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Title: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 02:06 AM 2020
I bet,
everyone here, become mesmerised :love:, when reading this quote,

 "...you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it." Kimo Li.
unquote.

I ,also, like you, feel excited :-*, and start to imagine, me walk into casino, walk to a table, sit down, get the chips, study the previous bets,
play for tens of spins, and win! :twisted: And walk to next table, and win, and walk out! Ha!ha!ha! :xd: ;D :twisted:

Now, we dedicated this thread to discuss, ONLY this TOPIC,
 exchanging ideas, thought, dreams, etc.

(Please dont post all the STALE STATEMENT OF NEGATIVE , :question: :yawn: :ooh: We already understand the maths, chartered course of betting, even before you open your mouth! :yawn:

or start your own thread, of "IT'S impossible to win!"
 :yawn: :question: :ooh: :sad2:  ...
 if you insist to let people know you shallow knowledge! :yawn:  )


What he mean,..
quote,
 "...you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it." Kimo Li

What is EVENT?
Something that had happened.
Thus we look at the board, all that is an "event", and we can chart it...

let say, you sit down, and look at the board...

Spins
07
04
32
30
05
21
09
07

R
B
R
R
R
R
R
R

L
L
H
H
L
H
L
L

O
E
E
E
O
O
O
O

(or in dozens, lines, etc...)
now, how we going to bet with that?

I think, we could bet,
that the next 15 or 20
will NOT, or will, hit EXACTLY!

WHY?

What the purpose?

The main purpose,
is...

1) in next 15 to 20 ,
(or extended spins...or desired spins...)
the result, the hit rate, will always a winning hit rate vis-a-vis progression!

I regard this as most important, in betting!

What say you?
please chip in...
thanks?
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Apr 17, 02:54 AM 2020
I bet,
everyone here, become mesmerised :love:, when reading this quote,

 "...you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it." Kimo Li.
unquote.

I ,also, like you, feel excited :-*, and start to imagine, me walk into casino, walk to a table, sit down, get the chips, study the previous bets,
play for tens of spins, and win! :twisted: And walk to next table, and win, and walk out! Ha!ha!ha! :xd: ;D :twisted:

Now, we dedicated this thread to discuss, ONLY this TOPIC,
 exchanging ideas, thought, dreams, etc.

(Please dont post all the STALE STATEMENT OF NEGATIVE , :question: :yawn: :ooh: We already understand the maths, chartered course of betting, even before you open your mouth! :yawn:

or start your own thread, of "IT'S impossible to win!"
 :yawn: :question: :ooh: :sad2:  ...
 if you insist to let people know you shallow knowledge! :yawn:  )


What he mean,..
quote,
 "...you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it." Kimo Li

What is EVENT?
Something that had happened.
Thus we look at the board, all that is an "event", and we can chart it...

let say, you sit down, and look at the board...

Spins
07
04
32
30
05
21
09
07

R
B
R
R
R
R
R
R

L
L
H
H
L
H
L
L

O
E
E
E
O
O
O
O

(or in dozens, lines, etc...)
now, how we going to bet with that?

I think, we could bet,
that the next 15 or 20
will NOT, or will, hit EXACTLY!

WHY?

What the purpose?

The main purpose,
is...

1) in next 15 to 20 ,
(or extended spins...or desired spins...)
the result, the hit rate, will always a winning hit rate vis-a-vis progression!

I regard this as most important, in betting!

What say you?
please chip in...
thanks?

You're right about that, but: in order to be safe that you win, you need a longer sequence. A longer sequence means more bets. More bets means a huge BR....
I'm not saying that it's not a good point. It is! But still, without a very good progression and MM......
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 03:59 AM 2020
You're right about that, but: in order to be safe that you win, you need a longer sequence. A longer sequence means more bets. More bets means a huge BR....
I'm not saying that it's not a good point. It is! But still, without a very good progression and MM......

Steeefan2014,
Your's absolutely right!
Thats why, we need to rake our brain, to have a "survivable" mm&br, to sustain"expected" cut-losses, so that ,one or two sessions losses, could be offset, by few more winning seasons.

And better hit and run too...

We may need to research, say,

eg.
Need to bet 20 spins.

if flatbet, need 51%hit,

if labby, need 33.34% hit.

or, if, I wait for ,say,2 virtual losses, then less losses to bear,

or if, in matrix-two increment, after a first hit, then second spin, be "no-bet", or....so on.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Steeefan2014 on Apr 17, 04:50 AM 2020
Steeefan2014,
Your's absolutely right!
Thats why, we need to rake our brain, to have a "survivable" mm&br, to sustain"expected" cut-losses, so that ,one or two sessions losses, could be offset, by few more winning seasons.

And better hit and run too...

We may need to research, say,

eg.
Need to bet 20 spins.

if flatbet, need 51%hit,

if labby, need 33.34% hit.

or, if, I wait for ,say,2 virtual losses, then less losses to bear,

or if, in matrix-two increment, after a first hit, then second spin, be "no-bet", or....so on.

