indicating that you hadn't really understood repeats hence the reason I tried to explain it to you.
You misunderstand again and are making assumptions over somebody with 3 years more experience than you at testing Roulette.
falkor if you actually read my post you would see that I was making the point that no arguments for betting either hot or cold stand up if you concede that outcomes are random and independent. And you're assuming that I'm a newbie as regards roulette; I'm not. I've been playing recreationally for about 15 years and am way up in terms of winning. I don't claim any superior system though and acknowledge that it's probably down to luck. When I first started playing I didn't have much knowledge of statistics and rather naively thought I could find a winning system. Nowadays I'm more realistic but I still enjoy playing and tinkering with systems, and it's not as though I have to make a living at it.
I can see you've put a lot of work into testing systems, maybe more than I have.
Quote
Generally speaking, what you are saying is correct: we cannot use triggers, and every spin is independent. But there comes a time where independence becomes exhausted and outcomes start to drop off the chart as part of the most extreme events (not events that are more extreme than less extreme events - but the MOST EXTREME). And this can be proven thr Generally speaking, what you are saying is correct: we cannot use triggers, and every spin is independent. But there comes a time where independence becomes exhausted and outcomes start to drop off the chart as part of the most extreme events (not events that are more extreme than less extreme events - but the MOST EXTREME). And this can be proven through testing.ough testing.
I'm willing to look at data which supports such a view, and I like to think I have an open mind, but I don't see anything in what you've posted which confirms such a "loophole". The problem with looking for extreme events is that if you look hard enough then you'll find them. No matter how rare it is there is always another even rarer event just over the horizon. The bell curve is asymptotic which means that there really are no limits. This doesn't mean that you'll routinely see 37 uniques in 37 spins, it just means that there is no point at which the probability changes given what's already happened. From that perspective random doesn't have limits.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 07:47 AM 2018Joe, i can easily change your display name but you login username doesnt change. But i need my admin password for that, which i dont have with me. So will do tomorrow.
Thanks a lot Steve.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:49 AM 2018We should ideally have a button "Cant say. No substantial information". Without this the voting is not fair.
There's enough information in the summary for anyone to make a reasonable yes or no vote. Those are the points that keep going in circles, so that's what a vote should be based on.
If someone is unsure about yes or no, then they can just not vote.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:49 AM 2018It is like asking someone "Do you still beat your wife"
Only when she shits me. Like cooks dinner late. Unacceptable.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:49 AM 2018There should have been an option which says "I never did".
I think people would be smart enough to not vote if their answer wasn't as option.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:49 AM 2018Also, am not sure of the intention of the voting
I wanted to get an idea of how many people actually think turbo never loses, but dedicates so much time to convincing people he has the hg, by winning play money on clearly unrealistic games, and that he prefers rs where his sessions are video recorded, which is more private than mpr which has minimal logs, and mpr is less realistic than parx which gives massive free bonuses for showing up, just like every casino :thumbsup:
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:49 AM 2018What happens if the majority votes no.
Nothing except my faith in mankind will be reduced.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:49 AM 2018Similary if majority votes yes, will you try to explain fruther to prove him wrong?
Not anymore than currently. Its not my problem if some people like losing money.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 07:49 AM 2018What is the outcome and intention for this voting. Perfectly meaningless to me.
Think broader.
Joe, you certainly started out that way about arguments for hold/cold not standing up, but the way you ended your post gave me the impression (right or wrong) that you hadn't quite grasped it. I knew a long time ago that hot and cold doesn't work, but I couldn't go as far as to say I truly understood it then.
QuoteI'm willing to look at data which supports such a view, and I like to think I have an open mind, but I don't see anything in what you've posted which confirms such a "loophole". The problem with looking for extreme events is that if you look hard enough then you'll find them. No matter how rare it is there is always another even rarer event just over the horizon. The bell curve is asymptotic which means that there really are no limits. This doesn't mean that you'll routinely see 37 uniques in 37 spins, it just means that there is no point at which the probability changes given what's already happened. From that perspective random doesn't have limits.
There's nothing theoretical or speculative here. You take any 1 million spins and look back at them - always a win in, say, 5 spins. There's your empirical evidence and starting point for the journey I am taking that I hope will lead to a new understanding of Roulette. Maybe have a read back about what I said: the rare events are limited by the non-random framework you choose. You cannot go looking for events if you don't have the appropriate framework for tracking them etc. So this is a whole new way of playing - like tapping into free energy:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20490.0
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 08:05 AM 2018There's enough information in the summary for anyone to make a reasonable yes or no vote.
It is your post and your voting. But the above statement is your assumption. Assumptions can be dangerous.
I quite like the wording of "No" which said "for whatever reason" rather than "No, based on the summary information in the post below" and the wording of "YES" with an emphasis on "NEVER LOSES" despite Turbo telling he does have losing attacks. All this voting sounds quite one sided to me, but you can never please everyone can you? I did vote "No" though as I have a problem in believing things that i cant "touch and feel"
Thinking broadly can also be dangerous. Even flat earthers are asking us to think broader.
If Turbo came out and said this whole thing has been a hoax and then all his followers came out and said they were in on it too.... would you then consider the flat earth might be true?
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 04, 08:25 AM 2018If Turbo came out and said this whole thing has been a hoax and then all his followers came out and said they were in on it too.... would you then consider the flat earth might be true?
Nice try. NO. It is like you I show you that i can screw a woman and you believing that i can screw a tiger too.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:19 AM 2018It is your post and your voting. But the above statement is your assumption
Summarizing turbos claims is not an assumption.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:19 AM 2018with an emphasis on "NEVER LOSES"
He said himself multiple times, he never loses. I didn't make it up. Its what HE said.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:19 AM 2018Thinking broadly can also be dangerous
Having an open mind and more information is a bad thing? Since when?
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 08:36 AM 2018It is like you I show you that i can screw a woman and you believing that i can screw a tiger too.
You actually could, but it probably wouldn't like it. And it could be dangerous.
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for creating the most absurd post/thread in roulette forum history with your poll.
My reply post to your insane thread is upcoming lol.
I'll try to keep it short.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 08:54 AM 2018
Summarizing turbos claims is not an assumption.
Summarising claims is not the assumption I was talking. Believing that the summary is sufficient to disprove something is wrong assumption. All the summary proves is there are contradicting information read out of context. It is like saying someone is a liar and hence he is the murderer. No one has seen step by step instruction of what turbo does and unless that is available all claims either for or against what he says his system does is complete non sense.
It might be hard to relate to, but both of you keeps pointing back to answers you have given multiple times and no one seems to know,both of you keep responding to questions with completely unrelated answers and both of you claim to be open minded. All is not what it looks like.
Tinsoldiers
I believe you know the owner person of this forum by now.
I have my reasons to call him "whatever" in my earlier post.
I got moderated as a result.
Keep going with this person.
As an older person, I gave up long ago.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 04, 09:36 AM 2018
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for creating the most absurd post/thread in roulette forum history with your poll.
My reply post to your insane thread is upcoming lol.
I'll try to keep it short.
No point, it will be deleted.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 09:36 AM 2018Believing that the summary is sufficient to disprove something is wrong assumption.
No you are missing it. The poll is asking people to give their opinion based on turbos claims. Its simple.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 09:36 AM 2018All the summary proves is there are contradicting information read out of context.
Really? Which part? Was it the claim "I never lose", or "I quit playing MPR after losing because I wanted to keep my system private, so instead I'll play somewhere that records videos of my sessions"?
You are arguing without considering facts, probably for the sake of trying to win an argument.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Jul 04, 09:36 AM 2018No one has seen step by step instruction of what turbo does and unless that is available all claims either for or against what he says his system does is complete non sense.
Are you sure about that? And besides, he has given ample information publicly, for anyone to test the working principles he has described. It's not my problem if you dont understand it.
Quote from: cht on Jul 04, 09:42 AM 2018As an older person, I gave up long ago.
It could be the information didnt suit you.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 09:52 AM 2018
It could be the information didnt suit you.
It does not matter.
I am not referring to roulette.
If the reader reads your writings and still don't get it, they deserve whatever for themselves
Pls do not reply.
Quote from: cht on Jul 04, 09:56 AM 2018If the reader reads your writings and still don't get it, they deserve whatever for themselves
If you mean they fail to research and test basic statistics, and at least try to understand what I, and every educated statistician, mathematician and professional in the entire world is saying..... then absolutely. I agree. :thumbsup:
Have not been here for a while 205 pages of absolute nothing congrats Steve great forum.
Quote from: Winner on Jul 04, 10:28 AM 2018
Have not been here for a while 205 pages of absolute nothing congrats Steve great forum.
The members ARE the forum. Yes, some members are quite uneducated. So threads like this go in circles. Great or even just reasonable minds think alike. The entire professional community shares my views. Despite my best efforts to explain reality, with clear substantiating information, inexperienced gamblers lose billions to casinos, and hold beliefs akin to believing in fairies.
Its demoralizing, that some people are really that clueless. On the upside, at least the majority of people know better.
What i keep thinking is if you go to any forum, with educated and intelligent people, like a math or casino personnel forum, they would laugh people like turbo off the forum.
Its not just here, but any gambling forum, where logic, reason and understanding is missing by, not all, and not quite most, but an alarmingly large portion of members. It's actually quite sad to see.
QuoteThe entire professional community shares my views.
so did the church.... :xd: :xd:
People,
If you had the Holy Grail, would you waste so much time ar this forum?
You would be in the casinos making hundreds of thousands and using the money to have a good life and help the people in need.
Think about it... Would you waste hours in this forum every day saying you have an invincible system? Arguing with Steve?
Something is very wrong...
It does not matter if you like or dislike me. I'm just asking you guys to think about it.
Quote from: maestro on Jul 04, 11:20 AM 2018
so did the church.... :xd: :xd:
1957: Treaty of Rome drafted up in same room later used for the signing of the European Union Constitution with statue of Pope Innocent X. Opposite end of the room has a statue of Pope Urban VIII.
link:://:.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/img/treaty_reforms/TreatyReform_Rome.jpg
1971: Official Tarot cards printed in Switzerland: home of the Pope's Bodyguards (Swiss Guard) and Bank. The Pope is on several of the cards:
link:://commodities4all.com/tcm/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Major-Arcana-05.jpg
link:://4.bp.blogspot.com/-viw_qmEbwCI/TzNH89zFupI/AAAAAAAACXA/sTABvH4PWPs/s400/cards,death,skeleton,tarot-d104b7e3c5d54b7cb069472ea48d224c_h.jpg
1978: Pope John Paul I killed in 1978 by the Jesuits headed by the Black Pope after only 33 days in office.
2003: Vatican approves of Harry Potter's Witchcraft
link:://:.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1476924.html
2004: Pope calls for New World Order (originally on CNN Jan 1st)
link:://:.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/02/catholicism.religion
2004: Bush Asked for Vatican's Help on Political issues (whose in control of who?)
link:://:.nytimes.com/2004/06/13/politics/13george.html
2004: Tony Blair and others sign the European Union Constitution under statue of Pope (29th October).
link:://:.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/29/xin_23100130013904905149.jpg
European Union poster showing "Blockheads", including 2 guys hugging each other (symbol of homosexuality), except for the baby who has a round head because he's not been indoctrinated yet.
link:://:.annomundi.com/history/eurobabel_2.gif
2007: Saddam lieutenant pleads to Pope for mercy. "Aziz is a Chaldean Catholic, from a Babylonian branch of the Church which maintains full ties with Rome."
link:://:.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1540128/Saddam-lieutenant-pleads-to-Pope-for-mercy.html
This forum has lost its purpose. I believe in freedom of speech, but something is very wrong here. I think the rules of this forum should be redone.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 04, 11:57 AM 2018
People,
If you had the Holy Grail, would you waste so much time ar this forum?
You would be in the casinos making hundreds of thousands and using the money to have a good life and help the people in need.
Think about it... Would you waste hours in this forum every day saying you have an invincible system? Arguing with Steve?
Something is very wrong...
It does not matter if you like or dislike me. I'm just asking you guys to think about it.
Making hundreds of thousands, or millions, is not easy and very time consuming. Most people have lives, jobs, and family and are not full time roulette players.
Even AP players cannot guarantee wins in 37 spins. 37 spins is probably about how many spins you get per hour in a busy casino. I'm sure Steve and The General will admit that even with an edge, it can take hundreds of spins before profit is made.
Same goes for system players. A good system player knows probabilty... knows what to expect from random. And most importantly, uses good money management!
A holy grail does not mean you have to win every 37 spins. You do not have to win every session. System players as well as AP players can cut the game short at anytime, just because they've put in alot of hours and are tired of playing that day. As long as you win more than you lose, that's all that matters!
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 04, 12:30 PM 2018
Making hundreds of thousands, or millions, is not easy and very time consuming. Most people have lives, jobs, and family and are not full time roulette players.
Even AP players cannot guarantee wins in 37 spins. 37 spins is probably about how many spins you get per hour in a busy casino. I'm sure Steve and The General will admit that even with an edge, it can take hundreds of spins before profit is made.
Same goes for system players. A good system player knows probabilty... knows what to expect from random. And most importantly, uses good money management!
A holy grail does not mean you have to win every 37 spins. You do not have to win every session. System players as well as AP players can cut the game short at anytime, just because they've put in alot of hours and are tired of playing that day. As long as you win more than you lose, that's all that matters!
You are correct.
Everytime someone talk about making millions from gambling, I laugh. :xd:
Steve, caleb making millions ?
It's hilarious.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 04, 12:30 PM 2018
Making hundreds of thousands, or millions, is not easy and very time consuming. Most people have lives, jobs, and family and are not full time roulette players.
Even AP players cannot guarantee wins in 37 spins. 37 spins is probably about how many spins you get per hour in a busy casino. I'm sure Steve and The General will admit that even with an edge, it can take hundreds of spins before profit is made.
Same goes for system players. A good system player knows probabilty... knows what to expect from random. And most importantly, uses good money management!
A holy grail does not mean you have to win every 37 spins. You do not have to win every session. System players as well as AP players can cut the game short at anytime, just because they've put in alot of hours and are tired of playing that day. As long as you win more than you lose, that's all that matters!
Oh really? :o
I thought we could win every spin/session and buy some islands in the Bahamas.
I think I'm wasting my time here.
The guru's followers will protect him at any cost.
Andre, its definitely not a get rich quick scheme. I'm sure even AP players like Steve and General will tell you that it is alot of hard work, and can take many hundreds hours of play to make substantial money.
Might can't buy those islands in Bahamas...but cruises are cheap :)
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 04, 12:02 PM 2018
1957: Treaty of Rome drafted up in same room later used for the signing of the European Union Constitution with statue of Pope Innocent X. Opposite end of the room has a statue of Pope Urban VIII.
link:://:.europarl.europa.eu/aboutparliament/img/treaty_reforms/TreatyReform_Rome.jpg
1971: Official Tarot cards printed in Switzerland: home of the Pope's Bodyguards (Swiss Guard) and Bank. The Pope is on several of the cards:
link:://commodities4all.com/tcm/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Major-Arcana-05.jpg
link:://4.bp.blogspot.com/-viw_qmEbwCI/TzNH89zFupI/AAAAAAAACXA/sTABvH4PWPs/s400/cards,death,skeleton,tarot-d104b7e3c5d54b7cb069472ea48d224c_h.jpg
1978: Pope John Paul I killed in 1978 by the Jesuits headed by the Black Pope after only 33 days in office.
2003: Vatican approves of Harry Potter's Witchcraft
link:://:.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1476924.html
2004: Pope calls for New World Order (originally on CNN Jan 1st)
link:://:.theguardian.com/world/2004/jan/02/catholicism.religion
2004: Bush Asked for Vatican's Help on Political issues (whose in control of who?)
link:://:.nytimes.com/2004/06/13/politics/13george.html
2004: Tony Blair and others sign the European Union Constitution under statue of Pope (29th October).
link:://:.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/29/xin_23100130013904905149.jpg
European Union poster showing "Blockheads", including 2 guys hugging each other (symbol of homosexuality), except for the baby who has a round head because he's not been indoctrinated yet.
link:://:.annomundi.com/history/eurobabel_2.gif
2007: Saddam lieutenant pleads to Pope for mercy. "Aziz is a Chaldean Catholic, from a Babylonian branch of the Church which maintains full ties with Rome."
link:://:.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1540128/Saddam-lieutenant-pleads-to-Pope-for-mercy.html
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 07:07 PM 2018Secretly probably one of the more intelligent members on this forum.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 04, 01:14 PM 2018
Andre, its definitely not a get rich quick scheme. I'm sure even AP players like Steve and General will tell you that it is alot of hard work, and can take many hundreds hours of play to make substantial money.
Might can't buy those islands in Bahamas...but cruises are cheap :)
Really? You're kidding me...
I thought if someone had the HG could buy for example some country, own Microsoft ... You have now ended my dreams, my illusions. But I thank you for opening my eyes.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 04, 01:14 PM 2018I'm sure even AP players like Steve and General will tell you that it is alot of hard work, and can take many hundreds hours of play to make substantial money.
Work is not playing. The play is like harvest usually. Main job is before that - find good wheel, create schema of play, etc....
FYI, Turner:
1113: First of the Pope's special forces formed: The Knights Hospitallers. They control the hospital system, ie. American Red Cross. Pope Pascal II acknowledged them as a religious order.
1118: Second of the Pope's special forces formed: The Knights Templars (also has another meaning: 2. A man belonging to a Masonic order in the United States.)
link:://:.thefreedictionary.com/Knights+Templar
1312: Knights Templars suppressed and their property and wealth passed to the Knights Hospitallers.
1450: Printing Press - hard to control Bible from being printed
1526: Thomas More made a Saint after executing William Tyndale and other Lutherans for translating the Bible into English
link:://extra.shu.ac.uk/emls/moretyndale.pdf
1530: Knights Hospitallers AKA Knights of Rhodes changed their name to the Knights of Malta.
1540: Jesuits/Society of Jesus formed as the Army of the Pope to counter the Reformation/Apostates.
1551: Jesuits created theatre, i.e. Shakespeare to discourage people from studying the bible
1605: Catholic conspiracy, headed by Guy Fawkes, to blow up the houses of parliament and assassinate King James I in order to restore a Catholic monarch to the throne.
1676: Spanish expelled Jesuits from the New World after they used the Indians and Mexicans as slaves for mining gold--sealed with the impression of the cross. 133 missions, 24 colleges, 11 seminaries and a large number of Indian schools were closed. Education out there had been introduced during the 1500s before Brighams and the Mormans to try to control the way people think. Catholics have always been in control of the school system throughout America and Europe. That's why America is called Latin America.
link:://:.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/303071/Jesuit-drama
1789: Georgetown University founded--oldest Jesuit/Catholic university in the US.
1823: Early in the 19th century [1800s] the Pope came to the Rothschilds to borrow money. The Rothschilds were very friendly with the Pope, causing one journalist to sarcasticly say "Rothschild has kissed the hand of the Pope...Order has at last been re-established. "The Rothschilds in fact over time were entrusted with the bulk of the Vatican's wealth. The Jewish Ency., Vol. 2, p.497 states, "It is a somewhat curious sequel to the attempt to set up a Catholic competitor to the Rothschilds that at the present time (1905) the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure." Researcher Eustice Mullins writes that the Rothschilds took over all the financial operations of the worldwide Catholic Church in 1823.
link:://:.truedemocracy.net/hj31/14.html
1823: In order to become a Mexican Citizen in Texas you had to convert to Roman Catholicism.
1865: Abraham Lincoln assassinated by Jesuits. 18 months later the killer John Surratt (Pope's bodyguard) was caught and wearing a papal uniform at the time.
link:://eindtijdinbeeld.nl/EiB-Bibliotheek/Boeken/romes_responsibility_for_the_assassination_of_Abraham_Lincon.pdf
1904-1909: Genocide of the Herero people in Namibia (Southwest Africa) by German colonists and concentration camps
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=O4OZ7Xc5pWQ
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide
1912: Titanic funded by the Catholics to murder those against the Federal Reserve system. A Jesuit priest was initially on-board whilst a fire was raging below deck to photograph all victims and then got off before the main part of the voyage.
link:://:.pacinst.com/terrorists/chapter5/titanic.html
Aight... Guys, this is how you kill off a Cycle Length 9 - 0.02% chance of encountering during our lifetime - we expect up to CL8 max.
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/6uaz7q21n/cl9a.png)
All other games (CL5-CL8) are automatic winners and profiteers.
I will compare 1 million spins playing Quadruplets (CL5-CL8) with playing numbers (CL20-CL25). That's the first extreme loophole we can exploit - and I am guessing it will result in more profit on Quads than Numbers.
Following that the next test will bring in the "jump back" trick I spoke of, which should then increase the profit tenfold!
But there's more: A repeats framework as sophisticated as Quadruplets opens up a 2nd extreme event that we don't usually have access to with a standard repeats framework.
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(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/vnkj8dsrv/cl9b.png)
The cycle began with a group 2 (a group 3 starting partition would be even more ideal). Nevertheless, by betting to match Group 2 repeat/unique or Group 1 unique the cycle would have already won on the extreme 2 event before we even started betting for the extreme 1 event. Anyhow, we are getting ahead of ourselves here... so I'll bring that feature in at the end... Manz not ready; you get me, like? Manz don't know, innit... all in good time. :xd:
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 03, 05:29 AM 2018
I think there's only one way unique & repeat indicators might possibly help us:
If you play only 4 games in your lifetime and you wanted to win all of them. You could sit around waiting for 20 virtual losses on betting numbers (1s to becomes 2s) and then start betting with a progression. You would then be pretty much guaranteed to get a win within the next 5 spins, but it would involve waiting your whole life for it to happen.
But if you refer to my quadruplets topic you will see that you can arrive at a similar extreme situation by only having to wait for 8 cycles:
1 3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5.... now bet all and guaranteed a win.
You aren't winning through prediction but by waiting for an extreme situation that is a bit more predictable than X amounts of reds in a row to be followed by an (independent) black.
And you don't win on events that are more extreme than other less extreme events - you win (over a series of spins) because you have encountered the most extreme event.
It's still an incredible amount of waiting time - though not as much as 20 numbers bets. The cycles are helping you keep track of all different combined bets - real or virtual - of different ratios/payout odds.
If I get a win on order 1 I can carry over the last 8 uniques to the next game and be in the same situation still:
1 3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5.... 1
3 6 2 7 8 9 4 5 1...
I can't do that after 22 reds in a row followed by a black.
So that helps to maintain an extreme situation and reduce waiting time between games.
And since the pigeons are not equal with quadruplets, if we begin a new cycle defined by options 4-10:
6...
We are then already at another extreme situation where we could bet options 1-5 (covering 6) and guarantee a win on a unique (mostly) instead of a repeat and within the house limits.
So that's the next direction I'll be taking my testing and simulations.
Incidentally, Dyksexlic said we should have less pigeonholes than pigeons, such as SAME or DIFFERENT for a repeat, but I already tested and this doesn't help.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 04, 07:33 AM 2018Generally speaking, what you are saying is correct: we cannot use triggers, and every spin is independent. But there comes a time where independence becomes exhausted and outcomes start to drop off the chart as part of the most extreme events (not events that are more extreme than less extreme events - but the MOST EXTREME). And this can be proven through testing.
Let's say 1 million spins represents your lifetime playing Roulette. We can look back in hindsight and see that everything was a break even game. However, no matter which set of 1 million spins you take the maximum cycle length for the first repeat on numbers is always around the CL25 spin mark, and it never fluctuates as extreme as 20 - 30. Now, possibly over trillions of spins you may get closer to 30 - but never in your lifetime.
Therefore if you play those CL20+ games - the repeats framework can track and indicate when you should start betting. And this trigger happens only a few times within your life. All other kinds of triggers - rightly so - have no effect and do not guarantee a win in 5 spins, but the most extreme triggers I refer to are of a more special kind and come with a lifetime guarantee.
Now, the repeats framework that can accurately help us track extreme events can be made more sophisticated and highlight additional extreme events with the possibility of reducing waiting times using special "tricks" akin to winkel's "jump" back in GUT.
In the Quadruplets universe the "numbers CL25" counterpart is CL9, which is 23/157730 = 0.02% (with an empty CL10 pigeonhole!)
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/hwtdsb1ez/image.png)
Therefore, you can play from about CL5 (maybe CL4) and guarantee profit:
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/u18n8ylx7/image.png)
That's 11.6%!! A massive increase over what is achievable using a basic repeats framework. Now, if we use the "tricks" that I mentioned then we can increase beyond that 11.6% to improve our life.
By using a more sophisticated framework such as Quadruplets we introduce additional extreme events that are not apparent in a basic framework:
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Above when a cycle begins with a group 4 pigeon (Options 7-10) we are guaranteed either a repeat on the same pigeon or one of the group 1-3 uniques (within the house limits). Now, the stats of a cycle being defined by group 4 is hardly worth waiting for even during a typical lifetime. However, we can no doubt employ more tricks to increase it. By rights we should just be able to start a new cycle whenever we encounter a single appearance of group 4 and start to bring in the profit. That would easily take us up to 10%. Cycles beginning with group 3 may be exploitable too - I haven't checked yet. But you can start to see the possibilities here and begin to understand a different perspective/direction we may take to go beyond a fool's game of hot/cold. Here we are not betting just hot, just cold or even both together; we are making use of the framework to guide us towards the most extreme events based on a lifetime personal permanence.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 04, 08:16 AM 2018There's nothing theoretical or speculative here. You take any 1 million spins and look back at them - always a win in, say, 5 spins. There's your empirical evidence and starting point for the journey I am taking that I hope will lead to a new understanding of Roulette. Maybe have a read back about what I said: the rare events are limited by the non-random framework you choose. You cannot go looking for events if you don't have the appropriate framework for tracking them etc. So this is a whole new way of playing - like tapping into free energy:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20490.0
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It seems that many people here in the forum have already realized that something is wrong with his claim about HG. The voting thread "Does Turbo have the HG and NEVER LOSES?" is showing that.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 06:50 AM 2018Geez i was hoping youd say "im full stack with focus on c, c#. c++ and .NET. and can easily port to iOS.". I have a lot of programmers and good ones
Quotethe programmer started work on it and replicating freezes.
QuoteIts the test file while the programmer is still working on it.
QuoteI'll get the programmer to have a look.
QuoteIf the programmer cant replicate it, he cant fix it
QuoteI need details to report to programmer.
QuoteIt takes a programmer at least a week just to understand existing code. ......
QuoteI need to hire another programmer
Quoteafter that many programmers change theit mind about the job
Quotecheating was possible because the programmer didn't follow my design instructions
Quotea bug that needs fixing anyway, so I notified the programmer. It rarely happens
Quotethe programmer was busy with other things.
Quoteproblems with some browsers so I'll notify the programmer
You should hire Joe - or any other programmer from any of the various roulette
game sites where bugs are virtually non-existent and the game is fair - there's lots.
Yours however is constantly breaking and has more bugs than a hotel in Camden, NJ
,,, but I digress - if you want to prove that something works, it's MPR or nothing !!!!
What a laugh.
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Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 04, 01:52 PM 2018
It seems that many people here in the forum have already realized that something is wrong with his claim about HG. The voting thread "Does Turbo have the HG and NEVER LOSES?" is showing that.
Loaded question, so I don't vote. I have no reason to not believe that Turbo is a long term winner....like many others here! Just dont like the wording "never loses". If Turbo steps away from the wheel, while down, to grab a drink at the bar is that a loss? Is a loss not profiting in 36 spins? 100?
Andre I flatbetted a 00 wheel for 8 hours, nearly 400 spins. Turned $100 to $1000. 00 wheels have a 5.5% edge, so why did I win?
Now imagine an AP player found a defective wheel that gave him a 6% edge. Even with a definite edge, it may take 500, 700, or even 1000 spins before the AP players profits. This many spins cannot be reasonably played in a couple hours....it make take 3 days of going in the casino to get that profit. Does that mean the first 2 days the AP player was a loser? Even if overall end result was positive?
Never losses is a shady way of conducting survey
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 04, 01:51 PM 2018
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When I do the next number cycles test (comparing to the quads) you'll then be on more familiar ground and able to better understand the difference and why playing quads is better than playing numbers. Whatever learning comes out of this will enable us to eventually scrap quads go back to Six Dozen Options and apply the winning concepts to that ala Priyanka's Journey videos. Six options is easier to play than Ten.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 04, 02:19 PM 2018Now imagine an AP player found a defective wheel that gave him a 6% edge. Even with a definite edge, it may take 500, 700, or even 1000 spins before the AP players profits. This many spins cannot be reasonably played in a couple hours....it make take 3 days of going into the casino to get that profit. Does that mean the first 2 days the AP player was a loser?
With 6% edge lost in 1000 spins are almost not possible. Micronic chance.... Only if that edge on 1 or 2 numbers....
Sorry Falkor
I dont communicate in popes and pidgeons
Just looks like the inside of John Ford Pope Jnr's shed in the woods to me :o
I took that from "God on trial" (if anyone hasn't seen it, please watch - it's very good)
So the "poll" thread was created by Steve to put what I've said up to "the test"
among forum members. I promise that I won't make a long post about it - besides there are burgers and hotdogs to grill - it's July 4th !!!.
I'm not sure what country Steve is from but I have to admit - what a thread that is !
Make a poll, the only answers are Yes and No when of course there are various definitions. For example, I lose a session - win the next two and leave. That counts as "not losing". -Or- I consider a session complete when a new high balance is reached, time isn't relevant - again "not losing" is the correct description of that kind of play.
But regardless - the poll thread is to put me on trial and see what member think.
Fair enough ?
The "Prosecution" in this case was completely free to post (re-post actually)
everything he's ever said to make his case. There will soon be an entire web page in my honor I'm sure - but the claims that I just want attention kind of makes that...."more attention".. which I would want right ??? lol. never mind.
For the "record" this contained : 2,403 words (or 13,810 characters)
Quite an impressive prosecution of the case to convince anyone interested in
reading all of that. Then it's turned over to the "jury" / forum members - POW.
Then - (which happens in no court ever) he told the Defense - if you have anything to say, post it in the other thread not this one.
Which the analogy would be the Judge (in this case also the Prosecution lawyer) tells anyone who doesn't agree or has something to say - go talk about it in the hallway or another room - don't contaminate MY CASE with your viewpoints. Absurd ? Yes.
Fortunately it's just a poll question and not a trial, I'm confident Steve will never be a attorney lol. "If you don't like it - go post somewhere else, I made my case !!!! This trial is in RECESS !!!!!!! the experts have spoken. Turbo DOES NOT count as an expert - his testimony is stricken from this trial !!!"
Absurdity at it's highest level (almost).
Now to the other point - which he doesn't understand fulfills exactly what I've said all along and he thereby makes my own case for me.
I said the complete "HG" (if you will) ((exhibit A ?? lol)) would never be posted
in the open, because this would be the worst thing anyone could do.
I made it clear that a few would get it (understand) and others wouldn't.
The poll clearly shows that those who get it - they do exist... That is/was my goal as I've said from the start.
(but that won't matter. I said that I was going to lose at Parx on purpose ahead of time and he's continued to twist this into "I lost because my "HG" failed miserably")
If the poll turned out to be 1 for Yes and 200 for No I would be fine with it.
It means 1 person "got it". I'm happy with that, someone was helped.
If Steve thinks it's a "loss" for me of some sort if the No's outnumber the Yes's (yes's ??) then he's wrong (again). I would prefer without any doubt that the poll would show more people replying "No" - which it does. The majority of people are fine with believing what they were told throughout time, that it's impossible - hell some even believe Einstein played the game and said it couldn't be beaten. That's fine. The majority can believe Steve and those other experts throughout history he keeps pointing to as proof.
If I wanted to "win" this poll of absurdity - then I would post everything and then almost everyone would agree (even Steve - who I'm confident along with General are playing Devil's Advocate knowing full well there are ways to win aside from their chosen methods)
But as I said - it's better that some get it, and clearly some do get it. Poll is therefore irrelevant. If 1 person says Yes then I have nothing to prove.
That person would be called names and told they are wrong.
But I'm sure the No's will outnumber the Yes's and that means I'm clearly lying to the judge in this trial lol. So fine, entertain yourself.
It's a court of nonsense and absurdity - but it's not my time to waste, it's his.
Thanks for reading, enjoy your 4th ! How great it is to be in the land of the free - where every voice is heard and you aren't silenced because you stand up for what you believe (right or wrong). And the loudest voices who "authority" try to silence are typically the ones telling the truth. Will it take 400 pages in that thread ? Will it be locked ? Will I be banned from posting or asked to leave ? What does it take ?
Cheers... time to throw some gasoline on the coals, who wants a burger ?
Quote from: Turner on Jul 04, 02:40 PM 2018
Sorry Falkor
I dont communicate in popes and pidgeons
Just looks like the inside of John Ford Pope Jnr's shed in the woods to me :o
:lol:
"What have we done to the world
Look what we've done"
"I used to dream
I used to glance beyond the stars
Now I don't know where we are"
Which song is that, Turner?
Quote from: The General on Jul 03, 07:07 PM 2018Secretly probably one of the more intelligent members on this forum.
Ghost, Notto, and Turbo could all learn from him.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 04, 02:20 PM 2018go back to Six Dozen Options and apply the winning concepts to that ala Priyanka's Journey videos.
Thanks General - now people know who to listen to.
The last "Savior" Priyanka who cheated on MPR to place first and led around people to the holy land that never existed. I might add was never properly ran out town for cheating and lying to everyone, but regardless... thanks.
So to be clear General - listen to Falkor, who's pretending to be smart, or pretending not to be smart, who follows the teachings of a cheater who won on MPR and was caught doing it - instead of listening to me, who you obviously rate below Falkor.
WOW - you're out of the fan club and off the team. You can't even bring me water now.
Quote from: Andre Chass on Jul 04, 01:52 PM 2018It seems that many people here in the forum have already realized that something is wrong with his claim about HG. The voting thread "Does Turbo have the HG and NEVER LOSES?" is showing that.
I'm glad it does.
If you have a brain larger than a pickle you'll understand why I truly hope the majority of people don't believe it. If I wanted everyone to win I would have done that. I'd say the poll results so far are absolutely perfect.
I couldn't see any logic to how Priyanka was making decisions with Six Dozen Options, so I doubt she had a winning system. I just borrowed the concept of making the six new pigeons with different characteristics so that we can target new extreme events that have never been encountered before (not the way Priyanka was using them).
Turbo and falkor are focusing, they are seeing the unseen
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 04, 02:47 PM 2018"What have we done to the world
Look what we've done"
"I used to dream
I used to glance beyond the stars
Now I don't know where we are
very appropriate
Wako loony Jacko
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 04, 02:56 PM 2018
I'm glad it does.
If you have a brain larger than a pickle you'll understand why I truly hope the majority of people don't believe it. If I wanted everyone to win I would have done that. I'd say the poll results so far are absolutely perfect.
This thread once started out as a new look at how roulette is best to be played and profit from it.
After more then 200 pages, the only thing that remains, is YES or NO.
There will Always be believers and non believers. It is best to keep it that way.
Same goes for believing in the Bible, Koran etc. It doesn't matter if you are a believer or not, it is All about respect to one and another. And keep that respect.
If you believe in turbo's method, go test you're self. And test and test and test.
Maybe you will find the method, maybe you Will find something on you're own.
If you don't believe in the method, then don't test and stay of topic and play you're own thing.
You guys Have to remember that Turbo is giving free information to everyone, free of charge. What you do with that information is up to each of it's own.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jul 04, 03:13 PM 2018
This thread once started out as a new look at how roulette is best to be played and profit from it.
After more then 200 pages, the only thing that remains, is YES or NO.
There will Always be believers and non believers. It is best to keep it that way.
Same goes for believing in the Bible, Koran etc. It doesn't matter if you are a believer or not, it is All about respect to one and another. And keep that respect.
The New Testament and the Quran were both created by the Catholic Church and Flavian Caesars (later known as Bishops of Rome or Pope):
Flavius Titus and his father
Flavius Vespasian: created the 3 synoptic gospels
Flavius Domition: created the gospel of Mark, book of revelation and most of the remaining books.
Flavia Domitilla: opened the Christian catacombs in Rome, where Christianity was headquartered from.
Flavius Clement: first pope who ran the Catholic church
Flavius Constantine: made Christianity a state religion and introduced feudalism
Flavius Heraclius: invented Islam.
link:://:.islamicbulletin.org/newsletters/issue_14/letter.aspx
The Catholic and Muslims (under Otto III) added 300 years to the calendar that never existed after the Arabs suddenly terminated civilization (including Byzantium) in the 7th century that was thriving throughout Europe, north Africa and the near east (except Saxon England) up until that time, began a slave trade with the help of the vikings, carrying out pirate raids across the entire Mediterranean (lasted till 18th century - even under the Ottomans) giving way to feudalism and hill-top castle building - human slaves were the most prized commodity (males were castrated to become Eunuchs under the Caliph). Venice was one of the main slave trading ports. 10th century was a continuation of the 7th - since 300 years were later added to the calendar. All inventions attributed to Islam during a golden age that never existed turned out to be Chinese or Indian inventions, literature was preserved in monasteries instead, and there's only a handful of examples of early Islamic architecture throughout their conquered territories. Wheeled vehicles were then virtually unknown, right up until modern times, throughout the Muslim lands. This was all the more strange given the fact that the wheel was invented in the Middle East (in Babylonia) and had been commonly used in the earlier ages.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 04, 02:46 PM 2018
I took that from "God on trial" (if anyone hasn't seen it, please watch - it's very good)
So the "poll" thread was created by Steve to put what I've said up to "the test"
among forum members. I promise that I won't make a long post about it - besides there are burgers and hotdogs to grill - it's July 4th !!!.
I'm not sure what country Steve is from but I have to admit - what a thread that is !
Make a poll, the only answers are Yes and No when of course there are various definitions. For example, I lose a session - win the next two and leave. That counts as "not losing". -Or- I consider a session complete when a new high balance is reached, time isn't relevant - again "not losing" is the correct description of that kind of play.
But regardless - the poll thread is to put me on trial and see what member think.
Fair enough ?
The "Prosecution" in this case was completely free to post (re-post actually)
everything he's ever said to make his case. There will soon be an entire web page in my honor I'm sure - but the claims that I just want attention kind of makes that...."more attention".. which I would want right ??? lol. never mind.
For the "record" this contained : 2,403 words (or 13,810 characters)
Quite an impressive prosecution of the case to convince anyone interested in
reading all of that. Then it's turned over to the "jury" / forum members - POW.
Then - (which happens in no court ever) he told the Defense - if you have anything to say, post it in the other thread not this one.
Which the analogy would be the Judge (in this case also the Prosecution lawyer) tells anyone who doesn't agree or has something to say - go talk about it in the hallway or another room - don't contaminate MY CASE with your viewpoints. Absurd ? Yes.
Fortunately it's just a poll question and not a trial, I'm confident Steve will never be a attorney lol. "If you don't like it - go post somewhere else, I made my case !!!! This trial is in RECESS !!!!!!! the experts have spoken. Turbo DOES NOT count as an expert - his testimony is stricken from this trial !!!"
Absurdity at it's highest level (almost).
Now to the other point - which he doesn't understand fulfills exactly what I've said all along and he thereby makes my own case for me.
I said the complete "HG" (if you will) ((exhibit A ?? lol)) would never be posted
in the open, because this would be the worst thing anyone could do.
I made it clear that a few would get it (understand) and others wouldn't.
The poll clearly shows that those who get it - they do exist... That is/was my goal as I've said from the start.
(but that won't matter. I said that I was going to lose at Parx on purpose ahead of time and he's continued to twist this into "I lost because my "HG" failed miserably")
If the poll turned out to be 1 for Yes and 200 for No I would be fine with it.
It means 1 person "got it". I'm happy with that, someone was helped.
If Steve thinks it's a "loss" for me of some sort if the No's outnumber the Yes's (yes's ??) then he's wrong (again). I would prefer without any doubt that the poll would show more people replying "No" - which it does. The majority of people are fine with believing what they were told throughout time, that it's impossible - hell some even believe Einstein played the game and said it couldn't be beaten. That's fine. The majority can believe Steve and those other experts throughout history he keeps pointing to as proof.
If I wanted to "win" this poll of absurdity - then I would post everything and then almost everyone would agree (even Steve - who I'm confident along with General are playing Devil's Advocate knowing full well there are ways to win aside from their chosen methods)
But as I said - it's better that some get it, and clearly some do get it. Poll is therefore irrelevant. If 1 person says Yes then I have nothing to prove.
That person would be called names and told they are wrong.
But I'm sure the No's will outnumber the Yes's and that means I'm clearly lying to the judge in this trial lol. So fine, entertain yourself.
It's a court of nonsense and absurdity - but it's not my time to waste, it's his.
Thanks for reading, enjoy your 4th ! How great it is to be in the land of the free - where every voice is heard and you aren't silenced because you stand up for what you believe (right or wrong). And the loudest voices who "authority" try to silence are typically the ones telling the truth. Will it take 400 pages in that thread ? Will it be locked ? Will I be banned from posting or asked to leave ? What does it take ?
Cheers... time to throw some gasoline on the coals, who wants a burger ?
Awesome defence! :smile:
I Have nothing to say, and i don't tend to do that anymore from now on on this topic. I Have been called names in All kinds of levels, Hell eveny Family has brought into this. I'm tired to defend myself All over again everytime i post something. Yes, i'm a believer in Turbo, so shoot me!
What the Hell are we talking about here anyway ? Treat the man with respect, because in my eyes he deserved it. He has nothing done wrong since he joined the forum other then pointing members in the Right direction. It's the same if someone would ask Turbo where the Coast is, and he would say; if you go Straight ahead and take the First turn Right, you'll get there.
No, you People want that Turbo takes you by the hand and bring you there :yawn: Wake up People, it ain't gonna happen, Let it rest. Why should he, he has nothing to gain from doin' so.
I'm sure in Time he will be happy to guide us believers further in the Right direction to the Coast, bit not on this Forum he is not.
And by the way, it doesn't matter if he did put it all on a Silver platter, you would still call him all sports of things.
Case closed!
Oops, correction:
Flavius Domition: created the gospel of Mark John, book of revelation and most of the remaining books.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 04, 02:46 PM 2018I'm not sure what country Steve is from
Ironically, seeing as this is a Kangaroo court, take a guess :thumbsup:
gentlemen the fact is that you want to self-assert yourself and not to defeat the roulette of luck to the Caesar's Cesarean God of God
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 04, 03:37 PM 2018
Oops, correction:
Flavius Domition: created the gospel of Mark John, book of revelation and most of the remaining books.
Yeah...saw that but didnt want to show you up :o
Quote from: Turner on Jul 04, 05:00 PM 2018
Yeah...saw that but didnt want to show you up :o
I haven't paid Steve for editing rights yet, but I think he's pensioned off Turbo... even I want to buy one of his computers now, but first I need to see if my latest ideas lead anywhere. If I do find the HG I want to share it with everyone here because we only have a few years remaining before Martial Law 2023, plague, FEMA camps, and the closure of Roulette/casinos following July 4th 2023 nuclear attack on Washington DC - to be blamed on North Korea - emphasised in the movie
Bladerunner 2049 (among others). What's more: Turbo has let us all down.
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I'm going to continue this tomorrow...
So far I got 3,192 unit profit over 100K spins for extreme event 1 (without any optimisations added yet to boost the profit).
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/ylzvl3jor/100k.png)
That means after 1 million spins this first run should make $31,920 profit with a BR of only about $600 before optimisations.
Also interested to see how number repeats (CL20-25) will compare tomorrow.
Have attached WIP so far (need to open in Firefox because IE and Chrome will be too slow to open).
Falknor, you make me laugh. Keep doing what you doing, man. Hope you find it!
You told me that repeater singles will fail, based on a test you run on dozens...said it's all the same. Then you say quads are a better bet th han singles. So, which is it? Are some bets/strategies better than others? Or is it they are all bad? Can't have it both ways
General, can you step in and clear this up? Way above my intelligence level :) :)
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 04, 02:19 PM 2018Never losses is a shady way of conducting survey
Its turbos words, not mine. Despite the poll being clear, there are still some really uneducated and gullible people.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 04, 05:15 PM 2018What's more: Turbo has let us all down.
Let us down? lol
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 04, 05:50 PM 2018
Falknor, you make me laugh. Keep doing what you doing, man. Hope you find it!
You told me that repeater singles will fail, based on a test you run on dozens...said it's all the same. Then you say quads are a better bet th han singles. So, which is it? Are some bets/strategies better than others? Or is it they are all bad? Can't have it both ways
As I said: all fail and break even over the long run. The only difference is how you construct your repeats framework - pigeons and pigeonholes - to provide different keyframes/markers. Only through a sophisticated framework such as Quadruplets - more so than Six Dozen Options or standard repeats - can we tap into certain rare events that I am currently in the process of exploring. It's all uncharted territory since I already escaped the broken record of hot numbers and I need to fix everyone's broken dreams caused by the likes of Turbo! >:(
link:s://:.youtube.com/watch?v=V11viz95-58
Don't worry, guys! Count on me... I am going to get you this HG or at least something practical to guarantee some profit and improve your lives.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 04, 06:04 PM 2018Don't worry, guys! Count on me... I am going to get you this HG or at least something practical to guarantee some profit and improve your lives.
LOL
Hey ! Who moved my post ????
Why bury it 3 pages back in "this" thread when it was it's own thread ?
Are we moving things around now like a damn shell game ?
Nice.....
I merged it. You can share your gift of knowledge to the world, but not litter the forum.
Quote from: Turner on Jul 04, 03:58 PM 2018Ironically, seeing as this is a Kangaroo court, take a guess
No kidding.
Now the argument for the defense was moved out to the hallway where everyone just might miss it (unless you go back 3-4 pages in this thread).
At least it wasn't deleted I guess.. It was it's own thread, not part of this one...
sigh.
No further questions your honor - this court is rigged.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 07:10 PM 2018I merged it. You can share your gift of knowledge to the world, but not litter the forum.
Such as making a thread with a poll just to find out "WHO" believes me or who doesn't.
"Me" - one member. lol That's more relevant than my reply which I was told not to do in the same thread as the poll. Never mind.
Turbo, your response did not address your claims. It was not a defense with counter-arguments. It was just a "hey look at me" post from someone wanting attention. The poll's post was a summary of YOUR claims. I wasn't aware you need to defend against yourself.
If the poll showed no followers, I'd show you the door like I did to CEH. It did serve a purpose. There are still some people left believing you. Good for you :thumbsup:
As with most lessons, people need to learn them for themselves. I'll watch it unfold over time. Even Charles Edward Hampshire still has some followers. Those are the particularly slow learners. But clearly the majority know better.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 07:18 PM 2018If the poll showed no followers, I'd show you the door like I did to CEH. It did serve a purpose. There are still some people left believing you. Good for you
That's sad.
I won't be posting. It was a "trial" against me - 13,810 characters and then the jury (forum members - YOUR members) were instructed to vote on a one-sided poll where you posted all of your "supposed'' evidence, and where anyone who voted Yes would be insulted just as they have been since they backed up what I said.
Like I said in my post (that was moved improperly) that means a few people understand, which is my goal.
Good for me ??? - unreal.
Enjoy. - people can reach me via email, I won't reply to the nonsense anymore.
There's 10 people here that you need to work with Steve, Change their minds
if you can against the evil "me", the supposed Guru. I'm ready for "He was backed into
a corner and couldn't answer anything asked - and left the forum like a coward" posts from you and General.
I guess it is what it is. Shame you treat people this way, and I'm not speaking about myself.
Almost forgot to log in and screen shot my PMs -
May 5th, 2016 11:27pm ?
I guess in leaving you can just give me the credit that I always keep my word.
Cheers and keep winning everyone.
Passionruleta, you have no idea, but thats ok.
Turbo, ok bye
I do not participate in that poll.
Now TG has left the forum, this brings a close to this thread.
A simple request if you wish to discuss roulette do it in another thread.
Thank you.
Aight... Guys, I shall be taking over from turbo! No baiting... As I said you can rely on me to do my best to find find this HG and bring it out into the open... This is for what turbo did to you guys.... we will get our revenge! :thumbsup:
Standard number cycles only made 1320 profit compared to Quadruplet cycles, which made almost TRIPLE that amount in 100K spins:
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/qb9xj02uz/ncycle.png)
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/ylzvl3jor/100k.png)
I showed you how we could kill off CL9 (0.02% chance of occurrence) with a maximum unit size bet of 395 coupled with more betting opportunities:
(link:s://s15.postimg.cc/6uaz7q21n/cl9a.png)
Number cycles counterpart is CL25 requiring a maximum of 678 unit size bet to kill it off and with fewer betting opportunities, alas:
18 1 18 -18
19 2 16 -56
20 4 8 -136
21 10 14 -346
22 25 4 -896
23 69 1 -2483
24 207 1 -7451
25 678 7 -24401
= FIRST EVER PROOF THAT WE ARE APPROACHING THE HG AND MAY EVEN END UP FLAT-BETTING AND WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is only the intro.... big tingz to come as these test runs go through a process of maturity.
Falkor, i find your explanations as clear as mud. It may as well be in alien. Not many people have time to make sense of what you're saying.
Please make explanations clear and simple. I would like to have a closer look to see if there's something to it. For now it looks like you're using set spins that match your hypothesis.
Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jul 05, 06:09 AM 2018Guys, I shall be taking over from turbo!
If that means you have nothing but contradictions and bad logic, please don't. It's better you create a separate topic for your own theories. Like i told turbo at the start, i have an open mind and listen to reason, but it has to actually make sense.
It's explained and illustrated here:
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=20490.0
How far are you able to follow? Which part doesn't make sense and I can go into more detail? I would like to edit out the bottom chart in the opening post because it's no longer relevant.
I'm using the first 100K spins from a set of 1 million to compare both types of cycles: traditional number cycles vs. a much more sophisticated repeats framework. Have discussed these concepts a lot over the past few days. I want this project to be entirely open-source, but since I'm not baiting like Turbo I doubt it will generate much interest.
Feel free to respond here or in the main topic.
Quote from: TurboGenius on Jul 04, 08:09 PM 2018I guess in leaving you can just give me the credit that I always keep my word.
Cheers and keep winning everyone.
Turbo, sorry to see you leave (sincerely). I've enjoyed reading your posts and like your creative use of analogies, even though I don't find all of them convincing. Please drop in to let us know when you've completed your book. Hey I might even buy a copy (although I assume you won't be spilling the beans entirely). All the best.
I think it’s disgusting how Turbo has been hounded out of here. If he was trying to sell a system or had been telling people this is how you should play when it clearly could lead you to trouble than fair enough.
People (and some self-proclaimed professionals) may not agree with the basics but no you don’t know exactly how he plays and he has always advised to test and test again before playing for money.
What Turbo has written may lead some to better systems and then again may not. Turbo has shown that on Parx and RS he can win. No its not as easy to win week in week out and if Bago was honest he’d agree but is it proof you have a HG? Not for me. Do I believe he has one? If pushed I’d say yes. Does that make me a follower :yawn: no. I’ve followed some of his advice as I have other posters such as Mrj and Notto and many more to try and create winning playable systems.
As Turbo has said don’t take anything off a forum as gospel and test fully before using for real.
I for one think it’s a big loss not having Turbo post on here anymore whether you agreed with him or not.
Hoping for an England Belgium final, how many Spurs players would that be 8)
Quote from: Steve on Jul 04, 05:54 PM 2018
Its turbos words, not mine. Despite the poll being clear, there are still some really uneducated and gullible people.
And hard headed and annoying and sound like a parrot and act like a little kid and are full of.....
Oh wait thats all you Steve :thumbsup:
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jul 04, 08:02 PM 2018
Steve, the only one who wants attention is you.
Bingoooooo!!!
Anyone who responded refuting flat earth nonsense did so for attention too, right?
You've got no idea if you think attention is at all a consideration.
Anyone who understood the nonsense turbo was saying understands it's just as bad, if not worse as flat earth talk because it can harm desperate people. The problem here is some people don't understand, so think other people have the problem. They think they understand, but really don't. I hope for their sake they one day understand better.
And armitage, turbo was harming people. You expect him to claim he never loses, always wins, but only if spins are random,.. and his proof is winning play money on provably unrealistic games where others win even more?
You think he shouldnt have been met with skepticism, logic, verification and proof to demonstrate he was misleading and harming people? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. But in this case, his claims were full of gaping holes, so justifiably he faced counter arguments and clear proof, that he could not refute except with "parx is realistic" and "2 comes after 1". Perhaps don't be naive. And don't be disgusted his claims were rightfully challenged.
You clearly don't understand the situation. He is not the person you think but let the matter rest, and anyone who wants to follow turbos advice, just do so. At the start of the thread, you see i began with an open mind. But it became clear turbo had nothing and was wasting everyone's time. Me having limited tolerance for the equivalent of flat earth nonsense is not about attention, or anything other than truth, progress, and wanting a forum thats beneficial to members.
Again the problem with some members is poor understanding of the information presented by both sides, and reality. So they think others must have the problem. There are a few of you. Luckily the minority. Now let the matter rest. If you want to go win with turbos advice, go do it.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 05, 02:22 PM 2018If you want to go win with turbos advice, go do it.
Exact!
But when comes time to play, somehow nobody want that to do, much better bla bla bla on forum.
Where is the logic ?
= FIRST EVER PROOF THAT WE ARE APPROACHING THE HG AND MAY EVEN END UP FLAT-BETTING AND WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no you do not.. :'(
Qaplah pataq :xd:
Shanks
The repeat is working well :thumbsup:
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 04, 06:50 AM 2018
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/07/04/temp_825361.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/2xYTZ)
Don’t you just love old posts; this is from KTF page 93. So as you can see it’s on MPR.
Now if you bet the numbers hitting above average; the R1’s, you’d make a nice profit at spin 30.
I have said better too wait till spin 20, then bet and here would be +72 units at spin 30.
