1 EC + 1 Line (or 1 EC and 2 Lines)

[Chrisbis]

Just thought I would open up a thread dedicated to this very interesting method as brought to forum(s)
by Atlantis and others!

I wish to start by seeing if we could carry on the discussion about how to share the load out, when the progression gets out-of-kilter, deeper in the recovery game.
(game meaning mini session, with lower targets)

I am, and always have been, interested in using con-joined twin 'Lines', to chase up the bonus spot, which exists between the joined lines bet.

If your uncertain as to what I am referring to, let me show U in a felt/table layout,
showing twin Lines (side by side).
Below, is a bet shown on Line 4, and Line 3/4
(called "Three-Four", since it lies between the two Lines 3 and 4)

Then, if anyone joins in, we can expand on this idea, and see if we can produce plenty of scope
for a variety of progressions, and method play for the EC/Line bet, 

[atlantis]

The idea to virtually track 3 results first and see which side (for or against) has most wins....

FOR
===
RE/BO.......High + Line 3
and
RO/BE.......Low + Line 4

OR

AGAINST
======
RO/BE.......High + Line 3
and
RE/BO.......Low + Line 4

Start recording 3 results virtual  - note both sides

                FOR WHEEL             AGAINST WHEEL
               ========             ==========
23RO
17BO             EC win                       Line win
22BE             EC win                       Line win
11BO             EC win                       Double Loss

START WITH: FOR WHEEL COMBO -  now bet 1High and 0.5Line3

20BE             EC win     +0.5      now bet 1L and 0.5Line4      +0.5
16RE             EC win     +0.5      now bet 1H and 0.5Line3      +1.0
9RO              Both lost   -1.5      now bet 2H and 0.5Line4      -0.5
28BE             EC win    +1.5      now bet 2L and 0.5Line4      +1.0
16RE             EC win    +1.5      now bet 2H and 0.5Line3      +2.5
20BE             EC win    +1.5      now bet 1L and 0.5Line4       +4.0*** TARGET (no switches required)

These were real numbers just now from live autowheel.

Do you think start virtual tracking again after target win or continue betting FOR wheel combo if playing 2nd game immediately after??

A.

[Serendipity]

I say we must continue betting following the wheel, but of course we can always compare the results as if we have changed to Against the wheel or even the 3rd side of the story (EC - H/L - opposite last number spun + Line - with the number included).

Adrian

[Chrisbis]

Looks awesome Atlantis.

I am liking Ur ranking system here. 

[Chrisbis]

Following on from what Nickmsi has just said on the sister topic, (Link), I'd like to expand on that,
and show U some of the placement ideas I had, with regard to how we could split
the Lines bet up into two, if It escalated to heady heights.

As Nick alluded to, U just feel sometimes, that U should have had the Line bet in a different place!
(An "If only moment!")

So, when things have progressed, we could share the resource (our money afterall),
out and about.
Therefore, even though previously we were using the EC bet to return a half unit ROI,
we could now tailor the EC bet, to just return Evens (or "Push" as Sam calls it (nonsense phrase!!)),
and tease the Line Recovery bank up a little, and possibly Split the Lines bet.
This can be going deeper into enemy territory (If betting Low, we Punch the Lines bet further towards the High section), or, Pull the Lines bet nearer towards our Low haven, and sweep up gracefully! LoL

[Chrisbis]

Interesting clues can also be included in this bet, if we all consider the FULL implications,
of this post in the sister station.
link:://betselection.cc/general-discussion/ec-line-and-quad-cycle

Its a read I have yet to do.

[Chrisbis]

From Nickmsi yesterday

Or try betting Line 4 with H or Line 3 with L when you have 3-4 consecutive Line Losses

Been thinking what later day progression triggers, we could enhance to give this condition, and maybe the idea I mentioned earlier, in that we divide the EC into a cover Evens bet, and distribute the rest in a twin Lines bet, looking for that sweet spot.
I know we have to calculate and watch out for the ROI value, but it IS/COULD BE and option.
Need to work out the progression list now.