I would say that labby works best in this case! And for a sequence of 10 numbers, I would go for a 500units BR. Just to be safe..IMO.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 07:17 AM 2020
I would say that labby works best in this case! And for a sequence of 10 numbers, I would go for a 500units BR. Just to be safe..IMO.

Steefan2014,

firstly, test the bet selection, for 10, 15, or 20 spins, increment.
Look for hit/lose ratios.

Labby, is one of the
acceptable progression.
Of ,say, 20spins, then 33.34%, we need at least 7hit/20 spins.

Modified labby and Hp. Johnson, can win with less than 33%,
but the losses be catastrophic!
Thus only suitable for short and cut losses bet....but that another topic.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 07:55 AM 2020
ExtremeVariance Avoidance In Progression!

only hanful understand this,
say, if in a box, there 9black&1red.
I take 1 ball out, cast aside, and take 1 out till no ball left...
Then how you bet with marthy to win TWO instead of only one?
Thats avoidance in progression, that could applied to any progression.

Now another progression... in
 matrix-two

arrange result in matrix2.

eg.
RBRBRB
RRRRRR
BBBBBB

RB...(1r 1b)
RB...(1r 1b)
RB...(1r 1b)
RR...(2r 0b)
RR...(2r 0b)
RR...(2r 0b)
BB...(0r 2b)
BB...(0r 2b)
BB...(0r 2b )

if win first , we do not bet, but wait out 2nd.

below, over simplified.
eg.
bet R only.

RB...(1r 1b) betR,nb
RB...(1r 1b)betR,nb
RB...(1r 1b)betR,nb
RR...(2r 0b)betR, nb
RR...(2r 0b)betR,nb
RR...(2r 0b)betR,nb
RR...(2r 0b)betR,nb
BB...(0r 2b)lose,lose
BB...(0r 2b)lose,lose
BB...(0r 2b )lose,lose

win=1,nb,=+1.

lose=1,win=2=+1
..stopbet.reset bet.

lose1,lose2=-3.
reset.

progression=1,2,1,2,12

and may progress too
2,4,2,4,2,4...
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Mister Eko on Apr 17, 08:02 AM 2020
Good, now try it without prgression. Flatbet is the winner, or light progression for a specific range, not more than 3-5 spins, than restart. Progressions like this only helps casinos to wipe out your bankroll faster.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: number25 on Apr 17, 08:10 AM 2020
Teach us Sweet
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 08:28 AM 2020
Teach us Sweet

No, I do not teach, just discuss.


Good, now try it without prgression. Flatbet is the winner, or light progression for a specific range, not more than 3-5 spins, than restart. Progressions like this only helps casinos to wipe out your bankroll faster.
Agreed with your view.
Aggressive progressions, very deadly.
Why 3 to 5spins, not 10,15, or 20 spins.

How mild is mild progression?
Please show how to bet?
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: swanson on Apr 17, 08:44 AM 2020
study the previous bets

Thus we look at the board, all that is an "event", and we can chart it...

One problem... Oftentimes, the board doesn't reflect the previous spins. I often see the board not registering the results of the wheel. Maybe you can still use these results, though, since it does reflect previous results.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: number25 on Apr 17, 08:54 AM 2020
American roulette spins


22.     B-E-H.      4 BLACKS
1.        R O L.      4 ODD
13.       B O L.     4. L.
2.         B E L.       bet B/L/O
25.       R O H.   
6.          B O L.   

30.       R/E/H.   4 REDS
20.       B E H.     4 EVEN
32.       R E H.     4 HIGH
21.       R O H.    BET R/E/H
11.       B O L. W
12.       R E L

21.     R O H.        5 EVEN
36.     R E H W.     3 R & 3 B TIE
6.        B E L.         3 HIGH
6.         B E L.    Bet E&H
20.       B E H
00.       R

20.      B E H. W
12.      R E L
8.        B E L
26.      B E H
24.      B E H
8.        B E L
 
Here is board charted.

Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 09:24 AM 2020
Thanks Swanson for your view.
Number25, you make long list, and see how it goes, for 10,15,20 increments, maybe we could see something.

now, back to some progression ideas.

if we bet
RRBBRRBRRBB ...
till profit(?)

this how we bet, same as previous ideas, only different presentation.

R...if ..hit
R...then no bet.
B. ..hit
B...nb
R...if lose
R...bet again..reset
B...lose
B...bet again..reset
R...lose
R...lose...stop bet, wait
B...virtual win
B..nb
R...lose,
R....v.win
B...resume bet, hit
B...nb
R...lose
R..hit
B...lose
B...hit
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 10:02 AM 2020
American roulette spins
I think, if we
 bet ,
rrbbrrbbrrbb
in matrix two increment.

22.     Br hit
1.        Rr nb
13.       Bb hit
2.         Bb nb
25.       Rr hit
6.          Br nb

30.       Rb hit
20.       Bb  nb
32.       Rr hit
21.       Rr nb
11.       Bb hit
12.       Rb nb

21.     Rr hit
36.     Rr nb
6.        Bb hit
6.         Bb  nb
20.       Br  lose
00.       r.    lose
......,.......STOP BET
20.      B b virtual.win
12.      Rb. nb
8.        Br. v.win
26.      Br. nb
24.      B b. hit
8.        B b nb
 maybe  just lucky....


Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 10:26 AM 2020
American roulette spins
same numbers,let start with bbrrbbrr

22.     B- b hit
1.        Rb nb

13.       Br lose
2.         B r lose

25.       R  b stopbet
6.          B  b  vwin1

30.       Rr vwin2
20.       B r nb

32.       R b lose
21.       R b lose

11.       B r nb
12.       R r vwin1

21.     R  b Virtual.lose
36.     R b V.lose

6.        B  r vwin1
6.         B  r nb

20.       B b vwin2
00.       xb nb

20.      B r lose
12.      R r hit

8.        B b hit
26.      B b nb

24.      B r lose
8.        Br lose
 
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: number25 on Apr 17, 10:56 AM 2020
American roulette 2 set spins


35.   B O. H
2.      B E.  L

30.    R. E. H
11.     B O.  L   bet B

8.       B E.  L.   W
3.       R O.  L.      Bet L

15.     B O L.  W
31.     B O H     BET B/O/L

29.     B O H.   no Low loss bet
23.     R O H.   B/ O / H

27.     R O H
29.      B O H.  WIN BET O/H

27.     R O H. W
26.     B E H.   BET H/O

10.     B E L
35.     B O H. W. BET B/H

31.    B O H. W
34.    R E H.  BET B/H

35.   B O H. W
8.     B E L.   BET B/H

15.  B O L.  LOSS THIS SET
14.  R E L

35.  B O H
36.  R E H. NO BET

26.  B E H.
29.  B O H  BETB/H

8.   B E L.  LOSS
32. R E H.   BET B E H

8.  B E L
20. B E H WINNER

We would of stopped when in profit,  But we did win most of the sets!
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 10:57 AM 2020
American roulette spins

follow previous
 five spin vs contra

22.     B-
1.        R
13.       B
2.         B
25.       R
6.          B hit/lose
30.       R hit/lose
20.       B hit/lose
32.       R lose/hit
21.       R hit/lose
11.       B hit/lose
12.       R hit/lose
21.     R  lose/hit
36.     R hit/lose
6.        B  lose/hit
6.         B hit/lose
20.      B lose/hit
00.       x lose/lose
20.      B lose/hit
12.      R hit/lose
8.        B hit/lose
26.      B hit/lose
24.      B hit/lose
8.        B hit/lose
 
Here is board charted.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Mister Eko on Apr 17, 11:18 AM 2020
No, I do not teach, just discuss.

Agreed with your view.
Aggressive progressions, very deadly.
Why 3 to 5spins, not 10,15, or 20 spins.

How mild is mild progression?
Please show how to bet?
Thanks in advance.

Because 3 5 spins progression can be recovered, 15 20 spin is dead. If you lose 3-5 spins it can be recovered, depending of course what to bet, but in this case EC bet can be. 15-20 lost step progression is of course dead, its over, no recovery.
Mild progressions is like what Ignatus uses, all his systems are losings in long run.

Show how to bet? You know how to bet I think.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: number25 on Apr 17, 11:32 AM 2020
Because 3 5 spins progression can be recovered, 15 20 spin is dead. If you lose 3-5 spins it can be recovered, depending of course what to bet, but in this case EC bet can be. 15-20 lost step progression is of course dead, its over, no recovery.
Mild progressions is like what Ignatus uses, all his systems are losings in long run.

Show how to bet? You know how to bet I think.

Roulette player should only play into a money goal is won or lost.

You can't beat the wheel forever.

Take the $ & run
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Mister Eko on Apr 17, 11:44 AM 2020
Roulette player should only play into a money goal is won or lost.

You can't beat the wheel forever.

Take the $ & run

Yes I agree. Focus on hit and run, reach fast session goals. Include more small session goals to reach daily win goal, which should be about 50% your bankroll, not less. If your target is reach 5% bakroll is nonsense, you must win 20x to double your bankroll. I say fck this. Dont be greedy but set realistic parameters. Daily 50% should be realistic to reach with small session goals. Try to qualifie your game to a table for fast possible wins. Recovery is neccesary like the main method.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 11:51 AM 2020
DOZENS SIGNATURE
EVENTS BET?

Dozens, is very exciting,
the 66%vs33%,and the streaky...
Lets say...