Now just looking at this sheet for the averages
We see the usual 9/10; countback is marked showing the expected 15 non-hit in spins 11-40; you see 16 came +1 and at spin 60; 31 non-hits have hit, average shows 29 or 30
It was happening back in 2016 and it will still happen today and tomorrow and the day after and the day after
You need to see the trot, good luck some of you will need it
BBB
back in 2016 said better to start after spin 20
Quote from: nottophammer link=topic=18348f.msg204947#msg204947 date=1530828794
BBB
back in 2016 said better to start after spin 20
I would agree.
Passion you've got no idea. Think and do whatever you want. I'm not interested.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 05, 07:08 PM 2018
Passion you've got no idea. Think and do whatever you want. I'm not interested.
Steve, why don't you close the whole damn forum, this is goin' nowhere.
steve does what steve wants to do ........took my reply off real quick i guess i hurt the little boys feelings.......he sure can dish it out but when you have something to say and it hurts his little feelings its gone come on steve be a big boy take it like the rest of us ......you have proved nothing at all with all your expert help????.......and i mean nothing
Quote from: keepontryin on Jul 06, 03:28 AM 2018
steve does what steve wants to do ........took my reply off real quick i guess i hurt the little boys feelings.......he sure can dish it out but when you have something to say and it hurts his little feelings its gone come on steve be a big boy take it like the rest of us ......you have proved nothing at all with all your expert help????.......and i mean nothing
:thumbsup:
1. Why your post was removed is explained in clear red text. I know, you don't read.
2. I've said it before. I'm sensitive. Stop it.
3. I dont care if you didn't learn anything from me. Follow turbos advice. Its your money :thumbsup:
Perhaps grow up.
oh i am grown up..... see the thumbs up above my post.......maybe your the one to grow up ......so sorry for your sensitivity you sure dont show the same to others........read your posts to others........thats one thing ive learned from you......show no respect get no respect quite simple steven
thanks notto..........looks like you know whos got it right :)
You've got it backwards. A few people take offense when facts and verifiable information doesn't suit their arguments. All i was doing was sincerely trying to help. They become angry and blame the messenger, attack them personally. And you expect no response? Again, grow up. Just go and win some money.
And notto is probably just angry because after all his talk, and multiple accounts, he's still losing on mpr. I explained why his approaches don't work. I was respectful about it but like most people, he took it personally. Thats why he constantly criticizes it and me. Is it my fault?
You need to pull your head out and understand where the friction comes from. If you push me enough, I'll push back just like anyone else. Except i have more tolerance than most people.
And because you didn't read clear red text, and your post was removed, you are at fault but blame me. You attack me personally and expect hugs and kisses in return. Thats how loving relationships begin. Another example.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 06, 04:31 AM 2018
You've got it backwards. A few people take offense when facts and verifiable information doesn't suit their arguments. All i wad doing was sincerely trying to help. They become angry and blame the messenger, attack them personally. And you expect no response? Again, grow up. Just go and win some money.
Right back at yaaaaa :thumbsup:
Cry baby
Quote from: keepontryin on Jul 06, 03:28 AM 2018
steve does what steve wants to do ........took my reply off real quick i guess i hurt the little boys feelings.......he sure can dish it out but when you have something to say and it hurts his little feelings its gone come on steve be a big boy take it like the rest of us ......you have proved nothing at all with all your expert help????.......and i mean nothing
:thumbsup:
And denzie is another one. Doesnt agree with my logic, but doesnt test, and thinks i have the problem.
Most of it is friendly banter. But some people take it seriously.
He too should just take turbos advice and go win. Make a fool of me, casinos, logic and all. And when they can't do it, guess who they vent on.
Note the pattern, when people have a hissy fit at me or anyone trying to explain why an approach won't work, the messenger is attacked. Not the logic, not the message. Thats taking it personally like a child. It doesn't matter how gentle your explanations are. Not that they should be so gentle. Are we grown men here??
An adult considers the facts, verifies, learns, moves on and is happy they progressed. Childish members don't do that, which is why forums have so much bickering. Someone is correct, and someone takes it personally. Truth is not an opinion and should not make anyone have a fit or vendetta. Again grow up.
Quote from: Steve on Jul 06, 05:02 AM 2018Note the pattern, when people have a hissy fit at me or anyone trying to explain why an approach won't work, the messenger is attacked. Not the logic, not the message. Thats taking it personally like a child.
Well said Steve. And don't forget people; Turbo wasn't banned from the forum, he chose to leave. I like the guy but it smacks of making a martyr of himself. Now watch, I'll probably be attacked by the Turbo fan-boys for butt-kissing the owner of the forum, lol.
Steve,
I see you running in a loop and repeating your talk! Everyday !
When do want to stop commenting in this thread ? Why you attracting the attention to this thread ? I am starting to suspect your hidden motives!
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jul 06, 06:17 AM 2018
Steve,
I see you running in a loop and repeating your talk! Everyday !
When do want to stop commenting in this thread ? Why you attracting the attention to this thread ? I am starting to suspect your hidden motives!
Quote from: cht on Jul 04, 09:56 AM 2018
I am not referring to roulette.
If the reader reads your writings and still don't get it, they deserve whatever for themselves
Cht
Can you formulate one useful sentence ?
Try to be direct, say what you have and do not move around ..
Joe, turbo left because too much of his audience knew better. He left in a strop, a martyr as you said. We arent the only ones to see that. If he could have substantiated his claims, he would be laughing.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jul 06, 06:17 AM 2018Why you attracting the attention to this thread ? I am starting to suspect your hidden motives!
You think it's a conspiracy? And there are other people that probably think im desperately trying to bury this thread to hide the hg, not keep posting. Imagine the theories if i locked the thread. Who's right? Neither. Simply im responding to posts directed at me.
Im tired of this thread too. Big waste of time. But its a good example the annual guru and followers who havent tested.
If Turbo was genuine with a no lose system, then why didn't he just play online.....build up a bankroll....likely get banned real quickly too! (because his choice would be limited as a US player) and come back and report it with proof. Nobody could have really argued with that. I will bet my left testicle that there will be no book! :xd: I am not really ragging on Turbo either, I kind of like the guy, he has a sense of humour.
What I also don't really get is a lot of the hostility towards him. If you think about it, what did he really share?
All most people got out of it was wait for a repeat and use an aggressive progression.....throw in a 50 year old video for special effects, a few charts and a few of his followers tell us we are all stupid because we just don't get it! :xd:
Still though, all that's as old as the hills and why the special effort to gang up on Turbo. Some of you must be really bored counting your money! (not) :xd:
Don't worry Turbo.....at least you win the '2018 Special Guru' award. It was all worth it....eh!
Always remember....''empty vessels make the most sound''
Quote from: wiggy on Jul 06, 08:37 AM 2018
If Turbo was genuine with a no lose system, then why didn't he just play online.....build up a bankroll....likely get banned real quickly too! (because his choice would be limited as a US player) and come back and report it with proof. Nobody could have really argued with that. I will bet my left testicle that there will be no book! :xd: I am not really ragging on Turbo either, I kind of like the guy, he has a sense of humour.
What I also don't really get is a lot of the hostility towards him. If you think about it, what did he really share?
All most people got out of it was wait for a repeat and use an aggressive progression.....throw in a 50 year old video for special effects, a few charts and a few of his followers tell us we are all stupid because we just don't get it! :xd:
Still though, all that's as old as the hills and why the special effort to gang up on Turbo. Some of you must be really bored counting your money! (not) :xd:
Don't worry Turbo.....at least you win the '2018 Special Guru' award. It was all worth it....eh!
Always remember....''empty vessels make the most sound''
Excellent question. :thumbsup:
To
YOU, what did TG really share ?
YOUR answer is relevant to
YOU and
YOU alone.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jul 06, 06:57 AM 2018
Cht
Can you formulate one useful sentence ?
Try to be direct, say what you have and do not move around ..
Initially I don't want to respond, but why not.
If you found what I wrote to be not useful
Have it not occurred to you that it was not meant for your consumption ?
Cht, I get what you are saying. The whole conversation got me thinking which isn't a bad thing and just based on some stuff that Steve and The General said made me look in a few directions which I hadn't really thought about before. My post above was mainly why so much hostility around a well known path. It stifled any productive conversation.....but I also reckon Turbo could have thrown out a bit more as well just to keep things going in the right direction. Anyway, all water under the bridge now I suppose.
cheers
Quote from: cht on Jul 06, 09:21 AM 2018
Initially I don't want to respond, but why not.
If you found what I wrote to be not useful
Have it not occurred to you that it was not meant for your consumption ?
Hey you !!!
Stand up when you talk to me !
Dont play the clever! You are too small for that !
Should i call you now „the puppet“ of turbo?
Would that works good for you ?
Turbo is clearly a hoax.
He has been called out numerous times by Bago and Caleb on gamblingforums.
He is too weak to stand up and prove he is a genuine winner. You can see it's all crumbling down.
I originally came to this forum awhile ago as I wanted to concur roulette. As a gambler, I started in sport betting. Everyone said I couldn't make it as a professional gambler, not to give up my day job, etc, etc. I heard it all. I knew nothing about sports, I still don't follow it closely. I never wanted to get emotionally attached to any teams, I just worked the numbers. Lo and behold, I proved them all wrong. Now my strongest critics, work with me in handicapping the plays using information that I taught them. Now they say I should go after the markets. Markets are proven, thousands have made money with markets. I wanted a larger challenge. They said roulette can't be beaten, so that's what I wanted to beat. I came here looking on forums for ideas of where to start. I read every post in every section. I copied other's ideas, failed. I came up with my own twists had minimal success. The conclusion I came to is that as a system player, repeats are where the holy grail lies. Professed math gurus and AP players said it couldn't be done. Hundreds of years of trying to calculate a system that wins is impossible. I tried repeats, I failed. I tried all the ways that I have seen posted, I failed. I then saw Turbo's postings. All of my failed attempts, as I read his posts, i clicked in the back of my mind, ok, that's where I went wrong and yes I can apply that to this and put that to that. It finally all clicked together in my head, funnily enough as I was waiting at a red light in my car and the vehicle in front of me had Turbo badge on it. I went home, applied what I figured out, it worked beautifully. I was even able to recreate similar charts with an aggressive progression. I then modified it to what I currently play.
To all the naysayers, let's call you troglodytes, here is a chart I did that took just over an hour. I did it on RS, as RX charts are easy to manipulate. I've been playing real money online and the results are similar. It works flatbet, although it's a much longer grind. Running the numbers that I play for real money I'm sitting at a 15.89% win rate, compared to the house edge of -2.7%, No computers, no Advantage play, pure system play. That's for over 24000 spins. Real Money.
Bankroll is 1000 units. Units are $10 , Largest drawdown I've had was 800 units with this system. Steve will say no casino has limits for that. I posted my casino payout, single number is Minimum$2, maximum $800. Total bet for table can't exceed $100000. I play for just over an hour do, have been doing so for awhile now. You can do the math.
To all that believe Turbo, let's call you geniuses, yup, Turbo was correct and was harassed for it and basically run off because the troglodytes couldn't figure it out and Turbo wasn't spilling enough beans. Thank you again Turbo, even if you don't see this, others may and they will know they can find their own way too.
Quote from: Nimo on Jul 06, 05:14 PM 2018
I originally came to this forum awhile ago as I wanted to concur roulette. As a gambler, I started in sport betting. Everyone said I couldn't make it as a professional gambler, not to give up my day job, etc, etc. I heard it all. I knew nothing about sports, I still don't follow it closely. I never wanted to get emotionally attached to any teams, I just worked the numbers. Lo and behold, I proved them all wrong. Now my strongest critics, work with me in handicapping the plays using information that I taught them. Now they say I should go after the markets. Markets are proven, thousands have made money with markets. I wanted a larger challenge. They said roulette can't be beaten, so that's what I wanted to beat. I came here looking on forums for ideas of where to start. I read every post in every section. I copied other's ideas, failed. I came up with my own twists had minimal success. The conclusion I came to is that as a system player, repeats are where the holy grail lies. Professed math gurus and AP players said it couldn't be done. Hundreds of years of trying to calculate a system that wins is impossible. I tried repeats, I failed. I tried all the ways that I have seen posted, I failed. I then saw Turbo's postings. All of my failed attempts, as I read his posts, i clicked in the back of my mind, ok, that's where I went wrong and yes I can apply that to this and put that to that. It finally all clicked together in my head, funnily enough as I was waiting at a red light in my car and the vehicle in front of me had Turbo badge on it. I went home, applied what I figured out, it worked beautifully. I was even able to recreate similar charts with an aggressive progression. I then modified it to what I currently play.
To all the naysayers, let's call you troglodytes, here is a chart I did that took just over an hour. I did it on RS, as RX charts are easy to manipulate. I've been playing real money online and the results are similar. It works flatbet, although it's a much longer grind. Running the numbers that I play for real money I'm sitting at a 15.89% win rate, compared to the house edge of -2.7%, No computers, no Advantage play, pure system play. That's for over 24000 spins. Real Money.
Bankroll is 1000 units. Units are $10 , Largest drawdown I've had was 800 units with this system. Steve will say no casino has limits for that. I posted my casino payout, single number is Minimum$2, maximum $800. Total bet for table can't exceed $100000. I play for just over an hour do, have been doing so for awhile now. You can do the math.
To all that believe Turbo, let's call you geniuses, yup, Turbo was correct and was harassed for it and basically run off because the troglodytes couldn't figure it out and Turbo wasn't spilling enough beans. Thank you again Turbo, even if you don't see this, others may and they will know they can find their own way too.
Nimo,
keep it short and sweet! write down 1. 2. 3 headlines/points how you play and what progression you using.
i will perform an extended test over few thousands spin and get back to you with a better and detailed result
ok?
Quote from: Nimo on Jul 06, 05:14 PM 2018
I originally came to this forum awhile ago as I wanted to concur roulette. As a gambler, I started in sport betting. Everyone said I couldn't make it as a professional gambler, not to give up my day job, etc, etc. I heard it all. I knew nothing about sports, I still don't follow it closely. I never wanted to get emotionally attached to any teams, I just worked the numbers. Lo and behold, I proved them all wrong. Now my strongest critics, work with me in handicapping the plays using information that I taught them. Now they say I should go after the markets. Markets are proven, thousands have made money with markets. I wanted a larger challenge. They said roulette can't be beaten, so that's what I wanted to beat. I came here looking on forums for ideas of where to start. I read every post in every section. I copied other's ideas, failed. I came up with my own twists had minimal success. The conclusion I came to is that as a system player, repeats are where the holy grail lies. Professed math gurus and AP players said it couldn't be done. Hundreds of years of trying to calculate a system that wins is impossible. I tried repeats, I failed. I tried all the ways that I have seen posted, I failed. I then saw Turbo's postings. All of my failed attempts, as I read his posts, i clicked in the back of my mind, ok, that's where I went wrong and yes I can apply that to this and put that to that. It finally all clicked together in my head, funnily enough as I was waiting at a red light in my car and the vehicle in front of me had Turbo badge on it. I went home, applied what I figured out, it worked beautifully. I was even able to recreate similar charts with an aggressive progression. I then modified it to what I currently play.
To all the naysayers, let's call you troglodytes, here is a chart I did that took just over an hour. I did it on RS, as RX charts are easy to manipulate. I've been playing real money online and the results are similar. It works flatbet, although it's a much longer grind. Running the numbers that I play for real money I'm sitting at a 15.89% win rate, compared to the house edge of -2.7%, No computers, no Advantage play, pure system play. That's for over 24000 spins. Real Money.
Bankroll is 1000 units. Units are $10 , Largest drawdown I've had was 800 units with this system. Steve will say no casino has limits for that. I posted my casino payout, single number is Minimum$2, maximum $800. Total bet for table can't exceed $100000. I play for just over an hour do, have been doing so for awhile now. You can do the math.
To all that believe Turbo, let's call you geniuses, yup, Turbo was correct and was harassed for it and basically run off because the troglodytes couldn't figure it out and Turbo wasn't spilling enough beans. Thank you again Turbo, even if you don't see this, others may and they will know they can find their own way too.
It works flatbet.Let me add to your testimonial, same like mine had I written it.
It works with both live dealer and rng.
The only thing I disagree is we build upon TG's ideas. TG, the pioneer, is the true genius.
Quote from: cht on Jul 06, 05:32 PM 2018
It works flatbet.
Let me add to your testimonial, same like mine had I written it.
It works with live dealer and rng.
yes it worksssssssssssssss and flatbet but only in your Dreams!
come on, be strong and write down a test scenario and we will all test it ... ok?
Quote from: Nimo on Jul 06, 05:14 PM 2018
To all the naysayers, let's call you troglodytes, here is a chart I did that took just over an hour. I did it on RS, as RX charts are easy to manipulate. I've been playing real money online and the results are similar.
Not a naysayer, am a newbie to the board and always open to new ideas. The only question I have is what if that draw down at spin 207 had happened in the first 50 spins? What would the play have been?
QuoteNimo,
keep it short and sweet! write down 1. 2. 3 headlines/points how you play and what progression you using.
i will perform an extended test over few thousands spin and get back to you with a better and detailed result
what with your math skill.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Only 500 spins? So what. ::)
Looks like random variance.
Passion,
Just curious, why do you test for so few spins? ::)
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Jul 06, 05:29 PM 2018Nimo,
keep it short and sweet! write down 1. 2. 3 headlines/points how you play and what progression you using.
i will perform an extended test over few thousands spin and get back to you with a better and detailed result
ok?
Play is repeaters, progression is dynamic. Large real money profit over thousands of spins already tested and I doubt there are many that keep as meticulous detailed results as I do.
Quote from: cht on Jul 06, 05:32 PM 2018
It works flatbet.
Let me add to your testimonial, same like mine had I written it.
It works with both live dealer and rng.
The only thing I disagree is we build upon TG's ideas. TG, the pioneer, is the true genius.
I don't disagree at all, if it wasn't for Turbo's postings, I would still be betting EC or dozens and losing.
Quote from: Nimo on Jul 06, 10:03 PM 2018
I don't disagree at all, if it wasn't for Turbo's postings, I would still be betting EC or dozens and losing.
Why because he said something really really new and original, like, "Hey bet on hot numbers instead of cold ones?" LOL ::)
Quote from: The General on Jul 06, 10:17 PM 2018
Why because he said something really really new and original, like, "Hey bet on hot numbers instead of cold ones?" LOL ::)
Yes, among other things. There is one post of Turbo's in particular that he posted of all his posts that had major significance in roulette play that made things coalesce, but in your absurd hurry to discredit him, you probably skimmed what he said, not comprehending it on your way to find a gif to post.
Quote from: Nimo on Jul 06, 11:06 PM 2018
Yes, among other things. There is one post of Turbo's in particular that he posted of all his posts that had major significance in roulette play that made things coalesce, but in your absurd hurry to discredit him, you probably skimmed what he said, not comprehending it on your way to find a gif to post.
Just curious, what is it about his "system" is it that you find so ground breaking, and novel? If you can be specific.
Quote from: The General on Jul 06, 11:21 PM 2018
Just curious, what is it about his "system" is it that you find so ground breaking, and novel? If you can be specific.
Valid question deserves a proper response.
TG's method is based on the characteristic of frequency distribution.
Quote from: cht on Jul 06, 11:41 PM 2018
Valid question deserves a proper response.
TG's method is based on the characteristic of frequency distribution.
In other words, hot numbers. LOL!!! ::)
“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.â€
I'm guessing that's all you could come up with huh? ::)
Quote from: The General on Jul 06, 11:44 PM 2018
In other words, hot numbers. LOL!!! ::)
“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.â€
I'm guessing that's all you could come up with huh? ::)
You should be smart enough to realise that that's all I'm willing to post on forum.
Quote from: cht on Jul 06, 11:48 PM 2018
You should be smart enough to realise that that's all I'm willing to post on forum.
I'm smart enough to know that you don't know much about basic probability and roulette.
Quote from: The General on Jul 07, 12:03 AM 2018
I'm smart enough to know that you don't know much about basic probability and roulette.
I responded to your question not because I want to be right.
There are a number of members who PMed me to point them in the right direction.
And that's what I do for them.
To those who PMed me - Read also the posts of scarface, Nimo
Steve and caleb can have the last say.
Quote from: cht on Jul 07, 12:06 AM 2018
I responded to your question not because I want to be right.
There are a number of members who PMed me to point them in the right direction.
And that's what I do.
You can have the last say.
To those who PMed me - Read also the posts of scarface, Nimo
Anyone that PMs you is playing the secret squirrel game and is wasting their time. ::)
;D
The sucker is used to keep sucking. Maestro
QuotePassion,
Just curious, why do you test for so few spins? ::)
because later can sink down....
QuoteThe sucker is used to keep sucking. Maestro
:twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: The General on Jul 07, 12:03 AM 2018
I'm smart enough to know that you don't know much about basic probability and roulette.
General seems like you don't understand basic probability too well. I've said it many times, random is very predictable. You suggest to others to test more spins. Why don't you try it? Test 108 spins (3 rounds of 36). Run this test over and over as many times as you think is significant enough....how many times were there an equal distribution of repeaters vs How many times were there 1 or 2 numbers that jumped ahead by a few hits?
Probability is WHY repeaters win. Probability tells us there will be an average ratio of 9 to1 hits between hottest and coldest number.
Scarface,
I'm not sure as to why you're still rambling on about law of the third/binomial distribution and it would appear that you don't know either.
Don't worry though, Turbo will rise in three days.
Quote from: The General on Jul 07, 12:55 PM 2018
Scarface,
I'm not sure as to why you're still rambling on about law of the third/binomial distribution and it would appear that you don't know either.
Because I believe there is hope for you, General. I'm not giving up on you ;D
Scar,
Probability doesn't tell you which numbers are more likely to hit on the next spin, the next series of spins, or in the long run. Understand?
Does for me. Also, tells me what not to bet. :thumbsup:
All that mumbo jumbo bull shit, point to right direction bullshit, holy grail, secret gypsy squirrel game crap.
All the talk, post your damn winnings instead of stupid graphs of RX or parx or any other shit.
Same shit different day, all the frigging false claims, sick of it.
Quote from: Scarface on Jul 07, 03:39 PM 2018
Does for me. Also, tells me what not to bet. :thumbsup:
Top man :thumbsup:
If you listen to the general and sidekick Steve, don’t read any further.
Now Turbo should get you thinking. A game or lets quote a math term; a cycle of 37 #’s, does not produce 37 unique, if you believe this is going to happen then there’s only one method you need to know and that is KTF; it’s betting for the unique too hit. Good that’s out the way.
Now I can’t believe you’re still reading, but as you’re still with me, this is about repeat.
So try this one!
Use Turbos 1,5,25, but how you say, well wait for R1, when this repeat happens you’ll start to bet that 1;R1 with 1 unit, as more R1’s appear you still bet with 1 unit, but this is the part that is different, you will only bet units of 1’s until 36 units is spent, once 36 units have been used you will now bet the appeared R1’s with 5 unit chips, you’ll bet all R1’s until 180 units has been used, now if you’ve spent the 180 units, you will bet all R1’s with 25 unit chips. If still no win then if bankroll stands it use 50 units.
Now some suggestions, I find it better to wait till 20 spins, as my study shows it’s better to wait, forget all about the general saying why wait, but you do it your way not the general or Steve’s way.
I’ve usually had a win before the need to bet 8 or more R1’s; if you decide to wait until spin 20, and say 4 R1’s are showing before 20th spin, I usually start to bet the above way, but you decide, I’m only suggesting to use the 1,5,25 progression as above, if you find another way so be it.
Personally I just watch how the game unfolds, dare I say the word “Trot†of the 37 or in my case 40 or 60 spins, betting on either 0x’s or 1x’s as the early part of the game is mainly 0x’s V 1x’s as the spins go by its 0x’s V 1x’s+>1x’s or 0x’s+1x’s V >1x
But remember Steve’s always telling you its 1/37 Yeah we get it Steve in that case might as well not play the game of chance called roulette, oh wait get one of Steve’s computers.
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Every day the 15 in spins 11-40 and 29 at spin 60, even using generals suggestion use Random.org, thanks oh great one.
Winner,winner chicken dinner on you general
The 1,5,25
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Turbo and Co., all you guys trying so hard.. I get into top 3 on mpr with ease. Put the money where your mouth is hey.
Excuse me no. 2
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Every day the 15 in spins 11-40 and 29 at spin 60, even using generals suggestion use Random.org, thanks oh great one.
Winner,winner chicken dinner on you general
The 1,5,25
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Notto,
It looks like you lost. At spin 60 didn't you lose 135 units? ::)
or
Did you happen to quit at spin 57 and lose 297 units? ::)
No dimlo you'd stop on spin 39 where KTF is shown.
The repeat wins as well, as you know as Turbo has shown you.
But if you and sidekick insist 37 in 37 KTF all the way
Quote from: nottophammer on Jul 07, 08:45 PM 2018
No dimlo you'd stop on spin 39 where KTF is shown.
The repeat wins as well, as you know as Turbo has shown you.
But if you and sidekick insist 37 in 37 KTF all the way
Good thing you waited one more spin because you'd of lost 26 units on spin 36. ::)
Or if you'd quit on spin 42 then you'd have lost 111 units. ::)
Just curious, weren't you usually quitting on spin 16? If so then you'd have lost 126 units. ::)
I suppose it's a good thing that you can look forward in time to see when the best time to quit is huh? :xd:
No. 1
So what. you got lucky and made it to the top with a lousy 600 spins under your belt.
Now what happens? Let me guess, you turn into a big chicken and don't play anymore, just like the next couple players at the top.
LOL!
Hahaha I smell envy and bullshit. You sit on mpr day and night and can't even get into the top 3, so stop whining like a little girl who dropped her bloody lollipop.
Man up and beat me or shut up.
Oh I forgot to mention, this is not the first time I'm in the top 3, so I must be very lucky. Chaps like maestro (mpr addict) can't even get in top 5 and how many years did he try huh? Don't give me lucky or variance is on my side because the top dogs are always the top dogs. Like octopod-8.
Guys you somehow must remember few things :
1. If you are a total winner ( as TG say ) - you have no reason go to forums and cry about that only, that others will knew how smart you are. Play even if it is an advantage it is not as walk to the bank and taking money, as much as you want - that is still a hard job. So writing in forums can have only a few reasons and they all are in getting information direction. ( in TG post that is very hard detect ).
2. To know your system is positive or not positive today are super simple - are very good programs /simulators, where we can enter all that what we will do in play and program will calculate all that what will be in millions spins in few seconds. As I know TG that not done...
QuoteOh I forgot to mention, this is not the first time I'm in the top 3, so I must be very lucky. Chaps like maestro (mpr addict) can't even get in top 5 and how many years did he try huh? Don't give me lucky or variance is on my side because the top dogs are always the top dogs
i see another one is concerned about me.....thanks im just fine you keep winning mpr i will keep wining cash...
thanks for your attention :xd:
oh i forgot ....i am <mpr addict> as i have lots of free time and do not have to go to work much
song for you enjoy
Come on mate don't bullshit on me about you winning cash I've spoken to your sometime ago you probably forgot yourself. You've said you hardly play for real and if u do you play for small bucks and pennies. Don't go act all hardcore because other forum guys are looking.
No need to peac*** yourself around here, if u win in real you can win on mpr.
do not know if i spoke to you or not and yes i play no matter for what kind of cash big or smalll....this is what it is and if you do not like the answear you better f*** off :twisted:
i think i did try my best to be polite :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
a and one more thing...why MPR would be best platform to prove something
Hey maestro
Do you believe turbo has the HG?
You don't have to be polite, I am not here to make friends with you. I just point out the fact that you try hard on MPR, not saying there is anything wrong with that.
No turbo doesn't have the HG, his behavior says all, why don't people just read properly and use some common sense. Read the other forums by TheLaw about Steve and TG. It doesn't get any more transparent than that.
Quote
Hey maestro
Do you believe turbo has the HG?
yes i did vote yes and wrote what i voted and Steve erased it....
and i think is better to believe than not...nothing to lose is it not
QuoteI just point out the fact that you try hard on MPR
yes i did play decent amount of spins but did not try anything
Passionruleta,
I'll give you this, you need to bet more than 9 numbers but less than 18 numbers.
If you play long enough you will bust, if you keep betting 6 till 10 numbers. The way you are playing you are gambling and you need to make choices with Vaddi's so called Balance. You need to bet more in order to have balance, and you never have to chose. Vaddi's bet is mechanical, every spin it shows you where to bet.
Quote from: maestro on Jul 08, 12:36 PM 2018yes i did vote yes and wrote what i voted and Steve erased it....
then simply and old question why you write here instead of making money in casino with his HG ????
Quotethen simply and old question why you write here instead of making money in casino with his HG ????
and even more simple answear...because i do not know how he plays
Quote from: maestro on Jul 08, 01:25 PM 2018and even more simple answear...because i do not know how he plays
Then why you not asked?
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Jul 08, 01:08 PM 2018why you write here instead of making money in casino with his HG
This question seems to come up a lot, but it's really dumb. If you have the HG, why do anything other than spend all your time in the casino making millions?
Why waste time eating if you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time having a shower if you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time with your wife/girlfriend if you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time having kids when you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time going to the movies when you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time visiting friends when you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time <insert anything other than playing roulette here> when you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Well maybe because there's more to life than making money, that's why. And what good is money if all your time is spent making more of it? And the General spends a lot of time posting here too. Why, when he could be at the casino?
Why are you posting? Is it because you can't win playing roulette? ;-)
QuoteThen why you not asked?
because i do not need to :lol:
Quote from: Joe on Jul 08, 01:32 PM 2018Why are you posting? Is it because you can't win playing roulette? ;-)
Ok if you are so clever, that cant understand elementary things I will say to you other - you go in the street and see 100 dollars.
But you think why waste time with taking that 100 dollars from the ground, better I will do something other.
That is what you just writed :)
Quote from: maestro on Jul 08, 01:49 PM 2018because i do not need to :lol:
of course you need only bla bla bla in forum.....
Quote from: Joe on Jul 08, 01:32 PM 2018
This question seems to come up a lot, but it's really dumb. If you have the HG, why do anything other than spend all your time in the casino making millions?
Why waste time eating if you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time having a shower if you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time with your wife/girlfriend if you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time having kids when you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time going to the movies when you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time visiting friends when you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Why waste time <insert anything other than playing roulette here> when you could spend all your time making money at the casino?
Well maybe because there's more to life than making money, that's why. And what good is money if all your time is spent making more of it? And the General spends a lot of time posting here too. Why, when he could be at the casino?
Why are you posting? Is it because you can't win playing roulette? ;-)
LOL and bravo!
Both men and women have instincts, bebediktus' instinct is saying that Maestro is not capable of winning in real life or on mpr in this case. It's not an attack it's what he THINKS, if it's not true then you shouldn't be too bothered by it. Think again.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 08, 02:17 PM 2018
Both men and women have instincts, bebediktus' instinct is saying that Maestro is not capable of winning in real life or on mpr in this case. It's not an attack it's what he THINKS, if it's not true then you shouldn't be too bothered by it. Think again.
Maestro is a demonstration of the long term. He tries and tries but he can't win or lose at a rate that exceeds the house edge. He's played so many spins there that he will never break even again. Hence his nickname, "Long Term."
Guys, say you play good roulette and want, that many peoples will know that. You come to the forum and say about your achievements.
But, unfortunately almost all not believe your words.
What to do in such case?
1. Write rules of the system and ask, that these who have good simulators will run it on millions of spins and will say results. Possible simply film screen in program work in slow motion.
2. You do not want open rules for others, ( here, of course, can be reasons ). So here I suggested my help - I can simply translate through skype video of spins and you simply before say where you bet. that, of course, we can do on simulator, only player see that numbers were really from roulette. Then is possible to calculate players real edge against casino - for that is enough 100 or so spins...
QuoteMaestro is a demonstration of the long term. He tries and tries but he can't win or lose at a rate that exceeds the house edge. He's played so many spins there that he will never break even again. Hence his nickname, "Long Term."
true..big loser...i cannot win..now when is all clear everyone can get back to what they do best..
good luck to you all :thumbsup:
There is no need to cyberbully Maestro. Have an another sip of that fine whisky you have, tomorrow is an another day.
But seriously, who gives a shit on forum fame. You think you get a star on hollywood blvd. ? Come on.
Turbo, you need to tell the truth, that is that you can't beat roulette, simple as that. You are not more clever than Albert.
Don't give people false hope.
just a song for cyberbullies...enjoy
Quoteof course you need only bla bla bla in forum.....
better than losing at roulette...lol
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of course you need only bla bla bla in forum.....
better than losing at roulette...lol
100% better
Click the link to see maestro throwing junscissorhands out of the forum.
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Funny man and a keyboard warrior, see who throws who out when you come to Holland. 1.93 and gym junk here. So we'll see.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 09, 11:56 AM 2018
Funny man and a keyboard warrior, see who throws who out when you come to Holland. 1.93 and gym junk here. So we'll see.[/equote]
:xd: and I just thought you were a retard but it must be the steroids messing with your head :xd:
Does EVERYBODY use steroids when they do strength training? Either you are an idiot or you live in the UK. Since 1 out of 3 use steroids there, but I think you're just an idiot, just like your nickname a Zero.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 09, 11:56 AM 2018
Funny man and a keyboard warrior, see who throws who out when you come to Holland. 1.93 and gym junk here. So we'll see.
Where in Holland would that be ?
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 08, 12:47 PM 2018
Passionruleta,
I'll give you this, you need to bet more than 9 numbers but less than 18 numbers.
If you play long enough you will bust, if you keep betting 6 till 10 numbers. The way you are playing you are gambling and you need to make choices with Vaddi's so called Balance. You need to bet more in order to have balance, and you never have to chose. Vaddi's bet is mechanical, every spin it shows you where to bet.
Is it with "La bomba " update from Vaddi?
Denzie, in Haarlem close to Amsterdam.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 09, 06:05 PM 2018
Denzie, in Haarlem close to Amsterdam.
Who is there ? Turbo is there ?
No turbo is on Parx trying to win virtual money.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 10, 12:51 PM 2018
No turbo is on Parx trying to win virtual money.
turbo is trying to catch the high virtual ball!
I played a few days in my free time.
The assumptions were that I started to play repeaters but only in the sector of first 3 streets, that is numbers 1-9, just when one of these numbers repeated, I started to play with positive progression 1-3-9.
I ended up always when the first number reached 9 units.
I did not use stoploss
I played 60 sessions about 55 sessions, I was 3500 units forward, but 5 last session sessions had 2 fatal sessions one -1400 second-1560.
What almost destroyed the wins.
I played without stoploss, to see how fatal sessions can be.
By reducing the Sector, the numbers were much less, I played on the RS, so playing on the wheel live, the won sessions can be pulled longer.
I still do not think that it can stay in longrun, but still add stoploss to 1000 units, we can really have a good time.
Quote from: junscissorhands on Jul 10, 12:51 PM 2018
No turbo is on Parx trying to win virtual money.
Yes, he's trying to win enough to buy a virtual car. Then his next move is to try and save up enough to buy a virtual house and a pretend wife! :twisted:
Quote from: The General on Jul 21, 04:29 PM 2018
Yes, he's trying to win enough to buy a virtual car. Then his next move is to try and save up enough to buy a virtual house and a pretend wife! :twisted:
Yet you cant do the same! Funny isnt it ? Stop big talking and show what you can.
Seriously.....Go to the kids store called parx and do better.... I dare you! Say when you start and i'll start too.... common big boy.........enough words....action now . Steve and his big mouth can join too . Oooh and Ken....you too....nathan .... all the big talkers.... set a date and lets do this...
Lets see whos full of it... start august 1th ? End august 31 ?
Quote from: denzie on Jul 21, 04:35 PM 2018
Yet you cant do the same! Funny isnt it ? Stop big talking and show what you can.
I don't play virtual pretend games like he does. I play the real deal. I've put forth a fair challenge to Turbo.
The challenge is simple and can take place on the east coast of the US.
In the challenge I will win three times as much as Turbo does. I will basically produce at least a five standard deviation win.I prefer to play for as many spins as possible, but the number of spins is negotiable provided that it's more than at least a couple thousand spins.
I can play on either a biased wheel or I can play vb on a random wheel.
No devices, no computers.
Turbo is welcome to wear a hat with tinfoil under it so that we can't steal his system via brain waves. :twisted:
By the way, I already know his system.
Quote from: denzie on Jul 21, 04:39 PM 2018
Seriously.....Go to the kids store called parx and do better.... I dare you! Say when you start and i'll start too.... common big boy.........enough words....action now . Steve and his big mouth can join too . Oooh and Ken....you too....nathan .... all the big talkers.... set a date and lets do this...
Lets see whos full of it... start august 1th ? End august 31 ?
You know the slot players win more than he does. I wonder why that is? Perhaps he should learn their slot systems. :twisted:
Turbo can't win on MPR. I wonder why that is?
Quote from: The General on Jul 21, 04:40 PM 2018
I don't play virtual pretend games like he does. I play the real deal. I've put forth a fair challenge to Turbo.
The challenge is simple and can take place on the east coast of the US.
In the challenge I will win three times as much as Turbo does. I will basically produce at least a five standard deviation win.
I prefer to play for as many spins as possible, but the number of spins is negotiable provided that it's more than at least a couple thousand spins.
I can play on either a biased wheel or I can play vb on a random wheel. No devices, no computers.
Turbo is welcome to wear a hat with tinfoil under it so that we can't steal his system via brain waves. :twisted:
By the way, I already know his system.
Nice reply but....Do you accept big boy?
I saw at Gf something about Ken...
If one make a good profit it doesnt matter who made most....Its actually not about who win the most....Its about who win nicely and not lose
Quote from: denzie on Jul 21, 04:43 PM 2018
Nice reply but....Do you accept big boy?
I'm the one that put forth the challenge.
Turbo's the one that won't accept it.
I don't have much time for pretend money games either.
Again if someone wants to build a bot for me, which plays for me, i can easily out-rank anyone on parx. The math is simple. Read my earlier explanations.
Denzie if you don't get the whole thing and think repeaters are the hg, just go win. Please. Like your signature. Bet on what's hot. The real world is no match for your theories :thumbsup:
Ok all i read is.....pok pok pok pok chicken. No problemo big boys :lol:
Denzie, if i get #1 on both RS and Parx with roulette, do you agree to pay me US$5000 for my time?
Go on. Put your money where you mouth is.
... or is it bok bok?
Quote from: Steve on Jul 22, 03:08 AM 2018
Go on. Put your money where you mouth is.
If you play without bot.... deal !
Why should a bot concern you? Its a pathetic excuse.
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You know all a bot does is save time. It does not make a bad system a good system.
I cant beat a bot. :yawn:
Will you be competing with me then?
I guess that means we both have the holy grail. How strange. Or maybe you really do understand the math of parx and rs, and do understand what ive been saying. That means youre even more full of shit than i thought.
The cracks are opening up now :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Jul 22, 03:49 AM 2018
Will you be competing with me then?
I guess that means we both have the holy grail. How strange. Or maybe you really do understand the math of parx and rs, and do understand what ive been saying. That means youre even more full of shit than i thought.
The cracks are opening up now :thumbsup:
I never said i didn't understand the math
But actually would be awesome to sit down and play at the casino (without computers )
Quote from: denzie on Jul 22, 04:02 AM 2018I never said i didn't understand the math
Ok so you do understand it. Yet you supported turbos testing with rigged and unrealistic math. Like i said, it's now clear you're more full of shit than i thought.
Quote from: denzie on Jul 22, 04:04 AM 2018
But actually would be awesome to sit down and play at the casino (without computers )
I don't need computers to win. They are just my preferred method, because they're far quicker and more profitable than anything else. Ive been working with non-computer methods for over 20 years. Literally working with roulette almost every day.
I wonder how many others really do understand why turbos testing is a joke... yet they acted like he had the hg.
Or maybe denzie you didnt understand before, but now you do.
Either way, youve fallen on your face here.
I aint fallen... the math doesnt change the fact i can win there or any real table. You just think you know me. If you must know...yes I play repeaters only. But i need my eyes for that...as i said before....and i use the foolproof progression per cycle. Never ever passed 4th level .... your a master with words we all know that. And sure i like to have some fun here.... :love:
Quote from: denzie on Jul 22, 04:24 AM 2018I aint fallen
Not so sure about that.
Quote from: denzie on Jul 22, 04:24 AM 2018the math doesnt change the fact i can win there or any real table.
The math is... 1 in 37, repeaters, hot, cold numbers or whatever. Simple testing proves it. No doubt. Its as old as gambling itself. All you have is random bet selection and random bet size. And delusion.
Quote from: denzie on Jul 22, 04:24 AM 2018You just think you know me.
Well enough to recognize your contradictions, inexperience, and you being full of shit.
Quote from: denzie on Jul 22, 04:24 AM 2018yes I play repeaters only
Repeaters means random. Anyone with a brain and experience knows that. Not up for debate. Anyone can do the proper testing.
Quote from: denzie on Jul 22, 04:24 AM 2018your a master with words we all know that.
Anyone who tells the truth seems like a master of words. And its "you're". If you return to school, take both English and math.
Quote from: denzie on Jul 22, 04:24 AM 2018And sure i like to have some fun here....
You mean troll. Grow up denzie. You've made enough of an ass of yourself.
I think we must talk in more simple words.
So what say denzie ? Say he say, that he plays roulette better than Steve. So is that different from such - he says that he play better in chess.
If he will say such - solution is very simply - they play chess few games and after that all becomes clear.
In roulette all is almost the same with one difference - we not play against each other, but we play against some combination dealer/wheel. And in roulette is not so much important who play better, - important fact can beat concrete wheel or not.
Denzie, you can show, that you can stabily guess winning numbers better, than mathematics say? If can, then simply do it and all questions will be answered.
I can help. You can play against mine wheel through skype translation and if you will hit more, than math says -we can run your results through chi-square test and will get the answer if your win is random, or not - all is very simple....
Steve ... Yes repeaters doenst mean much. Yet i not lose 1â,¬ on # that never showed up. And dont throw in my english grammar...we can talk Dutch too. Or french ? Oooh they didn't teach you that in school ? <---- grow up!
And trolling.... only you steveypoo :love: And it worked coz you dont have time for parx or whatever but still toke the time for reply every time .
Have a great sunny sunday. Apero time for me.... picon vin blanc :thumbsup:
Just dribble as usual denzie
Quote from: Steve on Jul 22, 06:45 AM 2018
Just dribble as usual denzie
Great response. You rock :thumbsup:
Anyway i think you're you're you're full of shit too. But whatever...Thats my opinion. Nobody cares . Its just a forum.... i'll leave you with the last word...it will make you sleep better.... Now i had a great day....And i'll finish it with a nice calvados... the canvas is yours Sir :girl_to:
Hi TG - can you hold off publishing yeah book/memoirs for now - wait till we all become a bit older .......a little bit ;)
- interesting material you have shared n kudos to you for sharing :thumbsup:
- the katalyst is in the way we approach the game - have been playing repeaters/hot # for 20 odd years
To the minority or majority on here - depends who’s looking at what and how - “all science is best guessâ€
Haha! - No! - am not affiliated with anyone on here
GoodLuck - but then again is it all luck
I did not know where to put it.
Today I ran into topic of MR J on R30
Where we play longest sleepr after waking up for 100 step progresion
I sacrificed 4 hours for tests and played 90 sessions on RX
It all looked good, but the more I played the results where equel , after 90 sessions were 63 units forward,
which showed that we could be in some degree over house edge but in a minimal degree, not cost-effective in relation to the time allocated.
For exemple, 100 steps progression costs 317 units and in these 90 sessions it lost 5 times.
I want to make it clear, even if I use a RNG and we play 12-hour game, I do not think we'll be happy with the profits.
I played 90 sessions, the shortest were over 100 spins, the longest more than 400 spins, if you make calculations, the time may not be adequate for the game.
And I think that in a long run the strategy may not keep up, because the bankroll did not grow only with time, it ran to the zero border.
ozon I saw that and thought maybe I'd play around with it when time permitted, it honestly looked like it would produce just EV results but I never discard anything out of hand.
Thanks for providing your results.
Mr J.
Whole strategy I tested on RX, on RNG in built in this program.
This is fair RNG, because it is not manipulated by casinos.
I also remember that Victor had a similar game concept, but he probably tried to play only 36 spins after waking up a sleeper, not using progression.
During today's tests, I also noticed that most of the income came from the first 36 spins, but it requires tests, but I think these were done and I do not know if they showed profit.
It seems to me that the whole concept is able to minimize the house edge, but I do not know whether to beat in the long run
SEAGULL and other who know. +774; needed a break from Random.org
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So 5000 Br was okay.
Now 30 non-hit in 44 spins seems high, but i've seen 36 hit in 60 spins using random.org
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Remember the wise generals words short term curve fitting
Johnoholic you were on mpr when the above numbers played
Lol I was wandering what you are trying to said in mpr chat previously, now I know.
John and BBB
like most on here never got to Turbo's way, found other ways
Yes 36*1,5,25,50
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Unlike Taotie's piece of crap idea
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Turbo retired but his post is still alive
:twisted:
Wiggy last night J247.com
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1st 20, so you know the method
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With only 5#'s you could go on, if you do and get to spin 41, +116; but more #'s to be bet at 36*1,5,25
With an idiot moding MPR better to use this RNG, just same results as R.org
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The old 36*1,5,25; +111 for 8 spins of betting :thumbsup:
See yer shit hard or is that shit for brains
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 12, 05:10 AM 2018
John and BBB
like most on here never got to Turbo's way, found other ways
Yes 36*1,5,25,50
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Unlike Taotie's piece of crap idea
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Up and up, not like your hard shit Bombus, oh no it's taotie, or who the fuck knows with all these members with multiple names, even Tuner might be Taotie
I think notto's got a man crush....
Wiggy todays j247.com 36*1,5,25,50
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Gents
reset spin 29; +38 using only R1's
31 spins after reset, bet for 11 spins, end +535 for 20 bet spins only R1's
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36*1,5,25
Notto,
A quick suggestion.
You should try and explain what it is that you're actually doing rather than just showing charts all the time. I suspect most people don't know what it is that you're trying show. It's kind of a mess.
Again, just trying to be helpful.
A few i've been in touch with should.
But don't expect me to get in touch with you. Any way it gives you something to post about, brighten your dull life up.
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 15, 12:29 PM 2018
A few i've been in touch with should.
But don't expect me to get in touch with you. Any way it gives you something to post about, brighten your dull life up.
My suggestion:
Each post provide a brief review:
1. As to how your bets are selected and defined parameters before the bets were actually made.
2. The amount bet in units only at each spin.
3. The max draw down in units.
4. The win in units.
5. How the degrees of freedom were limited and why the graph/charts are relevant. This helps the reader understand just how much the results are or are not curve fitted by looking forwards and backwards in time in the spins data.
The reason I point this out is because most readers will be lost when looking at each of these posts in this never ending thread. By providing the review with your charts each spin you'll help keep your readers engaged.
Just trying to be helpful. :)
-The General
Let them work it out, it's @Turbo so what do you want spoon fed
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What the f--- do i want that for. Just a bit of paper to track does the job.
Up to the red line +535
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I folded the bets off, don't want you seeing the bets, or i'd send the method to you, but i won't waste my time, 36*1,5,25
Quote from: The General on Sep 15, 12:15 PM 2018
Notto,
A quick suggestion.
You should try and explain what it is that you're actually doing rather than just showing charts all the time. I suspect most people don't know what it is that you're trying show. It's kind of a mess.
Again, just trying to be helpful.
Why don't you actually read Notto's posts thoroughly rather than post a gif of something? If you read his posts and comprehended what you read, you would know exactly what he was doing. He has posted more information than a lot of people on here, The hours and hours of work he has done and he shares it. That's being helpful.
Had the win on spin 26, betting 4#'s, should have done what i said to the few, never bet over 8#'s, in 62 spins only 4 and 19 not hit.
Thats R.org for you.
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And the R1's just came
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R.org
Good grief it's painful to watch your testing results. Please let me fast track this for you guys. My sims will give you all the details and run it almost instantly.
But first we need to define something.
1. You want to try and bet on the top four numbers using a 38 spins horizon, correct? If so, then that equates to betting on any number that's about two hits above expectation.
nope
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 15, 04:28 PM 2018
nope
Ermm...FYI that's basically all there is to Turbo's system. Of course he changes the rules around to include stop losses and money management scenarios, but none of those have an effect on system edge.
Quote from: The General on Sep 15, 04:34 PM 2018
Ermm...FYI that's basically all there is to Turbo's system. Of course he changes the rules around to include stop losses and money management scenarios, but none of those have an effect on system edge.
It's not what Notto is doing, and it's not what Turbo does either. Re read everything and comprehend it. You are assuming based upon what you believe is going on, not what was written. Stop losses aren't required, the game tells you when to stop. Money management is always required, in, roulette as well as in life in general. As cliche as it sounds think outside the box.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 15, 06:11 PM 2018You are assuming based upon what you believe is going on, not what was written
A very true assessment of Caleb in a nutshell.
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 15, 02:20 PM 2018
What the f--- do i want that for. Just a bit of paper to track does the job.
Up to the red line +535
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I folded the bets off, don't want you seeing the bets, or i'd send the method to you, but i won't waste my time, 36*1,5,25
All I can say is the above, is absurd. It's as pointless as testing just one spin. There are mistakes left and right, but unfortunately you're utterly oblivious to the futility and mistakes that you're making while trying to test your little system. I feel like I'm watching cavemen. Unfortunately everything suggested is going right over your heads, including Turner's. ::)
I could check back in 10 years and you'd be no closer to finding statistical relevance than you are right now.
In regards to the above comment
What exactly is wrong with the test sheet?
Showing the method and what happens when it’s played with real spins? How is that absurd
I’m missing what exactly is absurd or wrong
When you play until profit and that’s it what’s a million spins matter if that’s what you’re getting at
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 15, 08:25 PM 2018
In regards to the above comment
What exactly is wrong with the test sheet?
Showing the method and what happens when it’s played with real spins? How is that absurd
I’m missing what exactly is absurd or wrong
When you play until profit and that’s it what’s a million spins matter if that’s what you’re getting at
Ghost,
What's the first thing that jumps right out at you when look at the testing?
Choose a random system and test 100 spins a few times. Probably you'll win more than you lose if progression is used.
Does it mean the system "works"?
Next try it with flat betting. You'll probably lose. Does it mean the system is best used with progression?
Now consider sometimes in 100 spins with flat bets, you'll win. What's the merit in short tests?
Anyone with reasonable experience understands what im getting at.
I think you just don’t care to understand what notto is doing
He has become a target for you. Like winkel was. But notto is more resilient than winkel
He took a set of spins. Then showed how his method worked with said spins
no reason to attack
Start an AP thread or move along
Remember dont attack the messenger. Dont even consider the messenger. Look at whats being said and why. Verify it yourself. Then maybe many people can stop the ridiculous circles, properly test, understand, then start working on methods that increase accuracy of predictions.
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People like Steve and I point out glaring problems but you guys still remained trapped.
I was genuinely trying to help you guys escape the cage.
Good Luck!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 15, 08:45 PM 2018Then showed how his method worked with said spins
You missed the point completely.
I'll show you my method of random bets, and the spins where i totally won. And thats worth what??
Remember not to take it personal. We really are trying to help. Have you ever tried to talk sense into someone and they just have no clue, and instead become defensive and feel attacked? Then you wonder how they're just not seeing it? Thats what this is.
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People like Steve and I point out glaring problems but you guys still remained trapped.
I was genuinely trying to help you guys escape the cage.
Good Luck!
You say that you play bias wheels. Here is what Steve said on this forum:
Overall, bias is a waste of time unless you are surrounded by many casinos with old technology and very lazy staff. Even then there are far more viable options.
Overall, bias is a waste of time unless you are surrounded by many casinos with old technology and very lazy staff. Even then there are far more viable options.
Who is trapped?
Compared to what i do, yes it is a waste of time. Doesnt mean its not viable. But you would need a network of scouts and players to make it viable. And besides, caleb already said he's a vb player too.
Oh no
Wrong
Very wrong
I get it
I just don’t align with ya. I don’t do the million spin test thing
If he can show two years worth of charts testing 50 spins winning each one that’s all I need
Give the man a little a credit. Stop being douches.
Not to mention....the man works hard
He is nice enough to test his sheets for the forum
Whether you like how he plays or not....
This is good for your forum this is what it’s for. Stop being foolish.
I posted it once, I'll post it again. It's appropriate.
So Steve and Caleb decide to take someone to a casino to show them
"How its done". Lets call this guy Bob. They show up at the casino and Steve says we have to be covert while doing this so the casino doesn't catch on, put on these fake glasses and moustaches. Bob says " won't the casino facial recognition software recognise us and assign numbers to our faces so they can track us with their state of the art 4K cameras and recording devices that are hooked up to servers that can keep track of exactly where we bet and what are chip counts are?" Caleb replies "that's absurd! (Thinking in his head, I'm sure glad I got me that word a day vocabulary calendar ) we will also put on these plastic white trash bags on as dinner jackets so they won't know its us.
They arrive at the table and both Steve and Caleb start tracking the spins explaining that we watch the wheel and the diamonds show us where the ball will land, we are smarter than the Casino, they haven't figured this out yet. Bob asks" what about the laser triangulation software the casino uses to track every single spin on every single table, articulating for any bias, defective diamond, drop zone, ball decay etc etc. Steve and Caleb yell that's bullshit, we are smarter than any casino, plus we are in disguise so they don't know we are going to take tens of dollars from them. Bob, having read forums notices patterns that Winkel, Notto, Turbo, and others posted so he starts to play and wins. Steve and Caleb both scream no! We have to figure out the wheel
as they remove their shoes to count on their toes. Bob says, but these patterns are happening in a real wheel just same as RNG. Caleb says nonsense that's absurd! Then he starts betting on numbers in the same area. See
Caleb says, I know what I'm doing, its AP at work. Bob says but you are betting in the same areas that the pattern forms. Caleb says no, its variance that causes that for those on the forum, for us its skill, besides I'm the expert at roulette on the forum. I challenged all without any incentive and all refused. Caleb then reaches into a bag and puts on his tiara he bought himself for being the roulette forum ruler. Steve screams at Cakeb, no! We are supposed to be covert! Bob laughs at the clowns waiting for hours to see the imaginary patterns they think make them win, grabs his winnings and goes to cash them in. Steve and Caleb still arguing finally realize he is gone and say to themselves, shit, that was our ride and bankroll, how will we get home.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 15, 09:00 PM 2018I just don’t align with ya
You dont align with us, or verifiable fact?