[atlantis]

My second live game:

Pattern 1
========
RO/BE = Low + Line 4
RE/BO = High + Line 3

OR

Pattern 2
=======
RO/BE = High + Line 3
RE/BO = Low + Line 4

Begin by tracking virtual first 3 results...

                    Pattern 1             Pattern2
                    =======             =======
11BO           
28BE             EC won             Double Loss             
13BO             Line won           EC won
2BE               Double loss        EC won

Start with Pattern 1: Bet 1L + 0.5Line4

30RE    -1.5      Double Loss    Bet 2H + 0.5Line3       -1.5         
24BE    +1.5     Line win          Bet 2L + 0.5Line4       +0
20BE    +0.5     Line win          Bet 2L + 0.5Line4       +0.5
1RO     +1.5      EC win           Bet 2L + 0.5Line4       +2.0
11BO   +1.5      EC win           Bet 1H + 0.5Line3       +3.5*** Target (no switches required)

A.

[Serendipity]

If you continued after the first 3 results with Pattern 2 instead of 1... results would be:

Begin by tracking virtual first 3 results...

                    Pattern 1             Pattern2
                    =======             =======
11BO           
28BE             EC won             Double Loss             
13BO             Line won           EC won
2BE               Ec won              Double Loss

Start with Pattern 1: Bet 1L + 0.5Line4                                Pattern2: Bet 1H + 0.5Line3

30RE    -1.5      Double Loss    Bet 2H + 0.5Line3     -1.5      +0.5 Line win   +0.5         1L+0.5Line4
24BE    +1.5     EC win            Bet 2L + 0.5Line4     +0.5     +0.5   Line win   +1          1H+0.5Line3
20BE    +0.5     Line win          Bet 2L + 0.5Line4      +0.5     +0.5   Line win   +1.5       1H+0.5Line3
1RO     +1.5      EC win           Bet 2L + 0.5Line4       +2.0     -1.5   Double Loss   0       2H+0.5Line3
11BO   +1.5      EC win           Bet 1H + 0.5Line3       +3.5     -2.5   Double Loss   -2.5    2H+1Line3

-2.5u loss without the chance to 'switch'

[atlantis]

If you continued after the first 3 results with Pattern 2 instead of 1... results would be:

Begin by tracking virtual first 3 results...

                    Pattern 1             Pattern2
                    =======             =======
11BO           
28BE             EC won             Double Loss             
13BO             Line won           EC won
2BE               Ec won              Double Loss

Start with Pattern 1: Bet 1L + 0.5Line4                                Pattern2: Bet 1H + 0.5Line3

30RE    -1.5      Double Loss    Bet 2H + 0.5Line3     -1.5      +0.5 Line win   +0.5         1L+0.5Line4
24BE    +1.5     EC win            Bet 2L + 0.5Line4     +0.5     +0.5   Line win   +1          1H+0.5Line3
20BE    +0.5     Line win          Bet 2L + 0.5Line4      +0.5     +0.5   Line win   +1.5       1H+0.5Line3
1RO     +1.5      EC win           Bet 2L + 0.5Line4       +2.0     -1.5   Double Loss   0       2H+0.5Line3
11BO   +1.5      EC win           Bet 1H + 0.5Line3       +3.5     -2.5   Double Loss   -2.5    2H+1Line3

-2.5u loss without the chance to 'switch'

Hi Adrian,
Yes. So looks like I started with the right one and would now continue next game with that side (Pattern1)
Anyone betting Pattern2 would also now SWITCH over to Pattern1 because of the latest 2 consecutive double-losses on that side...

A.

[Serendipity]

Hi Adrian,
Yes. So looks like I started with the right one and would now continue next game with that side (Pattern1)
Anyone betting Pattern2 would also now SWITCH over to Pattern1 because of the latest 2 consecutive double-losses on that side...