A=dozen1
B=dozen2
C=dozen3
thus we bet in
MATRIX-THREE.

arrange last THREE SPINS in three in row

123
123
123

thus,
after a perculiar event,

say, you see,
after six spins...
ABC,
ABC,

will ABC, hit again?

after you see, say,
AAA
BBB
will CCC hit?

after
AAA
BBB,
then after many
spins, you see,

AAA hit, then..will
BBB hit, again???

or
after
ABA..
ACA...then do you think
.........when
ABA hit,
ACA, hit again immediately???

if
AAA
bba
BBB
aac, do you think,
CCC, will hit???

if, you see
ABC,
acc,
ABC,
bcb, then...
ABC hit again???

if,
ABB
CCC, then after awhile

ABB hit again, will
CCC hit again???

if
AAA, then
BCA, then after

BBB, you think..
BCA, hit again???

if you see
AAA
ABC
ABC,  then after awhile

AAA hit, will

ABC
ABC...hit again?

of course, they may,
how to bet then?
think hard,
very hard!
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 11:57 AM 2020
Thanks MisterEko, for your views, appreciate them.
Thanks Number25.
do you  do programming?(read pm )
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 12:06 PM 2020
Now,
SINGLE DOZEN SIGNATURE EVENTS!

When we see, say,...








CONTINUE TOMMOROW!
good night,
midnight here
zzzzz, ssskornzzzz, zzz
hehehe...
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 17, 12:13 PM 2020
oops!
Copy and paste this request,
"""""""
CAN ANYONE HELP ME?
I have a simple double dozen bet, that I think, quite ok, but since I have no computer skill, I only do test, (with old shaky fingers, and old eyesight) and only manage to do a few thousand spins test, which is too small, to have conclusion...



Europe wheel

dz=dozen,
 thus dz1=dozen one, and so on.

test like this.

if last spin...
=dz1.
bet dz1&dz2.

if last spin=dz2.
bet dz2 & dz3

if last spin
=dz3
bet dz3 &dz1

if zero hit,
bet the previous dz.
as if it never there, take the loss, of course.
eg
dz1,then ZERO,

So bet dz1 & dz2.
........
bet continuously,
no matter win or lose,
keep on betting, base on the last dozen hit.

eg.
spin result in dozen.
dz1....bet dz1 & dz2
dz2...win, bet dz2&dz3
dz3...win, bet dz3&dz1
dz2..lose, bet dz2&dz3
ZERO lose...BET dz2&dz3
dz1. lose..bet dz1&dz2
dz3..lose..bet dz3&dz1
and so on...
PLEASE HELP...
if it is good, we discuss how to staking.
Thanks in advance.

good night, need to zzzzz
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Mister Eko on Apr 17, 12:17 PM 2020
oops!
Copy and paste this request,
"""""""
CAN ANYONE HELP ME?
I have a simple double dozen bet, that I think, quite ok, but since I have no computer skill, I only do test, (with old shaky fingers, and old eyesight) and only manage to do a few thousand spins test, which is too small, to have conclusion...



Europe wheel

dz=dozen,
 thus dz1=dozen one, and so on.

test like this.

if last spin...
=dz1.
bet dz1&dz2.

if last spin=dz2.
bet dz2 & dz3

if last spin
=dz3
bet dz3 &dz1

if zero hit,
bet the previous dz.
as if it never there, take the loss, of course.
eg
dz1,then ZERO,

So bet dz1 & dz2.
........
bet continuously,
no matter win or lose,
keep on betting, base on the last dozen hit.

eg.
spin result in dozen.
dz1....bet dz1 & dz2
dz2...win, bet dz2&dz3
dz3...win, bet dz3&dz1
dz2..lose, bet dz2&dz3
ZERO lose...BET dz2&dz3
dz1. lose..bet dz1&dz2
dz3..lose..bet dz3&dz1
and so on...
PLEASE HELP...
if it is good, we discuss how to staking.
Thanks in advance.

good night, need to zzzzz

Mate..I dont wanna be dreambroke, or similar, but this is losing wone. Pless Clf7 come here to discuss my friend what do you think. He is honest man.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Kattila on Apr 17, 01:09 PM 2020
Sweet,  you know it s better focus on the Wheel (just like your sensei Kimo).
forget about RB, LH......doz, col.....
Look(reveal) some results from EC bet /wheel based, maybe a little better than RB, LH, EO.....?
When lose take the lose( cut at L3 for example) when W take the win  ;D
I prefer possitive progressions, when bad run down level(s) when win up level until recover ,
or until close to last high / or hit your own stop lose per session.

Reveal (click to show/hide)

or same but excel
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 18, 07:23 AM 2020
Thanks Kattila for your idea.
But how to bet (rules?)
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 18, 07:24 AM 2020
How About Single Dozen?


below an oversimplified example

BCB
ACC
ABA
CBC
CAC
BAA

see what missing?



BCB...(A)missing
ACC...(B)
ABA...(C)
CBC...(A)
CAC...(B)
BAA...(C)



BCB...(A)
ACC...(B)
ABA...(C)
CBC...(A)
CAC...(B)
BAA...(C)
CCB...(A)
AAC...(B)
ABB...(C)
BBC...(A)
AAC...(B)
BAB...(C)

Now, the signature
 of random event
="ABCABCABCABC"

SO,
how you going to bet this
single dozen event?
Do you think, that ABC..,
will missing in  "EXACTLY",
sequence, in next spins???

how to bet then?


or,
after
you see...