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 15, 09:00 PM 2018Give the man a little a credit. Stop being douches
Good for sharing. Nobody is debating that. You're just not understanding whats being said.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 15, 09:10 PM 2018
Good for sharing. Nobody is debating that. You're just not understanding whats being said.
False assumption
Nimo, you obviously don't know it, but your ridiculous story shows how little you know.
It's not an insult or attack. Don't take it personally.
What's my assumption rg?
That you dont understand? Then why do your statement show incorrect understanding? Its deliberate. Why?
Here is a quick run off of 22 spins, why 22? The game tells me to stop there, It's a GUT crossing that tells me the next spins are not favorable so I don't need to play them. Games with this vary from between 18-24 spins. The charts, work the same RNG, real money. I just did on simulator to show what happens. Bankroll I start with every time is $100. If I lose the entire $100 the game is over and lost. Any progression is self funded
Let's say in 1,000,000 spins at an average of 22 spins per game, that's 45454.54 games. If my starting bank is $100 each time, I would require a rolling cash flow of $4545454. With an average of $1200 profit per game, my break even point would be at game 3788 or at 8%. I need to win 8% of my games to break even, 8%, you get that it's 8%, that's right 8%. This particular game has won 301 of the 479 played so far, that's roughly 10000 spins. at over 62% win rate. 479 *$100 = -47900, 301*$1200 =+$361200
$361200-$47900 = $313300 profit.
No wheel scouting, No computers, No travel costs. No Bias, No Ballistics. No Bullshit. Just Profit.
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Quote from: Nimo on Sep 15, 09:40 PM 2018No wheel scouting, No computers, No travel costs. No Bias, No Ballistics. No Bullshit. Just Profit.
22 spins. No bullshit alright. Is your hg for sale?
Can you first show something statistically relevant? Are you replicating results on mpr? Since you win more than you lose, how much have you won in real casinos? Are they hiring consultants to advise them about you too?
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 15, 09:40 PM 2018
Here is a quick run off of 22 spins, why 22? The game tells me to stop there, It's a GUT crossing that tells me the next spins are not favorable so I don't need to play them. Games with this vary from between 18-24 spins. The charts, work the same RNG, real money. I just did on simulator to show what happens. Bankroll I start with every time is $100. If I lose the entire $100 the game is over and lost. Any progression is self funded
Let's say in 1,000,000 spins at an average of 22 spins per game, that's 45454.54 games. If my starting bank is $100 each time, I would require a rolling cash flow of $4545454. With an average of $1200 profit per game, my break even point would be at game 3788 or at 8%. I need to win 8% of my games to break even, 8%, you get that it's 8%, that's right 8%. This particular game has won 301 of the 479 played so far, that's roughly 10000 spins. at over 62% win rate. 479 *$100 = -47900, 301*$1200 =+$361200
$361200-$47900 = $313300 profit.
No wheel scouting, No computers, No travel costs. No Bias, No Ballistics. No Bullshit. Just Profit.
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Nimo,
Do you know just how ridiculous what you've written above really is? ::)
I hope that it's supposed to be a joke. Surely you don't believe what you've written. ::)
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Up and up, not like your hard shit Bombus, oh no it's taotie, or who the f*** knows with all these members with multiple names, even Tuner might be Taotie
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You see what happens when notto tries to push taotie in the pool...Karma's a bitch.
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Quote from: Steve on Sep 15, 10:00 PM 2018
22 spins. No bullshit alright. Is your hg for sale?
Can you first show something statistically relevant? Are you replicating results on mpr? Since you win more than you lose, how much have you won in real casinos? Are they hiring consultants to advise them about you too?
Do u notice every week mpr thread comes to top. Why? Its a pure garbage.( not the spin ) . The set up and all its facility to continiously
Madi is that because your rank doesnt match your talk?
Quote from: Steve on Sep 16, 01:31 AM 2018
Madi is that because your rank doesnt match your talk?
No definitely not. I am clearly admitting that i did lost 2 times entire bankroll means 10000 unit lost. But still i m saying the entire facility (not the spin) is very low quality. I can see people can still spinning with ready button just in 2-3 sec while others are still betting.
I will be the one who will leave other rng and play on mpr 3000spin per day when it will be up to standard like RS.
Doesnt matter my system may lose all the time in mpr. The spins r more realistic
Quote from: The General on Sep 15, 07:33 PM 2018Unfortunately everything suggested is going right over your heads, including Turner's.
Thats typical. If they dont listen to Caleb then they must be a retard
Its your approach that is wrong
Your teaching skills suck.
No one is coming to class
Also...the venue is wrong.
Look at all the new posts. If it was working...they would be about VB or wobbly wheels.
They are not
At least be gracious in defeat if nothing else.
You are the man in the shopping mall holding a sign "The end is nigh"
Quote from: Madi on Sep 16, 03:14 AM 2018But still i m saying the entire facility (not the spin) is very low quality
Exactly what is low quality? Be very specific.
Quote from: Madi on Sep 16, 03:14 AM 2018I can see people can still spinning with ready button just in 2-3 sec while others are still betting.
Please re-word that to be english.
Quote from: Madi on Sep 16, 03:20 AM 2018I will be the one who will leave other rng and play on mpr 3000spin per day when it will be up to standard like RS.
RS doesnt even have proper table limits, which is why there are so many big winners. Thats forgetting the questionable source of spins.
But anyway they are two different types of games. Mpr is a more accurate simulator, with meaningful stats, real spins database if required, and proper table limits.
Also mpr is designed as a multiplayer game, which requires server syncronization like real online casinos. That part creates limitations but it's unavoidable.
Ultimately which you play on, up to you. But considering the table limits above, rs is not a good simulator.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 04:30 AM 2018Thats typical. If they dont listen to Caleb then they must be a retard
Consider the message, not the messenger.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 04:30 AM 2018Its your approach that is wrong
Whether the approach is direct, sugarcoated or whatever, some people just dont get it. There is no effective approach for people who either dont pay attention, dont care, or arent smart enough even for basics. Which case it is, who knows.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 04:30 AM 2018Your teaching skills suck.
Sometimes. But ive seen him use all diferent approaches, with the same result.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 04:30 AM 2018No one is coming to class
Ignoring the message because people dont like the nessenger is still ignorance.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 04:30 AM 2018Also...the venue is wrong.
The venue has all sorts of people. Some willing to learn, some who dont care either way, some serious players, some system tinkerers. All sorts. The venue is not the problem. But preaching to people who prefer to either remain ignorant, or dont care either way, or lack intelligence, os a waste of time. Anyone truly interested in progressing would know already, or require little advice, because a healthy mind with intent to learn will soak up truth easily.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 04:30 AM 2018Look at all the new posts. If it was working...they would be about VB or wobbly wheels.
If you went to flat earth forum and argued earth was round, your thread wouldn't be popular.
If the trot, repeaters and such nonsense worked, casinos would not encourage such approaches, would they?
What are they afraid of? Wobbly wheels and vb, to name two of numerous legitimate approaches.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 04:30 AM 2018They are not
Truth isnt popular here. Unfortunate fact. At other forums, like math or casino consultant, most discussions here have blatantly obvious holes.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 04:30 AM 2018At least be gracious in defeat if nothing else.
I know you don't like caleb, but failing to convince people of the truth is not a bigger failure than being stuck in ignorance.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 04:30 AM 2018You are the man in the shopping mall holding a sign "The end is nigh"
More like "Earth is not flat."
Also understand im not supporting caleb personally. Im supporting his unpopular messages because it's the truth.
There's a whole other world of professionals in the gaming industry that take the facts for granted. They find it bemusing how most players really have no clues. But hey, why look a gift horse in the mouth.. the clueless gamblers pay the bills. It's their money to lose.
If i wanted a busy forum full of shit, i would shut up. But I prefer to be honest and direct, even if it pisses a few people off. Real men or mature adults don't get pissed off by information that conflicts with their beliefs. They check facts for themselves, see their mistakes, and progress.
... and if everyone properly tested, the truth wouldnt be debatable.
A simple problem is most tests are short term nonsense.
And when we explain why it's nonsense, it isn't understood. We just get responses like.....
"Why should i test 1m spins if i never play that many??"
"I only need to win in the short term"
Often the understanding is so poor it's intolerable. Its even worse that it has been explained so many times and so many ways, and its still not sinking in.
Sure, make fun of flat earthers. You may be one of them.
Steve, you say don't shoot the messenger, but as I've said before, there's no contradiction in each number hitting 1/37 in the long run and the possibility of picking numbers higher than expectation in the short run. One of the general's favourite lines is "count the number of pockets on the wheel" lol, as though we are all too dumb to notice that they don't change between spins.
And in fact there's no connection at all between his crappy message and reality. Whether the number of pockets changes between spins or not has nothing to do with the potential to win, which only relies on your bet selection, backed up by money management. There is no maths which says no system can win, and even if there was, who cares? Mathematics depends on assumptions, it isn't the truth and is no predictor of what is possible in reality.
"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." Einstein.
I don't mind people taking the piss now and again, but his posts are nothing else. If that's not trolling I don't know what is.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 16, 08:54 AM 2018there's no contradiction in each number hitting 1/37 in the long run and the possibility of picking numbers higher than expectation in the short run.
This doesn't appear to make sense. It's easily achievable to consistently achieve better than 1 in 37.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 16, 08:54 AM 2018One of the general's favourite lines is "count the number of pockets on the wheel" lol, as though we are all too dumb to notice that they don't change between spins.
Perhaps he's just saying understands odds vs payouts, because many people don't appear to understand such a simple but critical concept.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 16, 08:54 AM 2018And in fact there's no connection at all between his crappy message and reality
If his message is as above, he's explaining fundamental fact. Reality.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 16, 08:54 AM 2018the potential to win, which only relies on your bet selection, backed up by money management.
Bet selection is the key. But money management has no effect on your edge or long term winnings, with exceptions like larger bets increase the rate of winning or losing.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 16, 08:54 AM 2018There is no maths which says no system can win, and even if there was, who cares?
It's not so easy to prove something doesnt exist. But it's easy to prove something like typical repeater systems being no different to random betting.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 16, 08:54 AM 2018Mathematics depends on assumptions, it isn't the truth and is no predictor of what is possible in reality.
That depends. Everything is an assumption to some degree, including reality and existence. But keep it reasonable. If it quacks and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
Math is an indicator of what's possible, within reason.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 16, 08:54 AM 2018"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality." Einstein.
Makes no difference who said it. Nothing is 100% certain. But we can get pretty darn close to 100% and at some point, it's reasonable to accept our understanding mirrors our observations well enough to replicate results from our model of reality. Sure, be philosphical and say anything is possible. But also keep in mind it doesn't appear to be probable, considering it doesn't appear to have been observed.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 16, 08:54 AM 2018I don't mind people taking the piss now again, but his posts are nothing else. If that's not trolling I don't know what is.
He borderline trolls here. I allow it because overall i feel some people need a dose of reality, even if it's sometimes annoying. Idf it gives clearly into more negative than positive contributions, then i will ask him to relax a bit. If he follows members around being a nuisance, then that's trolling. But he doesn't appear to follow anyone any more than any other member would.
I get it. He can be cunty at immature at times. So can others. But the other side needs to be considered. He is also attacked more than his fair share, even when being polite about it all. It has all been said before.
Also if people get so riled up so easily, perhaps they need some backbone. It's a public forum. Nobody is stalking or harassing anyone. There are a variety of viewpoints and people. We wont all see eye to eye. It's not life shattering.
If someone feels they're being trolled, they can let me know privately. You'll find im quite reasonable, and so are most people here because they understand the possibility of moderation if they don't agree with my decision.
Trolling does not include opposing views, that may reveal your claims are inaccurate. Trolling is following you everywhere including your threads, being a nuisance. There's a difference.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 16, 07:19 AM 2018More like "Earth is not flat."
More like preaching than teaching
Thats my whole point
Quote from: Steve on Sep 16, 09:30 AM 2018there's no contradiction in each number hitting 1/37 in the long run and the possibility of picking numbers higher than expectation in the short run.
This doesn't appear to make sense. It's easily achievable to consistently achieve better than 1 in 37.
The point is that the 1/37 is irrelevant. A number may hit at its exact expectation over many spins but my win rate on that number is what matters, not its expectation.
Quoteit's reasonable to accept our understanding mirrors our observations well enough to replicate results from our model of reality. Sure, be philosphical and say anything is possible. But also keep in mind it doesn't appear to be probable, considering it doesn't appear to have been observed.
If I can quote part of another post you made in another thread; it was in response to my scepticism about precognition :
QuoteIf statistical results dont support the viability of precognition, it probably doesnt have merit. But data and my own experiences do support it. So its not just a theory alone to me. It's more like likely fact, although the mechanics of it all are not understood yet. I'm a reasonable person and dont believe in hocus pocus. Again I believe there's clearly enough evidence to support it being viable. There are countless things we dont know about the universe.
You could replace the word "precognition" with "roulette systems" and it would be true for a lot of members of this forum, including me. I personally think that precognition is bunk, based on what the scientific community believes, logic, lack of any hard data, etc, but I'm willing to admit I could be wrong and I certainly wouldn't spend any of my time ridiculing and mocking those who do believe it, in post after post after post.
The general says he's here for networking purposes. Well if that's true he's got a pretty funny way of going about it. It's not how to win friends and influence people.
It's ok, Steve and Caleb, I know you don't hate any of us. You are just the mediocre equivalent of this quote
"Haters don't hate you. They hate themselves because you are a reflection of what they want to be."
Thanks guys, We all take that as a compliment.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 10:41 AM 2018
More like preaching than teaching
Thats my whole point
Turner,
Correcting fallacies, and myths, while discussing the importance of basic probability is teaching. :)
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 16, 01:50 PM 2018
It's ok, Steve and Caleb, I know you don't hate any of us. You are just the mediocre equivalent of this quote
"Haters don't hate you. They hate themselves because you are a reflection of what they want to be."
Thanks guys, We all take that as a compliment.
Nimo,
I'm not your enemy and neither are statistics, basic probability, and math. The house edge is your foe. Attack the wheel instead of the game. :)
I see you've had some success in sports betting. If you focus on the wheel then you could probably do well in roulette too.
Quote from: The General on Sep 16, 02:52 PM 2018
Turner,
Correcting fallacies, and myths, while discussing the importance of basic probability is teaching. :)
Discussing? lmao
Get over yourself. You wouldnt know a discussion if you tripped over it.
Quote from: The General on Sep 16, 03:00 PM 2018
Nimo,
I'm not your enemy and neither are statistics, basic probability, and math. The house edge is your foe. Attack the wheel instead of the game. :)
I see you've had some success in sports betting. If you focus on the wheel then you could probably do well in roulette too.
Here is an actual played session that I did on Friday morning. Eastern Standard time. Playtech RNG, William Hill Casino. Played from 9:08am until 9:32am. 70 spins. Tell me the method I used and I will see if you actually know what you are talking about. Take all the time you want to analyze the chart. If you can't tell me what I am doing then stick to AP play because this is probably beyond your reasoning. It's way more out of the box than you may think.
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Quote from: Nimo on Sep 16, 05:22 PM 2018
Here is an actual played session that I did on Friday morning. Eastern Standard time. Playtech RNG, William Hill Casino. Played from 9:08am until 9:32am. 70 spins. Tell me the method I used and I will see if you actually know what you are talking about. Take all the time you want to analyze the chart. If you can't tell me what I am doing then stick to AP play because this is probably beyond your reasoning. It's way more out of the box than you may think.
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Nimo,
It's not you against other APs and me. It's just you against the casino. 8)
I get it, you probably think you're smarter than all of the experts and mathematicians. I'm glad you've experienced some good
luck. In the meantime, perhaps consider revisiting some history on the game so you don't give it all back.
"Over the years, many people have tried to beat the casino..."link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette
Best of luck. :)
-The General
Quote from: Joe on Sep 16, 11:16 AM 2018The point is that the 1/37 is irrelevant. A number may hit at its exact expectation over many spins but my win rate on that number is what matters, not its expectation.
Do you count wins from lucky spins as an edge, or variance?
What you're saying is the same as "I bet random numbers and won. That's what matters."
Sure winning is what matters. But eventually your luck runs out if your system has no edge.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 16, 11:16 AM 2018You could replace the word "precognition" with "roulette systems" and it would be true for a lot of members of this forum, including me. I personally think that precognition is bunk, based on what the scientific community believes, logic, lack of any hard data, etc, but I'm willing to admit I could be wrong and I certainly wouldn't spend any of my time ridiculing and mocking those who do believe it, in post after post after post.
But statistical results prove the various approaches like repeaters, hot numbers etc DONT have merit (unless there's real cause and effect like bias).
There's no doubt about it because we can easily, and have, tested many billions of spins. It is not realistically possible to test this volume of spins with precognition, because you cant simply run automated tests for billions of spins.
You are trying to compare something that's easily proven, to something that's much more difficult to prove. Overall it appears realistic there is enough information and controlled experiments that precog and related science appear to be real. But the edge so far is only very small. And because the edge is very small, most results are still inconclusive because there isnt enough data, for reasons I explained. So at this stage, the jury is still out. I believe what I believe though from information I've gathered, including controlled test results, and my own experiences.
You could argue its the same for system players who have won over say a year of play. But keep in mind what I said about the bigger picture and larger tests. I myself won for about a year with a crap system, and was convinced it was the master HG system.
Quote from: The General on Sep 16, 07:11 PM 2018
Nimo,
It's not you against other APs and me. It's just you against the casino. 8)
I get it, you probably think you're smarter than all of the experts and mathematicians. I'm glad you've experienced some good luck. In the meantime, perhaps consider revisiting some history on the game so you don't give it all back.
"Over the years, many people have tried to beat the casino..."link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette
Best of luck. :)
-The General
General
You should admit yourself to GIZMO’s school. Currently 10% discount is going on. No need any broken wheel.
Quote from: Madi on Sep 16, 09:19 PM 2018
General
You should admit yourself to GIZMO’s school. Currently 10% discount is going on. No need any broken wheel.
I don't require a broken or wobbly wheel now. :)
But I must admit, I enjoy wobbly ones too.
Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 12, 05:10 AM 2018
Yes 36*1,5,25,50
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Unlike Taotie's piece of crap idea
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LOL
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Quote from: Steve on Sep 16, 08:09 PM 2018What you're saying is the same as "I bet random numbers and won. That's what matters."
That's a misrepresentation and is not at all what I mean. Obviously you can't win long term betting randomly.
QuoteBut statistical results prove the various approaches like repeaters, hot numbers etc DONT have merit (unless there's real cause and effect like bias).
Correction : statistical results have proven that certain particular roulette systems posted on this forum and tested over many spins, don't work. That's a far cry from your sweeping statement that no system based on repeaters, hot numbers etc can ever work.
Steve, I get it. You have vested interests and so aren't really motivated to be pro-system. Obviously you've decided to abandon all hope in that department, but plenty of people haven't. AP is indeed a viable way, but I don't agree that it's the
only way. Is it too much to ask that on a roulette forum both can co-exist peacefully? Apparently so.
Quoteno system based on repeaters, hot numbers etc can ever work.
In the random game no system based on repeats, repeaters, hot numbers or cold number can win in the long run because the house payout is short. In short, there are one or two too many pockets for it to work.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 16, 05:22 PM 2018Here is an actual played session that I did on Friday morning. Eastern Standard time. Playtech RNG, William Hill Casino. Played from 9:08am until 9:32am. 70 spins. Tell me the method I used and I will see if you actually know what you are talking about.
Nimo, what unit size were you using?
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 03:58 AM 2018In the random game no system based on repeats, repeaters, hot numbers or cold number can ever work in the long run because the house payout is short.
General, if you choose to believe that, fine. It certainly lets you off the hook for doing the necessary work. But don't burden us with your limitations; just stick to your chi-square and wobbly wheels. ;-)
It's reiterated by mathematicians all around the world.
Can you possibly provide even one logical reason as to why they are wrong???
It all comes down to negative long term expectation.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 16, 10:41 AM 2018More like preaching than teaching
Thats my whole point
It's much the same. I'll give one example:
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 03:58 AM 2018In the random game no system based on repeats, repeaters, hot numbers or cold number can win in the long run because the house payout is short. In short, there are one or two too many pockets for it to work.
It's very clear. He spelled it out, as he has many times. Sometimes he'll be briefer, which is probably what you consider "preaching". How many times must he or I repeat the same thing and get NO tangible evidence contrary to our statements?
I just dont get it. It's abundantly clear. What we say is backed up by clear mathematical evidence, extensive testing, and the whole damn professional gaming community and world of mathematicians, educated individuals etc. The entire gaming industry is based on the fundamental truths. And there is not a shred of tangible evidence of the contrary.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 03:50 AM 2018That's a far cry from your sweeping statement that no system based on repeaters, hot numbers etc can ever work.
Can you show me evidence to the contrary?
BESIDES FACTORS LIKE BIAS, ALL THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE CLEARLY POINTS THAT HOT NUMBERS OR REPEATERS CLEARLY SHOWS THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT. THE ACCURACY IS NO DIFFERENT TO RANDOM. THAT'S WHY CASINOS LURE PLAYERS INTO THINGS LIKE HOT NUMBER SYSTEMS, BY DISPLAYING "HOT NUMBERS".
Until I find ANYTHING tangible that indicates the opposite, I'll keep believing what I believe. Sound reasonable?
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 03:50 AM 2018Steve, I get it. You have vested interests and so aren't really motivated to be pro-system.
No, that's a cheap cop-out comment, often used when there's no valid argument. I couldn't give two poops if anyone doesn't like the idea of my methods.
I've been through this many times before. I encourage other methods, which at least show potential of giving the player an edge. I am not saying the HG definitely doesn't exist. I'm saying stop with the bullshit approaches that have been tried by countless generations, and show to fail. Stop with the bullshit that we already know doesn't work.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 03:50 AM 2018AP is indeed a viable way, but I don't agree that it's the only way.
Do you understand that "advantage play" basically means "increasing your odds of winning"? 37 numbers on the wheel but the payout it 35-1. The payout is short. Unless you win more than 1 in 35 times, you wont profit. So you must, MUST increase the accuracy of predictions.
You cant do it with progression alone because if the odds dont change (1 in 37), then all progression does is vary the amount you risk. You can get lucky and win back losses, or be unlucky and lose even more.
FOR f*** SAKE GUYS. THIS IS REALLY SIMPLE STUFF. YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING THAT AFTER ALL THE EXPLANATIONS, SOME OF YOU STILL DON'T GET IT.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 03:50 AM 2018Is it too much to ask that on a roulette forum both can co-exist peacefully? Apparently so.
Sure, but there is only one solution to a mathematical equation. A solution is not debatable.
I'll tell you why i get irritated. Because it is no different to explaining to flat Earthers:
* Why their arguments are backwards and incorrect
* The information that indicates Earth is round
Except the information concerning nonsense like hot numbers is EVEN MORE CLEAR.
You know 20+ years ago, I didn't get it either. I was one of the thick ones. But once I got my head of out of ass, and put truth and verifiable information before what I expected or wanted to be true, that's when the learning started. And from that point, I very quickly learned what does and doesn't work, and WHY.
My interest in enlightening people about the round Earth has nothing to do with what you or anyone perceives to be my business interests. I just have a serious problem with seeing flat Earthers ranting about not being able to see Earth's curve. I cannot fathom how they don't understand it. Yes I was ignorant once too. But things rapidly changed when my head was removed from my ass. So I can only assume either some people are really unintelligent, OR they still have their head up their asses.
Dont get me wrong. I have patience for players who initially dont know, but want to learn. I'm happy to help. But I tend to get annoyed when it is explained again and again and again and again to people who argue with no information to back up their claims, really bad logic, and they even think your explanations and attempts to help them are because of some conspiracy.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 17, 04:46 AM 2018Can you show me evidence to the contrary?
BESIDES FACTORS LIKE BIAS, ALL THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE CLEARLY POINTS THAT HOT NUMBERS OR REPEATERS CLEARLY SHOWS THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT. THE ACCURACY IS NO DIFFERENT TO RANDOM. THAT'S WHY CASINOS LURE PLAYERS INTO THINGS LIKE HOT NUMBER SYSTEMS, BY DISPLAYING "HOT NUMBERS".
Steve, no, I'm not going to lay out step by step the exact process I use when playing, just as you wouldn't give away your computers or systems and the general wouldn't reveal his "secrets" on a public forum. It has nothing to do with waiting for specific conditions or events, it's a continuous process (or to be more specific, multiple processes which use multiple variables). It's a holistic approach based on pure statistics and doesn't depend on exploiting vulnerabilities in the wheel. And yes it does increase the accuracy of predictions.
Simplistic systems such as those posted on this forum have no chance of winning consistently, I agree, but why tar all systems with the same brush?
It's the double standards which irritate me. Gaming experts like the Wizard of Odds say roulette is unbeatable except for perhaps the possibility of finding biased wheels. There's no mention of ballistics, dealer signature, or finding patterns. These approaches, along with systems, are not suggested as viable ways to win by mathematicians, but you and the general insist that in spite of no tangible evidence, it's the only true way. The only evidence is anecdotal, just as it is with systems.
QuoteSure, but there is only one solution to a mathematical equation. A solution is not debatable.
Not so, most equations have multiple solutions, it's only linear equations which have one solution. And I don't know why you and the general think that equations carry so much weight. Maths is just a system of notation to express complex ideas, it doesn't have any monopoly on truth and always carries assumptions. Why should anyone feel limited and constrained by it?
Quote from: The General on Sep 16, 07:11 PM 2018
Nimo,
It's not you against other APs and me. It's just you against the casino. 8)
I get it, you probably think you're smarter than all of the experts and mathematicians. I'm glad you've experienced some good luck. In the meantime, perhaps consider revisiting some history on the game so you don't give it all back.
"Over the years, many people have tried to beat the casino..."link:s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roulette
Best of luck. :)
-The General
Luck has nothing to do with it.
As someone who has done millions of simulations, you should know with some approximation what every roulette chart reveals. Not the exact method but a generalization.
It's as I thought. I was hoping your mind was more open to things. Sometimes a different perspective from someone that perhaps has a different synergy with numbers may provide insight that makes other ideas click that are already inside your head.
Yes its me against the casino, not me against anyone on the forum. From the scorecard, it looks like in Nimo vs Casino, Nimo is winning.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 04:00 AM 2018
Nimo, what unit size were you using?
$10 units. There are three sessions in those 70 spins.
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 04:06 AM 2018
It's reiterated by mathematicians all around the world.
Can you possibly provide even one logical reason as to why they are wrong???
It all comes down to negative long term expectation.
Yes negative long term expectations are there for every system imaginable including AP and computers. Payout is unfair 35-1.
But, and here is where the key lies to this.
Every system if tested in long term million spin tests will fail. This is the general math expert consensus that you guys keep spouting.
We have all seen enough systems tested short term that win. We have all even tried them.
Now let's say we take 37 systems and put them on a wheel.
We spin the wheel and it lands on system 12. For simplicity sake let's say its a simple martingale red black three spin system. We play it, it loses, so we spin our system wheel again , it lands on system 26 a repeater method. We play that system and it wins. It goes on like this until you hit your target profit. You are now playing random systems on random numbers. No long term expectations on your systems. Wins on some systems cancel out losses in others. It keeps the win percentages higher than the negative expectations.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 17, 06:44 AM 2018$10 units. There are three sessions in those 70 spins.
Thanks, I was trying to estimate the drawdown in your chart.
QuoteWe spin the wheel and it lands on system 12. For simplicity sake let's say its a simple martingale red black three spin system. We play it, it loses, so we spin our system wheel again , it lands on system 26 a repeater method. We play that system and it wins. It goes on like this until you hit your target profit. You are now playing random systems on random numbers. No long term expectations on your systems. Wins on some systems cancel out losses in others. It keeps the win percentages higher than the negative expectations.
Nice reply. No doubt Steve & General will come back with "all bets have the same negative expectation so it makes no difference". ::)
Not saying it's
the solution, but it's certainly part of it. My "system" makes use of multiple systems. Not played randomly in quite the same way as you describe because there is a certain structure to the randomness.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 04:02 AM 2018don't burden us with your limitations; just stick to your chi-square and wobbly wheels. ;-)
Your chi-square :) .... All is super simple - if something you not understand, or not able to learn - much easier to name that as stupidity, that all that not works, than to recognize, that problem are in you...
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 06:40 AM 2018And yes it does increase the accuracy of predictions.
Then if it does this, and you have enough data to support it, you may be onto something new.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 06:40 AM 2018Simplistic systems such as those posted on this forum have no chance of winning consistently, I agree, but why tar all systems with the same brush?
I never said all systems are the same. You agree that typical systems posted on forums have no chance. Perhaps you didnt understand where I was coming from. Anyone who has been around here long enough knows I actively encourage NEW approaches. I have a problem with people trying the same old approaches, just repackaged.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 06:40 AM 2018It's the double standards which irritate me.
There are no double standards. It would be your misunderstanding of what I'm saying, and where I'm coming from.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 06:40 AM 2018Gaming experts like the Wizard of Odds say roulette is unbeatable except for perhaps the possibility of finding biased wheels.
Maybe you should see what he says about hot numbers and the other typical fallacies.
And no, I don't believe he's an AP expert. He's a math expert. I've read enough of his material to know he's not an advantage player. His knowledge of advantage play appears to be second-hand. Mine is first-hand. And I'm one few who develop new approaches, instead of only learning from others. I still learn from others, nobody knows everything, but most important is my first-hand experience (20+ years, with the last 15 years being almost every day).
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 06:40 AM 2018There's no mention of ballistics, dealer signature, or finding patterns.
Actually there is, but his understanding is second-hand. Again he's a mathematician, not a player. Besides the APs themselves, who pioneer the approaches, the people in the gaming community who know better are casino consultants - the people who casinos hire to advise them. Many are ex-players, and they start playing for the other team. There aren't a lot of people who defect and truly understand how AP works - usually their understanding of VB for example is some basic techniques. On numerous occasions I've been asked by casinos if I'd be willing to demonstrate some techniques, and in particular computers to them. I refused to show them my hybrid (except one casino that misled me, and managed to see some parts), but anyone can test even my free computer although it has only basic algorithms.
And even casinos acknowledge the players are still one step ahead of both consultants and casinos. The players are the ones who study the game more than anyone. There are also a lot of casino consultants who claim to be experts, but get knowledge second-hand.
Joe, you appear like a reasonably intelligent guy. I've been in this industry for a long time. I've developed a lot of different methods and technologies, and used them extensively - my focus now is just the hybrid roulette computer, but again not for much longer as I'm almost retired.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 06:40 AM 2018These approaches, along with systems, are not suggested as viable ways to win by mathematicians, but you and the general insist that in spite of no tangible evidence, it's the only true way
If you knew what I knew, you wouldnt say that. If you want a good general idea of advantage play, get "Casino Game Protection" by Steve Forte. But when it comes to roulette, it's only a vague explanation of what happens. Steve Forte is broadly considered an expert. He's an expert in overall game protection (from AP and cheating, which are considered by casinos as different things), but he doesn't have a lot of experience in real roulette AP. His understanding is probably less than a quarter of what Caleb and I each would have. While it may sound arrogant, it is quite clear fact considering everything each of us has published and achieved.
Someone who knows better is George Melas. He's the guy the came up with low fret roulette wheels. He consulted for wheel designers and has done a lot of research and development. His understanding is I'd say a bit better than most professional players.
Then there's Thomas Bass, a very clever guy who created the first roulette computers. But he has achieved much more. His research involved very old wheels though, and since then a lot has changed.
I could go on and on about who's who, past events in casinos involving big wins. I could even publish recordings of what my teams do in casinos.
There's a lot you dont know. It really is a whole other world.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 06:40 AM 2018in spite of no tangible evidence, it's the only true way
I cant speak for General, but I never said VB, bias etc is the only way. I am only saying you cant beat roulette without increasing accuracy of predictions. Why is already explained. AP just means exploiting the mechanism that determines game outcomes, to increase accuracy of predictions. By definition, that's what AP is.
As you have said you method increases accuracy of predictions, then that's a form of AP. If its involving an approach that's new, then good, but if it works then you may be unknowingly exploiting wheel physics, or something related to the cause and effect of winning numbers.
Or do you think your method of bet selection has nothing to do with cause and effect? Does something happen for no reason at all? Or is there always cause and effect? If you agree there's always cause and effect, then your approach, assuming it worked, is AP.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 06:40 AM 2018Not so, most equations have multiple solutions, it's only linear equations which have one solution.
Can you please reveal the other solution to this:
QuoteCalculate the house edge for European Roulette, which contain a single zero and 36 non-zero numbers (18 red and 18 black).
How is it different to -2.7%?
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 17, 07:00 AM 2018Every system if tested in long term million spin tests will fail
I dont believe that's the case. An edge means it keeps winning.
I dont see a "system" as hot numbers, repeaters etc. A system to me is just an approach. Most people consider "systems" to be hot numbers, repeaters etc.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 17, 07:00 AM 2018We spin the wheel and it lands on system 12. For simplicity sake let's say its a simple martingale red black three spin system. We play it, it loses, so we spin our system wheel again , it lands on system 26 a repeater method. We play that system and it wins. It goes on like this until you hit your target profit. You are now playing random systems on random numbers. No long term expectations on your systems. Wins on some systems cancel out losses in others. It keeps the win percentages higher than the negative expectations.
This doesn't make sense. What you've described basically ends up with the same accuracy as random. You've changed nothing, except made random bets more complicated than it needs to be.
How does random systems on random numbers make there be no long term expectations? Just because you change your system, does that make it a new system so you can avoid saying no particular system lost, so your system worked, although it was basically random betting that somehow overcame negative expectation? What am I missing here?
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 07:14 AM 2018Nice reply. No doubt Steve & General will come back with "all bets have the same negative expectation so it makes no difference".
Nice reply how? It was muddled nonsense. And yes if all bets have negative expectation, then they have negative expectation. Strange how you quote the wizard of odds as an expert, but choose to ignore what he says.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 07:14 AM 2018My "system" makes use of multiple systems. Not played randomly in quite the same way as you describe because there is a certain structure to the randomness.
Using multiple systems is still collectively a system. You can claim to be able to fly, but nobody here can easily disprove it. But we all know it's rather unlikely. We can just leave it at "If you have something that works, use it. Good on you." But if you start claiming to have the HG and drop clues that lead nowhere, that's baiting and not what the forum is for. And if you make claims and provide logic that is incorrect, expect more experienced members will point it out.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 17, 08:05 AM 2018
Nice reply how? It was muddled nonsense. And yes if all bets have negative expectation, then they have negative expectation.
I didn't say it was the holy grail, but it's really common sense. Don't put all your eggs in one basket; allocate capital in a way which reduces the exposure to any one asset or risk. Although it doesn't cancel the negative expectation completely, the principle is a sound one. The chance of hitting a long run of negative variance is reduced because in order for that to happen the negative runs would have to occur at the precise moments you switch systems, as opposed to what happens when you stick with one system, where it's guaranteed that you will hit a long losing run. It works better if the systems are negatively correlated in some way with each other.
The negative expectation is your answer to everything but it applies just as much to AP as systems, the difference between them lies in the different ways of overcoming it.
QuoteStrange how you quote the wizard of odds as an expert, but choose to ignore what he says.
QuoteCan you please reveal the other solution to this:
Nice bait and switch ;-). Gimme a break Steve, your statement was about equations in general, not about the house edge. And my point about mentioning the Wizard of Odds was that you (or the General) are always saying the mathematicians have the answers. Here is a mathematician and gaming expert who is hired by casinos and yet he never mentions AP as being a way to win at roulette. In fact I saw a TV program recently in which he stated that the only casino game it's possible to win at is blackjack. You dismiss this by saying that he's not an AP, but that's the point; I could just as easily say "he's not a system player" when he says that systems can't win. This is what I mean by double standards.
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Sep 17, 07:42 AM 2018Your chi-square :) .... All is super simple - if something you not understand, or not able to learn - much easier to name that as stupidity, that all that not works, than to recognize, that problem are in you...
This is a typical example of the arrogance of the APer. Your assumption is that I have no idea what chi-square is, whereas the truth is I probably know more about statistical theory than you do.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 08:53 AM 2018Your assumption is that I have no idea what chi-square is, whereas the truth is I probably know more about statistical theory than you do.
Not take that so deep personally. I did not know maybe you are the professor of statistic and come here only for kidding. All can be. But usually are other.
Peoples, who know much about statistic usually are in another side of barricades, or they are in the casino side... Promotion play accordingly systems are good for casinos....
QuoteI didn't say it was the holy grail, but it's really common sense. Don't put all your eggs in one basket; allocate capital in a way which reduces the exposure to any one asset or risk. Although it doesn't cancel the negative expectation completely, the principle is a sound one. The chance of hitting a long run of negative variance is reduced because in order for that to happen the negative runs would have to occur at the precise moments you switch systems, as opposed to what happens when you stick with one system, where it's guaranteed that you will hit a long losing run. It works better if the systems are negatively correlated in some way with each other.
Money management in no way affects the house edge. Neither does setting on the side lines waiting for just the right trigger for your bets to become due.
QuoteThe negative expectation is your answer to everything but it applies just as much to AP as systems, the difference between them lies in the different ways of overcoming it.
APs have the edge over the casino, therefore the expectation is a positive one. This means the longer the AP plays, the more he will win. If you don't have a positive expectation then you simply can't win in the long run. If you have a negative expectation then overtime you will inevitably lose and reach a point that you can never break even again.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 07:14 AM 2018
Thanks, I was trying to estimate the drawdown in your chart.
Largest drawdown is $3363. Bankroll is $10000 for this method with $10 units. Since The General couldn't figure it out, I'll tell you its a repeater method, which he will say can't work because of the 37 pockets, however in this case its a full coverage system so all 37 numbers are covered. Which ones will repeat? It doesn't matter.
Nice reply. No doubt Steve & General will come back with "all bets have the same negative expectation so it makes no difference". ::)
Not saying it's the solution, but it's certainly part of it. My "system" makes use of multiple systems. Not played randomly in quite the same way as you describe because there is a certain structure to the randomness.
I actually play 6 systems in parallel at the same time. The one I posted is one of 6. That one reached its target at spin 70, the other 5 systems went to spin 124. My team works in conjunction. The casino is on the main screen, I place all the bets, they keep track of each system and tell me where to bet and how much. Each actual bet the entire layout looks like a cityscape with all the piles of chips. Once each system hits its target, its removed.
Do worry too much about Steve and Caleb, while I have no doubt about their successes with roulette, they think they are helping and for the most part they are, they just need attitude adjustments. Caleb can come off as immature and Steve as an arrogant twat, but if we were all in a bar having a drink arguing about roulette and someone came in looking to fight us, I'm sure they would have our backs.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 17, 01:02 PM 2018
I actually play 6 systems in parallel at the same time. The one I posted is one of 6. That one reached its target at spin 70, the other 5 systems went to spin 124. My team works in conjunction. The casino is on the main screen, I place all the bets, they keep track of each system and tell me where to bet and how much. Each actual bet the entire layout looks like a cityscape with all the piles of chips. Once each system hits its target, its removed.
Do worry too much about Steve and Caleb, while I have no doubt about their successes with roulette, they think they are helping and for the most part they are, they just need attitude adjustments. Caleb can come off as immature and Steve as an arrogant twat, but if we were all in a bar having a drink arguing about roulette and someone came in looking to fight us, I'm sure they would have our backs.
If you have seven systems, and each system has a negative expectation, then it doesn't matter if you change back and forth between systems because you will still eventually lose your entire bankroll overtime.
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 01:10 PM 2018
If you have seven systems, and each system has a negative expectation, then it doesn't matter if you change back and forth between systems because you will still eventually lose your entire bankroll overtime.
Each system doesnt have a negative expectation. I know exactly how much each system will win. I know their breakeven points, I know their hit rates, drawdowns, every minute detail of everything down to a fraction of a cent.
You worry about your playing. I'll take care of mine.
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 12:24 PM 2018Money management in no way affects the house edge. Neither does setting on the side lines waiting for just the right trigger for your bets to become due.
Neither of which has anything to do with my post. I've noticed that your responses are so standard and predictable that I'm beginning to wonder whether you're some kind of chat bot. :o
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 01:53 PM 2018I'm beginning to wonder whether you're some kind of chat bot
LOL
I have said exactly the same......
For those of us that grasp basic probability and statistics I feel that it's our responsibility to help out the new and green players.
Pointing out logic flaws is a good start.
A chat bot that periodically lists facts about the game and systems is a good idea! :)
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 02:19 PM 2018
For those of us that grasp basic probability and statistics I feel that it's our responsibility to help out the new and green players.
Pointing out logic flaws is a good start.
A chat bot that periodically lists facts about the game and systems is a good idea! :)
For those of us that live in the modern world, its our duty to point out those posters that have become obsolete. Then again most newbies can just read the posts and see for themselves who has anything to offer.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 17, 02:27 PM 2018
For those of us that live in the modern world, its our duty to point out those posters that have become obsolete. Then again most newbies can just read the posts and see for themselves who has anything to offer.
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Hey, what are you talking about? I live in the modern world! I even got one of them cell phones!
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 12:24 PM 2018
APs have the edge over the casino, therefore the expectation is a positive one. This means the longer the AP plays, the more he will win. If you don't have a positive expectation then you simply can't win in the long run. If you have a negative expectation then overtime you will inevitably lose and reach a point that you can never break even again.
Spot on!
What you are missing is that Nimo also have an Advantage when he plays, therefore he wins.
It is called short term positive expectation.
It works in his favour and can easily bend reality and provide favourable variance for him just like placebo effect.
When he plays his systems, he expects that each of his short term play sessions eventually reach a profit point with his progressions. Based on his statistics it is true for him most of the time to rely on it.
This is all that takes to have a positive expectaion in a short term session.
Best of all he links and combines multiple profitable systems to even further maximize profit in a set of time frame. That is just a smart way of playing.
Also hard to detect his betting patterns by the casino managment.
He consistently wins with real mones, this is all what matters.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Sep 17, 02:49 PM 2018It is called short term positive expectation.
Nope. Running an up as you lose progression doesn't change the odds. It's just merely borrowing from the future in order to chase losses.
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 03:17 PM 2018
Nope. Running an up as you lose progression doesn't change the odds. It's just merely borrowing from the future in order to chase losses.
Who said they are all up as lose progressions? In that chart I showed you earlier, it's up as a win.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 17, 03:20 PM 2018
Who said they are all up as lose progressions? In that chart I showed you earlier, it's up as a win.
Nimo
Dont take him seriously. He deactivated all of his social media account and come here fun.
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 03:17 PM 2018
Nope. Running an up as you lose progression doesn't change the odds. It's just merely borrowing from the future in order to chase losses.
General
In real life borrow from future works just fine. Move ur head around
Quote from: Madi on Sep 17, 03:33 PM 2018
Nimo
Dont take him seriously. He deactivated all of his social media account and come here fun.
I don't take him or Steve seriously. They have nothing of real value to offer anymore. I just want to make sure others don't follow all they preach and sometimes put them in their place for being bullies at times.
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 03:17 PM 2018
Nope. Running an up as you lose progression doesn't change the odds. It's just merely borrowing from the future in order to chase losses.
Correct.
Having positive expectation to hit your number as you increase your bets in a given frame is what tilt the odds.
You win because you strongly expect it to a degree that you even confident enough to place progressively larger bets.
I know it sounds like a radical concept, yet it is what happens in real life.
The usual rubbish. AP, roulette computer guys are desperately arguing that system players cannot win
For the readers info, systems play can and do win at roulette consistently. Don't let those dark side guys twist this around to rob you off the correct facts.
Having said that, it certainly also mean that most systems posted on forums don't fall in that category of systems play. You got to be realistic, it's not that easy
Quote from: Kairomancer on Sep 17, 03:44 PM 2018
Correct.
Having positive expectation to hit your number as you increase your bets in a given frame is what tilt the odds.
You win because you strongly expect it to a degree that you even confident enough to place progressively larger bets.
I know it sounds like a radical concept, yet it is what happens in real life.
Let me guess the reply:
Learn a little basic probability
Study the history of the game
Post a gif of Mike Ehrmantraut shaking his head
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LOL!
Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 17, 03:48 PM 2018
The usual rubbish. AP, roulette computer guys are desperately arguing that system players cannot win
For the readers info, systems play can and do win at roulette consistently. Don't let those dark side guys twist this around to rob you off the correct facts.
Having said that, it certainly also mean that most systems posted on forums don't fall in that category of systems play. You got to be realistic, it's not that easy
I used to believe that you cannot win as a system player because of maths.
Now I have a deeper realization that it is within reach to win despite the odds and probability. It was just a limited viewpoint.
Using your mind is a skill that can influence your results.
The General s friend :twisted: >:D
Guys anyone can suggest where i can practice live roulette spin for free just like RS. Not interested in RX. Something else. Thanks
Quote from: Madi on Sep 17, 05:04 PM 2018
Guys anyone can suggest where i can practice live roulette spin for free just like RS. Not interested in RX. Something else. Thanks
Yes, I've got a gazillion of them with dates etc.
Quote from: Kairomancer on Sep 17, 04:09 PM 2018
I used to believe that you cannot win as a system player because of maths.
Now I have a deeper realization that it is within reach to win despite the odds and probability. It was just a limited viewpoint.
Using your mind is a skill that can influence your results.
I wonder why it is that you, well really none of you, can beat the MPR?
Why do you suppose that is,? ::)
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 05:08 PM 2018
I wonder why it is that you, well really none of you, can beat the MPR?
Why do you suppose that is,? ::)
Do you have a dog in the fight, General? It's not your money is it? Or are you looking for something yourself? If I challenge you would it help my case with Steve?
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 05:06 PM 2018
Yes, I've got a gazillion of them with dates etc.
I dont need the spin . I need the generator which uses live data as input and let the player play
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 05:08 PM 2018
I wonder why it is that you, well really none of you, can beat the MPR?
Why do you suppose that is,? ::)
Dont you see that there are gazillion of complain about MPR coming every minute?
General
You better directly tell the people to you agenda. Rather than using this silly technique to convince people to your favour and working for you.
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 05:08 PM 2018
I wonder why it is that you, well really none of you, can beat the MPR?
Why do you suppose that is,? ::)
I have not played there yet.
Yet I see a few players performing well on the leaderboard. The best results are based usually on precognition or intuition.
Quote from: The General on Sep 17, 05:08 PM 2018
I wonder why it is that you, well really none of you, can beat the MPR?
Why do you suppose that is,? ::)
Show us how it’s done master General. Beat that MPR
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 17, 01:02 PM 2018Do worry too much about Steve and Caleb, while I have no doubt about their successes with roulette, they think they are helping and for the most part they are, they just need attitude adjustments.
Our attitude comes in response to answers like "I use multiple systems at the time, which is better than just one system. It makes me win more than I lose". Clearly you don't understand how backwards that is. I can't speak for Caleb, but I end up tearing my hair out at the stupidity. If you or anyone can demonstrate how this principle in any way helps, I'll eat my words. Instead of viable proof of concept, we'll just get more empty words and wild theories about how reality works.
After years of the same nonsense, and the truth being spelled out in clear English (which is either not understood, or ignored), and tests like 22 spins being considered "proof", are we supposed to not roll our eyes?
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 17, 01:36 PM 2018Each system doesnt have a negative expectation. I know exactly how much each system will win
More of the same.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 17, 01:36 PM 2018You worry about your playing. I'll take care of mine.
That's an awesome idea. But as long as you reveal incorrect, ignorant and potentially harmful theories on a public forum, expect people to correct you - for the benefit of others.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 17, 01:53 PM 2018your responses are so standard and predictable that I'm beginning to wonder whether you're some kind of chat bot
How many different ways is there to explain the same thing?
When people just arent getting it, and you're trying to help, all one can do is re-explain it.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 17, 02:27 PM 2018its our duty to point out those posters that have become obsolete
And perhaps it's other people's duty to call bullshit when they see it, then explain WHY it's bullshit - backed by clear evidence. Otherwise the bullshit grows perpetually.
Look, if you are winning real money, keep doing it. Good on you. But nobody should rely alone on anyone's word that they're winning, especially when their logic is so incredibly bad. I respond to the nonsense because it is nonsense, and I'd rather help people than let them believe things like random is random unless you split random into random, among the countless other ridiculous and unsubstantiated theories.
QuoteAnd perhaps it's other people's duty to call bullshit when they see it, then explain WHY it's bullshit - backed by clear evidence. Otherwise the bullshit grows perpetually.
Exactly!!!
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 17, 07:55 PM 2018Look, if you are winning real money, keep doing it. Good on you. But nobody should rely alone on anyone's word that they're winning, especially when their logic is so incredibly bad.
At least we agree on that. But since you keep mentioning bad logic, even if AP (I'm talking about traditional AP methods like bias & VB) is theoretically superior to systems, as a practical matter in today's casinos it doesn't follow that it's a viable approach. It's rather easy to find quite detailed descriptions of how to play these methods online. Here are two articles on bias and VB published by casinonewsdaily.com:
link:://:.casinonewsdaily.com/roulette-guide/visual-tracking-roulette/
link:://:.casinonewsdaily.com/roulette-guide/identifying-biased-roulette-wheels/
Now a cynic would probably say that this website is owned by a casino, but even if it isn't, casinos certainly endorse it because there are affiliate links everywhere. Every casino's primary objective is to get you to visit them and play as long as possible. And given that this information is freely available online, and supposing the methods actually work (under the right conditions), isn't it in the casino's best interests to make sure that those conditions never actualize? It's just common sense.
Ironically, you make the argument we should believe AP is better because the casinos are afraid of it, and so they take steps to prevent it. Where's the logic in that?
Now I expect you'll come back with all sorts of objections such as there are many other more sophisticated techniques the casinos don't know about, etc etc, and the "real" APers aren't going to make this available on a public website or forum. But a system player can make the same argument. You conclude that no systems can work because the only systems you've seen don't work.
And for anyone who wants to push the AP agenda, it has another advantage compared to systems : you can't prove that AP methods don't work in the way that you can prove systems don't work, because they use physical variables which have to be tracked and monitored under real casino conditions. If you want to show that a system doesn't work, all you need is enough spins to write a simulation, but you can't do this for AP methods based on physics, so they are insulated against criticism. We just have to take your word for it that they do work, and part with our money before we can test for ourselves.
Fantastic note there. Very logical and very true. End of the day casino gains. Anything else is just words and only that.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 18, 04:48 AM 2018If you want to show that a system doesn't work, all you need is enough spins to write a simulation, but you can't do this for AP methods based on physics, so they are insulated against criticism. We just have to take your word for it that they do work, and part with our money before we can test for ourselves.
All matter is in comparison and that to do is super easy, simply the same wheel must play two persons AP and system player. Both they predict one number or two numbers ( sometimes is necessary for AP cover two zones ) Which prediction is more near to the final result that gets more points, who collect more point in xx spins - that is the winner and accordingly that his method is better.
I have done such a test, not one time... :)
If you want the same test you can do even alone - simply take any video, write results as your prediction accordingly your system and calculate distance till winning number.
If average distance will be very similar to 9 - you play with negative expectation and to win in long run you cant. If average distance is smaller, for example, something like 7-6, or less - your bets are with positive expectation and to win you can.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 18, 12:18 AM 2018
Our attitude comes in response to answers like "I use multiple systems at the time, which is better than just one system. It makes me win more than I lose". Clearly you don't understand how backwards that is. I can't speak for Caleb, but I end up tearing my hair out at the stupidity. If you or anyone can demonstrate how this principle in any way helps, I'll eat my words. Instead of viable proof of concept, we'll just get more empty words and wild theories about how reality works.
Here is something you said in the mpr thread
There's also the potential of bias, which can appear as a slight data anomaly. Then if you cross reference it with anomalies related to dealer signature, the two pattern types can back each other up, which can be used to tell a player when a pattern is more likely to be legitimate, rather than coincidence.
How is that different from using two systems to corelate a play. Its the exact same thing I do, but for AP play its different?
After years of the same nonsense, and the truth being spelled out in clear English (which is either not understood, or ignored), and tests like 22 spins being considered "proof", are we supposed to not roll our eyes?
System stops at 22 spins, over 10,000 spins played. Read what I posted, not what your mind thought you saw.
But as long as you reveal incorrect, ignorant and potentially harmful theories on a public forum, expect people to correct you - for the benefit of others.
I post what works for me. Everyone is free to try what I do, or whatever anyone else posts. I'm not selling anything. I don't need to sell anything to make money. If I can help I will.
Look, if you are winning real money, keep doing it. Good on you. But nobody should rely alone on anyone's word that they're winning, especially when their logic is so incredibly bad. I respond to the nonsense because it is nonsense, and I'd rather help people than let them believe things like random is random unless you split random into random, among the countless other ridiculous and unsubstantiated theories.
I agree no one should rely on word of mouth. You say your teams are winning with your computers, yet you don't provide any proof. I've only heard one thing about your computers and it wasn't a good thing.
Here is something you said in the mpr thread
There's also the potential of bias, which can appear as a slight data anomaly. Then if you cross reference it with anomalies related to dealer signature, the two pattern types can back each other up, which can be used to tell a player when a pattern is more likely to be legitimate, rather than coincidence.
How is that different from using two systems to corelate a play. Its the exact same thing I do, but for AP play its different?
Sorry for the possible duplicate posts, I quoted from my phone.
QuoteIronically, you make the argument we should believe AP is better because the casinos are afraid of it, and so they take steps to prevent it. Where's the logic in that?
Have you ever in history found a news story or risk consultant talking about a system that was beating the game of roulette and reporting or warning the casinos about it? ::)
However such information is out there about proven AP methods, visual ballistics and wheel bias.
