Do we actually need long term winning methods to beat roulett?

[Turner]

all this becomes really ridiculous and reminds me about dark age times when big brains were arguing how many angels or devils can get a room on a needle point. "This is wrong and this is right".
There is no right or wrong, there are some people which manage to make money on roulette consistently and there are those who don't. So at the end of the day those who do --are right.
Those who don't are wrong. And especially those are wrong who accuse another side of some bad intentions with no basis of their accusations.

That's what for me is "right or wrong".

Many guys here forget what they are here for. They came here to find ways to defeat roulette, but instead they want to prove that they are "right". Or that they are smart, and the opponent is dumb. Or a lier, or something of a kind. and this is goin on for hours -- "proves", bold statements,
and virtual hitting one's own chest.

which team is right and which team is wrong here

The Haka - New Zealand Vs Tonga

Iggiv, but you also make generalised accusations about posters here and in your other texts. Like I keep saying to you...its fine telling everyone how they are wrong and dont know what they are doing and their ideas will fail so post up! tell us how to do it properly. Give us a masterclass in how to win at roulette.
Im all ears!

Fair enough...my ideas may be cra.p, but I do post them.

[Robeenhuut]

all this becomes really ridiculous and reminds me about dark age times when big brains were arguing how many angels or devils can get a room on a needle point. "This is wrong and this is right".
There is no right or wrong, there are some people which manage to make money on roulette consistently and there are those who don't. So at the end of the day those who do --are right.
Those who don't are wrong. And especially those are wrong who accuse another side of some bad intentions with no basis of their accusations.

That's what for me is "right or wrong".

Many guys here forget what they are here for. They came here to find ways to defeat roulette, but instead they want to prove that they are "right". Or that they are smart, and the opponent is dumb. Or a lier, or something of a kind. and this is goin on for hours -- "proves", bold statements,
and virtual hitting one's own chest.

which team is right and which team is wrong here

The Haka - New Zealand Vs Tonga

The only thing Iggiv that anybody can prove here is that he has an access to the internet  With an advancement in information technology its impossible to prove here that you have more knowledge or you are smarter than anybody. And its not the issue. You can beat roulette without it for some time but if you hope to continue it on a constant basis you better get your game plan right. We are just a competitive bunch of guys here - lets face it....gamblers. If you still are not sure what to do to be a successful player/gambler at least try to learn what not to do.  And this is what this forum should be about.

[iggiv]

Turner, i did not generalize any accusations. i am on friendly terms with anyone here who has a different opinion than me, but expresses it in normal nice friendly manner. The good example of it is Robeenhut or Drazencro. They criticized my ideas, but in a friendly manner. What can i generalize about them?

i am not gonna show any masterclass here. What for? to waste many hours or even days or weeks of my time, to make a big effort with no result or understanding and then end up as a scammer, lier and casino promoter? The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

i gave here some of my ideas and practical advices how to work with RX to analyze the game for example. No free lunch here. U gotta do lots of your own work to get any good results, and there is no guarantee at the end. And i am always ready to share my ideas with nice people individually.

[iggiv]

Rob, i do agree with some things u say, but if u r competitive, do it as JL. take challenge, show your success, and so on. I am not competitive here. I wanna keep peace here, that's all. And i try to keep fairness on top of the things. It is OK to say that one side is "right" like u say (though there is no practical values for us in those "rights" or "wrongs"), but it is extremely unfair to blame another side for something totally out of reality.

[Robeenhuut]

Rob, i do agree with some things u say, but if u r competitive, do it as JL. take challenge, show your success, and so on. I am not competitive here. I wanna keep peace here, that's all. And i try to keep fairness on top of the things. It is OK to say that one side is "right" like u say (though there is no practical values for us in those "rights" or "wrongs"), but it is extremely unfair to blame another side for something totally out of reality.

As i stated before im more of "what not to do" guy. If i had something really good to share i would share it but so far no permanent success story in my case.  Just sharing my views here and not trying to teach anybody here at any cost. Im just maybe too allergic to a lack of common sense 

[iggiv]

Rob u know my opinion. If i understand your views right, your idea that there should be somewhere
some perfect way of playing which can be proved successfully for lots of spins in a row. I dont believe in this. it does not exist. Unless some physical methods like VB or bias are involved, but we are not talking about it now.

if u concentrate on trying to beat a roulette from time to time u may get different results. That's my idea. I got lots of b/s for this idea, but i still did not give it up. That's it.

And i dont really care, is it called "the same consistent method", or "different methods". Does not make sense to me. if u can do it the same way -- fine, a few ways -- also good. What comes in the end is important.

[Turner]

Turner, i did not generalize any accusations. i am on friendly terms with anyone here who has a different opinion than me, but expresses it in normal nice friendly manner. The good example of it is Robeenhut or Drazencro. They criticized my ideas, but in a friendly manner. What can i generalize about them?

i am not gonna show any masterclass here. What for? to waste many hours or even days or weeks of my time, to make a big effort with no result or understanding and then end up as a scammer, lier and casino promoter? The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

i gave here some of my ideas and practical advices how to work with RX to analyze the game for example. No free lunch here. U gotta do lots of your own work to get any good results, and there is no guarantee at the end. And i am always ready to share my ideas with nice people individually.