BCB...(A missing)
ACC...(B missing)

will  (C) missing, in next three spins???

or, after you see

CBC...(A)
CAC...(B)
BAA...(C)..will
XXX..(A) missing?
XXX..(B)missing?
XXX..(C)missing?

Will ABC missing in exact sequence???
then how to bet?





Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 18, 07:44 AM 2020
Guys,
betting MATRIX THREE,
has it peculiar style.

We do bet all three in row, if misses first ,2nd spins.
If first spin hit, we wait out the 2nd and 3rd spins.
If we missed 1st, but hit 2nd, we do NOT bet the third,
and wait to bet next row.

eg.
XXX
XXX
XXX MATRIX OF 3.

HIT ,NB,NB
L,HIT,NB
L,L,HIT.
L,L,L...(lose all three spins)
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Kattila on Apr 18, 10:10 AM 2020
I will give you soon  example with the wheel based EC.

About the  dozen bet ,
To  not wait ages until random give some trigger/pattern,
could use streets or splits to start to create your own dozens.
Will be growing groups( dozens).
First you have to keep in mind that random will replicate (sometimes)
any pattern we invent or any event. The question is how often......

This is how i do,  don t know how you can create/ or wait that ABC missing (in your example).

Street  /   Patt

3               a
7               b
12             c
5               a
8               b
1               c
6               a
10             b    bet against
--------------------------------------
12            c             L1
4              a(new)   L2
2              b(new)   L3
5              a            W


-----------------------------------------
Here some other non - random examples,



NR

12      a           a
4        b           a
23      a           b
7        b           b
34      a           a
4        b           a
18      a           b
9        b           b
28      a           a
3        b           a
5        a           b
29      b           b
33      a           a
1        b           a
17      a           b
15      b           b   

----------------------------------------------

Nr     

11      a           a
14      b           a
25      c           b
7        a           b
34      b           c
24      c           c
11      a           a
13      b           a
28      c           b
36      a           b
5        b           c
29      c           c
31      a           a
19      b           a
27      c           b
30      a           b
4        b           c
8        c           c
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 18, 10:28 AM 2020
Thanks Kattila for your ideas.
What is that ,
a,b,c?
Hope you could post the rules.
Thanks
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Kattila on Apr 18, 11:48 AM 2020
a,b,c....   pattern 
In that streets groups trigger( 8 streets) example ,
group A have 3 streets , group B also 3 streets,
group C  have 2 streets at that point/trigger.
Bet the last two groups(ab , bc, ca, ab.....) , so against the pattern.
When lose because hit new street , put that street into
the corespondent group  according with the pattern ( cabc...)
c new, a new, b new, c new.... so when lose because hit new street
 the groups can grow until a max. of 4 street each , but we hope for a W before that.

In the ABCABCABC....pattern we have hit only position 3 and 6 (ex. AxxAxxAxx), that is why
bet for positions 1 and 2. If you want to bet less numbers(streets) than attack only one
position , 1  or 2 , not both.

Also can create EC bet s with streets, splits, straights.
Create chops ABABABAB.....then bet for change.... FTL,
or  AABBAABB.....bet for series of  3 ( BBB or AAA).
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 18, 10:17 PM 2020
Thanks Kattila for your interesting methods,
will spend many hours, research them.
Thanks!.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 18, 10:17 PM 2020
Now,
What the trigger, so that in the next ,
"THREE SPINS,
DOUBLE DOZENS,
WILL HIT THREE TIMES
IN A ROW."
The hit/lose ratios,
of 3in-row/failure,
should around 7/3.

How the staking?
it a popular dd parlay.

br=5units,

lose=5,(total loss/season)

win+br=15
net win=10/season.

How to stake.
br=5units.

first spin, only 4u.
2u on each dozen
if hit, =2+2=2,total=6.

second spin
3u on each dozen
if hit 3+3=3,total=9

third spin
since 9/2=4.5.
add another chip
to make it 10u.

of hit=5+5=5,=15u
total win
=15-5br=10u nett.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 19, 10:37 AM 2020
OOX
OXO
XOO
OXO
OOX
OXO
XOO
OXO
OOX
OXO
XOO
OXO
OOX
maybe you would like this as your "event signature"???
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: number25 on Apr 19, 03:14 PM 2020
OOX
OXO
XOO
OXO
OOX
OXO
XOO
OXO
OOX
OXO
XOO
OXO
OOX
maybe you would like this as your "event signature"???
  How is this Kimo Li signature event?   
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 20, 03:35 AM 2020
  How is this Kimo Li signature event?
Number25,
I didn't say, this
 "his event signature".

I said,
"..maybe you would like this as your "event signature"???"

Event Signature,
is a pattern you bet, against or follow,
it never meant to has "edge", NEVER!
It only meant to avoid EXTREME VARIANCE,
and to have hit, within your PROGRESSION STRATEGY "EXPECTATION"!

eg.
If your intended progression , is, say,
Labby,( 0,1)
Then, your "event",
must always have hits,
that more than 33.34%,
or you need to cut loss!
There's never a strategy to hit 100%,
we must have a "recoupable " cut loss strategy.
eg.
bet next 20 spins, or cut loss,
thus 20x 33.34%=at least 7hit,or if hit less than 7hit, cut loss!
Thus at least 7hit/20spins, is the progression's math EXPECTATION!