Quote. You conclude that no systems can work because the only systems you've seen don't work.
It's called common sense, logic, and math. It's very easy to handily prove most systems won't work without testing them. By the way, the earth isn't flat either, but we can save that argument for later.
QuoteAnd for anyone who wants to push the AP agenda, it has another advantage compared to systems : you can't prove that AP methods don't work in the way that you can prove systems don't work, because they use physical variables which have to be tracked and monitored under real casino conditions. If you want to show that a system doesn't work, all you need is enough spins to write a simulation, but you can't do this for AP methods based on physics, so they are insulated against criticism. We just have to take your word for it that they do work, and part with our money before we can test for ourselves.
Yes you can. For example you can run simulations on wheel bias. You can also run simulations on the data points for VB. There's also prove of concept. To disprove most systems we don't even need to run simulations. We can just use common sense. We encourage you to run simulations for your benefit, not ours. ::)
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 18, 11:09 AM 2018
Here is something you said in the mpr thread
There's also the potential of bias, which can appear as a slight data anomaly. Then if you cross reference it with anomalies related to dealer signature, the two pattern types can back each other up, which can be used to tell a player when a pattern is more likely to be legitimate, rather than coincidence.
How is that different from using two systems to corelate a play. Its the exact same thing I do, but for AP play its different?
Dealer's signature falls under ballistics. It's not really a system. Yes, the player can theoretically get a very small edge with it at times. It's not in anyway the same as other roulette systems because it's not designed to beat the game, but rather the wheel. Systems designed to beat the wheel/dealer make sense and should be encouraged. However systems designed to try and beat the game are a fool's folly.
Quote from: The General on Sep 18, 12:39 PM 2018
Dealer's signature falls under ballistics. It's not really a system. Yes, the player can theoretically get a very small edge with it at times. It's not in anyway the same as other roulette systems because it's not designed to beat the game, but rather the wheel. Systems designed to beat the wheel/dealer make sense and should be encouraged. However systems designed to try and beat the game are a fool's folly.
Have you ever listened to yourself? We are all trying beat the roulette game. The wheel is the RNG part of the game, the dealer is the operator of the RNG. Its all part of the game. What you are saying is basically instead of chauffeur driving a car for you, you are trying to beat him by predicting which way he will turn.
We are all beating the roulette game. Why is always a large bunch of doublespeak? Are you all so full of shit that verbal diarrhea come out?
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 18, 01:38 PM 2018
Have you ever listened to yourself? We are all trying beat the roulette game. The wheel is the RNG part of the game, the dealer is the operator of the RNG. Its all part of the game. What you are saying is basically instead of chauffeur driving a car for you, you are trying to beat him by predicting which way he will turn.
We are all beating the roulette game. Why is always a large bunch of doublespeak? Are you all so full of shit that verbal diarrhea come out?
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Again, trying to beat the random game of roulette is foolish. It has been mathematically proven time and time again that it's simply not possible.
However, trying to beat the non random gaming device/dealer is possible and it has been done countless times since the invention of the game.
Attempt to design systems around the wheel!
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 18, 01:38 PM 2018
Have you ever listened to yourself? We are all trying beat the roulette game. The wheel is the RNG part of the game, the dealer is the operator of the RNG. Its all part of the game. What you are saying is basically instead of chauffeur driving a car for you, you are trying to beat him by predicting which way he will turn.
We are all beating the roulette game. Why is always a large bunch of doublespeak? Are you all so full of shit that verbal diarrhea come out?
nimo,
RNG is not roulette.
physics rules apply to wheels not to Rng.
nobody can beat RNG except hackers. Wheels can be beaten.. i am beating it daily!
give up on RNG! you are looping in an endless circle. Believe me!
Cheers
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Sep 18, 02:07 PM 2018
nimo,
RNG is not roulette.
physics rules apply to wheels not to Rng.
nobody can beat RNG except hackers. Wheels can be beaten.. i am beating it daily!
give up on RNG! you are looping in an endless circle. Believe me!
Cheers
The roulette wheel was created to provide numbers randomly. It is still a random number generator. RNG stands for random number generator. It is a tool within the roulette game. The game includes the layout mat, and the croupier. If I am at a wheel and an AP player is at a wheel, he notices a bias on the section of
0, 32 so he places chips on them. I have a system that plays only those two numbers, we are still both trying to beat the game. The game not the wheel, you can have a wheel and without the other components its just a dead weight.
Nimo
I am so tired after long working day - but I will be nice to you and try to explain you some facts related to roulette.
Actually on a physical wheel, you have a physical concept/ model. The concept is input+ delta = output.
Input and delta represents many variables such as launch point, ball speeds and wheel acceleration.
RNG has a different model, specifically there is a predefined model in it, a predefined model or concept is extremely hard to be broken, yes you can reverse engineer it but that’s a different story.
QuoteThe roulette wheel was created to provide numbers randomly.
True, but it doesn't. Every wheel is biased to some degree. Some can even be exploited.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on Sep 18, 02:35 PM 2018
Nimo
I am so tired after long working day - but I will be nice to you and try to explain you some facts related to roulette.
Actually on a physical wheel, you have a physical concept/ model. The concept is input+ delta = output.
Input and delta represents many variables such as launch point, ball speeds and wheel acceleration.
RNG has a different model, specifically there is a predefined model in it, a predefined model or concept is extremely hard to be broken, yes you can reverse engineer it but that’s a different story.
Thank you for being nice. I'm sorry that you had a long work day.
I understand the physical and seed generated difference very well. I was making a point about the double rhetoric. AP players always say they are beating the wheel not the game. Unless they take a baseball bat and take a swing at it, they are not beating the wheel at all, its a tool that just sits there waiting for itself to be spun, have a b
all thrown on, rotated a
And have the ball land in a pocket. All the while placing chips on a layout to indicate where they think the ball will fall into a pocket. Its the game they are trying to beat, not the wheel. The wheel without the other components is like I said a dead weight. I know I'm taking things to a literal level, however I feel its justified by the elitist attitude AP players present.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 18, 04:48 AM 2018even if AP (I'm talking about traditional AP methods like bias & VB) is theoretically superior to systems
Just theoretically? Or verifiable and clear?
Quote from: Joe on Sep 18, 04:48 AM 2018as a practical matter in today's casinos it doesn't follow that it's a viable approach
Unfortunately you've got no idea and havent been paying attention.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 18, 04:48 AM 2018Here are two articles on bias and VB published by casinonewsdaily.com:
You're referring to an online casino affiliate, where the webmaster has added pieces of second-hand information, to get traffic and promote his affiliate links. The information is vague and simplistic.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 18, 04:48 AM 2018Now a cynic would probably say that this website is owned by a casino, but even if it isn't, casinos certainly endorse it because there are affiliate links everywhere.
The casino doesn't give a rats ass where clicks come from. Affiliate links are on porn sites too. Maybe casinos endorse them too.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 18, 04:48 AM 2018isn't it in the casino's best interests to make sure that those conditions never actualize? It's just common sense.
Sure, it's called casino "game protection" and "countermeasures". The problem for casinos is it's nearly impossible to perfectly do everything they need to make AP too difficult or impractical. Especially roulette is particular vulnerable because it's far more difficult to ensure truly unpredictable spins than it is to achieve slightly accurate predictions.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 18, 04:48 AM 2018Ironically, you make the argument we should believe AP is better because the casinos are afraid of it, and so they take steps to prevent it. Where's the logic in that?
As above, but that's only part of it. Unfortunately you've really got no idea.
I'll give you another example. To make roulette computers obsolete, the casino only needs to close bets before the wheel spins. Easy, huh? Why do most casinos allow late betting then? It's because many players like to bet late, and leaving betting open for longer means more average players bet, and the casino maximizes revenue.
Only IF a player is suspected of VB or computers do casinos close bets earlier. But a competent team avoids detection, and can win large sums while making it look like luck.
I could give many other examples but again you really dont know about this.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 18, 04:48 AM 2018But a system player can make the same argument.
No because an AP can give clear evidence. Whereas a system player's evidence is a mess of bad understanding and incorrect logic, which is easily verified although they tend not to understand.... like for example, "changing systems mid-play gives me a better chance of winning, because no singe system will ever go bust". Sorry, Earth is round.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 18, 04:48 AM 2018You conclude that no systems can work because the only systems you've seen don't work.
No, I'm saying most of the principles systems use don't work. Like waiting for 10 reds then betting black because it's "due". You can laugh at such bad logic, but you dont understand most systems are just as bad. But they are more complicated, so the player doesnt understand he's doing the same losing crap, just repackaged.
I cant be bothered responding to the rest of your message. Use whatever system you want, good luck, eventually you might understand what is being said.
I have no interest in turning anyone to AP. I couldnt give two shits about it, the same way I dont care if flat Earthers think Earth is flat. My interest here is explaining reality to help people avoid the classic mistakes, which is obviously not being understood by some. If you dont like AP who cares.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 18, 10:50 AM 2018You say your teams are winning with your computers, yet you don't provide any proof. I've only heard one thing about your computers and it wasn't a good thing.
1. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here, except why particular approaches don't work. I dont care what you think you know about my technology and what I do.
2. You would do better by knowing for yourself, rather than believing everything you read. Anyone serious is aware of the bullshit said about my computers. And anyone serious finds out for themselves by seeing a demo on any wheel they want, and testing for themselves. Then the lies about the computers count for nothing.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 18, 11:09 AM 2018Here is something you said in the mpr thread
There's also the potential of bias, which can appear as a slight data anomaly. Then if you cross reference it with anomalies related to dealer signature, the two pattern types can back each other up, which can be used to tell a player when a pattern is more likely to be legitimate, rather than coincidence.
How is that different from using two systems to corelate a play. Its the exact same thing I do, but for AP play its different?
It's different because if your system doesn't work, you wont make it better by pairing it with another system that doesnt work. In other words, 0 + 0 still = 0.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 18, 08:57 PM 2018
You're referring to an online casino affiliate, where the webmaster has added pieces of second-hand information, to get traffic and promote his affiliate links. The information is vague and simplistic.
Vague and simplistic? You've got to be kidding. Read all the articles in the section on Beating Roulette, it's amazingly detailed. Biased wheels and wheelhead speed, ball bouncing and switching, frets, pocket pads and wheel leveling, roulette computers, etc etc.
QuoteThe casino doesn't give a rats ass where clicks come from. Affiliate links are on porn sites too. Maybe casinos endorse them too.
This is just flat out wrong. You have to apply to be an affiliate and get the benefit of links, and your site has to be vetted first. You should know that because you have affiliate links on your site.
QuoteSure, it's called casino "game protection" and "countermeasures". The problem for casinos is it's nearly impossible to perfectly do everything they need to make AP too difficult or impractical. Especially roulette is particular vulnerable because it's far more difficult to ensure truly unpredictable spins than it is to achieve slightly accurate predictions.
Ok, fair enough, I'll give you that, and in fact the articles above imply that this is true. The issue is how much work does it involve to (a) find suitable wheels and conditions, and (b) actually make a consistent profit. You yourself have said that the hardest part is to remain undetected.
QuoteI'll give you another example. To make roulette computers obsolete, the casino only needs to close bets before the wheel spins. Easy, huh? Why do most casinos allow late betting then? It's because many players like to bet late, and leaving betting open for longer means more average players bet, and the casino maximizes revenue.
Online casinos don't allow betting after the ball is spun, and in B & M casinos they can take all kinds of counter-measures such as changing ball types and speed. Add to that the fact that VB doesn't work unless there is some bias in the first place. Sure it can be done, but how much skill and experience does it take? and all the time casinos are wising-up and opportunities are shrinking.
QuoteOnly IF a player is suspected of VB or computers do casinos close bets earlier. But a competent team avoids detection, and can win large sums while making it look like luck.
And that's the other thing; you really need a team to succeed. On your site you imply that an individual can make good money without too much effort. That's just not realistic.
QuoteNo, I'm saying most of the principles systems use don't work. Like waiting for 10 reds then betting black because it's "due". You can laugh at such bad logic, but you dont understand most systems are just as bad. But they are more complicated, so the player doesnt understand he's doing the same losing crap, just repackaged.
In general I agree, but not
all systems can be dismissed.
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I have no interest in turning anyone to AP.
Steve, this is nonsense. Of course you do, your website is all about trying to persuade people that AP is the only way and that systems are crap and don't work, because you're selling computers and AP based systems. It's just good marketing and nothing wrong with it; it's up to people to judge your words and do their own research. You may have good independent reasons for believing that systems are useless but they do represent a kind of competition in a way, and it makes sense to put a positive spin (excuse pun) on your wares and discredit the competition. It's perfectly obvious and you're insulting people's intelligence by denying it.
Quote from: The General on Sep 18, 12:17 PM 2018Yes you can. For example you can run simulations on wheel bias. You can also run simulations on the data points for VB. There's also prove of concept.
What a pointless exercise. Simulations of wheel bias and VB don't tell you anything about whether such opportunities actually exist and where to find them. ::)
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 04:04 AM 2018
Steve, this is nonsense. Of course you do, your website is all about trying to persuade people that AP is the only way and that systems are crap and don't work, because you're selling computers and AP based systems. It's just good marketing and nothing wrong with it; it's up to people to judge your words and do their own research. You may have good independent reasons for believing that systems are useless but they do represent a kind of competition in a way, and it makes sense to put a positive spin (excuse pun) on your wares and discredit the competition. It's perfectly obvious and you're insulting people's [normal honest folks] intelligence by denying it.
Excellent post(up among the best contributions) that you took the trouble to write.
Thanks luckyfella, If I carry on like this I'll probably be banned, but I don't care. I call a spade a spade and there are other roulette forums. ;-)
Quote from: Steve on Sep 18, 09:06 PM 2018
It's different because if your system doesn't work, you wont make it better by pairing it with another system that doesnt work. In other words, 0 + 0 still = 0.
At least you said if, not doesn't outright, at least I read and comprehend every word, rather than gloss over, cherry pick and twist words to suit my agenda. I don't share all I do on the forum, many others don't either so you don't know what systems I or others use.
You still can't say combining two systems is not the same as combining two AP methods without knowing all the details.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 19, 04:35 AM 2018
At least you said if, not doesn't outright, at least I read and comprehend every word, rather than gloss over, cherry pick and twist words to suit my agenda. I don't share all I do on the forum, many others don't either so you don't know what systems I or others use.
You still can't say combining two systems is not the same as combining two AP methods without knowing all the details.
That's the point.
I can appreciate that people come to their nay opinion based on what they read on forums, books and youtube.
The best systems works are never exposed to the public eye. They are unlike those seen in the public sphere mainly in that the basis of design is logical math based, the rigorous depth of study and the finer detail that the design is made.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 19, 04:35 AM 2018
at least I read and comprehend every word, rather than gloss over, cherry pick and twist words to suit my agenda.
Spot on. He's not doing himself any favors, everyone can see through it and it smacks of desperation.
Joe, that's a very shortsighted and presumptuous post.
When an expert writes a book explaining what they know is true, does that mean what they share for free on a public forum is incorrect or they don't really believe it?
Does their efforts to explain truth to people constitute an effort to sell books?
Is anyone who substantiates the expert's claims, but is not selling anything (like say.. the whole world of professionals), probably paid secretly by the expert?
When the expert is genuinely trying to undo harm from ignorance, does that mean hes trying to turn the ignorant lost ones, or help people avoid believing nonsense? Or maybe he is just trying to sell sell sell, with his educated minions that he pays to agree with him?
I'll address your post more thoroughly later. Not everyone puts money before honesty. Not everyone is desperate for money.
Get the correct facts(2013).
link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjwGveB1-A
trash video
taotie, why is it trash? This is the future, casinos are going to invest more and more in such advanced tech. It just makes economic sense. Such tables might currently be expensive, but prices will come down quickly, and how much money will casinos save by not having to pay their staff to do all this monitoring and maintenance manually?
Quote from: Steve on Sep 19, 04:52 AM 2018
When an expert writes a book explaining what they know is true, does that mean what they share for free on a public forum is incorrect or they don't really believe it?
Does their efforts to explain truth to people constitute an effort to sell books?
Is anyone who substantiates the expert's claims, but is not selling anything (like say.. the whole world of professionals), probably paid secretly by the expert?
When the expert is genuinely trying to undo harm from ignorance, does that mean hes trying to turn the ignorant lost ones, or help people avoid believing nonsense? Or maybe he is just trying to sell sell sell, with his educated minions that he pays to agree with him?
Steve, what's irritating is that you have a habit of misrepresenting and twisting other's posts to suit your agenda. I said quite clearly that you may have independent reasons for not generally endorsing systems (although you do say you're not closed-minded about them, which seems inconsistent to me), so I'm not suggesting that none of your advice represents a genuine desire to inform people of what you sincerely believe to be true. Your motives may indeed be "pure" in that sense, and not driven by sales, but you're certainly not impartial and objective, and to say that you "have no interest in turning anyone to AP" is just ridiculous. It would have been more honest to say "I'm biased, but at the same time here are my reasons X, Y, and Z for believing that AP is the way to go".
And I don't really know what to make of your claim that you haven't ruled out the possibility of a winning system being possible. You say it but then immediately dismiss any claims that people are winning with them, and that it must be luck, not enough testing, ignorance etc. In other words, you're patronizing and insulting. The general is more consistent and denies that any system can ever win, even in theory. I'll say this for him; at least you know where you stand. You seem to be not quite sure of where you are on the matter. Maybe you're hedging your bets, but in that case why don't your posts reflect this uncertainty? When pushed, you come down hard on the side of AP, which tends to make people think you're really thinking about sales.
Nice story, read it first !
One day in a casino having a very good run with an excellent dealer. This story apparently happened in Vegas, The dealer was a single mum and related her financial struggles to Mr Packer. Packer at one point tried to tip the dealer over $100,000, which would’ve paid off her mortgage. The dealer explained that she couldn’t take tips. Packer turned to the game supervisor and told him to fire the dealer. The supervisor, not wanting to lose one of the biggest players in the world to his casino, had no option but to fire the dealer. The dealer gets very upset and starts to cry. Packer motions to her, pushes around $120,000 in chips towards her, instructs her to go to the cage, get a cheque for the amount of the chips made out in her name, and return to the table. The dealer, by now very confused, does exactly what she’s told. She returns to the table, Packer says to the game supervisor “Now, re-hire this dealer !†which he does without batting an eyelid
Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 19, 05:47 AM 2018
Get the correct facts(2013).
link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjwGveB1-A
Ha! Let me tell you about the wonderful self leveling system on live roulette wheels. I freaking love them!
Dominant ball drops form because of warped aprons, track wears, uneven finish, deflectors poorly placed, and lastly because a wheel may be off level. When a wheel has a dominant ball drop because of the apron or track, the self leveling mechanism does a fabulous job of locking in and keeping a consistently strong dominant drop.
In short, the self leveling mechanism is one of the best inventions since the readerboards. :xd:
Quote from: JoeIn general I agree, but not all systems can be dismissed.
Joe,
Which one do you feel is the exception? Why do you suppose it is that we never see any reports of someone winning with systems, but their are several reports of people winning using known AP methods? ::)
Quote from: Joetaotie, why is it trash? This is the future, casinos are going to invest more and more in such advanced tech. It just makes economic sense. Such tables might currently be expensive, but prices will come down quickly, and how much money will casinos save by not having to pay their staff to do all this monitoring and maintenance manually?
You really don't have much experience inside a casino, operations, or what really takes place behind the scenes. Casinos are not the well run well oiled operations that you think they are. Many are often very inefficient and are run more like the local parks and recreations dept rather than the "millitary like operation" that many people think they are. Further more it's stupid to waste so much money on gimmicks that do little if anything to increase profits for the casino.
Please send help. The broken record keeps repeating
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Please send help. The broken record keeps repeating
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Agree shut this forum down its useless.you have Steve and the General that could give a shit about systems but they both love a system forum .
Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why.
They take us for idiots.
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 09:46 AM 2018You really don't have much experience inside a casino, operations, or what really takes place behind the scenes. Casinos are not the well run well oiled operations that you think they are. Many are often very inefficient and are run more like the local parks and recreations dept rather than the "millitary like operation" that many people think they are. Further more it's stupid to waste so much money on gimmicks that do little if anything to increase profits for the casino.
As usual, you guys cherry pick and ignore what doesn't suit you. There was a lot more in the description of that wheel than self-leveling, but you're such geniuses apparently nothing stops you from cleaning up. I suppose you can also beat random rotor speed wheels. The casinos are no match for you, they might as well just hand over the chips without you even playing. ::)
Quote from: Joe. I suppose you can also beat random rotor speed wheels.
Yes, I like this invention as well.
1. The feature is negated because many dealers still wave off bets too late in the spin because they're led to believe the system makes the wheel unbeatable by ballistics.
2. The feature had an unforeseen effect on the wheel that created a new type of bias as well.
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 09:46 AM 2018Joe,
Which one do you feel is the exception?
Why do you suppose it is that we never see any reports of someone winning with systems, but their are several reports of people winning using known AP methods? ::)
Well for starters, I count my "system" as one of the exceptions. I always keep a record of my bets and will post a chart showing the last few weeks results tomorrow. I say "system" in quotes because it's not entirely mechanical. And yes I know of at least one punter who has been banned for playing his system. It was reported in the press a few years ago.
Quote from: JoeWell for starters, I count my "system" as one of the exceptions. I always keep a record of my bets and will post a chart showing the last few weeks results tomorrow. I say "system" in quotes because it's not entirely mechanical. And yes I know of at least one punter who has been banned for playing his system. It was reported in the press a few years ago.
A chart showing your system's success? That's goofy.
Just explain the fundamentals of the system. That's all you need to do.
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 02:54 PM 2018
A chart showing your system's success? That's goofy.
Whats wrong with one chart? You upload only one chart showing broken wheel exist even these spin could be your home made.
And why should someone handed their working fundamentals? Lots of people here is smart enough.
Quote from: Winner on Sep 19, 11:32 AM 2018
Agree shut this forum down its useless.you have Steve and the General that could give a shit about systems but they both love a system forum .
QuoteAgree shut this forum down its useless.you have Steve and the General that could give a shit about systems but they both love a system forum .
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Instead of trying to build and design systems to beat the random game why don't you build systems to beat the wheel?
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 04:56 PM 2018
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Instead of trying to build and design systems to beat the random game why don't you build systems to beat the wheel?
Beating the wheel is easy, I have a nice Louisville slugger bat. No problem. You probably meant game though, since a wheel is useless without the ball, layout and croupier
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 04:56 PM 2018Instead of trying to build and design systems to beat the random game why don't you build systems to beat the wheel
How come you always refer to the roulette game as random, then tell us how all wheels are biased?
Quote from: The General on Sep 18, 03:17 PM 2018
Every wheel is biased to some degree.
How can the game be random if all the wheels arnt?
You sound confused
To quote the Big Kahuna (thats you by the way) "The Random Game" is an
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QuoteHow come you always refer to the roulette game as random, then tell us how all wheels are biased?
QuoteHow can the game be random if all the wheels arnt?
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Ignoring any bias on the wheel and chasing the game on the layout while playing the electronic version.
Quote from: The General on Sep 19, 06:45 PM 2018
Ignoring any bias on the wheel and chasing the game on the layout while playing the electronic version.
WTF?
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Answer the question or Ill start talking about your book again.
Paper Pulp Fiction....its genius, even if I say it myself :thumbsup:
why cant you like your own posts?
Quote from: Turner on Sep 19, 07:28 PM 2018
why cant you like your own posts?
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I know right!
Quote from: The General on Sep 18, 12:17 PM 2018Have you ever in history found a news story or risk consultant talking about a system that was beating the game of roulette and reporting or warning the casinos about it?
Nope. I wonder why.
Quote from: The General on Sep 18, 12:17 PM 2018However such information is out there about proven AP methods, visual ballistics and wheel bias.
Entire companies exist to combat AP.., obviously because it's not viable?
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 18, 02:19 PM 2018The roulette wheel was created to provide numbers randomly. It is still a random number generator.
No. It's physical equipment with predictable physics.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 18, 02:19 PM 2018If I am at a wheel and an AP player is at a wheel, he notices a bias on the section of 0, 32 so he places chips on them. I have a system that plays only those two numbers, we are still both trying to beat the game.
If you're referring to "hot numbers", that's not what bias analysis is. You might make the same bets as a bias player in some cases. But you're not understanding bias often manifests only in specific conditions, that a "hot numbers" player would not correlate in analysis. And such a bias would not appear as a hot number - without correlation with variables. it may appear as numbers with normal frequency.
There's a lot to it, but here's a very simple example: "hot numbers" don’t take into account rotor direction. A bias player segregates rotor direction and may find specific numbers are biased only for one direction.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 18, 02:19 PM 2018The game not the wheel, you can have a wheel and without the other components its just a dead weight.
The main part that determines the winning number is dead weight?
Joe, below is what you said. It appears your point was casinos endorsed vague information about AP, which suggests AP is not viable:
Quote from: Joe on Sep 18, 04:48 AM 2018Now a cynic would probably say that this website is owned by a casino, but even if it isn't, casinos certainly endorse it because there are affiliate links everywhere.
And my argument is the casino doesn't give a crap about vague explanations about beating roulette. They care about traffic and new players. Vetting websites is primarily to ensure a clean reputation.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 04:04 AM 2018Vague and simplistic? You've got to be kidding.
The material is incomplete snippets of other material. Some of it is copied from my material which is clear because I'm the only one who said things he repeats. The pages are a vague outline of what players need to know to succeed. It appears detailed to you because you don’t know better.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 04:04 AM 2018The issue is how much work does it involve to (a) find suitable wheels and conditions, and (b) actually make a consistent profit.
The average player needs to scout a bit for optimal conditions, but rarely do players find it difficult. It depends on factors like nearby casinos, the casino's procedures, number of wheels to choose from etc. That's with reasonably advanced AP, no computers.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 04:04 AM 2018Online casinos don't allow betting after the ball is spun
Some do, but most don't because the VB & computer players would eventually exploit them. For example, blackorchidcasino.com previously allowed late bets, then a few of my teams won large sums. Now bets are closed much earlier. There are still a few online casinos that allow late betting, but generally we don't bother with online casinos since too many of them refused payouts.
Land-based casinos don't so readily close bets early. This is because they feel safer by being able to physically see players. They will still close bets earlier if they suspect an AP, but normal procedures resume when they leave.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 04:04 AM 2018B & M casinos they can take all kinds of counter-measures such as changing ball types and speed
Is it because they're worried about the trot? Sure, casinos take countermeasures, and most of them are ineffective or not effective enough.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 04:04 AM 2018Add to that the fact that VB doesn't work unless there is some bias in the first place.
Actually dominant diamonds are not needed for an edge. Scatter is much more important, but I don't normally explain the details because most people wouldn't understand the details anyway.
If VB is applied on a wheel with no dominant diamond, an edge might only be possible if the player isolated play to spins only with a suitable rotor speed range. This is because of overlaps. It would also depend on the wheel and ball.
Assuming the wheel was everything the manufacturer advertised, the biggest issue is that the edge would be lower than a wheel with strong dominant diamonds, perhaps to a point where it's impractical to play for VB (4% edge). This is still an edge, but the player would need to make single number bets to avoid detection. And the diversionary bets would around halve their edge. Also you'd need to skip unsuitable rotor speeds. 2% is still profitable. But compared to 15% edge on the wheel a few tables over, why bother.
Another problem with lower edges is you need a lot more data to confirm you actually have an edge. You waste time just to know. It's just easier to find more suitable wheels.
You can get an edge on almost every wheel, one way or another. But few roulette player will waste time on a 2% edge unless they have ample time, no better options, higher stakes, and can covertly execute play over longer periods of time. One example is exploiting touch bet roulette because they are poorly monitored. But still there are much better options so most roulette APs wouldn't bother with difficult wheels.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 04:04 AM 2018Sure it can be done, but how much skill and experience does it take?
Actually not a lot. The average intelligent person can learn basic VB in minutes. More advanced methods take a few days to become competent with. Also understand some conditions are easy to win in, and some require advanced methods and understanding. There are many variables, but generally it does not take super-human skill or effort. Most of all, it can take time.
But still most players don't have what it takes. As a generalization, if you're accustomed to systems like the martingale, you'll probably find AP complicated and difficult, and you probably wont ever be interested in AP. Alternately, if you have realistic expectations of time and effort, and a good work ethic, you'll probably find nothing too difficult about it. Again it also depends on the conditions you play in.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 04:04 AM 2018and all the time casinos are wising-up and opportunities are shrinking.
Generally true. But change is slow. I expect AP will still be viable for roulette for at least 5+ years. In the past 20 years it has barely changed. There are some new technologies to combat AP but they are still very rare. That's probably because out of 5,000 players, maybe 1 player is an AP and threat to the casino. Who knows what the actual ratio would be, but clearly most players are typical losing system players.
Casinos know about AP. It's just an accepted risk and threat for casinos. But most people are too lazy for AP. Casinos follow procedures to react to AP if detected, although most are lazy about it. Why would they freak out about APs when losing players may earn a casino $500,000 in a night, and an APs may win $5000? Because if an AP slips through the cracks, and pushes hard with large bets, they can do a lot of damage.
Team play is definitely best. Ultimately because it reduces the amount of time any individual player needs to dedicate. Even with VB or computer play..... a single player can just bet on single numbers. It's fine, but more tedious. They'll have a high edge, but to guarantee profit they'll need to play much longer than a team that can cover 15 numbers in a spin, and win on almost every spin (this means less time playing).
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 04:04 AM 2018In general I agree, but not all systems can be dismissed.
Again, I'm not dismissing all systems. When someone says "I bet hot numbers, because they're on a roll. Everyone follow my HG.", am I supposed to shut my mouth? Watch carefully. I don't criticize methods unless I know enough about them to know why they may fail. And then I'll explain it, and explain how everyone can verify it for themselves.
Joe, this is what I said:
Quote from: Steve on Sep 18, 09:04 PM 2018I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything here, except why particular approaches don't work
Why do you respond, Joe? What are you selling?
I'm not at all considering my products when I explain why an approach fails. It's the same reason I argued Earth is round - I don't like ignorance. I couldn’t give a rats ass if you or anyone doesn't like the idea of AP. Likewise, I don’t care if a few nutjobs think Earth is flat, but I may still respond to them of they keep insisting their proof is irrefutable.
APs and reasonable people consider my technology. They are quite a different to typical system players. They are not the type of people who even consider my technology, nor am i interested in trying to convert anyone - only to explain plain truth to whoever wants to learn.
If my focus was "selling", I'd be selling typical systems because AP is far less popular. People buy what they want, not what they need.
You say that insults your intelligence. Sorry,it is how it is.
Quote from: Nimo on Sep 19, 04:35 AM 2018You still can't say combining two systems is not the same as combining two AP methods without knowing all the details.
Watch carefully. I do not criticize a system without knowing enough to explain why it wont work. You dont understand my point so i'll elaborate....
If two systems achieve no edge by themselves, you cannot combine them to achieve an edge.
Combining AP is different. One example is combining VB and bias analysis.
VB by itself may give 10% edge, and Bias gives 3%. We could just use both methods together, but that just gives a 3% edge and 10% edge separately.
Combining them in the way I explained (correlation) would involve
betting only the biased numbers when VB indicated the ball will at least land near the biased number. This would exclude the spins where the ball didn't even touch the biased pockets, and therefore maximize the edge. This would make the separate edges cumulative, and perhaps 12% or so. It's just a simplistic example. There's a lot more to it.
Let's say we played RNG using 2 systems, involving the "law of a third" and "hot numbers". Both systems have no impact at all. Any winnings are just chance, like you can win with random bets too. Now if you combine crap with crap, you're left with crap.
The logic explained by whoever it was didnt even make sense. It has no foundation. Just empty theory.
Maybe you're combining systems that actually work. That would be fine. But if you are combining crap with crap, you'll get crap.
Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 19, 05:47 AM 2018
Get the correct facts(2013).
link:s://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjwGveB1-A
What a lovely but misleading sales piece from Abbiati. Automatic leveling systems are quite over-rated. But first, I especially liked the part they said about delaying winning number display, to increase bettor enthusiasm. In other words they deliberately manipulate you. Kind of like the "hot number" displays.
Dominant diamonds are caused by ball track deformations as much as tilt. If a dominant diamond occurs due to ball track deformations, you could observe every spin and carefully adjust the wheel to even out the spread of diamond hits (like an auto leveling system).
This attempts to compensate for ball track deformations, which actually puts the wheel on an artificial tilt rather than leveling it.The effect is that when the ball falls in certain regions, the bounce is more predictable. This has virtually the same effect as a dominant diamond, except the casino is lured into believing their level wheel is unbeatable.This shows what I mean for two drop-points, but the effect occurs for all drop points. Basically level or not, if the ball track has imperfections (which they almost always do), the ball will fall in a slightly different way, and affect the predictability of the bounce (F = where the ball falls, and B = where the ball bounces/ Blue is one fall point, and yellow is the other). Notice how the scatter is tighter and more predictable for blue. See below:
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Some of the differences in ball fall may be the part of the diamond hit, the speed at which the ball falls, and the trajectory of the ball when it hits the rotor.
Another effect of trying to correct a wheel with deformed ball track is, in particularly on slow rotors, you can estimate rotor orientation at the end of the spin and exploit bias. The attempted correction for ball fall points makes the rotor unlevel. And if you know rotor orientation at a critical time in the spin, you've got a good chance of an edge because the ball will favor certain regions. This is because the ball will naturally more likely come to rest in the lower part of the rotor. See below:
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Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 06:17 AM 2018This is the future, casinos are going to invest more and more in such advanced tech. It just makes economic sense. Such tables might currently be expensive, but prices will come down quickly, and how much money will casinos save by not having to pay their staff to do all this monitoring and maintenance manually?
Roulette has barely changed in the past 20 years. Casino equipment is made primarily to sell, not do everything it can to protect casinos.
Sure casinos are getting smarter, and their technology is getting better. Hasn't been a problem yet.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 07:40 AM 2018I'm not suggesting that none of your advice represents a genuine desire to inform people of what you sincerely believe to be true. Your motives may indeed be "pure" in that sense, and not driven by sales
Regardless, like I keep saying, attack the message, not the messenger.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 07:40 AM 2018It would have been more honest to say "I'm biased, but at the same time here are my reasons X, Y, and Z for believing that AP is the way to go".
My focus on the truth is bias? I am not biased. I simply don’t believe in fairies, unless you show me something tangible to prove they exist.
I especially don't believe something to be true, when we have clear evidence to the contrary. Am i supposed to ignore evidence like the law of a third changing nothing, and is just normal statistics because the more numbers that spin, the more likely they'll repeat?
Is understanding bias? Or is it just understanding?
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 07:40 AM 2018And I don't really know what to make of your claim that you haven't ruled out the possibility of a winning system being possible.
Do we know everything in this universe?
Is it reasonable to believe something when the proof clearly demonstrates it is untrue?How can I make it clearer? When a system player comes here claiming to have the HG, I begin skeptical, but with an open mind. I ask them about the working principle. And if they explain it, and if it's a principle I already know fails, I'll explain why.
That doesn't mean nobody will come up with something new. Haven't you noticed me encouraging new approaches?
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 07:40 AM 2018You say it but then immediately dismiss any claims that people are winning with them, and that it must be luck, not enough testing, ignorance etc. In other words, you're patronizing and insulting.
Listen to what is being said, check the information for yourself, and you'll understand the relevance of what I say. Yes, some people consider fair criticism and clear explanations to be insulting. That's not my fault. They need to grow up and understand explaining the truth is not personal.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 07:40 AM 2018Maybe you're hedging your bets, but in that case why don't your posts reflect this uncertainty?
No, it's simpler. Just like I explained.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 07:40 AM 2018When pushed, you come down hard on the side of AP, which tends to make people think you're really thinking about sales.
I come down on the side of "if you don't win more than 1 in 35, you will just eventually lose". Are you really going to argue this point?
AP is just the term casinos gave to play that exploits the mechanism that determines game outcomes. In roulette, it's the wheel. Forgive me for understanding the problem players must overcome, thinking logically, then sharing the understanding.
Quote from: Winner on Sep 19, 11:32 AM 2018Agree shut this forum down its useless.you have Steve and the General that could give a shit about systems but they both love a system forum .
Perhaps toughen up and understand some people call bullshit when they see it. Or if you prefer, go to the "system player's only" forum, where no AP is allowed to tell you about the reality of the gaming industry. We wouldn't want to upset you. Here: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?board=108.0
But if you don't mind being challenged when you've made a mistake, the main boards will be more beneficial for you.
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Sep 19, 11:50 AM 2018Doesn’t take a genius to figure out why. They take us for idiots.
Earth is flat. Hot numbers lose casinos billions. The key to winning is don't play too long. Lots of HGs at RS. Anyone who says otherwise is in on the conspiracy.
Flat Earthers don't know how clueless they are. The same level of cluelessness exists on gambling forums.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 19, 12:55 PM 2018I suppose you can also beat random rotor speed wheels
If you mean RRS, take the slingshot wheel for example which is one adaptation of the technology. In theory there could be 360 degrees of deviation. The reality is the slingshots I've seen have 180 degrees of deviation when bets close with around 22 seconds before the ball falls. That's super-early. The overall effect in this case is about halving possible edge for some approaches, like roulette computers. But when your edge is initially 50%, taking a 25% edge isn't a problem. Regardless, you're talking about 2% of wheels.
Theoretically they could change settings to make it 360 degrees, but that comes with other problems. I wont explain them here because I don't want to help wheel designers.
Caleb highlighted some problems. One reason is the technology isnt widespread is rotor speed changes are noticed by players, who then don't trust the casino isn't manipulating results. So by the casino's attempting to prevent the minority from winning (APs), they've created the bigger problem of losing player trust. And considering most players lose, and casinos depend on player trust, it is unwise because it's ultimately unprofitable for a casino to use RRS. It's the same reason most high stakes players wouldn't touch an auto wheel - no trust.
Still the best defense for a casino against AP is early detection of APs. Then once the player's approach is understood, the correct countermeasures can be applied until the AP leaves. That's why the limit to winnings is what you can get away with (avoiding detection).
Quote from: Turner on Sep 19, 05:17 PM 2018How come you always refer to the roulette game as random, then tell us how all wheels are biased?
Roulette wheels are always biased to some degree. It's more a question of whether or not it's enough to exploit, and under what conditions/variables the bias appears.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 19, 05:17 PM 2018How can the game be random if all the wheels arnt?
Say a system is based on betting on "hot numbers". The hot numbers are just normal variance, and have no correlation to what numbers will spin soon. So the system based on hot numbers still has 1 in 37 accuracy.
Now on the same wheel, say we applied VB. Such an approach exploits physics, and increases the accuracy of predictions so they dont have 1 in 37 accuracy anymore. They may have 1 in 25 accuracy, which is a vast improvement over "random accuracy" (1 in 37).
Anyway.. Unfortunately people make incorrect assumptions, or misunderstand things when they don't have enough information. There's much more I could have added, but I've wasted enough time. Everyone just has to learn for themselves.
Well..Steve...no one can acuse you of not replying, thats for sure.
My point...for what its worth...is that wheels cant produce true random if they are all biased to some degree.
The numbers dont simply become unrandom just because you spotted the wheel is biased. They are unrandom to everyone.
Yes sometimes I get carried away. Nothing is ever random, including RNG. It's more a question of predictability, and in what conditions it's predictable.
When it comes to wheels, it's nearly impossible to produce truly unpredictable spins. I mean sure it can be done, but there's always downside. For example, some changes would ultimately lose trust of players, and that would hurt the casino far more than the occasional AP.
Nobody is debating there might be systems to exploit bias, even if the player doesn't fully understand why the system works. Such a system might be a kind of hot numbers system. But the most direct approach to exploit bias is likely what APs already use.
Speaking for myself, all I'm basically saying is some approaches have no chance of working. They have also been tried and tested countless times before. Try something NEW. That's the whole point of the "outside the box" board: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?board=104.0 and my suggestions at link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19212.0
There are lots of other suggestions I could have added but it's not hard to identify when something is old or potentially new.
And that was a discussion
Cheers
Quote from: Steve on Sep 20, 03:04 AM 2018
Nobody is debating there might be systems to exploit bias, even if the player doesn't fully understand why the system works. Such a system might be a kind of hot numbers system. But the most direct approach to exploit bias is likely what APs already use.
If that's what you have been trying to say all these years with your countless repetitive tons of worded posts, then YES I can agree with that.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 20, 03:04 AM 2018
Speaking for myself, all I'm basically saying is somemajority approaches have no chance of working. They have also been tried and tested countless times before. Try something NEW.
YES from me.
This shall and will be your standard reference template for matters pertaining to systems play.
I hope there's no more debate into the semantics of your post.
Case close. Finally.
PS. Caleb, you're on your own now. :twisted:
Quote from: Steve on Sep 20, 03:04 AM 2018Nobody is debating there might be systems to exploit bias,
And thats what a forum is about. Please advise but dont lecture, instead, discuss, but with an open mind.
Nice one steve
Quote from: luckyfella on Sep 20, 03:29 AM 2018Caleb, you're on your own now.
Gotta love a bit of the old "divide and conquer" :thumbsup:
Quote from: Turner on Sep 20, 04:15 AM 2018
Gotta love a bit of the old "divide and conquer" :thumbsup:
Divide yes conquer no.
That's how to deal with the perennial pest. :xd:
Quote from: Madi on Sep 19, 04:19 PM 2018
A chart showing your system's success? That's goofy.
Whats wrong with one chart? You upload only one chart showing broken wheel exist even these spin could be your home made.
Double standards. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Sep 20, 03:04 AM 2018Speaking for myself, all I'm basically saying is some approaches have no chance of working. They have also been tried and tested countless times before. Try something NEW. That's the whole point of the "outside the box" board: link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?board=104.0 and my suggestions at link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=19212.0
I had a look at the "out of the box section". Precognition? it's a non-starter for me. You criticize what you call old methods which have been tried before and I partly agree with you, but you dismiss concepts like hot numbers and repeaters. That seems wrong because you can't deny that at least attempting to capture hot numbers is not a bad idea in principle. After all, you could say bias wheel tracking is just a way to identify hot numbers. The concept is a sound one, unlike waiting for numbers to get cold and then start betting that they'll catch up quickly.
That concept deserves to be trashed, there's no logic to it whatsoever.
In fairness to Turbo, he didn't actually reveal exactly how he was picking his hot numbers, but the critics just assumed it was simple because the concept is simple. Don't confuse a concept with the application of it; a concept can be old and seem quite obvious, but its application could be quite new, complex, and "out of the box".
And by the way, you could argue that precognition has been tried many times before and nothing has come of it; it's been investigated for a very long time and there is zero scientific evidence that it works. The concept itself is contrary to all we know about physics, apart from some modern physics which is purely speculative anyway.
Quote from: Turner on Sep 19, 05:17 PM 2018
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Turner,
The above is you - and your Lord Pep -- after witnessing the embarrassing debacle at the Emptyhad yesterday.
:twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 20, 11:32 AM 2018
Turner,
The above is you - and your Lord Pep -- after witnessing the embarrassing debacle at the Emptyhad yesterday.
:twisted: :twisted:
See..if Caleb knew the first thing about football (thats the game where you kick the ball with your foot, not ponce around in full body armour like a girl) he would know how to get at me.
"Hey Sudoku, you'r a funny guy. Thats why I kill you last"(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/20/source11f6b.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tfVHo)
Quote from: Joe on Sep 20, 09:15 AM 2018I had a look at the "out of the box section". Precognition? it's a non-starter for me.
1. It's not for everyone.
2. If you had more information, you'd see differently.
3. Where are your "new ideas"?
Quote from: Joe on Sep 20, 09:15 AM 2018You criticize what you call old methods which have been tried before and I partly agree with you, but you dismiss concepts like hot numbers and repeaters
1. I criticize what ARE old methods.
2. I back up what i say with clear evidence. Hot numbers and repeaters are super-old. My own testing for them ran billions (probably more) of RNG spins to determine:
a. Do "hot numbers" in any way indicate the number is more likely to spin again anytime soon (answer is NO, except in circumstances where there's a clear bias, which did not occur with RNG)
b. Does a number that repeats immediately or within proximity become more likely to repeat anytime soon? (answer is NO).
There more to it. I've done any tests and even published software for people to test for themselves. Furthermore, many others have done many other tests.
So when I say something isn't true, I'm not saying it from opinion.
Considering the above, isn't it reasonable for me to conclude (as anyone else has who has done extensive testing), that hot numbers and repeaters are useless?
And exactly what is your counter-evidence to prove the opposite?
Quote from: Joe on Sep 20, 09:15 AM 2018In fairness to Turbo, he didn't actually reveal exactly how he was picking his hot numbers, but the critics just assumed it was simple because the concept is simple.
He made many contradictions and claims that we know just aren't true. It has all been said before. I'm not arguing the possibility of someone coming up with something new. When it comes to turbo, his arguments didn't hold water. Perhaps go back and carefully understand both sides of the discussion. Then conclusion really isn't a matter of opinion once you understand both sides.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 20, 09:15 AM 2018And by the way, you could argue that precognition has been tried many times before and nothing has come of it; it's been investigated for a very long time and there is zero scientific evidence that it works.
Actually there are enough positive trials of this and related phenomena that indicate it appears to be real, although is poorly understood and needs development, and further testing from those developments, to ascertain whether or not it's viable. Remember I dont believe in fairies, unless there's something to back it up. It appears you aren't particularly knowledgeable in this area. But I'm not going to debate it with you. You can draw your own conclusions.
Quote from: Joe on Sep 20, 09:15 AM 2018The concept itself is contrary to all we know about physics, apart from some modern physics which is purely speculative anyway.
What we "know" about physics? Considering everything, how much about the universe do we and don't we know?
When evidence indicates something is against the laws of physics, it likely means our understanding of physics is incomplete or wrong.
Unfortunately I don't have time to explain it all to you. You can make up your mind with whatever you believe you know.
Quote from: Steve on Sep 20, 07:13 PM 2018a. Do "hot numbers" in any way indicate the number is more likely to spin again anytime soon (answer is NO, except in circumstances where there's a clear bias, which did not occur with RNG)
b. Does a number that repeats immediately or within proximity become more likely to repeat anytime soon? (answer is NO).
There more to it. I've done any tests and even published software for people to test for themselves. Furthermore, many others have done many other tests.
So when I say something isn't true, I'm not saying it from opinion.
Considering the above, isn't it reasonable for me to conclude (as anyone else has who has done extensive testing), that hot numbers and repeaters are useless?
And exactly what is your counter-evidence to prove the opposite?
The fact is, groups of numbers do clump; it's just one of the many ways in which seemingly unpredictable random numbers are actually predictable. Systems are just attempts to exploit this predictable behaviour. The more data you collect on a variety of variables, the easier it becomes to make better predictions. These variables are not physical, they are statistical and work just as well for RNG as real wheels.
You can't just look at the number of repeaters or the hottest numbers (such as what they give you at casinos, that's nonsense) you have to be more sophisticated. My system tracks 6 statistical variables for each number which is given a ranking, updated every spin. In addition there are 3 separate rolling and overlapping spin "windows" which are cross-referenced with each other. I bet between 4-8 "hot" numbers or numbers which have the potential to become hot, based on the data. Here's a chart of my results over the last several weeks (3,472 spins) Flat betting. And this is just the beginning of my research; I haven't even tried using any ML algorithms yet.
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I'm not telling you this to brag about how smart I am, but just as example of what can be done when you start to get serious and forget about the simplistic one-dimensional systems which have all been proven to be failures. There is no way simple systems can work because randomness is very complex and doesn't yield to a simple algorithm. Surely that's obvious? and yet the same tired old methods keep being rehashed over and over. So in that respect I agree with you, yes it does get frustrating.
"....numbers that have the potential to become hot...."
People here won't believe this can be predicted
Caleb calls it time travel bot
There's this usual wall of text bla, bla, bla......
Shallow knowledge there
Good work Joe :thumbsup:
QuoteThere is no way simple systems can work because randomness is very complex and doesn't yield to a simple algorithm. Surely that's obvious? and yet the same tired old methods keep being rehashed over and over. So in that respect I agree with you, yes it does get frustrating.
:thumbsup:..keep going
Joe good old pen+paper way.
56 sets from the Generals #'s
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From German spins on the forum
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Random.org
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Still some work to do on R.org, but 15 non-hit in spins 11-40 just keeps showing.
So yes 15 non-hit must mean 15 repeats
Quote from: Joe on Sep 20, 09:15 AM 2018
In fairness to Turbo, he didn't actually reveal exactly how he was picking his hot numbers, but the critics just assumed it was simple because the concept is simple. Don't confuse a concept with the application of it; a concept can be old and seem quite obvious, but its application could be quite new, complex, and "out of the box".
That's true! Credit should be given where it's due. I think Turbo (through his efforts) made a few people re-evaluate 'hot numbers' using whatever new knowledge they had acquired over the past few years. Like you said in one of your most recent posts, clumping does happen. My thoughts are that you need to use precision and timing to isolate attacks playing just a few numbers. The brute force approach will work until it doesn't and then you could be even worse off than when you started.
Here is an example of what I am getting at with my above post.
Let's use Pryanka's cycles on the dozens as an example:
Dozen 2 is having a continuous run on 's' = same.
16
24
13
20
22
20 (repeat)
24 (repeat)
Assume that you just bet the last 4 numbers and so you would have hit on the 20 and 24.
To be honest, this is pretty basic, however it's a good place to start.
Quote from: wiggy on Sep 21, 04:24 PM 2018
To be honest, this is pretty basic, however it's a good place to start.
What could be the next step beyond this basic one ?
Since you asked! The bets are to the right. Bet for a 2 to go to 3 (remember 2's go to 3's and all that) ;D
There were 4 wins in this cycle.
This cycle had 6 wins! The 20 was sizzling hot!!
Do it the correct and proper way
IMO most people are ignorant because they don't have the proper tools to aid them
Whether you look at results in the original format, red/black or high/low or odd/even
Or you look at spin results in secondary format, ie. win/loss or same/different or unique/repeat
It is best to plot the result in a graphical format
Plot this say on excel, the visual gives you a good idea of the context of the results
Lay both original and same/different format graph one above the other
Or overlay both graphs in 1 graph
Your choice
And don't be lazy(you are not too old or too late), roll up your sleeve learn how to create graphs on excel
Google/Youtube is your friend
End your ignorance today
Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 20, 11:32 AM 2018
Turner,
The above is you - and your Lord Pep -- after witnessing the embarrassing debacle at the Emptyhad yesterday.
:twisted: :twisted:
Lol
Another fine draw at the Theatre of Nightmares
BBB
This 19-9-18 gets the win, but you have to decide if carry on, me re-set
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BBB
The R2 came early, but still win +123
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Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 22, 07:37 PM 2018The R2 came early, but still win +123
Hi notto,
where in your table can one see that you win +123.
Tnx
Quote from: Herby on Sep 23, 02:23 AM 2018
Hi notto,
where in your table can one see that you win +123.
Tnx
Herby the table is from Priyanka or is it Tinsoldiers? It's showing KTF that wins at spin 21. Target reached General, so reset something you don't seem to understand, like GUT that you berate, but wins if you only new how to do it.
Herb the +123 is betting repeats, showing BBB, how the 36*1,5,25 gets the win
Quote from: Turner on Sep 22, 02:09 PM 2018
Lol
Another fine draw at the Theatre of Nightmares
Turner,
Man U are an inconsistent team, so you can expect a topsy-turvy season from them (I suspect many of their star players would love to see their coach -- the Special One -- get fired).
The highlight of the match yesterday was your hometown hero / legend, Old Whiskey Nose, back at the stadium after his surgery in May.
But, hey, at least they eked out a "fine" draw.
That is something that you and your Lord Pep would have given some of your limbs for so as to avoid the embarrassment at the Emptyhad on Wednesday.
So, yes, LOL, indeed !
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:o Hi All,
...232 pages in this thread!! Wo: , how much time do you think it take to read it all ? There is a summary somewhere?
My Big Master Nottohammer! How are you, are you able to tell me how is the win rate % of KTF strategy please?
Sorry for being Offtopic maybe.
Kind Regards
Gitano
Gitano 36*1,5,25
These are MPR #'s so 30 seconds to mark the sheet make the decisions, but end +194, just betting the non-hit, but as Big Bro Ben said you could combine the 2,
The 36*1,5,25 wins +23
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What's General idiots quote
Quote from: The General on Sep 27, 09:47 AM 2018Yes it's confined to 37 and 38 numbers, but you're paid out as though there are only 36 numbers. In short you've got a problem, there's one or two too many numbers on the wheel. ::)
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Careful general, read the words in your case read and read again.
Big Bro Ben
The expert General was looking in here for sometime, with his superiority will he see what's in back to basic thread
Everyone remember there might be 1 or 2 pockets to many, LMAO
General those extra pockets, don't matter, as the non-hit. hit, the #'s decrease and the profit goes up.
Gitano
I'd got what i wanted with the KTF using, love this; THE TROT; then started the 36*1,5,25 end +584 and this using what The great General says to practice with, shite #'s from R.org on, wait for it, MPR
BBB, what you said earlier :thumbsup: just like in 37 back to basic
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Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 28, 06:15 PM 2018
BBB, what you said earlier :thumbsup: just like in 37 back to basic
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Sure, but what did I say?
Like this huuuge thread!
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Just keeping Turbo going
Gitano
it might be messy but i know what i want. #'s14,21,15,11, you know where the win comes.
But i only bet for non-hit +178; on MPR that the general crows about.
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Gitano
This game was played at 12:30 am, so it's recorded as are all jackpot247.com games.
I've not marked anything yet, but the 36*1,5,25 i can see win spin 21
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Yes, Mr.Nottophammer, I understood, this amazing! Now I'm checking my averages in roulette I'm playing..It was nice to have all winnings at #21 !! :twisted: :twisted: ^-^
Win playing 4#s ..