Fair enough

I will carry on sharing my ideas publicly. In my view, thats what the forum is for.

I would be very happy if someone reported back that something I posted had won them a few quid.

Turner

[Robeenhuut]

Rob You know my opinion. If i understand your views right, your idea that there should be somewhere
some perfect way of playing which can be proved successfully for lots of spins in a row. I don't believe in this. it does not exist. Unless some physical methods like VB or bias are involved, but we are not talking about it now.

if u concentrate on trying to beat a roulette from time to time u may get different results. That's my idea. I got lots of b/s for this idea, but i still did not give it up. That's it.

And i don't really care, is it called "the same consistent method", or "different methods". Does not make sense to me. if You can do it the same way -- fine, a few ways -- also good. What comes in the end is important.

I guess u got me wrong on this. And if we know that in large number of spins all method fail how to win more than lose in sessions consisting of smaller number of spins its the main question.  The problem is that some think that they have an answer. And the other half thinks that its a wrong answer.

[iggiv]

Turner just get to win, all the rest does not matter. it is easy to share simple general concepts like
hit-n-run, check certain amount of spins back, use law of the third, bet on single numbers, not on dozens. Randomize your results.Check your statistics with RX skipping different amount of spins.  All this i shared with the public. That's simple. And mostly people showed no interest to explore further except demands like "show me more", "enlighten me", "show me masterclass".

but hard things which are hard to explain -- are hard to share. I guess some things u will have to get on your own, if  u don't, u just won't get them. all this is not just as simple. Many people just want easy method on their hands -- and that's a problem. But that's much more complicated.

i could spend days weeks and months trying to defend and explain my point of view and result would be mostly likely not just zero, but totally negative. It already happened here.

[iggiv]

Rob, as much as i remember u did not believe in hit-n-run before, but u rather believed that some guy somewhere plays roulette from 9 to 5 non-stop each day of the week and every day comes home with at least a few hundred dollars of profit.

that's what i remember

[Robeenhuut]

Rob, as much as i remember u did not believe in hit-n-run before, but u rather believed that some guy somewhere plays roulette from 9 to 5 non-stop each day of the week and every day comes home with at least a few hundred dollars of profit.

that's what i remember

Never HAR for me like you can see in my arguing with John. And i also now think that roulette can not be 9 to 5 job either. People change their views. I went from idealistic to i guess realistic 

[iggiv]

u say funny things. just like MOP used to. "No hit-n-run!" "Hit-n-run is the worst fallacy ever!". Then he tells how he played in casino. Just a few spins and get the hell out of there. He used hit-n-run tactics in real life but attacked this term online in the forum just for talk's sake.

U now recognized that it is dangerous and not smart to play many spins in a row, but alternative to it IS HIT-N-RUN.  There is no other alternative. Hit-n-run IS ABOUT SHORT SESSIONS. like  most smart players do.  but u still are afraid of the word. just like MOP.

all this just shows lack of understanding. Total confusion.  sorry.

i know u can reply with a lot of smart terms and define this and that, but essentially...it is like i said.
Confusion...

[ugly bob]

There is no other alternative. Hit-n-run IS ABOUT SHORT SESSIONS. like  most smart players do.

I agree iggiv. Nobody wants to lose the shirt of the back. Here is my 4 year results from dublin casino. I am still in the black and + in roulette because of hit and run.  Look at roulette 1. I just need another 50 cents to break the 100 euro mark. 


bob.

[Turner]

Turner just get to win, all the rest does not matter. it is easy to share simple general concepts like
hit-n-run, check certain amount of spins back, use law of the third, bet on single numbers, not on dozens. Randomize your results.Check your statistics with RX skipping different amount of spins.  All this i shared with the public. That's simple. And mostly people showed no interest to explore further except demands like "show me more", "enlighten me", "show me masterclass".

but hard things which are hard to explain -- are hard to share. I guess some things u will have to get on your own, if  u don't, u just won't get them. all this is not just as simple. Many people just want easy method on their hands -- and that's a problem. But that's much more complicated.

i could spend days weeks and months trying to defend and explain my point of view and result would be mostly likely not just zero, but totally negative. It already happened here.

OK then, Dont help anyone "friend at large"....whos cares?

[Robeenhuut]

u say funny things. just like MOP used to. "No hit-n-run!" "Hit-n-run is the worst fallacy ever!". Then he tells how he played in casino. Just a few spins and get the hell out of there. He used hit-n-run tactics in real life but attacked this term online in the forum just for talk's sake.

U now recognized that it is dangerous and not smart to play many spins in a row, but alternative to it IS HIT-N-RUN.  There is no other alternative. Hit-n-run IS ABOUT SHORT SESSIONS. like  most smart players do.  but u still are afraid of the word. just like MOP.

all this just shows lack of understanding. Total confusion.  sorry.

i know You can reply with a lot of smart terms and define this and that, but essentially...it is like i said.
Confusion...

Roulette is confusing and i think we got stuck on words in this discussion. And im tired of discussions lately. MOP and myself differed a lot but he displayed some common sense.  But his problem was a bad attitude and some people dont like a different point of view here.  Lets agree to disagree because essentially nobody can prove anything here.