@ GLC

[ego]

using three as clustering pattern.

Play with win goal and stop-loss ...
Negative expectation is six loses in a row, same as having one dice with four sides repeating it self four times in a row ...

But first repeat of four possibilities determine witch side we play against and as long there is not repeat we just having winnings flat betting.

Short sample from todays random org file ...

O = OPPISITE
S = SAME

1
1
2
2 O
2 L
2 W   LW
2 S
2 L
1 W   LWLW
2 S
1 W   LWLWW
1 S
1 W   LWLWWW
2 O
2 L
1 W   LWLWWWLW
1 O
2 W   LWLWWWLWW
1 S
1 L
1 W   LWLWWWLWWLW
1 S
2 W   LWLWWWLWWLWW
2 O
1 W   LWLWWWLWWLWWW
2 S
1 W   LWLWWWLWWLWWWW
1 S
1 W   LWLWWWLWWLWWWWW
1 S
2 W   LWLWWWLWWLWWWWWW
2 O
2 L
1 L   LWLWWWLWWLWWWWWWLL
2 S
1 W   LWLWWWLWWLWWWWWWLLW
2 O
2 W   LWLWWWLWWLWWWWWWLLWW
1
1
2
1
2

And they say all selection is same.
Well i have one outcome that i match with the first outcome of my previous three.
If same then the same pattern is due to happen as the first trail show indication of that, it has already begun.
Then i have a better chance betting for present change as i have 3 against 1.
Same if the trail match opposite, then the opposite pattern begun to match, so i play same with 3 to 1, putting my money on present change.
And with each bet i reduce the variance with one bet less and only play twice with my clever trigger.
And as if there is a repeat we have saved two bets and only have six left for one full cycle with one side repeating four times, that would equal eight bets, but with my trigger its reduced to six.


XXX
OXX
XXO
XOX

[ego]

Should also say thanks to Priyanka who come up with a simple tweak ...
Back track the previous three on a rolling basis and that speed up the game.

And not list them using the principal of 1/3.

RBB
BRR
RRR
RRB
BBR

[Colbster]

I'm not sure I understood 100% but I thought I would give this a whirl for fun.  I have won my first 10 bets straight 

Thinking a grand marti 1-3-7 is just the trick here - nice idea!

[Colbster]

Busted it twice at the third level fairly quickly after that, although I still ended up 4 units.  I was playing with a session bankroll of 22 units to cover two complete grand marti 1-3-7 failures.  I ended with 26 after the two busts.  Not the worst thing I have ever encountered by a long shot.

[Colbster]

OK - Here is where I am at on this system (Apologies to both Ego and GLC for jumping into a post that clearly is meant for George, but what can I say?)

My understanding of the bet selection is this:

Track for 4 spins

Compare the most recent spin to the 4th back spin.

If they are the same (Both Red, both High, both Even, whatever you choose), bet the next 3 spins that they will also be the same using a grand martingale (1-3-7).  If they are different (Red v. black, High v. Low, etc.), bet that the next 3 spins will be the opposite using the same progression.

After a win, re-track 1 spin and compare to the 4th back spin to determine the next bets.

After losing three spins consecutively, you have your first bust.

I am starting with a bankroll for the session of 22 units, which will cover two complete immediate busts.

If you win initially to a new bankroll of 33 units (after a total of 11 bets), you move your bets up to a two unit grand Marti (2-6-14) to increase potential winnings.

Always after a first bust, you will move to the 1-3-7 grand Marti and your 2nd 11 unit bankroll to recover back to 22.  If you recover to 22, end the session as a break even.  If you bust again, take the loss and pocket whatever chips you have from previous winnings to offset, meaning that you should rarely, if ever, actually lose all 22 units.

I'm fuzzy on win goal to end a session, so thoughts would be great.  If you hold at the 2 units and move your session up to 44 units, you now have a full 2 unit bankroll with 22 available for the recovery after the first bust back to 44.  I'm guessing that is the point where I call it a session and reset, but that isn't for sure yet.

I think this method would do exceptionally well with VLS' 50% Money Management system (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=115.msg568#msg568).  The lifetime bankroll of 3 session bankrolls would require a total of 66 units to work with what I consider the finest money management system I have ever read.

[buffalowizard]

I like the sound of this Colbster

Keep us posted as to your tests/results

Cheers

[vladir]

It sounds nice in theory... why a grand marty and not a simple marty?