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yes a win :thumbsup:
Gitano +26
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re-set from the 27, +3; lucky to get the win as the original is 51 spins,
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Still plenty of
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Remember test for millions of spins.
Remember I’m collecting Random.org #’s in sets of 148; you’ve seen the averages.
So it’s spin 1 of 1/37 #10
spin 2 of 1/37 # 13
spin 3 of 1/37 #10
So by spin 10 it’s 9/10; funny that, as don’t random.org show 9/10 is most common. (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/30/source38162.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tZicQ)
In spins 11-20, what is the average? (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/09/30/source3af36.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/tZgFy)
But you all listen to the forum’s 2 experts.
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Gitano i just watched the 1/37 trot, +135; but the 36*1,5,25. +32
expert in the camp
VESPA, jonw, Gitano (+ 1 Hidden) and 19 Guests
Gitano
Missed the #19, so +30; rushing got to go out
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I know nothing i just read and try to comprehend :twisted:
Amazing! R2 rulez!! I'm going to B&M casino today.wHO knows! O0 :twisted:
Mr.Notto I have got a lot of numbers session from "my"spintec roulette,( Honestly random.org I think give too much "easy" numbers..I mean, are different from the random number of a spintec roulette for sure)
How can I build the average for that machine? Do you have a file as example?
Thanks
Gitano
Download the general’s #’s in the non-hit time table, real roulette section.
There’s a sheet named averages, place the non-hit across the sheet, number the game, type or paste how many spins each non-hit takes to hit.
When the column is long enough, use an empty cell below the column and ask to find the average of the column, below this cell ask to find max spin. You could ask find how many spins takes to hit.
Another sheet is named spins 1-40, you get these checkpoints from the tester, that Priyanka gave.
Notto, you don't need to be an expert to understand you're showing the wins here, but ignoring the losses.
Overall you're losing on mpr and misleading people into thinking your system works. It clearly doesn't. Your deception is harmful to noobs who believe you without proper testing.
And some long term members against APs are supporting it by criticizing APs pointing the obvious out. It makes them complicit, and they need to start pointing out the obvious too.
Quote from: denzie on Mar 06, 01:35 PM 2018
Going strong Notto, keep it up :thumbsup:
Denzie
this is the old turbo way back at the begining of the year.
Now this ain't going to get to #1 spot as you need to bet thousands of units, but then the win rate for this lot, is not that great, unlike #2
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But den still the one BR and a good win rate, but 1,3,10,25 is not going to use 1000's of units.
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Even at 2000 spins it would not have used 1000's of units I doubt if i'd get to use over 1000 units.
And who's going to sit in a B+M for 8hrs at 30 second spins
None of the win rates look like anything other than random.
Quote from: The General on Oct 25, 12:59 PM 2018
None of the win rates look like anything other than random.
Why do think that you not a broken wheel junkie with no hope? Why dont you upload your one day playing session with graph so that we all can see your junk.
Quote from: The General on Oct 25, 12:59 PM 2018
None of the win rates look like anything other than random.
What would it take in your mind for it to be otherwise?
If 0.97 is around house edge, then how many spins at a rate above that number would it take to make you want to take a look at it?
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Well the Turbo method used here 96 standard was used below
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See General even on the MPR betting repeats not the true Turbo way; as we never solved the riddles.
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But i've moved on from the last session; just good old revelation from the time tables
Again how how many losing accounts did you go through first?
Keep playing on this account though Notto. I'm sure you know you'll eventually tank.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 19, 08:28 PM 2018
Again how how many losing accounts did you go through first?
Keep playing on this account though Notto. I'm sure you know you'll eventually tank.
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Ooh i love breaking bad.
Makes me want to cook meth.
Got to laugh.
It's all riddles; so get joker steve and general to do the riddles for you.
What does he say, bring 3000 to win 3000
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.. yet you're still wasting time with play money.
Quote from: Steve on Dec 20, 02:08 PM 2018
.. yet you're still wasting time with play money.
you could say that for the gold standard MPR as well.
As for play money yeah i play on the toy roulette's; FOBT's where they use proper RNG not like Random .org shite
Yeah Stevie you go play with phones
You often say some stupid things. Grow up.
Yes mpr is play money. Random.org is probably higher quality rng that any pseudo rng. I dont bother testing on either.
As for the phones, youve got no idea and i dont care
Quote from: Steve on Dec 20, 02:54 PM 2018As for the phones, youve got no idea and i dont care
Just the answer i expected
Quote from: nottophammer on Dec 20, 02:27 PM 2018
As for play money yeah i play on the toy roulette's; FOBT's where they use proper RNG not like Random .org shite
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Okay; oh wise one.
Perhaps you're after Steve's halo.
All hail saint Let me win.
Notto,
Can you explain the version of Turbo's system that you're currently playing?
No; you are not a member of the club
I have to admit that the general putting his most famous gif as his avatar made me chuckle...
Trolling set to maximum. :xd:
Quote from: Mako on Dec 21, 01:46 PM 2018
I have to admit that the general putting his most famous gif as his avatar made me chuckle...
Trolling set to maximum. :xd:
The General, passive aggressive??? Say it isn't so!
Why is he so interested in a method that fails.
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Quote from: Nimo on Dec 21, 01:49 PM 2018
The General, passive aggressive??? Say it isn't so!
He's been watching some Tony Robbins videos, wants to turn over a new leaf. Instead of forum assholery set to 10, he has dialed it back to 6. :thumbsup:
Except on GF, there the population deserves a proper setting of 11.
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I suppose you'll have to figure out that it won't work on your own. :)
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That wobbly wheel; will have a bias
Steve,
We're just not getting through to that guy.
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General you're curve fitting over at G oof F orum in the trigger topic; why haven't you posted this one.
Take 3000 to win 3000; like your bud Turbo told you.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jan 09, 04:01 PM 2019
hello gentlemen, what's up? How have the holidays gone and how have they started the year?
Well I hope everyone is well and keep fighting for the dream of winning at roulette, because if it can be achieved.
I continue to do thousands of tests on the dyksexlic and I come to tell you that the first step you have to do, is to discover the intervals that Turbo speaks, because there you will realize that everything Turbo says is completely true and if you can achieve totally flat win, after that you will only have to find the way to play the numbers and use an aggressive progression to make the most of this type of game and sometimes win in less balls and sometimes in longer paths due to complications that can Give your own chance.
I'm going to put a session that I just made just playing flat with chips of 25 euros, so you can see that Turbo is a genius and discovered something mathematically winning.
Once you realize what Turbo does, you know you can win each session.
What turbo does you will not know cause what he does is open to interpretation.
So you moved from best dysexlic to turbo now. Then turbo to vaddi. Vaddi to EC bet. One thing turbo did bad. He taught people just to show the winning session not to mention there r losing as well. And the scammer got a way....
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jan 09, 04:01 PM 2019
hello gentlemen, what's up? How have the holidays gone and how have they started the year?
Well I hope everyone is well and keep fighting for the dream of winning at roulette, because if it can be achieved.
I continue to do thousands of tests on the dyksexlic and I come to tell you that the first step you have to do, is to discover the intervals that Turbo speaks, because there you will realize that everything Turbo says is completely true and if you can achieve totally flat win, after that you will only have to find the way to play the numbers and use an aggressive progression to make the most of this type of game and sometimes win in less balls and sometimes in longer paths due to complications that can Give your own chance.
I'm going to put a session that I just made just playing flat with chips of 25 euros, so you can see that Turbo is a genius and discovered something mathematically winning.
Once you realize what Turbo does, you know you can win each session.
You have a link where we can read about this?
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jan 09, 04:01 PM 2019I'm going to put a session that I just made just playing flat with chips of 25 euros, so you can see that Turbo is a genius and discovered something mathematically winning.
Hi PassionRuleta,
If you wanted to post the picture I would be interested to see it.
Thanks
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jan 09, 04:01 PM 2019I'm going to put a session that I just made just playing flat with chips of 25 euros, so you can see that Turbo is a genius and discovered something mathematically winning.
I would like to see that as well, because it would help us all. Best Regards,
You want with the posted graph; the spin file.
The graph is no good without the actual spins.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jan 12, 08:19 AM 2019
There are 4000 balls 26425 of profit in plane with chips of â,¬ 25. :thumbsup:
So is your focus on repeats? This entire thread was basically focused on repeats and hot numbers. Now if you read on gambling forums, JEKHB, who used to post here quite a bit and stopped is talking about using Turbos method. Except he is talking about negative standard from deviation. So he says he has been playing the coldest double street from what I can tell. Turbo has been also posting how cold numbers have to come back to average. So which is it? Hot numbers or the other?
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jan 12, 08:12 AM 2019
I try to send the image and it has not left me for days ... :yawn:
I’ve seen this graph on VLS forum years ago.
Quote from: Irish88 on Jan 12, 10:41 AM 2019
So is your focus on repeats? This entire thread was basically focused on repeats and hot numbers. Now if you read on gambling forums, JEKHB, who used to post here quite a bit and stopped is talking about using Turbos method. Except he is talking about negative standard from deviation. So he says he has been playing the coldest double street from what I can tell. Turbo has been also posting how cold numbers have to come back to average. So which is it? Hot numbers or the other?
The trick to making it work is, if it loses betting on the hot numbers, then travel back in time and play it with cold numbers and then post the results. :twisted:
Quote from: Winner on Jan 12, 11:48 AM 2019
I’ve seen this graph on VLS forum years ago.
Amazing how history repeats, then!
Passion, why do you normally post a graph that's clearly a graph file, but now a photo of a screenshot?
It makes me wonder...
And where are the numbers
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jan 12, 04:49 PM 2019
Is about to record the permanence of 14,500 balls, when I finish I send you the numbers.
What’s your point?
There’s not one guy here that can show how to make Living at roulette other then Steve.
Quote from: Irish88 on Jan 12, 10:41 AM 2019Turbo has been also posting how cold numbers have to come back to average
No they dont. If you start at a standard deviation of 2, from this point with new spins, the standard deviation could be +2,0,-2 or whatever. Expecting a balance is super old fallacy.
Its statements like yours above that show you dont even know the basics. Its not opinion. Its verifiable fact.
Focus on just on this one point, tell us why numbers must bounce back. Please.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 13, 04:50 AM 2019
No they dont. If you start at a standard deviation of 2, from this point with new spins, the standard deviation could be +2,0,-2 or whatever. Expecting a balance is super old fallacy.
Its statements like yours above that show you dont even know the basics. Its not opinion. Its verifiable fact.
Focus on just on this one point, tell us why numbers must bounce back. Please.
I did say Turbo has been posting that. I wouldn't play that way. I can't explain to you why some people think it might be a worthwhile method. Would I play that way? No. Do I think cold numbers have to come back to average? I have no clue, and I don't really care to be honest. I play on live wheels and just try to predict what section of the wheel is going to hit. That's really the only way I play. I have good days and I have days where I lose. My point was how this thread all 237 pages was focused on repeats and hot numbers. All of sudden Turbo and one of his followers is saying they are playing cold numbers. I myself was asking the question to Sergio and his graph. Hot or cold numbers, which is it? Seems a strange departure after all his talk about repeats, hot numbers, Vaddi and Dyksexlic, now its cold numbers?
Sorry i thought passion said that, my mistake. But if you're just quoting turbo, then it illustrates another of his contradictions.
Turbo, passion, dyk etc all make incorrect statements without understanding why they are incorrect.
Quote from: PassionRuleta on Jan 13, 12:54 PM 2019
Who has said that plays cold numbers?
What is explaining and giving the right way, is what happens with the numbers, if you do not know how to understand that, it does not make sense that you try to understand other things, first focus on understanding that and then you can understand the rest.
What Turbo says is totally true and is simpler than it seems, the problem is that people already want it in writing and step by step and that is not going to do Turbo, nor Eddy, nor I, is logical.
You have to read everything that Turbo and Eddy are publishing, they are giving more information than they should, once you understand that information, you will get that spark to understand everything and because it plays the repeated, it is something logical and mathematical.
By the way, it works totally flat, but it's very slow, it's better with progression to quickly maximize profits.
Forget about the four who are "experts" and take Turbo case that is making it clear and almost on a platter, he says a truth like a house, the rest are only "cheating winners".
regards :thumbsup:
Ok maybe coldest numbers was the wrong term. Has Eddy not mentioned that he plays the furthest back double street? Lines? He waits for the last line to hit, then waits for some other trigger and plays that line. All the talk about - std of deviation. The belief Is those numbers that are at a -std of deviation has to come back to average or +. That is what they have been saying?
Passion, ive read and understood turbos clues. The problem is he's incorrect. If you don't understand it, it's your problem.
If your tests so far are positive, it wouldn't be the first time initial testing of a losing approach was ok. Over the years we've seen many people like you who don't understand basics, but claim to have the hg. Then eventually they and their followers learn better.
Quote from: Irish88 on Jan 13, 01:13 PM 2019
Ok maybe coldest numbers was the wrong term. Has Eddy not mentioned that he plays the furthest back double street? Lines? He waits for the last line to hit, then waits for some other trigger and plays that line. All the talk about - std of deviation. The belief Is those numbers that are at a -std of deviation has to come back to average or +. That is what they have been saying?
It's interesting Shaun, because like all of Turbo's concepts, it's based in something we've all seen....but is it real.
How many times have we said "greens always come in groups". And on the surface, they do always seem to come in tight windows, after being absent for too many spins.
In testing you see "cold" things heat up and hit more often than they should. My question is always is it something we can exploit and benefit from?
In the 1-5-25 philosophy that so many of us have done well with over time, you see things "heat up" so much that you assume it's fact.
Eddy isn't a liar, Gordon can likely attest to that. But he has been misled previously, losing dramatically after winning hundreds of sessions in a row, So who knows. But I do believe that he's playing what he says he is, and so far, his results are what he says they are.
I don't know if it will last, but I believe he's not just talking to talk over there for no reason.
Passion, far more testing has been done, by experienced people, which clearly shows turbos theories dont work. Even in this thread i explained the proper testing to prove it, the problems with turbos theories, and his actual system from his explanations.
Youre wasting your time. But at least others can read back what i wrote on this thread.
Today I tested the basic assumption.
I chose coldest number, waited for first hit, start betting for 5 hits more, when that number hit 6 time, always end session. Flat bet
I played 70 sessions in the RX and I finished the game almost on zero
The highest point was +503 units, but the last few sessions resulted in a drop to +37 units.
On average, the session counted over 300 spins, so I played well over 20k spins.
if I have time to check I will be playing after this trigger only first 36 spins.
You cant do proper testing MANUALLY unless you have months to waste.
Use proper software and do years worth of testing in seconds. Then you'll know if an approach increases the accuracy of predictions.
For example, check all the numbers that have hit once in a 37 spin cylce. Then see if those numbers will hit more frequently than others in the near future. Do the same with numbers that hit twice in 37 spins. This is super old fallacy. the ones who test properly quickly move on. The ones who don't test properly waste months testing manually, and only after they've wasted time do they come around.
Anyone interested in turbo's theories need only test the above principles. You'll find the chances of any number spinning next or anytime soon DON'T CHANGE. Still 1 in 37. The "turbo followers" can argue all they like with their short term tests.
If you don't know why an approach must increase accuracy of predictions, and think money management changes anything, you're way behind.
I told myself, not ever to return to this god forsaken place, but here i am :smile: and i know i will be spit upon once again, but so be it.
why am here? because steve is still opperating his secret roulette divices somewhere in a very dark basement :xd: no just kidding. I'm here to open all you're eyes. but you need to put some effort in it, to see that there is indead a way to beat this game from hell.
Guys, you can check and test as much spins as you want, but the results will always and i repeat, stay always the same.
Please open you're eyes and don't let other fool you're thoughts.
Every roulette number, any locatiom for that matter will always return to their average point, giving enough spins.
You will never see a number or a location drifting further and further away from it's average point. it will always decreases in spins, to move closer and closer to where it should be.
Everyone on here that is saying that it won't are just lying and a. don't get it and didn't test this, or they are trying to prevent you from winning.
it's just like testing the Minimum interval colum in Rx, every location wil and i repeat wil, return to a MI of "1".
don't tell me that i'm wrong, because i'm right. test it, and you'll see that after millions of steve's spins, the results will always be the same.
Have a nice day.
j.e.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jan 13, 11:32 PM 2019Every roulette number, any locatiom for that matter will always return to their average point, giving enough spins.
You are not understanding this:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 13, 04:50 AM 2019No they dont. If you start at a standard deviation of 2, from this point with new spins, the standard deviation could be +2,0,-2 or whatever. Expecting a balance is super old fallacy.
How can you expect people to take you seriously when you have such a huge oversight?
What you are saying is basically the same as betting the color that has spun least until you have profited. IT DOESN'T WORK, and neither does the theories you are peddling.
Yes passion, i have read and understood everything turbo said. As i said before, the problem is his understanding is incorrect. Obviously you don't understand his mistakes either.
For example, the intervals is basic probability. Random does not have limits. The amount of possibilities increases proportionally to the amount of spins. The end result is the odds are still 1 in 37.
You don't even understand basic probability. Im not going in circles with you. You're way behind but acting like you're ahead of everyone.
Passion, like jek, youd benefit from reading the responses from the more experienced members on this thread. Even on one point, the holes in yours and turbos claims are gaping wide. But like him, you'll dodge all the logic and correct math, and cite your own version of reality.
Quote from: Winner on Jan 12, 11:41 PM 2019
There’s not one guy here that can show how to make Living at roulette other then Steve.
Well in that case it must be quite a sad world then :yawn:
Quote from: Steve on Jan 13, 11:40 PM 2019
What you are saying is basically the same as betting the color that has spun least until you have profited. IT DOESN'T WORK, and neither does the theories you are peddling
No he is not! - it could be looked at a multitude of ways. This might be your gig (and I do appreciate it), at the same I do also know what I’m talking about :thumbsup:
-and as stated previously, nothing to sell or disclose - so you, Caleb and the other professors won’t need to protect any of the ‘newbies’ from my 2 cents ::)
**To the forum runners that are looking,
anything of value is rarely served in its entirety on a platter for all to digest - if it was it wouldn't be as valuable! ....and often would be overlooked. Time/costs/energy needs to be traded and then some - It is this phase that prepares you for the "lucky" success ahead :thumbsup:
@PRouletta - with what you claim to have, am still amazed that you haven't gone and made the moola that you are seeking on here - a few members have given you sound advise about how to take your concepts to the fruitful stage ............?
-BEST WISHES-
Quote from: -Katalyst- on Jan 14, 10:04 AM 2019Well in that case it must be quite a sad world then
You're part of what makes it the way it is. And your last post offered nothing but talk.
Quote from: -Katalyst- on Jan 14, 10:04 AM 2019No he is not! - it could be looked at a multitude of ways.
Like?
Quote from: -Katalyst- on Jan 14, 10:04 AM 2019This might be your gig
That has no effect on math or reality.
Unless you have something that proves experienced members wrong, or passion/turbo right, youre just adding clutter to the conversation while complaining about it.
Wah! I'm shaking here - big grandpa daddy has spoken with such authority! :yawn:
@Steve - have you found anybody that has met you on your $100K offer for the HG.....?
- you really think somebody would disclose what they have for what little you offer - your kiddin right!? ::)
@ Winner - you really think that your Uncle Steve is the only one making money - well my point in the previous spray was alluding to the fact that one would have to be naive at best to think that people that are successful at this would actually come on here and drop their game in its entirety for all to see
Let's get this straight - everything on here is "talk" - all your BS talk about base maths and it's limits is exactly what it is - basic!
Yes the maths is what it is ....Yes Yes - I’ve heard it all too and then some - pls
“multitude of waysâ€
Quote from: Steve on Jan 14, 10:16 AM 2019
Like?
- well you seem to know it all - you figure it out!
- and not 'clutter' or "complaining", just highlighting to those interested that there are ways - the time and energy needs to be invested
:thumbsup:
It’s your gig - so you can have the last say, regarding certain things yeah :thumbsup:
- the rest doesnt really mean Shxt!
More dribble. Dont waste everyones time.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jan 13, 11:32 PM 2019
I told myself, not ever to return to this god forsaken place, but here i am :smile: and i know i will be spit upon once again, but so be it.
why am here? because steve is still opperating his secret roulette divices somewhere in a very dark basement :xd: no just kidding. I'm here to open all you're eyes. but you need to put some effort in it, to see that there is indead a way to beat this game from hell.
Guys, you can check and test as much spins as you want, but the results will always and i repeat, stay always the same.
Please open you're eyes and don't let other fool you're thoughts.
Every roulette number, any locatiom for that matter will always return to their average point, giving enough spins.
You will never see a number or a location drifting further and further away from it's average point. it will always decreases in spins, to move closer and closer to where it should be.
Everyone on here that is saying that it won't are just lying and a. don't get it and didn't test this, or they are trying to prevent you from winning.
it's just like testing the Minimum interval colum in Rx, every location wil and i repeat wil, return to a MI of "1".
don't tell me that i'm wrong, because i'm right. test it, and you'll see that after millions of steve's spins, the results will always be the same.
Have a nice day.
j.e.
Welcome back. Hope you will stay. Ignore the negative. I won’t even read it. But hard because it’s all over the place.
I believe there are people winning at roulette dare I say it with systems and even with Rng.
I’m not doing to badly and I’m sure there are those doing even better.
Don’t know what passion or turbo are doing and frankly I don’t care. Good luck to them.
@ Katalyst totally agree with you.
Hi Jehk,
glad you're back. By the way, Junescissors is gone, so we're good.
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jan 13, 11:32 PM 2019
I told myself, not ever to return to this god forsaken place, but here i am :smile: and i know i will be spit upon once again, but so be it.
why am here? because steve is still opperating his secret roulette divices somewhere in a very dark basement :xd: no just kidding. I'm here to open all you're eyes. but you need to put some effort in it, to see that there is indead a way to beat this game from hell.
Guys, you can check and test as much spins as you want, but the results will always and i repeat, stay always the same.
Please open you're eyes and don't let other fool you're thoughts.
Every roulette number, any locatiom for that matter will always return to their average point, giving enough spins.
You will never see a number or a location drifting further and further away from it's average point. it will always decreases in spins, to move closer and closer to where it should be.
Everyone on here that is saying that it won't are just lying and a. don't get it and didn't test this, or they are trying to prevent you from winning.
it's just like testing the Minimum interval colum in Rx, every location wil and i repeat wil, return to a MI of "1".
don't tell me that i'm wrong, because i'm right. test it, and you'll see that after millions of steve's spins, the results will always be the same.
Have a nice day.
j.e.
What Jekhb doesn't comprehend is that a number hitting at expectation isn't enough because the longer the player plays, the farther and farther they will drift away from break even. ::)
38 spins... a random number is 2 units behind break even.
380 spins... a random number is 20 units behind break even.
3800 spins... a random number is 200 units behind break even.
38000 spins... a random number is 2000 units behind break even.
380000 spins... a random number is 20000 units behind break even.
3800000 spins... a random number is 200000 units behind break even.
A number that has "returned to it's average point" (hits at expectation) isn't enough to win. It just causes the player to lose more and more as they continue to play. And running an up as you lose progression is called chasing your losses
Glad some are happy that I'm back :smile:
Again, i'm not here to provoke or anything like that.
either one has a right of their own oppinion, but some things are needed to be said, some folks won't like what i have to say, well so be it.
i'm here for everyone who is willing to learn something and not letting all the naysayers on here bring them on the wrong path. Because there is a way to always win in roulette. like i said before, the awnser is in the Minimum intervals and the average point of every location.
steve and his general can keep saying that i'm wrong, but deep down inside they know i'm right, but somehow they refuces to admit that, shame. I just don't understand it. aren't we here to help out as much as we can and support everyone in their journey?
But no, they keep saying that turbo is crazy and that i need to go out and make millions, or show my bank acount as proof. sad sad world.
Jekhb,
You can learn the basics, probability, and the payouts for roulette at the wizardofodds and Wiki.
Chasing your losses with the gambler's fallacy is a very old and risky scheme.
I wish I will not need to read here the equivalent of the 15 page of the '' so called Fallacy'' from another site, this was a really boring discussion with nothing fresh past the 2nd page.
Quote from: The General on Jan 14, 12:48 PM 2019
Jekhb,
You can learn the basics, probability, and the payouts for roulette at the wizardofodds and Wiki.
Chasing your losses with the gambler's fallacy is a very old and risky scheme.
did you know that i was counting the seconds to see when you would reply?
i said to myself, within five minutes! how right i was :)
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jan 14, 12:54 PM 2019
did you know that i was counting the seconds to see when you would reply?
i said to myself, within five minutes! how right i was :)
Great, then I'm glad that I was able to help you with some valuable facts and links.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Jan 14, 12:53 PM 2019
I wish I will not need to read here the equivalent of the 15 page of the '' so called Fallacy'' from another site, this was a really boring discussion with nothing fresh past the 2nd page.
i won't go that far again man, not gaining anything from it.
Quote from: The General on Jan 14, 12:56 PM 2019
Great, then I'm glad that I was able to help you with some valuable facts and links.
thanks man, really appreciate it
Quote from: jekhb76 on Jan 14, 12:40 PM 2019
Glad some are happy that I'm back :smile:
Again, i'm not here to provoke or anything like that.
either one has a right of their own oppinion, but some things are needed to be said, some folks won't like what i have to say, well so be it.
i'm here for everyone who is willing to learn something and not letting all the naysayers on here bring them on the wrong path. Because there is a way to always win in roulette. like i said before, the awnser is in the Minimum intervals and the average point of every location.
steve and his general can keep saying that i'm wrong, but deep down inside they know i'm right, but somehow they refuces to admit that, shame. I just don't understand it. aren't we here to help out as much as we can and support everyone in their journey?
But no, they keep saying that turbo is crazy and that i need to go out and make millions, or show my bank acount as proof. sad sad world.
Great. I think there is a lot of people that are willing to learn and see roulette in new ways.
I think as roulette as a sort of hobby. Like reading and testing anything roulette related.
Maybe you could start a new thread. With your ideas 😊
This file is set with Excel random in column B but feel free to enter any nr you want, up to 1000.
It calculates how many spins between appearances of a number.
Quote from: Bigbroben on Jan 14, 01:26 PM 2019
This file is set with Excel random in column B but feel free to enter any nr you want, up to 1000.
It calculates how many spins between appearances of a number.
1000 spins is too small. Here's why. If you look for the longest gap then you need a way to test your longest gap "trigger". In order to correctly test you need to compare an equal number of betting attempts with a trigger, and an equal number of attempts without any trigger. So you really need to upload about five or ten million spins from random.org. because every trigger exponentially reduces the spin sample test size.
Sure why not, but the point of sharing the file was simply to have a quick and easy visual on spin gaps per number, not to prove anything or to find extremes.
And with 1000 spins plus all the calculation, it get close to maximal allowed 1,5Mb file.
The most important thing in the whole concept of the TURBO game is proper MM selection.
Without knowing how to choose the right progression, we are not able to get a satisfying profit.
No Turbo's MM is a bad idea.
Which one is it? The 1-5-25?
The problem I keep coming back to with any of the minimum interval-style approaches is what Davey also thought when he first saw it, which is that if it "works" then it should work with the ECs.
And we know through experience that it doesn't work on the ECs, at least not within the range of any MM that can fit within table limits, because we've seen imbalances between the ECs that can last hundreds, even thousands, of spins before the lesser hit EC returns to the expected 48.65% hitrate.
Over time the imbalance will go back to 0 STD, no question. I disagree with the drifting-further-apart thought, because any 100k or 1M+ test shows exactly that. Any deviation that's significant always goes back to 0 over time.
Caleb, you can prove otherwise by going through your 1M+ spin file and showing us any location, any at all, that was sitting at some ridiculously low hitrate after the first thousand spins having never recovered past that point. You're not going to find some -3 or worse deviation that not only stayed at -3, but got worse, throughout the entire run, finally ending a million spins later having never gotten back to 0, ever at any point during the run, even if was briefly.
The hard part is making an MM work over the extended span of spins that it can take for that location getting back to the expected hitrate or 0 STD.
Mako,
What you're not comprehending either is that no standard deviation "0" still means that you're going to fall farther and farther and farther away from break even the longer you play. The reason is obvious...the house pay out is short!!!
Here is proof...
Below at every level there is no standard deviation. It is "0"
38 spins... a random number is 2 units behind break even.
380 spins... a random number is 20 units behind break even.
3800 spins... a random number is 200 units behind break even.
38000 spins... a random number is 2000 units behind break even.
380000 spins... a random number is 20000 units behind break even.
3800000 spins... a random number is 200000 units behind break even.
Bigbroben.
I still do not know all the time.
I've been testing all the time, different approaches, but most of MM after a few dozen sessions start losing a lot.
As time goes by very bad sessions start hitting , it's hard to keep up.
If the system worked, then it would have an edge. If the system had an edge then running an up as you lose progression would be stupid, as you couldn't win dirt when compared to an up as you win progression. But, the system doesn't have an edge at all. After all why should it?
I perfectly understand the operation of this mechanism.
I also try to get the edge playing flat by my tests, but here the stairs start, because I have not seen the edge playing flat this concept, but I still have several options to check.
Still inexperienced players here don't know the difference between opinion and fact.
Members explaining fact are called naysayers by members who don't understand basics. And they praise approaches that are ancient fallacy.
Seriously, wake up. Some people here don't know they're flat earthers. Its delusion.
I don't think anyone here said or proved experimented VB players would lose. It is not disputed, for the maths prove that it works if accuracy is slightly enhanced. So no point arguing these maths.
What we are up to is to try to beat the random game. The ways to investigate are many, and I personaly enjoy seeking a solution. It brings knowledge of the game along the way.
About playing, if one goes on recklessly, well no one else is to blame for the teeth grinding that comes soon or later.
Some claim they found it. True or not, it encourages to try new methods, or out-of-the-box thinking.
Now I have completed 70 sessions, I tested 2 options simultaneously,
One is that after the trigger, I played to the first hit regardless of how many spins it would have been, the results were positive up to 50 sessions later, some very bad sessions and ended up at minus 80 units.
The second option is after trigger, playing 37 spins stoploss if there is no hit.
This option after 70 sessions plus 82 units
I see that on another forum Jekhb tried by making contest to reach 25 k from 10.
And everyone attacks him.
I still do not know what MM he is using to optimize profits.
But today I tested the Turbo assumption.
I added some tweaks, and play totaly flat 1 unit whole time.
After 220 sessions I am 663 units on plus.
I do not know if it will last. But so far it gives pretty good results.
Quote from: ozon on Jan 17, 02:07 PM 2019
I see that on another forum Jekhb tried by making contest to reach 25 k from 10.
And everyone attacks him.
I still do not know what MM he is using to optimize profits.
But today I tested the Turbo assumption.
I added some tweaks, and play totaly flat 1 unit whole time.
After 220 sessions I am 663 units on plus.
I do not know if it will last. But so far it gives pretty good results.
So can I ask how you are applying the bet? Are you betting on a street with the lowest -std of deviation? Then wait till it appears twice and just play that street?
I test the concepts of the last number,
I play 1 number.
My game is almost not good for BM casino.
Tests are on RX rng for now, we'll see if they keep going.
Quote from: ozon on Jan 17, 02:28 PM 2019I test the concepts of the last number,
Can you give the specific algorithm you are using? Why not just get someone to code on RX and do months of testing in minutes.
Your time is too valuable to waste on manual testing, especially of principles that don't have solid logic.
A little more time, I will keep my details for myself.
But I am very skeptical like You.
The more I play with this concept, I see one weakness of this whole concept, and I think that it may decide on longterm results. At least playing flatbet.
This will be visible over time. I still have some time to test manually
In general, the concept is optimal, because playing only 1 number, reduce the HE to a minimum.
I still think that a very large factor in the results of Turbo and Jekbh is the right MM, which I do not know.
Once you understand a particular concept, you'll understand money management has NO effect on whether you profit or lose in the long term. I've heard before of people losing with an approach, and thinking it was because they dont have the right money management or progression.
Basically "money management" is just different size bets on random spins. And if you dont win with flat bets first, then you arent changing the odds (accuracy of predictions), and the system is exactly as good as random bets.
For example, with the martingale you can bet 10,20,and 40 units. you think they're connected, but they're just 3 different bets on 3 different spins.
Someone needs to tell the fools that playing the secret squirrel game and posting graphs of 100 spins isn't proof of concept. Neither are their oxymorons.
They wont understand it because they either dont want to, arent particularly intelligent, or are still learning the basics. According to them, the whole professional and educated community is wrong. Tests on rigged games, and short term testing is their proof.
Apparently we have the problem.
It is fun testing these systems to beat random games with rigged payouts, but they all lose in the end.
Theres quite an entertaining book,13 against the bank by Norman Leigh which advocates a reverse labourchere progression. It's a bit like the paroli but rather than having to win every time you just have to win most of your bets (ratio of 2 to 1) on an even chance over a period. Essentially after comitting a small stake line, you are then gambling with the casinos money when you win.
The general pattern is a steady series of small losses as your stake line is wiped out followed by spectacular wins when your even chance hits a good streak.
I've simulated this system and it can do quite well over a few thousand spins. That's what happened to Norman Leigh when he went to Nice. They hit a few lucky runs and got banned eventually as the Casino manager was infuriated they won big by betting small stakes to start and gambling big with the casino money. If you'd read the book you'd think it was a magic system.
But usually by 10 to 20 thousand trials the house edge catches up. Your big wins cancel your many small losses but your stakes keep getting halved every time zero comes up which gnaws away at your lines. It's only 1.35% tax under French rules almost 4 times better odds than the US 00 wheel, but enough to bankrupt you eventually.
So if you have found your holy grail system, you need to test it not over 200 spins but 20,000 or 50,000. Then test it again, till you have 100 of those trials. That will give you a true indication. 200 spins is meaningless against odds of a few %. Anything can happen!
I rather like the reverse Labby for fun. But I've heard that Norman Leigh's book was fiction.
Quote from: The General on Jan 19, 04:01 AM 2019I rather like the reverse Labby for fun
Forward labia is even more fun
Quote from: The General on Jan 19, 04:01 AM 2019
I rather like the reverse Labby for fun. But I've heard that Norman Leigh's book was fiction.
You could be right about that. I read it about 1990. It was certainly presented as fact and I took it as such then, but was pretty certain even without simulating it, the system couldn't win and he got lucky. It can generate large wins short term so that much is credible. Also a great read.
Eddy
7+ cycles of the 1 has to hit to go two, and so on.
Plenty of places to stop.
But why stop; when it don't lose.
Time to join the club General.
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Quote from: Firefox on Jan 19, 05:42 AM 2019
You could be right about that. I read it about 1990. It was certainly presented as fact and I took it as such then, but was pretty certain even without simulating it, the system couldn't win and he got lucky. It can generate large wins short term so that much is credible. Also a great read.
Yes, fun reading. It got me hooked! Probably romanced a bit though
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Had to laugh 1 pocket to0 many.
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How does vaddi handle that?
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Eddy
7+ cycles of the 1 has to hit to go two, and so on.
Plenty of places to stop.
But why stop; when it don't lose.
Time to join the club General.
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Notto,
The graphs above look terrible. What are you smoking? ::)
Quote from: Steve on Jan 19, 04:05 AM 2019
Forward labia is even more fun
Oh... I think I get it. Steve...
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Napoleon i thought of you and Turbo when these spins came.
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Expect the same old shite answer from you. Perhaps you should change your socks. Oh you can post it on G oof F orum
Bigbroben, thank you for your MEM - it's cool :xd:
Notto,
Here you go. I ran a quick 20k spins... while you ran your 30 or so spins. ::) ::) ::)
As you can see, once you run a more statistically relevant number of spins it starts to crash pretty hard. (link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/01/27/source.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/Oam4F)As you can see it lost, close to expectation. After 20,067 spins, and an average bet of 2.79 numbers on a horizon of 37 spins it LOST at a rate of 4.06% -1922 units. Max DD 2428
I wonder who you are trying to convince? me or perhaps yourself. You carry on while it just keeps going.
My son and his mates were at Luton casino last night.
These numbers General played on touchscreen, the wheel is from Blackpool; see can play on various tables at Grosvenor casino's.
FLATBET +83
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So soon as Pichost goes this will be gone and Turbo repeat is safe.
I suppose it will be not enough spins or one to0 many pockets; but then there only there for about an hour, so millions of spins testing a waste of time.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 27, 06:52 AM 2019
My son and his mates were at Luton casino last night.
These numbers General played on touchscreen, the wheel is from Blackpool; see can play on various tables at Grosvenor casino's.
FLATBET +83
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So soon as Pichost goes this will be gone and Turbo repeat is safe.
I suppose it will be not enough spins or one to0 many pockets; but then there only there for about an hour, so millions of spins testing a waste of time.
Notto,
I know you posted a similar pic about a week ago and I asked how you were playing it. You were kind enough to explain. Are you doing the same here? Are you playing the wheel and it's neighbors? Or are you playing your 10 block? I am having a little trouble figuring out witch way you are playing. Clearly 23 ans 11 were repeating often.
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Bigbroben, thank you for your MEM - it's cool :xd:
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Bro probably a G oof from G oof F orum
As discussed betting more but still gone more profit
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General no change of underwear as i not chicken to betting and i use RNG that you have seen.
The averages are always there even your made up LOTT.
Look at that next spin a real hottie
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Live and learn; You F------ U----- P---- of S----
Here's the numbers
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+94 can you do it
General Just like the posted 66 live wheel spins; here 66 spins +1795 and didn't even change my pants; let Eugene know
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Hi Notto! Can you share your way for testing? I've tried to follow but i'm in trouble with understanding, the reason are some terms and maybe my lack of experience. If you can't thanks anyway!
Notto, what do you think of statistician would say about your data? Do you know why? Would you call them names for that?
Hello Steve; where's my data?
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Oh look 1/37 spins.
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Keep selling the phone
Had a great set of 1/37 spins earlier, but i'll keep those for next reply :yawn:
Notto, your charts is your "data".
So instead of answering basic questions, you take it personally. I'll ask again:
What do you think of statistician would say about your data? Do you know why? Would you call them names for that?
I'm sure you understand my point, which is your charts would be much the same with random bet selection. The results are indistinguishable from random bets.
You and the "others' call us "naysayers". Are we naysayers, or are we just people that understand basic probability?
Why arent you testing with spins that apear most credible (random.org) and use RX? And test significant amounts of spins.
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Last time i collected from the Great random.org ((link:://:.pichost.org/images/2019/01/29/source1f5e3.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/Od4q7))
So 730 sets of 148 numbers. Gives this; just like the result of the expert mate of yours; star burst spins.
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Those averages are all you need to know.
They happen all the time.
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Now the above is R-sim
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The little graph gives profit for repeat; but you don't panic; what do they say; oh yeah it can't lose.
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And as you see doubled the profit, no problem what so ever.
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So you see the numbers came in your 1/37 style; but just look the same as any other game.
Random.org; R-sim's RNG, the Generals star burst; you just need to be able to see what the non-hit are showing
I don't need RX to test millions of spins i can see what is going to happen in 60 spins; not 60'000 spins.
Over to you and your what would scenario
Your talk of averages shows you dont understand the math. Its like saying on average, there will be around the same amount of reds/blacks.
I mean so what? You cant use that in any way. Its like waiting for 60% of spins being black, then betting red because you expect the average eventually. It IS fallacy. You can understand the red/black example because its super basic, but you dont understand non hits, repeaters, etc are all fallacy just as bad.
Your proof of concept is short term data that suits your theory. The bigger picture, which has been tested far more than you can imagine, clearly shows what i explain. Its not an opinion. Its not being a naysayer. Its just the reality. And you are wasting your time. You are not understanding it. You are being misled by short term data, so just keep testing and when the results dont meet expectations, you may better understand something isn't being understood. But ffs use rx and test with reputable spins. Not rs, its not a serious tool to test. Its for entertainment.
If you want the truth notto, you will find it. But dont turn a blind eye to it just because you dont like the messenger .
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Just follow the trot.
26-1-19 got 8 numbers in 1st 10 spins; I; and only I; need to know that in spin 11-40 on average, 15 more non-hit; hit, result spin 40; 23 non-hit; 15 came.
27-1-19; gave 9/10; so 9 +15=24; so should see 24 non-hit by spin 40 and we got 25
28-1-19; gave 8/10 you know the next part; so we should or could see 23non-hits; oh look 23 have hit.
It's just an average game.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 02:37 AM 2019If you want the truth notto, you will find it. But dont turn a blind eye to it just because you dont like the messenger .
But the messenger don't help, perhaps you are blind.
I'll do a you; i don't need to carry this conversation on any further, wasting my time.
Have a good sleep.
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 29, 02:39 AM 2019Just follow the trot.
A player's version of the "trot" could be "RBRBRBRBR" then they bet B. Then they give lots of short term test results (with likely unrealistic spins), that indicate following the trot works.
Another player says BBRRBBRR is the real trot. Then they give lots of short term test results (with likely unrealistic spins), that indicate following the trot works.
Someone with experience tries to explain why both theories are wrong, and that it has been tested far beyond the little tests being done by the above people.
The players say "you are blind" and "wasting my time".
Really Notto, it is your time. I spend a lot less time trying to help than you spend chasing your tail. I'm trying to help you but clearly you'll need to learn yourself. I just really, really have a problem with someone walking repeatedly into a wall while they insist "I got this". I don't understand it. It reduces my faith in people because they willfully are so ignorant. It's on the same level as flat Earthers. You dont see yourself as a flat Earther, but you're one of many.
Being uneducated and unknowledgeable is one thing. We all go through stages like this. But for some people, it lasts a lifetime and they never really progress - not because of their intelligence, but mostly because of their attitude. Some are super slow even when trying. Some learn quicker. It took me a few years to get my head out of my ass. For me it was a stubbornness thing. But when I understood it, I understood I was being stubborn against reality. It wasnt going to change just because I really really wanted it to. It just is what it is. You either understand and accept it, or not. Telling me its all about the trot and that Im just a naysayer wont change the end result.
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Okay; let’s look at this random game, LOL. Nothing to worry about; by spin 20 we should really have had 4 repeats. You can see we got 1 repeat in spins 1-10; 11-20; again 1 repeat. So this is how a game should unfold. The larger of the two groups, non-hit and repeats; non â€"hit are hitting; like the larger group should; even with a 1/37 spin scenario
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Again; by spin 30 should see 9 repeats. I’ll bracket this part (Here you should have a game of 50/50; Repeats should be hitting; you see we’ve gone from 2 repeats, too 7 repeats) the 50/50 is happening in these 10 spins.
Now if the average is true; spins 1-10 had 9 non-hit’s; so if you believe the average from the various posted time tables, we should see 15 more non-hit’s by spin 40 making 9+15=24; 24 non-hit by spin 40.
The laughable LOTT; but is it laughable? Above you have 30 spins, 7 more to get to the cycle of 37, how many non-hits have hit so far?
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Okay, profit; not great, but those repeats came. We’ve not finished the game, yet. Spin 39 has profit from a Turbo idea. How many repeats have happened now? Answer 15. There’s still 1 spin. Repeats show their ugly head’s at a possible rate of 1-3-5-7; 16 over the 40 spins.
So by keeping watch of the non-hit the larger starting group, we’re at a 50/50 point; but with profit, why not re-set.
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So another repeat. 16 repeats; so 24 non-hit
Happens all the time.
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count, what is the usual for 60 spins? are they not 50/50?
Just another 1/37 of the same old average.
Goodnight Saint Steve
Earth is flat. Just look at the horizon. Flat.
Its not funny notto. Thats your level of understanding.
No Saint; i learnt about the curvature of the world at college. Example the supports of the Humber bridge are wider at the top to the bottom measurement; but both supports are truely upright
College? Arts degree?
Just go make real money. Make an ass out of everyone who understands primary school math. Stop wasting time with games.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 06:35 AM 2019Just go make real money.
I do and its on RNG; that's the bit you don't like.
I don't need an old dirty mac to do covert operations with a phone.
Carry on with your denigratory comments; show what you really are.
Notto, i have tried logical and structured discussions with you. You end up avoiding basic questions, then make it personal. It became clear you prefer ignorance.
If you tested properly, you would have long given up on nonsensical approaches casinos laugh at.
Pointing out you really have no idea is not deliberately negative. It just is what it is.
Sure you can make money with random bets and progression, for a while. Including the martingale. You'll know better eventually.
But i dont believe youre winning. I believe your real results are like your multiple mpr accounts, which is why you waste time on 60 spin rs charts.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 07:05 AM 2019
Notto, i have tried logical and structured discussions with you. You end up avoiding basic questions, then make it personal. It became clear you prefer ignorance.
If you tested properly, you would have long given up on nonsensical approaches casinos laugh at.
Pointing out you really have no idea is not deliberately negative. It just is what it is.
Sure you can make money with random bets and progression, for a while. Including the martingale. You'll know better eventually.
But i dont believe youre winning. I believe your real results are like your multiple mpr accounts, which is why you waste time on 60 spin rs charts.
All respect to notto, now,...he's an oldtimer, using/playin what HE believes? That is Repeaters? And I just ran this chart now (betting the last 7 numbers)....With progression....so? What's the point of these arguments?..
Since when does belief trump reality?
Have you ever tested short term and it looked good?
You know if you test 100 random strategies, sometimes theyll win. The hg, or variance?
Seriously. None of this is new. And its not personal.
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 07:27 AM 2019
Since when does belief trump reality?
Have you ever tested short term and it looked good?
You know if you test 100 random strategies, sometimes theyll win. The hg, or variance?
Seriously. None of this is new. And its jot personal.
How can you argument against that chart? And why disrespect notto? I don't get the point? :/
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 29, 07:30 AM 2019How can you argument against that chart?
Ive seen much better, with far more spins, and random bets. You arent understanding the chart is meaningless. Test over more spins. Every progression system does well, until it busts.
How many times now have you tested a littke and it looks good... then you tested more and went back to square one?
Quote from: ignatus on Jan 29, 07:30 AM 2019And why disrespect notto? I don't get the point? :/
It is not disrespect to call someone wrong, asnd explain why theyre wrong. Respect or disrespect is not at all a consideration here.
Perhaps use your last 7 spins system and see if it's any different. Im guessing it won't be any different. Am i being offensive for saying that?
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 07:37 AM 2019
Perhaps use your last 7 spins system and see if it's any different. Im guessing it won't be any different. Am i being offensive for saying that?
Well? Maybe yes? Because i ran two tests and they lasted 30 000 spins? Would that be "random luck" hmm...?
Yes, probably random luck. That was exactly my point.
Try random bet selection and progression. You'll win for some time, then crash. You also arent understanding the basics.
Even test a random system. Sometimes you beat 10k soins, sometimes not. Sometimes you'll even beat 2 x 30k spins. It can even happen in real casinos. You need to understand the basics.
Does a chart in the green mean the system works?
Quote from: Steve on Jan 29, 07:51 AM 2019
Yes, probably random luck. That was exactly my point.
Try random bet selection and progression. You'll win for some time, then crash. You also arent understanding the basics.
Even test a random system. Sometimes you beat 10k soins, sometimes not. Sometimes you'll even beat 2 x 30k spins. It can even happen in real casinos. You need to understand the basics.
Does a chart in the green mean the system works?
Ok thanks anyway...
Be logical....
How can previous spins affect future spins?
It's absurd and rediculious.
Once you accept that's a fact (and it really really is) then by default you have to get to the next position which is that all triggers are worthless as is virtual play for the same reason.
The average life of a man is let's say 70 years so you've already wasted ten years of your own and everyone else's life who has ever been unfortunate enough to have read any of your systems.
Please let's not waste another ten. Thanks.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jan 29, 09:26 AM 2019
How can previous spins affect future spins?
But if you're looking for a biased wheel, you do take past spins into account, don't you? It does not ''affect'' future spins, but you can suspect a reason for the wheel to behave in a certain manner. It helps ''expect'' future spins.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jan 29, 09:26 AM 2019
Be logical....
How can previous spins affect future spins?
Please let's not waste another ten. Thanks.
Well, first off, you were once also a "beginner" and doin all sorts of "experiments", we all do? Let's not forget the fun part of this game? Maybe it's no "fun" for you to explore new ideas and strategies, and test them, and post your results...no, perhaps not all do that...But what i want to say? It's all a learning-experience...and it's also the "entertainment" and "enjoyment" of the roulette-game, that simulates me. I don't know about what "simulates you"? A HG? All winning, no loss? When you get to that point, what's the "fun" in the game? For me, it's the challange, that is the fun part....cheers
I have done a fair amount of testing of both flat bet and progression systems. The vast majority have gone into the red past about the 10 to 20k spin mark, either due to the progression getting too high or mounting losses to zero reflecting the large amounts bet
Here I never see the progressions crashing out. This is at odds with both my results and expected behaviour.
I can only conclude that one or more of the following is taking place.
1. There is an error in the simulations
2. The RNG used is not good enough to produce truly random numbers. For example long periods of dominance by one position which is sure to wreck any progression .
3. The number of trials is not enough to demonstrate the true nature of the system.
4. Typical casino table limits designed to nullify progressions are not being observed
5. The originators are being economical with truth and only posting winning trials.
I am a system player too and it is fun to test things.
But I'm only interested in money management for EC betting where I'm only placing myself at a 1.35% disadvantage.
Bet selection is completely irrelevant and a random choice of either red or black each spin is satisfactory.
Is there a code for making RX select a random choice each spin? If not then it's fine to use a code that forces it to always bet using a cycle of red red black black red red black black regardless of the results.
This should be the default position for starting any system discussion.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jan 29, 10:12 AM 2019
But I'm only interested in money management for EC betting where I'm only placing myself at a 1.35% disadvantage.
What have you tried so far?
Flat betting min amount on EC single zero is clearly the way to go if you are going to be placing bets without AP methods.
I sometimes do it when hanging around looking at wheels or collecting data. Im fully aware I pay 13p on a £10 bet for the privelege. But it is very low cost compared to other wagers or stuff like slots.
There is something called the Johnson series for normal lab progression.
The line starts off (00000001) I'm not advocating it as a winning method but it's good in that it keeps the bets low, thus limiting your loss.
I've been doing this sh!t for years. I've read probably over 100 books and ebooks.
I've played with countless stuff on RX and with Excel and I've read hours and hours of forums.
I've also played thousands of hours online and at real casinos around the world.
So I do have some experience.
I'm thinking I would like to develop an automated RX or Excel sheet for a method that combines the Star pre-progression with the Mongoose and Trioplay money management plans.
Just did a quick reading on the three MM you just mentionned. They all are relatively complex. How would you mix them all together?
Could you start a new topic please and we can discuss it there hopefully peacefully without any unnecessary disruption?
I guess it can be done!
It was curiosity for my side, no bashing!
I was working a few months back on a hybrid of Tiers-et-tout and Reverse Labouchère. It turns out in the end to go to house edge, but at least the strategy gave a smoother loss with still a compounding effect.
Progression only controls rate of win/loss, nothing else.
If you have a system that does better or lasts longer than others, it is because you vary amount wagered, and/or the tested spins happened to suit the system.
Quote from: Let Me Win on Jan 29, 10:39 AM 2019
I've been doing this sh!t for years. I've read probably over 100 books and ebooks.
I've played with countless stuff on RX and with Excel and I've read hours and hours of forums.
I've also played thousands of hours online and at real casinos around the world.
So I do have some experience.
So in all that experience over all those years, have you kept records and calculated your total profit or loss as a percentage of your total action?
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No, roulette is a hobby I guess and it has probably cost me loads but on the nights I've won I've paid for some very exciting hookers and have some great memories.
Mainly on my tours of casinos in Asia.
This is random.org; averages.
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These spins are from G oof F orum by an old poster on roulette forum, trellw26.
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You see average to hit, up to the 19th non-hit 2 spin, up to the 25th non-hit 3 spins. Surely you can get a profit?
Now Turbo wins with #21 but not #35
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So from the 1st win #34, you see R1’s keep coming, but you have to keep betting the 1 hit. But why keep betting all 1hit? Here dropped all 1 hit; as what reason would you drop some of the 1hit. So by just betting R1’s @ unit of 5, eventually a win happens, but still no profit.
Again drop all R1 and bet all R2’s, and we see #21 hits again, giving profit.
So we need a yardstick on gaps and repeats, over to you Mako and Big Bro Ben.
Here from G oof F orum 76 spin by member Jacob Blaze.
Another good set.
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So going forward; how many actual #’s get hot? Do we use cycles or X number of spins like here 76.
Here we see we’re betting on 5; 1hit’s. If you make a decision to use only 4 numbers per group, on the 1hit’s we drop the furthest back, so drop #7. But as the General would say we’re curve fitting, but you can see these spins the #7 is going to hit on spin 19. But like Turbo said drop some, but some may come back.
Now with the #7 back, you can see spin 30; #7 lands again, but will we have dropped it again as decision is too bet only 4 numbers from each group.
The 16#’s not on sheet, that #7 is still going strong.
Notto,
I'm guessing that It takes you more time to create those charts than it does for you to play your 76 spins.
Why don't you spend more time playing so that you can post a more statistically relevant test? ::)
Perhaps consider posting some logic and math behind your ideas. Proof of concept carries more weight than meaningless charts and graphs.
Best of Luck,
-The General
Just for your information; i do play, and it's on mickey mouse RNG in UK bookies. But the best of it dickhead is it plays just like your posted star burst spins. Bet you wished you never posted them now.
Look dickhead on R-sim just bet the 4 hottest from the groups. here used 1-3-9-27
You best stay at G oof F orum
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Quote from: The General on Feb 03, 02:23 PM 2019Why don't you spend more time playing so that you can post a more statistically relevant test? ::)
Perhaps consider posting some logic and math behind your ideas. Proof of concept carries more weight than meaningless charts and graphs.
Notto whether you like him or not, his points are valid. You are wasting your time with repeaters. Its fallacy that existed since gamling began.
Thanks Saint Steve
Notto, i dont particularly care if you're an ostrich. I still sleep.
Same here Saint; lose no sleep over you and your sidekick
Its not us you or anyone else needs to worry about. Its yours and other people's financial position when stupid old fallacies are attempted in casinos. Like the martingale, any progression can do well for a while, and then...
