Story Time

[GLC]

As many of you know, a couple of years ago my daughter had open heart surgery to repair a badly damaged mitrol valve.  Things didn't go so well at first, but some complications got dealt with pretty quickly and she recovered nicely and is doing great today.

Either my wife or myself stayed with our daughter at the hospital for 7 days while she recovered enough to be sent home.  Her main nurse was a young man named Michael.  At first we were skeptical about a male nurse because Grace wasn't very comfortable around males.  But Michael turned out to be one of the most caring, competent medical workers I've ever known.

We spent a fair amount of time discussing and sharing each others lives and I mentioned that I was a member of this forum.  He immediately lit up and wanted to know how we were approaching the task of developing systems to beat the wheel.  He said that he had never played roulette, but was an avid trader in stocks.  He indicated that he was going to explore the game in his spare time and that was the end of it.

Until yesterday, when I met his at a local Whataburger store.  I didn't recognize him, but he spotted me and came over and asked if he could sit and talk a little while we ate.  I was glad for his company and agreed.  We immediately began talking about roulette.

He said that he was applying a method in trading to roulette and was having pretty good success with it.  It's actually very simple and is based on a certain trading model that he adapted to the movements of the even chances.  It's a flatbet system, so seems pretty safe to me although I admit that I haven't tested it yet.

It's based on a certain pattern. 

I will explain it using Red and Black.

R R R B R R R 

R R R B B R R R

The Red Rs are where we bet. 

If we win the bet on the 1st R, we bet for the 2nd R.

If we lose the first R, we don't bet for the 2nd R.

There are plenty of betting opportunities because we can play all 6 of the even chance locations.

It's based on trends, of course.  The idea is that if a trend is moving in a direction and it reverses but not as far as the beginning of the initial direction and then it reverses again, it will continue in that direction which is the same direction as the original.

In my examples I used a beginning trigger of 3 of a kind.  This can be 4 of a kind, 5 of a kind etc...  All that is necessary if that when it reverses, the reversal must not be as many as the initial trigger.  After the 2nd reversal, we start betting for it to continue in the same direction as the initial trigger was going.

Examples:   R R R R R B B B R  this is a valid betting opportunity.  We should bet for the R's to continue.  We had 5 R's setting the initial trigger, then a reversal of 3 B's (this could have been as many as 4 B's) and finally another reversal with the R triggering the trend to continue according to the initial trigger.

B B B B R R R R B this isn't a trigger because the 4 R's equaled the 4 B's.  If it continued like this: B B B B R R R R B B B R  now we have a bet trigger because we have R R R R B B B R.

Does this work?  Evidentally it can work.  At least for him.  No doubt there's luck involved.

If you don't have a little luck, you can't win with any system.

Test it before you risk any real money.  Since it's a flatbet system, it shouldn't take much of a buy-in to give you a reasonable shot at winning.

GLC

[TwoCatSam]

GLC

Much like the Boffins Bet.  I like it.

Thanks

Sam

[Chrisbis]

Nicely posted George. 

[marivo]

So after trigger we bet only twice? (or once, if first bet lose)

[Chrisbis]

Looks like:-
Established trigger then bet.......

If win bet again.
(maximum 2bets per trigger)

If lose stop and retrack for next trigger.
No progression....just flat bet.
(my interpretation of it)

[TwoCatSam]

If we win the bet on the 1st R, we bet for the 2nd R.


Yes, George, do we let it ride or bet the same amount twice?

Sam

[daniellee]

Thanks George !
Your posted is always worthy to try 
Best wishes for your daughter !

[GLC]

If we win the bet on the 1st R, we bet for the 2nd R.


Yes, George, do we let it ride or bet the same amount twice?

Sam

No let-it-ride.  Always bet the same amount.

[GLC]

Looks like:-
Established trigger then bet.......

If win bet again.
(maximum 2bets per trigger)

If lose stop and retrack for next trigger.
No progression....just flat bet.
(my interpretation of it)

Exactly!

Also, what I posted is about all I know.  If we feel that we can improve it, that's up to us.  It's not my system, just passing on what he told me.  He's not any more knowledgeable about roulette than we are.  He thinks he's hot stuff because he's betting $20 units.

GLC

[marivo]

Aren't your 2 last replays contradictory? (Check Chrisbis replay again!)

[GLC]

Aren't your 2 last replays contradictory? (Check Chrisbis replay again!)

The purpose of the 2nd bet is to catch 2 wins.

We have to remember that this system is based on buying stocks.  So when the stock heads up and then reverses and then reverses again we're expecting the stock to continue upwards long enough to get some wins.  That's why the double bet if the 1st one is a win.

There's nothing saying that we can't change this logic.  We can bet the 1st bet and if it wins, that ends our betting until another trigger.

If the 1st bet loses, then we can try again in case there was a little chatter in the change of direction.

This is a little like the interrupt idea we talked about on one of Catalyst's topics.  Where we're betting for a trend to continue and if there's an interrupt spin, we ignore it and continue to bet for a continuation as if the interrupt hadn't happened.

Like I said, we can tweak this however makes the most sense to us.  Or we can say that it's based on total VooDoo and if it works at all, it's in spite of and not because of the reasons for the development of the system.


I'm just the messenger.  Don't kill the messenger.
I'm posting this, not endorsing this.  Although Michael seems like a pretty level-headed guy.


GLC

[mattymattz]

I think your friend is failing to realise that trends happen in the stock market for a reason. This reason doesnt exist in roulette.

MM

[TwoCatSam]

............and if things keep on they way they're keepin' on, look for markets to tank big time.

Lord, I hope I'm wrong!!

[marivo]

The purpose of the 2nd bet is to catch 2 wins.

Sorry, I missunderstood TCS question about let-it-ride, so your previous replays weren't contradictory as I first thought. Thanks for more explanation!

[GLC]

I think your friend is failing to realise that trends happen in the stock market for a reason. This reason doesn't exist in roulette.

MM

Matty,  I asked him that exact question and he said that he had observed that even in roulette, when a trend starts, then has a reversal, and then resumes the original trend, it often continues for up to 3 spins.  So, if you have a streak of 4 Reds and then 2 or 3 blacks and then another Red, you can expect at least 1 more Red and usually 2 more Reds.   If you get 2 more Reds, that's 3 Reds and it could be the beginning of another trigger.

We have to be on our toes because if we get RRRRBBBRB; This is another trigger to bet B.

I know this is getting a little complicated and it might not have to be but I've tested this a couple of times using my flat bet parlay.  I only bet 1 time for each trigger.  I always start out with 1 unit and if I win I let-it-ride on the next trigger.  It does seem to get plenty of streaks of wins to recover previous losses without digging to deep in the hole.  I've only scratched the surface testing this, so it really means nothing at this stage of the game.

It's pretty difficult to test this, so a definite verdict on it's profitability is probably not in the offing.  You'll probably have to decide for yourself if you want to risk playing this system for money.  I'd start small and if you do win, you can increase bet sizes to match your confidence in the system.

GLC