[Turner]

Is it prudent to suggest that there is always a same bet, and opposite isnt needed by changing your EC to suit?
13,12,22,19 odd is same
12,36,35,1  low is same
22, 5,6,19   high is same,
14, 33,33, 16 red, low and even are same.

Theres always a same bet???

[Colbster]

Maybe an example will clarify what I mean

RRBRBBRBRBBR

The first 4 RRBR are the tracking spins.  #1 and #4 match, so we will bet that #2, #3, and #4 will successively match #5, #6, and #7.  Our bets would be RBR, matching spins 2,3,4.  Spin 5 is black so we lose the first bet.  Spin 6 is also black, which was our 3-unit bet, so we are up 2 units and this bet wins and we retrack 1 spin.  Spin 7 is R which matches spin 4, so we bet again for a repeat of the next 3 spins: BBR.  Spin 8 is black and we win 1 unit and retrack 1 spin, getting R on spin 9.  This is opposite spin 6, so we bet the next 3 will be opposite the corresponding spins, 7,8, and 9.  BRB came up on 7,8, and 9, so our bet selection will be RBR.  We lose on spin 10, win 2 units on spin 11 (Total +5) and retrack 1 spin on spin 12.  We get red which is the same as spin 9, so our next 3 bets (until we win or lose) will be BBR.

Grand marti, regular marti, eh?  Whatever floats your boat.

[Colbster]

Sorry for the delay - work has been insane! 

First test - BV NZ
40 Spins
Starting bankroll - 22
Ending bankroll - 45

+23 units

Never went past 2nd bet of 3 units, no busts

[Colbster]

2nd Test -  Stinkeroo!!

Lost both 3-step progression back to back.

Starting bankroll - 22
Ending bankroll - 4
Net -18 units

[Colbster]

3rd Test

25 spins
Start bankroll 22 units
End bankroll 22 units

Had a bust, recovered with no problems but a couple 3rd step bets on the recovery.

[Colbster]

Just re-read my own rules for the money management and found out that I screwed up the first test

I never moved my bets up to a 2-6-14 level once I hit 33.  Had I done so, I would have gained another 12, meaning I would have ended at 57 units, up 35 

Too hard to keep up with the thoughts in my own head sometimes!

[Colbster]

Test 4

Followed the rules this time 

Starting bankroll 22
Ending bankroll 22
Break even session

I got up to the higher stakes before busting out.  Having already won some units from the first progression, it was an easy few spins to recovery with the backup 11.  Not sure where to step out.  I think the 2 wins, which would bring us to 55 units (+33) is the right place.  We will certainly have several breakevens along the way, but I think the +33 will offset the -22 as we move forward.

[malcop]

OK - Here is where I am at on this system (Apologies to both Ego and GLC for jumping into a post that clearly is meant for George, but what can I say?)

My understanding of the bet selection is this:

Track for 4 spins

Compare the most recent spin to the 4th back spin.

If they are the same (Both Red, both High, both Even, whatever you choose), bet the next 3 spins that they will also be the same using a grand martingale (1-3-7).  If they are different (Red v. black, High v. Low, etc.), bet that the next 3 spins will be the opposite using the same progression.

After a win, re-track 1 spin and compare to the 4th back spin to determine the next bets.

After losing three spins consecutively, you have your first bust.

I am starting with a bankroll for the session of 22 units, which will cover two complete immediate busts.

If you win initially to a new bankroll of 33 units (after a total of 11 bets), you move your bets up to a two unit grand Marti (2-6-14) to increase potential winnings.

Always after a first bust, you will move to the 1-3-7 grand Marti and your 2nd 11 unit bankroll to recover back to 22.  If you recover to 22, end the session as a break even.  If you bust again, take the loss and pocket whatever chips you have from previous winnings to offset, meaning that you should rarely, if ever, actually lose all 22 units.

I'm fuzzy on win goal to end a session, so thoughts would be great.  If you hold at the 2 units and move your session up to 44 units, you now have a full 2 unit bankroll with 22 available for the recovery after the first bust back to 44.  I'm guessing that is the point where I call it a session and reset, but that isn't for sure yet.

I think this method would do exceptionally well with VLS' 50% Money Management system (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=115.msg568#msg568).  The lifetime bankroll of 3 session bankrolls would require a total of 66 units to work with what I consider the finest money management system I have ever read.

Am I losing the plot!  What you are proposing is the total opposite of Ego's original post, in his post he says bet against an event, not with it.

If I am wrong in my observations then I apologies in advance.