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I bet,
everyone here, become mesmerised :love:, when reading this quote,

 "...you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it." Kimo Li.
unquote.

I ,also, like you, feel excited :-*, and start to imagine, me walk into casino, walk to a table, sit down, get the chips, study the previous bets,
play for tens of spins, and win! :twisted: And walk to next table, and win, and walk out! Ha!ha!ha! :xd: ;D :twisted:

Now, we dedicated this thread to discuss, ONLY this TOPIC,
 exchanging ideas, thought, dreams, etc.

(Please dont post all the STALE STATEMENT OF NEGATIVE , :question: :yawn: :ooh: We already understand the maths, chartered course of betting, even before you open your mouth! :yawn:

or start your own thread, of "IT'S impossible to win!"
 :yawn: :question: :ooh: :sad2:  ...
 if you insist to let people know you shallow knowledge! :yawn:  )


What he mean,..
quote,
 "...you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it." Kimo Li

What is EVENT?
Something that had happened.
Thus we look at the board, all that is an "event", and we can chart it...

let say, you sit down, and look at the board...

Spins
07
04
32
30
05
21
09
07

R
B
R
R
R
R
R
R

L
L
H
H
L
H
L
L

O
E
E
E
O
O
O
O

(or in dozens, lines, etc...)
now, how we going to bet with that?

I think, we could bet,
that the next 15 or 20
will NOT, or will, hit EXACTLY!

WHY?

What the purpose?

The main purpose,
is...

1) in next 15 to 20 ,
(or extended spins...or desired spins...)
the result, the hit rate, will always a winning hit rate vis-a-vis progression!

I regard this as most important, in betting!

What say you?
please chip in...
thanks?

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I bet,
everyone here, become mesmerised :love:, when reading this quote,

 "...you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it." Kimo Li.
unquote.

I ,also, like you, feel excited :-*, and start to imagine, me walk into casino, walk to a table, sit down, get the chips, study the previous bets,
play for tens of spins, and win! :twisted: And walk to next table, and win, and walk out! Ha!ha!ha! :xd: ;D :twisted:

Now, we dedicated this thread to discuss, ONLY this TOPIC,
 exchanging ideas, thought, dreams, etc.

(Please dont post all the STALE STATEMENT OF NEGATIVE , :question: :yawn: :ooh: We already understand the maths, chartered course of betting, even before you open your mouth! :yawn:

or start your own thread, of "IT'S impossible to win!"
 :yawn: :question: :ooh: :sad2:  ...
 if you insist to let people know you shallow knowledge! :yawn:  )


What he mean,..
quote,
 "...you can actually walk up to any table and start playing. Why? Because the events everyone seek is right before their eyes, but fail to see it." Kimo Li

What is EVENT?
Something that had happened.
Thus we look at the board, all that is an "event", and we can chart it...

let say, you sit down, and look at the board...

Spins
07
04
32
30
05
21
09
07

R
B
R
R
R
R
R
R

L
L
H
H
L
H
L
L

O
E
E
E
O
O
O
O

(or in dozens, lines, etc...)
now, how we going to bet with that?

I think, we could bet,
that the next 15 or 20
will NOT, or will, hit EXACTLY!

WHY?

What the purpose?

The main purpose,
is...

1) in next 15 to 20 ,
(or extended spins...or desired spins...)
the result, the hit rate, will always a winning hit rate vis-a-vis progression!

I regard this as most important, in betting!

What say you?
please chip in...
thanks?

You're right about that, but: in order to be safe that you win, you need a longer sequence. A longer sequence means more bets. More bets means a huge BR....
I'm not saying that it's not a good point. It is! But still, without a very good progression and MM......

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You're right about that, but: in order to be safe that you win, you need a longer sequence. A longer sequence means more bets. More bets means a huge BR....
I'm not saying that it's not a good point. It is! But still, without a very good progression and MM......

Steeefan2014,
Your's absolutely right!
Thats why, we need to rake our brain, to have a "survivable" mm&br, to sustain"expected" cut-losses, so that ,one or two sessions losses, could be offset, by few more winning seasons.

And better hit and run too...

We may need to research, say,

eg.
Need to bet 20 spins.

if flatbet, need 51%hit,

if labby, need 33.34% hit.

or, if, I wait for ,say,2 virtual losses, then less losses to bear,

or if, in matrix-two increment, after a first hit, then second spin, be "no-bet", or....so on.

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Steeefan2014,
Your's absolutely right!
Thats why, we need to rake our brain, to have a "survivable" mm&br, to sustain"expected" cut-losses, so that ,one or two sessions losses, could be offset, by few more winning seasons.

And better hit and run too...

We may need to research, say,

eg.
Need to bet 20 spins.

if flatbet, need 51%hit,

if labby, need 33.34% hit.

or, if, I wait for ,say,2 virtual losses, then less losses to bear,

or if, in matrix-two increment, after a first hit, then second spin, be "no-bet", or....so on.

I would say that labby works best in this case! And for a sequence of 10 numbers, I would go for a 500units BR. Just to be safe..IMO.

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I would say that labby works best in this case! And for a sequence of 10 numbers, I would go for a 500units BR. Just to be safe..IMO.

Steefan2014,

firstly, test the bet selection, for 10, 15, or 20 spins, increment.
Look for hit/lose ratios.

Labby, is one of the
acceptable progression.
Of ,say, 20spins, then 33.34%, we need at least 7hit/20 spins.

Modified labby and Hp. Johnson, can win with less than 33%,
but the losses be catastrophic!
Thus only suitable for short and cut losses bet....but that another topic.