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I know why u picked up #7 but I dont understand why not 11 and why 15 later.
So we all know what is fact, the only point which is missing is how do we decide which 4 or 5 numbers we chose. Because it was already tested... just to pick the first 5 repeaters wont be in profit longterm. Like mako said on page 3 regarding the first example. Why did turbo only bet 21 & 34 and why he was not betting on the other repeaters. Has it something to do with pattern, dozen, lot
Member Nasty this is your reply on G oof F orum Jacob Blaze's 76 spins; at spin 38 you can be 2580 units up; using the above posted method. But remember its curve fitting to the two experts on here.
Turbo's ways are subject to ridicule on here as well. Shaking heads and other stupid gif's and comments.
Anyone gullible enough to follow nottos and turbo's nonsense should be aware it's garbage. But you wont know that before proper testing (unless you already understand the huge holes in the logic). A brief explanation about proper testing is at link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/testing/ - I need to add more there but its just the basics, most people dont do.
And notto you can go on and on with publishing charts of 100 or so spins. But you are going to continue to get hit with reality and logic from people that know better. Unless you post on a flat earth forum, or in the system players forum.
Also if anyone is basing their interest in turbo's nonsense on his winnings at unrealistic "play for fun" games like parx or RS, read back in this thread. I've explained how anyone can get top rankings on those games. It just takes someone with basic knowledge of the math, and lots of time to waste on winning fun money - the kind of time that turbo spends winning play money to convince gullible people he's a master.
The best software to test is either RX with a proper source of spins (not the default RNG), or custom software to test a principle like I published free. You can also use the game at :.rouletteplayers.org/register (with random.org TRNG spins) but it isnt the best option because large volume testing will take too long. The typical 100 spin charts you see from people like notto are quite worthless. The data is far too short term. You can easily get the same results with random bet selection.
HOW TO CONVINCE INEXPERIENCED PLAYERS YOU HAVE THE HG:
Step 1: Leave any games you're losing at, make excuses for leaving.
Step 2: Play an unrealistic game that anyone can beat. Publish your amazing-looking results.
Step 3: Proclaim the game to be fair, realistic, and impossible to cheat. Hope that nobody else has so much time to waste on play money.
WHEN THINGS GO WRONG:
Say someone like Bago has the time, and nearly doubles your bankroll like he did here:
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The next step is claim Bago cheated:
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Again, anyone can do this. I explained exactly how earlier in this thread. Basically with RS, use the broad betting limits to extend progressions, and aim to increase bankroll by any amount for each successive session, then reset. It will give a slow steady bankroll increase that looks cool. It also helps to use linux server rng which is notoriously flawed.
It isn't personal Turbo. You're misleading people and the majority of members across all forums are progressively understanding it. There is nothing unique about your bet selection - the accuracy is still random. All you have is progression exploiting broad table limits, and likely bad rng.
Interesting how when Turbo loses at MPR, he says the game is just flawed, has bugs etc. But RS is much better and cant be beaten, except by turbo, because random is predictable. And when others double turbo's bankroll, then RS must be flawed.. and he better contact the RS admin to complain. Seriously. Its the tip of the iceberg.
Bago handily beat Turbo's score within one day, just for the hell of it. And something tells me that he wasn't playing the trot or Turbo's system. ::)
I wonder why the MPR is so much harder for them to beat? ::)
Quote from: The General on Feb 03, 11:48 PM 2019I wonder why the MPR is so much harder for them to beat?
Yep, well, as if his contradictions and logic errors weren't enough to know better. Time for him to move onto his next play money game.
But why would he need to move onto his next play money game; when this happens.
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At +483; and going to 50 unit would you carry on, or reset. Me i'd reset and carry on building the bank roll
Those 1/37 spins have to give repeats; so why would one need a dodgy phone or wobbly wheels.
Off to put my head back in the sand Saint savior Steve
Notto, youre not playing with a full deck.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 04, 02:51 AM 2019Those 1/37 spins have to give repeats;
After 1 spin, theres a 1 in 37 chance the next spin will be a repeat. If theres no repeat after 2 spins, then theres a 2/37 chance, and so on. It all comes from 1 in 37. I explained the math before. Its just basic probability. How can you not understand it by now?
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 04, 02:51 AM 2019so why would one need a dodgy phone or wobbly wheels.
Because they give better than 1 in 37. They win millions and are more dodgey than your ancient theories?
Red will eventually spin. It has to, right? Thats the key to the hg too, right? Come on notto. Surely youre not that behind are you?
Turbo assumed in another forum follwing play, maybe someone could code it?! Played some sessions which were quite good.
Play a random number ( i played 4 numbers at the same time ) with 1 unit.
Add a unit on any win within 37 spins. When the next win needs more than 37 spins go back to 1 unit.
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 04, 02:51 AM 2019
Those 1/37 spins have to give repeats; so why would one need a dodgy phone or wobbly wheels.
Off to put my head back in the sand Saint savior Steve
You know those red numbers have to repeat too. Go get em! :xd:
don't bet on outside; thought a genius like you would known that
Quote from: nottophammer on Feb 18, 05:35 PM 2019
don't bet on outside; thought a genius like you would known that
A real question for you. Why should the law of the third allow you to win more than the law of the EC? If you track the EC you'll find that over the long run it's always realllllll close to 18/38 on the double zero wheel. So if you can exploit the law of the third then why can you exploit the law of the EC?
Attack the message...not the messenger if you can.
If you have an advantage, inside bets are the only way to win.
If you dont, inside bets are just a way to lose more (37 No. wheel only)
The enticing thing about outside bets is they can convince you that you have an advantage when you don't, in more ways than one.
@The General I sent you a Pm. Sorry, missed your Jan one, but have hopefully got the settings changed now.
Quote from: The General on Feb 18, 09:16 PM 2019
A real question for you. Why should the law of the third allow you to win more than the law of the EC? If you track the EC you'll find that over the long run it's always realllllll close to 18/38 on the double zero wheel. So if you can exploit the law of the third then why can you exploit the law of the EC?
Attack the message...not the messenger if you can.
good question General...
ive proven the mechanics of the roulette wheel..law of the third or equilibrium as i like to call it..
I,ll look into the Ec side see if there is actually a law for that too...if i come up with anything i,ll let you know as it,ll take some time
Quote from: The General on Feb 18, 09:16 PM 2019So if you can exploit the law of the third then why can you exploit the law of the EC?
If you can exploit the law of the third then can you can exploit
the law of the EC.
This is pure logic.
btw. "the law of the third" is just a number (0.3679) as the more math related here know >:D
(they don't)
Quote from: Herby on Feb 19, 04:25 AM 2019
If you can exploit the law of the third then can you can exploit the law of the EC.
This is pure logic.
Exactly right and less stressful and taxing on the brain as well.
Believe it or not, most of it was already proposed in one shape or another.
It just takes some organizational skills putting things in order.
Now I will get accused of talking in an esoteric fashion or just plain talking out of my backside (but who cares really)
In a game of chess, for a skilled player, there are different stages such as a beginning, middle and end game. I liken the EC bets to this because you have to build a framework to give you the best possible chance to succeed. If you consider each attack as a 'game' then you are already in a position where you can limit the damage should things not go according to plan however rare that may be.
To cut to the chase however, you don't have a winning EC strategy if you need to rely on streaks, chops, terrible two's or whatever exclusively. It shouldn't matter to you how the EC's pan out because you will be in rhythm through your 'beginning, middle and end game'. Progressions or even a mild one are only a disaster if you don't understand what's currently happening or have a very limited gameplan.
Well that's my considered 2 cents anyhow! See you around. :thumbsup:
I received an anonymous message claiming turbos cheating method was revealed to rs admin, so now the rs admin fixed the problem and reset all scores. I see now rs scores are reset.
I'm not sure what truth there is. But it will be interesting to see what turbos excuse will be if he can't demonstrate winning every session again.
There are some gullible people...
I thought it was actually turbo who reported another member to get it sorted for cheating ..check the other site yourself to see what’s gone on
Quote from: Steve on Mar 03, 06:33 AM 2019
I received an anonymous message claiming turbos cheating method was revealed to rs admin, so now the rs admin fixed the problem and reset all scores. I see now rs scores are reset.
I'm not sure what truth there is. But it will be interesting to see what turbos excuse will be if he can't demonstrate winning every session again.
There are some gullible people...
steve, you need to have the facts straight, before saying things.
first someone tried the hack turbo's acount over at RS. Not long after, bago was caught cheating on RS. turbo found out and reported it to the RS admin.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 03, 07:06 AM 2019
I thought it was actually turbo who reported another member to get it sorted for cheating ..check the other site yourself to see what’s gone on
Correct. Bago did his usual Bizarro-Superman thing where he comes out of hiding after Turbo posts a play example, and elevated himself to a new level of high school stalker status by not only trying to manipulate RS results himself for his own play, but then trying to hack into Turbo's own RS account...this is of course after he posted as Turbo himself in the Wiz forum, copying and pasting one of TG's posts as if Turbo was claiming to the Wiz's members that he had a grail. :xd:
That Nasa broad who drove a thousand miles wearing a diaper to kill the girlfriend of an Astronaut that had dumped her thinks Bago is "going too far"... :twisted:
If you're quick get over to R-sim and look at the high score list. Bless
"Saint Steve"...lol notto... >:D
Again I wasnt sure exactly what the situation was. I had a closer look and it appears:
1. Turbo raved about how RS was just as realistic about any game, and that he NEVER LOST.
2. Bago found the cheating loophole that enabled anyone to never lose.
3. Turbo said he won fair and square, and that Bago cheated.
4. Turbo complained to rs admin, who appears to have fixed the problem and reset the scores.
5. Turbo's NEVER LOSE system doesn't work anymore.
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Turbo may have complained, but I dont think he expected his score would also be reset. :lol:
Mako saint steve found it LOL
Quote from: jekhb76 on Mar 03, 01:05 PM 2019bago was caught cheating on RS. turbo found out and reported it to the RS admin.
Seems obvious to me bago didnt care anyone knew he cheated. He just wanted to show how Turbo NEVER LOSES.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 03, 01:48 PM 2019If you're quick get over to R-sim and look at the high score list. Bless
Why "quick"? Were you at the top and knew the later result, like with MPR?
Quote from: Steve on Mar 03, 02:27 PM 2019
Again I wasnt sure exactly what the situation was. I had a closer look and it appears:
1. Turbo raved about how RS was just as realistic about any game, and that he NEVER LOST.
2. Bago found the cheating loophole that enabled anyone to never lose.
3. Turbo said he won fair and square, and that Bago cheated.
4. Turbo complained to rs admin, who appears to have fixed the problem and reset the scores.
5. Turbo's NEVER LOSE system doesn't work anymore.
Turbo may have complained, but I dont think he expected his score would also be reset. :lol:
If you think that him playing Complete The Street there, or a reverse version with Dozens, is his "Never Lose" system, you need to look again. He's just screwing around, we all do similarly.
All Bago proved is that he manipulated his own result. He didn't prove that I manipulated mine, you manipulated yours, or Turbo manipulated his.
He proved that manipulation is possible. Turbo saw it, notified the administrator of the flaw, and it's been corrected. That's all that can be delved from the entire episode.
Turbo did the same with Priyanka on MPR with you as I recall, no?
unbeleivabe steve your still going on about turbo...re read that thread properly..
don,t know why but i think you have a major Turbo complex...youve already got a lot of pages of this turbo arguement and youve brought it all up again..
youve been there done that..
Quote from: Mako on Mar 03, 02:32 PM 2019If you think that him playing Complete The Street there, or a reverse version with Dozens, is his "Never Lose" system, you need to look again. He's just screwing around, we all do similarly.
Mako, 6th-sense, and Notto. So you guys actually believe Turbo and that his system NEVER LOSES. And now that his score is reset too, he is just going to deliberately use a losing system?
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Quote from: Steve on Mar 03, 02:48 PM 2019
Mako, 6th-sense, and Notto. So you guys actually believe Turbo and that his system NEVER LOSES. And now that his score is reset too, he is just going to deliberately use a losing system?
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i didnt say that did i? i said re read the thread properly..a stupid giff for a stupid mind
Quote from: Steve on Mar 03, 02:32 PM 2019Why "quick"? Were you at the top and knew the later result, like with MPR?
No Saint i have not been top there and i wont be with the reset as i use the units as if they were my actual hard earnt cash; and don't bet crazy.
It was just fun to see old Turbo in the minus.
But Saint he will be up near the top in time.
Who cares anyway; as you say go earn your money, which i do and on the bookies RNG.
I suppose the old bury your head in the sand shite will be coming. Your stupid comments just float on by
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 03, 02:50 PM 2019i didnt say that did i?
Yes, you insinuated it. So tell us in no uncertain terms then.
Do you believe Turbo NEVER LOSES, or that he's lying?
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 03, 02:37 PM 2019
unbeleivabe steve your still going on about turbo...re read that thread properly..
don,t know why but i think you have a major Turbo complex...youve already got a lot of pages of this turbo arguement and youve brought it all up again..
youve been there done that..
where in this comment? and why does my opinion matter to you?...and turbos? as ive said youve been there done that and your behaving like one of my kids running back to tell tales to there mates without the full facts...grow up buddy..
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 03, 02:52 PM 2019as i use the units as if they were my actual hard earnt cash; and don't bet crazy.
Why wouldnt increasing bet size earn you more money? Why couldn't you win on MPR either? Why are your winnings only like 21 spins or so on a chart?
Nevermind Notto. I know the answer.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 03, 02:52 PM 2019But Saint he will be up near the top in time.
If the rs admin fixed his game, I doubt it. Wait for the excuse... He can spend months on fun money games like parx and rs.... as long as he has a loophole to NEVER LOSE. But when there's a game he cant beat, there's an excuse. It is quite sad to see people so easily misled.
Quote from: nottophammer on Mar 03, 02:52 PM 2019Who cares anyway; as you say go earn your money, which i do and on the bookies RNG.
Im sure you don't because your ideas are old fallacy. Who cares. It's not my money.
You like to stir it up; keeps your sales pitch for you phone going
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Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 03, 02:59 PM 2019why does my opinion matter to you?...and turbos?
It doesnt matter. I've explained it many times: I don't like bullsh*t. I prefer the truth. I especially dont like self-professed gurus who lie to people and mislead them.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 03, 02:59 PM 2019as ive said youve been there done that and your behaving like one of my kids
Nobody should call bullsh*t when they see it?
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 03, 02:59 PM 2019running back to tell tales to there mates without the full facts
What tales? I said what I was told, that I didnt know how much of it was true.. and when I looked further, I see the reset occurred, and turbo "deliberately losing".
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 03, 02:59 PM 2019grow up buddy..
Strange, coming from someone who repeatedly created MPR accounts like "f*ck you steve". Yes I knew.
Like I said, my interest in this case is the truth. I understand you some people prefer believing in fairies. You can. :thumbsup:
just 9 little spins
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Notto, seriously.
f*ck you steve think this was a good name to be honest..think ive only had my normal name on there..if any others would be interesting to know them too..
again here we go again...for a guy who claims he cant read or log an mpr game i find that anyone on here if steve doesnt get his own way he always can use anything you do which for some could be a privacy encroachment or trust encroachment of the main owner against you...so fXCK YOU STEVE i think was apt
Quote from: 6th-sense on Mar 03, 03:17 PM 2019think ive only had my normal name on there
Denial. I wonder why.
Quote from: Steve on Mar 03, 03:16 PM 2019for a guy who claims he cant read or log an mpr game i find that anyone on here if steve doesnt get his own way he always can use anything you do which for some could be a privacy encroachment or trust encroachment of the main owner against you...so fXCK YOU STEVE i think was apt
I've explained the mpr logs many times. It's nothing like video recording sessions of RS. Perhaps you aren't intelligent enough to see through Turbo's excuses. Sorry I don't believe in fairies. Why make it personal?
Turbo has the HG and never loses. Now he is deliberately losing to mess with us. He can take the #1 position anytime he wants. A system only needs to beat a few spins. Larger tests are irrelevant. Unicorns are real. Earth is flat. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on Mar 03, 05:30 PM 2019
Denial. I wonder why.
I've explained the mpr logs many times. It's nothing like video recording sessions of RS. Perhaps you aren't intelligent enough to see through Turbo's excuses. Sorry I don't believe in fairies. Why make it personal?
Turbo has the HG and never loses. Now he is deliberately losing to mess with us. He can take the #1 position anytime he wants. A system only needs to beat a few spins. Larger tests are irrelevant. Unicorns are real. Earth is flat. :thumbsup:
No denial..stop cherry picking bits of quotes..as I said apart from fxck you Steve I thought I only used my normal name..also asked you if I had any others as it would be interesting..
That’s not denial?
Also post whatever you want about any accounts as you well know I don’t play On mpr..how many spins or even a days did I actually play?..
Don’t twist things to suit yourself..
Pick your dummy back up ..get over turbo and get some professional therapy if you can’t manage on your own ..
So post away I’m not in denial over anything
Slight aside, does anyone know why people try to game or cheat these fun roulette forums. Is it just for the sport, or maybe a prelude to selling a system? Surely it's the real life results that count, either in B&M or proper cash game in an online casino.
Well I know if I had the HG, I wouldnt waste months of my time on rigged games like parx. Turbo said many times he does it to convince people his system works. For ages he denied parx was rigged. And more recently, he claimed RS was realistic. Why would he choose verifiably rigged games as proof? Hmm. The whole situation is just crap, and the result is wasting people's time for his kicks. Some gullible people just still dont get it. Its their time & money.
Quote from: Firefox on Mar 03, 09:21 PM 2019
Slight aside, does anyone know why people try to game or cheat these fun roulette forums. Is it just for the sport, or maybe a prelude to selling a system? Surely it's the real life results that count, either in B&M or proper cash game in an online casino.
Good question.
My question is - must
everyone who post nice winning RS graphs automatically make him a cheat or scammer ?
General and Taotie tauts MPR as the gold standard of proof.
We are brainwashed to believe such shit. :thumbsup:
Final question for General, now that RS plugs the cheat loophole, do RS graphs receive better legitimacy from you ? Or status quo ?
Sorry, this silly denial of legitimacy cut no ice.
Quote from: luckyfella on Mar 03, 10:32 PM 2019General and Taotie tauts MPR as the gold standard of proof.
We are brainwashed to believe such shit.
Even more brainwashed to believe turbo never loses (except when he means to, just to mess with us), Parx and RS were chosen because they were realistic, repeaters is the secret to the HG, and all verifiable math from educated professionals is wrong. Some would call it delusion.
Quote from: luckyfella on Mar 03, 10:32 PM 2019Final question for General, now that RS plugs the cheat loophole, do RS graphs receive better legitimacy from you ? Or status quo ?
If the loophole was corrected yes. But to make RS a better game, a verifiable source of proper RNG would need to be used - like MPR.
MPR is just an interface, with normal roulette payouts. The core of the game is the quality of spins (random.org), and immutable results decided server-side (like a real online casino), and the option for anyone to verify the spins haven't been tampered with. Does it mean MPR is the gold standard? Actually Id consider it at least the bare minimum. Although you cant verify the legitimacy of spins even at real casinos.
The real gold standard is a real casino with real money. MPR is just a game, albeit with proper rng spins.
But even with real casinos and money, you need to understand statistical relevance and variance - concepts way beyond some people's minds, despite simple concepts. Poor Notto cant think beyond his 9 spins.
It is fascinating how some of you attack everything and everyone who dares point out why approaches don't work. It's a conspiracy. It's time some of you wake up. You're really thickheaded. The world of mathematicians and statisticians is not out to get you. Some of you dont even understand primary school math - literally. It doesnt affect anyone but you, so take or leave the advice. Don't laugh at flat earthers. You're one of them.
Has anyone tried this method successfully?
Big Money
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1st colour matrix; Spin 19, +60
Now see how many R1’s; spin 29, +137
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#22 last spin
Repeats are alive
Big M you try; #33 last spin
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Spin 18 colour matrix +70
wait for spin 20; now bet all R1’s; spin 26 +75; only 5 units for repeats. Still a win is a win
Take rows of black like that all day long :thumbsup:
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Hi all,
Turbo's system tested to the limit
As he said in one post " Losing is not possible"
Cheers Turbo a true genius
Sorry, I can't tell if you're joking or serious.
Steve put up your results for session of your pocket computer
Bigmoney, are you having a stab at me for my comment about Rulet's results? You might want to research what's available for my "pocket computers" before having a stab at me. But it's not relevant here.
His chart is almost all red, and right at the end he gets lucky and ends up slightly in the green. And that's supposed to be proof of something? Like I said, I wasn't sure if he was joking or not.
There's no reason these repeater systems should give consistently positive results.
I am sure what happens is that the promoters of such systems do multiple runs and display the favourable graphs, thus convincing people with gambling problems who want to believe, that there is something based on a fallacy method that works.
This misinformation gets repeated over time by those selling the system on, thus developing a kind of folklore which is capable of deceiving new and unsuspecting people into the same web of deceit.
Even on a mobile phone, I can set the execution speed to max, and execute 50,000 spins in 7 seconds. No doubt the performance of this type of event would be almost instant on a good desktop, so these systems should be easy to debunk.
Yes one problem is they arent properly testing the systems. They dont even understand what's required and why.
I think some of them know, but are less than honest with what output they show. Its even possible to slip in things like negative bets, and send graphs soaring.
Big M; DTown and Mauri
See reading the riddles, can inspire and come to away to bet for the repeats.
One has to try various ways.
Think of the colour matrix; does one just dive in?
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 26, 09:31 AM 2019
Big M; DTown and Mauri
See reading the riddles, can inspire and come to away to bet for the repeats.
One has to try various ways.
Think of the colour matrix; does one just dive in?
You guys aren't just reading riddles, you're also sniffing farts. Tubo's repeater system was exposed as fake once they fixed the RS so that people could no longer cheat. ::)
Hola, soy nuevo en este foro a penas llevo unos dÃas registrado, pero si he estudiado varias cosas interesantes y una de ellas es al tal Turbo y también vi a varias decir que ya habÃan descubierto lo de Turbo y que funciona.
También he mirado a un tal pasión ruleta que dice saber que hace Turbo y algo sobre la ley de desintegración.
Estuve mirando todo lo que decÃa Turbo y también esa ley de desintegración y parece que si hay números que parecen cumplir una serie de salidas en un tiempo.
Bueno solo querÃa hacer mi primera publicación y me gustarÃa poder estudiar algo para ganar y estoy interesado en ayudar y que me ayuden .
So if you have done your homework, by the way, I don’t post riddles.
From the graph you can see by waiting till the 20th spin paid off.
You can see the TROT shown by countback; the 17th non-hit is way ahead of where it should be, courtesy of spins 11-20; +3 on the even distributed 5 non-hit. So quoted before you don’t want to be betting more than 8 R1’s, so profit; re-set.
Now there’s 85 spins so we can see what the checkpoint shows for 60 spins.
General you can have a bucket of KFC spin 16, +51 job done. And don't give the old bollox -56 if you knew how KTF worked you're gone.
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General you're just a waste of space.
Now the old average at 60 spins; is 29.5 non-hit, so with 28 over 60 spins, R-sim played a perfect game, like your posted star burst spins, same old averages for this 1/37 spin and no memory.
Note to myself totally ignore a you.
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Arh the 1/37 :yawn:
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General; you must not like Priyanka giving the tester, shows this mystical TROT of the 1/37.
Spins 11-40; 16 non-hit’s, +1 on the known average of 15
59 spins; only 6 more non-hits to find, I suppose it’ll take 500 more spins to find those 6.
After the re-set; waited for the 4, R1’s and won spin 33. But repeats is like sniffing farts, easy win thou. Keep looking for the wobbly wheel’s perhaps Turbo might find you one, on his winning travels.
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General Repeats are coming fast; so when profit made, Re-set. Not many spins but do you need millions of spins :question:
General & Saint can you solve riddles?
Oh well back to the colour matrix
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 26, 04:03 PM 2019
General & Saint can you solve riddles?
Notto
Do you only throw the graph when you win or its like you win all the time?
Madi
Have you attempted to solve Turbo's riddles?
Now like the colour matrix; Dtown, Mauri and I are trying to find the best way to use the mat.
The same was trying to solve Turbo’s riddles. The graph posted was the best way I found. Now whether you know of how it’s played, I don’t care, it is to show that you can do it.
But like everything we try, we have to win more than we lose.
Madi
Just to show; no sour grapes
Perhaps you need to study more. Now averages; according to the experts on here not worth a carrot, that's what they say. But perhaps you should have a look at the 15 non-hit's that on average hit in spins 11-40
Confused. Actually which system do you play? Is it a different system different winning graph?
Perhaps you can tell us more about turbos system
i've carried on from betting 4 R1's and now won; but there's 8 R1's.
So it's now re-set.
Like Brains and Co: i don't know Turbo's method.
I just kept trying different ideas.
If you don't keep trying and just jump from method to method, like some on here, then you have no chance.
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 26, 06:43 PM 2019
Like Brains and Co: i don't know Turbo's method.
I just kept trying different ideas.
If you don't keep trying and just jump from method to method, like some on here, then you have no chance.
Who is brain nd co? Keep trying different idea is similar to jumping one to another. Just wondering after reset and reset does it goes up over a period of time or up nd down nd down
As far as i know Turbos method is based on repeater with a brutal progression. Have u tried it?
I have tried 1-5-25 but on R-sim the 3000 gets caught
Madi
Here are the last 40 spins
The last number is zero.
The spins 1-10 had 1 repeat.
So 9 plus the average of 15 =24 so in spins 11-40. See how many non-hits have come. How close to that avg: 15
Does 1-5-25 means u need to get a hit on a number 3 times?
Quote from: Madi on Apr 26, 06:57 PM 2019
Does 1-5-25 means u need to get a hit on a number 3 times?
That's how it comes across in the riddles. But then you have the puzzle of not to bet too many numbers. That's the part that is the stumbling block.
So you have to find how to not bet too many numbers, and that's hard, plenty of thinking needed.
I solved turbos "riddles" long ago. I also explained his system from those riddles. And its useless. Ever wonder why he can't rank on rs anymore, since cheating loophole was fixed?
Okay I had the re-set and like just said, you don’t want to be betting too many numbers.
This win was getting close to bust as betting 13 R1’s. You only want to bet say 8 numbers. Here you see another 20 spins before betting, with just 4 R1’s. Now if I had bet the 1-5-25 it would have bust the 3000. But I could see the R1’s were just coming, repeats, so I could use 1-3-9-27.
If you can see the game; but this is where the experts don’t agree as they say the game is just 1/37
I can’t care less nearly all 40 spin games of okay 40*1/37 have 15 non-hit’s land in spins 11-40.
It’s now gone midnight and I’ll show you how fast the repeats were coming with countback tomorrow.
Post away i'm off to bed
See you later's
Quote from: nottophammer on Apr 26, 07:15 PM 2019
That's how it comes across in the riddles. But then you have the puzzle of not to bet too many numbers. That's the part that is the stumbling block.
So you have to find how to not bet too many numbers, and that's hard, plenty of thinking needed.
I can give a hand if u like
From last night on R-sim
After the win; re-set
Ok
spins 1-10;10/10 so at spin 40 you expect to see 25 non-hits
spins 11-20; 8,+3
spins 21-30; 13,+3
spins 31-40; At spin 32 you've got 25 non-hit's landed, so it's a fast game for non-hit
Now with 18 non-hit by spin 20 what prog: are you going to use? Well unit of 1 and see how fast R1's come and i don't mean Yamaha.
Betting 4 R1's at spin 24, by spin 25 there's 6 R1's. So using 1-5-25 is out. better to use a lower Prog: here 1-2-4-8
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So you need to be able to read this poxy 1/37 talked of, but then you'll be told it don't have a memory. Believe that don't gamble then.
Re-set
Now is the RNG giving lots of non-hit's early at this moment in time?
Again spins 1-10; 10/10
Spins 11-20; 7,+2 nothing unusual the known avg: But only 2,R1's. So wait
spin 23; 4 R1's, we get a win 2 spins later, carry on, win again, carry on with the 4,R1's, win 3 spins later. Now there's still 17 non-hit's to come and 15 hit once against us.
Best to re-set.
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So Dtown and Mauri
See studying how the non-hit arrives has a bearing in all methods.
Those non-hits have a colour; could the amount of red non-hits’ that have hit be the repeating colour or another non-hit of that colour. When would Black come into the mix or vice versa?
I think I have finally discovered how TurboGenius plays.
It is not just playing any old 2 repeats that the wheel throws at you.
You have to lookout for something else in order to limit the numbers down!
Ok here’s a clue look at the thread “basics no one wants to hearâ€
That’s all I can say
TurboGenius a true genius
Many thanks turbo
Rulet
Using the info in the 37 back to basics thread, the answer is in there. In 37 spins you avg 13 unhits, 24 numbers hit and you get 12 doubles(repeats).
If you have no repeats in your first 8,10,12 spins, what's going to to happen? You are going to get a repeat about every 2-3 spins. I know it's not that easy as you don't know which numbers will repeat but it's a starting point.
Yeah many of us discovered how he plays. His clues arent that difficult. I explained it already in this thread.
The problem is his method is garbage. Gullible and inexperiemced people dont know any better. Youll learn eventually. Just dont waste too much time.
Quote from: Rulet on Apr 28, 01:30 PM 2019I think I have finally discovered how TurboGenius plays.
What is the difference who how play?
Are only way which leads to winnings - must predict what will be - better. If you that will not do - you can't be a winner in the long run.
From talks with him in different forums, I think, that he does not know how to predict what will be better.
Are some peoples who say, that he such special talk that others will think about him like about which who cant win...but I do not see in that logic...
I took a look at TG's repeater system. This is what I did:
You're going to need at least Five Bankrolls
of 36 units @ $1/number bet. 180 total units
Track until you have a twice-hit repeat single. Bet that number with one chip.
As each unique single becomes a twice-hit repeater bet those numbers also.
Once you get a hit add a chip on that number (two chips on a twice-repeater)
**From my experience you will usually go to a balance of about 50 units before a turnaround
Here is Track Four Roulette to track unhit singles, uniques and repeaters
Yes but turbo posts black and white videos from around 1960, which demonstrate basic probability. And uneducated players think theres something special about it. Its all so convincing to uneducated and gullible people, until they properly test, or consider turbo cant win since the rs cheating loophole was fixed.
You can think about roulette very simple - say are no ball. Simply disk with numbers are rotated and somewhere are arrow when the disk will stop, an arrow will point to winning number... How you can win? The only way is to measure disk speed and look for a relationship with left distance. No, the system no something else :) .
And yours repeaters also not do any influence :)
They make up patterns in their minds that don't exist. And when they test 50 or so spins, they see a spins that suit their theory. They don't bother testing fully.
What about +1000 at 10 thousand played spins flat bet?
With 1 number abd 1 unit
So 1000 losses to get back to zero?
Is this still variance
Yes you can get that with random bets too.
Yes, the Turbo cult evaporated once the cheating scam was exposed.
Quote from: The General on Apr 29, 10:43 PM 2019
Yes, the Turbo cult evaporated once the cheating scam was exposed.
Wrong . They r still there doing great.
U r the one who is living in dole after the broken is on museum.
Seriously only the junkies can think of broken wheel now a days.🤪
Quote from: Madi on Apr 29, 11:48 PM 2019
Wrong . They r still there doing great.
U r the one who is living in dole after the broken is on museum.
Seriously only the junkies can think of broken wheel now a days.🤪
Nope. None of the Turbo cult members have a significant score/ranking on the roulette sim or on this forum. ::)
However, I am still marvelous!
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 12:08 AM 2019
Nope. None of the Turbo cult members have a significant score/ranking on the roulette sim or on this forum. ::)
However, I am still marvelous!
U dont need turbo follower. Any of the player scoring millions proves that there system works and dont need any junk wheel.
All systems are not turbo system and its not necessary for all to play turbo system
Quote from: Madi on Apr 30, 12:19 AM 2019
U dont need turbo follower. Any of the player scoring millions proves that there system works and dont need any junk wheel.
All systems are not turbo system and its not necessary for all to play turbo system
Nope. None of you are winning dirt since Bago exposed Turbo.
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 12:45 AM 2019
Nope. None of you are winning dirt since Bago exposed Turbo.
U r free for ur opinion. But fact remains the same. Notto will keep winning, people will keep placing u in block list nd last of all junk wheel remain in museum or in bin. Doesnt matter the amount of vodka .....
Quote from: Madi on Apr 30, 01:02 AM 2019Notto will keep winning
I do not know who keeps winning, who not, but I met about 10 persons in live and maybe more in skype conferences and nobody showed in meetings what they claimed in forum talks...
For turbo I also that suggested, he of course not accepted and I think is clear - why.
If man post thousands of posts in forums, spent thousand hours in them, trying to show how smart he is, but can't spend an hour or so in real time to show that he really can win, I think, talk much and very clear who he is....
Quote from: Madi on Apr 30, 01:02 AM 2019
U r free for ur opinion. But fact remains the same. Notto will keep winning, people will keep placing u in block list nd last of all junk wheel remain in museum or in bin. Doesnt matter the amount of vodka .....
Notto doesn't win dirt either. Just look at his curve fit graphs. ::)
Madi,
By the way, blocking knowledge and posters that are vastly more experienced that you guys are is pretty stupid.
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 04:13 AM 2019
Notto doesn't win dirt either. Just look at his curve fit graphs. ::)
General, i win, i eat KFC. You must be as thin as fu-ck living off wobbly wheels.
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Apr 30, 02:12 AM 2019
I do not know who keeps winning, who not, but I met about 10 persons in live and maybe more in skype conferences and nobody showed in meetings what they claimed in forum talks...
For turbo I also that suggested, he of course not accepted and I think is clear - why.
If man post thousands of posts in forums, spent thousand hours in them, trying to show how smart he is, but can't spend an hour or so in real time to show that he really can win, I think, talk much and very clear who he is....
Why should someone prove their system in ur kitchen? If u met 10 junki nd none of them winning , whats wrong with that?
R u the certified body so that someone need to test infront of u and pass it?
Quote from: The General on Apr 30, 04:32 AM 2019
Madi,
By the way, blocking knowledge and posters that are vastly more experienced that you guys are is pretty stupid.
Where did u find knowledge? I can see just a pure junk.
Broken wheel now a days. Huh!!
Someone collect data from casino to casino , do a chi test . Ureka. Broken wheel alert!!
U know what , government should stop paying cash , instead they should put the money in card only can be used in food store. No cash out.
Too much VODKA
Madi, where is turbo and his followers on the rs leaderboard?
Dont you think its suspicious turbo chose to brag about his system on parx (which is rigged), and rs (which had a cheating loophole)?
Don't you think its odd now that the rs cheating loophole is fixed, that turbo cant rank anymore?.. especially considering he says he NEVER loses.
Don't you think its odd turbo left mpr when he started losing, then said it was because I might steal his system, but instead played at rs where sessions can be replayed like a video recording?
Notto isn't winning either. On mpr he has multiple accounts. He abandons accounts once they are losing. Anyone can appear like they're winning if they highlight only winning accounts.
There's much more. Don't be so gullible.
And you not liking Caleb doesn't change what works and what doesn't.
Bias is still more viable than you think. Albeit only realistically viable imo with a network of educated scouts. Besides he made clear he plays vb too.
What do you think casinos are more afraid of... repeaters, or AP? Why?
And ironically, the only circumstance where repeaters would threaten casinos is with heavy bias. But still tracking repeaters would be a very poor approach.
I told you guys from the very beginning that RS could be cheated, and I've been messing around a bit on RS lately and suspect there is still a way to cheat....stay tuned for that one.
AP guys, can't you just let adult forum members go about their roulette journeys regardless of your seemingly superior informed knowledge and opinions? The vast majority of active members are mature adults who can make their own life decisions without constant and unrelenting criticism. It's like you guys have to fill in a blank hour or two of your lives every now and then in order to justify your existence to others. :yawn:
We get it that there are occasional newbies coming and going that could get fleeced by scammers, but the vast majority of those at risk will already be protected somewhat by the many experienced members on the forums. You don't need to worry about them, or anyone else for that matter. Besides, true scammers are few and far between.
Why not share your AP knowledge in a positive manner. Encourage further learning and promote the physical aspects of the game through friendly negotiation. It might not altogether work but it will not fail completely as it has done so far.
Taotie, say someone deliberately misleads inexperienced players. Should more experienced players call bullshit, and explain details?
What if the bullshitter is incredibly persistent and gullible people are falling for it? Should we back off and allow inexperienced people to be fooled, just because it might annoy people?
My view is strong bullshit should be met with at least equally persistent opposition. It will annoy some people, and others will appreciate it. The people interested in the truth, without delusion, are higher priority.
Keep in mind I've had complaints from readers who lost money from bullshit they read here. Yes they weren't bright but but it sure doesn't help to stifle advice from experienced players.
Now if an inexperienced player is unintentionally misleading people, shouldn't experienced players speak up?
The system player board allows system players to discuss their theories etc without experienced players speaking up. Outside that area, experienced players can and do speak up when they see bullshit. Rightfully, for a productive forum. If they don't want to use it, they shouldn't complain when someone with an opposing view speaks up.
I get your point. You're referring more to trolling. An astronaut on a flat earth forum would be so over the bullshit that it would appear like trolling. He would have tried logic, math, reasoning, being nice... And they still don't get it. They end up being brash. They will be attacked. Then they may react by having a dig at their attackers. They're human too.
There are exceptions. Speaking for myself, if I see bullshit and it's likely to mislead many people, I'll say something if I have time. I see bullshit all the time here and on other forums. I mostly don't bother. I am often direct and can appear offensive. Its not malicious. I'm persistent because stupidity and ignorance annoys me, and I'm genuinely trying to help. I don't like reading earth is flat and the flat horizon is proof.
Also keep in mind refuting bullshit is mostly about accuracy, for the benefit of anyone reading. Responses are not necessarily for the person speaking bullshit, although naturally responses to bullshit are directed at the person spreading it.
Quote from: Taotie on Apr 30, 08:20 AM 2019AP guys, can't you just let adult forum members go about their roulette journeys regardless of your seemingly superior informed knowledge and opinions? The vast majority of active members are mature adults who can make their own life decisions
The system players can post their ideas in the system players forum without interruption, where AP's and maths experts are barred.
Or if they want, they have the choice to post in the general forum where the ideas are open to comment from all.
Clearly, if they are posting in the general forum, they are welcoming comment and criticism from all sides.
Quote from: Madi on Apr 30, 05:25 AM 2019Why should someone prove their system in ur kitchen?
Nobody must of course, but where is logic so avoid that? Where is benefit from avoiding? if you want to hide then why at all come here and talk?
Not me start all these talks - it's you who start bragging in your victories :).
I do not see any benefit from such brags and when somebody asks to prove - run to shrubs.
Not want to show - not start talk at all :)
Quote from: webstars on Apr 30, 09:43 AM 2019
Check
So... will you share the code or the system with us?
Turbo's method works, only if you know how to pigeonhole numbers that are hitting above average, there I said it.
Can you do it?
Have you tried it?
Anyone who has tried turbo's method and failed, try some more
Cos it WORKS!
Only used 1 pound as starting unit and mild proggression!
And why do not you tell us how to do it? :wink:
The pigeon hole is absurd.
The reason is obvious, there's one or two too many numbers on the wheel.
Quote from: Rulet on Apr 30, 11:06 AM 2019
Turbo's method works, only if you know how to pigeonhole numbers that are hitting above average, there I said it.
Can you do it?
Have you tried it?
Anyone who has tried turbo's method and failed, try some more
Cos it WORKS!
Only used 1 pound as starting unit and mild proggression!
Would you pigeonhole them according to their EC attributes?
Then don’t play all off them! simples
Play enough to win :wink:
Why should turbo give his system away on a plate, then everyone’s a winner ( noones got chicken dinner)
What do you think the casinos will do?
His time machine analogy is enough to figure out a winning strategy
And you can do it in many different ways it all works out the same
I miss turbo’s posts so inspiring they were (sighs)
Anyway, good luck
No according to how many times they show when I m playing
What does pigeonholing mean?
Think about it ?
What happens when you pigeonhole?
Something must happen for you to be able to pigeonhole
Too many clues
Turbo already revealed his system. The clues were clear enough. Problem is it doesn't work. And pigeon holes change nothing. Rulet if youre winning based on nonsense, it would be short term. Nobody answered my questions like why turbo isn't winning on rs anymore. Why?
People find out eventually. Just try and save time. Learn quicker.
How do you know he's not winning?
He obviously has his RS account switched to private so we can't see it.
Because he's not bragging like usual.
Bragging was the whole point of parx and rs. They both have leaderboards. But they both are unrealistic. Coincidence? He said himself he wanted to use them as proof for everyone.
The pigeon hole players tend to forget about the zero when applying their method.
Pigeonhole is used as a pseudo-babble soundbite by some players. Like Van de Waerden, Ramsey, or cycle, it's a valid mathematical principle.
But just because it's a valid principle, it doesn't mean it offers an exploitable advantage in a negative expectation game with extra slots and unfair pay off.
It would be a much better world if people properly tried to understand things.
When some of you do understand it, you'll feel pretty foolish because of the wasted time. Don't forget every experienced player probably went through the same learning process. So instead of thinking we are just ignorant and pigheaded, understand what is being said. Flat Earthers think you're pigheaded and ignorant when they point at the horizon and you shake your head.
Ok, ok stop pigeonholing me ;D
It's repeaters then, thats the whole point.
here's a game I played today 2 graphs continuation of one and other, only 1 session
Just wanted to see if I could alter the numbers and win some more and I did.
Some days, I wish someone would just shoot me in the head.
Quote from: Rulet on May 01, 06:21 AM 2019It's repeaters then
Exactly, it's what Mauri says, they have to come
Quote from: Rulet on May 01, 06:21 AM 2019
Ok, ok stop pigeonholing me ;D
It's repeaters then, thats the whole point.
here's a game I played today 2 graphs continuation of one and other, only 1 session
Just wanted to see if I could alter the numbers and win some more and I did.
R u passion rouletta or his scam group member?
Repeaters have to come? It's basic probability. Its useless.
Red has to come. Equally useless.
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 06:40 AM 2019Red has to come.
What like in the Random carpet ride :thumbsup:
No, I m not passion fruit ruletta.
I ain’t selling nothing, what gave you that idea?
I don’t need to beg a bankroll either.
Ok it’s up to you if you think repeaters don’t work, fine.
However, I m really interested in how your computer devices work? Can you please do a demo or publish a graph of a winning session?
How do you find a biased wheel?
Do you have to observe a million spins?
Laughs, hard
Here's another game
I'm getting better and better at choosing numbers to bet.
Practice makes near perfect
Of course you know who is the only perfect one :question:
Same game 10 more spins more money won
Your game needs to be dynamic %100
It is not mechanical, the concept (repeaters) is though
So, repeaters but dynamic not static
Now that's a good one innit?
Quote from: Rulet on May 01, 01:40 PM 2019I'm getting better and better at choosing numbers to bet.
I really doubt, to do that, you must know something.
But I very good recognize peoples who or know about what I talk, or at least are very near to that...
Really all are very simple are a semi-random numbers sequence. Numbers are simply a word, really that is distances from something. Player quality consists of two parts - one part detects that something = place from where all count and other part is how to use data which we collected from the right selected point.
I do not know how good somebody others do these two parts, but looks to me that not many are who do better :)
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on May 01, 02:04 PM 2019
Really all are very simple are a semi-random numbers sequence.
I do not know how good somebody others do these two parts, but looks to me that not many are who do better :)
Ofcourse numbers are from random sequence as wheels r throwing randrom number. He might working with some very specific property of randomness and successful.
What do u expect? To win number needs to come from a broken wheel?
"A very specific property of randomness“
This is an oxymoron :yawn:
As Wikipedia says...
Randomness is the LACK of pattern or predictability in events. A random sequence of events, symbols or steps has no order and does not follow an intelligible pattern or combination.
Quote from: Let Me Win on May 01, 05:16 PM 2019
"A very specific property of randomness“
This is an oxymoron :yawn:
As Wikipedia says...
Randomness is the LACK of pattern or predictability in events. A random sequence of events, symbols or steps has no order and does not follow an intelligible pattern or combination.
Leave the Wiki for uncle junk. We got some more knowlegde outside wiki .
By the way we dont have any junk wheel in our casino. And the casino pay big to check constantly.
Ramdom doesnt mean to see peoples bet first and draw a number against them based on wiki.
Quote from: Madi on May 01, 05:40 PM 2019By the way we dont have any junk wheel in our casino. And the casino pay big to check constantly.
You don't need bias to beat wheels. Almost every wheel can be beaten one way or another.
And casino bias analysis software doesn't check for major aspects. It is mostly just statistical analysis and doesn't detect all bias. It helps to know what you're talking about.
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 05:47 PM 2019
You don't need bias to beat wheels. Almost every wheel can be beaten one way or another.
And casino bias analysis software doesn't check for major aspects. It is mostly just statistical analysis and doesn't detect all bias. It helps to know what you're talking about.
Just name one area where they dont inspect for bias??
I have. Many times. And I repeat myself constantly because once is not enough for people to learn, because they don't really want to learn. Anyone who wants to learn only needs to have it explained once.
Quote from: Steve on Apr 30, 04:45 PM 2019
Turbo already revealed his system. The clues were clear enough. Problem is it doesn't work. And pigeon holes change nothing. Rulet if youre winning based on nonsense, it would be short term. Nobody answered my questions like why turbo isn't winning on rs anymore. Why?
People find out eventually. Just try and save time. Learn quicker.
U already told this lots of time. Why do u keep repeating ?
Refer to my previous post above.
Add the reason some people aren't bright.
The real question should be why don't some you get it, especially after the constant explanations? Why don't flat earthers get it?
Quote from: Madi on May 01, 06:28 PM 2019U already told this lots of time. Why do u keep repeating ?
Because he's Saint Steve; saviour of the newbie's
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 06:40 PM 2019
Refer to my previous post above.
Add the reason some people aren't bright.
The real question should be why don't some you get it, especially after the constant explanations? Why don't flat earthers get it?
Ur general statement doesnt matter at all. You are one of the person who doesnt know the system u r commenting on. Ur denial comes just based on wiki.
Doesnt need to be too bright. U might burn urself. Running 100k can show its down or up
Madi, like Notto, you're completely clueless. I know what I comment on better than you'll ever know. The only denial is yours. You guys unfortunately cant even understand basics. Good luck to you.
Quote from: Steve on May 01, 05:47 PM 2019You don't need bias to beat wheels. Almost every wheel can be beaten one way or another.
Then why can’t u accept that it can be beaten by playing repeaters
Quote from: Rulet on May 02, 03:05 AM 2019Then why can’t u accept that it can be beaten by playing repeaters
Because:
1. I've tried it myself and know it doesn't work. I've tested probably billions of spins with software that checks. I've also published some free software for you to test for yourself.
2. Many others have done the same, including gaming professionals. The theory of repeaters is tested to exhaustion. There is no doubt. Only someone completely uneducated and unaware and ignorant of what gaming mathematicians and statisticians do would say otherwise.
3. There is no convincing evidence to support the theory that repeaters is at all better than random bets.
Should I go on? For **** sake guys, shouldnt you at least start by understanding the basics? Study some very basic statistics and math. It's a start. Then you can understand how eggheaded junk like repeaters is.
On the flipside, can you tell me why you actually think repeaters is better than random bets? Show me something convincing. Dont tell me "ive been winning with it". I won with a losing system for around a year, until I learned my winnings were just luck.
So show me your convincing proof.
Because repeaters mean absolutely nothing as previous spins are completely irrelevant.
All the people saying otherwise are busy playing for pretend money and posting graphs.
Almost every system player can't get their head the fact their system is exactly the same as random betting. It just doesn't register in their head. They think any win is proof of a working system, and any losses are just because their great system needs fine tuning. Its delusion.
Meanwhile, casino owners thrive on the stupidity of players.
Look it is not an easy system to master and the main problem occurs when the distribution of numbers are even at the beginning but you need to find a way to ride the storm and I know when that happens it becomes a much longer session.
But when the distribution is uneven from the start it’s like taking a candy from a baby u r done before 100 spins and can’t believe how much u have won in such a short space of time
This session was a laboured one like the first type I described
But testing is key and finding how to ride that storm with minimum damage or bail out when balance is recovered like in spin 70 in this graph
Because u know sooner or later numbers will have to repeat
I hope this makes sense
To those who have pm’d me I m going to write a longer explanation later sometime
Rulet, can you explain a single principle that improves the accuracy of predictions to be better than random? If you can't, you have nothing.
Show us more than talk. Show us a solid principle to test.
Its fine if you are still learning and not sure. But anyone who claims to have something that works should be forthcoming about their method, so members here can test and determine the facts.
I will soon but I don’t want to mislead anyone unnecessarily
Anyone who’s planning on using turbo’s method
Don’t do it just yet
I have had my fingers burnt when I tried to implement it first time about 1 year ago ditched it for 6 months then went back to it after reading CHT’s last post decided to read all TurboGenius posts again
It is amazing how you miss things clues when you read things only once
I have done a lot more testing this time round and I have tried every possible way to play the numbers
As you test more and more you can just about tell what’s happening and how things are going to pan out
Lastly, I failed the first time not cos turbos method was flawed it was cos I didn’t understand it properly
Anyways here’s the continuation of last game a few more spins later
Mauri 13 Repeats; based around Turbo's riddles.
Do many tests with the system, and many tests with random bets. There will be no significant difference. Just difference from variance. Basically the more you test, the less different the results will be. Why do you think that is?
And if turbo cant beat rs now, the apparent master can't win every session anymore, what hope do you have? Turbo is a cheat and liar, and he has wasted everyone's time. Anyone can save time by understanding what happened in this thread.
Rulet
Like Saint says understand those starting 37 non-hit; those 1/37 spin that he tries to brainwash with, will give repeats of the starting 37.
Now instead of testing on gazillions of spins, that will probably have a minus result. what happens in 40 or 60 spins.
I'd sooner know that.
Well; i can't post data on Random.org the gold standard according to the General as it's to bigger a file.
But you would see on average the repeats average in the blocks of 10 spins to come 1-3-5-7
So if on average the spins 1-20 have 4 repeats, then wait and then attack
Quote from: nottophammer on May 02, 08:13 AM 20191/37 spin that he tries to brainwash wit
Wow ok. How many pockets are on the European wheel then? 42? Did you go to school?
Quote from: nottophammer on May 02, 08:13 AM 2019will give repeats of the starting 37.
1 in 37 for 1 number. There's a 1 in 37 chance next will be a repeat. Then with 2 numbers, a repeat next is 2 in 37, and so on. Again, did you go to school?
Quote from: nottophammer on May 02, 08:13 AM 2019Now instead of testing on gazillions of spins, that will probably have a minus result. what happens in 40 or 60 spins.
40 or 60 spins is a win, right? Now do those 40-60 spins a gazzilion times. You should be clearly profiting. But not according to you. Really notto, your logic just ain't there.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 02, 08:13 AM 2019So if on average the spins 1-20 have 4 repeats, then wait and then attack
Waiting for triggers is as old as you. It doesn't work. The odds don't dramatically change when a random sequence of numbers match your delusion.
Notto, stop it. You're really off the rails. If your delusions weren't delusions, you wouldn't need to constantly abandon losing accounts then brag about the winning accounts.
Rulet
1-3-5-7 over 40 spins is how repeats average to come. Now how do you pick which repeat?
So you like you say you have to study. Will hit once keep coming or will R1's go R2
Now Winkels GUT shows how the 0x's land; it's a good read.
Keep at it Rulet
You'll have the other expert on soon "the General" got too say it tosser
oops back on watched
Can't answer basic questions. Of course. Why would you admit delusion? You hit a wall when it comes to logic. So your response is typical bullshit like saint Steve.
At least smarter members see through you.
Notto, you disagreeing with reality isn't breaking rules. I have no reason to moderate you.
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Mauri 13
1st win on graph +63
How can you or Turbo know which R1's to drop as the riddles say not too bet to many numbers
So if 4 repeats on avg hit by spin 20; why not start with just 4 R1’s, but remember the riddle not too bet too many numbers.
You can see the R1’s are coming fast, you’d have 8 by spin 27 and betting that many with 1-5-25 isn’t going to work, so I used a lower prog.
Look at the graph from R-sim in earlier post.
Spin number 17 with 3 repeaters is most common number for a triple up
And 4 repeaters most commonly occurs spin 20
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Mauri for get bankroll on this tester it's for KTF.
But the R-sim posted grap shows after the re-set at spin 31, now +86 at spin 55
Again too many hit once going R1's, so i took the profit and re-set
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Mauri 1 bet spin 22 the 4 R1's.
I know what to expect to see at spin 20 and no use of covert equipment, just good old fashioned studying.
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Here are all 77 numbers.
Now there’s more than one game.
The imaginary Generals TROT in blue.
All is available in the posted non-hit time tables.
Even the +50 units is made.
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Quote from: Steve on May 02, 03:23 AM 2019On the flipside, can you tell me why you actually think repeaters is better than random bets? Show me something convincing. Dont tell me "ive been winning with it". I won with a losing system for around a year,
A number can be a long term sleeper
Now you’ll say any number has 1/37 chance of showing but I have seen all numbers come out in 75 spins and u know what’s coming after that?
Yes, repeats more like 100 spins but most of the numbers have come out by then only a few remaining
Now, if they didn’t come out that quickly that means repeats must have happened along the way and if I have been tracking the progress of numbers and bet on a few
Of them I m bound hit one or two and add progression into the mix......
You have recovered your bets plus more
If I was more like Notto Take the first profit than I already have the HG but I know the bigger fish is coming soon and I want it
More risky but u know what they say
Risk goes up and so does reward
That’s why most of the profits come in the 3rd or the 4th cycle if not more...
Because numbers start repeating look at turbos charts and mine unless you have been really fortunate, your first considerable profit happens later on...
