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Do we actually need long term winning methods to beat roulett?

Started by Amazin, Nov 02, 02:12 PM 2012

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Amazin

So if all system fails in the long run, it means we will lose soon or later. If that's the case then we are wasting time here, so my question is, if we use 3or 4 methodes that wins most of the time, using a different method each time when lose in order to recover. Of course, have disapline and stop lose amounts. Does that mean we can beat roulette?

TwoCatSam

"3or 4 methodes that wins most of the time"

By "wins", do you mean wins more than it loses or just wins more times than it loses but at a loss.  (You can bet two dozens and your win rate is 66% but you lose money.)

So if you have 3 or 4 methods that win more than they lose, you're in the tall cotton.

Sam
If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go where dogs go.  ...Will Rogers

Skakus

It's an old idea and we've all done it I'm sure.

Most of the time things will work out, but there are times when you switch systems and lose when if you had stayed with the original method your winnings would have continued.

The most important thing is to get out with some profit, or a minimal loss. Don't hang around playing a bunch of different systems just for the sake of it.

You can't gang up on random and you don't want to make it angry because I heard from a good source that random's name is David Bruce Banner.
A ship moored in the harbour is safe, but that's not what ships are made for.

Amazin

QuoteBy "wins", do you mean wins more than it loses or just wins more times than it loses but at a loss.  (You can bet two dozens and your win rate is 66% but you lose money.)

thats a interesting statement. You see, I have a system that gives you 8:1 chance of winning and systems like code 4 can give 80:1 chance of winning. If you put them in a simulator and test it over 1m spins, I'm sure they both will fail. However, being a seasoned roulette player, we can use disicipline and instinct and MM and bunch of other tools to increase our chances to come out a long term winner.

e.g. Play code 4 and hit a double loss, lets say you lost 100 units. You switch system and try to win back the 100 unit you just lost with code 4. That should increase you chance should it? The reason I think that is because different systems will track differently and attack different part of the roulette game. .e.g. so will be based on dozens but some on even chances. 

speed

Do we actually need long term winning methods to beat roulett?

answer:  100% YES!

Proofreaders2000

...if we use 3or 4 methodes that wins most of the time, using a different method each time when lose in order to recover. Of course, have discipline and stop-loss amounts. Does that mean we can beat roulette?--Amazin

There's a good chance in my opinion of profit during the winning periods when a bettor first notices the downturn and stops immediately--or realizes the session is a loss and stops.

Johnlegend

Quote from: speed on Nov 02, 09:35 PM 2012
Do we actually need long term winning methods to beat roulett?

answer:  100% YES!
100% NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Speeds anwser is the reason the general concensus on this game remains that its unbeatable in the longrun using a method. So you have people thinking the only way to get this so-called edge over the game is to find a biased wheel. Or use VB or someother nonsense.

Ask yourself this question. Does a business have to make profit every month to come out of the financial year in profit? OF COURSE NOT. So why does a roulette method have to be any different?. ITS LONGTERM PROFIT we seek not overnight gratification. And the people who have little or no patience to realize this, show themselves very quickly on these forums. Speed being one of them (His username, a bit of a giveaway too). And several others, sitting on the sidelines with nothing but empty pessimistic remarks to offer. Those who know better go forward. 10 years from now the usual negative thinkers will still be making these same remarks and getting nowhere fast.

ginger

Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 03, 01:58 AM 2012
100% NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Speeds anwser is the reason the general concensus on this game remains that its unbeatable in the longrun using a method. So you have people thinking the only way to get this so-called edge over the game is to find a biased wheel. Or use VB or someother nonsense.

Ask yourself this question. Does a business have to make profit every month to come out of the financial year in profit? OF COURSE NOT. So why does a roulette method have to be any different?. ITS LONGTERM PROFIT we seek not overnight gratification. And the people who have little or no patience to realize this, show themselves very quickly on these forums. Speed being one of them (His username, a bit of a giveaway too). And several others, sitting on the sidelines with nothing but empty pessimistic remarks to offer. Those who know better go forward. 10 years from now the usual negative thinkers will still be making these same remarks and getting nowhere fast.


                        Sorry  JL,  I'm agree with SPEED .



  Cheers


John            Rotterdam


Robeenhuut

Speed is one of the few people here that makes some sense. If you want an answer to your question Amazin you need to start with the fact that every method fails usually latest by 1M mark in testing. Methods with  long progression can go on producing winning runs for a while - i have one that still holds very well after 150k spins and 3500 games. But if you accept a statistical odds of roulette and independence of each spin in principle (im not talking Marigny stuff or capitalizing on SD) each method played in the long run is expected to produce a total loss. Its like randomly taking samples from set of 1M spins and expecting different result than in 1M spins continuous play. Stop loss, win goal and BR are treated as a way to increase your odds but they only represent a breaking point in each session.
They are important as a control factor. Most players just fail to see a bigger picture and chase a perfect method. There is none found yet in 300 years but some will be willing to prove me wrong. ;D And a perfect method is not the one that wins every time but guarantees you to be in profit at any period of time. In my method i passed a relative large number of spins but im far from declaring
it the thing. Its just a lucky run.
Matt

speed

Quote from: Johnlegend on Nov 03, 01:58 AM 2012
100% NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Speeds anwser is the reason the general concensus on this game remains that its unbeatable in the longrun using a method. So you have people thinking the only way to get this so-called edge over the game is to find a biased wheel. Or use VB or someother nonsense.

Ask yourself this question. Does a business have to make profit every month to come out of the financial year in profit? OF COURSE NOT. So why does a roulette method have to be any different?. ITS LONGTERM PROFIT we seek not overnight gratification. And the people who have little or no patience to realize this, show themselves very quickly on these forums. Speed being one of them (His username, a bit of a giveaway too). And several others, sitting on the sidelines with nothing but empty pessimistic remarks to offer. Those who know better go forward. 10 years from now the usual negative thinkers will still be making these same remarks and getting nowhere fast.

I do not intend to attack anyone, but this can only write casino promoter  :-\

iggiv


Speed,
Do u intend to attack or u don't, u still do attack. As before. And i have to warn u again against labeling your  opponents like that. Remember that your "comrade-in-arms" was banned from here  for such remarks.

Everybody has right to express his or her opinion without being labeled like that. Unless there is real prove of this.

John has never promoted any casino here. And 2nd thing --John unlike most of the guys here
really proved he is capable to win (much more than he lost)   for substantial periods of time.

speed

OMG u again !?

Yes everybody has right to express his or her opinion, and my option is that this forum was occupied by casino promoters.
How else call this people who only "can" beat roulette with their systems and nobody except them can't do that with same rules.
I see every 10 days he post system  with new rules, when people see that last one is losing.

I repeat JL is casino promoter or just one man who needs an audience.


speed

Steve

Speed is 100% correct.

If 10000 players all played short term system that won most of the time still means overall combined they have lost. Anyone who thinks a winning system only needs to win shortterm has little experience or knowledge
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speed

Quote from: Steve on Nov 03, 06:22 PM 2012
Speed is 100% correct.

If 10000 players all played short term system that won most of the time still means overall combined they have lost. Anyone who thinks a winning system only needs to win shortterm has little experience or knowledge

a very good example that explain all.  :)

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