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ExtremeVariance Avoidance In Progression!

only hanful understand this,
say, if in a box, there 9black&1red.
I take 1 ball out, cast aside, and take 1 out till no ball left...
Then how you bet with marthy to win TWO instead of only one?
Thats avoidance in progression, that could applied to any progression.

Now another progression... in
 matrix-two

arrange result in matrix2.

eg.
RBRBRB
RRRRRR
BBBBBB

RB...(1r 1b)
RB...(1r 1b)
RB...(1r 1b)
RR...(2r 0b)
RR...(2r 0b)
RR...(2r 0b)
BB...(0r 2b)
BB...(0r 2b)
BB...(0r 2b )

if win first , we do not bet, but wait out 2nd.

below, over simplified.
eg.
bet R only.

RB...(1r 1b) betR,nb
RB...(1r 1b)betR,nb
RB...(1r 1b)betR,nb
RR...(2r 0b)betR, nb
RR...(2r 0b)betR,nb
RR...(2r 0b)betR,nb
RR...(2r 0b)betR,nb
BB...(0r 2b)lose,lose
BB...(0r 2b)lose,lose
BB...(0r 2b )lose,lose

win=1,nb,=+1.

lose=1,win=2=+1
..stopbet.reset bet.

lose1,lose2=-3.
reset.

progression=1,2,1,2,12

and may progress too
2,4,2,4,2,4...

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Good, now try it without prgression. Flatbet is the winner, or light progression for a specific range, not more than 3-5 spins, than restart. Progressions like this only helps casinos to wipe out your bankroll faster.

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Teach us Sweet

No, I do not teach, just discuss.


Good, now try it without prgression. Flatbet is the winner, or light progression for a specific range, not more than 3-5 spins, than restart. Progressions like this only helps casinos to wipe out your bankroll faster.
Agreed with your view.
Aggressive progressions, very deadly.
Why 3 to 5spins, not 10,15, or 20 spins.

How mild is mild progression?
Please show how to bet?
Thanks in advance.

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study the previous bets

Thus we look at the board, all that is an "event", and we can chart it...

One problem... Oftentimes, the board doesn't reflect the previous spins. I often see the board not registering the results of the wheel. Maybe you can still use these results, though, since it does reflect previous results.

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American roulette spins


22.     B-E-H.      4 BLACKS
1.        R O L.      4 ODD
13.       B O L.     4. L.
2.         B E L.       bet B/L/O
25.       R O H.   
6.          B O L.   

30.       R/E/H.   4 REDS
20.       B E H.     4 EVEN
32.       R E H.     4 HIGH
21.       R O H.    BET R/E/H
11.       B O L. W
12.       R E L

21.     R O H.        5 EVEN
36.     R E H W.     3 R & 3 B TIE
6.        B E L.         3 HIGH
6.         B E L.    Bet E&H
20.       B E H
00.       R

20.      B E H. W
12.      R E L
8.        B E L
26.      B E H
24.      B E H
8.        B E L
 
Here is board charted.


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Thanks Swanson for your view.
Number25, you make long list, and see how it goes, for 10,15,20 increments, maybe we could see something.

now, back to some progression ideas.

if we bet
RRBBRRBRRBB ...
till profit(?)

this how we bet, same as previous ideas, only different presentation.

R...if ..hit
R...then no bet.
B. ..hit
B...nb
R...if lose
R...bet again..reset
B...lose
B...bet again..reset
R...lose
R...lose...stop bet, wait
B...virtual win
B..nb
R...lose,
R....v.win
B...resume bet, hit
B...nb
R...lose
R..hit
B...lose
B...hit

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I think, if we
 bet ,
rrbbrrbbrrbb
in matrix two increment.

22.     Br hit
1.        Rr nb
13.       Bb hit
2.         Bb nb
25.       Rr hit
6.          Br nb

30.       Rb hit
20.       Bb  nb
32.       Rr hit
21.       Rr nb
11.       Bb hit
12.       Rb nb

21.     Rr hit
36.     Rr nb
6.        Bb hit
6.         Bb  nb
20.       Br  lose
00.       r.    lose
......,.......STOP BET
20.      B b virtual.win
12.      Rb. nb
8.        Br. v.win
26.      Br. nb
24.      B b. hit
8.        B b nb
 maybe  just lucky....



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same numbers,let start with bbrrbbrr

22.     B- b hit
1.        Rb nb

13.       Br lose
2.         B r lose

25.       R  b stopbet
6.          B  b  vwin1

30.       Rr vwin2
20.       B r nb

32.       R b lose
21.       R b lose

11.       B r nb
12.       R r vwin1

21.     R  b Virtual.lose
36.     R b V.lose

6.        B  r vwin1
6.         B  r nb

20.       B b vwin2
00.       xb nb

20.      B r lose
12.      R r hit

8.        B b hit
26.      B b nb

24.      B r lose
8.        Br lose
 

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35.   B O. H
2.      B E.  L

30.    R. E. H
11.     B O.  L   bet B

8.       B E.  L.   W
3.       R O.  L.      Bet L

15.     B O L.  W
31.     B O H     BET B/O/L

29.     B O H.   no Low loss bet
23.     R O H.   B/ O / H

27.     R O H
29.      B O H.  WIN BET O/H

27.     R O H. W
26.     B E H.   BET H/O

10.     B E L
35.     B O H. W. BET B/H

31.    B O H. W
34.    R E H.  BET B/H

35.   B O H. W
8.     B E L.   BET B/H

15.  B O L.  LOSS THIS SET
14.  R E L

35.  B O H
36.  R E H. NO BET

26.  B E H.
29.  B O H  BETB/H

8.   B E L.  LOSS
32. R E H.   BET B E H

8.  B E L
20. B E H WINNER

We would of stopped when in profit,  But we did win most of the sets!