UNTIL we truly understand this concept, we cant have a hg.
Hope we understand, before we move on.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: CarpeDiem on Apr 21, 01:58 PM 2020
American roulette 2 set spins


35.   B O. H
2.      B E.  L

30.    R. E. H
11.     B O.  L   bet B

8.       B E.  L.   W
3.       R O.  L.      Bet L

15.     B O L.  W
31.     B O H     BET B/O/L

29.     B O H.   no Low loss bet
23.     R O H.   B/ O / H

27.     R O H
29.      B O H.  WIN BET O/H

27.     R O H. W
26.     B E H.   BET H/O

10.     B E L
35.     B O H. W. BET B/H

31.    B O H. W
34.    R E H.  BET B/H

35.   B O H. W
8.     B E L.   BET B/H

15.  B O L.  LOSS THIS SET
14.  R E L

35.  B O H
36.  R E H. NO BET

26.  B E H.
29.  B O H  BETB/H

8.   B E L.  LOSS
32. R E H.   BET B E H

8.  B E L
20. B E H WINNER

We would of stopped when in profit,  But we did win most of the sets!

Interesting stuff.
When you bet FTL ( follow the last) on EC, its nemesis is the RBRBRB / OEOEOE or HLHLHL sequences etc.
By clustering the last 4 spins  on 4 rows x 3
Calculating the sum of each appearance on the columns:
If an EC =2 no bet on that EC and no bet on its Opposite EC
If an EC =1 no bet on that EC, bet on opposite EC
If an EC= 3 or 4 bet that EC, do not bet on the opposite EC

RBRB/OEOE/HLHL etc becomes a no bet

Like in Number25' s example:

35.   B O. H
2.      B E.  L
30.    R. E. H
11.     B O.  L 

bet B (because B=3, R=1, O=E=2, L=H=2 )

Does this require a side bet or is this sufficient to win?

For EC, 2 at the power of 2=4, the no bet (equilibrium) is when both EC=2, bet only the EC that appear >2
For Dozens, 3 at power 2=9 spins
the no bet(equilibrium) is when all dozens appear each 3 times in a 9 spin matrix no bet,bet only the dozens that appear >3 times
For lines 12 at power2 =144 spins the no bet equilibrium) is when all lines=12, bet only the lines that appeared>12 in the last 144 spins.

Why wouldn't an approach like this win this game?

Look at number 3
Red Low Odd
1st dozen
1st street
1st line
And so on

Isn't this the famos cycle betting everyone was alluding to?
EC 4 spins
Dozens 9 spins
Lines 144 spins
Single numbers 1369 spins ( if you have the patience for it lol)

X at the power of 2, where x is the total number of unique chances.

Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: mohitomish on Apr 22, 05:27 AM 2020
Interesting stuff.
When you bet FTL ( follow the last) on EC, its nemesis is the RBRBRB / OEOEOE or HLHLHL sequences etc.
By clustering the last 4 spins  on 4 rows x 3
Calculating the sum of each appearance on the columns:
If an EC =2 no bet on that EC and no bet on its Opposite EC
If an EC =1 no bet on that EC, bet on opposite EC
If an EC= 3 or 4 bet that EC, do not bet on the opposite EC

RBRB/OEOE/HLHL etc becomes a no bet

Like in Number25' s example:

35.   B O. H
2.      B E.  L
30.    R. E. H
11.     B O.  L 

bet B (because B=3, R=1, O=E=2, L=H=2 )

Does this require a side bet or is this sufficient to win?

For EC, 2 at the power of 2=4, the no bet (equilibrium) is when both EC=2, bet only the EC that appear >2
For Dozens, 3 at power 2=9 spins
the no bet(equilibrium) is when all dozens appear each 3 times in a 9 spin matrix no bet,bet only the dozens that appear >3 times
For lines 12 at power2 =144 spins the no bet equilibrium) is when all lines=12, bet only the lines that appeared>12 in the last 144 spins.

Why wouldn't an approach like this win this game?

Look at number 3
Red Low Odd
1st dozen
1st street
1st line
And so on

Isn't this the famos cycle betting everyone was alluding to?
EC 4 spins
Dozens 9 spins
Lines 144 spins
Single numbers 1369 spins ( if you have the patience for it lol)

X at the power of 2, where x is the total number of unique chances.

excellent first post, thanks
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: number25 on Apr 22, 06:15 AM 2020
@ CarpeDiem

Hello,  I was. tracking the B R O E H L.
Then playing dominant of those choices. 

So If the bet was B & O & L .
I would of put chips on all of those numbers.

Good job on thinking out side the box!

Number 25
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 25, 08:41 AM 2020
Guys,
Below,
a very interesting,
for us to ponder.
123=dozen1,2,3.

