Smart live air ball rigged ?

[Kingspin]

I have been playing at smart live on the low stakes air ball for over 2 years now , the thing is i have come to a conclusion some how the thing is rigged.  The ball often seems to bounce out of what would have been a  winning pocket.  The ball often land next to the betted pocket or simply no matter how many numbers you bet on it always misses. I have has some suspician for a while now
but i can't understand how such a machine could be manipulated this way.  I don't know but i am quitting playing the air ball there as i do honestly believe some thing underhand is going on.
Any thoughts on the matter that the air ball is rigged.
I think they could perhaps blow a little extra air into a betted pocket just enough to stop a ball landing there.  Let me know if you think they cheat on the air ball.. Thanks for viewing- Kingspin
Ohh just one other thing does this smart live actually pay out to big winners or don't they like
paying big winners. Usually the cheaters don't pay big wins!

[Turner]

Why would they rig the wheel for your low stakes when thousands are playing it

[Kingspin]

So they can make more money

[Turner]

So they can make more money

is it a real casino...you are sat at it on your own?...or online shared with thousands

[Kingspin]

Online , don't be fooled the air ball is rigged to the depths off hell , cheating gits.
There is something weird going off with their air ball , it's manipulated to make us loose.

[ausguy]

Kingspin - As far as I'm aware airball roulette is in the same class of game as RNG video roulette, slots/poker machines, card games, dice etc. As such they are classed as Electronic Gaming Machines (EGMs) by the Gaming Authorities, not real live dealer spun random wheels. Seems to be pretty much this standard in many parts of the world. Many UK casinos use Malta & Gibralta as their accounting base. No doubt this gives them a better tax deal.

EGMs only have to comply with payout percentages back to the player via an independent audit. This might be done every month for example ? However they do it they don't have to account for spikes in wins or losses. Statisics work better with large number samples. They "milk" the player & the game never fails the audit because of the program format they run.

The airball roulette wheels do NOT have to comply with free random spinning like live dealer wheels.
In other words it is legal for them to "cheat" with variable control of the wheel speed & air jet holes and ball speed readers in/over the ball track. If you go to the Cammergh UK wheel makers site they had descriptions of their "cheating" technology. I don't know what brand wheel Smart Live (SL) has? but there are many ways to get the results they want. Another way could be to have an image bank of all 74 spins, 37 left & 37 right. From that bank they could display any number needed? The image you see always has the ball & wheel stopped just prior to each spin. With Nano second processing speed the eye can't detect high speed image changes.

Nowhere on any of these EGMs do you see a notice stating the the results are manipulated and the numbers/symbols are not true random. In fact they deceive by having you believe that you are playing a real deal wheel ?

Because of the above I'll only play Live dealer. Smart Live dealer wheel. Minimum is a lot higher than the air wheel. The 1 min. bet window is good if betting on a lot of positions. Party Casino live dealer is ok too if a shorter bet window suits your bets & a 2GBP min.
The spin rate is double SLs rate

You don't explain what you mean by "big winners" ? In May this year I won 3,200 GBP on SL.
I've won at SL lesser amounts in the hundreds in the past 1 1/2 years. I've always been paid although they are a little slow to pay up, about 1 week or so.  To get paid your ID & account must fully comply otherwise they'll delay your payout until you do. 2 weeks ago I won over 800 GBP With Party Casino they paid out ok too but a weeks delay. I live in Australia and operate via Visa Debit linked to my bank account.

If you read the terms & cond.(T & C) plus where these casinos are registered you'll get to understand how they really function. Like SL does all the production, TV, NET from studios in London.The admin.?
Party Casino gets the spins feed from a Latvian studio, my payout was made from Gibralta and the say they are part of the Bwin Group, UK origin I believe? One big no no is to avoid the bonuses, too many hoops to jump through & usually a lot of restricted bet numbers that further increase the casino % odds = they win & you lose.

So King after 2 years you're realising how futile your betting on SL air roulette is ? I realised it after a few months early last year & haven't played RNG or air ball since.