But if u are an opportunist take the first profit
It is so easy to make £30-£50 within a small number of spins
Here's a quick game
By about 60 spins all but 5 numbers were out very quick (watch the trot :twisted:)
So I knew there were going to be more repeaters, already some repeated
Now the trick is to be patient and not go all in early on and be careful about your transition otherwise you'll have too many numbers on the carpet.
Wait, wait, waiiit, waiiiiiiiiiiiit, NOW, reminds me a scene from a movie.
And the repeaters are in. I m finished by 84 spins 650 and 6 more pounds no need to carry on
Rinse and repeat
Yeah baby
Hi, could you explain a bit how you do it?
Quote from: Rulet on May 02, 12:47 PM 2019And the repeaters are in. I m finished by 84 spins 650 and 6 more pounds no need to carry on
You must understand that repeating is the result of something. When you see a repeated number - you do not know the result of what that is - maybe that is simply randomness...
To know what will be good numbers in front you must have something more than simply see that this number repeated in XX spins...
Simply example say one numbers pocket is simply wider than others, what is more, important to know - that it repeated, or that it is wider?
They aren't thinking about logic, cause and effect.
They're thinking about possibility of unknowns, and guessing. And the ones who test think tests of 40 spins mean something.
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 06:37 AM 2019
They aren't thinking about logic, cause and effect.
They're thinking about possibility of unknowns, and guessing. And the ones who test think tests of 40 spins mean something.
Ye u r the logic master. Cause is i put 1 chip on a number and effect is i got 36. Again i tried to find ur logic and wht i got is
Madi, If you can watch the whole thing, you're a better man than I.
Ps - you've got no idea.
Shit its short term. We cant accept.
These r the results from a broken wheel.😜😜
.. and NO SKIPPING FORWARD.
Rulet and Mauri
We see this fella waits for a repeat; a 1x to go R1, #21. He starts betting and the #4 goes R1, but he does not bet this number. But #20 goes R1 and he bets the 2 R1’s. We see #28 is now R1, but again does not bet it.
Now the #4 goes R2 and he could have won; but we see the #17 goes R1 and bet’s that as well and wins next spin. The #35 is also R1
Can you explain why repeaters happen?
No.
But they happen don't they?
Like I said before if repeaters didn't happen, and you know all numbers are going to come out in 37 spins.
The game would be soooooo predictable, nobody would lose, can you see?
This has been Steve's claim all along, but it doesn't happen does it?
What do you see on average? 22-26 numbers?
Why does this happen? I don't know, I don't need to know.
And I m not going to worry about it happening, cos when it happens I won't even have placed a single bet yet
Needs to happen multiple times.
My strategy isn't short term like 1 cycle....
Anyway, can somebody explain to me why we don,t see 37 numbers in 37 spins a lot more?
Laughs, has anyone seen 1 yet?
Here's a game I played today.
Notto
You are right about being selective with your bets otherwise it doesn’t work.
I talked about transition in one post.
You have to work on your transition otherwise you’ll drown in the sheer scale of numbers.
Quote from: Rulet on May 04, 07:17 AM 2019You have to work on your transition otherwise you’ll drown in the sheer scale of numbers.
Mauri
I said somewhere i'd post a game using the GUT paper tracker.
Can you guess what's going to repeat?
Seeing a chart grow just might help you to bet for repeats, be it 1x's or >1x
Remember the game starts 37; 0x's
So 0x v 1x; 0x+1x v >1x; 1x+>1x v 0x other options?
As I said before sometimes it happens really quickly and you can't believe your luck :thumbsup:
Game over in 40 spins. 975 units up.
I could carry on make another grand but can't be bothered this time round :twisted:
Quote from: celescliff on Aug 03, 02:26 PM 2017
Here are some stats. All these are individual sets of 10 million spins.
In 37 spins to expect a third hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 37 spins: 270270
Cycles with three hits: 265475 / 270270
Percentage: 98%
In 74 spins to expect a fourth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 74 spins: 135135
Cycles with four hits: 135122 / 135135
Percentage: 99%
In 111 spins to expect a fifth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with five hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%
In 111 spins to expect a sixth hit:
In 74 spins to expect a sixth hit:
Number of spins: 9999990
Number of cycles of 111 spins: 90090
Cycles with six hits: 90090 / 90090
Percentage: 100%
Bit late on response few years :xd: but does anyone knows if these stats are RNG? live spins? or what?
Quote from: Rulet on May 04, 06:29 AM 2019Can you explain why repeaters happen?
No.
Why no ? because here are only 37 numbers.
Better you explain how they can help.
Because till now all what you write show and prove direct oposite - that player cant win. And you that turn that it is benefit for player....
I've already explained the math and why repeaters happen. Many times. Its not complicated. If you guys understood it, you'd feel foolish. You're wasting your time but it's yours to waste.
Bebediktus3
Your answer doesn't make sense
You know repeaters are going to happen?
Yes.
Why? I don't know
I am not going to tell you how to do it, you have to figure it out yourself
You tell me why 37 numbers don't show up in 37 spins?
Steve show me the math why repeaters happen? (don't please)
You can't cos nobody knows
Let's call it random and leave at that.
cos noone can explain why only roughly 2/3 of the numbers come out in a 37 cycle.
But it is a fact
Anyway, I wanted to challenge myself tonight to win 10000 units in 1000 spins using repeaters
What do you think?
Did I do it?
Check the graph
Quote from: Rulet on May 04, 06:15 PM 2019You can't cos nobody knows
Let's call it random and leave at that.
cos noone can explain why only roughly 2/3 of the numbers come out in a 37 cycle.
Bullshit. The explanation and math is very simple. Again I've explained it before many times.
I have never seen a graph of a winning session by you.
Or any tips or clues as to how you play the game.
You have no idea, have you?
You are just fishing for information for a winning system.
I have had enough of this.
You are on your own no more tips
Enjoy your little computers, maybe they could tell u how to win.
TurboGenius rules :twisted:
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 06:28 PM 2019
Bullshit. The explanation and math is very simple. Again I've explained it before many times.
Why bullshit? He is giving evidence every moment. And other hand u just giving general statement like when i was born last time i explained everything. Crowd doesnt eat these now a days.
You guys are THICK. Clueless.
I'll leave you to it :thumbsup:
Quote from: Steve on May 04, 07:08 PM 2019
You guys are THICK. Clueless.
I'll leave you to it :thumbsup:
Wht we can do if graphs r going up
Thank you for your support Madi.
Steve I challenge you to show one chart of a winning session by you
Can u do it?
Anyway you like
Show me a winning session with your computers
Don’t tell us a wheel can be beaten one way or another
Show us how u do it
Can u?
Rulet
Is it possible for you to demonstrate ur system in larger number of spin? Like 10k then 20k and up up up?
That would be more meaningful. Its their demand as well. A working ststem should work with any number of spin. What do u think?
Yes so easily it's comical.
Yes, what is the point Turbo did it so many times......
There is no convincing this guy...
Prosabah did it a year ago.....
Madi you know it works, just a matter of getting your transition right if things aren't going your way.
I aint going to simulate a million spins just to convince him.
I have played so many sessions now, testing for the last 6 months....
You have to be on the ball tracking for the hottests numbers, not static, but dynamic, chop and change.
Here's a game I played minutes ago.....
This was a difficult game as the frequency of distribution was quite even for a long time.
But you know as well as I do, frequency of distribution has to deviate from even distribution to uneven for short periods of time.
I don't know whether that makes sense, some numbers have to show more for a limited amount of time.
The phenomena we call repeaters.
And it happens, I don't know why, but it does
I mailed Turbo and asked him why this happens but no reply.
I am drunk, so f it.
I know it works so unless Steve shows me a better way I am going to continue with it :twisted:
Carried on playing few spins more as the distribution has been so even for a long time....
Knew there had to be more repeaters..
A higher new balance..
A few spins more.....
4095 units up....
Can anyone show me a better system?
Steve?
Are you there?
I know it was just luck :twisted:
Anyway, just finished watching the footy
off to bed
where is the yawn icon?
Quote from: Rulet on May 04, 08:34 PM 2019
Can anyone show me a better system?
Steve?
Are you there?
There is only one person who can do better.
Doctor uncle.
Who can vaccinate for infection. Incredibly smart, good looking, handsome, casino killer , a living fear for all pit boss across the world, a salvage wreker and DON of all forums.
Quote from: Madi on May 04, 08:53 PM 2019
There is only one person who can do better.
Doctor uncle.
Who can vaccinate for infection. Incredibly smart, good looking, handsome, casino killer , a living fear for all pit boss across the world, a salvage wreker and DON of all forums.
Psst... I'm right here. 8)
Repeaters ? No thx !
Casinos have many tricks up their sleeve: one of them is providing “scorecards†that let you keep track of what color or number comes up on the roulette wheel while you are at the table. Casinos do this to perpetuate the idea of the gambler’s fallacy -- the idea that since red has come up a bunch of times in a row that black is more likely to come up next.
This is total nonsense. Mathematically each roll of the ball is independent of the next and red could come up 100 times in a row. The chance black would be next is the same regardless.
So give up on repeaters
Yeah you’re right
I had a massive losing session this morning.
It doesn’t work, it must’ve been luck all along afterall
Back to the drawing board
Sorry for misleading people
Take care everyone
I converted to cold numbers today
Its not repeaters defo haha
I bet u if u could bet 0.0000000000001 cents everyone here would marty red or black after 10 misses lol
Quote from: Rulet on May 05, 08:18 AM 2019
Yeah you’re right
I had a massive losing session this morning.
It doesn’t work, it must’ve been luck all along afterall
Back to the drawing board
Sorry for misleading people
Take care everyone
I read Turbo's "Back to the basics" thread and what i could tell he was trying to jump on board the minority of numbers that will float to the top and defy the gravity of the house edge. He suggested that in 1000 random streams, a small percent, like 13%, would be in the green after x spins, regardless the house edge. This is indeed a truism. The quest: how to identify these and jump on board. Well, the logical way is to increase bets on anything that repeats. The very tricky part is for how long to ride, how many to ride, when to cut the laggards, how much to increase.
I had this idea many years ago. Seems like the obvious thing to do. Like betting on a horse after the horse race has already begun. Just bet on the lead horse, or in this case, increase bets on the lead horses as they run down the track. I could not make it work with just one horse, so i was intrigued how turbo might make it work using several horses and some timing tricks. Using one horse, you could switch to the new lead horse as it overtakes the old leader. I found there was a cost to each switch, so it's not as simple as just jumping on the new lead horse.
Anyway, i don't think i exhausted all ideas as i ran out of time for research. So i was open minded, interested to see how turbo may have made this work, sort of averaging all the lead horses.
If you feel it failed, then why don't you share all the details of your adaptation of turbo's basic method, so that the group might help salvage it, if it is salvageable at all.
Quote from: Still on May 05, 01:12 PM 2019Just bet on the lead horse, or in this case, increase bets on the lead horses as they run down the track
The whole theory is wrong.
In terms of roulette, the horse that's winning is reset every time you bet. So it doesn't matter who's "winning" at the time.
A horse could stop running completely. It could keep running, but slow down. You just don't know. Sometimes you'll be right, sometimes wrong. And ultimately there is NO CHANGE IN ACCURACY. YOUR BETS ARE AS ACCURATE AS RANDOM.
It's just another example of holes in turbo's claims.
Quote from: Rulet on May 04, 07:24 PM 2019Steve I challenge you to show one chart of a winning session by you
Can u do it?
I can and have shown a lot more than charts. Includes live public demos, live webcam demos (and showing when and where the ball will fall, before it happens), and even recordings of real players winning in casinos. I can even lend my computers free for testing, give free trials, test on ANY wheel etc. There's more, there's no doubt, but it's not relevant here. Anyone who does proper research would know computers are by far most effective. But sure they're not for everyone. Who cares. They just happen to be my choice because I sit from home and watch my players win with hidden cameras.
Quote from: Rulet on May 05, 08:18 AM 2019Yeah you’re right
I had a massive losing session this morning.
It doesn’t work, it must’ve been luck all along afterall
Back to the drawing board
Sorry for misleading people
Take care everyone
Like many other players, I've been where you are many times before. If you keep going, you'll end up concluding you must change the accuracy of predictions, and properly test to see if you;re doing that. Dont waste your time testing on "play for fun" games. Test statistically significant amount of spins, reputable spins (not RS as you dont know the source), and use automated testing software like RX. Dont waste time with meaningless charts showing short term results.
You dont need to use my preferred methods. Just try something NEW, and dont waste time with methods we already know fail.
Carefully read link:s://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ and save yourself a lot of time.
I'd like to add-beware of "All In" style bets (like what the martingale
does) or anything where you have to put a lot of money on the table.
Money management example:
Sixty units total bankroll-you could do a line bet.
Stop on a win or after six units lost. Either way end session.
Member Quos
Pick a number between 1 up to 730. The number you choose will be a game of 148 numbers from the General's gold standard for testing Random.org
Clock shows 7:04
So will look at games 7 then 4
Game 7 of 730 with all numbers from Random.org
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3 R1’s at 20th spin. Spin 21 you have 4 R1’s. So now you bet the 4 with units of 1, so the bet is 4 units.
2 spins win; so 2 bets of 4 units, 8 in total +28
Do you re-set or carry on?
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Game 4
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4; R1’s by 20th spin and there’s already an R2.
So you start to bet the 4 R1’s with unit of 1. Now depending on how fast the R1’s come will help in your decision of next unit to be used of mentioned progs’: by Turbo 1-5-25 or 1-2-4-8; but you decide.
So at spin 28 you have to increase stakes, so as it’s only 5 R1’s I go up to units of 5, reason at spin 27 you have bet 33 units another bet of 5 units would total 38, so if win you be minus, so you have to raise the unit. Another R1; so it’s 6 R1’s at unit of 5 and win. 88 units bet and return of 180, so +92
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Yeah u r right nowadays I m just using the hot sections of the wheel
It is precognition and vb
Haha.....
Vb on rng.....
You must concentrate %100
Take a deep breath hold it in whilst looking at the wheel if you do it for a long time..
You start hallucinatingnumbers, choose a couple of them those are your winning numbers.
Doesn’t always work but rinse and repeat, the longer u hold on to your breath the better the bet selection.
If u get my drift, don’t hold it to long u might drift for good.
I think what happens is,that lack of oxygen allows u to travel through an undiscovered dimension of roulette , numbers are dispatched by little gremlins and u take a peek before they actually appear on the wheel.
I am still working on it but being a smoker can’t hold my breath for long.
You can’t win them all
Anyway more to come.....
On a more serious note...
The challenge here was to make 10000 units in 1000 spins
Using precognition and hot sectors of the wheel.
And it worked so far......
Best thing I’ve ever done, stop playing repeaters, they don’t work.
Do you ever get a gut feeling that a particular number is going to come out, you know it’s going to come out and it does.
Not always but most of the time.
Hot sectors? Look at the recent sectors the wheel has been throwing, bet that one and the opposite side of the wheel.
It’s amazing, the results I’ve had, mix it with precognition and you’ve got a winning system.
Good luck :wink:
There I’ve done it in 830 spins.
10390 units up, playing hot sectors and precognition.
Why don’t u challenge yourself?
Good luck.
Never play repeaters!
Quote from: Rulet on May 07, 03:28 PM 2019
There I’ve done it in 830 spins.
10390 units up, playing hot sectors and precognition.
Why don’t u challenge yourself?
Good luck.
Never play repeaters!
So you posted a graph. So what? ::) Why should we believe your graph when the proof of concept doesn't exist? ::)
Rulet, I've been doing this a long time. Roughly 20 years, almost every day - not an exaggeration. People pay a fortune for my advice and here you get it free. Take or leave what I say. You are going to test a lot of different systems. They will appear to work, then later you find they fail. Only recently you thought I had the problem when I said repeaters don't work.
Hot numbers doesn't work. And precognition, if it works, realistically requires a lot of work and a mindset that leads you far from roulette and money. Hot sectors would only work if there was a bias. Hot sectors on random number generator is like eating a photo of a burger on tv.
You can say "but look, my charts go UP". That's because either you are using progression, results are short-term variance/luck, or the spins you're testing on aren't realistic.
Have a careful read of link:://:.roulettephysics.com/roulette-strategy/ if you want to save time. Up to you.
800 or 1000 spins is nothing. You stand a fair chance of a profit with most systems. By fair I'd say 10 to 30% . In that kind of region. It's easy to think you have something, given a following wind.
Crank it up to 20,000 or 50,000 spins, you stand little chance of profit. Just simulate your system and keep running 50k spins. You'll soon see the truth.
Notto, thanks for the two games!!
Other two numbers between 1 and 730 (less games 4 & 7):
183 and 430.
Thanks again!!
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5 R1’s at spin 20; also one has gone R2. But we don’t worry.
So you see 3 bets at 5 unit and win #9, goes R2.
Now is it worth going on? At 5 R1’s yes but watch the speed that R1’s come.
2nd bet is in cream.
You can see bets of 5, then R1’s start to hit. You can see the last bet of using unit of 1, is betting 7 R1’s, if bet again at 7 we’ll be minus on a win, so you have to go up and we’ll go to the unit of 5.
At spin 32 we’ve used 144 units. We can’t bet with unit of 5 again, so it’s decision time. With 9 R1’s better to use a lower value not the 25 of the 1-5-25; so I use 10 and it came in.
The cream bet has used 234 with return of 360.
So; I would re-set
Got to go too the hospital
You can see the numbers for game 430
I'll go over when get back
Notto, in game 183, Why is it worth continuing with a second bet?. You already have 2 R2's, is not that much risk?
In a cycle of 37 spins there are 2-3 R2 as average, right?
Thanks!!
General
I laid the concept out there it is up to you to test it, if you want to..
Steve
I didn’t say hot numbers, I said hot sectors and precognition.
And to people who say test it 20000-50000 spins it is not a mechanical system so many variables and gut feelings go into it.
If you are searching for a mechanical system where you don’t have to analyse spins and change your bet accordingly.
I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it doesn’t exist
Stop searching for it, start analysing what’s happening short term and long term and mix the two together.
Now that’s another good clue :wink:
Quote from: probasah on Aug 05, 01:44 PM 2017
Hi ozone,
Tested for 40 sessions x 25,000 spins for a total of 1 million random.org samples ( 10 days x 100k to collect them ) :)
Flat betting. i did not see the point in going above that but i do not mind testing it for any number of spins any time.
Do not ask if the bet selection is good or not. Test your bet flat betting and you will get the answer for your self. If it does not win flat bet, it doesn`t win at all and all you have is just wishful thinking.
Do not lose hope.
Alex
Probasah tested 1 million spins and said it’s a winning system repeaters but you don’t believe him.
I can test a million spins you won’t believe my system either this is what you naysayers do all the time
Quote from: Rulet on May 08, 10:11 AM 2019
Probasah tested 1 million spins and said it’s a winning system repeaters but you don’t believe him.
I can test a million spins you won’t believe my system either this is what you naysayers do all the time
Rulet,
Using my superior precog skills, I looked into the future and saw that your system failed miserably.
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You haven’t held your breath long enough to see the gremlins.
You are not doing it right.
Try a million spins you’ll find it working
It’s not worth it to post on forums
Find a method that works for you. Play it smart.
No need to post graphs or methods anymore. It’s counter productive dealing with people like general
Hopefully his narcissism has been fed after all these years
Don’t need to justify winnings to anyone
I have been playing successfully for months with a very primitive system with wins outweighing the losses. No need to post it and deal with bullshit that the forums have become
I play for not against. Hope that answers your question.
What is the point of this forum if members aren’t going to share their systems.
Try and publish your little system here and you’ll get the same opposition from the naysayers.
I’ll do their work for them,
This little system of yours how many spins have u tested?
Test a million spins and you’ll see it fails.
See this is what they do all the time
Rulet, you don't get "opposition" exactly.
You get people with experience that tell you things that may be the truth, but aren't fun to hear.
Quote from: Rulet on May 08, 10:47 AM 2019
I play for not against. Hope that answers your question.
What is the point of this forum if members aren’t going to share their systems.
Try and publish your little system here and you’ll get the same opposition from the naysayers.
I’ll do their work for them,
This little system of yours how many spins have u tested?
Test a million spins and you’ll see it fails.
See this is what they do all the time
You could post your system in the system players forum. There will be no naysaying, and you can feel all warm and fuzzy about it in the company of like minded individuals. What is there not to like about that?
I keep posting in this thread for a reason.
I m not going to say anymore than that.
I am off this forum for a while
Take care and keep winning
Couldn’t resist to post one last chart,
This one’s for you General.
Enjoy.
Anyone who can play and win continuesly for 220 spins.......
Think about bet selection, must be right eh?
Herr General, enjoy
Quick game on RX..
Same thing happens here too, I win.
Whatever the platform, I know I will win, cos the system is designed on facts of the game, facts I know will happen throughout the course of a session.
Should've waited another spin
Enjoy sarge Bilko
Rulet, a few days ago you were adamant repeaters was the secret, and everyone who said otherwise was just stupid. You had a few charts showing you won .. play money.
Then you lost and learned better. Or so we thought. Now you flipped and have a new holy grail secret. A few days later. You've really got a lot to learn. You prefer the hard way but thats ok, I did that too once.
No the world is not out to get you. We are not naysayers. We just live in the real world.
All these graphs of 200 spins are meaningless.
See attached. Graph of 1000 spins flat betting.... wins. The holy grail!
Crank it up to 5000 spins. Loses. The law of large numbers.
Over just 200 spins anything can happen!
I am playing games with you matey
Could be repeaters, precognition or hot sectors....
You will never know
Here I played flat bet, since you were complaining about progression..
5 pounds flat bet....
See it works flatbet too, but it's up to you
Progression gets you there quicker.
Stop when you are up then.
No ones telling you to play 5000 spins...
Rinse and repeat...
I told you there are no mechanical systems that win all the time.
Bet adjustment is needed to continue winning over 5000 spins..
You can't have static bet selection and expect to win all the time...
That doesn't exist
Stop searching for that, you are wasting your time.....
Dynamic has to be
Hot sectors for example, changes all the time...
It is your time I guess, yours to waste
Again only 150 spins :wink: :lol:
Playing one session of 5000 is the same as playing 100 of 50.
No good stopping when you are up, as sometimes you will never be up. You will lose from the start.
The only point of posting 5000 is to show in the long term, over 100 sessions of 50, you will lose.
It's simply cutting to the chase and saving time.
My 10000 units in 1000 spins challange.....
I have had to change bet selection several times to keep winning
If I had stayed with the same numbers, I would have lost 10000 units
Take my word for it, static doesn't work
But noones testing properly
All you do is, select bets, run 5000 spins, lose, then say this system doesn't work
You hope and pray, you get lucky and win something..
Instead, you could monitor what's happening and interfere and change your bets..
Hey look, this is why people are losing, static bets, not enough tracking, the wheel has moved on from their original bets. Maybe it takes 1000 spins but then next 1000 spins are losing.
Why didn't you do something about it?
Because you are trying to automate it, doesn't work.
Quote from: Rulet on May 08, 07:30 PM 2019I am playing games with you matey
Could be repeaters, precognition or hot sectors....
You will never know
I addressed all those options. You already said what you were playing anyway. But thats not the only point. Your short-term charts, especially with fun money, are meaningless.
Quote from: Rulet on May 08, 07:37 PM 2019Stop when you are up then.
No ones telling you to play 5000 spins...
You still dont understand. Imagine 500 players all playing just 10 spins. Short term is better, right? So everyone should win. Again go back to the page I suggested you read. If you dont understand it, you'll keep chasing your tail.
Quote from: Rulet on May 08, 07:42 PM 2019But noones testing properly
All you do is, select bets, run 5000 spins, lose, then say this system doesn't work
How's that better than testing 5,000 spins then saying the system works?
Good luck Rulet. You dont appear to be listening or willing to learn.
I guess I could do a 50000 units in 5000 spins.
Something for the future.
But how many hours do I have to play, 5000 spins?
I might do it, but not soon...
You would then say only 5000 spins, I bet it loses if you play 10000 :twisted:
But nothing changes, the system is still the same, can you identify the hot sectors?
If you can do it 1000 spins, you can do it 5000 spins.
Who in the right mind plays the same numbers or bet selection for 5000 spins?
Gamblers, I guess, that's what u are
You've got no idea. Good luck.
If you have an advantage in bet selection you will win long term. Hot sectors can translate to a dealer based method which can gain an advantage under some conditions. Yes the sectors do change dynamically, but there are many other factors to consider such as rotor speed, fall off and scatter. You can't just blindly bet sectors. So you may have an advantage. Who knows, you haven't really described anything which would give confirmation one way or the other.
And I won't in the future either, rotor speed, dealer signature?
Joking aren't you? Comical, all fallacies
No wonder you are still searching for a winning system.....
People even struggle with computers to do all that and you can do by just observing?
Good luck to you......
One rule, play continuosly, dynamic bets.....
Stop when you are ahead.....
Rinse and repeat
Rulet, you've gone from really ignorant, to downright stupid. And even worse, you have just hurt every AP and computer player's feelings.
You just stick with your hot sectors with RNG, and we'll stick with our own fallacies about physics, reality, and the only methods that concern casinos.
You've really lost it now. You're on a completely different level of knowledge.
He's not hurt my feelings. I'm not searching for a winning system.
And I don't always stop when I'm ahead. I continue if conditions are good. I'm more likely to stop when losing or if conditions are bad.
So, I'm playing a different game for which he doesn't have a handle on the parameters.
Quote from: Rulet on May 08, 07:59 PM 2019I guess I could do a 50000 units in 5000 spins.
Something for the future.
You play with RX do charts posts them here how all is good, why then you not go to the casino and not become millionaire?
Patience my lad....
There’s time and place for everything.
I told you before, I played this system at the casino before but I am perfecting it.
From now on I m only gonna let my charts do the talking.
Quote from: Steve on May 08, 08:38 PM 2019
Rulet, you've gone from really ignorant, to downright stupid. And even worse, you have just hurt every AP and computer player's feelings.
You just stick with your hot sectors with RNG, and we'll stick with our own fallacies about physics, reality, and the only methods that concern casinos.
You've really lost it now. You're on a completely different level of knowledge.
Yes I too agree .Best ever AP player I saw is poker face...
link:s://:.youtube.com/channel/UCCVAX62lgnzgBf2j6Wl1onQ
Quos
Not to good after yesterday so been down.
But here is that other game.
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Look, if AP works for you fine, go make your millions...
Here I played flat bet, slightly different approach same concept.
APs winning millions is not uncommon. A few cases make the news. You don't hear about 99%.
When is the last time you heard of someone winning millions with repeaters or hot numbers? Only with play money.
Quote from: Steve on May 09, 06:42 PM 2019
APs winning millions is not uncommon. A few cases make the news. You don't hear about 99%.
When is the last time you heard of someone winning millions with repeaters or hot numbers? Only with play money.
U need to go to casino to see how system player wins and the amount as well. Dont get too much inspired by 60s. Those days r gone. Camera, skype , phn compi leave these for some minutes.
I've seen countless system players, losing. Never seen or known a consistent winner. I've known more system players than you have, who eventually woke up. Nor have I ever seen valid proof nonsense like repeaters works. I've seen endless proof of the opposite.
And what makes you think I need computers to beat a wheel and ball?
I keep posting winning charts constantly, you don’t want to see them
That’s your problem, you made yourself believe system players can’t win constantly, but I m showing you with my charts I m winning all the time.
What do u say to that?
Many other forum members did previously, but u chose to deny them their wins.
To say the only way to win in rulet is by using AP is so shortsighted.
Quote from: Rulet on May 10, 07:28 AM 2019
I keep posting winning charts constantly, you don’t want to see them
That’s your problem, you made yourself believe system players can’t win constantly, but I m showing you with my charts I m winning all the time.
What do u say to that?
Simple. You only post the charts that win.
All the losing ones get discarded.
Rulet, show me where I said AP is the only way to win. What I've said is you must increase accuracy of predictions, to overcome unfair payouts.
All your charts show is short term results anyone will get with random predictions and progression betting. And its play money on a site, with ads, designed to keep you coming back. If you've got the hg, why are you wasting time winning play money?
I'd like to see how you went on mpr with reputable spins. Just dont be like notto. One account please. Show your real results.
Its like a week since you proclaimed repeaters was the hg. Then you changed your mind.
You're obviously new to roulette, and have a lot to learn. You're impulsive and c***y, but with terrible knowledge. It wouldn't surprise me if you were still a teenager. Do what you do. Think what you think. You'll learn eventually.
Quos
This is the next game 431.
Like I said I keep watch on how the non-hit are, coming.
Now to me and only me there is an average for the non-hit; as the experts say there’s no value in knowing the non-hit averages.
But in spins 11-40; 30 spins, the average for non-hit in these 30 spins; is 15 more of the remaining 37 on average will hit and 15 repeats will happen.
So just look at the checkpoint box. Bit of what’s common. Spins 1-10 got the norm! Spins 11-20; got the normal average of 7, +2.
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Now after 20 spins; if there are 4, R1’s I would start to bet, using unit of 1. Spin 22 you have 4, R1’s.
So look at the checkpoint box! If 15 non-hit, hit in spins 11-40, you can see by spin 30, 14 of the expected 15 have hit, so this is fast for non-hit, making too many hit once (1x).
The unit of 1 was exhausted at spin 29; with so many 1x better to use a lower prog: so units of 2 will be used. At spin 32 the unit of 2 is exhausted too. With 71 units bet and another R1 to bet; 8 R1’s is just too many. So take the loss of 71 units, and collect another 20 spins.
You can see when the next R2 hit; so the 1x are going R1’s, to many.
Okay; we’ve collected another 20 spins and have only 3 R1’s.
Now some might be thinking why wait bet the 1x’s, again to many to bet!
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So at spin 24 there’s the 4th R1. Again use unit of 1. Remember the checkpoints? Well looks much the same as the spins we left. Remember 15 non-hits for spins 11-40; look at 30th spin 12 of the expected have hit.
Well the unit of 1 is exhausted at spin 29; betting 8 R1’s. Again too many R1’s but try with unit of 2. Win. So spend 46 units return 72. +26; so still -45! Again with 8 R1’s bet to re-set only -45 units.
So another 20 spins and have the 4 R1’s and one gone R2.
Again look at the checkpoint box 2 repeats in spins 1-10 plus the norm for spins 11-20; 7, +2. Remember 15 non-hits to come spins 11-40 and again its fast, 12 have hit by spin 30.
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So use unit of 1 again; 3 spins later win R2. Now that’s a profit of 24, so the tally is -21.
Now knowing the non-hits have come fast it’s better to re-set, collect another 20 spins.
So the 20 spins; 3 R1’s and one has gone R2 no problem.
Sick of saying too look at the checkpoint box. The norm for spins 1-10 and the norm for 11-20; 7, +2
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Spin 21 there’s your 4th R1. Again use the unit of 1. 3 spins win, with the #19 that we are betting for being an original R1. Spend 13 return 36; +23 less the -21, so +2.
Do you carry on; that’s a decision you will have to make.
Watch the checkpoints and try not to bet more than 8 R1’s
Now if you re-set; on the left if you bet R1’s from the go; in pale orange; in blue on right if wait till 20 spins.
Run out as the re-set is using the original starting 148 numbers from Random.org
If you was to just carry on just more R1’s, why? TAKE A LOOK AT THE CHECKPOINTS. Spin 30 the expected 15 non-hit have all come by spin 30, so fast for non-hit
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Yeah years of experience
Thought I knew all about it
Until I read turbos posts.
Firefox
I m not the first one to do it or to claim it works
You have to take my word for it don’t you.
Why don’t you test it yourself, just because you can’t figure out how to do it.......
There , one more
How many do you want?
Let’s see one from you
Quote from: Rulet on May 10, 11:32 AM 2019
There , one more
How many do you want?
Let’s see one from you
Another graph. Wow, 90 spins too! There's no reason to provide proof of concept, logic, or common sense because a made up graph is proof enough! Am I right? :xd:
Here's my graph. As you can see my system is much better!
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By the way, my system is free.
Rulet
More than one way to play repeats; ignore the General he can't win dirt
Look only 46 spins
Quote from: Rulet on May 10, 11:06 AM 2019
Firefox
I m not the first one to do it or to claim it works
You asked me a question: What do you say to that?
I already gave you the answer.
You only post the graphs that win.
Anyone can post only winning graphs in a forum.
There's only two reasons to do so. Either to have a bit of fun, or to build up to a scam. Either way, your not doing yourself any favours.
General i'll leave the KFC bones for you >:D
Quos
30 spins so a slow prog is deffo
Quos
As I’ve said you have to keep eye on the non-hit’s; not the 1/37!
Now not had 60 spins; but all over the forum topics you can see Priyanka’s tester and see how many non-hit have usually gone? I’ll let you know; over those 60 spins on average 29/30 of the starting 37 have hit by spin 60.
Said needs a slow prog: but a 74 unit profit.
So what do I/you do? Re-set or brave out the slow prog. At 5 & 3 unit on the Hottest as Denzie calls them; so it’s been 1-2-3-5
See the Generals fu cked off :lol:
quos
see re-set; the hottest have not hit in 7 laid spins.
General The old re-set and the lower prog as those KTF non-hit are fast. :lol:
Low prog: 1-2-3-5-10-15
re-set
General Notto be eating KFC; how's the dirt?
Many ways to win, agree you can play, non shows, 1 repeats, 2 repeats.......
I have noticed something really interesting when I was playing a session, so looking at Vaddis again cos he was talking about it in his HG.
Very interesting like clockwork....
I have just played a session..
I figured out what Vaddis doing, clever.
Why it happens, I don't know, random I guess?
Turbo was talking about these, random creating patterns.
Flat bet 5 pounds.
Lucky, I guess
Quote from: Rulet on May 11, 10:54 AM 2019
I figured out what Vaddis doing, clever.
Mmmh…
Will you be amongst the many who claimed to have deciphered Vaddi without clearly explaining what it is, or will you be the First, the One, the Honest to go on and openly describe?
Look, another sesh.
Amazing...
You have to select your numbers well...
Otherwise you will drown in the sheer size of numbers....
Particularly, if you are trying to catch non-shows as well as repeats...
Does that say something to you?
He is right, he said if you are playing it with 10 units within 10 minutes you have made 300.
Now, it is better than that, he's been conservative, I am only playing with 5 units
Now, do you stop and take the 365 units or continue as I haven't exhausted the maximum number of numbers I can use?
It is not 8 by the way, 8 is relevant to a certain degree but could be less or more. :thumbsup:
He has explained it, but you need a suspicious mind to detect the one clue he gave and never talked about it again.
I guess, he wanted people to try and find it themselves, but the hint is there, now it makes sense to me.
I agree with his comments about it being child's play.
The beauty of it is, it is a lot quicker than Turbos system and drawdowns are much more manageable.
And he is right about the higher profits in the first cycle or to, u made a lot within a cycle higher balance is reached.
rinse and repeat.......
Irish
If you play it the way u suggested,
You would be losing a lot.
I did that 2 years ago when I first studied Vaddis. That doesn’t work or it works when it works but by virtue of luck.
Now, how can I give u a clue without giving it away?
Which numbers is Vaddi trying to catch in his system?
Think about it?
where's Vaddi 5 PNG?
Saved it wrong location
Could,nt find it saved it again from RS
same as vaddis5
According to Vaddi take the first profit right?
Here 170 units up stop?
Carried on playing a few spins more, same game....
I am not sure made some more but....
Maybe take the first profit?
Vaddi! Is the magic number 10? So 1st 4; spins 1-2-3-4; If you bet spins 1 to 4 you’re -10. Now you have 5 #’s, do you drop #10 and bet the 4#’s; -14; again take last 4#’s and win.
If bet up to 8#’s; win with #21 with total bet of 21 units. So reset.
Win with #27. You could do that with Turbo.
Turbo says bet straight away numbers met expectation; Wins with the same #’s as Vaddi.
Now you know 15 hit once (1x) can happen; even 19; 1x’s. So how you get round that?
Repeats ?
Did someone say take 1st profit.
Now don't get excited; it's not always like this.
15 spins, finally a repeat. So how Vaddi get round that?
Not bad for all those 1x's
Not bad for repeats. Saint got your prayer mat out :lol:
Notto
I am sure you'll find a way around it.
This session was a little difficult but sooner or later those repeats come round :thumbsup:
If you really understand Vaddi, you know it is not just about repeats :question:
Quote from: Rulet on May 11, 06:03 PM 2019If you really understand Vaddi, you know it is not just about repeats
Have you worked out Vaddi? or Turbo way?
All i know in 1st 10 spins there's usually 1 repeat. But i've seen 5 repeats in spin 1-10; but that's just like the General posting something decent; Rare!
So to0 more riddles; pairing. If let's say #8 is out, why should #9 appear? Why not pair it with #23 on wheel.
Remember Saint says it's just 1/37
okay trying Vaddi
Notto, it IS just 1 in 37. I already explained why repeaters happen. Its actually not funny that you still dont understand.
Vaddis system is not just about repeaters, is it Steve?
I am not talking about Turbos system, this different :twisted:
Tis Vaddis, get it ?
Anyway, 1/37 chance, like a broken record, have you got some better to say?
Played Vaddis 3 cycles, unlike his advice, it is completely against Turbos system.
How? Turbo would never play numbers that have not appeared, see?
Vaddi is more about patterns forming, there are commonalities. Repeaters
Carried on another cycle, same sesssion....
More money....
That system is equally bullshit. Sure i could explain it, but you wouldn't understand it.
for sure everyone knows what you have explained so far...
"Every number has 1/37 chance of appearing"
Anything else? Very much doubt it.
Broken record, broken record, broken record..............................
By the way, no one disagrees
How do I win? Detailed explaination, with charts, please
If you call yourself, EXPERT
Another session.....
Vaddis
Finished the cycle..
Read what ive written many times before. Im not repeating evrything for every newbie.
Quote from: Rulet on May 11, 07:47 PM 2019
How do I win? Detailed explaination, with charts, please
You win by only posting winning sessions on very small samples.
Any losing sessions, you don't post.
I'm not sure why you bother. Anyone can see through what you are doing.
Well he sure wouldnt play on mpr with the same account, for everyone to see. But he's intent on posting charts, of small wins, trying impress.
Yep, strange how all these "winners" never want to demonstrate their prowess on MPR, but prefer to post selected graphs instead.
Must be a reason for that!
Not to mention the very valid observation that none of these ̶i̶d̶i̶o̶t̶s̶ ̶ expert roulette players are posting any photos of the bundles of cash they are winning.
Hello All! This is my first post. I am a roulette player with 5 year experience. I am from Russia.
Have been reading this forum for the past 2-3 years, and finally decided to join :)
RULET - really???!!! all people that seem to figure out what Vaddis figured out (not sure if there is something to figure out) start talking in riddles. Like wtf, can't you just say what you have figured out to see if it worth something, if not, then just move on.
May be I am wrong, but forums are for players all over the world exchange their experiences in loosing/winning in roulette, but that is just me...
Please do not take any offense, but this is very irrogant of you to say something but to not spill everything out.
In Russia there is a saying - if you said A and B, you have to tell what it C.
If you are not willing to say C then why start saying A and B, do you know what I mean?
You are just wasting every1s time...
Rulet, clearly you're not new to roulette forums, considerimg your references to situations and people from many years ago.
So what was your username before? Let me guess.. long time reader, first time poster?
Long time lurker......
Recent member....
People are sceptical, I understand.
I m not here to convince anyone, if u don’t like what i m posting, you don’t have to read my posts. It’s not for u. Move on.......
There’s no need to be rude just because you can’t achieve similar results with these systems.
In my humble opinion the reason people can’t see the obvious is because they aren’t testing manually.
Bulk testing doesn’t work, on the other hand when testing manually u see every number drop in real time and have chance to ponder and look at carpet.
That’s when you get those light bulb moments.
Take it, or leave it.
Big tests bad.
Little tests good.
Real money bad.
Play money good.
Basic math bad.
Faries good.
About a week ago, you were dead set convinced repeaters were the hg. You changed your mind and say they fail, but have the new hg.
Are you a teenager? I dont think anyone takes you seriously. Stop wasting bandwidth.
:thumbsup:
I do not want to be a hater.
Rulet.
But if you play RS and short sessions, count up spins.
Unfortunately, from my observations it turns out that it works a bit on the basis of casinos play money, it's really easy to play there.
I noticed that playing numbers and streets is real only after 3k spins with bets.
I used to throw systems and they always earned, even quite good, but after 3k spins, everything returned to normal and the results returned to zero or no longer earned.
The same strategies usually on RX rng at once behaved normally and did not earn.
And if you believe that the RS results are repeated against the online RNG casinos, then you may be surprised.
And unfortunately we can play all day, but in reality only money is counted.
If there is no real earning potential, then it's going to be just fun and losing time.
Rulet
Let the Saint carry on preaching; he’s even got another disciple, Foxy’.
It does not matter where you play. Even on MPR; that supposedly uses random.org numbers.
Now the greatest expert on the forum; the General posted 10’330 live spins. Guess what there in the non-hit time tables in the real roulette spins section.
All the time tables show in spins 11-40; on average 15 of the remaining 37 appear and at 60 spins 29/30 of the starting 37 have hit.
Now take the Generals numbers; as live spins it just gives on average those 15 non-hits, so you have 15 repeats.
General even reckons; he and his cronies invented the law of the third and funny all these formats; live wheels, RNG and air ball all show those averages and 24 in 37 spins.
Now as Saint can’t win dirt only win with is phone; he’s got to undermine you with the old math quotes.
Just let him carries on trying to save the newbies; who by the way are on his forum trying to find the HG, his HG is a phone that no casino would let you have near the wheel.
Rulet 73 spins from the mighty MPR or Random.org; look at # 30
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So! Saint, Averages?
Spins 11-40; average shows 15 non-hits can appear over these 30 spins. So if we said an even distribution should be 5 non-hit every 10 spins, we can see spins 11-20 reads 7, +2.
7, +2 is normal for these 10 spins; so +2 on the even 5.
Spins 21-30; reads 11, +1 so plus 1 more for non-hits on the distribution of 5+5=10. In these 30 spins 21 of the starting 37 have hit.
With only 16 of the starting 37 non-hits left; even if we have to use this mentality of 1/37, the non-hits have to slow. Your all 37 numbers will show has fell by the wayside, like the rest of your verbal diarrhoea.
Spins 31-40 we can see with Priyanka’s checkpoint box that the non-hits did slow down. You can see 14, -1.
Then the 60th spin average is 29.5; but we see 28.
Now yes 1/37 spins produced this chart, and your 1/37 will keep producing charts like this.
Now if the newbies that you’re trying to save, was to have a look at the posted non-hit tables and then record 60 spins over and over again. They might just learn something.
And it won’t be your 100 reds in a row or all starting 37 numbers will never hit in gazillions of spins.
108040 numbers from random.org has never shown 37/37
Now you’ll give the usual not enough numbers, we don’t need it Saint Steve
Blah blah blah notto. You cant beat mpr. Thats why you dump losing accounts and show only wins.
Saint these games playing repeats.
Shall we see how the 1st 60 spins of each game goes.
How close will the average of 15 non-hits in spins 11-40 be? or 29/30 non-hits at spin 60.
Yer just full of shite; like sidekick General another right wanker
More blah blah. Show only wins, hide losses, dump losing accounts.
It's like talking to a Mormon missionarie.
Before all your talks what wins what not is very good, when all that is prooved and tested in real casinos. Here I see peoples who test on RX or on some simulators only...
Real play in real casinos is not known for them... and real wins ... here is why are such problems and not understandings...
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on May 12, 04:38 PM 2019
Before all your talks what wins what not is very good, when all that is prooved and tested in real casinos. Here I see peoples who test on RX or on some simulators only...
Real play in real casinos is not known for them... and real wins ... here is why are such problems and not understandings...
online live roulette is no different than a real casino. In a real casino you just play less, and sistems are not tested long term.
If you mean rng vs real wheels, they're very different.
The difference is rng can manipulate its outcome depending on players bet just to show that shit its random , u cant predict while the real wheel dont do that. Lets play cat nd mouse. U bet number 15 , i pull out 19. Hehe
Is it the reason u r so confident in MPR
Quote from: Madi on May 12, 08:27 PM 2019
The difference is rng can manipulate its outcome depending on players bet just to show that shit its random , u cant predict while the real wheel dont do that. Lets play cat nd mouse. U bet number 15 , i pull out 19. Hehe
Is it the reason u r so confident in MPR
That is fake/false/cheating RNG not true RNG.
Fake RNG is not RNG, it is the equivalent of a juice joint on a real wheel; we are not considering that kind of stuff.
There is a big difference between playing a (fair) live wheel and playing a true/good RNG algorithm.
Madi, when people questioned the integrity of the RNG, I published the database of spins in an encrypted file that anyone can download. Then when the spins were complete, I released the password for anyone to check. I can do that anytime. But nobody has recently questioned the spins. Instead, the people with big mouths but bad systems run away.
So don't give me that crap that I am maybe somehow forcing players to lose. That's the kind of thing a losing player with a bad system says to a casino.
Players lose at MPR because the spins have integrity, and the payouts are the same as real-casino roulette.
Quote from: Firefox on May 12, 08:41 PM 2019
That is fake/false/cheating RNG not true RNG.
There is a big difference between playing a (fair) live wheel and playing a true/good RNG algorithm.
Who r the people use fake rng? And whats that for?
A fair rng in a casino. Its for the dreamer.
Regulated casinos have their RNG properly developed, tested and certified. And even the payouts are usually audited. Fair means it does not appear to have flaws that make it predictable. That includes testing for repeaters, hot numbers etc. Those are standard tests.
Quote from: Steve on May 12, 09:35 PM 2019
Regulated casinos have their RNG properly developed, tested and certified. And even the payouts are usually audited. Fair means it does not appear to have flaws that make it predictable. That includes testing for repeaters, hot numbers etc. Those are standard tests.
They can still cheat to individual keep these test intact.
Example in a short term play of 200 spin if i play exactly against u to make lose and bring back the statistics normal after u leave, there is no testing can justify this.
What you said is unclear.
Think that i m a rng. I can play against your bet say 200 spin in the name of random.How do prove that by the testing you mentioned
It is theoretically possible for casinos to cheat that way, but they are audited.
Why would a casino risk losing a potentially billion dollar license, when they already have the house edge?
Quote from: Steve on May 13, 12:50 AM 2019
It is theoretically possible for casinos to cheat that way, but they are audited.
Why would a casino risk losing a potentially billion dollar license, when they already have the house edge?
This is not 1/37 and there r numerous vedio nd evidence that show casino cheating. I havent heard any of them got cancelled their licence.
The idea is the more and faster u can pick up money the faster the house edge profit
Exactly what videos and evidence? Post here.
can anyone explain why this thread is still alive after 269 pages?
this is a contraproductive sign!
the method "tUrbo" has been proved hundred of times as a loser method, despite that many still feeding this thread with lots of rubbish!
Its because some people are really dumb.
Thats the truth.
Quote from: Steve on May 12, 09:35 PM 2019
Regulated casinos have their RNG properly developed, tested and certified. And even the payouts are usually audited. Fair means it does not appear to have flaws that make it predictable. That includes testing for repeaters, hot numbers etc. Those are standard tests.
I wonder why all ( ok almost all ) online casinos are based on malta, guersney, gibraltar ,etc,.....( favorable tax regime for sure isnt not only thing )......
Yes they have looser laws. And of course the governments get side benefits. Gambling licenses are like alcohol and tobacco licenses: the lawful right to screw people.
Serious players rarely bother with online casinos. Theres many reasons.
But a typical properly licensed casino is better regulated. It doesnt mean they arent sometimes corrupt. Corruption follows big money. I know of many cases of corruption. I reported some but the police didnt give a shit, or matters were beyond them. How the world really works is not quite what you may think
What is the difference between MPR and RX or RS?
Now, I never played on MPR ....
But Turbo raised serious issues about it, stringing results from different tables (20 reds in a row + another 20 reds)
40 reds in a row? Do you use an algorithm to dispatch numbers randomly from a pool?
Anyway who wants to play on rng?
Why don't use get numbers from random.org to use in RX?
That's what I do, but I like the graphics on RS more slick....
I am working on Vaddis method at the moment..
I know it is only 336 spins....
His system is hit and run when you increase your balance..
Come back 10 spins later start again, little and often
You might see some flats in the chart, as he puts it "Take a break for a few spins, then come back"
Flat bet, so money rises gradually
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 06:38 AM 2019
What is the difference between MPR and RX or RS?
Now, I never played on MPR ....
But Turbo raised serious issues about it, stringing results from different tables (20 reds in a row + another 20 reds)
40 reds in a row? Do you use an algorithm to dispatch numbers randomly from a pool?
Anyway who wants to play on rng?
Why don't use get numbers from random.org to use in RX?
That's what I do, but I like the graphics on RS more slick....
I am working on Vaddis method at the moment..
I know it is only 336 spins....
if turbo is real, he wouldn''t have left the forum!
you are apparently still dreaming... Turbo's method is one of the many weird Illusions that will Challenge Your Brain!
He realised he was wasting his time with people like you.
That's why he left
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 06:38 AM 2019But Turbo raised serious issues about it, stringing results from different tables (20 reds in a row + another 20 reds)
Turbo made constant excuses to avoid tests on a realistic simulator.
Two problems with the excuse you highlighted:
1. He constantly claimed the more random the better. Stringing results from multiple wheels makes it even more random.
2. Even when we changed to pure RNG from random.org, he made other equally poor excuses.
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 06:38 AM 2019Do you use an algorithm to dispatch numbers randomly from a pool?
As per the forum vote, we now use 100% numbers from random.org.
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 06:38 AM 2019Anyway who wants to play on rng?
Your hero, Turbo. According to him, spins are predictable thanks to random. And the more random, the better.
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 06:38 AM 2019That's what I do, but I like the graphics on RS more slick....
RS is primarily entertainment to sell advertising, with an unknown source of spins. MPR is entertainment too, but I don't run ads there, and it a verifiably fair place to test and compare system results. And that's why the people with big mouths and bad systems avoid it. Or they dump the losing accounts and show only winning accounts.
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 07:17 AM 2019He realised he was wasting his time with people like you.
That's why he left
Actually too many people saw through him. That's why he left both here and GF.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, Turbo was and is a liar, just out for attention. It's all in this thread. He wasn't the first and wont be the last person who's full of shit. You need only basic understanding to see it. He lured only the uneducated and inexperienced with garbled nonsense, play money winnings with cheating and clearly rigged games, and black and white "duck and cover" videos.
I rememeber the complaints, cheats on MPR.....
That's why he didn't want to play there?
The problems with the software, glitches, phew.. I dodged a bullet there, would've given up on rulette if I played on it.
Turbo rules, but the problem with his system is the large drawdowns, need big bankroll to withstand...
Now with Vaddi on the other hand drawdowns are more manageble....
Manual testing is required to figure out his system
Carried on....
Vaddi rules too.........
Vaddi mad scientist?
Predicting what numbers are going to hit.
I don't mean repeats, non hit numbers :twisted:
He's mad.
Rulet, days ago you claimed repeaters dont work. Turbo might disagree.
Every software has bugs initially. More recently, a massive problem was found with RS enabling anyone to never lose. And when it was fixed, Turbo vanished.
One of Turbo's complaints about MPR was I maintain logs to fix bugs and catch cheats. Every online casino has such debugging logs. It would be very difficult to reverse engineer a system with the logs. Turbo never had a problem with MPR.... until he started losing, and made lots of excuses. Then he ran to RS, where all sessions can be replayed by the admin like a video. A little bit backwards, perhaps?
It has all been said before. You either havent read this thread, choose to ignore it all, or arent too bright.
I'm wasting my time with you. I dont think you're playing with a full deck.
@rulet.
if you are so proud of turbo's method, why dont you go right now and make money with it?
i guess the answer is clear..
wake up!
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 07:44 AM 2019Quote (selected)
Vaddi mad scientist?
Predicting what numbers are going to hit.
I don't mean repeats, non hit numbers
He's mad.
Ok then can you just spill it out???????? This is just a waste of time - you say it works, others do not agree.
Spill it out, all can test and make a conclusion... why waste time on this and "vibrate air"
Snafu
Obviously you haven't looked at the charts.
I started doing longer sessions cos people moaned about short sessions.
What did Vaddi say you make first profit around spin 21?
If balance higher, stop, restart after a few spins.
Why should I play on MPR when I can download numbers from random.org and play it on RX?
If MPR uses random.org numbers.... reinventing the wheel.
Oh alright, I can assure you I have a full deck, too full for my own liking, like mad scientist.....
Look spin 12...
170 units up 5 units flat bet
only 12 spins, what do you mean?
ok, last one was 485 spins....
spin 64...
365 units....
spin 99....
balance 535 units.
Rulet, stop with the bullshit charts. A balance of 535? Why so low if you keep winning?
Quote from: Steve on May 13, 08:41 AM 2019
Rulet, stop with the bullshit charts. A balance of 535? Why so low if you keep winning?
He just wins with demo money !
:xd:
Rulet = rule & let
Those charts are the same session contiuned using Vaddi system, duh
Showing how he does it?
Read my other post, I explained what he does, win little and often.
Here I am using a variation of Vaddi, many ways to play it.
If you can't control variance....
You have to learn to flow with it..
There is a big clue here.....
8, 12, 24 , 36 all important numbers
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 09:11 AM 2019If you can't control variance....
You have to learn to flow with it..
It's becoming clearer now.
You're just a troll, and you're full of shit.
Yeah really, is that how you are planning to get rid off me?
Declare me a troll, sad.
Serious system here.
Variance kills almost all systems, how do you flow with it , and catch those temporary imbalances the wheel throws at you.
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 09:32 AM 2019
Yeah really, is that how you are planning to get rid off me?
Declare me a troll, sad.
Serious system here.
Variance kills almost all systems, how do you flow with it , and catch those temporary imbalances the wheel throws at you.
get out my head!
you need to be resent back to school, there you can attend elementary math
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 08:35 AM 2019spin 99....
balance 535 units.
Tragical behaviour...he not understand that for nobody is interesting his balance on RX simulator...