(Many thanks to raymanz)

Source: raymanz

66k spins euro

123 123: hit 31 times
132 132: 35 times
213 213: 30 times
231 231: 30 times
312 312: 26 times
321 321: 28 times
111 111: 23
222 222: 22
333 333: 26

123: hit 831times
132: 854
213: 824
231: 807
312: 771
321: 802
111: 774
222: 790
333: 795 times
unquote.

123123 mean
dz1,2,3,1,2,3 hit 31 times in a row.
123 appear 831times in 22000row of matrix3.
eg.
123,then
123.
this happened 31times

831-31-31=769matrix not repeating.
66000/3=22000
row of matrix3.


how could this data,
become useful for incorporating our event signature?
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 26, 04:05 AM 2020

thus, if we,
say,
apply 123,123,123,123
as our

"event signature",

then,
apart from the pesky green,
nine losses in row,
will be, when
123,123,123 hit...

if 123, hit once, then the losses, may not hit, more than three times-in -row...

if 123,123 hit,
the losses in row, may not more than six-in-row...

thus, as in raymanz's
data,
if we apply 123,as
"event",
then
3in-row losses, may not
more than
831-31-31=769row/2200row.

and
6in-row, losses, may not
more than
31row/22000row

hope you understand.

Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 28, 11:11 AM 2020
if we take,
say,
123,
as a single "event",
then the probability to lose three times in a row, =1/27.
If we only have
123,
then it will sooner or later lose 3in-row, when 123matrix appear.(1/27), and when 123-123 hit, we lose 6in-row.
We have,
LLW
LLW
LLW,
when
121,122 ,hit.
LWL,
LWL, when
113,133 hit.
and
WLL
WLL, when
223,323hit.

Thus having more
eg.
123
312
231
have better math expectation hit.
and lose 9in-row
when the event repeat exactly...
How about
111
222
333
222
111 as your "event"?
We lose 9in-row,
when 111222333hit.

Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: RayManZ on Apr 28, 11:28 AM 2020
if we take,
say,
123,
as a single "event",
then the probability to lose three times in a row, =1/27.
If we only have
123,
then it will sooner or later lose 3in-row, when 123matrix appear.(1/27), and when 123-123 hit, we lose 6in-row.
We have,
LLW
LLW
LLW,
when
121,122 ,hit.
LWL,
LWL, when
113,133 hit.
and
WLL
WLL, when
223,323hit.

Thus having more
eg.
123
312
231
have better math expectation hit.
and lose 9in-row
when the event repeat exactly...
How about
111
222
333
222
111 as your "event"?
We lose 9in-row,
when 111222333hit.

You are still doing the same thing you did a couple years back... I see no progress at all
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 28, 11:42 AM 2020
Thanks Raymanz for your view.
Couple years ago, I didnt
understand , there will never, a betselection, that produce "edge".
When we understand, a progression, must matched,
"math-expectation",
 viv-a-vis bet-selection.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 28, 10:05 PM 2020
we could also bet single dozen,
matrix3,
with marthy,
4,6,9
=19br.

win=8,lose=19.

winning matrix=19
losing matrix=8
except green .
If,
say,
we bet only dz1,
then,
19matrix have dz1.
8matrix have no dz1.


Permutations with repetition (n=3, r=3)
Using Items: A,B,C

List has 27 entries.
{A,A,A} {A,A,B} {A,A,C} {A,B,A} {A,B,B} {A,B,C} {A,C,A} {A,C,B} {A,C,C} {B,A,A} {B,A,B} {B,A,C} {B,B,A} {B,B,B} {B,B,C} {B,C,A} {B,C,B} {B,C,C} {C,A,A} {C,A,B} {C,A,C} {C,B,A} {C,B,B} {C,B,C} {C,C,A} {C,C,B} {C,C,C}







am I wrong somewhere?

Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 28, 10:13 PM 2020
thus,
bet only dz1.

win=8
lose=19
hit matrix=19
lose matrix=8

then hitrate
except green.
hit=19/27=70%
lose=8/27=30%
lose=30%=19unit
win=70%=8unit.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 28, 10:28 PM 2020
Thus, if we choose,
to bet, ONLY,after,
say,
only after dz1 hit, and bet the second, and third, matrix,
with marthy,4,6.


{A,A,A} {A,A,B} {A,A,C} {A,B,A} {A,B,B} {A,B,C} {A,C,A} {A,C,B} {A,C,C}

then we have win lose ratio of 5:4
win 8u for five matrix.
lose 10u for four matrix.
and the pesky green.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: SWEET on Apr 30, 09:40 AM 2020
when we bet, double dozen, with betselection, that go against matrix3, as event signature...

13Losses+26hits=39
26/39=66.66%
thus, betting, the next matrix wont repeat the event signature, prevent long losing  variance.
If, in case, one matrix repeating, then the losses, just three-losses in row.
Two matrix, repeating, back to back, highly unlikely...
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: bigmoney on Apr 29, 05:42 PM 2021
I bet,
everyone here, become mesmerised :love:, when reading this quote,

 "...you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it." Kimo Li.
unquote.

