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RNG vs Real Wheel (RW)

Started by Turner, Apr 04, 04:57 PM 2013

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Joe

Quote from: The General on Sep 06, 12:57 PM 2018If you're planning on using data downloads from Roulette Extreme you should know that the data is also corrupt.  For example, the Wiesbaden  table one data is a mix of several different wheels over a period of time.  You won't have any way of knowing when the wheels were changed by just looking at the data.
Good point, but I don't use RX and got the spins from this site. There are 1 million spins and they are supposed to be from the same table. 

QuoteI may post a biased wheel number stream in segments on the forum for people to try and play, just so they can see how well their systems perform.
Great idea! Please do it.

Logic. It's always in the way.

Joe

Well I got the chi-square for all 1 million spins. Result? no difference really, certainly nothing significant statistically.  ^-^

There was one number in the real spins file which hit 27, 504 times (expectation is 27, 027 times). This is a standard deviation of nearly 3, but that's nothing to get excited about.

In my experience it seems that numbers on a real wheel can stay hotter or colder for longer, but that might be just my perception, I don't have any hard data to back up the theory, at least not yet.

Logic. It's always in the way.

nottophammer

Joe you've done your million spins and say no difference really.

So you're at the B+M, lets say 60 seconds a spin and you'll be there 2 hours, so 120 spins.

What did you learn from the 1 million spins to help you win in the 120 spins.

This is why you want to see what happens in 60 spins, not the million spins.

Good luck, your buddy general will show you the way


How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

nottophammer

Joe 185 real spins posted on here.



Joe the Trot of the 37, from spin 11



I'll skip the 1 million spins
How do you win at roulette, simple, make the right decision

The General

Joe,

When using live spin data make sure you keep spin directions segregated.
Also, I wasn't aware that there was any source of one million spins on this website.  Where did you find them?

Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

The General

Notto,

I'm not sure as to why you post examples of so few spins.  What's the purpose? 



Is it the trot?   ::)
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Joe

Quote from: The General on Sep 07, 01:07 PM 2018Joe, When using live spin data make sure you keep spin directions segregated. Also, I wasn't aware that there was any source of one million spins on this website.  Where did you find them?
I don't have the information regarding spin direction, just the spins. I got them from this thread :
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7339.0
There's a link to the original source further down the thread. So you're saying that just the spins themselves can't be distinguished from RNG, you need further information? This seems to contradict what you were saying earlier, unless I misunderstood. ;-)
Logic. It's always in the way.

Joe

Quote from: nottophammer on Sep 07, 12:48 PM 2018What did you learn from the 1 million spins to help you win in the 120 spins. This is why you want to see what happens in 60 spins, not the million spins.
notto, trying to find a difference between RNG and real spins in 60 spins or 185 spins is pointless. I'm interested in finding out whether there's a difference, whatever it takes. BTW, what is the "Trot"? I know what the trots is but I don't think that's what you mean. ;-)
Logic. It's always in the way.

The General

Quotedon't have the information regarding spin direction, just the spins. I got them from this thread :
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7339.0

Joe,

That data is a blend of spins from several wheels over an extended period of time.  It's the German wheel data, it's the same data that you will find in Roulette Extreme.  Unfortunately that data is going to be washed out.
I have spin data that I can share with you if you really want to see comparisons.  In the data file it will even show dates and dealers.  I already have the data posted in standard deviation charts, correlation calculations, chi square, etc. 

QuoteSo you're saying that just the spins themselves can't be distinguished from RNG, you need further information?
To what post are you referring??  In small samples of course not.  In large samples, yes I can tell a difference most of the time.

Are you in the US or the UK?
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Joe

Quote from: The General on Sep 07, 03:14 PM 2018I have spin data that I can share with you if you really want to see comparisons.
That would be cool, thanks. I'm in the UK.
Logic. It's always in the way.

maestro

QuoteWhen using live spin data make sure you keep spin directions segregated.


spin direction mkes no freaking impact  :thumbsup:
Law of the sixth...<when you play roulette there will always be a moron tells you that you will lose to the house edge>

The General

Quote from: maestro on Sep 08, 11:19 AM 2018

spin direction mkes no freaking impact  :thumbsup:

Oh really?  Have any data to back that up?
Basic probability and The General are your friend.
(Now hiring minions, apply within.)

Joe

So General, when are you going to upload the spin data?
Logic. It's always in the way.

maestro

QuoteOh really?  Have any data to back that up?

yep
Law of the sixth...<when you play roulette there will always be a moron tells you that you will lose to the house edge>

Joe

Quote from: The General on Sep 05, 02:50 PM 2018As the two data sets grow, the chi squares diverge from each other. On the live wheel after several thousand spins the chi could be well over a hundred or even a few hundred. On the RNG the chi may move up and down a little but it will usually remain below 50 or 60 on the high side.

Logic. It's always in the way.

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