A.

yes, sure thing. Hopefully after switching they will recover... the trend lasts for a long time as far as I've noticed.

Adrian.

[Chrisbis]

Would be nice if Nickmsi could knock up a Excel tracker with these two rules contained,
and a "Next Bet" suggestion
output when he gets back from his hols!

I had these early game numbers, this morning, that shows its
difficult to choose which way to travel when U get a run of same Sex Groupings!

[atlantis]

This one shows a recovery after a SWITCH caused by 2 consecutive double-losses...

Pattern 1
=======
RO/BE = Low + Line 4
RE/BO = High + Line 3
Pattern 2
=======
RO/BE = High + Line3
RE/BO = Low and Line 4

              Pattern1                      Pattern 2
             ======                     ======
30re
4be        double loss                   ec win 
6be        ec win                         double loss
4be        ec win                         double loss

            follow pattern 1: 1L + 0.5 Line 4

7ro        ec win   +0.5           play 1L + 0.5 Line 4          +0.5
35bo      double loss -1.5      play 2H + 0.5 Line3          -1.0
22be     ec win +1.5              play 2L + 0.5 Line 4          +0.5
25ro     double loss -2.5       play 3H + 1 Line 3            -2.0 ***increase line to 1 so as to ensure profit on line win
6be       double loss -4         play 4H + 2 Line 3            -6.0 *** twin double-loss so SWITCH to pattern 2
24be     ec win +2                 play 4H + 2 Line 3           -4.0
18re      line win  +6              play 4L + 2 Line 4           +2.0
9ro       ec win  +2                play 1H + 0.5 Line3         +4.0*** target achieved


A.               

[Serendipity]

@ chrisbis: my opinion is that you best wait for another 3 spins before you decide which way you travel if you have a tie.
@ atlantis: nice job, seems to work that way. congrats. An Excel tracker would be awesome.

keep up the good work.

Adrian.

[atlantis]

Would be nice if Nickmsi could knock up a Excel tracker with these two rules contained,
and a "Next Bet" suggestion
output when he gets back from his hols!

I had these early game numbers, this morning, that shows its
difficult to choose which way to travel when U get a run of same Sex Groupings!

Chrisbis, I played with your Marquee numbers (bottom to top)

Pattern 1
=======
RO/BE = Low + Line4
RE/BO = High + Line3
Pattern 2
=======
RO/BE = High + Line3
RE/BO = Low and Line4

              Pattern1                           Pattern 2
              =======                           =======
12re
20be        ec win                               line win
22be        ec win                               line win
32re         ec win                               ec win   
34re         ec win                              double loss

Pattern 1 leads 4/3
start with pattern 1: 1H + 0.5Line 3


14re    +1.5  line win         bet 1H + 0.5Line3          +1.5
12re    -1.5  double loss    bet 2H + 0.5Line3          +0
23ro   +1.5  ec win            bet 2L + 0.5Line4          +1.5
7ro     +1.5  ec win            bet 1L + 0.5Line4          +3*** target
===============================================
3ro    +0.5   ec win            bet 1L + 0.5Line4         +0.5
28be  -1.5   double loss     bet 2L + 0.5Line4        -1.0
9ro    +1.5   ec win            bet 2L + 0.5Line4         +0.5
30re   -2.5  double loss     bet 3H + 1Line3            -2.0 ** increase line to 1 to ensure profit if line win
33bo  +2  ec win               bet 3H + 1Line3            +0
20be  +2  ec win               bet 3L + 1Line4             +2
4be    +2  ec win               bet 1L + 0.5Line4          +4***target
===============================================
35bo  -1.5 double loss      bet 2H + 0.5Line3          -1.5
36re   +1.5  ec win            bet 2H + 0.5Line3          +0
23ro   +1.5  ec win            bet 2L + 0.5Line3          +1.5
8be    +1.5  ec win            bet 1L + 0.5Line3          +3***target
================================================
6be   +0.5  ec win             bet 1L + 0.5Line3         +0.5


A.