I ,also, like you, feel excited :-*, and start to imagine, me walk into casino, walk to a table, sit down, get the chips, study the previous bets,
play for tens of spins, and win! :twisted: And walk to next table, and win, and walk out! Ha!ha!ha! :xd: ;D :twisted:

Now, we dedicated this thread to discuss, ONLY this TOPIC,
 exchanging ideas, thought, dreams, etc.

(Please dont post all the STALE STATEMENT OF NEGATIVE , :question: :yawn: :ooh: We already understand the maths, chartered course of betting, even before you open your mouth! :yawn:

or start your own thread, of "IT'S impossible to win!"
 :yawn: :question: :ooh: :sad2:  ...
 if you insist to let people know you shallow knowledge! :yawn:  )


What he mean,..
quote,
 "...you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it." Kimo Li

What is EVENT?
Something that had happened.
Thus we look at the board, all that is an "event", and we can chart it...

let say, you sit down, and look at the board...

Spins
07
04
32
30
05
21
09
07

R
B
R
R
R
R
R
R

L
L
H
H
L
H
L
L

O
E
E
E
O
O
O
O

(or in dozens, lines, etc...)
now, how we going to bet with that?

I think, we could bet,
that the next 15 or 20
will NOT, or will, hit EXACTLY!

WHY?

What the purpose?

The main purpose,
is...

1) in next 15 to 20 ,
(or extended spins...or desired spins...)
the result, the hit rate, will always a winning hit rate vis-a-vis progression!

I regard this as most important, in betting!

What say you?
please chip in...
thanks?
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Ross on Apr 30, 06:39 AM 2021
The title of this topic is a quote from Kimo Li so it seems reasonable
to assume that the quote refers to his method of playing and not to
and of the ideas offered here.

KL uses a 6 x 6 matrix which gives 12 sets of 6 numbers and
requires 24 spins before betting.  The bet is then one each of
the horizontal and vertical sets - in each case one with the
fewest hits.

Since a 6-number set is likely to hit in 33 or so spins this
is a logical bet and in my few tests does indeed win very often.

In fact my tests show that the arrangement of numbers on
the matrix is not very important - it's the 24 spins and the
6-number sets that matter.

The above is my understanding of the KL method and is not
guaranteed to be correct.

Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: gianfrancopierino on Apr 30, 10:14 AM 2021
Hi Ross, where is this strategy explained by the creator?
Did anyone write it for roulette xtremme 2.0?
Tks
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Taotie on May 02, 05:58 AM 2021
The above is my understanding of the KL method and is not
guaranteed to be correct.

Hey Ross, at least you got that right.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: Ross on May 02, 06:31 AM 2021
Hey Ross, at least you got that right.

Hope you're not suggesting that I got everything else wrong.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: number25 on May 02, 06:31 AM 2021
If you take the time to learn or process the info Kimo Li has shared with the world.  You can beat the wheel. 

The matrix is great tool.  You take the wheel & table layout.  Put them together & you should hit GOLD!

It not eazy,  but once you figure it out. The patterns show up over & over.   discipline is also key.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: bigmoney on May 04, 06:35 PM 2021
wow soo many cryptic replies
no set of instructions
to verify  their explanations
so they arent accountable and no one  can verify
these posters( magicians )  hide behind smoke and mirrors ...the mystery of vaddis

i just call that reply a croc of shit
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: bigmoney on May 04, 06:36 PM 2021
that should read kimo li....not vaddis
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: bigmoney on May 04, 06:37 PM 2021
with the variance in roulette
there is NO HOLY GRAIL
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: number25 on May 05, 10:21 PM 2021
 Hi, bigmoney  how are you?   
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: number25 on May 08, 12:27 PM 2021
32   7   30   24   1   7
34   7   29   3   20   29
   20   23   11   1   16
22   1   14   6   25   33
1   24   34   24   28   35
6   13   29   1   9   4
31   36   27   26   10   12
4   31   18   14   1   13
16   13   17   14   11   13
2   18   23   22   16   2
4   4   33   10   30   

Here are todays spin my casino in 6 spin.  The last wining # was 30 this was a $10 bet on it.  Hope you can see how I got a win out of the wheel.  It is not eazy, But everything line up for that to happen.   No magic tricks just have to study the numbers.
Title: Re: Kimo Li's "..you can actually walk up to any table and start playing, Why?..."
Post by: number25 on May 08, 01:05 PM 2021
32   7   30   24   1   7
34   7   29   3   20   29
   20   23   11   1   16
22   1   14   6   25   33
1   24   34   24   28   35
6   13   29   1   9   4
31   36   27   26   10   12
4   31   18   14   1   13
16   13   17   14   11   13
2   18   23   22   16   2
4   4   33   10   30   

Here are todays spin my casino in 6 spin.  The last wining # was 30 this was a $10 bet on it.  Hope you can see how I got a win out of the wheel.  It is not eazy, But everything line up for that to happen.   No magic tricks just have to study the numbers.
  Also I was playing BowTie & The spin before 30 number 10, I missed out on that. I should of had $10 on that also.