Even though a player can be attracted to the low limits of that SL game if you add up your losses over time you'll realise that it's really a false economy? I was doing that but changed my thinking and went for a larger bankroll. I stopped betting for nearly 6 months and saved over 1,500AUD for a 1,000GBP BR. So far I'm well ahead. One good thing with SL is that you can log in to the live dealer feed & play with fun chips. This lets you test any idea & compare the fairness of Air vs Live.

Forum BR & Money Management may be worth some study. I, as many others have said they found that a larger BR led to more correct bet placements i.e. not afraid to push the bigger bets out.

Without change nothing will change. 

[ugly bob]

@kingspin

Try the supercasino airball! They let you bet for about 10-15 seconds after the ball is released.
I have had a few 1k wins on that wheel and I don't think it's fixed.

[Turner]

Online , don't be fooled the air ball is rigged to the depths off hell , cheating gits.
There is something weird going off with their air ball , it's manipulated to make us lose.

But there are thousands playing the same wheel. How could they rig it so you and everyone lose.

[ugly bob]

But there are thousands playing the same wheel. How could they rig it so you and everyone lose.

@Turner

I don't know where you get the idea that there are thousands playing on that wheel.
I used to play there regularly and there are a lot of times when there would only be a dozen or so players on that airball machine. You could see all the players and the bets that were made. It also told you the total sum of bets placed and the total payout.

[Turner]

@Turner

I don't know where you get the idea that there are thousands playing on that wheel.
I used to play there regularly and there are a lot of times when there would only be a dozen or so players on that airball machine. You could see all the players and the bets that were made. It also told you the total sum of bets placed and the total payout.

but if there were hundreds would you see them all?

[Kingspin]

I think ausguy is absolutely spot on with what he says, i am sure the wheel is not live but just a recorded image , like he says the video editing is flawless so it looks like one continous scene is displayed when infact these are just recordings.  I am one hundred percent sure the smart live small stakes wheel is not live but is recorded.
There is no way to see what other players are " at the table" now as this function does not work on the smart live display on my screen.  I have quit playing it now as they are stopping me winning past a certain limit.  Stay away from smart live air wheel.

[ugly bob]

There is no way to see what other players are " at the table" now as this function does not work on the smart live display on my screen. 

They stopped that about 6 months ago. I mailed them and they said that they were having problems with it. Funnily enough the live dealer wheel still displayed everything fine at the time.
I thought that was rather suspicious and they have obviously not bothered to correct it.
You are right to leave them alone Kingspin. They are not the most transparent casino in several areas and deserve to be swerved.

[ausguy]

Ug Bob - Are you still winning lately at Supercasino ?

[ugly bob]

Ug Bob - Are you still winning lately at Supercasino ?

I don't play much online anymore ausguy! There is a casino only 20 minutes from me and I prefer to go there. Some of the waitresses are cute. 

[ausguy]

Smart Live has a linked casino called Guru Casino. They use the same live dealer SL feed with higher upper limits. eg 1 : 1 bets are 1,500 vs 1,000 for SL.

Guru customer support claimed they were 100% indepedent of SL but when I tried to use the same IDs to set up a new account they  failed. I modified the spelling & it went through at that.

As with all casinos roulette is not the main money spinner Slots/Poker machines are. Most promos involve slots, SL is pumping emails all the time.

SL dealer (actually they call them presenters) I see has the spins on some Sky channel in the UK & part of Europe too. They have telephone betting linked in with that.

My SL PC graphics is average at best. Has anybody seen the TV feed and if the graphics are good?
Even the live feed ball drop at times seems to defy the laws of physics? It would be interesting to get some Hi Res. graphics & slow it down to view. Ditto air ball.

The other promo. I often wonder about is their page that has a rolling display stating that such & such roulette player has won 94k or 104k or 78k & so on ? At the lower end they'll also show single digit wins.  What these stated wins don't show is how much is a players net win is after all his/her losses? Some "wins" could also be some made up SL virtual players as bait for gullible players ?

I remember testing on free play a long time back & they were running my wins in with the real play wins display. That seems to have stopped for some time now.

I'm with you Bob, live B & M casino is best. Cute yes & I've never seen any male waiters for the ladies either?