I think he does understand. He knows his approach loses. So he tries to convince people he's not full of shit, by posting a few small charts with a bankroll always about the same. He doesnt have anything else. I'm sure his RS profile would show shit and more shit.
Why read my posts?
Go start your own whatever system u have.
Yet, you are still interested, funny, you secretly like it, wish you could produce similar results.
Haha, in your dreams
You are on my forum polluting it is why. Why don't you go win real money instead of posting play money charts?
I think forum members are intelligent enough to make up their own minds.
Maybe one day I m going to explain it for everyone
What you're doing now is called "baiting". As per the rules:
Quote9. No "baiting", which is where you brag about how great your system is, but you don't share anything except perhaps obscure details that lead people along. The forum is a place for open sharing. If you "bait" people, expect to be banned.
Yes, forum members are intelligent enough to understand you're full of shit. Do you see messages of support, or something else?
Anyway you are just baiting and trolling. Maybe one day you'll share your HG with us mere mortals? You have nothing.
But I'll give you the chance to provide more substantial proof of your claims.
Show us something more than play money charts, or
Share your system, or
Give more details than vague clues, or
Pack your bags.
Understand I know you have nothing. But I'm doing the correct thing by giving you a chance.
Don't expect anyone to tolerate your bullshit "Im the best. I can win small amounts of play money, but I'm not telling you how" dance.
It has been tolerated enough.
Aren’t you baiting everyone with your computers
Nope, they're available for anyone to see.
I'll ask you one last time. Avoid it in your next post, you can piss off.
Show us something more than play money charts, or
Share your system, or
Give more details than vague clues, or
Pack your bags.
Ok, I m going to be more specific but it’s all about how to beat or flow with variance.
I think that might help a lot
I get the feeling you don’t like me.
Well, I tried. :(
I am not selling anything, what gave you the idea of baiting?
Ok, if you’re interested in what I m going to say, you have to watch this video first, it will reduce the learning curve on variance.
link:s://youtu.be/CY-2NjrRUY8
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 10:55 AM 2019I get the feeling you don’t like me.
Correct, I think you're a dickhead. But don't let that stop you. You're free to think whatever of me too.
You don't need to be selling to bait. Most people bait for ego. Anyway let's not waste the forum's time anymore. If you have something to share, share it. But no more useless play money charts with all around the same balance. Anyone can do that. Give us something of substance, like a principle people can test. But crap like "go with the flow" is just shit. It's not a principle. It's vague nonsense.
Are you serious? The turbo "duck and cover" video?
All that video shows is basic probability, with guys making it sound mysterious. For example... "Red and black is random. Nobody can predict it. But it is strangely predictable that over a large amount of spins, there will be about half red and black."
The variations are going to be smaller as the sample gets larger. Big whoop. It's basic probability. You're still not improving the accuracy of predictions.
Anyone with basic knowledge of statistics would see that video as something for primary school kids.
The fundamental problem is still the payouts are below the odds.
Ok so next lesson. Teach us.
You are the real dickhead.
I never lowered my tone but you take it to far.
So what Turborules shared it before me
I m sharing it too
Rulet, I ran out of patience with you, so I stopped being polite. You're wasting everyone's time.
So let's move on. Teach us.
Rule and let : you are trolling us..
If you don’t calm down, you might get banned or put on watch list !
Be careful
I want to ask a question...
I have seen that several people have said find something to win and put graphics where they see that they win, because there are people in the forum who say that this is not true and they go on to explain it?
So if they do not want to explain it, they will be expelled? why?
I do not understand that behavior, it seems as if there is a group of people who are the ones who know the most, because they are always judging others, my next question is:
because if they know so much they do not explain why it does not work and explain what they know if it works?
is that I am seeing that people who know how to win or so they say, end up being expelled or leave the forum, then how are we going to let them explain us if we only judge them?
Quote from: Atelur noisap on May 13, 12:16 PM 2019
I want to ask a question...
I have seen that several people have said find something to win and put graphics where they see that they win, because there are people in the forum who say that this is not true and they go on to explain it?
So if they do not want to explain it, they will be expelled? why?
I do not understand that behavior, it seems as if there is a group of people who are the ones who know the most, because they are always judging others, my next question is:
because if they know so much they do not explain why it does not work and explain what they know if it works?
is that I am seeing that people who know how to win or so they say, end up being expelled or leave the forum, then how are we going to let them explain us if we only judge them?
Your above statement is theoretically correct but can’t be applied to any discussion in this forum.
The reason is quite simple, if someone tells you, the earth is flat, will you discuss his theory with him ?
I guess no, so in fact we shouldn’t give platform and attention to flatearthers who trying to troll by giving false information and hope to the people in need ...
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Oh, RATION PULETTA if reading backwards.
Ha! funny guy, I'm sure it's a joke and it's a good one!
The real Pasion never gave such clear clues....
And female on your profile,
mmmhhh… are you a Russian spy?
Quote from: Bigbroben on May 13, 12:49 PM 2019
And female on your profile,
mmmhhh… are you a SPANISH spy?
:xd:
I'm a girl, my name is Astrid.
I like this world of roulette because my father was a great fan of the game and a very good player, he got a very easy way to win, which is what I play with and the truth that he always wins, but he won little a little.
Is there a problem because it's a girl?
Quote from: Bigbroben on May 13, 12:49 PM 2019
And female on your profile,
mmmhhh… are you a Russian spy?
Roben
You are a bad boy, you must apologize.
It seems you are watching too much fantasies films
Lettebea,
I was honest: this is a good joke and I like it. From what I can remember, Ration Pouletta never gave such clear clues about his playing! I enjoyed the subtility of Mrs. Astrid. Guess I'll give her first like.
High five Astrid!
Ok, here’s another chart but it’s related to variance and how you can flow with it.
You might have seen others quote this from Einstein,
“Einsteins definition of insanity must be remembered and revered at all times ("Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
This is the point I want to talk about in relation to variance.
This doesn’t so much apply to EC bets or dozens but more like streets and inside bets where there are a lot of options.
What people do most of time:
Choose a set of bets and stick to them far too long, persisting on the same bets, until it is too late to do anything.
Variance kills your bankroll.
It is almost impossible to control or predict variance.
So what can you do?
Just flow with it, if your chosen bet isn’t paying off, change your bets and flow in the direction of the wheel.
It is that simple.
What is Einstein saying up there, listen to him and remain sane.
Manual testing and stepped bets are also necessary.
I have given you many clues, here.
If it’s not for you, move on, it works for me.
I am not going to post anymore charts, I think I have posted enough.
This chart was produced using Vaddis system or a variation of it, you can play it many different ways.
That’s it, you’re not getting anymore out of me.
Firstly, yes ATELUR NOISAP is PassionRuleta. The IPs are in the same country and city.
Quote from: Atelur noisap on May 13, 12:16 PM 2019I have seen that several people have said find something to win and put graphics where they see that they win, because there are people in the forum who say that this is not true and they go on to explain it?
Yes and we do explain it. But some people still dont get it.
Quote from: Atelur noisap on May 13, 12:16 PM 2019So if they do not want to explain it, they will be expelled? why?
This comment references people who dont want to share systems. We have a "no baiting" rule because trolls tend to make claims they have the HG, and string people along for ego. Their clues are vague, contradictory and have people running in circles. There is of course some degree of hinting allowed, because people dont have to share anything. But if they are here on a forum, they should be here to share - not make people run in circles with what appear to be clues that lead nowhere. Over the years, we'd had many such trolls. Some do it for ego, and some do it to have other people do testing of ideas for them.
If you dont want to share, or dont want to give principles and hints people can act on and test, then this isnt the place for you. Go and make money in real casinos instead.
Quote from: Atelur noisap on May 13, 12:16 PM 2019because if they know so much they do not explain why it does not work and explain what they know if it works?
Again it is explained. You just dont get it. And it;s even worse when you try and sell something you know doesn't work, while claiming you're not selling anything. Worse again when you try and do it behind everyone's back with PMs.
Quote from: Atelur noisap on May 13, 12:16 PM 2019is that I am seeing that people who know how to win or so they say, end up being expelled or leave the forum, then how are we going to let them explain us if we only judge them?
Passion, you baited people, you had no idea what you were talking about, misled people, and tried to sell garbage via spamming people with PMs. You even got caught publishing obviously deceptive winning receipts. You were clearly running a scam, and the vast majority of members had the same view. You should have been banned much earlier.
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 04:59 PM 2019“Einsteins definition of insanity must be remembered and revered at all times ("Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
Why dont you apply this quote to your own theories? Your theories are incorrect, and tested to exhaustion by countless people - especially people who are experts in the field.
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 04:59 PM 2019This is the point I want to talk about in relation to variance.
You cannot control variance. You can look at long term results and averages, but it gives you no change in odds. You are still stuck with payouts below the odds.
Also again your chart is meaningless. Where's the bankroll increase from other winning sessions? You're constantly resetting your bankroll. You should know you cant do that when betting real money. You know the casino doesn't give you back losses. Or is this not being explained to you?
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 04:59 PM 2019Just flow with it, if your chosen bet isn’t paying off, change your bets and flow in the direction of the wheel.
Flow in the direction of the wheel? Sounds like dribble to me.
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 04:59 PM 2019That’s it, you’re not getting anymore out of me.
"Flow in the direction of the wheel" and "don't repeat the same thing" is not anything. But I guess you'll leave it at that, right? I'm sure by now you've won a fortune. Real money I mean, of course.
Quote from: Steve on May 13, 07:17 PM 2019
Firstly, yes ATELUR NOISAP is PassionRuleta. The IPs are in the same country and city.
Ha! I knew you'd check this point! Also, phrasings were alike those of Ration Pouletta.
Guess you can see under everyone's skirt from down under, Steve, right?
And a high five for you too.
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I'm not Pasion Roulette, I'm Astrid, I live in a town near Barcelona, that's why it may be the coincidence, I do not know about roulette passion, although now that you say it, I'm going to try to meet him in person, because that guy also seems to know how win. I will look for it on the internet and I will try to get in touch with him.
Does anyone know your mail?
Quote from: Atelur noisap on May 13, 03:35 PM 2019
I'm a girl, my name is Astrid.
I like this world of roulette because my father was a great fan of the game and a very good player, he got a very easy way to win, which is what I play with and the truth that he always wins, but he won little a little.
Is there a problem because it's a girl?
U have taken the scamming art to a new level. How can someone got this much patient to run this almost a year round.
A question to the world? Is passion a boy or girl
Quote from: Atelur noisap on May 13, 08:18 PM 2019I'm not Pasion Roulette, I'm Astrid, I live in a town near Barcelona, that's why it may be the coincidence, I do not know about roulette passion, although now that you say it, I'm going to try to meet him in person, because that guy also seems to know how win. I will look for it on the internet and I will try to get in touch with him.
Does anyone know your mail?
Classic scam. Now that everyone sees your bullshit, you encourage others to look up PassionRuleta (yourself), so you can scam them privately.
Quote from: Madi on May 13, 09:30 PM 2019A question to the world? Is passion a boy or girl
I checked. A boy, wearing a skirt.
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Are people in the Barcelona region in financial distress or something? You're the second piece of crap I've encountered there. The first was the GF admin. Maybe you're the same guy. Well he did declare bankruptcy.
Why would you write pasion Ruleta backwards if you dont know the guy?
This was so easy to outwit I can't believe it's true. How pathetic.
Good show though.
I too reversed my nickname but no one noticed.
You do know what your name sounds like,.. right?
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I thought I'd already seen you, you're photogenic !
Option 1: Yeah, well your avatar looks like rectangular co*k and balls.
Option 2: I know. I'm the sh*t.
Couldn't decide
Stupid word censoring..
So passionruletta is hiding behind a new profile, this time as a girl called Astrid !
He forgot that Astrid isn’t a Spanish name!
What a dumb !
Steve
Can you tell me how I am able to achieve these charts if it is not a winning system?
This system is not just about repeaters, so what is your gripe?
Can you play a session on RS and post a chart for me to look at?
Seriously, flat bet 5 pounds, play say 150 spins..
What do you say, should be easy for you?
Quote from: Rulet on May 14, 04:54 AM 2019Can you tell me how I am able to achieve these charts if it is not a winning system?
Where are your winnings from previous sessions?
Why do you keep starting from $0?
Ive shown far better charts than that, with proven losing systems to illustrate this very point. Even random bets win sometimes.
In your case, your charts are either plain variance, or you're just showing the winning charts. That explains why your bankroll constantly resets.
They are all different games.
But you are ignoring the ones with 400-500 spins.
It doesn’t matter which point I enter the game, I still win
With Vaddi it is not just repeaters.
I know you have mental block for repeaters, with Vaddi you don’t track repeats at all, they just happen.
See the beauty of it?
With your experience you should see the value in this system in packaged form?
What do you say?
This system is so simple to play.
Remember Vaddi said even a 10 year old can play it?
Child’s play, that’s why he was so reluctant to give anymore than he did.
The only problem I see is, the casinos would try and do something about it.
They would just ban that way of playing. This system cannot be sold to the masses.
Only to a select few, at a high price.
So simple....
Quote from: Rulet on May 14, 06:00 AM 2019
This system is so simple to play.
Remember Vaddi said even a 10 year old can play it?
Child’s play, that’s why he was so reluctant to give anymore than he did.
The only problem I see is, the casinos would try and do something about it.
They would just ban that way of playing. This system cannot be sold to the masses.
Only to a select few, at a high price.
So simple....
and here we go .......
You can’t afford it Basti :twisted:
Work harder to figure it out.
I have given enough clues.
I don’t know why people are moaning?
I never criticised any member of this forum for not giving more information.
I read the posts from turbo and Vaddi and tested a lot, and I figured out a way to win, constantly.
So you are going to accuse me of selling systems, get me banned and then what?
I leave with my system and you go back to the drawing board and start scratching your head.
It doesn’t make sense.
Or is it that, you can’t bear seeing someone winning out of sheer jealousy.
Wouldn’t it be better to keep me here in the hope that I reveal something more?
Or maybe you don’t have the capacity to think that strategicly.
Quote from: Rulet on May 13, 10:55 AM 2019
I get the feeling you don’t like me.
Well, I tried. :(
I am not selling anything, what gave you the idea of baiting?
Quote from: Rulet on May 14, 06:00 AM 2019
This system is so simple to play.
Remember Vaddi said even a 10 year old can play it?
Child’s play, that’s why he was so reluctant to give anymore than he did.
The only problem I see is, the casinos would try and do something about it.
They would just ban that way of playing. This system cannot be sold to the masses.
Only to a select few, at a high price.
So simple....
Apparently, you are selling pardon baiting......
And to be honest:
what
NEW vaddi clues did you give, that havent already been posted in vaddi topic and /or its related topics on this forum ?
I figured it out from Vaddis clues.
You should be able to too
What I said about variance is soooo important, but you can’t work it out.
That’s your problem
It is variance that kills u yet u ignore it.
Quote from: Rulet on May 14, 06:35 AM 2019I read the posts from turbo and Vaddi and tested a lot, and I figured out a way to win, constantly.
See the words; read,tested and figured a way to win.
This is what you have to do! Don't drop a method too quickly, re-try and find the way.
Anyone looking at my charts thinking he’s playing repeaters, wrong
Repeater only systems win big when repeats happens quickly, when it doesn’t however get sweating and big drawdowns. Still recovers but not good for your heart.
This however Vaddi is no sweat system doesn’t rely on repeats but catches them along the way, if u know what I mean :twisted:
Quote from: Rulet on May 14, 05:50 AM 2019They are all different games.
Pathetic reasoning.
If you were either testing or trying to prove a systems effectiveness, you'd track running bankroll. And what better way to do that than just not reset your bankroll?
You are showing just winning games.
Quote from: Rulet on May 14, 05:50 AM 2019With Vaddi it is not just repeaters.
Vaddi is equally useless.
Quote from: Rulet on May 14, 06:00 AM 2019This system cannot be sold to the masses.
Only to a select few, at a high price.
Around a week ago you claimed to have the hg with repeaters. And days ago you said repeaters fail, and found the real hg.
I'm not going to repeat the holes in your story.
Now you show clear intent to sell your hg. This is as clear as scams get.
Quote from: Rulet on May 14, 06:35 AM 2019I don’t know why people are moaning?
Because you're clearly full of shit.
Quote from: Rulet on May 14, 06:35 AM 2019So you are going to accuse me of selling systems, get me banned and then what?
I leave with my system and you go back to the drawing board and start scratching your head.
It doesn’t make sense.
How tragic it would be for us mere mortals to not be one of the select few who aren't allowed to purchase your hg.
Quote from: Rulet on May 14, 06:39 AM 2019Wouldn’t it be better to keep me here in the hope that I reveal something more?
Sure If you were legit. But every single point indicates you're setting up to scam people. There's not a single piece of credible information to support you. Not one. Your only "proof" is short term play money winnings with bankroll resets. I mean really??
As already highlighted, you offered nothing new to the vaddi theories, which are nonsense anyway.
Again all indicators point to you being full If shit, and setting up a scam. You've now been banned from PMs to protect members. We already saw how passionruleta acted all innocent and denied trying to sell, then secretly tried to sell via PM. We have seen this all before many times. I personally have less tolerance for it each time.
Your posts are also moderated. You can post, but the only posts I'll approve are ones that:
- Are unrelated to selling, or
- Aren't baiting and bragging about how great your secret system is, or
- Contain proof of claims that are more substantial than short term wins with play money with constant bankroll resets, or
- Viable and actional information such as clear principles people can test.
I will allow you sell in the sales section, only if you post more reasonable and verifiable proof of your claims.
So you're not completely cut off assuming you're honest. You have options. But If you aren't honest, your scam is over.
If you return under a different name, as many scammers do, you'll probably have some people following you for a while... passionruleta's scam wasn't allowed to get anywhere here. Neither will yours.
Again, you still have options If you're honest. If you're the typical scammer you appear to be, you're wasting your time here. I expect the result is eventually something like you saying i ruined everyone's shot at getting your hg, then you leave. Which would mean you have nothing.
As admin i try to find the balance between free speech, and not letting the forum be degraded by scammers. I was sure early on you were setting up a scam. But you were allowed a more than reasonable chance to show otherwise. You didn't.
Couldn’t care less :wink:
I take my system with me.
See ya
That's exactly what i said you'd do if you were dishonest. I dont think anyone will miss a scam.
Quote from: Roulettebeater on May 14, 04:04 AM 2019
So passionruletta is hiding behind a new profile, this time as a girl called Astrid !
He forgot that Astrid isn’t a Spanish name!
What a dumb !
Should have been Asturia
M13 & Dtown
1st repeat; -9
Wait 20 spins; bet all R1’s +27
The rest I’ll e-mail don’t want Saint’s old blah, blah, blah.
M13 & Dtown
This sheet i use in the B+M as computer won’t be allowed.
So you can see countback 5-10-15 that’s the usual average for these 30 spins. I’ve told in the e-mail how the checkpoint box shows the average 15 non-hits for spins 11-40.
Now Turbo’s fu-ck-ing clever as knows what to drop. If any know the average at spin 13 GUT, you’d know 2 repeats is what Winkel shows could/should have happened. Countback shows; these 1/37 spins are Fast, 12 non-hit by spin 13, but the even 5 non-hits expected are showing the 12th is early, what is the average to hit? 2 spin for non-hits up to the 19th non-hit. Oh look 13th has hit. 14th missed its average of 2 spins oops it’s in.
There’s more but why waste time
Quote from: nottophammer on May 16, 11:22 AM 2019
M13 & Dtown
This sheet i use in the B+M as computer won’t be allowed.
So you can see countback 5-10-15 that’s the usual average for these 30 spins. I’ve told in the e-mail how the checkpoint box shows the average 15 non-hits for spins 11-40.
Now Turbo’s fu-ck-ing clever as knows what to drop. If any know the average at spin 13 GUT, you’d know 2 repeats is what Winkel shows could/should have happened. Countback shows; these 1/37 spins are Fast, 12 non-hit by spin 13, but the even 5 non-hits expected are showing the 12th is early, what is the average to hit? 2 spin for non-hits up to the 19th non-hit. Oh look 13th has hit. 14th missed its average of 2 spins oops it’s in.
There’s more but why waste time
So? In 38 spins we know that on average about 18 spins will be red, 18 spins will be black, and the zeros will hit about twice. But that knowledge isn't going to help you win either. ::)
Quote from: nottophammer on May 16, 11:22 AM 2019
M13 & Dtown
This sheet i use in the B+M as computer won’t be allowed.
So you can see countback 5-10-15 that’s the usual average for these 30 spins. I’ve told in the e-mail how the checkpoint box shows the average 15 non-hits for spins 11-40.
Now Turbo’s fu-ck-ing clever as knows what to drop. If any know the average at spin 13 GUT, you’d know 2 repeats is what Winkel shows could/should have happened. Countback shows; these 1/37 spins are Fast, 12 non-hit by spin 13, but the even 5 non-hits expected are showing the 12th is early, what is the average to hit? 2 spin for non-hits up to the 19th non-hit. Oh look 13th has hit. 14th missed its average of 2 spins oops it’s in.
There’s more but why waste time
I know you think that's deep stuff. But it's not.
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Knowing how often numbers should hit doesn't enable you to predict which numbers are likely to hit over the next series of spins.
Quote from: The General on May 16, 11:59 AM 2019I know you think that's deep stuff.
You mean Duff like you; DUH
GENERAL DICKHEAD
They repeat; when, i don't know, but they are
Some of you guys like notto etc talk and talk, but can't win.
Just like turbo can't win after the rs cheating loophole was fixed. And none of you win on mpr either. You dump losing accounts and show only winning accounts, but have overall loss. Just like you show only the winning charts. Where are all your combined accounts on leaderboards?
Why? Shouldn't your talk reflect your results?
Its called delusion. Problem gamblers are usually in denial about how much they've lost. They focus only on what they've won.
I think some of you really need to quit roulette. Especially if your real money results are like your play money results.
Don't get mad at me for this. Your results are what they are. Just pointing out the obvious.
I agree with steve
Problem gamblers must abandon roulette.
This game is crazy, it can even destroy souls !
Guys, listen to uncle Steve, he has plenty of experience
This should be in topic, is it possible to win on just 1 number?
I had to scroll thru: 67 pages to find member JEKHB76.
I’m wondering if he is bird catcher on R-sim as the picture is same
He said he gave up on repeaters, having losses.
Now these 69 spins by Birdcatcher show that betting 1 number is a possibility.
There’s 8 matches for the top 4 that finish the laps from 9.
Turner gives a post bottom of page 14. In brackets is part of the post.
(Somehow, you have to make the numbers that are hitting pay for the ones that arnt
That cant be done just by a mild progression and removal of non hitting numbers after a cycle.)
Then there’s Bayes page 31; 2nd reply down, his reply to Denzie. Brilliant.
Scrolling thru to P.67 to find JEK; there were some good members who obviously can’t work it.
CHT; Denzie, Azim, Falkor, R-ghost, Turner, Bayes, Wiggy, But at GF he does say he’s going to play repeaters, we’ll see. Drazen, Fossil, Tinsoldiers,
There’s loads even STEVE.
Quote from: Steve on May 14, 08:54 AM 2019
Pathetic reasoning.
If you were either testing or trying to prove a systems effectiveness, you'd track running bankroll. And what better way to do that than just not reset your bankroll?
You are showing just winning games.
Vaddi is equally useless.
Around a week ago you claimed to have the hg with repeaters. And days ago you said repeaters fail, and found the real hg.
I'm not going to repeat the holes in your story.
Now you show clear intent to sell your hg. This is as clear as scams get.
Because you're clearly full of shit.
How tragic it would be for us mere mortals to not be one of the select few who aren't allowed to purchase your hg.
Sure If you were legit. But every single point indicates you're setting up to scam people. There's not a single piece of credible information to support you. Not one. Your only "proof" is short term play money winnings with bankroll resets. I mean really??
As already highlighted, you offered nothing new to the vaddi theories, which are nonsense anyway.
Again all indicators point to you being full If shit, and setting up a scam. You've now been banned from PMs to protect members. We already saw how passionruleta acted all innocent and denied trying to sell, then secretly tried to sell via PM. We have seen this all before many times. I personally have less tolerance for it each time.
Your posts are also moderated. You can post, but the only posts I'll approve are ones that:
- Are unrelated to selling, or
- Aren't baiting and bragging about how great your secret system is, or
- Contain proof of claims that are more substantial than short term wins with play money with constant bankroll resets, or
- Viable and actional information such as clear principles people can test.
I will allow you sell in the sales section, only if you post more reasonable and verifiable proof of your claims.
So you're not completely cut off assuming you're honest. You have options. But If you aren't honest, your scam is over.
If you return under a different name, as many scammers do, you'll probably have some people following you for a while... passionruleta's scam wasn't allowed to get anywhere here. Neither will yours.
Again, you still have options If you're honest. If you're the typical scammer you appear to be, you're wasting your time here. I expect the result is eventually something like you saying i ruined everyone's shot at getting your hg, then you leave. Which would mean you have nothing.
As admin i try to find the balance between free speech, and not letting the forum be degraded by scammers. I was sure early on you were setting up a scam. But you were allowed a more than reasonable chance to show otherwise. You didn't.
Hello Steve,
someone knows the system s"The Holy Grail by Turbo"
Believe it is like Vaddi's system.
Can i post this here?
Found it by when searching on Google.
Perhaps our roulette specialists can say a little more about this system.
Thanks
-Moreno
Quote from: nottophammer on May 23, 01:28 PM 2021Tinsoldiers,
Ok nottophammer. Let us make it work. I will publish a journal of the play starting today and anyone is free to watch what I have played.
Tin's
Be better to do it over at gambling forum, in Turbo's own section.
What am doing is mine and not turbos system. He never revealed how he played fully.
vaddis system is a fluid game.....no matter how you try turbos method..as in basically with brunt force with progressions it doesn,t work quite like that.....tinsoldiers will have a different take on it..should be interesting...also take into account redhots revelation of the stats of ds repeat of rrbb thread...though that is just stats ..but theres more to it than just that
why don,t you try to combine everything and encompass all...many ways to skin a cat..you cannot just rely on repeats ...
you also can,t can,t rely on unhits...you can,t rely just on uniques...
and steve you contradict yourself with your software...inputting so many spins...as you say past spins in your mind has no bearing...the only thing that has bearing is what must happen in a cycle will happen...fluidly
Quote from: 6th-sense on May 29, 02:39 PM 2021.many ways to skin a cat..you cannot just rely on repeats ...
you also can,t can,t rely on unhits...you can,t rely just on uniques...
Yes 6th; that's why there is a topic called ROTT. It don't just bet non-hits like KTF.
But you need to know the non-hits average that will show repeats average.
It's not complicated. But like the Chief of the GLOAT's you have to understand the TROT.
Now all the GLOAT's can go Fcuk off
Now is Ross just signed in ?
As he's in KTF now. Why? he says its no good.
So, why the fcuk is he in there
6th
had to work hard for that profit.
Does anyone have excel for REPEATERS SYSTEM (MARIGNY DE GRILLEAU)? It is posted in a web site but no excel there (search with Block letters, you will find it).
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on May 29, 12:26 PM 2021
Let us make it work. I will publish a journal of the play starting today and anyone is free to watch what I have played.
Day 1 Total games played : 7
Total bankrolls lost : 1
Total bankrolls won : 3
Net today : 2
Starting balance : 0
Net bankroll : 2 (6000$)
Day 2
Games played today : 10
Bankrolls lost today : 3
Bankrolls won today : 5
Net today : 2
Starting balance : 2
Net bankroll : 4 (12000$)
History
[reveal]
Day 1
Total games played : 7
Total bankrolls lost : 1
Total bankrolls won : 3
Net today : 2
Starting balance : 0
Net bankroll : 2 (6000$)
[/reveal]
You do realise there is a lot cheaper way to catch a repeat?
Still I like your graphs keep it up buddy
Quote from: 6th-sense on May 30, 02:23 PM 2021
You do realise there is a lot cheaper way to catch a repeat?
Still I like your graphs keep it up buddy
I am not trying to catch a repeat here. But I would like to listen what is the easier way to catch a repeat Mr common sense. :love:
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on May 30, 04:52 PM 2021
I am not trying to catch a repeat here. But I would like to listen what is the cheaper way to catch a repeat common sense. :love:
Following.. for common sense.
If you were an apprentice when younger, do you remember being asked to go to the stores; I was told of the glass hammer, the left-handed screw driver, etc.
So, I enjoyed being asked to go for a long wait.
So, 6th sense will be a long wait. Enjoy.
Day 3
Games played today : 26
Net bankrolls profit today : 2x
Starting bankrolls balance : 4x
Net bankroll : 6x (18000$)
History
[reveal]
Day 1
Total games played : 7
Total bankrolls lost : 1
Total bankrolls won : 3
Net today : 2
Starting balance : 0
Net bankroll : 2 (6000$)
Day 2
Games played today : 10
Bankrolls lost today : 3
Bankrolls won today : 5
Net today : 2
Starting balance : 2
Net bankroll : 4 (12000$)
[/reveal]
Note : 3000$ is the bankroll per session
Tins
looking good.
How's today going
Today was not good nottophammer
Day 4
Games played today : 11
Net bankrolls lost today : 10x
Starting bankrolls balance : 6x
Net bankroll : -4x(-11000$)
History
[reveal]
Day 1
Total games played : 7
Total bankrolls lost : 1
Total bankrolls won : 3
Net today : 2
Starting balance : 0
Net bankroll : 2 (6000$)
Day 2
Games played today : 10
Bankrolls lost today : 3
Bankrolls won today : 5
Net today : 2
Starting balance : 2
Net bankroll : 4 (12000$)
Day 3
Games played today : 26
Net bankrolls profit today : 2x
Starting bankrolls balance : 4x
Net bankroll : 6x (18000$)
[/reveal]
Note : 3000$ is the bankroll per session
Hi Tins
These are your spins. Where you are in the plus.
Chief Riddler might only give snippets, but find Eugene.
#19 :thumbsup:
No time machine Chief of the GLOAT's. Just you shaking your head in amazement.
Thank god notto's notta precog player or we'd all be f*cked. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Taotie on Jun 03, 01:22 AM 2021
Thank god notto's notta precog player or we'd all be f*cked. :thumbsup:
:xd:
Nimo
This image is good example of 4th-5th-6th.
Old Blueprint
dont get top3, let alone 4th-5th-6th and that ain't 6th sense :xd:
Pre-cog, time machine or just random.
You only need to read post 1 and 9 over at GF, in advantage of repeaters.
Post 9, 3rd reply to Bago.
If you can't grasp it from them 2 posts, perhaps you'll need to keep reading.
What is your username on RSim?
Alexlaf
All about left to right
Who needs a mobile phone
Did the cycle for R4 start?
Vaddi would be a profit, so, could start again. But Turbo says they become predictable, so it’s carry on.
7
16
20
22
2
28
22
1
21
17 <<<<1st
Everyone would win as Vaddi bet won. Now the question is do you carry on for a 3 figure win? 000
Now if you used the 1st 3 numbers, Riddler says that would be wrong or just the 1st number, you lose. But if you use top 4 like I have done you’d win
2
30
30
3
1
30
2
23
22
22<<<<1st
The #22 not Turbo top 3; only 1 match there; #1.
You’ve had 8 repeats in 20 spins. Repeats are fast.
If repeat average is 1-3=4 in 20 spins you’ve doubled the average. Non-hits need to show.
Another way to see the stream of 1/37 spins.
If 15 repeats are average over spins 11-40; 30 spins. That average is 1-3-5-7=16, so, an even distribution would be 5-5-5=15
You see the 1st 10 spins had the repeat. The placement of the expected 15 non-hits, placed in 5’s.
Shows the non-hit are -2. The 12th non-hit highlighted brown.
The next 10 spins countback has 19 of the starting 37. It will need 7 of the 10 spins to be one of the remaining 25 non-hits.
The average to hit for non-hit is 2 spins; the 13th non-hit is late already, already gone 3 spins.
13
27
30
24
4
10
16
28
10
17*
Repeats still happening.
5 non-hit
We've had 1-7-5 its usually 1-3-5-7 will the non-hit catch up?
Jono
The Turbo method you are using now.
How did it take 303 spins?
Quote from: nottophammer on Nov 07, 04:31 PM 2021
Jono
The Turbo method you are using now.
How did it take 303 spins?
Hi Notto - I took a break from what I was testing and tried the ‘GizmoDemo’ example. Three games were easy, but one game blew right out. That’s good. I’ll avoid this now!
Armitageshanks
From an e-mail way back.
A Turbo riddle?
shank
forgot just +1
Shank just +1
Don't tell Ross :lol:
General
At GF you're Dr Sir. You won't get anything from the previous post, no numbers.
It's to0 good; Turbo knows it is.
You can't help some. They believe all Turbo riddles.
He says you'll work it out. :yawn: From a shit load.jpg
Take the binomial-distribution
the first 2-Repeat should show, when its distribution is > 0,5 latest when its > 1,5
this means between Spin 7 and 13
this also applies to all other Repeats
3 20 and 31
4 37 and 52
5 56 and 77
If you got one or more 3-repeats start betting them at spin 20 even if they are quite early
Quote from: winkel on Sep 07, 08:45 AM 2022Take the binomial-distribution
the first 2-Repeat should show, when its distribution is > 0,5 latest when its > 1,5
The calculated values of the binomial-distribution are probabilities,
maximum is 1.
It can't be >1.
Quote from: Herbyx on Sep 07, 01:59 PM 2022The calculated values of the binomial-distribution are probabilities, maximum is 1.
It can't be >1.
Let´s do the next step: What is an accumulated possibility?
Sorry: "probability"
Quote from: winkel on Sep 07, 02:30 PM 2022Let´s do the next step: What is an accumulated possibility?
The hole you dig for yourself is getting deeper and deeper:
accumulated probability
<= 1
and what do you think of this:
Coup Zahlen-Wdh. Neue Zahl Restanten >= Einer N(ormalos) >= Zweier F(avoriten) nur 2er >= Dreier nur 3er >= Vierer nur 4er
1 0,000000% 100,000000% 36,000000 1,000000 1,000000 0,000000
2 2,702703% 97,297297% 35,027027 1,972973 1,945946 0,027027 0,027027 0,027027
3 5,332359% 94,667641% 34,080351 2,919649 2,840029 0,079620 0,079620 0,078890 0,000730 0,000730
4 7,890944% 92,109056% 33,159260 3,840740 3,684362 0,156378 0,156378 0,153515 0,002863 0,002843 0,000020 0,000020
5 10,380378% 89,619622% 32,263064 4,736936 4,480981 0,255955 0,255955 0,248943 0,007012 0,006915 0,000097 0,000096
6 12,802530% 87,197470% 31,391089 5,608911 5,231848 0,377063 0,377063 0,363323 0,013740 0,013456 0,000283 0,000280
7 15,159219% 84,840781% 30,542681 6,457319 5,938855 0,518464 0,518464 0,494905 0,023559 0,022912 0,000647 0,000636
8 17,452213% 82,547787% 29,717203 7,282797 6,603823 0,678974 0,678974 0,642038 0,036935 0,035669 0,001266 0,001238
9 19,683234% 80,316766% 28,914036 8,085964 7,228509 0,857455 0,857455 0,803168 0,054288 0,052057 0,002230 0,002169
10 21,853957% 78,146043% 28,132575 8,867425 7,814604 1,052820 1,052820 0,976826 0,075995 0,072357 0,003637 0,003517
11 23,966013% 76,033987% 27,372235 9,627765 8,363739 1,264026 1,264026 1,161630 0,102396 0,096803 0,005593 0,005378
12 26,020985% 73,979015% 26,632445 10,367555 8,877482 1,490073 1,490073 1,356282 0,133791 0,125582 0,008209 0,007849
13 28,020418% 71,979582% 25,912650 11,087350 9,357346 1,730005 1,730005 1,559558 0,170447 0,158844 0,011603 0,011031
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Quote from: TurboGenius on Jan 28, 09:46 AM 2017A aggressive progression is also key - Once the player has the game in their favor, it only makes sense to use a aggressive progression to increase bankroll and make up for those times when random throws that unfavorable cycle of spins at you.
See when the advantage is there
13 sessions
3-4 wins per session
bet after your number(s) shows
3 session base on Notto
Do you know what it means to watch, note and bet 120 to 200 spins in a B&M?
Well, I guess I know!
Whatever you do there is the time needed.
I know you have something better than that but...
3#
On Street
6 more sessions
Quote from: alexlaf on Sep 27, 03:18 PM 2022Street
How many laps? We need to think about the optimal number of laps. I tested on the lines it was okay to have 4-5 laps. But about 2 times out of 10 I needed more, because the leaders were changing...
On street
Notto how you played those backs.
It starts with #31.
5 X10 bets on street 34-36 +60
alex and Person S, when will you start to bet with real conditions and money?
What is real?
Winkel - already, yay. But so far 1 cent .lol.
Here's what's interesting, there are two versions of the game. You can play from the first spin, or create a wait until the X spin, and only then enter the game. In fact, my aspiration is to learn how to play from the first spin, but no not for repeats, but for unique. Yes the coverage will be wider, but there will be no time to wait when X spins come. And then when the unique will exhaust itself, already switch to repeats. But of course not everything will be smooth, there will be sessions of disasters. And it is necessary to be prepared for this.
Alex, I don't understand, I kept thinking you were playing from the last street and start attacking it. But here I'm stuck, you attack with a rotation of 33 or 34. When the last one came out on rotation 20. Okay, I guess we have different methods.
Does anyone understand how to organize the Geiger counter from the 60's video. There are 3 columns - ones, tenths, hundredths. Under singles there can be random spins, under tens there must be locations, and under hundreds there must be locations. Maybe under tenths there would be pigeonholes, and the repeats would be stacked there. But I don't have the talent to think of what could be under the tenths and hundredths.
Maybe parallel universes, in the form of groups. For example, a random number goes into a cell which is part of the group, the next number goes into that cell, etc. until it fills up. And then it all annihilates into another state. More predictable and probable. So one universe interacts with its girlfriend.
Quote from: Person S on Sep 29, 04:05 PM 2022Alex, I don't understand, I kept thinking you were playing from the last street and start attacking it. But here I'm stuck, you attack with a rotation of 33 or 34. When the last one came out on rotation 20. Okay, I guess we have different methods.
It depends on what you are playing, there are many top (3)
If I play the top 3 lines or streets, I bet the outside bet to cover all the numbers.
+435 on this one.
Two different targets in the same session.. what would you bet from start to finish!
26/3/35?
Just finished this, I don't remember the time it takes me.
All flat
The horses were fast and galloped as they should. It turned out that the sign was horses, I thought it was some kind of know-how...)). I thought it was something else entirely.
Quote from: alexlaf on Sep 30, 09:37 AM 2022Just finished this, I don't remember the time it takes me.
Maybe better to say how much you won? I also many what just finished and do not remember the time it takes me...
But I do not think that it is interesting to others...
You are from where - Russia also as Person S?
Ok Bebediktus2 i will not post anymore i am sorry..
That's a problem for you if you can't see how much i win,and do i have to be from a specific country or what!!!
And show us something interesting man.
Alex
At GF seems atrox23 knows how
:twisted:
I have moved to 8 nr and until now I am 33-0
Congrat to your HG
Has the number of numbers in the bet increased compared to the 3 numbers. It looks fine.
Quote from: Person S on Oct 04, 09:09 AM 2022Has the number of numbers in the bet increased compared to the 3 numbers. It looks fine.
Yes
Thank you! :thumbsup: Let's keep researching!
I'm trying to experiment with DS, it's all flat too.
Need to check it out a good bit.
Persona , how many DS , ty
It turns out to be not so easy, but still.
leoncino74 - 1-2 DS.
It's a variance game, it probably won't hold up and progressions will be needed.
Top 3(4)
Heyho, flatbet or progression? ;)
A small mistake there but I got back on track.
I don't know my jumps don't look so positive, and it's progressions (positive), although the recommendations were to play flat.
Quote from: Person S on Oct 07, 07:10 AM 2022I don't know my jumps don't look so positive, and their progressions (positive), although the recommendations were to play flat.
Person if you see my last graph I don't even bet for some spins.
If you have a (trigger) wait for that, let them say that doesn't work.
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 07, 09:49 AM 2022(trigger) wait for that, let them say that doesn't work
Alex, I'm the one trying to play horses/race, betting on the set to close - I have a trigger, but I can't stop. I can skip some bets if there are a lot of horses at the finish line, but by that time I'm in a slump and it could happen again in the next laps. So I don't know how to do it yet. Looking for...
Betting on the group better then average.
How long will you keep testing? :yawn:
Quote from: winkel on Oct 07, 04:15 PM 2022How long will you keep testing? :yawn:
How long did you need to find what you have if you have?
Quote from: winkel on Oct 07, 04:15 PM 2022How long will you keep testing? :yawn:
Maybe everybody is allowed to test as long he wants.
There is no need to ask Mr. Winkel from Germany. >:D
Quote from: Herbyx on Oct 08, 04:05 AM 2022Maybe everybody is allowed to test as long he wants.
There is no need to ask Mr. Winkel from Germany.
:thumbsup:
A couple more on group better than average.
It must be so easy to find hg on roulette simulator? But when you play in real casino with real money your hg disappear, vanish, gone with the wind lol.
Quote from: MumboJumbo on Oct 08, 01:57 PM 2022It must be so easy to find hg on roulette simulator? But when you play in real casino with real money your hg disappear, vanish, gone with the wind lol.
Do you have something for the real-world Mumbo? Because like you and others just for a comment seems good.
QuoteMaybe everybody is allowed to test as long he wants.
There is no need to ask Mr. Winkel from Germany. >:D
Maybe everybody is allowed to ask what he wants.
Quote from: winkel on Oct 09, 05:40 AM 2022Maybe everybody is allowed to ask what he wants.
You don't have the answer, Winkel.
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 09, 05:44 AM 2022You don't have the answer, Winkel.
I have an answer to everything: 42
Quote from: winkel on Oct 09, 06:25 AM 2022I have an answer to everything: 42
Boring Q and A
Yes, these drawdowns can explode the bankroll if there are several such failures in a row. And, for example, table maxes are limited.
This one is flat.
Is there possible you don't have any kind of drawdowns? lol
Of course there is, I have 2 types of graphs.
The "oh yes, you exist!!!" graph. And the "damn that hurt again" graph.
Quote from: Person S on Oct 09, 02:11 PM 2022Of course there is, I have 2 types of graphs.
The "oh yes, you exist!!!" graph. And the "damn that hurt again" graph.
Day and Night your graphs.
Something went wrong.
Quote from: Person S on Oct 09, 02:11 PM 2022Of course there is, I have 2 types of graphs.
I forgot to add that these bets were only for 1 number.
:ooh:
There are a lot of butterflies in the net ^-^
The Bar Is Always Open! :wink:
Street.
@alexlaf, can you explain where is the point of postings these screenshots? What did that give?
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Oct 16, 04:32 PM 2022@alexlaf, can you explain where is the point of postings these screenshots? What did that give?
Turbo did it already.
Can you answer my last question to you?
Street 12 went out 16 times, but how do we know we'll end up on it at least 13 or 14 times, that's the problem.
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 16, 05:06 PM 2022Can you answer my last question to you?
Only if I will know what is the question...
If you have something better for others to give or you are here just the comment part!
But what is the question?
If question is this :
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 17, 04:54 AM 2022If you have something better for others to give
then answer was always in front of your eyes :
But what is the question?
If question is this :
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 17, 04:54 AM 2022If you have something better for others to give
then answer was always in front of your eyes :Capture.JPG
There is no answer from you that's nothing.
Bebedictus hello - can you give us a hint which choice would be best, random we have tamed. We have brought chaos to order. But now the next important thing is how to handle the order. What tool can we use to benefit from it. The law of 2/3? Or is there something better? Thank you.
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Oct 17, 05:22 AM 2022But what is the question?
Bebedictus hello - can you give us a hint which choice would be best, random we have tamed. We have brought chaos to order. But now the next important thing is how to handle the order. What tool can we use to benefit from it. The law of 2/3? Or is there something better? Thank you.
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 17, 06:12 AM 2022There is no answer from you that's nothing.
But answer about what? I himself must create a question, instead that you will simply give it, not look that strange to you ?
I gave you a super simple question - what is the point of posting such charts which you post? What do these charts give to you and to others? But you can't answer ...Or do not want... :) ...or do not know what to answer :)
Quote from: Person S on Oct 17, 06:46 AM 2022Bebedictus hello - can you give us a hint which choice would be best, random we have tamed. We have brought chaos to order. But now the next important thing is how to handle the order. What tool can we use to benefit from it. The law of 2/3? Or is there something better? Thank you.
If you have some order - then all job is done... :)
Winning numbers distribution from some reference point is mainly, what you must know. Mathematically that name - is the natural distribution or Gaussian curve. That is the only thing that can help you in play.
For example, say we created a play model and it shows that the best play is 3-21 pockets from the reference point.
Easy to notice that if will be a similar result to this - we will win easy...
Its not what happening ( a common event )( same )
Its what you do ( different )
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 17, 07:29 AM 2022Its not what happening ( a common event )( same )
Its what you do ( different )
Talk is about how to beat roulette, not about what concrete me, or you do ...
If you can get that result will produce a Gaussian curve - you will win, if not you will be lost.
How every that does - is a personal thing of everybody, that is not main...
If somebody is trained to do better than others - he will do better than others - that is natural.
Nobody asks a chess grandmaster how he wins against an amateur - that is clear he trained much to become a master, learned various things, and as result - he wins...
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Oct 17, 07:27 AM 2022For example, say we created a play model and it shows that the best play is 3-21 pockets from the reference point.
Yes this window of n-spins is what I'm trying to look at as well. Some of the methods mention range. It's like a particle moving through time, and if it goes through the window, we're just waiting for another particle.
For all states x, it is possible to calculate averages, which is a good idea.
Here Alex, we have to try to make sure we're on top.
The ringing of the bell must be taught
But I suppose we can also be near the top, cherry-picking.
Thanks to Bebedictus for the explanations.
Bebedictus let me ask you another question. In this window, as in your example from 3-21, does only one number work or can you include more than one? For example we want to play 3 numbers, now we need to reduce this window (21/3=7), or we do not change anything. Thank you for your help.
Okay, I'll give it a try. Let the example with cycles of tens be my game model.
What I know I know is that there are 3 cycles with a probability - 33%, 44%, 22%. You can clearly see that 33 and 44 are the maximum density at which the cycle will be closed.
So my window is 2-3 pockets.
Now I take a handful of chips and start throwing them into this window, a soap bubble comes up behind me and tells me that the more chips I throw, the more it inflates and may soon burst (his name was the law of large numbers).
Then a Gaussian board appears and says boy, look at me - your window is really very small if you want to save the bubble make it bigger. But how? I ask her, but she disappears...
Quote from: Person S on Oct 17, 02:39 PM 2022Okay, I'll give it a try. Let the example with cycles of tens be my game model.
What I know I know is that there are 3 cycles...
In a roulette game - the dealer throws the ball and it goes its long way till it falls and finally stops in some pocket.
The player can observe all spin and can notice some reference point at the beginning of spin and can calculate the left distance till the final number. This way player gets say data point about this spin. After observing many spins - the player can have a bigger database and based on that create a play model.
If that model is well created in the future for player is enough to notice the reference point at the beginning of the spin and he knows the interval where the ball will land more often.
That is about what is the game.
Cycles and all similar are the results of ball movement...
Nothing new.
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Oct 17, 03:24 PM 2022The player can observe all spin and can notice some reference point at the beginning of spin and can calculate the left distance till the final number.
And how it works in today's environment with balanced RSS, and the dealer's hand is just as different.
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 17, 04:57 PM 2022Nothing new.
And how can be something new? Is as is...But I think you understand that some players win, but others - do not?
Or do you think that is another?
Everyone understands that dude, that's how games are.
You are talking like You win and Others are loosing.
A word of expert.
1-HG is hidden in last 100 spins.
2-Yes, it secretly remain in repeaters.
3-If casino is not rigged can work on rng roulette also.
4-100 spins is very important to me.
5-I'm just pretending to be important, but I might have helped.
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 17, 11:48 PM 2022You are talking like You win and Others are loosing.
I know whether I win or not, no need to talk in forums about winnings if I win. You will never find such from me...such talks did not give any benefit.
Everybody in the forum has their own purpose. I know mine but for me no clear aims of others.
That is why I asking you, what the purpose is of that posting charts...you not answering...
I am in forums for maybe 20 years, near that from when they started and can say that earlier many what was different. I have some interest in understanding why all so changed.
Maybe really people lost and did not want to participate in such games.
Then is the question - earlier they won ?
Nothing personal..
If you can help do it and don't jump saying what is the purpose of what I post.
I'm just posting results what turbo said as we are on that thread..
Even 50 years for you being around on forums that doesn't mean much to me,other people are on some other places,at least other members here have post a lot food for thought and almost a complete (strategy)
I am talking friendly but letter's have no personality so everyone takes what's he wants..
I know eather when I lose and when I win.
Mumbo can you expend your selection on last 100 or do you have post something that is related to that to read it?
If the RNG has a fairness control, can it be falsified?
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 18, 06:30 AM 2022If you can help do it and don't jump saying what is the purpose of what I post.
Man, I gave a simple and elementary question - why do you post these charts, and what they gave to you, or to others?
Now you talk about some help ...
Why you - elementary question transfer to promising help?
Why I must help you, maybe better if you will help? :)
The help was in general,not for me personally.
Anyway.
But why you suddenly started talking about help?
Do you help others?
Why your mind got stock on the word help..
Because I gave a question, which, if you will answer interesting can lead to a discussion, but you done all that discussion will not appear...
My interest is to understand your behavior... :)
:P
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Oct 18, 09:11 AM 2022Because I gave a question, which, if you will answer interesting can lead to a discussion, but you done all that discussion will not appear...
My interest is to understand your behavior... :)
Hi Bebediktus,
alexlaf and PersonS are desparetly looking for a winning system.
On the other hand they think everybody is beholden to help them. Who doesn´t give them the expected hints or answers they fall back in her russian behaviour.
Winkel let roulette and tell us how to make a soap..
Quote from: winkel on Oct 18, 11:15 AM 2022On the other hand they think everybody is beholden to help them.
Yes, that is not new to me and not only they but can be that there is something other...
Winkel, this is not a desperate attempt at least for me, but as a kind of journey. It will bear fruit well, no I will not be very upset. From Russia it's just me, Alex from Greece.
Quote from: Bebediktus3 on Oct 18, 12:25 PM 2022... but can be that there is something other...
You should know that the best strategy is always destroyed by the dealer.
Are you looking for something special (chances) or could it be anything?
I told your friend in Wiesbaden that there is something in Esplanade-casino. Some tables come up with 2nd and 3rd dozen in the beginning. If you like to have a look in this.
br
winkel/ropro
Quote from: Person S on Oct 18, 12:33 PM 2022Winkel, this is not a desperate attempt at least for me, but as a kind of journey.
so why don´t you follow the links I gave to you. Just register at that forum and you will see the graphs.
Quote from: winkel on Oct 18, 02:17 PM 2022Just register at that forum and you will see the graphs.
I've already made two attempts to register there, one a month ago, the second two days ago. Still waiting for approval, I guess I didn't pass the face control)
100 spins
Keep track of 100 spins hit rate on a rolling basis
Put chip on number hit 0,1,2 times in those 100 spins rolling basis even if at 160 spins in (only tracking 100 spins)
Play positive progression on these numbers
???????? Is what the positive progression
1,2,5 stop
1,3,6,10 stop
1,4,15 stop
1,2,4,8,20 stop
Bankroll????
Stop in any profit??
Stop when top of progression hit??
Obviously need roulette xtreame wheel frequency to play this way.
What's bankroll
300?
500?
No more!!
A lot easier said than done but this type of play can work effectively it's just getting the perfect set up.
Average win longterm/ average loss logterm
❤️👍 thanks
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 16, 11:08 AM 2022Street
Hi alex,
your tables are good to be understood. :thumbsup:
Thank you Herbyx, for others my table's may do something for others nothing at the end I am giving my results the main and the whole thing turbo did it.. 🙂
Quote from: alexlaf on Oct 16, 11:08 AM 2022Street.
Did a test of 5000 spins.
I took the table from this post and looked to see on which spin the maximum appeared x10. My little test showed that on spin 100 it was always x10.
If you think that we will be on the hottest street 9 times out of 10 for sure (not going to happen in practice), then the average hit is 11.1111... So what if we add 0, we lose the edge of the house. Yes I meant to say that this situation has happened 2-5 times on 5k spins. The conclusion is that it is not that unreliable.
Then you have to think of something else - for example, not to use 1 street, and expand the choice. But the value of that choice will increase again. The odds won't change, that's the problem again.
That one I call a day for me, that is my target for now.
One street bet
main bet 1 unit
Just on the graph there are places where the winnings on the street does not correspond to reality, or it was 2 winnings in a row?
One street
double hit yes.
Great :thumbsup:
Catching up, but so far 2 streets + positive progression.
Better to know right away than in 100 years.
And then I took it and decided to compare what would happen if I played 2 random streets in the same style. Here's the result.
As sad as it is, the conclusion is inescapable. :(
On numbers :)
If only more people would listen to you. Cold numbers getting hot eventually. Cold numbers going hot played with a progression profiting very nicely. You'll win on 1 or a few of them and you'll be done without they even catching up to the mean . Which they will but it could take a long time.
Anyone can test this in RX. Simulate 100 "sessions" of 3700 spins and take a look how the Cold numbers trying to catch up. Some will and go beyond while others won't.
This can most definitely be used in our favor. The fallacy at work :love:
Just make it playable
TG pointed something out at GF long time ago where he would track the first 37/38 spins and then play the cold numbers AFTER they show up till they caught up. Flat-betting! I've tested this in RX till I found the average DD and the max DD....almost to easy to win
Hot numbers are the fast way though :lol:
This wat to Sweet his reply at page 148.
Good to see you around Denzie
Sounds like a good idea to keep track of cold numbers warming up, I am going to write a python code for this strategy and see what the results would look like.